Stanton Sherpa Gen 3 Ti vs. Sherpa Reynolds 853: FIRST LOOK at Their New Bikepacking/Trail Hardtail
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2021
- Stanton Sherpa Ti vs Reynolds 853 steel; which would you pick? Today we take a first look at Santon's new lightweight trail, bikepacking, ripper that comes in steel or titanium. There's a lot to love about this little bike and I can't wait to share its details with you. I have a Stanton discount code exclusively for my bike consult Patrons. So if you're thinking about a Stanton, become a patron today.
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Correction: my ti frame is not made in the UK, it's made in Taiwan. Stanton is getting their ti frames built to their specs in Taiwan, to their tubing specs, in order to meet demand.
And the quality is amazing as you said..
I have the previous version of the steel Sherpa, so 853 made in Taiwan. The welds look pretty much like your ti bike. I hate to say it as a Brit but the British built Sherpa doesn’t look as good as the Taiwanese versions in terms of welds. The colour of course is stunning.
@@sirvince7853 we checked the serial number and I'm pretty sure it's made in Taiwan.
I remember Dan Stanton when he used to work in my local bike shop when I first started mountain biking. He left there to start up Stanton Bikes, cool guy 😎. Shout out to the Derby massive!
I love that you did the tire sizing on this!
Was the tire clearance the same on the titanium frame? 29x2.6 would be amazing.
I didn't realise their geo numbers were at low travel sag. On paper their relative steep HAs have put me off. Good to hear the true numbers and your take on their build ethos for achieving the maximum ride suppleness they can get away with. You've done a much better job of selling their frames to me than Stanton ever have, top work!
Details like the tire comparison are why your channel is the one I trust with my patreon dollars. As a grad student pinching pennies, I just can't afford to get experiMENTAL. I'm scrounging nickels to get the spokes and finish up my 27.5*3 wheelset for bikepacking. Its great to feel secure that when I do eventually have the resources available for a new frame down the line I'll know my hard saved wheels and other components will transfer over, because you've done the work to get out the information. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for your support, it means a lot.
Great setup! Can’t wait to see next parts
Your videos are wonderful. Thank you for giving us so much useful information. I decided to try a Stanton Sherpa Ti Gen 3 frame based on your recommendations. I just ordered it, so I now must be patient for it to arrive from the UK. Thank you again.
Was waiting for these to land, can't wait for your ride review 👍👍
What a beauty, hope you had a great ride. Can't wait to see your ride report!!
The excitement is palpable! Can't wait to see the ride report. :-D
Awesome video! Stoked for the day I can use your consult service to build up a bike.
Absolutely love & enjoy these overview & build up videos! 🤙❤🇨🇦🥸
Beautiful bike. Can’t wait for the ride review between the steel and ti. Love your channel Steve!
Stanton do some lovely frames. I was so close to buying the Slackline.
Ended up getting a BTR Ranger. Another UK steel frame. It’s a bit of a bruiser at 33.7lbs 😜
What an incredible frame and the color on the steel is 🔥
I cannot wait to see the titanium one in a single speed!
Hi !
I m a bike lover and just saw your channel !
Nice work dude , keep it up !
I wish you another 80 years of mountain biking 😊
Sedona will definitely tell the tale of these beautiful bikes!
Love your content infinantly!!!
It's absolutely pro and top notch information!
Everything you learn here can be used tomorrow on your favorite trails in real time!
Blessings!
🤗
I'm glad I already have mine. Can't wait to see if you feel the same as I do about the Sherpa.
Love the channel - and this will be my dream review! I've pretty much decided on a Sherpa but don't know whether to go for Ti or steel. Also can't wait to hear you views on different wheel sizes, and whether it works as a 'mullet'. Cheers!
LOVE the tyre fit tests.
Another classic comparison that we want to see steel vs titanium!!! Great first look 👀 can’t wait for the review and hopefully some surprises!!!
So awesome! I’ve been looking at those frames for a few years now. Would love to build one
Looking forward to the ride comparison now!! 👍🏻
Steve if anyone wants Hardtail reviews.... Your the man. Keep up the good work
That might be my next bike! 🤔
Thanks for the video, Steve 🤘
I think you'd really dig it.
Looking forward to your review, I’m looking at buying one of these and can’t decide wether the ti is worth the extra expense or not….that mint green is stunning 🤩
I've got an 853 on order at the moment. Can't wait to see what you think of it!
Stanton has been my dream bike for years! My first bike was a cube acid and I had half a mind to sell my bike to buy just the frame from Stanton in 2015. The dream still lives on maybe next year I'll be able to finally buy the frame.
Both frames are absolutely beautiful. Awesome welding job on the TI version. Looks like a good old Merlin.
Geo looks great but the stays at 435mm is longer than Steve’s typical preference. Looking forward to seeing his wheely test.
The sliding dropouts would be awesome, I have an older gen 2 Sherpa with the same dropouts so that old bike would also grow new possibilities. The rear triangle as a whole looks identical to that, have only had 2,4" on it but looks like I'll get something wider to try.
Excited for this. I was really looking at this bike, but could not find any reviews so I ended up with a banshee paradox.
Nice rig to end up with. Got me one too!
Love the Stanton. Beautiful color and I love my Celeste Bianchi !!!
Mint green looks sick Steve. 👍🏻
I'd go for a British Racing Green if I was going a UK custom frame.
After riding full suspension bikes for years I bought a Get 1 Switchback in steel. I liked it so much that I bought a second hand Ti frame and sold the steel one. Lovely frame and perfect welds. Only thing a didn't like is that I could only get a 2.35" 650b wheel in it, looks like they've sorted that out. The fork I had let it down as well I'm sure, a very divey Fox CTD. Wish I still had it sometimes.
Been thinking about replacing my Next Gen Sherpa, but after a really good ride last night and watching this, maybe I'll just hold on a little longer. SUCH a good frame.
Really enjoying this. I'm looking for a UK made steel hardtail and this comes at a perfect time for me :)
Nice video - well done.
What i love about steve is he is basically like me he loves to tinker to the moon & back
Cool to know-Seen the Stanton name and now to see the bike very sweet****Go Hardtail Party
Can't wait to hear your reviews of these frames. Don't think you've ever been this excited to ride a rig you had for review.
A Ti bike is on my wishlist, and that frame looks amazing! If I could ever find a Ti frame with the right geometry and can fit 29+ I'm afraid I'd make the wife mad because I would have to buy it no matter the cost.
Apologize in advance to your wife for the bike I'm designing.
Well hurry up!! Lol
Can't wait for the ride review I'm a steel fan
I've been waiting for you to review the steel Sherpa! Looking forward to hearing your views. I have a 17" 4130 (in metallic grey with mint green decals!) and currently have it set up as a mullet with 2.6 Schwalbes both ends on Nukeproof Horizon 30i wheels. Initially tried it as a 29er but found the mullet was a lot more fun (I'm 5'5" so small rear wheel just feels right). I'm also running a 130 Pike (it's what I had) so the HTA is pretty slack now, but I haven't noticed any wandering uphill--in fact it climbs like an ebike. I slammed the stem and have high rise (38mm) bars and it feels spot on. It's such a fun bike on techy descents and is super easy to manual. Enjoy!
Fi Caryl: I’d love to see some pics of that color scheme, it sounds rad.
Looks fantastic! Can't wait to see the review and comparison between the two. Bought a Slackline last week for my son, should be a ripper also.
Indeed. I've been wanting to try a slackline for a while.
Should be similar to the Sherpa only with 27.5 wheels. I also picked up a set of Nukeproof Horizon V2s for the build. Really appreciated that review also.
This was dope thanks
Really looking forward to seeing the ride comparison. Along with Cotic it's another Derbyshire, UK brand that bangs out some stunning bikes! Either one of these (steel or Ti) would be very welcome in my garage alongside my Cotic FlareMAX 😍 (FS sorry 😂) SWEET!
Great vid
Stanton's dig'n them Stanton Bikes.. . waitin' for them reviews......
Beautiful bikes! Hope to hear a comparison between the Reynolds steel Sherpa and the Big Al! Both are top o' my list - cause of you! ; )
Good video and content
That colour! I’ve got a Slackline on the way, hoping I can get a seafoam green to match my Fender Jazzmaster! Super close to the mint green you’ve got there Steve. Can’t wait to see the ride review.
I had a gen2 Slackline. Best bike I have ever ridden! Loved it and have regret I sold it to follow the longer lower slack trend. You will love the Slackline, most underrated frame in Stantons lineup.
My conversion of a 99' Rocky Mountain Blizzard to a monstercross/gravel bike is recently painted similar celeste color with black components to make the color pop.
Sick bike & a slick build 🤘💥🔥
British hardtails FTW!
I see what you mean about the Ti welds. 😍 Like a cupcake with perfect icing 🤤
Haha! Watching the video again I realise, how much I suck at building light bikes. My Stanton Switchback is over 15kg
I have some super light parts with the fork and wheels. It's spendy making bikes light.
I will definitely consider this one as a bikepacking bike, because I've been back and forth quite a while on what will suit me the best. The possibility of tire choice is also a very big bonus, so you can experiment on one single bike. Love it.
Personally I still won't consider gearbox + beltdrive drivetrain because I still think it weighs too much, and I also refuse to have gripshift. A regular drivetrain will do the trick.
I choose titanium for sure!!
Beautiful bike! The frame itself didn't look that good, but fully assembled it's beautiful.
Thanks Steve for the great content. Quick question, as I couldn’t tell from the pictures, from your description or from the Stanton website. Is the head tube tapered or straight?
Stanton sure makes a beautiful bike frame. I think the fairly low stack is the only thing eating at me, but that is easily solved. I think I'm gonna grab a frame in the very near future. I just need to decide between the Sherpa and Slackline. Decisions, decisions...
Hi, Just bought the Ti version. I have it built up but not given it a proper blast yet, but it does look amazing. The main point in contacting you is to find out where you were riding in the videos for the comparison of both the Ti and steel and in the other video where you compare the Taiwan and UK steel. The trails look amazing and I need to put in on a trip sometime in the future!
Dunno if you've already found out but he's in Sedona, AZ. Definitely a worthy vacation spot.
How is that sherpa treating you? I also want the Ti version.
Really interested to see how you find the 2 bikes ride, I did the same with a Nordest Britango - tested the steel and Ti versions, I was also considering the Stanton Sherpa (they are magnificent looking bikes) and also the Sonder Signal. I ended up with the Nordest Britango Ti and love it
I love the old bianchi celeste color bikes and just powdercoated my steel Rocky Mountain Blizzard in the color
Really interested also in your opinion in the differance between the SWITCH9ER and the Sherpa..
I love the first look experiments! and also the Experi-Mental series, I love watching you tinker around with this and create your own look and feel for all these different framesets.
The most satisfying thing wasn't the rear wheel spinning at the end, but the fact it went backwards afterwards.
Pretty cool, huh? Most wheels will do that just a hair, as the teeth reengage in the hub.
Nice looking bike!
Now we’re talking 👌
Nice! Been waiting for this one. They give any eta yet on the sliding drop outs?
Best bet is to contact Stanton directly
Thanks for your deep dive into high quality hardtail frames. As we know ride feel goes beyond frame material and goes into the micro details of tubing butting, and shaping etc. A frame designer can source brand names like Reynolds but the devil is in the details. It’s not easy to manipulate tubing “in house” and sourcing those ultra butted and shaped tubing is limited and costly, especially with Ti.
Well said! The devil is definitely in the details, not the marketing copy. :)
Microshift Advent X is awesome I have it on one of my steel hardtails
Stellar frames and the mint is off the hook
Stantonning frame indeed!!
Hey Steve, I love the experiments and the tire size checks. Tire size compatibility is a big deal for me. PS does the custom paint job mean you are keeping the steel version?!
I hope so. We'll see... I haven't worked those details out with Stanton yet.
So jealous that you just happen to have 4 different wheelsets ready to go and try 27.5+, 29, and 29+. Livin' the dream.
It took a while to get them all, but it makes my job a lot easier (until i get a superboost plus bike in). I wish i had a few more sets of drivetrains and suspension so i could compare bikes back to back. Hopefully one day.
@@hardtailparty hmmmn.. superboost hardtail..sound like a knolly
My Stanton Sherpa Gen3 Ti has welds every bit as you described and yours looks, Its honestly perfect, I checked every last small part when I got the frame last September, BUT mine was made in Taiwan, would not swap it..I would not be put off by a well made Taiwanese frame. Surprised you have a UK made one....possibly also Taiwanese?
I'll need to double check, but I'm pretty sure mine said made in UK on it. There are some amazing builders in Taiwan.
that mint green is dope.
I'm all over the place and it's all your fault! lol I am undecided between neuhaus hummingbird Ti, Stanton Ti, Sage Ti, and a handful of others. still gathering data but thank you for all your detailed reviews!
When you're getting close to purchase, I recommend signing up for my 1:1 bike consultation service. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
That is a stunning looking frame and geometry sounds great. Curious though, have you tested a 29x2.6 in the SID Select by chance?
not yet, I need to experiment with it. A 27.5x3.0 is definitely too big for a SID select
@@hardtailparty Yeah noticed it's rated at 66mm max tire width, just wondered if the 29x2.6 tire outside diameter actually cleared too.
Wow this looks great it meets a lot of what I want in my next bike. I live in SoCal so similar conditions(i.e. no mud) & I'd be curious to see how this is with 29x2.6. Thank you! You mentioned this the lightest bike you have reviewed so far, I take that means this is lighter than a Spot Rocker(carbon)?
This is the lightest steel bike ive reviewed so far. The rocker is significantly lighter.
@@hardtailparty ah that makes more sense thank you
Interesting the Friday I was searching youtube thinking it was a Stanton Sherpa you reviewed & rewatched your Switcher9er review. Thank you!
Edit: By chance do you know the weight of the 4130 steel version and if it is offered in that color?
According to Dan, rhe 4130 weight should be almost identical to the Reynolds one. i believe custom paint like this is an option for any of their bikes.
Have you ever tried a dawley frame? Cant find a video on your page but maybe you came across one in the wild?
Looking forward to the review! Also, curious why you didn't get the switch9er Ti. It sounded like you had a positive experience on the 9er, so why go to sherpa?
Id love to try a ti switch9er too, but i was curious to try the Sherpa. I'm grateful they sent both.
What is the max fork travel you would use on this bike? I wish that more companies would make it much more clear as to how HTA is measured. I had written off the Sherpa until I heard what you said about 67* after sag measurement... Also like that it can take a larger tire too. Sherpa is back on the radar for me now. I'm eagerly awaiting the other reviews and comparison. Hope your finger is doing okay (even if these videos are from way before that).
Most companies will state on their geo charts whether it's measured at sag or not, but a lot of people miss it. I believe it's rated up to a 130mm fork. If you're wanting more travel than 130mm, check out the switch9er
exciting
Do you remember what length stem you ran on these? Stanton says it’s built around a 35, but yours looks longer than that here. Reason I ask is that mine feels cramped with a 35, wondering if the steering will be affected by going longer. Thx.
Not a negative. Hopefully rides just as well.
We'll find out soon enough.
Such beautiful frames. Just think of Stanton adding the logo as a customer service bonus. Customer service, though not something you often talk about when reviewing, is still relevant to any review wherein you can talk about it.
True, but there's a reason i don't mention customer service too often in my reviews. As an industry insider, sometimes i get special treatment. I speak with the owners of the companies and the designers of the bikes. I get higher priority responses. In most cases, i get the same exact customer service as any regular joe, but in some cases I get special treatment. For that reason, i try not to comment too much on customer service since I'm not a regular paying customer.
In cases where i interact with a company and don't tell them who I am, i will definitely mention customer service.
@@hardtailparty Good point. I am glad you disclosed any potential bias you may have then. Though I have very little concern the gesture from Stanton will cause your review to be anything but trustworthy, transparency is always important.
Nice
Your logo on a custom bike. How cool is that?!
So rad.
No paint to screw up on the Ti, as long as you can wait an undetermined eternity I bet she is schweeetttt!
my ti one was ready before my steel one.
That 853 looks a lot like a modern take on the Niner MCR (the original one, not that dumb FS gravel bike) which is a good thing.
Love the color... but I am afraid you are incorrect.... the Canfield Nimble 9 was the best looking bike you've had on the channel!
is it only me, or the silhouette of the sherpa looks the same as the hardtail party’s logo? 😁
It's meant to be.
Is the Mint Green 853 steel yours? IE did you buy it? Or is it just for review? Anyway, nice looking bikes. How is the stack height on the Stantons?
It's just for review.
Hi ave ever ridden a chumba sendero mtb if you have what do you think of them.
Just around a parking lot. Not enough to comment on it.
How do you feel about Moots?
Are these available in the US
When you know you want the option to swap wheel sets between 27.5 x 3.0 and 29 x 2.6, do you run a 29" boost or 27.5" boost fork?
29
@@hardtailparty Thanks! Does that give you the standard Stanton geometry, or do they suggest the 27.5+ fork?
Of course mtn bikes today are designed for more rowdy riding than those 26ers from the 90s, but an old Breezer steel frame would be only 4.3 lbs and aluminum would be even lighter.. So I was a little surprised that the 853 frame was 5.8 lbs
That's the lightest steel frame I've had in yet for review. Bikes are a lot beefier these days, with slacker head angles, more travel, more leverage on them with bigger tires, and trails that demand a lot more of them. It used to be that steel bikes were almost as light as ti bikes.