What's At Stake With The NASCAR Charter Agreement Still Looming? | Dale Jr. Download
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2024
- Jeff Gordon sat down with Dale Earnhardt Jr. to discuss his role at Hendrick Motorsports and his perspective on the NASCAR Charter Deal not being done yet.
He explains how it affects the sport from the team side and provides Dale Jr. with an interesting fact on Hendrick Motorsports' bottom line.
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Gordon has the capacity to listen...a lot of people don't or won't.
I followed NASCAR religiously for years... But when they brought in the playoffs and stages etc and God knows what else they've done.... I haven't watched this sport for years... Probably since 2003/2004 ish... I'm only here now because racing pops up in my you Tube feed... Racing now for me is MotoGP/WSBK and F1... Nascar used to be my #1
The start of the end of NASCAR was when they decided to go to the fans rather than having the fans coming to them. Fans will travel to a racetrack if it has proven to put on a good race, Bristol Talladega Dayton before 2010. The cut off their fan base to please a group of people that was not going to stick around.
You're absolutely right, going to the fans like allowing blm sponsor but not let's go brandon sponsor. Pushing for commiefornia races when all those commies want is to control Nascar like put mufflers on em and electric junk. It's too late Nascar you're on the way out of race fans.
I think part of the problem is NASCAR isn't run by people with racing background.
FACTS
i mean ben kennedy drove in the truck series but still
You might be onto something here. NASCAR has forgotten it's roots. Without the roots, that tree is going to die!
Corporate asshats
Jim France has forgotten more about running this sport than YOU ever knew!!! All he has to do is remind these teams exactly what Big Bill did to ALL of the drivers the last time they decided to strike!!!
NASCAR put TV networks & marketing groups ahead of their own fanbase that consumes the product…
With Jeff Gordon saying right now the teams don't have to show up at the track without a charter sounds like to me that the RTA is thinking about striking.
Nascar has the tracks, teams don’t have great leverage
Yeah definitely “strike” talk . . He’s tip toeing around the word but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens
@scottyoung7414 that maybe so but without drivers there is no Nascar.
@@1972lesteryan they would be hard pressed to find millions to field a full fleet of "replacements". It isn't like baseball or football where they can throw semi pro players and teams on the field.
This would be hilarious. Charters are the death of the sport. Go back to go hard or go home. Make teams earn their keep, and make the promoters and the league pay the winner his due.
The NASCAR owner and driver guys could capitalize on the discontent that the old sKool fans have for what NASCAR has become..
Feb. 2001 was the beginning of the end. NASCAR rode a wave for almost a decade in the wake. The lake is drying up. No rain in the forecast.
@@NeedsLessWedge they would just bring in a bunch local dudes with late models and or supply the crs for them
they did that for when dega first opened
Jeff is a very humble and down to earth person, we need someone like him running the show
Everything about this conversation made me feel that Nascar is doomed...
Nope - not doomed. Stuck in a rut is a better description. The France family is still making money - they figure - if they just squeeze hard enough - owners will eventually give up and just cut back their teams to a level that doesn't loose money. From the France family perspective - there is nothing else the owners can do if they want to stay in racing. F1 won't let any news teams in (see Andretti). Indycar isn't a good fit for most sponsors. IMSA is probably viable but again way too small to keep most sponsors interested. The only real option is start a new racing league - but where are you going to race? SMI and NASCAR own almost all the tracks. You could race at Indy, Road America, Gateway (WWTR), Circuit of the Americas, Pocono - after that you are going to short tracks NASCAR does not own, other dedicated road courses (Road Atlanta, Portland, VIR), the Milwaukee Mile and then street circuits. I don't think the owners or anyone believes you could make a viable series on those tracks - nothing that would compete at the Cup level.
@@jimboscBut where can the teams even cut back?? Nascar has already forced them to cut their entire chassis departments for heavens sake! Kyle Busch has like 12 different sponsors and RCR still can’t make a profit. Unless nascar gives them more money it won’t be sustainable. Nascar is only concerned about growing its brand hence Netflix, going international, etc. All that is great if they didn’t have a foundational problem. They arrogantly assume the teams will always just show up. They are so used to ruling with an iron fist for so long, it’s about time that they be humbled. When the sport was at its peak, it was more regional then then it is now. Not saying that’s the answer but you’ve provided plenty of tracks that they could go race at. If a split happened, I know I’d follow the teams all day! And I know there are plenty of like minded people because the sport wouldn’t be in the position that it is now if people weren’t sick and tired of Nascar’s BS and walked away! Rest assured if a split doesn’t happen this year, it will within the next 20 years. And only until that split happens will reconciliation and growth actually happen.
Nascar is the common denominator to the mess.
100% agree, they left their roots, and all you gotta do is look in the stands at every race and compare em to 25 years ago. The fans brought the money and the money aint there anymore.
@@alltree78keep their crappy racing product and keep their Bud Light
I personally feel NASCAR has abandoned the hard core race fans for the greed of a dollar, no more need to earn anything, we will just get tv to pay more for less. Not too long ago speed weeks meant something, now it just a few days in February. Gone are the days of watching teams tirelessly thrash on race cars to find one more hundredth of a second, swapping a motor out in the morning to go faster in the afternoon. No a team gets penalized for it. We used to get the Clash race, now the clash is run on a glorified go cart track where about the only thing the cars have in common to speedway cars is the paint schemes. We used to get hours of coverage filled with impromptu interviews, now if lucky enough to have the right cable package we might get to see a little racing and enough tv ads to support a small country. The you guys wonder why the fanbase has shrunk, compare the product you give us to how it was at your prime.
When I was a kid, I loved watching hours upon hours of practice, qualifying, actual good talk shows, raceday, etc. I loved learning all I could about the sport and the different drivers and team members. I literally could not get enough. Now, like you said, we're lucky to get a fraction of what we used to get 15-20 years ago and we have to watch 8 million ads on top it. They don't even make the fun ads with the drivers anymore. All the races start at 2:30 or later now, which I guess is good for the west coast fans, but I miss races starting at noon. They shouldn't even call it "speedweeks" anymore, it should be called "speed 5 days" since that's all it is. I hate what it has become, and I hate that I still love it so much that I watch every week and cling to all the good memories and hope that it will get better some day.
It’s scary to think that a team loses money for ten years straight.
Racing is doomed the moment someone expects to make money doing it, speaking in terms of a team owner. Obviously drivers make money.
Not just "a" team - probably all teams with the exception of Joe Gibbs Racing - Joe doesn't have a slew of businesses to do the B2B with as a funding model for his race team. He relies on Toyota and TRD to make ends meet - and I doubt he's losing money doing it. But they are probably the ONLY exception. From what I heard - the owners want more of the split but they are willing to take less of a bump if NASCAR puts money towards growing the sport (I assume that is mostly social media, streaming shows, and race promotion - based on what Gordon said). So far - and I think the media that covers NASCAR has confirmed this - NASCAR is offering a small bump in percentage to owners from the TV $$ - but they really don't want to be on the hook for spending more to develop the sport. They want to find partners to pay the cost (Netflix, iRacing pays NASCAR - so they don't have to put up any $$$) or push it to owners and independent tracks (non-NASCAR tracks) to foot the bill. I don't think we'll get the grand vision deal Gordon was describing. It will be a little more team % (which is not trivial given the increased TV deal overall), some token spending on media/streaming, and essentially keeping things about the same as they are. Why? Unlike the teams - NASCAR is still making money on the sport and has a bunch of assets like Chicagoland they can sell off if needed. They don't feel a need to take risks to keep making bank. And they figure eventually owners will give up and just spend less to stay in the sport.
I think Jeff hit it right on the head when he said when the sport was at it's peak the stands were filled. When it comes to Sponsorship deals they consider what their audience is all the above and it affects all of that. I personally feel as a fan the ticket prices are just to high. Shouldn't have to cost an arm and a leg to go to a Nascar event that's part of the reason the stands aren't filled. It's not just Nascar's fault it's who owns the racetracks that are deciding to jack up ticket prices. I also feel a lot of the people that talk about the marketing aspect of it all, they truly don't understand the Nascar fan and are all about demographics and were they can make the most money without even listening to the fan. That's the problem that has caused this to where we are today.
It costs like 50-70 dollars???
@@qqqqqqthree The Chicago Street race is going for 250+
@bond Its like the only race going for 250+, Bristol is $50, Texas is like $60-70, Kansas is ~$60-70, Martinsville is like $40, the list goes on. And that's not unusual for street courses, that's why fans hate street courses and especially hate F1 for their Vegas bs.
@@qqqqqqthree Yeah, they shouldn't of moved it from the Chicagoland race. It just sucks having to go out of State.
@@Gforcebond its one race out of the 36 races, you probably speak for the fans of Chicago but you dont speak for the rest of them
Dale looks like he is at the dealership buying a new car.And knowing no one can afford a new car now.
You want NASCAR back where it was then do away with the championship format and go back to points only and do away with these dumb stages. And take the car's back and cheaper again and put the race back into the driver's hands and you'll have huge superstars again.
I quit watching after the first chase. Stage racing is super dumb as well.
@@fuckcensorship69 most definitely, all's they did was hurt NASCAR. Now they'll never have a big breakout star like Johnson cause all the cars are exactly the same and with the stages there's no strategies anymore. You really don't even need a crew chief anymore.
@@fuckcensorship69clown And you was nothing but a f****** fake fan
@@AmericanPoliceCamsThe cars are not all exactly the same even though they might look like it But the setups and things are not the same
Preach🙌!
The "leverage" would be in unity. Nascar doesn't have a product if teams don't show up.
They can literally run xfinity as the cup series if they strike. Xfinity teams would absolutely take that payout
@@racecrazeBut the field would be gutted in half since those cup organizations own teams or affiliated teams in that series. It would be similar to the IRL/Cart split. IRL had the big event but Cart had the best drivers with much bigger fields. I know I’d follow the teams! So sick of NASCAR’s Bs!
@jamesbridges6399 and with bigger payouts the small teams should be able to add cars
Jeff’s sweating 🥵
It's all about the dollar and not much for the fans. How about letting the teams be creative. This has become an exposition and not racing.
Facts!
The owners wanted this car - not NASCAR - people keep blaming the lack of "creativity" with this car on NASCAR. This is what the owners wanted.......not NASCAR.
Jeff Gordon Sounds like a politician
Always did
He’s the heir apparent to the HMS throne when Rick either passes or retires…of course he’s going to be political
He kinda has to now as he’s representing HMS.
All team owners act like politicians when talking about money and things like that
He has my vote
This problem has gotten worse when NASCAR introduced The Playoff system. Previous to that, EACH RACE was an opportunity to root for your favorite driver, and oh yeah there happened to be points on the line for an eventual champion to be crowned at season end. The real show was that each and every weekend you could root for your team, for your driver, buy the products that they were sponsored by and be a part of the sport. This was part of the reason why the late 1990’s-2010’s were so successful. Eveyone wanted to be a part of the big show that NASCAR was, week in, and week out. It wasn’t as stressful as the sudden death playoff system has become. Skill is less important now in the NASCAR playoff system, than it is to have the perfect car setup at the right time for a given track. It is just too complicated. People just want to have fun with their family, friends, and neighbors. NASCAR needs to learn from these current mistakes and make races more fun again, not just a path to the playoffs. NASCAR are you listening?
Another thing to consider is your Fanbase. People have limited ( and now more than lately very limited ) disposable income - therefore if ticket prices keep rising - less people can afford to attend races . This has a snowball effect because the grandstands become less packed and this ( aside from affecting track owners and venders revenue ) shows up when races are televised . Empty seats scare advertisers and TV deals are hinged on Ad revenue. There has to be an understanding reached , that in order to sustain a sport long term costs have to be controlled . I understand that innovation cost money but your fanbase are the legs that hold up your table.
Another thing to look at was the 80s. This was a very prosperous time and money was abundant, kind of like the roaring 20s but the early 90s soon corrected that. My point is , drivers and owners have to adjust . I get it , I really do .......if you are a driver that has sacrificed so much for so long only to told that the ring is now brass and not gold , it brings about the question - how am I less valuable than the drivers before me. F1 is slowly ( very slowly as far as I'm concerned ) starting to see the pyramid no longer has a base.
as a longtime fan, I think one of the main reasons for the fan decline is lack of identity. Your racing the nascar car and soon will have the nascar engine. The fan is rooting for a set of decals and paint. I dont see enough different to feel that a chevrolet is racing a ford, or dodge,,etc. And the toyota is racing with an engine that's built to just race, something nascar fought for 30 years. Like a lot of sports, it is now just money...
I truly don’t understand how anyone as a fan can be on NASCAR’s side, all they’ve done is run the sport into the ground the last decade
Hahaha
I love Gordon and he's just being respectful but NASCAR hasn't built anything. People like Gordon and Earnhardt, both of them and petty and the team's are who built NASCAR. Without them NASCAR isn't nowhere as big. The team's could very easily say buy buy to NASCAR and start their own and then no more NASCAR. People like Hendricks and Gibbs and Penske and RCR have the money and could do it.
Interesting thought - would the France family sell? Would it just be the sanctioning body? Or all the tracks NASCAR owns too? While I see a path forward that would be different if this happens so I like the idea, I suspect the nut it would take to do it is pretty damn big. Those guys have deep pockets but if we throw the tracks in we are talking billions to pull it off. The sport is too healthy for a sweetheart deal (like Roger got for IMS and Indycar - he paid about 25 cents on the dollar IMHO). NASCAR makes money even if the teams don't so it seems unlikely they would sell. Unfortunately it would likely take a big investment group (like the one that bought F1) to pull it off and I don't think that would solve the problems Gordon was talking about - they would likely listen to owners even less than the France family does now.
@@jimbosc I don't see them selling NASCAR but I do know that 3 of the team's owners are billionaires and could easily start their own NASCAR.
Basically Jeff Gordon has the best job on the planet.
I hear revenue revenue making the sport grow. I know all that is important but in my humble opinion get your mindset off revenue off growth on focus on what the race fan is looking for. You got nascar and teams bumping heads at some table but no one or group is there to represent the fan and the truth is no fans no money yall will be back on dirt working all week to pay for your race car and having fun. JMO
They always talk about bringing new fans in without mentioning the millions of fans they lost by changing the sport to where it's almost unrecognizable.
Problem with that mindset is a lot of those fans are in their 50s and 60s and won’t be around in the next 30 years to maintain the sport. They have to attract a younger crowd.
When NASCAR alienated its roots and die hard fans in the 2000’s for the Johnny come lately fans they doomed the sport. It’s a joke to watch races and see the stands empty. I remember going to races in Dover and they couldn’t build stands fast enough, now they’re empty.
The sport grew to its peak without charters and is now stagnating with them.
End the charter system and return to when anyone who shows up can qualify on speed. That's it.
As it is now, the Twin Qualifiers for the 500 are pretty much drama free and only between a few. That is lame.
Everyone, including the biggest of names, should be at risk of missing a race if they are too slow.
This issues started before charters - much like the current car - the OWNERS wanted the charters - NOT NASCAR. Understand what is going on before just blaming NASCAR. The owners have asked for things we as race fans don't like but that they need to control costs & keep sponsors happy.
@@jimbosc I hear what you are saying, particularly on cost.
Yet it is NASCAR, the sanctioning body, that sets the rules for competition and it is those rules that make the sport. The teams must race within them at whatever their cost to do so is.
The twins remain mostly useless directly due to the outcome of those rules.
I don't shed many tears when teams claim costs are too high while paying drivers and themselves millions.
David , you’re right , those people running nascar are clueless!
Ticket prices to high. Broadcasting on non air TV hurts because many of us don't have cable and don't want to stream.
I know I'm just yelling into the wind but NASCAR just doesn't get that for people to view the races they have to be televised on stations that everyone gets. They televise the races where they'll, NASCAR, will get paid the most and not where the most viewer will see them, which in the long run would create new fans, and put eyes on the sponsors. There is a large chunk of races around the first Dover race of the season that I don't get. And believe me it doesn't take very many races for me to sit down to watch the race only to find I don't get it that I lose interest and move on. NASCAR is giving up long time fans for short term revenue gains.
One thing about NASCAR that is under-appreciated is that the company has always looked further down the road than teams or racetrack owners. NASCAR looks 30 years down the road. The question is always this: How will a decision impact the future? In this case, if you listen to what Gordon said carefully, the teams are looking short term. That is where the difference is, I believe.
This was interesting. I will reserve an opinion until we hear more. There definitely needs to be changes.
You’re absolutely right . . There is no NASCAR without drivers. But hell . . I’m a driver . . You’re a driver …we’re all drivers under the right circumstances. NASCAR doesn’t care who it is behind the wheel. “The show must go on” or however the saying goes
If the cars stay in the shop and don't show up at the track then there is nothing to drive. Or if they leave the cars in the haulers, iin the pits after the fans have shown up
NASCAR has literally become an afterthought to the NFL and at one point they used to carry themselves like they expected to pass the NFL in ratings...
NASCAR teams rely entirely too much on corporate sponsors for activations at the tracks nowadays and they've pretty much eliminated all spending away from the track...
Make good commercials again, start the races on one channel (two at most), make the fans the most important thing again and stop catering to these damn teams and their business models or bottom lines...
As a fan idc about Charters or your TV deals, I care that the racing product is good (it hasn't been) and the ticket/amenities are affordable (they haven't been)...
Oh and one last thing, STOP THE SHIFTING at short tracks and lift the cars off the pavement again everywhere else, it'll make them actually have to drive the damn things, which is actually quite entertaining!!!
A bigger rule book was intended to level the playing field and lower costs, but unfortunately will always have the opposite effect.
They're all hiring engineers now because of it. Teams need to breakaway to a new series.
Let's make the cars the same, move the race at different times , different tv networks, fine drivers for being themselves, make more race rules for the fan to follow, and put the race in markets that aren't interested in racing. I'm not sure what is wrong?
People like JG and Dale Jr have a feel for what the fans want. If I ran NASCAR, I’d have Dale Jr in a leadership position. He is so in tune with what the modern fan wants.
Let it be known . . If mr France needs “scab” drivers in the case of a drivers strike. Me and my 2015 Chevy Cruze are ready and willin. . I got 2 fresh Goodyears and $12.50 worth of 87 ready to go . . I gotta fire suit made of denim and a helmet some people might call a “Kentucky waterfall” or a “ Sarasota sun screen” or an “Ohio river valley”
Nascar just has to put the best possible show they can on every race day. Nascar is about racing, not about the politics of racing. I hope the teams and Nascar can find common ground and create the best show possible.
It's become IROC, IROC died for a reason. Limit owner to two teams/cars.
Please give the cars more horse power.
Why not try to do a show something like what the HFL is doing with Hard Knocks? Do several 10 episode series where you focus on one NASCAR team? I'd suggest that the very first one you do is Chase Elliot since he would draw the most attention and get people to watch the show and hopefully get hooked so they spread the word and more people watch future shows. Just to show how much work actually goes into preparing for a race. You could also do a series on HMS as a whole to show people a bit of what goes on behind the sceens.
A couple NON Nascar, Independent races, by all the cup teams are needed....
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I'm surprised there's not a NASCAR team with an active youtube channel
Looks to me that the Charter itself is the bartering tool, leveraging tool with NASCAR. The part where teams must show up is NASCARS part, teams must use the rest to use in their favor.
I'd like to know what you guys think about how the appeal of the league has changed from the time when engines blew up, some 2 bit part failed, or crashed out from always going faster, the winner being the only one on the lead lap to today's racing where nearly all can be on the lead lap at some tracks, you've long reached the limit of safe top speed and of expenses. I've seen you both race in N.H. many times so I applaud your passion. Nevertheless, more Americans have played basketball, baseball, or touch football than have driven rockets like yours' so your market share won't be as high as those other sports. You're in a tough spot for the motorsports fan, the racing enthusiasts. I hope you can find a sustainable way to carry on, so keep the faith.
Think back to the 90’s and early 2000’s. You got to figure they were being competitive with the NFL. Not surpassed it but definitely comparable. Now, it seems like they’re competing more with a pre-season baseball game than anything else. Plus the price hike for everything is insane.
@@bertpulaski2492 Amen to that! For a decade I attended both races at NHIS, back when it held two per year. It cost plenty enough then, but they got greedy. It frosts me to see the 3rd & 4th turn grandstands unused, and the other two half empty for the race nowadays. Most other tracks appear in the same condition. Bristol used to be the hottest ticket on the tour, but even they don't sell out lately. I hear TV announcers say "it's a sold out crowd" for events, even though if you look closely there's plenty of empty seats. I can't imagine that the powers that be can be satisfied with the myriad decisions they've made which have turned off their loyal fans. I still pay attention but don't care as much as I once did. Anyway, the idea I was driving at with my earlier comment is I believe Nascar would be better served by determining who and what their solid demographic is and try to operate within those means, rather than hoping for growth that is clearly elusive, if not counter-productive.
If you want to fill the stands again, GIVE JR a charter. Like him or not, he fills seats.
Smaller scrappier teams being able to compete at the top level now that they don't have to fork over 30+ million?
Take the new financial cut, reimburse the charters (5-10million a piece), and move on. Most people don't like F1's exclusionary tactics and I don't like NASCAR going this route
Oh and interesting that LiveFast was threatened to have their charter repossessed, yet Rick Ware got a pass despite being arguably worse
When Gordan say "We haven't made money in 10 years" Did anybody else BS meter go off the chart...
There getting there big money from evergreen. Did he just say that..
NASCAR is just like a building contractor. His projected profit on this building project is 1 million dollars. Now because of weather delays, product delivery delays etc, he only makes $650,000 profit. So he tells everybody he lost $350,000 on this project.
@@WhiteKnight5775 Good analogy, I like that.
Somebody made money...the drivers the mechanics the truck drivers, Maybe Mr H didn't get paid, maybe he did but he had a tax write off if he lost money.
He means that the entity didn't show profit, but the boots on the ground made money....bet on that.
Well. Since the beginning of time only four teams ever had a chance to win. Somehow now it has to be we all win ...... Yep pertinent trophy 🏆
The biggest issue no one is saying that is hurting the sport is just a ridiculously bad economy, and nobody can afford anything right now. Going to sporting events is a luxury and not a lot of people can afford luxuries right now.
NASCAR, on top of everything else (which is obviously a _lot_ ), is still struggling to grow beyond its southeastern U.S. roots. As an older (60s) racer and racing fan, I think the action itself is about as good as it has ever been. The atmosphere _around_ NASCAR has changed, though. This will be interesting to watch...
First thing I would do is approach each manufacturer. Give them two years to develop a new car or bring one to new standards, to run. Return to seeing actual a car you can buy at the dealership. People like the idea of, I actually own one of those. Go back to it's roots. The "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" no longer holds true. If they don't want to do it on this level, test it on the old Trans-Am series floor mat. They have an identify crisis because nobody can relate to the cars today.
If you think ppv streaming will save nascar it won’t. NASCAR said it has offered all it is going to. The cost to go racing has not come down. Is the purse available & sponsorship funds make a viable entity. Lots of questions, very few answers.
Agree. Jeff is sweating.
You should get Larry McClure on the show
The system is broken, has been in a lot of big league motorsports for a very long time. Auto racing was born on bringing the best race car to the particular format you prefer and being able to compete. Once upon a time, you could bring your car to a NA$CAR or an F1 race and do your best. If your car met the "relatively" black and white rule book and you were fast enough to qualify, you could compete. That theory has been broken in big league motorsports for decades. You can still do that in short track racing, dirt track racing is at a relatively high point at the moment in my opinion. Because if a person wants to get involved, they do have to spend a pretty substantial amount of money, but they can compete. Build or buy decent equipment, hire the right driver and learn, get better. That formula is no longer possible in the upper echelons of the sport.
NASCAR will never give up ANY of their power base or money if they can help it
It used to be that you could afford to go see a race and that made you want to watch it more. Now, not so much.
When are you going to have Bill Elliott on
For sure you guys should get back to " The Western Town " 👍👍
Jeff spoke a lot without saying anything 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I really wish some of nascar was run by owners/drivers to give a different perspective
If the team's stick together then NASCAR wouldn't have a choice. Even if you have to picket a big race like Daytona 500 live on TV, more fans will come and all the fans will back the team's not NASCAR.
In my opinion 😂😂😂it’s tv filler it a tv production
F1 races around the world. So their Netflix series brings interest, and F1 showing up in their country sells the tickets. Indy car races in multiple countries, and they almost sell out the Indy 500 every year. 8:13
So the nascar teams don't get any money from nascar other then the race purse?
Nor should they. The purse has always been a race payout.
They get a part of the TV money
@@Upracefan feels like they should get part of the ticket sales and tv money
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 That should all be figured in to the purse payout.
They stopped posting race purses but they way it works now is charter teams all get a minimum amount for showing up - then another chunk of $$ is paid based on how they finished.
Remember when we had 50 cars showing up to the Daytona 500? Remember when we only had 43 cars for the field? NASCAR needs to stop the bleeding, but they don't know how to stop it. What made the sport so enjoyable from the 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s? Having big fields, loads of sponsors on cars, really good NASCAR games were we could "mock" the season as if we were really in the races. What we lost, was that identity, why are other racing series getting bigger and better every year? Gathering what works and building on that, NASCAR can't do that without hurting itself in other areas. Take the field size for example, why run a team when only 38 cars can race? Folks wanted more road course races, but the problem with those are the races are too short. Then they had to bring dirt to bristol, that was a failure, now they junked it. Now we keep running the Clash at some place that nobody really enjoys watching when that was running at Daytona as part of Speedweeks, I always enjoyed it. Another awful idea that needs to be scrapped is "Stage racing", why on earth do we have this junk system? No other racing series (that I know of) uses it.... I wonder why that is... I mean NASCAR "tried" that caution clock system a few years ago and how'd that turn out? Exactly. NASCAR just needs to rewind the clock by about 20 years, and go back to that rulebook and it would be ay-ok but no, they "had" to change it, for no reason and now everyone is bailing out on the sport. Martinsville had 2 500 lap races, now one of them is only 400, why I don't remember the idea behind it, and I don't care, it's nonsense. California just had it's track nuked for a half mile one, why? Do we need to keep voting with our wallets and stop going to races and do we need to stop watching the races on TV for it to finally click in for NASCAR to figure it the "heck" out? The playoffs are another joke that needs to get nuked (oh boy, here we go again). What a joke. What. A. Joke...
They had 50 cars show up for ARCA this year at Daytona. The East, West and National ARCA series have run this car long enough there are some extra car around. Of course a used ARCA car is way cheaper than a Cup car right now - if you can even find a used Next Gen Cup car (most teams hold on to the ones they have).
i have been a fan of nascar since watcing it in the 90 's lets be honest nascar was one mans team against another mans team to win a purse that was put up by a sponsor and the man/driver of that team won an amount of money to win or even compete in the race. Some teams were better and won more money and that drove the younger generation to work harder to win and make more money, the sport has gone all wrong when they started paying big money to a driver and not worried about where he finished that is the main problem. The driver assumes no resposiablity for this charter or team that is now nascar. Like Jeff said they have not made money for 10 years but when the team folds up or sells the assets they will make some money but is that enough is the question. Life is different now is about dollars and cents everyone wants to get paid and there is just not enough money for everyone like they want today look at the stands and the fan have declined so much its not funny. the only way to fix nascar is to go back to the older methods and allow them to escalate again and hopefully inflation won't kill the sport but its sure leaning that direction. Personally i hate the crap they have now its not racing at all nobody is mad because they didnt win its all fluff for the sponsor get rid of stages get rid of the chase its points like they use to do 36 races and who has the best team at the end you pay em. Guys like Byron and Kyle Larson will be on top but its a better show lets be honest worked for 40-50 years, its simple it too scripted at this point.
Nascar still owns charters...get that worked out first and then work an equitable split of the new tv deal. Teams should get 40%, not current 30% or so. Nascar 5%, then tracks 55%. Something like this. But Nascar has to give 100% ownership to the Charter to the teams. Or, 45% teams, 50 percent tracks, 5% Nascar because Nascar owns many of the tracks.
I'd rather watch the Cars series.
Increase seating capacity and lower ticket prices significantly, then more people will show up and nascar still gets its cash flow
No need to increase capacity at most tracks. But reducing ticket prices would be a great idea. You can still offer premium seating/service for those willing to pay for it - but most seats need to be cheaper. NASCAR was going so well 20 years ago you could not even buy a Cup ticket without a seat license and being forced to buy tickets to the other NASCAR races at the track in a "package" deal. Those times have passed - the demand simply is not there to command high ticket prices for most seats or forcing fans to buy tickets to multiple races. Make it something a family can afford - the stands will fill up.
What happened to, "you wanna make more money? Race faster"
Everyone is living in a mansion on a lake. Everyone is doing just fine.
where is mike the other guy you had on last year?
I think Mike announced on the last show of last year that he was moving into a larger hands-on role managing all of the podcast properties.
Sponsorship has and will drop off with fan drop!!
Think the tracks get the majority of the TV money after Nascar or more money than the teams...that's what the fight is over Tracks vs Teams.
PIF money baby LOL
Nascar really screwed themselves when they overreacted to the twisted sister cars. Bringing out the original car of tomorrow, killed the ingenuity in the sport. Nascar just needed to to reconfigure their templates. Not force a generic body. Everything from that point forward has brought them to the current mess that they are.
You don’t need 500-1000 people to run 4 cars. Cut the support groups. Make them a uniform number for all teams.
I don't know anybody that has a thousand employees or even close to it for 4 car team. Hendrick might employee that many people between the race team and the engine shop and pit crews though
If those who built the sport like Earnhardt/Gordon would be making the final decisions rather than corporate bozos who dont even show up the tracks...its America 2024.
The issue at hand is that the legacy NASCAR fan/fans are dying off. There's variety to television unlike just your basic 80's analog television set. Ticket pricing, cost of living, and living priorities have changed in the average person. Technology was the kryptonite to NASCAR. Races, highlights, etc can be viewed at the click of a button or tap of a screen. The acquired fan base would without a doubt set through a fall race at martinsville, back then the sharpie 500, or the coke 600. Would an aquantice to the sport do that? Probably not, so the question is how do you convince that person 3-4 hours and probably 600 bucks is worth coming to see a race?
The chase was the beginning of the end for Nascar. You need to go back to the year before the stole the championship from Jeff & gave it to Jimmy. Have practice qualifying and after qualifying practice then race and it will bring in a lot more people. Hell I will definitely come back IF and only IF you get rid of that stupid chase. Dumbest thing nascar ever done do date but give them time. The rope is getting shorter.
You talking about the playoffs?
Yeah the playoffs, back when they started the playoff they called it the chase I think. It has been a while since I've watched nascar. I do miss it but not in this format plus not many drivers with personality or balls to say what they are thinking & not what they are scripted to say by nascar.@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677
It wasn't stolen
There is no fix unfortunately. NASCAR has become an absolute engineering nightmare that’s too big for its own good. I mean you almost need an engineer degree just to watch it. Also, It’s no longer just racing for the fans. Corporate sponsors come first and it’s at the cost of the fans. There’s hardly no identity with teams anymore. Back in the day I could buy a nascar jacket and everyone knew who drove that car.
Hendrick not made profit in decade?😳 That tells me NASCAR is almost dead. Now I see why JR. wont get in CUP. Big way to burn thru his money.
Until team owners can earn profit it will soon die.
Pay 30 million to buy charter. Never make profit? Gee no thanks.
Why does the entire world refuse to answer questions during an interview???
Love or hate Jeff Gordon the driver but if he wasn't a positive for the sport or what it stands for Dale Jr. wouldn't have him on. Nascar teams deserve their fair share.
I tune in to watch the last 10 to 20 laps and an hour passes...the never ending race.
NASCAR will never be what it was!!
Simply put I will watch NASCAR again when
1 quit having the stages during races
2 quit using the " chase for the cup "
3 bring back " Speedweeks "
4 stop trying to make the cars equal bring it back to the best team equipment driver wins
5 lose the Bristol dirt race
NASCAR does those 5 things I will watch it again
I don't know the numbers from the sources of revenue, but it is obvious that NASCAR does not care about the fans that attend races. When you have a race on Easter Sunday night with no holiday on Monday... you know that they don't give a flip if they sell any tickets at the track. This year they have moved the first Bristol race back into March so there may be another race with a snow ball fight. Again, its obvious they don't care if fans attend the race. Last comment... that race in the Los Angles coliseum was stupid. I would have rather have seen them drive go carts on that track. They must make a crap ton of money off TV!!!
The on track product is garbage. Stage breaks are garbage. The short track package is garbage. Fix the racing aspect and fans will tune in. NASCAR is so focused on being MLB/NFL/NBA that they forgot about their own product.
Nascar just isn't the same as the heyday. I really think Nascar died with Dale Sr. I know one man shouldn't end a huge company , but he was The Face of Nascar. Characters like him, Tony, Rusty , Darrel, just are not around anymore. It's sad. The series had balls and no excuses back then. Now it's clean and safe.
Let me first say this, I quit watching nascar so I really don’t have a dog in this fight. For me nascar died with Dale . He was a working man from a simple beginning and worked his way up, and he was from the south. I got behind Dale Jr . for awhile and then he and his mom fell out . NASCAR got a big head and started closing down tracks , the smaller ones , but these tracks were where it all started. They decided to move west to bigger areas . Fine !! They forgot the fan base , the south . I’m sorry but that is where it all started , the south , not the north or California. Now they don’t have one driver who is from the south hardly. Not one that’s worked his way up . The racing sucks too and now the racing format!! Please!
They betrayed their base. NASCAR has been on this quest to get new fans- they didnt have to do that. Bristol was the hardest ticket in all of professional sports and now you can buy a ticket without issue and the stands are maybe 60-70 percent full. They alienated the base in their efforts to relate to demographics that could care less
This isn't all of it (The problem(s) but it is a large part of it): NASCAR's core fan base is over 40 years old. The people that grew up listening to the races on the radio or watching them on TV are getting older and dying off. NASCAR is losing fans to Father Time at a greater rate than new young fans are coming on board. I have two teenage daughters who tell me almost no one at school talks about NASCAR (We live in Florida so you'd think that wouldn't be a problem). The teenage generation now doesn't watch TV. They watch videos, they stream content, and they can start or stop it at will. They certainly are not going to sign up to sit in the hot sun 80' in the air to watch a NASCAR race that takes 4 hours to run from the green flag, adding in that their phones will be worthless for that entire time because the local cellular networks can't handle the volume and you've got a guaranteed loser.
NASCAR has to find a way to engage people under 35 and keep them engaged. Taking 20-30 minutes to do driver intros, present the colors, have a long boring and irrelevant invocation, and then perform the anthem before firing the engines is NOT a recipe for success. Four hour races have got to go the way of the Dodo. Caution laps that seem to have no end have got to stop. The networks have also got to get serious about their coverage. Spending the majority of the race panning a large portion of the field at once from a distance does not really give the fan an idea of the speeds the cars are running. Get those bumper cams back out front, helmet cams, and show the fancy footwork at those road courses...give the fans an in the car and on the car experience.
One more thing: When the command to start engines is given...place some microphones somewhere near a racecar. On the TV it sounds like my neighbor started his commuter car rather than the earth shaking experience it is at the track.
You got bigger problems there no coverage of nascar in the Midwest
That's very f****** funny because Fox and NBC both Even in the Midwest air races Plus even in the Midwest you can get USA Network and FS1 and next year TNT
@@johnhaas2523 hey dumbass do you see anything on the local news and any other promotion in the Midwest no for nascar
When will everyone at the table wake up and realize that NASCAR grew its peak audience when the actual cars were relevant to regular people? The biggest audience saw Fords, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, Dodges, and Chevrolets that they could actually purchase at a dealership for a “reasonable” price (reasonable meaning obtainable- opposed to Corvette, Ford GT, or Ferrari money). As the cars continued to change, and become less relevant (i.e. Twisted Sisters and Car of Tomorrow), the audience simply turned away.
Today’s 16-24-year-olds have zero relation to NASCAR. They didn’t grow up watching NASCAR because their parents didn’t get into the sport. Why? Because they couldn’t relate to the cars- especially when a Ford Taurus was a 4-door grocery getter, not a two-door racing machine. The main audience is dying- and makes sense when the only ones left are the grandparents and great grandparents (born before 1980) who grew up watching real cars racing on Sunday.
NASCAR has to figure out a way to truly connect to today’s 16-24-year-olds. The cars will not go back to being real cars due to safety regulations, but why not use stock engines? In a time of phenomenal engines, it’s a shame that NASCAR is allowing anything but what can be purchased stock in the represented manufacturer. Ford can run the coyote, Chevy can run the LS, and Toyota should be forced to make the Camry with a V8 or withdraw from NASCAR.
Make it relatable, or watch the sport continue to die a slow death.