Setting aside the rights or wrongs of pulling down listed buildings, Eldon Square has been a huge economic success for Newcastle for over half a century. Which other listed buildings are you referring to Terry?
@@TynesideLife The old town hall , the arcade , the streets of Georgian houses for the badly designed central motorway , most of the haymarket , swan house roundabout…
@@englishterry8084 for clarity, I’m a staunch advocate for protecting historical listed buildings and I’m absolutely certain that Leazes Tce and St James Tce will remain intact. I just need to squeeze you on your original point. For our viewers, can you specify the listed buildings you refer to that have been sacrificed for failed progress? The old town hall was in such a poor state of repair the council were forced to relocate to the Civic Centre, the Arcade still remains, the Haymarket buildings were demolished for Eldon Square… So now we’re just down to the Central motorway and Swan house roundabout. I’m not sure many people would agree that this has been a failure for the city, or badly designed bearing in mind the rapid growth of vehicle use since the 70’s and I’m not convinced the demolished building were listed? Are you able to clarify Terry?
@TynesideLife I believe some listed buildings were lost in the 60s, they were taken down brick by brick and meant to be rebuilt elsewhere, unfortunately the bricks were numbered in chalk and a rainstorm washed off the numbers which meany rebuilding was no longer possible.. Its from before my time but my mother told the story.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my it’s true that occasionally a Grade II listed building can be moved but it’s rare. The oldest pub in Manchester is an example. A Grade I listed building has never been moved in England. I’m unaware of the story you give and I’m sure it’s not in Tyneside (if the story is true…)
No mate, it isn’t. I spread that nonsense theory in a video I did over two years ago and then a few days later released an apology video. Amongst other significant reasons, the club can’t relocate outside of the city centre without majority fan approval under new FA regulations.
@@TynesideLife ok but I admit it would be a reasonable option, just like West Ham had no space to expand at the Boleyn Ground so had to move much to my chagrin to the London Stadium
The West Ham stadium move is one example of why the government conducted a review regarding club owners making significant decisions over a clubs heritage assets without consulting fans. New FA regulations that came about as a result of this review put fans at the heart of decisions making and are now consulted. The HMRC may at first glance seem like a reasonable option, but as I found to my cost, isn’t and for a whole host of other reasons too. Thanks for watching 👍
@@TynesideLife thank you for your replies, it's always nice to have a discourse on mutually interesting subjects, I live in Sunderland but support West Ham, since as far as I recall, 1964. I still think the new Sunderland Stadium may also have been as case in point as you mentioned
I love that even though you are branching out with your content you still come back to keep us footy fans updated. You are a legend in your field good sir :)
I agree Eddie, they won’t want any adverse publicity and the expansion will and let’s be honest always was the cantilever over Gallowgate to have the three sides all the same. As for the East stand, Ithink it will get a facelift to get rid of the concrete look and that will be it.
I still don’t understand the historical significance of Leases and St James terrace. I’ve been throughout the UK and there are no shortage of similar buildings. But, that’s water under the bridge I guess. Thanks Eddy for asking the question and keeping us in the know.
Hello there great explanation on the feasibility of the extension of St James park.I was just wondering if you plan on making any videos about the planned extension of Newcastle airport.
Yeah read it in the Athletic Tim. Doesn’t say anything we don’t already know and still waiting for Darren Eales to announce plans. I’m firmly expecting expansion plans to be revealed
Fellow ex RAF lad here 👍🏻 interesting video. I’ve often wondered how NUFC would approach expansion. We have plenty of teams in this country where the stadia is built in residential areas, where you wouldn’t dream of building a stadium from scratch now.
Surely they wouldn't approach a property owner whilst doing a feasibility study, they would liaise with experts in historic buildings and specialist architects and property law etc. what useful information is the property owner going to offer them, other than whether or not they like the proposition - which would surely only come after a positive study?
The owners own the buildings mate. They’re the first point of contact and wouldn’t be approached for information, they’d be approached if our club owners were interested in purchasing the buildings. Now that we know that our owners have declared an expansion and the feasibility study is complete, the lack of contact with the building owners is significant
@@TynesideLifeNo point the club approaches the property owners with a view to purchase before they know what they can and can't do with the buildings.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my erm, that’s the point of the video Chris. 😅 The processes of what can and can’t be done with listed buildings is already known. A feasibility study wasn’t needed for that. It has been widely reported that the feasibility study is now complete and an expansion is the plan. This outcome matches the research I made over seven videos, although I thought they may have gone with a rebuild in its current footprint. Time will be the validator but I’m negligibly certain that nothing will happen with the buildings and an expansion will go ahead without compromising their historical integrity
@@TynesideLifeMy point was more to do with the fact the club has still not made their minds up which of the options they were given they will pursue, if any of them. I think eventually the club will move to a different site unfortunately.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my oh I think they know exactly what they’re going to do. We just won’t get to hear about it for a while yet whist they draft their plans, drawings and submissions for planning purposes
Hi Eddie. I think it's looking pretty obvious that the Gallowgate will be extended, they could mirror the other stands, but they could equally opt to make it even higher, and perhaps give the exterior a properly grand look. That leaves the East Stand. It's not really fit for purpose in a modern stadium so I think they will rebuild this, and in doing so, they may be able to squeeze in a few more seats, maybe another 2 or 3 thousand. Should be possible to get it up to 65,000 but fully refurbed to the highest standards, it would be a nice ground. Maybe in future they'll relax rules on standing, and it may be able possible to squeeze in a few more in standing areas.
Hi Paul, I’m of the view that they may build a higher Gallowgate stand like you say and rebuild the East Stand too. Unfortunately it can’t be any higher than it is now, so a few extra seats may only be a few hundred more at most. I’m of the view that a 60K+ stadium is very much closer to 60K and probably less than 62
2 things. Aren't those buildings basically run down unless viewed from the front? And thanks for keeping us Americans in touch with happenings around the Newcastle/NE area and the club. It's appreciated.
Cheers for the update Eddie, and keeping us all updated. Keep up the good graft pal. 👏🏼 am hoping to bump into you at a game sometime to maybe have a pint.
Hi Eddie, great video, thanks for keeping us updated. Have you heard anything about or considered any video on a training complex and a youth facility? I’ve been saying we should have made that a priority IMHO as it is a quicksilver, easy gain, PSR deductible attracts signings and helps reduce injuries. I’ve seen there are a couple of large estates on the market, in the thousands of acres region just to the north west of the city, around 30-40 minutes away from the stadium that look perfect. Few farms on each so ideally placed to control access and reduce planning issues.
There was no reason to talk to the owners of those buildings in a feasibility study, and I don't see that as any revelation. The legal requirements concerning Listed buildings is readily accessible without speaking to the owners.
Any future of the buildings start with the owners. The club couldn’t make any progress regarding them without purchasing them first. I cover the technical legalities in some depth in previous stadium videos 👍🏻
Thanks for the update Eddie. It made me wonder what if it was possible to drop the pitch down say 100 feet and build seats all round the stadium with an entrance at the old stadium James metro. If they could do this then it would not interfere with the Leazes terrace are. Just an idea. Seems there could only be two choices. Lot of talk about building up, haven’t heard anything about dropping the level down.
Cheers Eddy, good update. I don't bother looking at any articles in the press online about expansion as it's probably made up. I just wait till you upload a video for the facts.
Interesting Eddie and it does leave you wondering? That seems to only leave the Gallowgate which I’m assuming means only 3-4 thousand extra seats? That’s way short of the 60,000 + that everyone would like. Saying that I’ve always believed a solution would be found especially with these owners
Hi Alan, it depends on the height of a heightened Gallowgate which could bring around 6-7K extra, make it taller than Leazes and Milburn, plus heightened corners… I’m sure the architects have figured something out though
another great podcast eddy lad 👍 the club might still be talking to architects, cost surveyors and structural engineers to see if anything could be built before they approach the owner of the adjacent listed properties
That was part of the feasibility study which is now complete. The information reveals that any new extension will not interfere with the listed buildings, as I can see.
Thanks Eddie , you look fit and well. Not a fan but Newcastle need the increased capacity more than ever in this league where clubs like City , Villa and Everton are all expanding their capacity to around 60,000 and in the case of Man City to 62,500. Liverpool, spurs , united , Arsenal all have grounds over 60,000.
I dont get what shocking details this video is giving away about the feasibility study? my uncle who is an architect informs me on most feasibility studys cant contact other building owners by law unless their plans directly impact those said buildings which then would require council approvel to approach. which draws the conclusion newcastles plans dont impact those buildings at all. so this to me sounds like absolute great news which means plans could be moving quicker than most expected.
Its not unusual that the owners will not have been consulted at a feasibility stage point. The consultants tasked with the job will be looking at the 'ifs' and the 'hows' of the technicalities of expanding the stadium first and foremost and I suspect the metro line below is the biggest engineering issue. Only once a feasible design has been done would they then start approaching building owners and engaging with Historic England to start the conversation about buying (and demolishing!) properties. You certainly wouldn't want to do it the other way, asking the residents first if they could knock their homes down only to find out that the stand couldn't be extended anyway.
It seems you may be late to the Tyneside Life Channel and be tempted to make assumptions on what you think I may, or may not understand. I’ve have a stadium expansion playlist where I discuss a whole range of topics regarding expansion, possible relocation etc. this is on a legal, historical and conservation level. For clarity, I’m negligibly certain St James Tce won’t be interfered with and absolutely certain Leazes Tce won’t. You may not be aware but Owners of listed buildings can’t give permission for their buildings to be demolished. That needs to be done through Historic England and through Parliament too for Grade I buildings. The owners however can be approached (in principle) on their likelihood of selling. Thank you for watching the video 👍🏻
If you’ve seen the recent Bondibot video they’ve considered elevating the pitch and to the north-east to accommodate space for the east stand but also allow some room for the exhibition stand. Given the format of the video, they weren’t able to include the fact that the listed buildings behind need natural light in order for the expansion to be acceptable. But I do like the idea of the apparent Leazes Park Stadium concept, but again that’ll open up a whole new can of worms. I think you mentioned in a recent video that Newcastle will never be able to build a new stadium in Leazes Park. So quite a canny kettle of fish the club is in. I would build a new stadium on the former HMRC site as it provides sufficient land area and there’s also Metro stations and transport links nearby for fans. But that’s a whole new conversation to be had!
Hi Lee , the Bondibot video is for entertainment purposes only. It has no basis in reality. There are several significant flaws with it. The club can’t (and won’t) move out of the city centre and the reasons why are covered in video 7 of my series. If you’re keen to understand this topic in more depth, I’ve researched this more than any other, including mainstream journalists, or other channels 👍🏻
Just because he owns the buildings club would only need to contact with them any negotiations on price. Feasibility wouldn't need current owners imput at all. Would be done on what the grade listing restrictions mean to the area (would be a shame if it went on fire mysteriously)and the overall market value of the land and buildings themselves. So the fact current owners know nothing about it doesn't mean it is or isn't going to happen.
Contacting them re sounding them out on potential purchase was my thoughts. Time will be the validation but I’m negligibly certain that our club won’t attempt to buy the buildings, all things taken into consideration 👍🏻
Read something about them poslibly making Europe, Man U, Chairman also owns Leon. Not allowed to both be in same European Cup Comp... Could be wrong...
TBH Eddie, I’m surprise you’re surprised the property owner wasn’t approached. They’re listed buildings - end of. Nothing the club can do about that regardless of who’s owning surely. 🤔
You’re surprised because you misunderstand the meaning bud. I’ve covered the law regarding listed buildings quite comprehensively in some previous videos and the process of what can and can’t be done with them, ownership etc, particularly Leazes Tce (Grade I). If the club owners were motivated in that direction, they could conceivably buy the buildings and repurpose them, or in special circumstances make an application (once purchased) to have St James’ Tce demolished if the council and Heritage England agreed. So, there are limited options and I’m certainly not advocating that direction, I’m just reporting and providing an update. Nothing in a million years will happen to Leazes Tce but they could be bought by our owners and repurposed. That still wouldn’t alter anything regarding the East Stand. I cover these topics quite deeply in my other videos if you’re of a mind to understand a bit more. 👍🏻
China has the Quzhou Stadium which is built partly underground. I wonder if something like that could be the answer? Although ours would need to be much bigger and deeper underground.
I think after the 2028 euros if we’re starting to be a consistent top 4 side and selling out the expanded stadium the owners will probably have to relocate as the east stand simply is standing in the way of significant progress. Reckon we have 10-15 years max left at SJP as long as the PIF remain so let’s enjoy it while it lasts
There’s no land to relocate to Dan and the owners can’t move out of the city centre without majority fan approval. I cover these points in depth in my recent 7 part series
@@TynesideLife I watched all of the series Eddie and I get what your saying. Given a 10-15 year window there could be opportunities to encroach into Leazes park if the trend of funding cut backs and deterioration of it continues. PIF funding to restore and improve could, in the future be a viable option where I appreciate it’s not at present.
That’s the only feasible option bud and I discuss this in video 7. It would only be a small encroachment of around 20m into the South end of the park Even that wouldn’t make a significant difference to the capacity
Rather strange hes not aware of anything imo yes the club might not of contracted him but still he must of heard things about the area and wanting to update stadium
Eddie Howe is still learning and to have dealt with all those injuries and finish where we did that was amazing, things were out of his hands bar the Liverpool at home game, amazing manager, can’t wait for a couple of more seasons to pass so our squad gets better, FFP/Prem league haven’t got a scooby, self sufficient clubs with money can’t spend it on their clubs, penalised for making a team better, absolute joke!
We can only spend what we earn bud, just like every other club. Tapping into funds that belong to our owners isn’t the definition of a self sufficient club, or part of our own self generated commercial revenue
The buildings don’t belong to the council but of course, decisions about their upkeep etc lays with Heritage England and the council. I know enough about the buildings and their status to make an informed decision about them. And I’m a nobody. If I had a genuine interest in involving the building owners in some way regarding an expansion, or may be interested in purchasing them, then due diligence would suggest I contact them. The club have ended their feasibility study and it’s been widely publicised that they’re motivated to expand the stadium so a lack of contact with the building owners is very telling in my view.
Thanks for the update. Doesn't seem like anything will change for quite a while. Same old St James' for a few years, I think. I'd be interested in a Stack update though - still on track?
Fair hope in future to grow old owners team said it was what 40 mil to do the expansion for a stadia he could not fill? Daft cheap reinvestment strategy we escaped with buy by PIF. Better then the peter kennyon smoke mirrors and time payments
I just think they knew building that way would be far too much... can't blame them Think gallowgate end is the best way. Fair play to the owners etc on the decision
@@TynesideLife yes I know this Eddie what I’m saying is you would think they the pif might of contacted them to see what they can do as we know the pif have the higher power. So it could be possible they have contacted them and came up with a solution of letting natural light in if they build a new stand. Saudi owners would be more negotiable with one of their own 😉
@@Wheyayemanchannel the decision on what can and can’t happen regarding encroachment of a grade 1 listed building doesn’t lay with the owner, regardless of who it is. The Secretary of State for culture at Parliament level in conjunction with Heritage England can only make those decisions. Any significant alterations would lead to a costly and lengthy public enquiry. Grade I listed buildings are of the highest significant historical interest and are fiercely protected. A football stadium is just a football stadium. No Grade I listed structure in history has ever been allowed to be compromised, unless it is in such a poor state of repair it renders it dangerous. Forget about Leazes Tce mate 👍🏻
Been a great season giving all the players been out for what ever reasons. Eddies done wonders and we very lucky to have him as at manager. Brilliant times a head. Ps psg couldn’t do anything with us we out played them. Great video as always
Wish we could knock down st james terrace, it isnt even that nice. Or even move it across to the barker and stonehouse site which is being sold. We could have a full strawberry corner, and half the east stand higher, akin to the one stand at notts forest. Even though i was 0/12 tries for games this season with the ballot, id rather this be the case than have a soulless 60k corporate bowl like every other stadium in europe now.
Id like to know if the club bought Leazes terrace. Can the flats in Leazes terrace be turned into business use and integrated into the design like a hotel/ Club shop etc... or even be built over the top of as if it was for business use they may not need to adhere to light and noise restrictions. This would mean that the listed buildings remained intact.
I'm glad they can't be built over. Just move the stadium and leave listed buildings completely alone. The history of the club and its site means nothing to me compared to historical parts of Newcastle. Also you can be as close as close can be with someone, doesn't mean they'll tell you everything. I agree with the man who talked about the hush money.
@@dianethompson209 hi Diane, not being told everything is a far cry from being completely lied to, having received ‘hush money’. I’ve most definitely received authentic information and the passage of time will verify this. There was nothing else to tell 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife so they’ve got access to enough money to pay off the national debt but can’t buy any players cause if something called financial fair play and we can’t build a new stadium which is one of the few ways around that problem. Why can’t leazes park be moved, surely the locality can’t be sentimentality attached to that dogshit ridden carbuncle.
It’s amazing Newcastle council pulled down and destroyed so many listed buildings in the name of so called progress which failed miserably …
Setting aside the rights or wrongs of pulling down listed buildings, Eldon Square has been a huge economic success for Newcastle for over half a century.
Which other listed buildings are you referring to Terry?
@@TynesideLife The old town hall , the arcade , the streets of Georgian houses for the badly designed central motorway , most of the haymarket , swan house roundabout…
@@englishterry8084 for clarity, I’m a staunch advocate for protecting historical listed buildings and I’m absolutely certain that Leazes Tce and St James Tce will remain intact.
I just need to squeeze you on your original point. For our viewers, can you specify the listed buildings you refer to that have been sacrificed for failed progress?
The old town hall was in such a poor state of repair the council were forced to relocate to the Civic Centre, the Arcade still remains, the Haymarket buildings were demolished for Eldon Square…
So now we’re just down to the Central motorway and Swan house roundabout. I’m not sure many people would agree that this has been a failure for the city, or badly designed bearing in mind the rapid growth of vehicle use since the 70’s and I’m not convinced the demolished building were listed? Are you able to clarify Terry?
@TynesideLife I believe some listed buildings were lost in the 60s, they were taken down brick by brick and meant to be rebuilt elsewhere, unfortunately the bricks were numbered in chalk and a rainstorm washed off the numbers which meany rebuilding was no longer possible.. Its from before my time but my mother told the story.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my it’s true that occasionally a Grade II listed building can be moved but it’s rare. The oldest pub in Manchester is an example.
A Grade I listed building has never been moved in England.
I’m unaware of the story you give and I’m sure it’s not in Tyneside (if the story is true…)
Isnt the plan to move to the old HMRC base at Longbenton when the HMRC office opens in the city centre. It has good parking and metro links.
No mate, it isn’t. I spread that nonsense theory in a video I did over two years ago and then a few days later released an apology video. Amongst other significant reasons, the club can’t relocate outside of the city centre without majority fan approval under new FA regulations.
@@TynesideLife ok but I admit it would be a reasonable option, just like West Ham had no space to expand at the Boleyn Ground so had to move much to my chagrin to the London Stadium
The West Ham stadium move is one example of why the government conducted a review regarding club owners making significant decisions over a clubs heritage assets without consulting fans. New FA regulations that came about as a result of this review put fans at the heart of decisions making and are now consulted. The HMRC may at first glance seem like a reasonable option, but as I found to my cost, isn’t and for a whole host of other reasons too. Thanks for watching 👍
@@TynesideLife thank you for your replies, it's always nice to have a discourse on mutually interesting subjects, I live in Sunderland but support West Ham, since as far as I recall, 1964. I still think the new Sunderland Stadium may also have been as case in point as you mentioned
Thanks for vocalising my thoughts on Howe
I love that even though you are branching out with your content you still come back to keep us footy fans updated. You are a legend in your field good sir :)
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I agree Eddie, they won’t want any adverse publicity and the expansion will and let’s be honest always was the cantilever over Gallowgate to have the three sides all the same. As for the East stand, Ithink it will get a facelift to get rid of the concrete look and that will be it.
I still don’t understand the historical significance of Leases and St James terrace. I’ve been throughout the UK and there are no shortage of similar buildings. But, that’s water under the bridge I guess. Thanks Eddy for asking the question and keeping us in the know.
Hello there great explanation on the feasibility of the extension of St James park.I was just wondering if you plan on making any videos about the planned extension of Newcastle airport.
Eddie , terrific article in the I newspaper today - 14 August, make sure you pick up a copy.
Yeah read it in the Athletic Tim. Doesn’t say anything we don’t already know and still waiting for Darren Eales to announce plans.
I’m firmly expecting expansion plans to be revealed
It could be the owner of the property has been asked to keep quiet as part of the purchase of these properties.
He hasn’t Derek
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Fellow ex RAF lad here 👍🏻 interesting video. I’ve often wondered how NUFC would approach expansion. We have plenty of teams in this country where the stadia is built in residential areas, where you wouldn’t dream of building a stadium from scratch now.
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Surely they wouldn't approach a property owner whilst doing a feasibility study, they would liaise with experts in historic buildings and specialist architects and property law etc. what useful information is the property owner going to offer them, other than whether or not they like the proposition - which would surely only come after a positive study?
The owners own the buildings mate. They’re the first point of contact and wouldn’t be approached for information, they’d be approached if our club owners were interested in purchasing the buildings.
Now that we know that our owners have declared an expansion and the feasibility study is complete, the lack of contact with the building owners is significant
@@TynesideLifeNo point the club approaches the property owners with a view to purchase before they know what they can and can't do with the buildings.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my erm, that’s the point of the video Chris. 😅
The processes of what can and can’t be done with listed buildings is already known. A feasibility study wasn’t needed for that.
It has been widely reported that the feasibility study is now complete and an expansion is the plan. This outcome matches the research I made over seven videos, although I thought they may have gone with a rebuild in its current footprint.
Time will be the validator but I’m negligibly certain that nothing will happen with the buildings and an expansion will go ahead without compromising their historical integrity
@@TynesideLifeMy point was more to do with the fact the club has still not made their minds up which of the options they were given they will pursue, if any of them. I think eventually the club will move to a different site unfortunately.
@@ChrisPBacon-iu8my oh I think they know exactly what they’re going to do. We just won’t get to hear about it for a while yet whist they draft their plans, drawings and submissions for planning purposes
They've probably been told that nothing can be done with the listed buildings so approaching their owners is a pointless step.
They are lovely buildings
They are.
Mosques . . .
Great update on all things NUFC. Cheers Eddy. 😀
Hi Eddie. I think it's looking pretty obvious that the Gallowgate will be extended, they could mirror the other stands, but they could equally opt to make it even higher, and perhaps give the exterior a properly grand look. That leaves the East Stand. It's not really fit for purpose in a modern stadium so I think they will rebuild this, and in doing so, they may be able to squeeze in a few more seats, maybe another 2 or 3 thousand. Should be possible to get it up to 65,000 but fully refurbed to the highest standards, it would be a nice ground. Maybe in future they'll relax rules on standing, and it may be able possible to squeeze in a few more in standing areas.
Hi Paul, I’m of the view that they may build a higher Gallowgate stand like you say and rebuild the East Stand too. Unfortunately it can’t be any higher than it is now, so a few extra seats may only be a few hundred more at most.
I’m of the view that a 60K+ stadium is very much closer to 60K and probably less than 62
Always so informative Eddy. Thumbs up as always. Thanks for the update.
Defo going to be a new stadium. It will probably not be on the footprint of the present ground. These type of owners will want to think big!
Great video, is it possible that the club have shelved expansion plans and will go for a new stadium instead.
You mean a rebuild in current footprint?
2 things. Aren't those buildings basically run down unless viewed from the front? And thanks for keeping us Americans in touch with happenings around the Newcastle/NE area and the club. It's appreciated.
Cheers bud. The buildings are absolutely fine 👍🏻
The fact they haven’t been approached it quite clear that they don’t intend to stay at SJP
Cheers for the update Eddie, and keeping us all updated. Keep up the good graft pal. 👏🏼 am hoping to bump into you at a game sometime to maybe have a pint.
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Hi Eddie, great video, thanks for keeping us updated.
Have you heard anything about or considered any video on a training complex and a youth facility? I’ve been saying we should have made that a priority IMHO as it is a quicksilver, easy gain, PSR deductible attracts signings and helps reduce injuries.
I’ve seen there are a couple of large estates on the market, in the thousands of acres region just to the north west of the city, around 30-40 minutes away from the stadium that look perfect. Few farms on each so ideally placed to control access and reduce planning issues.
Hi mate, I’ve done 2 or 3 videos on this and they’re in my Stadium playlist. I think you’ll find them very interesting 👍🏻
thanks for the update Ed. As usual you produce original, researched content not just a regurgitation of Sky sports news.
There was no reason to talk to the owners of those buildings in a feasibility study, and I don't see that as any revelation. The legal requirements concerning Listed buildings is readily accessible without speaking to the owners.
Any future of the buildings start with the owners. The club couldn’t make any progress regarding them without purchasing them first.
I cover the technical legalities in some depth in previous stadium videos 👍🏻
Thanks for the update Eddie. It made me wonder what if it was possible to drop the pitch down say 100 feet and build seats all round the stadium with an entrance at the old stadium James metro.
If they could do this then it would not interfere with the Leazes terrace are.
Just an idea. Seems there could only be two choices. Lot of talk about building up, haven’t heard anything about dropping the level down.
They can’t dig down bud as trigonometry dictates spreading out and we don’t have the space.
We’ve already been informed of an expansion to around 60K
Great eddy , Always great to follow you bud, 👍 Thanks for the update
Nice one eddy. Did you give those lads a talking too 😂
Keep an eye on planning for an early warning of any changes
Cheers Eddy, good update. I don't bother looking at any articles in the press online about expansion as it's probably made up. I just wait till you upload a video for the facts.
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Brilliant content Eddie and information ❤️👍🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍
Interesting Eddie and it does leave you wondering? That seems to only leave the Gallowgate which I’m assuming means only 3-4 thousand extra seats? That’s way short of the 60,000 + that everyone would like. Saying that I’ve always believed a solution would be found especially with these owners
Hi Alan, it depends on the height of a heightened Gallowgate which could bring around 6-7K extra, make it taller than Leazes and Milburn, plus heightened corners…
I’m sure the architects have figured something out though
another great podcast eddy lad 👍 the club might still be talking to architects, cost surveyors and structural engineers to see if anything could be built before they approach the owner of the adjacent listed properties
That was part of the feasibility study which is now complete. The information reveals that any new extension will not interfere with the listed buildings, as I can see.
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@TynesideLife Eddie, could it be the extension plans are limited to the gallowgate for now? Would that potentially take us to 60k capacity?
@@PaulF803 yeah probably with the corners heightened too 👍🏻
Another good and informative article. Well done, Eddie. Keep it up.
Thanks for keeping us informed Eddy!
Thanks Eddie , you look fit and well. Not a fan but Newcastle need the increased capacity more than ever in this league where clubs like City , Villa and Everton are all expanding their capacity to around 60,000 and in the case of Man City to 62,500. Liverpool, spurs , united , Arsenal all have grounds over 60,000.
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The PSG game was the best game ive ever been to the atmosphere was unreal for the entire game
I dont get what shocking details this video is giving away about the feasibility study? my uncle who is an architect informs me on most feasibility studys cant contact other building owners by law unless their plans directly impact those said buildings which then would require council approvel to approach. which draws the conclusion newcastles plans dont impact those buildings at all. so this to me sounds like absolute great news which means plans could be moving quicker than most expected.
Its not unusual that the owners will not have been consulted at a feasibility stage point. The consultants tasked with the job will be looking at the 'ifs' and the 'hows' of the technicalities of expanding the stadium first and foremost and I suspect the metro line below is the biggest engineering issue. Only once a feasible design has been done would they then start approaching building owners and engaging with Historic England to start the conversation about buying (and demolishing!) properties. You certainly wouldn't want to do it the other way, asking the residents first if they could knock their homes down only to find out that the stand couldn't be extended anyway.
It seems you may be late to the Tyneside Life Channel and be tempted to make assumptions on what you think I may, or may not understand. I’ve have a stadium expansion playlist where I discuss a whole range of topics regarding expansion, possible relocation etc. this is on a legal, historical and conservation level.
For clarity, I’m negligibly certain St James Tce won’t be interfered with and absolutely certain Leazes Tce won’t.
You may not be aware but Owners of listed buildings can’t give permission for their buildings to be demolished. That needs to be done through Historic England and through Parliament too for Grade I buildings.
The owners however can be approached (in principle) on their likelihood of selling.
Thank you for watching the video 👍🏻
I suspect a complete rebuild slightly moving the pitch and its orientation
That was my eventual view on this but it has been widely reported that they’re going for expansion of the current stadium
If you’ve seen the recent Bondibot video they’ve considered elevating the pitch and to the north-east to accommodate space for the east stand but also allow some room for the exhibition stand. Given the format of the video, they weren’t able to include the fact that the listed buildings behind need natural light in order for the expansion to be acceptable. But I do like the idea of the apparent Leazes Park Stadium concept, but again that’ll open up a whole new can of worms. I think you mentioned in a recent video that Newcastle will never be able to build a new stadium in Leazes Park. So quite a canny kettle of fish the club is in. I would build a new stadium on the former HMRC site as it provides sufficient land area and there’s also Metro stations and transport links nearby for fans. But that’s a whole new conversation to be had!
Hi Lee , the Bondibot video is for entertainment purposes only. It has no basis in reality. There are several significant flaws with it.
The club can’t (and won’t) move out of the city centre and the reasons why are covered in video 7 of my series.
If you’re keen to understand this topic in more depth, I’ve researched this more than any other, including mainstream journalists, or other channels 👍🏻
Just because he owns the buildings club would only need to contact with them any negotiations on price. Feasibility wouldn't need current owners imput at all. Would be done on what the grade listing restrictions mean to the area (would be a shame if it went on fire mysteriously)and the overall market value of the land and buildings themselves. So the fact current owners know nothing about it doesn't mean it is or isn't going to happen.
Contacting them re sounding them out on potential purchase was my thoughts.
Time will be the validation but I’m negligibly certain that our club won’t attempt to buy the buildings, all things taken into consideration 👍🏻
Read something about them poslibly making Europe, Man U, Chairman also owns Leon. Not allowed to both be in same European Cup Comp... Could be wrong...
Would not benefit Newcastle, would only drop ManU to Conference and Chelsea to Europa.
Thanks for the update mate very interesting as always.
Grade 1...that sh%t aint going nowhere!!!
Time think again!!!
TBH Eddie, I’m surprise you’re surprised the property owner wasn’t approached. They’re listed buildings - end of. Nothing the club can do about that regardless of who’s owning surely. 🤔
You’re surprised because you misunderstand the meaning bud.
I’ve covered the law regarding listed buildings quite comprehensively in some previous videos and the process of what can and can’t be done with them, ownership etc, particularly Leazes Tce (Grade I).
If the club owners were motivated in that direction, they could conceivably buy the buildings and repurpose them, or in special circumstances make an application (once purchased) to have St James’ Tce demolished if the council and Heritage England agreed. So, there are limited options and I’m certainly not advocating that direction, I’m just reporting and providing an update.
Nothing in a million years will happen to Leazes Tce but they could be bought by our owners and repurposed. That still wouldn’t alter anything regarding the East Stand.
I cover these topics quite deeply in my other videos if you’re of a mind to understand a bit more. 👍🏻
China has the Quzhou Stadium which is built partly underground. I wonder if something like that could be the answer? Although ours would need to be much bigger and deeper underground.
Nice idea but your initial instinct is right I think. To dig down means to spread out
Very weird. I’d have thought they’d at least have mentioned it to the owners and explored the options.
I think after the 2028 euros if we’re starting to be a consistent top 4 side and selling out the expanded stadium the owners will probably have to relocate as the east stand simply is standing in the way of significant progress.
Reckon we have 10-15 years max left at SJP as long as the PIF remain so let’s enjoy it while it lasts
There’s no land to relocate to Dan and the owners can’t move out of the city centre without majority fan approval.
I cover these points in depth in my recent 7 part series
@@TynesideLife I watched all of the series Eddie and I get what your saying. Given a 10-15 year window there could be opportunities to encroach into Leazes park if the trend of funding cut backs and deterioration of it continues. PIF funding to restore and improve could, in the future be a viable option where I appreciate it’s not at present.
That’s the only feasible option bud and I discuss this in video 7. It would only be a small encroachment of around 20m into the South end of the park
Even that wouldn’t make a significant difference to the capacity
At this moment in the journey what do people think is the max number of fans we could attract on a week to week basis.
60k
70k
80k
90k
100 +k
Rather strange hes not aware of anything imo yes the club might not of contracted him but still he must of heard things about the area and wanting to update stadium
I interviewed him in a previous video, which I talk about in this one. Yes he’s aware of potential developments 👍🏻
Great video mate 👏
Eddie Howe is still learning and to have dealt with all those injuries and finish where we did that was amazing, things were out of his hands bar the Liverpool at home game, amazing manager, can’t wait for a couple of more seasons to pass so our squad gets better, FFP/Prem league haven’t got a scooby, self sufficient clubs with money can’t spend it on their clubs, penalised for making a team better, absolute joke!
We can only spend what we earn bud, just like every other club. Tapping into funds that belong to our owners isn’t the definition of a self sufficient club, or part of our own self generated commercial revenue
Maybe the owners got all the information from the council that they needed regarding the buildings.
The buildings don’t belong to the council but of course, decisions about their upkeep etc lays with Heritage England and the council.
I know enough about the buildings and their status to make an informed decision about them. And I’m a nobody.
If I had a genuine interest in involving the building owners in some way regarding an expansion, or may be interested in purchasing them, then due diligence would suggest I contact them.
The club have ended their feasibility study and it’s been widely publicised that they’re motivated to expand the stadium so a lack of contact with the building owners is very telling in my view.
A year ago since that interview. A year????? Wow.
Great information, Eddie.
Thank you Eddie .
Total revamp of the east stand needed
Aye, it’s an ugly stand
Thanks for the update. Doesn't seem like anything will change for quite a while. Same old St James' for a few years, I think. I'd be interested in a Stack update though - still on track?
Opening in August sometime bud 👍🏻
The East Stand is an absolute dump they have got to do something with it, literally college stadiums in the US are better.
I’m an advocate of having it rebuilt to higher specifications 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Spot on total rebuild
Another good watch
Looks like a new stadium
Probably a rebuild 👍🏻
The gallowgate end should be upgraded at st James park be good
Leazes terrace owned by newcastle university?
In part 👍🏻
chinese government .
@@krishnan-resurrection714 it’s owned by Newcastle university and a Saudi owner.
What did you do to those three youngsters? 😅
Chinned them mate 😃
This has gone on to long Eddie. I think they can’t do it and it will stay as a 52,000 stadium
It was always going to be a long drawn out process bud. These things take years in the planning
Fair hope in future to grow old owners team said it was what 40 mil to do the expansion for a stadia he could not fill? Daft cheap reinvestment strategy we escaped with buy by PIF. Better then the peter kennyon smoke mirrors and time payments
Talk about going round the houses.
I went around the stadium, not the houses. That was in a previous video 😃
Unless there been told to say nothing as I find that hard to believe
I know him Bruce. He hasn’t been approached by the club
I just think they knew building that way would be far too much... can't blame them
Think gallowgate end is the best way.
Fair play to the owners etc on the decision
All modern Stadium s are Soulless monstrosities.
Hello Eddy hope your well
Interesting, "oblivious". So it doesn’t sound like expansion that way.
Seems you’re probably right
Dont the council empty the bins?
Hi Eddie good video as always.
Is the grade1 listed building not owned by some Saudi people ?
Yes but not the PIF
@@TynesideLife yes I know this Eddie what I’m saying is you would think they the pif might of contacted them to see what they can do as we know the pif have the higher power.
So it could be possible they have contacted them and came up with a solution of letting natural light in if they build a new stand. Saudi owners would be more negotiable with one of their own 😉
@@Wheyayemanchannel the decision on what can and can’t happen regarding encroachment of a grade 1 listed building doesn’t lay with the owner, regardless of who it is.
The Secretary of State for culture at Parliament level in conjunction with Heritage England can only make those decisions. Any significant alterations would lead to a costly and lengthy public enquiry.
Grade I listed buildings are of the highest significant historical interest and are fiercely protected. A football stadium is just a football stadium. No Grade I listed structure in history has ever been allowed to be compromised, unless it is in such a poor state of repair it renders it dangerous.
Forget about Leazes Tce mate 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife cheers Eddie 😉
Been a great season giving all the players been out for what ever reasons. Eddies done wonders and we very lucky to have him as at manager. Brilliant times a head. Ps psg couldn’t do anything with us we out played them. Great video as always
Fantastic.x
New stadium incoming
Wish we could knock down st james terrace, it isnt even that nice. Or even move it across to the barker and stonehouse site which is being sold.
We could have a full strawberry corner, and half the east stand higher, akin to the one stand at notts forest.
Even though i was 0/12 tries for games this season with the ballot, id rather this be the case than have a soulless 60k corporate bowl like every other stadium in europe now.
Id like to know if the club bought Leazes terrace.
Can the flats in Leazes terrace be turned into business use and integrated into the design like a hotel/ Club shop etc... or even be built over the top of as if it was for business use they may not need to adhere to light and noise restrictions.
This would mean that the listed buildings remained intact.
The club haven’t bought Leazes Tce. They can’t be built over or encroached on in any way. They are historic buildings of the highest priority.
I'm glad they can't be built over. Just move the stadium and leave listed buildings completely alone. The history of the club and its site means nothing to me compared to historical parts of Newcastle. Also you can be as close as close can be with someone, doesn't mean they'll tell you everything. I agree with the man who talked about the hush money.
@@dianethompson209 hi Diane, not being told everything is a far cry from being completely lied to, having received ‘hush money’.
I’ve most definitely received authentic information and the passage of time will verify this. There was nothing else to tell 👍🏻
Haven't Heard A Badgers From You Eddie Hope Son...
...Toon Toon Black & White Army...
Just taking things easy Ian 👊🏻👍🏻
@@TynesideLife Good Man...
The initial excitement of the takeover is starting to fade a bit
I hope so Graham . Maybe the hype and unrealistic expectations will calm down 👍🏻
Mosques
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Give themDouble the value of the houses.keep the outside facade,turn into hotels bars and resturants.prob
lem solved😂
I actually covered this idea in a previous video 😅
Did you punch those lads out Eddie :D
Oh aye 👊🏻
Long winded
nothing burger.
Sorry to see you leave the channel
An extra 8k seats will make a big hole in the 20 k waiting list, had the chance to do something spectacular, horseshit
The club can’t move Davey
@@TynesideLife so they’ve got access to enough money to pay off the national debt but can’t buy any players cause if something called financial fair play and we can’t build a new stadium which is one of the few ways around that problem. Why can’t leazes park be moved, surely the locality can’t be sentimentality attached to that dogshit ridden carbuncle.
Another superb video Eddie,well researched and enlightening 🤍🖤