A couple of notes for this design: 1) The half pipes need caps either side to stop the wind escaping the "sails" 2) You need to reduce the weight of the moving carriage quite a bit. Steel is heavy and will increase the friction of the system. 3) Place weights on the back of the half pipes (for inertia, making it more efficient in inconsistant weather) 4) Modify the geometry of the half pipes to add a flat angle of around 30-60 degrees to reduce drag. (facing outwards) 5) Try using materials with a lower friction co-efficient, like Teflon or oiled metal at the point of contact on the rotating carriage.
What about modifying the blades to a design that involves two haves on a hinge with a light spring action to keep them open when hit by the wind,and allowing them to close, reducing drag when facing away from the wind. Thoughts?
Even with optimal blades, vertical axis turbines usually turn slower than horizontal ones. They usually use a belt and pulley system to increase the generator speed. You could use a planetary gear set. It would be more compact, but probably noisier.
use an odd number of blades, 3 or 5, and shorten the arms they are mounted on by 1/3 of the original length. that should increase rpm, and reduce drag force by keeping the blade faces asymmetrical to the blade backs....great video, earned a new sub👍!
It seems the odd number of blades should not be directly opposite each other. Try 3 blades 120 degrees apart. Look at the 5 blade pattern on the hoverboard wheel at 0:54
would the F P direct drive washing motors and others of the same design put out way more wattage if so how much wattage i have hear up to 1500 watts i know noneya business will give us facts!
@@ambersmith6517 I believe you are referring to DC treadmill motors? If so, then yes, the typical treadmill motor is "RATED" 2-3 hp. (1hp=746 watts) that is the consumption rating of the motor, at a given voltage, rpm, and load. when used as a generator, these motors are much more inefficient, so 700-900 watts would be about as much as you would see from the motor terminals. Bear in mind, you have to apply 1500-2200 watts of mechanical power into the motor to realize that 700-900 watts output, so your blades, and gearing into said motor has to be able to source this power from a given wind velocity the turbine is designed for. hence the "slippery slope" of physics strikes again....
Dear DIY KIng, Your version of DIY Vertical Axis Wind Turbine is so simple and straight forward. Your video is fully informative with crisp and exact practicals. The video itself has been recorded in a crystal clear manner. Thanks a lot for this.
Nice, practical project. Very well executed. I really like that you drill and tap, and don’t rely on flimsy hot glue and CA to “tack” stuff together. This is a well engineered project that would have a reasonable chance of some longevity against the environment. Keep up the great projects!
well said, as American inventor Thomas Edison (he invented the incandescent light bulb) noted, ''inventions are 10 percent Inspiration 90 percent Perspiration''
@@benscoles5085 Slight correction there: He didn't actually invent the light bulb. He made the incandescent bulb practical by finding a usable filament material that would allow the bulbs it to survive for a reasonable service life.
Great attempt!!! However, I see a problem in bearing configuration. It’s not only the air drag that is slowing it down, but good amount of friction at bearings. The hoverboard motor bearings are radial bearings. They are meant for motor orientation on horizontal axle. But if you place the motor vertically, the bearings will not be able to arrest the vertical slip of the axle, and finally the stator will press on the rotor, causing enormous friction and rapid wear. You need to replace the radial bearings with thrust bearings so that the rotor (casing) is suspended over stator be those bearings, bringing down friction drastically.
I also tried building a vertical axis windmill but after I left my prototype out for a night for a test drive, I noticed the same problem with the bearings. After that I discarded the idea of vertical axis with hub motors.
Another factor to consider is the size of the blades. With a horizontal axis, the bigger the blade the more higher speed stresses the axis. with a horizontal, the blades are always the same distance, no matter how big you make them. The blades you used looked to be about 2 feet long. Had you made them 5 foot, the speed would be the same, but the torque would be much greater and having a "transmission" such as using a pulley set with a 1 to 10 ratio would result in the generator turning much faster, thus generating a lot more power.
I was just about to post this same thing...From experience as well...great thing about PI is that a pulley just a few sizes up is a lot larger, so 1X around it can turn a smaller pulley many times... I have mine turning 2 generator assemblies just fine.
Just a suggestion. You should use active rectification, do reduce the voltage drop, instead of using diodes / bridge rectifier. The diodes do perform poorly at low voltages, dropping substantial amount of voltages, and dissipating as heat. The better approach for low voltages is to use active rectifier with low R_DS(on) mosfets and active rectifier IC (available from various manufacturers for both 1 and 3 phase applications), which can bring down losses almost to zero. The active PFC rectifiers are a subject of the ongoing research, but there is a lot of very good solutions already available. Granted, non of these advanced PFC methods are really needed here, as this is a low power project, and losses are not that important, but for big applications, the PFC is important, to reduce losses, and also smooth out the current (so there are no vibrations in the generator due to changing "load") Otherwise good attempt at the build! You need to change the shape of blades to make it really work.
Dave below, mentioned that this turbine style is most suited for consistent power generation versus min-max like the classic style and lots have given ways of improving them; building the blades from a different material would be my first choice. One of the big advantages to this one is noise- or lack thereof. I've been around commercial 3-blade turbines during tornado weather and they HOWL.
I have been thinking of this type generator a lot lately. In about 1960 my Dad took me out to a remote natural gas compressor station. In those days, they were staffed 24/7 and the staff lived right at the station with their families. This station is in a very windy area. In spare time, the crew used an axle from a junk truck . One end they welded a playground merry go round and the power from half oil barrels similar to the half pvc pipes used in this video. When the wind blew strong, the thing woould go around way faster than we could stay on it. They had incorporated a clutch to stop or slow the merry go round and had another way to disengage the arms when the wind got to blowing too hard. Say, over 50 knots...
Your vertical windmill as no flaw, your design is almost excellent your just need to change the pitch of your blade and maybe change your blade for bigger one. Faster you want your windmill run , bigger the pitch of your blade as to be ( with less restrictions to the wind ), in that way you will have less torque but more RPM. Your design is made for high torque , no high RPM. KEEP GOING MY FRIEND, YOU ARE ON THE GOOD WAY.
@@patrickservidio2400 read what I just posted it may help in your experiments. however wind generators are fun and do give you power, if you want to experiment with some other power generating methods see skinner gravity power machine, and Milkovic oscillator. they are gravity harvesting machines, no wind needed. however you could use wind to operate them.
impressed with the equipment you got in your workshop. It has to be an industrial workshop. There's is nothing "DIY" about it since majority of us are not able to replicate this. Especially metal working.
My points are (1) Reduce the No of blades to 5 only (2) Do not mount the blades from the center of curve , mount it nearer to the edge (3) need to edge the side profile of blades for better aerodynamics (4) Extended more arm length & use PVC pipe instead of M.S sq. pipe Thanks & best Luck !
The length of the square tubes connecting the blades to the motor is long, this cause the RPM to be less as compared to if the the length would have been shorter.
However, a longer length gives higher torque, so it should be possible to get higher power outputs with the vertical axis design. The problem also is the weight of the square tubing. But this video demonstrates quite clearly the comparison between horizontal and vertical axis designs.
I think those parts you attached is little heavy.also change your alternator because its made for electric bike .this alternator is very heavy that's why can't generate proper volt.
IIRC, commercial vertical axis wind turbines use blades that work a bit like aerofoils to increase the percentage of the rotation that's capturing energy. At the minute, these "Cupped" blades are only really catching the full energy of the wind for at most a 1/3rd of the rotation. The other 2/3rds of the rotation the blades are either in turbulent air from other blades moving in front of them, or creating drag due to moving directly against airflow. An interesting experiment (assuming you still have this turbine (I just noticed this video was uploaded 3 years ago).), would be to redesign each blade mount slightly to allow them to be tilted so you could see how that affected the output. It's hard to describe what I mean by "Tilted", but at the minute the front straight edges of the cupped blades are both in line with the arms. I'm on about rotating the blades so they're still vertical, but the outer straight edge is further forward than the inner straight edge, or to put it another way, having the mounting holes in the blades moved sideways so they have more of their surface on the outboard side of the mount than the inboard side (God I with UA-cam allowed us to post doodles, or even links to doodles, in the comments. It would make explaining this sort of thing so much easier. 😕 ). If the blade mounts angle was adjustable it would allow the setup to be tweaked to see if changing how the blades present to the wind could effect power output.
Correct. The 'blades' should be wings that will create lift when flying into the wind. Centre of lift vector points away from axis and is offset to wing point of fixture
The blades should be wings not cups. The force comes mostly from the blades parallel with the wind not the ones perpendicular to the wind. The blades should have undercamber and should be symmetrical front to back. Your blades simply have to much camber for the wind speeds you are trying to harvest.
From my understanding of VAWG they spin nearly the same speed regardless of wind speed, their benefit is being able to generate constant power in variable wind conditions and being able to continue running when wind speeds are too high for HAWG. Perhaps you just need to redesign it to make the motor spin faster, either shortening the arms as suggested by @Trent Pettyjohn or with some gearing?
That looks remarkably like the vertical wind turbine we built in college after the first oil shortage in 1973. It was a lot of fun and every university was doing it. I'm glad they're still around.
I don't subscribe to many channels, but your videos are easy to follow and honest, also very good/clean shots with your camera! I have just subscribed.
I think the issue is with Ur light weight blades vs. Heavy metal centre. Also pvc is flexible and u wasted a lot of wind power right there. If I were u then will try to make blades with heavier material to compensate the central heavy weight or a bit heavier than centre metal weight attached with hovar board motor. Also increase the size (length and width) of Ur blades will make big difference. Anyways excellent video. I have seen many of Ur videos. Good work there u have done. I wish more پاکستانی turn technology savy like u rather than just social media bugs...
Would a sailboat go faster with a sail made of metal?? What about a helicopter with a rotor made of lead? Of course not. Heavier blades on the turbine increases it's inertia. Meaning it will be slower to spool up to speed, and become inefficient due to the fact that inconsistent gusts of wind would not be enough to turn the turbine to produce any significant power. Therefore, the blades need to be light as possible. Aerodynamics and efficiency of the blades is key.
The resistance in vertical model is a blessing in disguise.. Yes it'll produce less energy. But it prevents the turbine from spinning too fast leading the motor exploding, Which is a drawback of horizontal model. You can integrate a solar panels on top of vertical model or place 2,3,4 veritcal models on roof top which can survive stronger winds.
This is actually a turbine using drag force to rotate. Lot of scientists saying yeah kar lo woh karo but in reality drag turbine are not efficient as the turbine which uses life force. The reason is because it also create drag force in opposite direction. The swept area of turbine is good but its also letting lot of air passing by without converting into energy. If you put smaller size wing inside of bigger wings they will help to convert more wind into power and will also help to start on low wind speed. Numbers of wings should be odd as industry standard but should not be less then 5 for drag turbine. You also should also test with different wing configuration. Numbers, length and width of wings. width of wings can be increased .I always recommend my students to Study little science before making any product. Overall good work
Decrease the length of the arms holding the blades. The shorter you make them the faster it should spin. On the other hand make them longer for more torque.
LOL About 6 month back I purchase two of these motor set with this same Idea in mind. Horizontal version. When I have a shed to do the work ( Soon ) I'll get back on it. Only sorta difficult issue is drilling the Face of the Motor case. No Press I would be doing it by hand.
You should make a gearbox, the new design provides a constant rotation but at a slow speed, so put a flywheel to help with momentum and a gearbox that converts the high torque low spin into high speed for the motor
Flywheel?! Are u kidding? Never use a flywheel for wind power. The gearbox makes sense but won’t be efficient. It’s better to reduce the blade distance from the shaft to increase rpm.
The vertical axis (VA) wind turbine was being developed by Dr Peter Musgrave at the University of Reading, UK. This was during the 1970's. His design also had a feathering feature to stop the blades spinning too fast in a high wind. The main advantage to the VA turbine is the heavy generator can be at ground level, thus reducing a need for a really strong tower to support it at the top.
What a load of nonesense, wind turbine were used by the ancient Egyptians to grind grains and possible well before their time stop associating UK history
Hey! I have some suggestions - 1. Using a motor with lower rated rpm might work. 2. Using step up transformer might help. 3. Longer blades might make it more powerful. 4. Placing blades nearer to the center will increase angular velocity of the wind and thus, the rpm too. By the way, I still think the vertical axis system is better due to less moving parts.
I just made some calculations regarding angular velocity of wind and now I believe that one cannot get high rpm in vertical axis turbines, but I think the torque must be high. You should either use different alternator for this project or use a gearbox.
Well this generator is useful for constant voltage.. and constant power supply. It will rotate with constant speed even in low wind condition. Well nice project. Keep it up.
I've always thought of putting a wind shield on the backside to reduce drag and put a tail on it so it always points the right way. What do you think? Can you give it a try since you're 70 percent there? Good work. Thumbs up.
CHM, a tail will only be beneficial on a system similar to a windmill in order to orient the vanes/rotors/propellers into the prevailing wind - this system is vertically oriented so does not rely on the winds direction, only the fact that it will spin regardless of which direction the wind comes from. Also, what are you referring to when you said "windshield" since anything else will cause undue parasitic drag on the system.
@@larrywhalen127 Larry, I just left a full post about the same concept 5 minutes ago. A "windshield" could be a half cylinder lowered over the whole blade assembly. It seems that even cupped the back sides of the blades are loosing momentum in the system by fighting against the same wind which is propelling them 180 degrees around the device. If the wind could be shielded on the back or return side, then this continued drag on the system would be eliminated. Please see my full post for more details on such a setup.
@@Songer80 Hi CHM, I need to see a picture or a sketch to understand what is being referred to as a windshield, but in 1984 when I was still with STITS (aircraft) I modified several powered hanggliders (ultralights) which had standard single surface wings, with a "modified" Clark Y airfoil which is a two surface airfoil which increased their L/D (glide ratio) from 8:1 to at least 12:1 or 14:1 - meaning at 1,000 ' AGL they were now gliding 14,000 ' instead of 8,000 '. Although single surface airfoils are a step up from a 'flat plate' similar to the 10 cent balsa gliders we had as kids, they still create a good deal of parasitic drag, which is the nature of the beast. The best way to eliminate adverse drag in this situation would be to cut a thin, flat (1/8") piece of the same material (PVC ?) and glue it to the concave side of the blade, and then sealing the opening at the tip, which will result in additional rpm and therefore more energy produced.
@@vincetalkz Hi Vince, if you can check out my comment to Chefhomesteadmaker you will see a solution which I utilized in 1984 for several powered ultralights which used single surface airfoils - basically I modified the wings with a two surfaced, "modified" Clark Y airfoil which increased their efficiency by reducing the amount of drag created by the single surface airfoil itself.
Hi Bro, I am from India, I want to make wind turbine at my agriculture field. I do not have much mechanical knowledge. Can you help me in designing vertical wind turbine?
Very good video bhai saaab! Its not everyday that we say an Indian DIY youtuber with such high production quality and good knowledge of metalworking. Keep it up bro! Subscribed!
Neat project! I have a couple suggestions. One. The flat brackets may be less resistant on the curved side of the blade. The other I always wanted to try. Have a sheild that moves with a vane to keep wind off the back sides of the blade. I am curious how much it would effect it. You could go a step further and use it to direct more wind to the working side. 🤔
Great Project. Can I ask you to due an experiment? The experiment is miniaturize it in America we use dryers to dry our cloths. Make that turbine small enough to fit in the exhaust hose and harvest that energy. We also use ac units to cool our homes. A large fan outside is used to blow air across the cooling tunes. Build a turbine over the cooler to harvest that energy.
If you use a vertical Savonius turbine, I found by design that using two halves cut from a 200L drum and mount them onto the vertical shaft. Then make a large wing (side view) big enough to cover one half of the drums. Make the leading edge and dihedral large enough to allow the wind to cause a vacuum on the lift side. Only one half of the drum will be in the air stream on the high speed side. Use the vacuum from the "lift" to help the half of the drum inside the wing shape to spin towards the leading edge. Make a tail long enough to keep the leading edge into the wind. Mount the "wing" onto the vertical shaft. You can make the tail able to make the leading edge rotate away from the wind stream. Using the vacuum from the lift side should give you a 10% increase in power. Remember who gave you this and quote my name. Where I live, the Spring and Summer South Westerlies average 20 knots from approx. 1330 to 2000.
Repurpose your vertical axis wind generator into a horizontal tip the blades like the other fan and your efficiency should come up as it is in the other wind generator but you'll have more surface space. And all of your work and machining you done to make this will be more useful to you. You'll probably have less drag and all your blades. That was pretty neat demonstration.
I would really like to see this setup improved. Things I would change: the tubes that secure the blades could be shorter and fixed horizontally. Smaler blades, and in less number. Great job guys.
Savonius is a low speed purpose turbine. It has a narrow range of workload and now a particularly high efficiency. HOWEVER, it is a robust, cheap and easy to maintain turbine. The best thing about it is that it start at almost no wind, so you can make a lot of electricity for low power applications. Its prowess is in its consistency. ;)
I don't know if someone already pointed this, but I'll do it anyway. It strikes me the difference between your "good" generator (horizontal axle) and the new one: surface area! A little bit of mechanics will tell you that the power you can get from a wind turbine is always proportional to it's area, and you can easily check your vertical is about a tenth of the horizontal one. Remember your vertical can only count on ONE blade at a time, whereas your horizontal as the THREE blades allways facing wind. Bottom line: I believe it's a good project, but blades have to be bigger. Also, as a side note, I believe you should mind the balance: maybe the rotor is not balanced, and there will be some friction drag ruinning the efficiency. Good luck. Thank you for the movie.
Excellent video and engineering skills guys , very instructive , informative and educational , Just two items i would like to draw your attention to . the drilling of any metal piece is safer when held in a suitable hand vice ,less chance of causing major damage to fingers and tendons should anything go wrong , Secondly when working with a disk cutter goggles are a must please protect your eyes ,we have two only . other then that a brilliant video ,great for teaching purpose , many thanks
Hello, nice project, thanks for sharing. To get a much better result with the current design, you just need to split the windings and reconnect them in series. 6:32 every coil of your wheel consists of five parallel wires per winding. Just split and connect them in series. End of the first wire to the start of the second. And so on for every winding. This will multiple (x5) the output voltage and significantly increase output power at low RPMs. Next two improvements are optional, as they need more extensive revision. - It seems that it makes no sense to make more than three blades, more blades also reduces speed. - And also a significant increase in productivity will be the creation of a full-fledged Darrieus rotor, but for this it is necessary to replace the halves of the pipes with a NACA0018 profile wing.
Great video. Unfortunately you used blades that will be limited to the speed of the wind. Ideally use aerofoil type blades this will allow the turbine to turn at a rate faster than the wind speed and therefore generator more power. It could also be that the generator is a little heavy for the current blade design to turn.
Windage ( the problem of the return stroke ) was the same problem ( ok ok ignore the water ) , with paddle steamers ( and boat rowing ) , there was a steamer ( Reliance ) which furled the blade on the return stroke to help reduce losses .
You don’t need a directional tail. That’s the main plus if the vertical designs. It doesn’t matter which way the wind is blowing. They need to work on the design of the drag side of the blades
I agree with Ed. the vertical axis wind turbine model exists for boats, and they use a fairly short radius, adding more blades, and using an axis to stabilize the arms, with bearings following the shape of a cylinder. this design showed to be stable and avoid overcharging since it creates a stable momentum, good luck improving it, looking forward to your results
Agreed. The lighter the turbine weight, the lower the wind speed it will begin spinning/ generating power. Plus a higher surface to wieght ratio with the windvanes..just a bit too heavy..
Great knowledge I don't have any technical knowledge about this, but likes it very much and would like to experiment such things. I have got a 750 watts producing kerosene genset. I would like to know is it possible to use that generator (dismantling from kerosene engine) to convert it wind turbine generator? Since it has output panel, I think it's possible with minimal modification. If possible please upload a video on that.
I too thought this, but I suppose it is to convey high energy in what would otherwise be mostly silent periods of the building process. Perhaps a narrative explaining the design choices would have been better. Having said that, if you say everything in the video it cuts down the number of comments and doesn't help the algorithm. :) Nice videography, but then that's the advantage of having a second person.
Magnificent project, A suggestion, could you make a workbench, ? it is much more comfortable to work standing up than lying on the floor, I think it is a custom of your country that I don't quite understand, knowing that you have the mechanical means to do it.
Hi...really appreciate the effort and knowledge,just a small suggestion. Reduce the length of the arms.This will increase the rpm. YES, this will require more torque(higher wind speed) .I am sure you cN strike a fine balance between the two. Again,I love the concept
Very Good Attempt👌👍👏 You may adopt following 2 vital points for VAWT: (1) Better use odd number of blades (instead of 6 use 7 nos) (2) If feasible increase the Radius (3) try to make 3 or 4 number of blades from the pipe May be you will get better output.
As was said below, odd numbered blades are more efficient. another thing that will increase efficiently is to figure a way to block 1/2 of the turbine so there is less resistance, no wind pushing back on the blades.
i'm about to set off on the same project as an ME. and i'm a little surprised how low the output is compared to generators i've bought from amazon for 200$ for my sailboat, and that's understanding the number of poles and windings of wire on each pole. From an estimated guess the motors just want more rpm (i'd love to bench test with the pair i have, and i will probably jerry rig something with variable speed to test with that can go faster than a drill) with some rpm data ill make a gear box of some sort (doesn't matter horizontal or vertical) but my guess is without too much engineering these motors can probably put out 500w without a lot of fuss... if i manage to get a decent data curve ill dm it to you
you have just saved me £500 ukp. i was about to blow it on the lantern type generators. Thankyou. Subscriber now and patreon to be. bless you my friend :)
@DIYKing The VAWT blade design you used operates differently than the propeller type. VAWT blades require VAWT turbines. What is the difference? VAWT blades function well in the low rpm range, 300rpm to 800rpm. Therefore, dynamo design must include peak power output near the upper rpm limit of the VAWT blade design. Check out Gliders flying in vertical updrafts in a circular pattern. Every time the Glider enters the updraft it picks up momentum, increasing velocity beyond what it can achieve outside of the updraft.
The chief advantage of vertical axis wind generator is ease of maintenance. This occurs when you arrange the parts correctly in the first place. You should have put the motor and everything else at the base of the turbine, at ground level. The only thing at the top of the assembly should have been the blades which connect via a long shaft to all the other parts below, at ground level.
it is incredible how good you keep your recording and creating stuff.. some of freedome like put this in roof is payed by price.. but anyway.. nice job keep going.. king in the name is worthy..
Try using aluminum sleeves and reduce the sleeves length by 25 - 30% of current length, make the wings more scoop like, right now they're letting too much air out. Keep it up, you're doing good.
I like that you tested both and told us your results so that we all dont have to reinvent the windmill. How do you protect the motor from water, or is that a concern where you are//
Rewire the motor poles from parallel into series. It doesn't take much time, you'll get a much higher voltage at lower RPM. There are a bunch of videos online how to do this, it's worth it.
Hello. I have a POTENTIAL SOLUTION to the problem of the back side of the blades having to fight against the wind speed. I have thought about this for years regarding a below mentioned design, but never built a model to work through it. Possibly you guys could try it. It seems that shielding the back side of the blades might help out much. This could be done by lowering a large partial cylinder over the entire blade assembly with half of the cylinder cut away. The cut away portion of the cylinder would be situated on the side of the blade assembly that is catching wind, while the back side of the blades would travel through an area shielded from the wind and negating this drag force that is limiting the power output with your current design. The large cylinder would of course have to be mounted on a carousel to enable its rotation to adjust for wind direction. This could be done passively with a wind vane above the whole device connected to the cylinder accordingly. There would have to be ample clearance between the blades and the cylinder to ensure their free flow through the shielded side without any compressive force developing as the blades enter this zone, as the compressive force could lead to vibrational issues, this aside from continued drag on the blades. I have thought about this concept in the form of a series of horizontally mounted blade assemblies on the top ridges of residential roofs with only the "air catching" sides of the blades exposed while the return path of the blades is shielded in a housing. Although these are unidirectional, there are plenty of regions with a predominant wind direction for large portions of the year that could utilize such stationary power generating devices.
Mount the vertical blades in such a manner that each blade can pivot freely about a vertical axis. Provide a stop in each direction to prevent momentum from causing them to spin too far. This design eliminates the drag as all blade cups will remain oriented to catch the wind as the turbine spins.
Good engineering,, id like to know what people do with the power after its made by the wind turbines, does it just charge batteries or is it used directly somewhere
Keep the horizontal running and erect a separate pole behind that to harness the wind from that to run the vertical axis just behind that horizontal wind turbine for testing purpose only. This may help increase the wind flow to the vertical axis and you will be able to use the wind generated by other. Just curious is this works.
A couple of notes for this design:
1) The half pipes need caps either side to stop the wind escaping the "sails"
2) You need to reduce the weight of the moving carriage quite a bit. Steel is heavy and will increase the friction of the system.
3) Place weights on the back of the half pipes (for inertia, making it more efficient in inconsistant weather)
4) Modify the geometry of the half pipes to add a flat angle of around 30-60 degrees to reduce drag. (facing outwards)
5) Try using materials with a lower friction co-efficient, like Teflon or oiled metal at the point of contact on the rotating carriage.
What about modifying the blades to a design that involves two haves on a hinge with a light spring action to keep them open when hit by the wind,and allowing them to close, reducing drag when facing away from the wind. Thoughts?
I agree, putting in the caps will help, but also using some neodymium magnets to push the plate up to reduce the friction would also be of great help.
Even with optimal blades, vertical axis turbines usually turn slower than horizontal ones. They usually use a belt and pulley system to increase the generator speed. You could use a planetary gear set. It would be more compact, but probably noisier.
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use an odd number of blades, 3 or 5, and shorten the arms they are mounted on by 1/3 of the original length. that should increase rpm, and reduce drag force by keeping the blade faces asymmetrical to the blade backs....great video, earned a new sub👍!
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It seems the odd number of blades should not be directly opposite each other. Try 3 blades 120 degrees apart. Look at the 5 blade pattern on the hoverboard wheel at 0:54
Yes This is actually the case. Please try a 5 blade version.
would the F P direct drive washing motors and others of the same design put out way more wattage if so how much wattage i have hear up to 1500 watts i know noneya business will give us facts!
@@ambersmith6517
I believe you are referring to DC treadmill motors? If so, then yes, the typical treadmill motor is "RATED" 2-3 hp. (1hp=746 watts) that is the consumption rating of the motor, at a given voltage, rpm, and load. when used as a generator, these motors are much more inefficient, so 700-900 watts would be about as much as you would see from the motor terminals. Bear in mind, you have to apply 1500-2200 watts of mechanical power into the motor to realize that 700-900 watts output, so your blades, and gearing into said motor has to be able to source this power from a given wind velocity the turbine is designed for. hence the "slippery slope" of physics strikes again....
Dear DIY KIng,
Your version of DIY Vertical Axis Wind Turbine is so simple and straight forward.
Your video is fully informative with crisp and exact practicals.
The video itself has been recorded in a crystal clear manner.
Thanks a lot for this.
Nice, practical project. Very well executed. I really like that you drill and tap, and don’t rely on flimsy hot glue and CA to “tack” stuff together. This is a well engineered project that would have a reasonable chance of some longevity against the environment. Keep up the great projects!
good one brother keep it up
it's not a failure , just the lesson
so never give up with your new ideas
well said, as American inventor Thomas Edison (he invented the incandescent light bulb) noted, ''inventions are 10 percent Inspiration 90 percent Perspiration''
@@benscoles5085 Slight correction there: He didn't actually invent the light bulb. He made the incandescent bulb practical by finding a usable filament material that would allow the bulbs it to survive for a reasonable service life.
Great attempt!!!
However, I see a problem in bearing configuration. It’s not only the air drag that is slowing it down, but good amount of friction at bearings.
The hoverboard motor bearings are radial bearings. They are meant for motor orientation on horizontal axle. But if you place the motor vertically, the bearings will not be able to arrest the vertical slip of the axle, and finally the stator will press on the rotor, causing enormous friction and rapid wear. You need to replace the radial bearings with thrust bearings so that the rotor (casing) is suspended over stator be those bearings, bringing down friction drastically.
I also tried building a vertical axis windmill but after I left my prototype out for a night for a test drive, I noticed the same problem with the bearings. After that I discarded the idea of vertical axis with hub motors.
Can you have chain and gear to increase speed
Another factor to consider is the size of the blades. With a horizontal axis, the bigger the blade the more higher speed stresses the axis. with a horizontal, the blades are always the same distance, no matter how big you make them. The blades you used looked to be about 2 feet long. Had you made them 5 foot, the speed would be the same, but the torque would be much greater and having a "transmission" such as using a pulley set with a 1 to 10 ratio would result in the generator turning much faster, thus generating a lot more power.
I was just about to post this same thing...From experience as well...great thing about PI is that a pulley just a few sizes up is a lot larger, so 1X around it can turn a smaller pulley many times... I have mine turning 2 generator assemblies just fine.
cleanliness, precision and attention to detail. Beautiful job
Just a suggestion. You should use active rectification, do reduce the voltage drop, instead of using diodes / bridge rectifier. The diodes do perform poorly at low voltages, dropping substantial amount of voltages, and dissipating as heat. The better approach for low voltages is to use active rectifier with low R_DS(on) mosfets and active rectifier IC (available from various manufacturers for both 1 and 3 phase applications), which can bring down losses almost to zero. The active PFC rectifiers are a subject of the ongoing research, but there is a lot of very good solutions already available. Granted, non of these advanced PFC methods are really needed here, as this is a low power project, and losses are not that important, but for big applications, the PFC is important, to reduce losses, and also smooth out the current (so there are no vibrations in the generator due to changing "load")
Otherwise good attempt at the build! You need to change the shape of blades to make it really work.
I really like wind generator and want to learn more. Thank you.
Dave below, mentioned that this turbine style is most suited for consistent power generation versus min-max like the classic style and lots have given ways of improving them; building the blades from a different material would be my first choice.
One of the big advantages to this one is noise- or lack thereof. I've been around commercial 3-blade turbines during tornado weather and they HOWL.
I have been thinking of this type generator a lot lately. In about 1960 my Dad took me out to a remote natural gas compressor station. In those days, they were staffed 24/7 and the staff lived right at the station with their families. This station is in a very windy area. In spare time, the crew used an axle from a junk truck . One end they welded a playground merry go round and the power from half oil barrels similar to the half pvc pipes used in this video. When the wind blew strong, the thing woould go around way faster than we could stay on it.
They had incorporated a clutch to stop or slow the merry go round and had another way to disengage the arms when the wind got to blowing too hard. Say, over 50 knots...
Thanks for showing simple yet accurate way of drilling holes with a paper template 👍
Your vertical windmill as no flaw, your design is almost excellent your just need to change the pitch of your blade and maybe change your blade for bigger one. Faster you want your windmill run , bigger the pitch of your blade as to be ( with less restrictions to the wind ), in that way you will have less torque but more RPM. Your design is made for high torque , no high RPM. KEEP GOING MY FRIEND, YOU ARE ON THE GOOD WAY.
nice project keep up The most important thing is experience
Me , i would keep the blades as they are but i would separate the hub motor and use pulleys or chain and gears and gear up the hub motor
I am very interested in the concept of vertical motion
Generator! !
Please send me more information on this
Thank You
@@patrickservidio2400 read what I just posted it may help in your experiments. however wind generators are fun and do give you power, if you want to experiment with some other power generating methods see skinner gravity power machine, and Milkovic oscillator. they are gravity harvesting machines, no wind needed. however you could use wind to operate them.
impressed with the equipment you got in your workshop.
It has to be an industrial workshop.
There's is nothing "DIY" about it since majority of us are not able to replicate this. Especially metal working.
My points are (1) Reduce the No of blades to 5 only (2) Do not mount the blades from the center of curve , mount it nearer to the edge (3) need to edge the side profile of blades for better aerodynamics (4) Extended more arm length & use PVC pipe instead of M.S sq. pipe Thanks & best Luck !
Thank you so very much for confirming my suspicion about the wind drag on the vertical vs the horizontal turbine I am considering building.
Clean build man! Probably one of the cleanest looking DIY builds I have seen. On UA-cam!! Cool to watch the machine work as well.
Dude!.. you're awesome. India needs more out of the box thinkers like you.
The length of the square tubes connecting the blades to the motor is long, this cause the RPM to be less as compared to if the the length would have been shorter.
However, a longer length gives higher torque, so it should be possible to get higher power outputs with the vertical axis design. The problem also is the weight of the square tubing. But this video demonstrates quite clearly the comparison between horizontal and vertical axis designs.
I think those parts you attached is little heavy.also change your alternator because its made for electric bike .this alternator is very heavy that's why can't generate proper volt.
what is the cost of this &how many wat its given
@@YARU4788 its just a pmdc motor bro, not a specified alternator
Better use aluminum this could work fine and try to use gears or v belt
IIRC, commercial vertical axis wind turbines use blades that work a bit like aerofoils to increase the percentage of the rotation that's capturing energy. At the minute, these "Cupped" blades are only really catching the full energy of the wind for at most a 1/3rd of the rotation. The other 2/3rds of the rotation the blades are either in turbulent air from other blades moving in front of them, or creating drag due to moving directly against airflow.
An interesting experiment (assuming you still have this turbine (I just noticed this video was uploaded 3 years ago).), would be to redesign each blade mount slightly to allow them to be tilted so you could see how that affected the output. It's hard to describe what I mean by "Tilted", but at the minute the front straight edges of the cupped blades are both in line with the arms. I'm on about rotating the blades so they're still vertical, but the outer straight edge is further forward than the inner straight edge, or to put it another way, having the mounting holes in the blades moved sideways so they have more of their surface on the outboard side of the mount than the inboard side (God I with UA-cam allowed us to post doodles, or even links to doodles, in the comments. It would make explaining this sort of thing so much easier. 😕 ). If the blade mounts angle was adjustable it would allow the setup to be tweaked to see if changing how the blades present to the wind could effect power output.
Great video. An increase in wing design will change the problem. Use lift to move the wing, not just air pushing the wing.
Correct. The 'blades' should be wings that will create lift when flying into the wind. Centre of lift vector points away from axis and is offset to wing point of fixture
The blades should be wings not cups. The force comes mostly from the blades parallel with the wind not the ones perpendicular to the wind. The blades should have undercamber and should be symmetrical front to back. Your blades simply have to much camber for the wind speeds you are trying to harvest.
Exactly
From my understanding of VAWG they spin nearly the same speed regardless of wind speed, their benefit is being able to generate constant power in variable wind conditions and being able to continue running when wind speeds are too high for HAWG.
Perhaps you just need to redesign it to make the motor spin faster, either shortening the arms as suggested by @Trent Pettyjohn or with some gearing?
in fact they they need a gearbox
with 1:4 ratio in start, so for 1rpm of blade, you will got 4 rpm or generator
or even bigger ration (need test)
That looks remarkably like the vertical wind turbine we built in college after the first oil shortage in 1973. It was a lot of fun and every university was doing it. I'm glad they're still around.
07: 26 I like how you conquer the roof on this specially developed ladder to place your high tech there.
I know right i noticed that too. that ladder does look cool though.
I don't subscribe to many channels, but your videos are easy to follow and honest, also very good/clean shots with your camera! I have just subscribed.
I think the issue is with Ur light weight blades vs. Heavy metal centre. Also pvc is flexible and u wasted a lot of wind power right there. If I were u then will try to make blades with heavier material to compensate the central heavy weight or a bit heavier than centre metal weight attached with hovar board motor. Also increase the size (length and width) of Ur blades will make big difference.
Anyways excellent video. I have seen many of Ur videos. Good work there u have done. I wish more پاکستانی turn technology savy like u rather than just social media bugs...
That seems a smart Idea 😉.
U can increase the amount of blades and length this surely work
Would a sailboat go faster with a sail made of metal?? What about a helicopter with a rotor made of lead? Of course not.
Heavier blades on the turbine increases it's inertia. Meaning it will be slower to spool up to speed, and become inefficient due to the fact that inconsistent gusts of wind would not be enough to turn the turbine to produce any significant power. Therefore, the blades need to be light as possible. Aerodynamics and efficiency of the blades is key.
The resistance in vertical model is a blessing in disguise.. Yes it'll produce less energy. But it prevents the turbine from spinning too fast leading the motor exploding, Which is a drawback of horizontal model. You can integrate a solar panels on top of vertical model or place 2,3,4 veritcal models on roof top which can survive stronger winds.
Man, please wear eye protection when using that angle grinder! Especially with no guard.
Can confirm; metal slivers in eye are *not fun.*
it's India don't worry
@@mantapakabu74 hahah black market is bigger than Americans think.
@@rubyfire9666 Brother it's Pakistan not india he live in Karachi Pakistan
@@matgamers4453 oh ok thanks
This is actually a turbine using drag force to rotate. Lot of scientists saying yeah kar lo woh karo but in reality drag turbine are not efficient as the turbine which uses life force. The reason is because it also create drag force in opposite direction. The swept area of turbine is good but its also letting lot of air passing by without converting into energy. If you put smaller size wing inside of bigger wings they will help to convert more wind into power and will also help to start on low wind speed. Numbers of wings should be odd as industry standard but should not be less then 5 for drag turbine. You also should also test with different wing configuration. Numbers, length and width of wings. width of wings can be increased .I always recommend my students to Study little science before making any product. Overall good work
Decrease the length of the arms holding the blades. The shorter you make them the faster it should spin. On the other hand make them longer for more torque.
LOL About 6 month back I purchase two of these motor set with this same Idea in mind. Horizontal version. When I have a shed to do the work ( Soon ) I'll get back on it. Only sorta difficult issue is drilling the Face of the Motor case. No Press I would be doing it by hand.
You should make a gearbox, the new design provides a constant rotation but at a slow speed, so put a flywheel to help with momentum and a gearbox that converts the high torque low spin into high speed for the motor
yeah this is a good comment. VAWT's are high torque low rpm compared to HAWT's
Flywheel?! Are u kidding? Never use a flywheel for wind power. The gearbox makes sense but won’t be efficient. It’s better to reduce the blade distance from the shaft to increase rpm.
The vertical axis (VA) wind turbine was being developed by Dr Peter Musgrave at the University of Reading, UK. This was during the 1970's. His design also had a feathering feature to stop the blades spinning too fast in a high wind. The main advantage to the VA turbine is the heavy generator can be at ground level, thus reducing a need for a really strong tower to support it at the top.
What a load of nonesense, wind turbine were used by the ancient Egyptians to grind grains and possible well before their time stop associating UK history
music is fine, just make it not-so-loud next time, thank you. i subbed!
Hey!
I have some suggestions -
1. Using a motor with lower rated rpm might work.
2. Using step up transformer might help.
3. Longer blades might make it more powerful.
4. Placing blades nearer to the center will increase angular velocity of the wind and thus, the rpm too.
By the way, I still think the vertical axis system is better due to less moving parts.
I just made some calculations regarding angular velocity of wind and now I believe that one cannot get high rpm in vertical axis turbines, but I think the torque must be high.
You should either use different alternator for this project or use a gearbox.
I admire your enthusiasm and the journey you followed from newbie to pro, you are definitely a Pro now. Congratulations
I bought the wind turbine that you took your idea from. And it does exactly what your model did. Not worth a hoot. Good job brother God bless.
I would like to see you reconfigure your experiment by changing blades to airfoils
Your experiment is destroyed
yes this will make it sooo much more efficient
Well this generator is useful for constant voltage.. and constant power supply. It will rotate with constant speed even in low wind condition. Well nice project. Keep it up.
I've always thought of putting a wind shield on the backside to reduce drag and put a tail on it so it always points the right way. What do you think? Can you give it a try since you're 70 percent there? Good work. Thumbs up.
CHM, a tail will only be beneficial on a system similar to a windmill in order to orient the vanes/rotors/propellers into the prevailing wind - this system is vertically oriented so does not rely on the winds direction, only the fact that it will spin regardless of which direction the wind comes from.
Also, what are you referring to when you said "windshield" since anything else will cause undue parasitic drag on the system.
@@larrywhalen127 Larry, I just left a full post about the same concept 5 minutes ago. A "windshield" could be a half cylinder lowered over the whole blade assembly. It seems that even cupped the back sides of the blades are loosing momentum in the system by fighting against the same wind which is propelling them 180 degrees around the device. If the wind could be shielded on the back or return side, then this continued drag on the system would be eliminated. Please see my full post for more details on such a setup.
@@larrywhalen127 Think out of the box. You'll get there.
@@Songer80 Hi CHM, I need to see a picture or a sketch to understand what is being referred to as a windshield, but in 1984 when I was still with STITS (aircraft) I modified several powered hanggliders (ultralights) which had standard single surface wings, with a "modified" Clark Y airfoil which is a two surface airfoil which increased their L/D (glide ratio) from 8:1 to at least 12:1 or 14:1 - meaning at 1,000 ' AGL they were now gliding 14,000 ' instead of 8,000 '.
Although single surface airfoils are a step up from a 'flat plate' similar to the 10 cent balsa gliders we had as kids, they still create a good deal of parasitic drag, which is the nature of the beast.
The best way to eliminate adverse drag in this situation would be to cut a thin, flat (1/8") piece of the same material (PVC ?) and glue it to the concave side of the blade, and then sealing the opening at the tip, which will result in additional rpm and therefore more energy produced.
@@vincetalkz Hi Vince, if you can check out my comment to Chefhomesteadmaker you will see a solution which I utilized in 1984 for several powered ultralights which used single surface airfoils - basically I modified the wings with a two surfaced, "modified" Clark Y airfoil which increased their efficiency by reducing the amount of drag created by the single surface airfoil itself.
Dude! This Video is 50/10!
I wonder why you don't have more subs!
Hello sir..I am one of your subscribers and I love to watch your videos
They are really helpful to me and encouraging. Keep it up👍😊
Hi Bro, I am from India, I want to make wind turbine at my agriculture field. I do not have much mechanical knowledge. Can you help me in designing vertical wind turbine?
Very good video bhai saaab! Its not everyday that we say an Indian DIY youtuber with such high production quality and good knowledge of metalworking. Keep it up bro! Subscribed!
Neat project! I have a couple suggestions. One. The flat brackets may be less resistant on the curved side of the blade. The other I always wanted to try. Have a sheild that moves with a vane to keep wind off the back sides of the blade. I am curious how much it would effect it. You could go a step further and use it to direct more wind to the working side. 🤔
What if it's just to much hard wear? Could a step up transformer be added 🤔 maybe some type of converter?
Great Project. Can I ask you to due an experiment? The experiment is miniaturize it in America we use dryers to dry our cloths. Make that turbine small enough to fit in the exhaust hose and harvest that energy. We also use ac units to cool our homes. A large fan outside is used to blow air across the cooling tunes. Build a turbine over the cooler to harvest that energy.
Great video.. my only suggestion would be safety glasses. 👍🏼
If you use a vertical Savonius turbine, I found by design that using two halves cut from a 200L drum and mount them onto the vertical shaft. Then make a large wing (side view) big enough to cover one half of the drums. Make the leading edge and dihedral large enough to allow the wind to cause a vacuum on the lift side. Only one half of the drum will be in the air stream on the high speed side. Use the vacuum from the "lift" to help the half of the drum inside the wing shape to spin towards the leading edge. Make a tail long enough to keep the leading edge into the wind. Mount the "wing" onto the vertical shaft. You can make the tail able to make the leading edge rotate away from the wind stream. Using the vacuum from the lift side should give you a 10% increase in power. Remember who gave you this and quote my name. Where I live, the Spring and Summer South Westerlies average 20 knots from approx. 1330 to 2000.
Wow, you sure do make great quality videos! I love the editing
Thank you very much!
@@DIYKingSaM how much power it can generate
Repurpose your vertical axis wind generator into a horizontal tip the blades like the other fan and your efficiency should come up as it is in the other wind generator but you'll have more surface space. And all of your work and machining you done to make this will be more useful to you. You'll probably have less drag and all your blades. That was pretty neat demonstration.
I want you guys to continue doing these kinds of projects and I'm very much interested in these
Great job brother!...
I would really like to see this setup improved. Things I would change: the tubes that secure the blades could be shorter and fixed horizontally. Smaler blades, and in less number. Great job guys.
6:05 who noticed the shivering electric bulb at the back
Savonius is a low speed purpose turbine. It has a narrow range of workload and now a particularly high efficiency. HOWEVER, it is a robust, cheap and easy to maintain turbine. The best thing about it is that it start at almost no wind, so you can make a lot of electricity for low power applications. Its prowess is in its consistency. ;)
Good job, from Argentina.
I don't know if someone already pointed this, but I'll do it anyway. It strikes me the difference between your "good" generator (horizontal axle) and the new one: surface area! A little bit of mechanics will tell you that the power you can get from a wind turbine is always proportional to it's area, and you can easily check your vertical is about a tenth of the horizontal one. Remember your vertical can only count on ONE blade at a time, whereas your horizontal as the THREE blades allways facing wind. Bottom line: I believe it's a good project, but blades have to be bigger. Also, as a side note, I believe you should mind the balance: maybe the rotor is not balanced, and there will be some friction drag ruinning the efficiency. Good luck. Thank you for the movie.
Excellent video and engineering skills guys , very instructive , informative and educational , Just two items i would like to draw your attention to . the drilling of any metal piece is safer when held in a suitable hand vice ,less chance of causing major damage to fingers and tendons should anything go wrong , Secondly when working with a disk cutter goggles are a must please protect your eyes ,we have two only . other then that a brilliant video ,great for teaching purpose , many thanks
dag and garl
You get two chances with your eyes: left and right.
Hello, nice project, thanks for sharing.
To get a much better result with the current design, you just need to split the windings and reconnect them in series. 6:32 every coil of your wheel consists of five parallel wires per winding. Just split and connect them in series. End of the first wire to the start of the second. And so on for every winding. This will multiple (x5) the output voltage and significantly increase output power at low RPMs.
Next two improvements are optional, as they need more extensive revision.
- It seems that it makes no sense to make more than three blades, more blades also reduces speed.
- And also a significant increase in productivity will be the creation of a full-fledged Darrieus rotor, but for this it is necessary to replace the halves of the pipes with a NACA0018 profile wing.
I was going to inquire if this had been done - rewiring each of the 3-phase windings to be in series vs parallel - and you addressed that.
Nice work, please continue the things you do, very interesting and inspiring!
Super video 👍👏 ,from Kerala ,india
Great video. Unfortunately you used blades that will be limited to the speed of the wind. Ideally use aerofoil type blades this will allow the turbine to turn at a rate faster than the wind speed and therefore generator more power. It could also be that the generator is a little heavy for the current blade design to turn.
Windage ( the problem of the return stroke ) was the same problem ( ok ok ignore the water ) , with paddle steamers ( and boat rowing ) , there was a steamer ( Reliance ) which furled the blade on the return stroke to help reduce losses .
Need a wind deflector on the return side that also incorporates as a directional tale for pointing windward
You don’t need a directional tail. That’s the main plus if the vertical designs. It doesn’t matter which way the wind is blowing. They need to work on the design of the drag side of the blades
I agree with Ed. the vertical axis wind turbine model exists for boats, and they use a fairly short radius, adding more blades, and using an axis to stabilize the arms, with bearings following the shape of a cylinder. this design showed to be stable and avoid overcharging since it creates a stable momentum, good luck improving it, looking forward to your results
Well you overengineered it and made it unnecessarily HEAVY so it's slow...
Agreed. The lighter the turbine weight, the lower the wind speed it will begin spinning/ generating power. Plus a higher surface to wieght ratio with the windvanes..just a bit too heavy..
Great knowledge I don't have any technical knowledge about this, but likes it very much and would like to experiment such things. I have got a 750 watts producing kerosene genset. I would like to know is it possible to use that generator (dismantling from kerosene engine) to convert it wind turbine generator? Since it has output panel, I think it's possible with minimal modification. If possible please upload a video on that.
A bit overkill with the music bro
I too thought this, but I suppose it is to convey high energy in what would otherwise be mostly silent periods of the building process. Perhaps a narrative explaining the design choices would have been better. Having said that, if you say everything in the video it cuts down the number of comments and doesn't help the algorithm. :) Nice videography, but then that's the advantage of having a second person.
Magnificent project,
A suggestion, could you make a workbench, ?
it is much more comfortable to work standing up than lying on the floor,
I think it is a custom of your country that I don't quite understand, knowing that you have the mechanical means to do it.
Dispense with the stupid electronic music, we are only interested in the engineering not stupid music
Keep the videos coming lads brilliant job.
Great, but this "UA-cam music"...
Hi...really appreciate the effort and knowledge,just a small suggestion. Reduce the length of the arms.This will increase the rpm. YES, this will require more torque(higher wind speed) .I am sure you cN strike a fine balance between the two.
Again,I love the concept
MashaALLAH
hay un poco de video en tus mas de 200 listas de publicidad ;)
Very Good Attempt👌👍👏
You may adopt following 2 vital points for VAWT:
(1) Better use odd number of blades (instead of 6 use 7 nos)
(2) If feasible increase the Radius
(3) try to make 3 or 4 number of blades from the pipe
May be you will get better output.
Nice planning, execution, and overall workmanship!
As was said below, odd numbered blades are more efficient. another thing that will increase efficiently is to figure a way to block 1/2 of the turbine so there is less resistance, no wind pushing back on the blades.
Muy bien construido. Disponen de planos? Y que rendimiento tiene
You are Tesla DIY....The Best !!! ...but tell me...witch is the fastes turbine....vertical axes or horizontal. Thx.
i'm about to set off on the same project as an ME. and i'm a little surprised how low the output is compared to generators i've bought from amazon for 200$ for my sailboat, and that's understanding the number of poles and windings of wire on each pole. From an estimated guess the motors just want more rpm (i'd love to bench test with the pair i have, and i will probably jerry rig something with variable speed to test with that can go faster than a drill) with some rpm data ill make a gear box of some sort (doesn't matter horizontal or vertical) but my guess is without too much engineering these motors can probably put out 500w without a lot of fuss... if i manage to get a decent data curve ill dm it to you
Me apki video like krta hoon apki expriment bhot achay hotay hain
you have just saved me £500 ukp. i was about to blow it on the lantern type generators. Thankyou. Subscriber now and patreon to be. bless you my friend :)
@DIYKing
The VAWT blade design you used operates differently than the propeller type. VAWT blades require VAWT turbines.
What is the difference?
VAWT blades function well in the low rpm range, 300rpm to 800rpm. Therefore, dynamo design must include peak power output near the upper rpm limit of the VAWT blade design.
Check out Gliders flying in vertical updrafts in a circular pattern. Every time the Glider enters the updraft it picks up momentum, increasing velocity beyond what it can achieve outside of the updraft.
The chief advantage of vertical axis wind generator is ease of maintenance. This occurs when you arrange the parts correctly in the first place. You should have put the motor and everything else at the base of the turbine, at ground level. The only thing at the top of the assembly should have been the blades which connect via a long shaft to all the other parts below, at ground level.
its a great wind turbine!
would be better to use heliccoidal blades?
it is incredible how good you keep your recording and creating stuff.. some of freedome like put this in roof is payed by price.. but anyway.. nice job keep going.. king in the name is worthy..
Try using aluminum sleeves and reduce the sleeves length by 25 - 30% of current length, make the wings more scoop like, right now they're letting too much air out.
Keep it up, you're doing good.
Right now you're using 0°-180° curve, just close the ends by D disks it'll make a good scoop just like Anemometer.
And go for 5 scoops than 6.
I like that you tested both and told us your results so that we all dont have to reinvent the windmill. How do you protect the motor from water, or is that a concern where you are//
Rewire the motor poles from parallel into series. It doesn't take much time, you'll get a much higher voltage at lower RPM. There are a bunch of videos online how to do this, it's worth it.
since you made the two generators which has given you better results, thank you.
Thank you, Very interesting, Keep exploring and finding new solutions for all of us.
Hello. I have a POTENTIAL SOLUTION to the problem of the back side of the blades having to fight against the wind speed. I have thought about this for years regarding a below mentioned design, but never built a model to work through it. Possibly you guys could try it. It seems that shielding the back side of the blades might help out much. This could be done by lowering a large partial cylinder over the entire blade assembly with half of the cylinder cut away. The cut away portion of the cylinder would be situated on the side of the blade assembly that is catching wind, while the back side of the blades would travel through an area shielded from the wind and negating this drag force that is limiting the power output with your current design. The large cylinder would of course have to be mounted on a carousel to enable its rotation to adjust for wind direction. This could be done passively with a wind vane above the whole device connected to the cylinder accordingly. There would have to be ample clearance between the blades and the cylinder to ensure their free flow through the shielded side without any compressive force developing as the blades enter this zone, as the compressive force could lead to vibrational issues, this aside from continued drag on the blades.
I have thought about this concept in the form of a series of horizontally mounted blade assemblies on the top ridges of residential roofs with only the "air catching" sides of the blades exposed while the return path of the blades is shielded in a housing. Although these are unidirectional, there are plenty of regions with a predominant wind direction for large portions of the year that could utilize such stationary power generating devices.
Mount the vertical blades in such a manner that each blade can pivot freely about a vertical axis. Provide a stop in each direction to prevent momentum from causing them to spin too far. This design eliminates the drag as all blade cups will remain oriented to catch the wind as the turbine spins.
Good engineering,, id like to know what people do with the power after its made by the wind turbines, does it just charge batteries or is it used directly somewhere
Keep the horizontal running and erect a separate pole behind that to harness the wind from that to run the vertical axis just behind that horizontal wind turbine for testing purpose only. This may help increase the wind flow to the vertical axis and you will be able to use the wind generated by other. Just curious is this works.
Good work...
Use gears to increase rpm or Change vertical blades design like half cutting cylinder...