No More Mr. Knife Guy | The Legend of Freddy Krueger
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1984's A Nightmare on Elm Street introduced us to the terrifying, deformed villain known as Freddy Krueger. Throughout at least seven canon films, Freddy and his razored glove terrorized teens across twenty odd years on the silver screen; but what on Earth is he? A demon who inhabits the realm between dreams and reality? A ghost created by the animosity of his tormentors? Or could he be something else entirely? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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in the 80's, when the tv channels went off the air into the early AM morning. ALL the Major stations CBS, ABC and, NBC, played a Patriotic Post message/epilogue with the National Anthem playing and video of how the USA came to be through pictures i.e. Washington crossing the Delaware River, Pioneers, WW2, and the likes of the moon landing. Plus, this Movie's Director Wes Craven got the idea of this movie from a group of American Cambodian citizens (strangely ALL male) who were dying in their sleep.
Freddy was a mix of shadow people and sudden unexplainable death syndrome it's mentioned in a documentary
Wes had read an article in the news paper that mentioned people who'd died without any known cause and he'd also heard of shadow people and mixed the two cuz there's the type of shadow people that have a hat which kinda ties into the movie shadow people which is a mockumentary done to look like it's real you should check it out
The dieing in your dreams thing came from sudden unexplainable death syndrome
You should have covered Freddy vs Jason vs ash along with the movies
The original Freddy might be a witch, but Freddy as a horror or supernatural being could also accurately be described as a Tulpa. Every time he comes back, it's due to the thought of him, and the original ending pretty much confirms it. Every time he dies, he does actually go away until the thoughts of him resurface.
But why would a Tulpa be effected by holy water and a cross?
@atotallynormalshark6330 I honestly... haven't seen any of the Elm Street movies, but just from the overall context, I'd say: Probably because people believe it will. If your thought form (Tulpa) comes into being because you believed it, then it probably has whatever weaknesses you assume it has.
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Not literally a tulpa; tulpa-like?
Aidan has no idea what a witch is. Oh please. But tulpa is a lot closer to what Freddy could be, although more of a group construct.
Revenant. Freddy is a Revenant. Driven by revenge.
Night of the Scarecrow type thing.
Being able to operate in Dreamscape is another level.
Speaking of first movie only, stuff changed willy nilly over the course of sequels.
Wes Kraven was inspired to make Freddy after he learned about a seemingly culture-bound syndrome among South Asian refugees that caused men to die in their sleep. The wave of deaths was believed to be caused by the refugee's very strong belief that their ancestors would come at night to punish them for fleeing their homeland. It's really fascinating to read about.
Isn't it just that there's a very high rate of a particular congenital heart condition in South Asians, that combined with untreated sleep apnea means they can die in their sleep at pretty much any time.
@@wintersking4290is that why they believe in fan death?
@@wintersking4290Oh it was more than that. The families of those man reported that some of them refused to sleep because of those nightmares, and some of them were heard screaming in their sleep before their death. Makes everything even more creepy
Fan death? Lol Krazy Korens and their fans
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD No actually, fan death is a conspiracy theory that was originally spread by South Korean power companies in order to reduce people's power consumption during nighttime hours. This was back right after the war when their power grid was pretty unstable. It was so successful of a propaganda effort that some of them still believe it today.
The OP was actually talking about something that happened to Laotian, Vietnamese, and Hmong men who were refugees from the Vietnam war. Many of whom died in their sleep because of the fact that a particular Heart condition is incredibly common among that demographic.
Absolutely love that you didn't know about the end of day Star Spangled Banner that each channel used to have before that was replaced with infomercials! Almost as good as you calling someone less than five years your junior "kid" a few episodes back! Keep these horror movie breakdowns coming, very enjoyable!
I’m in that weird stage of being old enough to shake my head at the kids but young enough to not know things like this 😅
Yup, I remember that 😂
@@TheLoreLodge Don't worry, that phase will pass in about.....10 years, lol
Came here to say this. He might be a little young to remember that 😅
@TheOrginalPrincessColey Ha, I came looking for the same comment. Not sure at what point the infommercials hit, but the channels going "off-air" was something that always annoyed me as a kid.
Not fearimg Freddy being his weakness is actually pretty accurate to how to deal with nightmares
Honestly, this is a bit analogous to the problem of fatal sleep paralysis in, I believe Thailand. Apparently a legend of a demon who attacks men is so entrenched that every year, a few men die from sleep paralysis because they deeply and truly believe the demon exists, and they have heart attacks. I'm sure a fair amount survive it, but that's still very traumatic. Sleep paralysis is not typically fatal or injurous anywhere else in the world.
@@montananerd8244the hat man!
In agoraphobia cases in clinical psychology we rely on willful exposure therapy. So you can do with that information what you wish lol.
The good ol days huh..!!
@@montananerd8244 Sounds about right. I can't express how horrifying Sleep Paralysis is the first few dozen times-- almost like intense fear & panic is just part of it.
After a few years I "figured out" how to just go with the flow, so to speak, and turn it into more of an out of body experience... after that point it was no longer scary... not too long after that, I stopped having it and have not had it since.
Which is kind of unfortunately because once I got over the fear, it was actually a very cool state to be in.
10:09 the reason the song is playing while the tv is on his body in bed, is because before 24hr tv channels, the channels would go off the air at midnight. And most would play this same song.
Of course back then, even with a huge antenna on the outside of your house, you'd be lucky to pick up 3 local channels 😊
I was just about to type the same. Seems like our esteemed host needs some "history" lessons as well :D
I was litterly about to comment about this.. I'm glad I'm not the only one here who knows or remembers when TV channels didn't play 24hrs a day.. 😆
Hopefully he realizes this before doing any dives into Poltergeist
When our host is talking about educating the younger generation and makes a comment not understanding the star spangled banner playing when the channel is about to shutdown for the night. Top kek from this gen xer.
I know it's a long time ago now, but I'm a Swede (never even been to the US), and even I knew that. It surprises me that someone that does so heavy research into topics, and even talks about "the younger audience might not be aware of this" didn't know this.
Perhaps I'm just getting too old. I remember seeing this in multiple shows and movies, maybe most notable in Poltergeist.
As a person who's had some pretty horrific nightmares where I have ended up dying and then waking up, can confirm, you do not die in real life if you die in dreams.
Thank god, or else I would’ve died to a velociraptor…
Same
You can definitely feel pain from nightmares physical and emotional....
I can second this I once had a nightmare about heading out to start my day but kept dying before getting to the sidewalk
I've had a weird problem where I take a fatal injury(one case being having the back area of my skull caved in while sitting in a car) but still don't die, so I just end up waiting around for death for an unpleasant amount of time in my dreams.
In the UK when programming ended for the night the TV stations would play God Save the Queen before it turned to static. I always thought that The Star Spangled Banner playing in that scene just meant the channel was about to cease programmes for the night too. I could be wrong in that assumption but it made sense to me.
That is true IRL and is probably what was happening it's been awhile since I've watched this movie
Yes, when channels would go "off the air", they would play the Star Spangled Banner back then. Afterwards, it would just be a bunch of colored lines on the screen and a monotone beeping sound playing.
That is 100% correct. That tells the viewer that it is very late
And even before television, this would happen in cinemas too.
i always liked freddy vs jason i know the dialogue isnt great but the whole idea of how they set it up with freddy manipulating jason into doing mimic killings to get his power back then realising jason isnt stopping and taking all his kills and in turn taking his power back off him since its gonna be jason they fear and not him to set up the fight its a cool idea..
Finally someone who liked that entry too 😄 I watched it with my mom, which was kinda awkward in some scenes but we absolutely loved it as horror fans!
I always thought that FvJ problem was with the cast and not certain to do the Jason route of characters you can't stand for machete targets or with Freddy movies where characters are actually likeable
FvJ was an excellent concept, terrible execution. I still can’t get over the “dark meat” line from Fredrick Kruger…. 🙄
Freddy vs Jason is my favorite out of all of them 👍👍
I stand by that the movie was built on good ideas, just horribly executed. Like the star wars prequels.
The way you described Jason’s thought processes makes him sound like me when I forget to take my meds. “This bed is entirely too flat.”
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“ when the cheese slides off the pizza with knife hands from ohio” is the best way to describe Freddy crougar
I read that to the tune of "Fix You" by Coldplay
I read that like "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains"
19:30 the star spangled banner was used to denote the time. In the 80s-90s some channels on network television would always play the star spangled at the end of the broadcast day and then they would go to static until airing started again in the morning. In this case it is kind of symbolic as the end of the broadcast day is also the end of Glenn's life
Good point
I literally got made fun of for commenting on a nightmare on elmstreet that part of the charm of freddy's character was his Charisma. And how making him just a straight up pedophile ruined the character in the remake.
And everyone replies to me saying "freddy was just a child murderer he never had charisma"
I'm glad someone else finally admitted Freddies actual character is what makes him stand out from other movie slashers. Without that he's just another killer
He definitely is the most interesting and charismatic of the 80's villains in my opinion, even if he is utterly despicable
Horrible people can be very charismatic, that’s how a lot of cults form, I understand that people tend to feel that the word has a positive connotation but that’s just not what the word means technically speaking.
I always thought Freddy was a psychic vampire. Draining fear energy first then soul energy. Fear is strong but passes quickly while soul energy is long lasting.
I do unironically like freddy vs jason. I find whole Fire weakness themed vs Water weakness theme monster fight hilarious, so Jason being afraid of water because he drowned with Freddy hating fire because he burned was just a really clever concept. It makes sense because they are opposites, with Jason being simple and "efficient" and Freddy being manipulative and toying with people sadistically.
Jason never struck me as having dubious creepy motives behind his actions, he just wanted people to stop holding hands so hard on his Christian minecraft server, and freddy is fun to watch get curb stomped by his own plan backfiring into his stupid pizza face.
Except in every movie before freddy vs jason, jason never had a fear of water lol so it would be an interesting concept, it if didn't go against the well established lore of one of the characters 🤷♂️ still a fun movie though, I don't hate it.
The Star Spangled Banner used to play on TV stations when they signed off for the night. Yes, TV was not 24/7 back in the day they turned off at midnight or 1am.
Surprised you didn't come across the Aswang in your research. It's a creature from Khmer mythology that's similar to the Hag and Mare in its MO. Wes Craven was also originally inspired by a series of deaths involving Cambodian refugees dying in their sleep in LA in the 70s/80s. Those deaths were often attributed to the Aswang within those communities, as well.
Note that I'm not saying Freddy is intended to be the Aswang, just that it's a strong inspiration for the original movie
19:15
The reason the anthem plays is because back in the 80s, before channels had 24 hour programming, they would play the anthem as a sign off before cutting off. So all that scene tells us is that it's past midnight (since that's usually when channels signed off for the day).
I've always thought that Freddy was something similar to a tulpa, or thoughtform. Possibly created by the parents who killed him originally, as they could have had some residual guilt/ anger about his legacy and how they dealt with him
that would kind of explain his weakness of starting to disappear, if no one believes in him or even knows about him.
It also explains why any plan to kill him works at the end of the movie but never actually sticks, because you think your plan works so it does, but then someone else thinks him back up so he returns.
So, something like the analog horror series, Greylock.
Makes perfect sense actually, Tulpas are terrifying.
this definitely taught me that i had the lore wrong about Freddy Krueger lol
For some reason my understanding was that he was a janitor at the elementary school and was falsely accused of touching some of the children, so the parents killed him, and then his vengeful spirit was trying to attack the teens in an act of "if im accused i might as well do the crimes" type of thing, to try to punish the parents for taking him from his family.
BUT i have never watched an entire Nightmare on Elm Street film before
tbf, the remake kind of tried to do just that, only the twist was that he was actually guilty
That’s the remake’s general plot
I wonder if that came from the TV show or something? That was vaguely the way I remember it, too, but I never saw the films either. I did watch the TV show, but remember almost nothing from it.... I vaguely remember the "son of a thousand maniacs" thing, too, but it seemed like an explanation that I only heard years later somehow.
that makes the most sense for the remake then.
i think i tried to piece together whatever adults had told me about the films before and why i shouldn't watch them haha.
i think they had an interesting concept that got really jumbled by Hollywood's insistence on making money rather than the quality of movies ):
That’s the pos remake
The way they did the blood geyser was awesome and turned into a awesome shot. The way they did Tina being dragged up the wall and stuff was pretty cool to, built a rotating house set I think.
Thats how they did the scene in Poltergeist for certain, I’m not sure if they did the same in this movie. Possibly. 🤷
The idea of Freddy being a witch was explored sub-textually in Wes Craven's New Nightmare, hence why the fairy tale and design of Freddy are allusions to Hansel and Gretel, one being a direct reading and quotation of. However, that movie also makes it that Freddy is also a demon for whatever reason at the end.
I was introduced to this channel by MrBallen and I have grown to like your content more and more. You’re definitely more comfortable talking on camera now than you used to be. It’s only up from here bud. 🍻
I’m glad to hear I’ve improved, it’s been quite a journey and I’m just glad to be able to provide something of value to the audience :)
@@TheLoreLodge I can’t speak for everyone but as a truck driver thank you for providing an entertainment podcast to listen to on those long drives.
He’s better then mr ballen in my opinion he actually digs into it while ballen just does a 5 min run down and the other half of the video is a commercial
@@randyphillips6506 I think it's really just 2 different formats. MrBallen is more storyteller and This channel actually goes into the lore of things.
@@TheLoreLodge I've only started watching some of your vids recently, but one HUGE improvement that I really appreciate is that you(as in the channel itself) have lowered that banger intro/outtro music so that it's not 10x louder than the rest of the video. thank you!
I really enjoy this series where you kinda seriously analyze these pretty silly horror movies. Thanks for the video :)
From what I have read, Freddie's character was based on a sleep demon that was suspected in the deaths of young men somewhere in Southeast Asia (I don't remember the country) but in terms of the movie series, he is most closely related to the definition of a witch.
Aiden I think the reason for the star spangled banner playing is because back in the day when a television channel was going off the air that’s typically what they would play before signing off. Thanks for the reminder of exactly how old I am lol hope that helps and keep up the great work!
your pretty good at para narrating us the cliff notes, ive seen all these movies a million times and i genuinely enjoyed your analysis.
Back in the day when T.V. stations went off the air ; there was either a test pattern ( with or without noise) or America the Beautiful or The Star Spangled Banner was played as an end of day sign-off. Many T.V. stations may still do this.
In Moldovian/Russian culture, they say if you die in your dreams you will live a long life. It's what kept me from being terrified every time i died in my dreams, specifically after moving to America in the 90s and being told the same "if you die in your dreams you die in real life". Maybe it really was bc of this movie series.
Also, fave gibs is NCIS Gibs 😂
As a person who grew up during the 80's (I was born in '76), I can explain the Star Spangled Banner song playing. Back in the day, television programs didn't run 24-hours a day, so at a certain time, all the stations would stop broadcasting, & before they did, they would play that song. And it wasn't just one channel that shut down, it was all channels, of which there were a very small number (like three or four).
i consider the first episode of Freddy's Nightmares to be the very, very best piece of the franchise.
The Star Spangled Banner was playing because that's what used to play late at night when nothing was programmed overnight. God, I feel old!
Late at night when a TV station was about to go off air, they would play star spangled banner. I remember hearing this as a kid.
I know it's not Cannon, but a fan film I watched once decided that Freddy had come back to murder the parents that killed him but when the first one he goes after begs for her daughter's life he decides to go after their children
A witch is not what I thought about but your explanation is good. When I watched the original I always thought of Freddie as a Boogeyman type creature. Something that haunted dreams and feasted on fear.
This has probably my favorite runthrough of Freddy vs Jason
The only reason Lucid Dreamers couldn't perma-kill Freddy is because they lacked imagination. Just create a dream-weaving or dream prison artifact, use Freddy to bring him and it into the waking world, imprison him. No worries about him returning, he never dies to actually emerge again. Just imprisoned in the real world via his own power.
The Star Spangled Banner used to play when television stations would sign off for the night. Back in the old days, TV stations didn't have programming 24 hours a day, they'd usually end around midnight, and play the anthem. 😂
The STAR SPANGLED BANNER was playing on the TV because in the 80s network television went off the air at like midnight or 2 am and that song would play then you'd get a long beep and then white noise, so basically it's indicating that it's late at night.
I absolutely adore the idea of Freddy being a witch. Both this video and yours on Jason were a treat.
33:52 he’s sorta like a chaos daemon prince then.
The best way to kill (or neutralize permanently) a daemon prince is to put them in a necron tesseract vault (a pokeball but a cube). They can’t rejoin their patron god, they have no effect on the outside world and can’t do anything, they’re just stuck in that cube until someone or something lets them out.
Unless the Emperor of Mankind is about, he’s the Anathame to chaos.
You seem to be very knowledgeable of the nature of Daemons.
I have notified your local branch of the God Emperor's holy Inquisition.
Ive really enjoyed the series on the horror movies! Being an 80's kid, we didn't have access to all the lore like we do now!
It could be that whatever was Freddy is truly long gone. He may have started out like a witch, made his pact, and was demonically empowered. However, through the pact the demonic entities learned everything about Freddy that they needed to know so that they could use that to generate fear of him and keep the dream killer going.
According to lore selling your soul for power to do evil things is what accused witches were accused of.
The Star spangled banner is probably the end of the broadcasting day. I don't really remember when the movie came out, but I remember thinking that's what was occurring because TV was not available 24 hours a day.
Fun fact! The cases you mentioned early in the video, are in fact what the character was based upon as according to Wes craven
I believe that TV networks used to play the Star Spangled Banner right before they went off the air for the the night. I wasn't born yet, but I learned that from Lazy Masquerade's channel.
The original idea of Freddy vs. Jason would have added Ash Williams with freddy using the nercomonicon to raise all of Jason's victims, and then during the cabin fight scene, Hellraiser would have appeared and would have joined the fight dragging Kia to hell.
thats bullshit and ash was in no drafts of F v J. He was rumored to appear in a sequel. All the drafts have been discussed at length and the freddy cult was one of the longest held ideas through most of the drafts
@ms.carriage6867 I just heard that from a guy who I'm pretty sure is on the spectrum and obsesses over slashers and is extremely knowledgeable
@@HoosierDaddy2a He's got the different drafts all muddled up. There was one where Freddy and Jason end up fighting in hell only to be pulled apart by Pinhead with the line so gentlemen,what seems to be the problem. Ash was only mentioned as a possible in a possible sequel. Most drafts centered around a Freddy cult/cult leader/Freddy having worked at Crystal Lake and abused a younger Jason. They were total trash
@@ms.carriage6867 ah OK
The Star Spangled Banner was played around midnight or a couple hours after when the cable company shut down for the night then you just got a snowy white screen and a shhhhh noise until 6am. We didn't have 24hr cable television back in the 80s. Oh God I'm getting old lol.
Just found your channel and I’m loving it. You’re intelligent, you’re amusing, and you’re articulate. Very enjoyable!
The star Spangled banner was playing because that's how tv channels used to sign off for the night. It may have just been showing that it was late? Idk it may have been symbolic tho
I grew up watching nightmare on elm street while living on an elm street
I'm pretty sure Wes craven only wrote the 1st and 3rd. He had some input I think on 4 5 and 6 but didn't do much at all but collect a paycheck.
New nightmare is misunderstood and better than most people think.
Back when I cared about this franchise I had a theory: Krueger was a modern-day, postmodern monster whose power came from stories. His powers mainly involved the power of stories, and he had to establish a fictional circumstance as part of his attacks. There were probably "fiction demons" in there somewhere, but who knows? The clever bit about that is that he could use any kind of "reason he could come back" that could be imagined, usually borrowed from other stories; however, every version of him had a rationale that also created a weakness to be exploited to end that version of him. "I'm powered by your fear!" Okay, but your victim doesn't fear you. "Oh, then it's because my body's not buried correctly!" Well, now we've consecrated your burial. "Okay, now I'm powered by stolen souls!" Well, the souls are free now. On and on, until he runs out of stories or until someone creates a story he can't refute. This is all just my own notion, but it's about as valid as anything the IP owners have said.
Dont remember which video of his it was in, but reminds me of the 'voice' that told the homesteaders it was a old Indian spirit, then laughed that them, then said other stuff, and then that it was and old woman.
It finally left aftet the dad was dead and the one daughter didnt marry someone.
Or thats what i remember from the video.
Edit: it was the bell witch video.
While “it’s not necessary”… I would definitely sub to a higher tier on patreon to get summaries/reviews of more 80’s horror & thrillers!
I was at that perfect age where I had nightmares a lot. I made the mistake of watching all of these movies. I had Freddy nightmares for like 3 years. It was absurd really. I never thought it was gonna be like the movies and I’d die though. It was just like the movies though lol.
I have rarely had a nightmare but every single time I have it plays out the same way where I turn into the monster hunting down the monster that has chasing me to begin with.
Tl;dr:
The national anthem used to play at the end of the night right before going off air.
@19:29 the Star Spangled Banner used to play at the end of broadcast. Right before the test pattern. I know I'm speaking Greek, but there was a time when channels actually went off the air. And the test pattern I grew up with is the multi colored bars, my parents had the black and white Indian head.
This is such a great video. I do think that the original Freddy was something in reality, but was turned into a Tulpa or something similar through the guilt of the parents, and eventually becoming what we see.
I always enjoy your guidelines-compliant euphemisms. I lost it at "true meaning of friendship"
Really enjoy the thoroughness of your research and how you present information. Keep up the good work!
Much appreciated!
It is so weird that Freddy is such a likable villain until you get into his back story of molesting and torturing little kids.
I’ve always said that! I personally always hated Fredrick, both in concept and in appearance. Every time I see some wannabe edgy goth girl with a Kruger tattoo I always mentally compare that to getting a portrait of John W. Gacy permanently blasted on your thigh. Gross…
@@davemccage7918he's not real so it's completely different, hope that helps.
@@alicia5925 I mean yeah, I get what you’re saying; but if get a tattoo of Hitler’s fictional brother who’s also a Nazi doesn’t really matter if he’s real or not? Freddy represents a chomo, I can’t see why anyone would want a pedophile inked on their body. Unless….
[Law & Order SVU theme plays]
@@alicia5925 celebrating a real or fake pedo is weird. Hope that helps? Seriously, there was no need to be an ass.
@@nathanrosman-bakehouse359 dude you're just as much of an ass
First of all, I’d like to say, thank you very much for watching all that, and explaining it, because I wouldn’t dare sit through any of it anymore but I was curious of the backstory. Second, I am from the generation of Freddy. nightmare on elm street and I just wanted to say thank you I went through the same process you did only using just the first movie and I agree with you Freddy is a witch. That’s the only thing he can be for your aforementioned reasons.😊 Great job oh, sidenote, in 1984 cable was just breaking through so the Star-Spangled Banner always played on the three main networks at the end of their broadcasting day!🇺🇸
Omg I felt SO OLD when you didn’t know why the star spangled banner was playing on the tv lol…. back in the old days, the tv stations actually went off the air at like 1 or 2 am and right before it would go off for the night, the star spangled banner would play and then it would go to static…. weird times lol
He always comes back...
Freddie was based off of the hat man. There’s a topic for a whole video. And I have died several times in my dreams the same way. I would get shot then start to drift off out of my body and would actually start to see an arial view while slowly fading to black then would wake up. Happened at least three times I can remember
So on the idea of Freddy being labeled in the realm of a witch. I can't disagree with this or refute it. However, I would like to bring to mind the newer idea of the Revenant aspect. It quite literally is the only thing that comes to mind here as his original intention after dying is to gain revenge on the people living on Elm Street for his destruction. That's about all I have though.
19:23 around that time television channels would often sign off at the end of the broadcasting day by playing the national anthem. Maybe it was included to establish that the scene was late at night?
In the 2nd film Robert Englund isn't even in half of it. That's why Mark Patton's name is above his in the credits. They hired someone else, thinking they'd get by cheaper, and whoever that was was a joke. They finally hired Robert back and cut in scenes with him. Robert Englund has MADE this character, the way his moves, the way he walks (slightly leaning to the right side because of the weight of the glove - that was him), his voice, the laugh, the snark. No one is going to replace him. UNLESS they do it the way Robert has suggested. Also the director for 2 was well known to be the real nightmare, and really messed up some people's lives with his BS.
First Jason now Freddy
If Michael myers is the next guy I'm getting a Bingo on my horror card
Freddy Krueger really was the original William Afton
He always comes back
-child murder
-weakness to fire
-only villain from the era to be pure evil
Yup, checks out
Explanation to the star spangled banner.....
In the 80s, not all TV stations had all-night programming. Some of them went "off air." At the end of the programming, they would end the day with the star spangled banner just before the static & white noise took over.
Wes Craven got the concept of Freddie killing in dreams from a real life events. A family from Cambodia had a teen son who was terrified to sleep, he believed he’d die if he did. When they finally got him to sleep he died. There had been over 100 similar deaths in the 80s, I think all healthy SE Asian men between 25-45. I was thinking Freddie had more Tulsa vibes but your reasoning for a witch is pretty accurate. In the 1st movie Nancy never found the house key, she called Glenn’s house to speak to her dad & her dad broke down the front door after she set Freddie on fire. Nancy also introduced taking Hypnosil to suppress Freddie, she had been taking it & recommended it for the kids she was working with at Weston Hills, in the 3rd movie.
TV channels used to go off air and stop broadcasting, usually around midnight, and to sign off most channels would show a flag waving and play the national anthem. I'm not sure about any symbolism but that scene would have signalled to the audience that it was midnight. You know, spooky time.
Yes. It was also seen in Poltergeist, two years before NonElmst.
In Japanese lore, humans can become demons or curses depending on what they were thinking about before they died or even a yokai
Your username is eerily similar to that of my quest partner in Duolingo...😅
I use it daily as a small part of my Japanese study for the past 3½ years. Coincidences are fun!
Guess I gotta do some digging on Japanese lore
@@TheLoreLodge LoreLodge exploring Japanese youkai sounds like a blast!
When a TV station would go off the air late at night, many channels would play the Star-Spangled Banner as a way of signing off. A bit of outro music, if you will. Set to a scene of the American flag waving proudly in the breeze.
What makes most sense to me after watching your breakdown (though I haven't watched all the movies) is that what makes Freddy so terrifying is that there is no singular explanation that truly makes sense. Similar to what's said about Michael Meyers being more scary in the first few movies when there wasn't an explanation for how he was the way he was. The unknown or lack of clarity of it all enhanced the horror.
You deserve an award for putting yourself through the torture of watching these movies.
In the 80s TV only stayed on for so long, the channel would say "we now conclude our broadcast day," the national anthem would play, then the test pattern from the fallout games would appear with a high pitched eeeeeeeeeeeeee. Imagine that, at one time TV wasn't on 24/7.
I’m not sure the bit about ghosts pivoting around 31:16 is quite right. Those are modern paranormal theories about ghosts. But folklorically there are plenty of stories of “vengeful ghosts”, and of seeing dead family members, friends, etc. (ie. ghosts) in dreams. In the latter case there are frequently also parallel phenomena occurring outside of the dream(s) that make the happenings overtly supernatural. One example is the classic folkloric vampire story where your dead uncle or sibling or whatever comes and presses on your chest at night, and then you suddenly come down with consumption. I think Freddy Krueger is actually pretty classic as a malevolent ghost. There are aspects of him that seem demonic, but that was the case with folkloric vampires as well.
My headcanon is that the original Freddy was a ghost. That ghost was then neutralized. But the people of Elm street unintentionally created a collective thought-form, or egregore, of Freddy. This egregore is what from that point on plagues Elm Street. And changing beliefs about this egregore change its powers, and weaknesses.
I know he's not the Hat Man, but I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Hat Man, given his hat and affinity for sleep.
26:42 Cheers, mate. Thank you.
Pirates' Gibbs is definitely my favorite.
The Star Spangled banner playing, means it is after 2 am. Back in the day most tv stations would stop regular programming at 2 3 am and switch to infomercials.
I’m one of your Gen X subscribers. I saw the original when I was 11 in 1985. Scared the crap out of me. Watching them again they just crack me up.
Also Robert England (who plays Freddie) is such an unassuming guy. Loved him in “V”
I love this breakdown!!! As a 45yo who was terrified of Freddy for much of my child and teen years (my sister literally sat on me and forced me to watch No. 3 when I was only 7!!!) it's awesome to see this being broken down in such a comedic way!!!
I've died in my dreams and then experienced a state of total nothingness followed by a rush of conciousness when I woke back up. Its one of the most disorientating feelings that I have experienced and I can't explain what "nothing" felt like other than it was like even less than silent darkness
Wes Craven was actually inspired by true events. Young refugees from Cambodia were dying in their sleep from being so scared. He saw the article and made that personified.
Also, also, thc will actually suppress dreams while sleeping. It's used a lot to help people with C-PTSD, PTSD, and other trauma based diagnosis sleep. It's one of the few ways I can sleep fitfully and not think about what my cats do when I'm not around. Sleep. They sleep. That's it.
Do I already know everything that has to do with freddy Krueger and have seen multiple breakdowns of the character? Yes. Will I watch this over hour long video about him? Also yes.
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The reason the star bangled banner is playing is because back in the day once the last normal vroadvast show has ended for the night the star bangled banner would play the. The tv would cut to static until roughly 4-6am before the next days normal broadcast would pick back up
Its symbolism kid stayed up late at night watching david letterman haha
I’ve died in a dream, it just made me respawn
At the end of the broadcast day tv stations used to play the star spangled banner before the aired the test patter. So it was probably 2 am
Ok if all the lore lodge episodes, can someone animate this one? I just wanna see Jason going “oh you don’t have NEARLY enough holes” and “this flat bed just won’t do”
This very morning (12/1/23) i was putting (a lot) of gas in my car and doing Freddy and Joker imitations for the other people pumping their gas. Not easy to do Freddy because it seems as if his voice is always in flux, even within a single sentence.
I have died in a dream.
The dream took place in the Apocalypse, when I died it transitioned into the spiritual side of the Apocalypse. It eventually faded to black and I woke up fine the next morning.
So, I don’t put stock into the whole “if you die in a dream, you die in real life”.
Did anyone else notice the name of the TV station that’s on at the psych ward in Freddy vs. Jason is station “KRGR”…like Krueger
At night during the 80s around midnight the channels would play star spangled banner before going off the air.
In the 80's early 90's when a Station ended it's Broadcast day they ALL played the Star Spangled Banner! Now you know, and Knowing is Half the Battle!
I think you hear the star spangled banner because after a certain time at night, tv networks would stop playing content and go “off air” some stations played that all night. Why? I dunno it was the 80’s lol
Star-Spangled Banner meant the station he was watching was going off air.