How To Buy Lumber & Plywood At A Hardwood Dealer
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video I explain all you need to know to understand the world of hardwood lumber when going to a hardwood lumber yard or dealer to pick out your hardwoods or plywood for your next project.
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I have passed by Johnson’s many many times going to Greenville Michigan and back home to Kentucky. I’ll have to stop next time.
I bought this for my friend for his birthday as we just moved into a new house and he finally has room for a workshop. The bench was very easy to set up ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh They center support is a little difficult to snap in and out of place at first but at least then we know the bench is secure. It was a pleasant surprise when we saw it came with clamps. I apparently missed that in the description. My friend loves the versatility of the bench. Great starter bench for his workshop and easily transportable all over our property. I wish the bench was a little taller but the other features of the bench more than make up for that.
Who in the world would dislike this much great information. Thank you so much for all the info!
Man, this was one of the more useful videos i have ever watched on UA-cam, thank you very much mate! :)
I worked in a lumber yard for a few years. I didn't learn much, except where you misspoke. Teaching me I qualify as select! .
Thank you. Enjoyed this while eating breakfast
Utz is seriously watching us, making sure we are paying attention and taking notes. ;)
Great job! I've seen several videos covering this topic, but yours is very well put together. Thanks for your hard work.
So glad I came across this video. It showed up in my suggested videos. I was surprised when you mentioned South Bend because that's the one I go to. They're awesome. I used to go to Owel Hardwoods when I lived in Chicago and was super excited to find a place like Johnson's when I moved back home to South Bend.
Love your dog. He looked like he wanted to jump in and correct something you said at the beginning of the video. Maybe you could let him give his views on the topic sometimes.
Great and informative video. Now I just need to find a good hardwood yard by me. I tried a few years ago and could only find construction lumber yards and cabinet sellers.
This is awesome info. I plan on starting in on a woodworking hobby after dabbling a bit in fence making and other small projects. After a bit of practice I’m going to try my hand at furniture making to see if I can get some nursery furniture made up before my wife and I start trying.
I love that dudes like you are out there to give us this info. I’m deployed right now but this gives me a place to start so I have as much info as possible when I get home and start diving in.
wow...great info...but my head is spinning...definitely need to watch this a few times
Great video. As someone fairly new to furniture building this answered allot of questions I had.
Good information. I have looked at a lot of these videos and it seems none of these place to get things weather it is tools or wood are near where I live. Or shall I say I have not found them yet. Shipping wood from long away store have not always been a good option. Anyway love your presentation.
Will
A little etiquette tip - when you are sorting the lumber dont place the boards you don't want on the ground, people get pretty salty about that and I learned that the hard way
The hardwood dealer I use in Houston looks like dumpy quonset huts. But on the inside it is wonderful racks of great wood. They are very helpful and will show you anything you want. One thing I love is after buying what I need they will let me wonder around to look at the wood. I just have to stay out of way of their crews.
Trying to settle down in Eagle. Can’t wait to check this place out!
This is a great video. Very informative. Thank you
oh geez, been getting into woodworking lately, had no idea how complex it is to buy wood from a non-big box store. holy crap.
This is actually pretty perfect timing for me... I've been getting my hardwood from woodcraft, but it's super expensive there... I just found a hard wood dealer near me and plan on going soon.... Thanks for the info
Glad to hear that!
Thanks for this. So helpful.
Hellya! Thanks man, I'm gonna need to play this video over and over again.
Great information!! I live in GR so your hardwood dealer is only about 1 hour and 25 min from me. I am going to have to make the trip
It's definitely worth the trip. I'm 2 hours south, near Ft. Wayne and it's a good thing they're not closer... I couldn't afford it. Be careful when you go though... I drooled in all the aisles. Might still be slippery.
Thanks for making this video. I'm about to make my first trip to a real lumber yard and you definitely just saved me some mistakes I'm sure.
Love Johnson's Workbench!
Great information, especially on the plywood! Can't wait to download your lumber cheat sheet when it's posted. Thank you!
Incredibly useful info! Thanks for doing this one!
Thank you for the lesson and tips. I can't wait for the print out to be available so I can brush up before going and checking out the local lumbar yard.
Wow! Great video, subbed, tu! I am just a few months in to learning woodworking and haven't yet been to a proper lumberyard. Thank you for putting this wonderfully informative video together. You put a TON of work into this! I feel a whole lot better about going to a real lumberyard now!
I love how your dog is camera ready and maintains eye contact lol. Great video by the way. Thanks for the tips
I think "UV" stands for Ultra Violet cured finish. Comes in one or two sided options. Otherwise, excellent informative presentation. Thanks!
I've wondered why doing bizz with a lumberyard is not the same as anywhere else❓
In most stores, you pick out what you want/need, you take it to the checkout, and you pay for it. At a lumberyard, it's basically the opposite.
Wow...what a really educational video you made here...thank you...i really learned allot of Shit here
This video is great, do you still plan on putting out the print out for all this information? Would come in super handy when I ever decide to make my way from Detroit to visit this lumber yard! hah
It's true that Johnson's is great.
Hardwood lumber is sold random widths and lengths. Typically it is sorted by lengths when it is dead piled. If it is surfaced one should know that it is typically not surfaced at the same thickness as softwood. It is tallied by surface measure in square feet on the surface and then multiplied by its rough thickness. If lumber is graded select and better that is an indicator that the trees do not grow as a large as the lumber that is graded face and better. FAS is graded from the poorest side. One face and better is graded with the faces being independent of each other. It is often abbreviated IFB or FAS1F. That lumber will be graded FAS on one face and one common or better on the back. FAS will grade FAS on the poorest face. 6 and 7 foot lengths of Walnut are defect graded. 8 foot and longer is graded by the cutting unit method. The best board of all is a one common board that has a one foot surface measure. It must have a clear face. Often the best looking boards are 8 feet long with a knot near the end. It is often graded by the 97% rule. A board can have a surface measure at the 1/2 mark or over and be graded at the next higher tally measurement. If it is under the half it is graded at the next lower tally measure. In a lot of lumber if the lumber is randomly picked there will be little difference in the total measure. However if selecting a few boards I try to get boards that look good which are just under the half mark. For example lumber is bought and sold on the tally to nearest whole unit unless it is for export. If a board measures 7-3/8 surface measure it will be sold as 7. If it measures 7-5/8 it will be sold as an 8. It is wise to understand the language when buying hardwood lumber. It is sold as four quarter (4/4) five quarter 5/4), 6/4, 8/4, 10/4, 12/4, and 16/4. Hardwood is sold in lengths not longer than 16 foot long unless it is from a specialty place. Not many places sell backing boards which are left over from making veneer. They are the center section that is left over.They are quarter sawn and will have a pith center in the middle. Then can range from 3/4 to 5/4 in thickness in the same pile.
quality video!! Thanks
Great video and the selection at that lumberyard is downright amazing. I'm a horrible judge at this, but their prices look damn good as well. I have it better than most, still definitely intimidating even after getting a solid brief lesson from my cousin who has a forestry degree and related work experience. Now, a few years later i've mostly forgotten it and this video is definitely very, very helpful.
I live in south Florida. Can’t get good lumber to save my life!
Super informative. I learned a ton. Thanks!
Great Video!!!!!!!!
Is bringing freshly milled alder and maple home from work acceptable? 🤔
You are so lucky!
Nice shirt
Great video Chris! Thank you for sharing it with us.👌👍😎JP
Good video. Jesus this stuff is complex.
Thanks for the information. This is really helpful. I have tried to use Johnson's website in the past and found it very difficult to use. A lot of the buttons that they have at the top of the page: contact, services, event's etc never work. I always have to jump through hoops on their site to find what I want. Might want to check it out and let them know.
A very informative video.
why there is no price tag on any of them? for price of every piece you have to ask somebody?
Darn, I missed it! when is the next Expo?
Great info. Thanks.
you're from Charlotte? My Mom grew up there. Her step-grandpa used to own the motel on the highway.
Just asked my mom. Turns out my second cousin owns the old Johnson farm! My mom grew up playing with Ingrid Johnson. Small world!
Did you hang a sausage over the camera for Utz, very focused?
Where are the woodchucks?
Great Video!!! Thx...
I never understood why I pay more for a board foot of 8/4 than I do for 4/4? I mean a board foot is a board foot so why is it more?
Because much less is wasted when you mill long, wide and thin boards. You can get a bunch of 4/4 boards from a single tree and only few 12/4 wide boards
The logs needed to produce good clear 8/4 or thicker lumber are typically from larger trees. Land owners will demand more money for the larger trees. The process to Air Dry and Kiln Dry thicker lumber like 6/4, 8/4, 10/4, 12/4 is very delicate. Not only is the drying time needed much longer than 4/4 but the risk of drying defects increases exponentially with the thicker lumber. Drying thicker lumber to fast will result in major defects like splits, honeycomb and case hardening. So the thicker lumber has to stay in the Kiln or Oven a lot longer to dry it out.
Store etiquette... that you had to mention this and even explain it is a measure of how far into the toilet our society has gone. I'll admit to having accumulated a significant number of years. When I was a young man If I had done any of those things you suggested one not do I would have been politely asked to leave the store with it being implied I would not be welcome... ever again. The next time I saw my dad he would ask if I had lost my mind. He would also promise to tell my mother about it if I ever did such a thing again. Even as a grown man, living on my own, this was the ultimate threat.
Depending on the severity of the offence,at some later time my dad would say in passing, "Those boys down at the hardwood store haven't seen you lately. 'Said you ought to drop by."
When I did go back it would be just as if nothing had happened...
Well, I can partially agree with you. The ideas of try not to make a mess and clean up the mess you make should be ingrained in all of us. To me, a real hardwood dealer is unfamiliar territory and I don't know how much help I should expect or how much digging through a pile of lumber is acceptable. I am okay with looking ignorant, but I don't want to be a jerk.
It is a great video. Thanks for the wealth of information.
Una lastima que no tenga subtitulos.
I want to lay that block plane on its side so badly it hurts.
“Try to pick up after yourself and not leave a mess for the workers, or for the next guy” - life etiquette, not just lumber yard etiquette :)
Like starting with the shopping carts!
AMEN!
I’m a lumber yard manager, and I couldn’t agree more
What happened with the summary PDF?!
This is great. Now I just need to figure out how to load it all into my Kia Rio. :(
Yes, this is a problem we all have, I'm sure. I have a Chevy Sonic. I can stack 8' boards up between the passenger and driver, but I really have to watch the turns.
What I really want to do is get a trailer, specifically for getting plywood, but if I made a trip to a lumber yard it would come in handy too.
Lol I feel the pain
I have a 2017 Hyundai Accent that is the Hyundai equivalent to the Kia Rio. I found that if you fold both the rear seats forward and if you slide the passenger seat all the way forward and leaned all the way back I can slide multiple 10ft sections onto the dashboard and still be able to close the trunk.
Roof rack and tie downs
@@GodotWorld I got a Chevy Sonic too and I can fit the 8ft board by routing it through the trunk can probably fit longer of you push it out the from passenger window lol. Thankfully I got a roommate with a trucm
"I already know what I need to know for the lumber yard."
1 minute in the video and beyond: "well I'll be dipped."
vgg fan?
Best vid I’ve seen on lumber yard info on UA-cam... Great Job, Thanks!
Lets all take a shot every time he touches his hands! Just kidding! Great video. Very good info and perfect for anyone just starting out!
I live 30 mins away from Charlotte, and have been absolutely clueless as to this places existence...
and they mill, which is something else I had no idea about. Too bad I can't hit the like button more than once.
There you go, I hit it again for you.
Me too
And another
Haha I'm trying to find one on the other side of the state. They seem so hard to find that do as much as this one!
Lots of good info there, thanks Chris. We should hit the place together sometime. I'm sure I could spend quite a few dollars there. :)
Definitely! I’ll give you the grand tour!
@@ThirdCoastCraftsman it’s definitely a nice place in Johnson’s that’s for sure, I’m 14 and just started woodworking found you and it’s cool someone close to home is so popular with over 500k subscribers
I'm from central Michigan been woodworking for about 6 years on and off looking for someone to get advice from that's in Michigan
Holy wealth of information. I may have to watch this 100 times. Ha
Just found this video and honestly, thank you so much. I've gotten used to being a woman walking into hardware stores over the years, but as I'm now getting into woodworking having an idea of what I'm walking into will make it all the easier and less demoralizing. Heavy applause!
Very Informative but I wound up having to watch it a second time cause that dog and I were having a staring contest.
🤯 That was a lot of information, I hope I remember at least 1/4 of it when I visit my local hardwood lumber store. Thank you.
This is one of the most helpful videos I’ve ever watched. Thank you! Any chance on getting that printout available? I can’t find it on your site anywhere.
Was looking for the print out myself!
Please make this print out available online! 👍👍👍👍
"Lumber and Plywood Print-Out (coming in a couple days)" - Still non-existent. Any idea on when we can expect this? Thanks for the help.
Great idea for the “Lumber and Plywood Print-Out”. That would be a helpful guide. Can’t find it on your link. Would you guide me to it?
...was hoping for it too.
It was there originally but I think GOD pulled it due to copyright infringement!
Thanks! Going to a lumber yard for hardwood can be very very intimidating.... Your example is the middle of the pack, fancier and you pay alot more, more basic the prices are great, the staff will get grumpy fast if you get too picky or ask them to lift down too many pallets. We have all three in our area. Never took out a hand plane. Another level is going to a small saw mill. no electricity, cash only fantastic prices with some beautiful wood. Cheers
a good dealer will walk you through things when you aren't sure. 5 years ago i ventured into a lumber yard for the first time and was overwhelmed. They had stacks and stacks of lumber and when asked what i wanted, i had no idea. I paused to think about what i planned on looking to purchase. Ask questions and don't be afraid to look like a novice. They deal with all sorts of people!
I go in to smell the cut lumber. They look at me weird.
I got a hardwood place a block away and I'm new to wood working. Ive gone in twice looking for boards and end up panic buying some small cut because I got no clue about the markings or even the etiquette of the store. Last project I ended up just going to the big box store. Hopefully this prepared me
Man I wish I would've seen your video yesterday. Went to Ganahl Lumber here in Cali... felt like the first day of middle school, scared & completley lost! 😬
I've barely ever even used a saw for anything other than yardwork. Do you suppose the beginning of a 2020 winter is a good place to start a woodworking hobby?
Brilliant video, thank you! As s newbie woodworker this is just what I need. Might have to watch it again and take notes!
After seeing this, I wish I could have stayed abroad for wood working only. Thumbs up from India.
I recently wanted to buy a stump end slab with some nice figure from a slab Sawyer.
The stump end was 32" and the other end was 22".
He wanted to charge me for the 32" end.
So basically he was charging for some air.
I was a little DISSAPOINTED.
I want to be fair and believe I should expect to pay for a little air, but I feel like he was trying to be less than fare.
I have sold logs to backyard mills before and know the figure what the pay me on the narrow end.
I think he should of split the difference between the 2 ends and charged me on average.
What is your feeling on this matter?
Love your channel
greg typically, when I buy slabs with differing end measurements, I use the average as you suggest. However, it’s ultimately up to the person selling it, I believe.
Man oh man, I’ve learned so much from your videos. This was fantastically informative. Thank you so much.
The nearest hardwood dealer to me is less than helpful. I was out of my depth there. This video is exactly what I needed!
There are several free board foot calculator apps available for most any phone. Much easier than a calculator. Also the quarter designation usually only refers to rough lumber. If the board has been surfaced the thickness will be less. i.e. 8/4 rough cut lumber will be 2 inches, but surfaced will be about 1 and 3/4 inches.
Wow that lumber yard is amazing, mine only has lumber, nothing like that tool selection, also nice video learnt a few new things
Thanks for a very good presentation, clear and concise. Made understanding grading and how the size is calculated very clear. 👍👍
Your boat is looking great keep up the good work. You should also do a fishing video with the boat when it’s done
This video looks appealing and exciting to me. I love woodworking. I would love to understand what he said about the woods. Since I am deaf, would you please put closed captioning or subtitle on and let me know so I can understand. Thank you!
This is absolutely amazing and exactly what I have been after! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this, as it is so helpful for a newbie woodworker such as myself (I don't think I've ever smashed the sub & bell so fast)!
Wow 😬 wish I took woodworking in high school.
I did take woodworking in high school (3 years worth) and it's the only course I look back on with good memories. These days I don't think shop courses are offered.
3:06 I would kill for that. Used to have a Woodworkers Warehouse locally but they folded and left - I still have many tools and accessories I bought there. btw, I freakin love your dog Ute (sp?)
☝ at 2:25, there's a 3rd reason why S3S lumber costs a little extra. After straight-lining, about 3-7% of the wood is lost (a 5" wide rough board becomes 4.75" wide with a straight-edge, for example). Most hardwood lumber companies add a % board foot surcharge to the tally at the register. This accounts for the lost fiber. HOWEVER, the straight-line process takes off a relatively fixed amount from each board regardless of the board width. Thus, buying narrower S3S boards shifts more of that surcharge to the lumber company. For example, assume 10% is added to your S3S BF tally. On a 4/4 X 20" X 120" board, the actual straight line width loss may be 1/2" yet you're paying for a 2" width loss. Probably not enough savings involved to worry about, especially since there's no way of accurately re-calculating the actual SL1E loss. However, it's good to be aware of this mostly-industry wide practice. 😉
HOW did you train Ootz(?) to stare straight into the camera? LOL
I asked that same question on that cornhole board video. In that one Ootz stared straight at the camera, without blinking, for almost 30 seconds in one clip. It scared me.
I need an alternative to lowes and homedepot is ther any place like this
Near Taylor's sc
I'd like to know too. I'm in Greer, SC
Been buying hardwoods for years and I still learned a lot. This will help new woodworkers take that leap! Thanks!
Hi please where u buy yr hard wood I need to put mad when I'm do building
Well done. Super informative. So many times, UA-cam videos are more about the presenter than the subject matter. What a refreshing change!
Man I wish I had a lumber yard like that near me. I have one that is okay at best about an hour away, but if I want to go to an actual lumber yard I have to travel like 4 hours there and back. A lot of times I have to resort to ordering lumber online.... That's is extremely expensive. Great video man!
Your dog staring into my soul is making me uncomfortable. He's giving me the vibe of a wise old man that's been reincarnated into a canine.
I came here to say this.
you have an excellent lumber yard. No such thing near me. :(
I don’t have very many lumber yards in my area, but I have a sawmill close to me.