Good, solid guide. One thing I'd add is that while it's a bit old-school (I mean, not BSAC '88 tables and a slate type old-school, but still old...) , I love my console style air integrated computer, as a strictly recreational diver. The hose connection makes for a ultra-reliable link, so there's no need to bother with an SPG, and it can't get lost, forgotten, come loose or fall off. Being console format makes more space for a nice, clear display, and it's easier to show to a buddy or DL. They also tend to be super rugged and last forever. BTW: Though I love this channel, just got to say I don't like the swappy round camera angles thing. We're right here, you can just talk to us, it's cool :)
When y’all are speaking to someone say who ‘s new to scuba diving you should show them the equipment that your talking about. I’ve been diving for years and know what your talking about but someone who’s new or even thinking about the sport of diving you could put them off before they even start
Personal opinion for feedback, I’m not a fan of the random alternative camera angles in this vid. Content is obviously still great, but unless you’re showing me something new, I’m not sure the point of the random side shot looking past the camera, find it a bit jarring. Good vid though
I gotta say, the best screen type on the market is actually the OLED. No LCD display in existence can manage the level of contrast an OLED screen is capable of. Shearwater Teric for the win! (If you want a watch style)
In my opinion- if you are a fresh openwater diver with a single tank, any divecomputer will do the job. Save some money, buy a less fancy divecomputer and spend some extra cach on a good working regulator instead. Having said that- I’m looking forward to get myself a Perdix:) safe diving every one and thanks Simply Scuba for a fantastic channel!
Joakim from Sweden Nilsson - agreed All electronic devices date. Compare a 10 year old computer to a 10 year old regulator and a decent regulator will still be good. A dive computer on the other hand won’t be around that long and will be missing the good functions. Buy a good set of regs
@@patricksoos674 Not necessarily. I have a 10 years old VR3 which has lots of functions that modern computers have. Nitrox, trimix, CCR, 10 gases, color display, tweakable diving information. Ok, there are some functiions missing, but non of them are vital.
Petr Sedlák @ Petr. I bought a used Uwatec for AUD $200 with transmitter. I couldn’t buy a “good” used reg setup used for that. Mind you I shouldn’t complain at that price 😉
I think it depends how often you dive, once a year just go for Suunto Zoop Novo. If you dive 2-3 times or more, can consider any dive computer. If you want something high end, get shearwater. No matter what you buy, avoid D5 - it has poor screen, battery, and software.
Sheareater Perdix AI. i have had several computers in my 20+ years of diving and Shearwater hit it on the nose. this is the first computer that does not leave me wanting more.
Garmin Descent, Not just for the dive computer. I also do a fair amount of swimming, biking and running. The Garmin is great at tracking all of that as well.
@@sebastienmeunier1643 So far. No problems with it. Was consistent with my console computer such as measuring depth, figuring out that I was in a safety stop, etc. It was much easier to set up the dive parameters (nitrox etc) than the console puck. Is it a Teric? no. Since I dive with 2 computers now, I think it is a great primary with the puck being a backup. Downloading dives over BT was automatic when I came in range of my phone.
All aspects are important, but the one aspect that I would look for first is functionality. What type of dives can you do with it? Does it support nitrox? Most entry-level computers do nowadays. Multiple gasses? Most computers do. Trimix? Only the 'tech-oriented' ones. So if you want to dive trimix or multi-gas technical dives, that would be the first thing to look at. Also: how easily can YOU work it? Underwater? I have seen people panicking underwater because they pushed a button and didn't get back to basic dive mode. In my nitrox class, I was the only one who could intuitively find the nitrox functions. Being able to work your computer is pretty premium, I would say.
After plenty of research around beginner computers, I'm currently choosing between Zoop Novo & D4i novo, will just need to go to shop soon in-person to see/try up-close
And why is that? I'm a new diver and thought a good dive computer would be a good thing to get. Can you please elaborate why it should be the last piece of equipment to get?
@@sebastienmeunier1643 Sure. I'll explain by recommending the gear you pick up first. I'll presume that you needed to get your mask, fins, snorkel, booties as a part of your class. If not bump all that to the top of list - it's relatively inexpensive for the set. The first piece of gear I always recommend is a BCD. I used to explain to my students that your open water dive instruction is intended to give you the basics to keep yourself alive underwater. You will spend your first 5-10 (perhaps more) dives just figuring out how to control yourself underwater - controlling your buoyancy/trim is a big part of that. Think of your open water class like a driver's ed class - it will tell you how to generally operate the equipment and behave safely. If I give you keys to my car you will be able to drive it fine but you won't know if the brakes grab when they are wet, if it operates poorly when warming up, or how you active the cruise control. You of course know all this about YOUR car. What I am getting at is knowing how YOUR BCD performs is essential to getting better at those core skills. The second piece of gear I would recommend it your regulator. If you are concerned about the safety of rental gear be concerned about the maintenance of that regulator. If you ever crack open a second stage you'll see some very basic components that keep up alive underwater. That diaphragm is thin - it can tear, it can fail to seat because of grit, etc. This is NOT to scare you and keep you out of the water. I am just saying the risk of avoided maintenance on a regulator is much higher than that of a computer. A poorly maintained computer is just likely to not turn on. Bad computer maintenance is not going to make the algorithm go bad and lie to you about your no-decompression limits. Finally, regarding your regulator, if you decide to have different alternate air source as a part of your BCD low pressure inflator I think that you will have limited choices when renting your regulator. Third, finally the computer. The argument might be that owning a computer will give you more time underwater to hone those skills. Unfortunately it won't make much of a difference - not at first at least. As a new open water diver, limited to 60ft and with a higher surface air consumption than you will have one day, you will almost certainly run out of air before you run out of no-decompression limit time. Or perhaps the argument is that a computer makes a diver safer because it is constantly monitoring your depth and recalculating your bubble absorption. A computer certainly does keep track of where you are in the water column but the assumption that it makes you safer is incorrect. This is a more AGGRESSIVE way to dive. Treating your dive like a square profile is much more conservative. I am not arguing against using one - I am just arguing that renting a computer will give you all the benefits and not expose you to any additional risk. So, I am not saying DON'T BUY A COMPUTER. Perhaps the way I stated my initial comment made you believe that is what I meant - if so, my apologies. I use one now and have had several over the last 26yrs. Matter of fact I watched this video because I am in the market for another. But don't buy a computer first if it means you can't purchase the gear that will make you a better diver or gear that will reduce risk during your dives. Hope that helps. V/r, Grady.
@@gdonathan Thank you very much for taking the time to reply and explain what you meant. I want you to know I really appreciate it! Living in Canada, I must admit diving in super cold water is not very attractive to me. I did my Open Water certification here but I'd much rather dive in warmer waters down south. For this reason I thought maybe it would be easier to rent equipment at the destination rather than lugging my own equipment all the way through airports, flights, transfers, etc. I also thought a dive computer would be small enough to fit in my carry-on or even wear it on my wrist in the case of a watch-type computer. Plus having my own dive computer would be easier to keep detailed logs of my dives (must be the tech geek in me!) ;) Having said all that, all the points you made are very important and I will definitely take them into serious consideration. Thanks again for your reply! Sebastien
Recently purchased the cosmiq dive computer. Easy to setup, clear and bright colour screen, also big screen for my old eyes. And best, the price I got was €310. I only think the magnetic charge point isnt really strong enough, also no charge light when charging. Not dived with it yet, looking forward to it.
I keep drooling over the SUUNTO Eon Core, but for +$1000 it doesn't make practical cost effective sense for me as a now occasional recreational diver. My primary criterion is a non-noisy, easy to read display. So while being able to program what is displayed would be a big plus, I'm still very satisfied with my Mares Puck Pro (for ~1/5 the price). It has a very clean display (which I upgraded to from my old Veo 100 for an auditory assent rate alarm). Recognize that in an emergency your mental capacity will diminish so having a computer than an idiot can understand is very important You don't need to know the water temp or other trivia at that point, just where to make a deco stop or how fast to ascend. When I win the lottery I'll buy the SUUNTO. :-)
consideration for my future dive computer will include air integration and data download availability. ill rant once again about Suunto (Zoop Novo) the only issue is that ludicrous price for the cable. Bluetooth is a really nice feature to have and in reality does not cost much at all to integrate from the suppliers point of view. when i started diving, first thing i bought was the dive computer/compass and dive light in one purchase then wetsuit then BCD with weights next up is regs
Great guide! I would just add to also research what other costs are not included in the purchase of the dive computer unit. For example: most users see that Cressi computers are fairly cheap, but if you want to download your logs from their computers, you need to buy the USB cable for $59.95 USD. Same with Mares at $44.95 USD for their Dive Link system. Then there's battery replacements - if you don't get a user replaceable battery model, you may need to pay to get it factory replaced or be able to find a licensed dive shop that will service your device. A dive instructor advised that it costs around $100 USD just to get his Suunto battery replaced by the factory, but each brand is different.
Only problems I have with my Garmin Descent is the size and lack of profiles. It's fat, the diameter of the disk is nice but it comes off my arm almost half an inch! After every dive I need to spend an hour inputting my equipment!
I would love if you would do a Video, about algorithm. Because I think it would be useful. Sure alorithm is not everything, if you want to be save you may would add a half minute for every minute of the break, and you would go with tiny steps to your limit. I don't have much experiance in scuba, i just do free dive, but I guess it's okay to go like 1% beyond your limit. But I would love if you could do also a Video about going beyond. As I know the limit is 40 Meters, I heard 60 for a professional. But what if I would dive 42 meters? Yeah it's maybe not smart to ask things which would break rules, mostlly if you think about to do scuba one day. But if you too much affraid about, asking where can I go beyond my limit, even just a tiny bit, or where could it be just dangerous, you may would try it by your self which would be much more dangerous, so I guess it should be okay to ask. So I would love if you could do a Video about, because I believe it would be useful where it's okay to go beyond the limit and where not. I don't do scuba, and maybe it's really dangerous, but if I would dive 40m and there were just one Meter more to hit the floor I would do, maybe many would do the same. I guess you understand, I don't want to run into the danger, but if I would know where they are, I could beware them, I know we all are different, maybe for some it feels like being at 40 meters already at 39m for others it's no Problem to go to 40.5 m. Thank you for your amazing Videos.
I was definitely looking to upgrade mine. I bought my original one off one of the DMs who helped train me and while still a good computer, she is a little on the older side. As I like to tell my patient's owners, age is not a disease however it does put some additional concerns on. Are you going to have a follow up on dive computers you recommend? cheers
You kind of bailed on the most important consideration. The whole point of the computer is calculate safe diving practices and transmit them to you. So the algorithm you choose to use would seem to be more important than the computer you use. You seem to infer that some algorithms are better for Navy SEALS than they are for the overweight, aged, and inexperienced diver. So please, help us determine the best algorithm for us personally. You undermine the suggestion to pick the best for you, when you then suggest to coordinate algorithms with your buddy. So if I, 68 yrs old, coordinate with my son, 30 years old, how safe is that? Please evaluate algorithms. Better yet, is there some sort of selection program, where you put in parameters, and a suggestion is made for best algorithms.
@@lennygermany1507 not going to lie i havnt used them much myself. im a spearfisherman so i really have no need to prove or show a log book. i can see all my dive profiles right on the G2 so if i need any dive info i get it from there. hope it all works out for you brother. safe diving.
Looking to buy myself one and this was a fantastic video to answer all my questions!
glad it helped! :D
Cosmiq 😇
so please tell what decompression algorithm suits you best? - that question was left for the viewer to answer ;)
@@Richard1976
Why?
Fastnail great price, colour display, easy to use, big screen. 25 logs on your computer and easy sync to your mobile device.
It is very easy to choose a dive computer, if Shearwater is written on it, its the right one
Good, solid guide. One thing I'd add is that while it's a bit old-school (I mean, not BSAC '88 tables and a slate type old-school, but still old...) , I love my console style air integrated computer, as a strictly recreational diver. The hose connection makes for a ultra-reliable link, so there's no need to bother with an SPG, and it can't get lost, forgotten, come loose or fall off. Being console format makes more space for a nice, clear display, and it's easier to show to a buddy or DL. They also tend to be super rugged and last forever.
BTW: Though I love this channel, just got to say I don't like the swappy round camera angles thing. We're right here, you can just talk to us, it's cool :)
I just look for Shearwater
When y’all are speaking to someone say who ‘s new to scuba diving you should show them the equipment that your talking about. I’ve been diving for years and know what your talking about but someone who’s new or even thinking about the sport of diving you could put them off before they even start
Personal opinion for feedback, I’m not a fan of the random alternative camera angles in this vid. Content is obviously still great, but unless you’re showing me something new, I’m not sure the point of the random side shot looking past the camera, find it a bit jarring. Good vid though
Yep I had the same feeling/comment.....
I gotta say, the best screen type on the market is actually the OLED. No LCD display in existence can manage the level of contrast an OLED screen is capable of.
Shearwater Teric for the win! (If you want a watch style)
In my opinion- if you are a fresh openwater diver with a single tank, any divecomputer will do the job. Save some money, buy a less fancy divecomputer and spend some extra cach on a good working regulator instead. Having said that- I’m looking forward to get myself a Perdix:) safe diving every one and thanks Simply Scuba for a fantastic channel!
Joakim from Sweden Nilsson - agreed
All electronic devices date. Compare a 10 year old computer to a 10 year old regulator and a decent regulator will still be good. A dive computer on the other hand won’t be around that long and will be missing the good functions.
Buy a good set of regs
@@patricksoos674 Not necessarily. I have a 10 years old VR3 which has lots of functions that modern computers have. Nitrox, trimix, CCR, 10 gases, color display, tweakable diving information. Ok, there are some functiions missing, but non of them are vital.
Petr Sedlák @ Petr. I bought a used Uwatec for AUD $200 with transmitter.
I couldn’t buy a “good” used reg setup used for that.
Mind you I shouldn’t complain at that price 😉
I think it depends how often you dive, once a year just go for Suunto Zoop Novo. If you dive 2-3 times or more, can consider any dive computer. If you want something high end, get shearwater. No matter what you buy, avoid D5 - it has poor screen, battery, and software.
I went with an in-line air integrated computer console. Works great for me. Everything on one console and one screen.
Best? Shearwater. Simple? Shearwater. Safe? Shearwater. Reliable, durable? Shearwater. #ShearwaterBrotherhood
Hey Simply scuba!!!! I'm in Key Largo for a dive trip!!! Come meet me at the holiday inn!
If you are going to take up diving seriously. Save yourself the upgrade hasslea and just either get a Sherewater or Divesfot freedom.
Zoop is all you need.
Sheareater Perdix AI. i have had several computers in my 20+ years of diving and Shearwater hit it on the nose. this is the first computer that does not leave me wanting more.
Garmin Descent, Not just for the dive computer. I also do a fair amount of swimming, biking and running. The Garmin is great at tracking all of that as well.
It's very nice that it can be used for other stuff, but as a dive computer, is it as good and reliable as other dive computers?
@@sebastienmeunier1643 So far. No problems with it. Was consistent with my console computer such as measuring depth, figuring out that I was in a safety stop, etc. It was much easier to set up the dive parameters (nitrox etc) than the console puck. Is it a Teric? no. Since I dive with 2 computers now, I think it is a great primary with the puck being a backup. Downloading dives over BT was automatic when I came in range of my phone.
All aspects are important, but the one aspect that I would look for first is functionality. What type of dives can you do with it? Does it support nitrox? Most entry-level computers do nowadays. Multiple gasses? Most computers do. Trimix? Only the 'tech-oriented' ones. So if you want to dive trimix or multi-gas technical dives, that would be the first thing to look at.
Also: how easily can YOU work it? Underwater? I have seen people panicking underwater because they pushed a button and didn't get back to basic dive mode. In my nitrox class, I was the only one who could intuitively find the nitrox functions. Being able to work your computer is pretty premium, I would say.
After plenty of research around beginner computers, I'm currently choosing between Zoop Novo & D4i novo, will just need to go to shop soon in-person to see/try up-close
Interesting thoughts. As a USN diver and PADI/SSI instructor a dive computer is the LAST piece of equipment that I would recommend a new diver buy.
And why is that? I'm a new diver and thought a good dive computer would be a good thing to get. Can you please elaborate why it should be the last piece of equipment to get?
@@sebastienmeunier1643 Sure. I'll explain by recommending the gear you pick up first. I'll presume that you needed to get your mask, fins, snorkel, booties as a part of your class. If not bump all that to the top of list - it's relatively inexpensive for the set.
The first piece of gear I always recommend is a BCD. I used to explain to my students that your open water dive instruction is intended to give you the basics to keep yourself alive underwater. You will spend your first 5-10 (perhaps more) dives just figuring out how to control yourself underwater - controlling your buoyancy/trim is a big part of that. Think of your open water class like a driver's ed class - it will tell you how to generally operate the equipment and behave safely. If I give you keys to my car you will be able to drive it fine but you won't know if the brakes grab when they are wet, if it operates poorly when warming up, or how you active the cruise control. You of course know all this about YOUR car. What I am getting at is knowing how YOUR BCD performs is essential to getting better at those core skills.
The second piece of gear I would recommend it your regulator. If you are concerned about the safety of rental gear be concerned about the maintenance of that regulator. If you ever crack open a second stage you'll see some very basic components that keep up alive underwater. That diaphragm is thin - it can tear, it can fail to seat because of grit, etc. This is NOT to scare you and keep you out of the water. I am just saying the risk of avoided maintenance on a regulator is much higher than that of a computer. A poorly maintained computer is just likely to not turn on. Bad computer maintenance is not going to make the algorithm go bad and lie to you about your no-decompression limits. Finally, regarding your regulator, if you decide to have different alternate air source as a part of your BCD low pressure inflator I think that you will have limited choices when renting your regulator.
Third, finally the computer. The argument might be that owning a computer will give you more time underwater to hone those skills. Unfortunately it won't make much of a difference - not at first at least. As a new open water diver, limited to 60ft and with a higher surface air consumption than you will have one day, you will almost certainly run out of air before you run out of no-decompression limit time. Or perhaps the argument is that a computer makes a diver safer because it is constantly monitoring your depth and recalculating your bubble absorption. A computer certainly does keep track of where you are in the water column but the assumption that it makes you safer is incorrect. This is a more AGGRESSIVE way to dive. Treating your dive like a square profile is much more conservative. I am not arguing against using one - I am just arguing that renting a computer will give you all the benefits and not expose you to any additional risk.
So, I am not saying DON'T BUY A COMPUTER. Perhaps the way I stated my initial comment made you believe that is what I meant - if so, my apologies. I use one now and have had several over the last 26yrs. Matter of fact I watched this video because I am in the market for another. But don't buy a computer first if it means you can't purchase the gear that will make you a better diver or gear that will reduce risk during your dives.
Hope that helps. V/r, Grady.
@@gdonathan Thank you very much for taking the time to reply and explain what you meant. I want you to know I really appreciate it!
Living in Canada, I must admit diving in super cold water is not very attractive to me. I did my Open Water certification here but I'd much rather dive in warmer waters down south. For this reason I thought maybe it would be easier to rent equipment at the destination rather than lugging my own equipment all the way through airports, flights, transfers, etc. I also thought a dive computer would be small enough to fit in my carry-on or even wear it on my wrist in the case of a watch-type computer. Plus having my own dive computer would be easier to keep detailed logs of my dives (must be the tech geek in me!) ;)
Having said all that, all the points you made are very important and I will definitely take them into serious consideration.
Thanks again for your reply!
Sebastien
Recently purchased the cosmiq dive computer. Easy to setup, clear and bright colour screen, also big screen for my old eyes. And best, the price I got was €310. I only think the magnetic charge point isnt really strong enough, also no charge light when charging. Not dived with it yet, looking forward to it.
Got a mission puck, in time ill get the perdix, so then ill have 2 computers for redundancy.
I keep drooling over the SUUNTO Eon Core, but for +$1000 it doesn't make practical cost effective sense for me as a now occasional recreational diver. My primary criterion is a non-noisy, easy to read display. So while being able to program what is displayed would be a big plus, I'm still very satisfied with my Mares Puck Pro (for ~1/5 the price). It has a very clean display (which I upgraded to from my old Veo 100 for an auditory assent rate alarm). Recognize that in an emergency your mental capacity will diminish so having a computer than an idiot can understand is very important You don't need to know the water temp or other trivia at that point, just where to make a deco stop or how fast to ascend. When I win the lottery I'll buy the SUUNTO. :-)
consideration for my future dive computer will include air integration and data download availability. ill rant once again about Suunto (Zoop Novo) the only issue is that ludicrous price for the cable. Bluetooth is a really nice feature to have and in reality does not cost much at all to integrate from the suppliers point of view.
when i started diving, first thing i bought was the dive computer/compass and dive light in one purchase then wetsuit then BCD with weights next up is regs
Great guide! I would just add to also research what other costs are not included in the purchase of the dive computer unit.
For example: most users see that Cressi computers are fairly cheap, but if you want to download your logs from their computers, you need to buy the USB cable for $59.95 USD. Same with Mares at $44.95 USD for their Dive Link system.
Then there's battery replacements - if you don't get a user replaceable battery model, you may need to pay to get it factory replaced or be able to find a licensed dive shop that will service your device. A dive instructor advised that it costs around $100 USD just to get his Suunto battery replaced by the factory, but each brand is different.
LOL...a CRT dive computer...how big would that be?? :). Btw...I got the Teric limited edition red...love it!
How big would the battery be?!
@@michaelatherton5761 D cells, my friend. Lots and lots of D cells.... and I thought the massive old Ni-cad in my 90s-tastic torch was bad enough....
Only problems I have with my Garmin Descent is the size and lack of profiles.
It's fat, the diameter of the disk is nice but it comes off my arm almost half an inch!
After every dive I need to spend an hour inputting my equipment!
Is there a dive computer that will do two cylinders for side mount divers
I'm hearing really good things about the Aqualung I770R, its between this and Suunto Eon Core in my opinion
Two words- Sheareater Perdix.
You forgot AI. Important add on. I truely love mine under water 😊
Do you think built in compass and Bluetooth is worth the price? Also what is your opion about seac action hr dive computer? Thanks
Thanks good revue 👍🏼👊🏼
I would love if you would do a Video, about algorithm. Because I think it would be useful. Sure alorithm is not everything, if you want to be save you may would add a half minute for every minute of the break, and you would go with tiny steps to your limit.
I don't have much experiance in scuba, i just do free dive, but I guess it's okay to go like 1% beyond your limit. But I would love if you could do also a Video about going beyond.
As I know the limit is 40 Meters, I heard 60 for a professional.
But what if I would dive 42 meters?
Yeah it's maybe not smart to ask things which would break rules, mostlly if you think about to do scuba one day.
But if you too much affraid about, asking where can I go beyond my limit, even just a tiny bit, or where could it be just dangerous, you may would try it by your self which would be much more dangerous, so I guess it should be okay to ask. So I would love if you could do a Video about, because I believe it would be useful where it's okay to go beyond the limit and where not.
I don't do scuba, and maybe it's really dangerous, but if I would dive 40m and there were just one Meter more to hit the floor I would do, maybe many would do the same.
I guess you understand, I don't want to run into the danger, but if I would know where they are, I could beware them, I know we all are different, maybe for some it feels like being at 40 meters already at 39m for others it's no Problem to go to 40.5 m.
Thank you for your amazing Videos.
general question, whats the pros an cons to a computer thats air integrated compared to a non air integrated computer?
Most important thing to consider when buying a dive computer.
Will it run doom?
I was definitely looking to upgrade mine. I bought my original one off one of the DMs who helped train me and while still a good computer, she is a little on the older side. As I like to tell my patient's owners, age is not a disease however it does put some additional concerns on. Are you going to have a follow up on dive computers you recommend?
cheers
What is your opinion on the deep blu cosmic +G5?
I'd love to see their review of this as well!
All these advice videos would be drastically improved if you showed us the products you're describing.
You kind of bailed on the most important consideration. The whole point of the computer is calculate safe diving practices and transmit them to you. So the algorithm you choose to use would seem to be more important than the computer you use. You seem to infer that some algorithms are better for Navy SEALS than they are for the overweight, aged, and inexperienced diver. So please, help us determine the best algorithm for us personally. You undermine the suggestion to pick the best for you, when you then suggest to coordinate algorithms with your buddy. So if I, 68 yrs old, coordinate with my son, 30 years old, how safe is that? Please evaluate algorithms. Better yet, is there some sort of selection program, where you put in parameters, and a suggestion is made for best algorithms.
Scuba Pro G2 has been anazing for me.
Lucky you , have had Software issues with Logtrak both on PC and Android , but who needs a digital Logbook ? :-/
@@lennygermany1507 not going to lie i havnt used them much myself. im a spearfisherman so i really have no need to prove or show a log book. i can see all my dive profiles right on the G2 so if i need any dive info i get it from there. hope it all works out for you brother. safe diving.
@@jasonanderson261 you too mate
Just save yourself some time and buy the Perdix AI.
Cant recomend HeinrichsWeikamp. Had some bad experiences with the quality and customer service.
I had an Orca Edge! The Brick!! Cutting edge in the 1980's!