The Race That Killed the Brickyard 400
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- RIP Brickyard 400
August 6, 1994 - July 27, 2008
Video Credits:
AMC TV
Charlie Montgomery
ESPN
FOX Sports
Indianapolis Motor Speedway
jinjabreadman46
LitbyNoonProductions
Louder with Crowder
masulsa40
Michael McIntyre
NASCAR
NBC Sports
RNCoyote
Ok I’m gonna put this here because so many people have a problem with it in this video. In the 90s it was a running joke that Jeff Gordon was the first boy to win at the Brickyard in NASCAR while Dale Earnhardt was the first man to win at the Brickyard. It’s a joke, not a serious dig at Gordon. Lighten up y’all.
That joke was what got this video my like.
It's not like you said anything about his rainbow car.
Lol when I was watching this I knew people would take that the wrong way. Most people just can't take a joke these days. Great video
"I was the first man to win the Brickyard 400" was the comment Dale made to David Letterman. He then smiled and said "Wonderboy won the first one." No joke there, just the facts.
It may have been a bad day in 2008 with tire failure, but there's a lot of fans due to the economic decline with every race. NASCAR killed itself with Brian France Jr. in charge.
Unofficially the first stage race in NASCAR history.
Not even close
Oh really? Do got proof?
It was a joke y’all 🤣
That shit is scripted
@@johnnybgood774 how is NASCAR scripted?
As bad as that is, it's not as bad as when Formula 1 screwed up on this track in 2005.
That's for sure. If we thought 2008 nascar was bad, 2005 F1 was a clusterfuck.
To be fair, Michillan did everything they could to fix the issue once it was known, but a few stubborn people prevented anybody from enjoying a race.
But ChainBear made a video that explains it well, so if you want all the details: ua-cam.com/video/zmCZk1qUtX8/v-deo.html
the thing with f1 is that in 05 there was that dumb rule of no tyre stops, and michelin didn't had test at a similar track to try their tyres (bridgestone had firestone's data), as for nascar goodyear had over a decade of experiece and could have done a tyre test, but still screw up
@@chifurbr There really wasn't a "similar" track for Michelin to test on. Not only did the Indy-circuit have the highest-speed corner on the entire schedule, but the grooving is uniquely designed to for "diamond grinding". Michelin had no way to know just how bad the track was until it was far too late.
Michelin actually flew in a much harder compound that would have been able to survive the race, but the FIA refused to make an exception to the 'only one compound" rule.
@@Dat-Mudkip put my words in the wrong order lol, meant to say didn't had a similar track to test at
NASCAR fans: Indianapolis sucks.
NASCAR: what? Replace one of the most popular races of the season on a holiday weekend with the worst rave of the season? DONE!!!
Sheer desperation play to try to make the brickyard more popular
"We like what we're seeing." -O'Donnell, about to hit another line
The best place on the schedule for the Brickyard 400, in my honest opinion, is on the first Sunday in August.
@@ps3beatswii hahahaha nice
Put Daytona in the middle of hurricane season? You got it man!
Replacing Daytona with indy is the absolute dumbest move,
Jason Jackson especially moving daytona to August. Hello hurricane season!!
Does it really matter? Nobody goes to these races unless nascar changes something....ppl that haven't been to a race in 20 yrs all of a sudden complaining about moving race dates around......bs.
Roger Penske just bought IMS. He won't let that date stay long.
This aged well...
How did it work? Ratings were do to a pandemic and zero sports were on that day.......it wont last, bring them back and let go of the restrictor plates and the yellow line rule......both have actually caused more wrecks
Moving the Daytona 400 race from the 4th of July will be a huge mistake. Nascar learned nothing from trying to replace the Southern 500 with California.
No one ever said it was a permanent change. Having the Brickyard 400 on the 4th of July weekend would bookend the most patriotic period of the year with the Indy 500 on Memorial Day. I don't know how it will play out, but criticism will be dealt with at the time.
NASCAR did that to try to bring more attention and more fans to Auto Club, and to attract more fans in the West Coast
@@jabber1990 it didnt work out and for roughly 6 seasons the labor day race was at Atlanta, which wasn't a bad choice due to the high speeds and worn out asphalt
And they moved the Daytona race in the middle of September. RIGHT in the middle of hurricane season.
@@alexlambert2003 Hmm, that's a hell of an oversight, now isn't it?
But I mean, what's the _worst_ that can happen?
**cue flying stock cars**
Attendance numbers aren’t that terrible when compared to most nascar events, the issue is the amount of seats to fill. That said I’d wish they move the race to Saturday night at IRP. Summer is pretty miserable in Indy which doesn’t help the event either
Better yet indy has a road course let's run that save the race even if we do it for 4 years to test it or lose good year lol
The race used to be run early in the day when it was cooler and ended in the heat of the day. I forgot it used to be run on Saturday too.
@@johnstuart5367 Tried it, didn't work. Back to the oval in 2024.
Goodyear should've been gone from NASCAR after this abomination. The fact they were not fired is just another reminder of NASCAR's deep corruption and idiocy.
Hammer, meet nail.
NASCAR need to open up the tire provider spot to competition. Goodyear are past their use by date. Give another manufacturer a chance.
@@southroncross9515, who would be your top three picks for new NASCAR tire supplier? Mine are General Tire, Bridgestone, and Hoosier.
Go with Michelin they last forever
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@@CountryCarReviews, like how well they lasted during the 2005 Indy F1 Grand Prix?
NASCAR has learned nothing. I haven't watched a race in over 15 years, and I used to never miss a race. The whole "points chase" idea was where it really fell apart. Then they put the top x drivers in points are guaranteed a starting spot, instead of qualifying on time. Seeing the local track experts get in was always fun. The idea of stage racing, just from hearing about it, sucks. NASCAR is so afraid of competition and controversy that the sport has become stagnant.
NASCAR has become so obsessed with attracting other types of crowds that they alienated there core fans. Example, for a Bristol race, 20 years ago you had to get your tickets 3 years in advance. Someone I just talked to said they now close the turns off and move everyone to the straights to make the stands look full on TV. That's a disgrace.
I was the same way/ I planned my Sundays around the race, but I stopped watching back around 2008. I tried watching the Daytona 500 this year and turned it on about ten or fifteen minutes into the race. Then they started doing this segmented race thing. I'd never seen that before. I texted my sister and asked her how long they had been doing it. She said about two or three years now. I turned off the race and haven't watched any since. I'd rather watch the Tour De France than any NASCAR race now and I live in a race city. Two races a year, as a matter of fact. Used to go to the race in March every year. Now, I didn't even realize they were in town this last weekend. Didn't care.
Biggest issue with segment racing is it brings out caution. Give them the points and let race continue.
I'm right there with you. I've been following NASCAR since the early 70s. I now haven't seen a race in 10 years.
Dustin Whitt The previous champions provision before the chase crap started used to irritate me. Either fast enough or try harder next time. I hate to bring it up but when Dale Sr got killed, NASCAR died to. He was the only person who could keep NASCAR in check, in my opinion. I watch races occasionally on tv now but I believe I watch it with nostalgia in mind hoping, falsely, that it’ll get better. Don’t blame you for not watching anymore. It’s a shit show.
When NASCAR started manipulating the races to get the outcome they think the fans want and fail, They just keep manipulating more. It all started when Matt Kenseth won the championship with only winning one race. He was consistently fast all season but was a relative no name in the sport at the time. Scripting works for wrestling but I dont think it will do as well in NASCAR. Perhaps we will see.
Car of tomorrow killed that race and the rest of Nascar.
Yes, that was a really, REALLY big mistake by NASCAR.
"I'm still not a big fan of these things, I can't stand to drive them, they suck!" - Kyle Busch, Bristol victory lane - 2007
@@PacificCoastRailfan I think NASCAR underestimated the value & importance of the aesthetic of the race cars pre COT. I mean, that's what the great die cast sales they'd been enjoying were attributable to. & they forgot that, or they overestimated their place In the sports world. Probably a combination of those things.
@@pigalow2002 NASCAR forgot a lot of things. #1 of those being the fans that were there, year in and year out.
@@SGTJDerek Yup. Took them for granted, figured they would stay no matter what. Well, how wrong they were.
NASCAR forgot its core, ( it's base)
T.hey make/made to many changes away from what us old fans want .
News flash.....there are way more "new young" nascar fans then "old" nascar fans....this is bc when most ppl say the old school was better they mean like the 60s and 70s....that was 50 yrs ago.....not to many ppl still around from that era....
@@kylegroulx4848 Right and car speeds have gotten faster and more powerful.
So therefore the cars themselves needed to get beefed up to handle the extra power and speed.
People can cry about spec'd cars all they want but spec'd cars are safer at the speeds we see now.
Racers and teams are always on a quest for faster, more powerful cars.
Just look at the 24 Hours of Le Mans history when a Group C car was clocked at nearly 250 MPH. And that was a few decades ago.
Scary fast. And is also one of many reasons why Group B Rally was killed off.
Too dangerous for the time. But man those were awesome hi tech rally cars.
@@extremedrivr CART at Texas in 2001 and Indy at Las Vegas in 2011. Too fast to be safe.
Nascar drove us out, for "political correctness"... the Idiots ...
I agree this new point system sucks. Not many can understand it. I miss racing, what we have now is political ideology. Not a fan of that at all.
I would agree that the 2008 killed the race that tire they brought absolutely sucked
I still enjoy the Indy 400 in D I don't know what everybody's problem is with it I enjoy all the history I think what's made the racing bad as they have too many divisions on one track if they put as I call it NASCAR's B series and C Series as back on the short track it would make the weekend a lot better if you put the trucks back on the short track at least the trucks it would be a better weekend but the 2008 weekend I thought we had great racing it might have been a bunch of short runs but I have everything I asked for tree braid short track races any good Cup race at a historic race track that I care more about the history and I would love to win that one day and if you ask any other driver in that field they want to win their
true. and they should have realized Indy is not a place for modern nascar.
@@adam-gg3zt yeah but saying that I still think anyone can win the in Indianapolis race in the NASCAR race as far as I'm concerned that race is always brand the same way I've seen no differences even with the stages stage Racing's hurt NASCAR more than the playoffs has because the stage racing actually bores me because I know when a caution is going to come out and I I prefer the old style racing where you race to set up for the end of the race where the money is paying paid in the points are paid I'm an old-school racer II perform I I prefer that way of
@@ethanwhisman1277 i miss the old points till the end style as well but i fear that is never coming back. Thats what i grew up watching.
@@adam-gg3zt me to
A Nascar fan that dates back to the 60's, I think the "sport" has lost its way. It started as a bunch of guys battling it out to see who had the fastest car. "Car" meaning something everybody could buy from the nearest Hudson, Chrysler, Ford, Chevy or Pontiac dealer. Now due to performance engineering and aerodynamic studies, the "car" is just an illusion. Don't get me wrong, driver safety is important if not essential. I love watching racing but my viewing is mainly K&N, Camping World trucks, and Xfinity races. Monster series has lost its grit.
The sense of Nascar's history has gone, shutting down great tracks like North Wilkesboro, Rockingham, and stealing Labor Day from Darlington just so they can reschedule those dates to newer tracks with more empty seats. Christ, Darlington was the first speedway and 75 cars started that race in 1950.
The point of this meandering is that the spirit of Nascar is right there in its name. National Association of Stock Car Automobile
Racing. Get back to racing STOCK cars...
This. What he said. And moving the Daytona race? Imbeciles.
Ron Melanz Definitely great racing at North Wilkesboro. Backstretch was down hill going into turn three and uphill on the front stretch to turn one. Was blessed to be taken there by my dad twice in the late 80’s. A track with tradition and character for sure.
Supposedly they’re trying to bring back The Rock and “update” it to conform to current standards. Not holding my breath on that speculation.
My family and myself have enjoyed Martinsville. Still decent racing there. Although the racing was decent, we just got the feeling that we were getting financially gouged every time we turned around. So we quit going.
The hometown tracks and different series are definitely worth checking out. I agree a 100% with that. Good, old fashioned racing the way it was meant to be. Hard working folks that like to trade paint, the way it used to be!
Please make them use a stock body on a safe chassis we dont need 200+mph racing we want action on the track I'm happy to see them beat bang and run 150 all day.....same body on every car with stickers that say its a ford or its a chevy is lame....factory front wheel drive on an 1/8 mile track is more exciting to watch then most nascar races
Old dude complaining about stuff going out of business. What political party did you vote for the last 45 years?
Ron Melanz well said sir I have not watched a race in about 15 years it's just not thrilling any more
Still blows my mind that Juan Pablo Montoya, AND Kimi Raikkonen raced in NASCAR.
I recall reading somewhere that Kimi would still be down to come back and race in the truck series assuming Sauber ever finds a Ferrari junior driver that actually can beat him again. He really preferred the culture over the F1 circus which he has ways vocally not cared for.
Maybe Hamilton should go there
I vividly remember with like 5 laps to go in this race an eas tornado warning coming on the tv during this race. Was the most exciting thing that happened that day
Indianapolis seems to be where tire companies go to kill their reputation. With the usgp debacle and this awful brickyard race it just goes to show how tough the high speeds and low banking are on tires.
I live in indianapolis, and was born in '97. In 08 my parents took me to my first Indy 500, the year after this we were going to go to the brickyard but this race convinced my family that it would be a waste of money and we just went to the Indy 500 again.
Yes I think winning at Indianapolis is really a big deal outside of winning at Daytona to me Indianapolis is the track that you really want to win at because of the long history of the track.
Not a NASCAR track.
Or Darlington and Bristol, Martinsville too.
And a lot of credit goes to the COT Car (2007-2012) for killing NASCAR.
Jef Ballard .the COT wasn't used for all of those years
liberals you are correct too that the COT was used sporadically in the beginning but the fans made it crystal clear that they hated the generic bodies. However, Jef is totally right, the COT killed NASCAR. Fans were more knowledgeable of the sport than Brian France is now. He just doubles down on past mistakes. I could go on for a long time about poor decisions that killed the sport but unless someone else takes over the helm, its doomed.
Needle Needle .totally agree with what you said.thanks for replying
Not really its alot of things that have hurt nascar. the economy and tightening family budgets The playoffs and stage racing formats ,points changes, rule changes and the sport being more about sponsor money.
@@windalejrno88 Spence I don't think the economy has much to do with it now. The stands are empty and tickets can be had very cheap. Buy a cheap seat and sit anywhere you want. Maybe for some families, sure, you are definitely right. Im only saying that the COT was the beginning of the end. NASCAR had already tried the IROC series.... identically prepared cars and put the best drivers around the world they could find including NASCAR's best and the stands were empty for those events too. It was "close racing, parody, close finishes". Sound familiar? The COT started a sudden slide and NASCAR tried to replay every thing that had been successful including making the whole series like an All Star race in segments which only took away from what made that day special. Now "to save money" they can only run mandated shocks, mandated springs, mandated gears.... whats left for innovation? Traditionally loved tracks in the southeast were mothballed and new ones built all over the country... NASCAR just knew they had something everyone all over the country would fall in love with... it didn''t happen and it just insulted the fan base that had built them up. Many things has brought the sport down, not just the COT, it was just the beginning of bad decisions. The sport is dead unless something drastic happens like throwing away the plates and end plate racing or open them up and get the speeds back up to 205-215 range. Bring some excitement back to the sport. Otherwise.... NASCAR has seen its best days and dying right in front of us.
This is by far the best NASCAR Channel on UA-cam. The information is provided in a focused yet entertaining way. Keep up the great work, love the videos.
NASCAR is in serious trouble, maybe a; "Car of Yesterday" might save it?
I would love to see some throwback body shapes!
Bryan G. Yeah for real
I want the “Car of Yesterday” to be actual production models.
Ive said nascar should have a couple races each year , maybe 3-4 of just old , real , stock cars racing .
bring out the old mercury cyclones, ford galaxies , dodge chargers . hell those cars were going as fast as today and there were no more fatalities then .
Or at least an actual drafting package
No “Firecracker 400”!!!! Just one more reason for this old skool NASCAR fan to completely leave
DohctorSmith see ya
I left 5 years ago, and haven't missed it one bit! Only racing series I keep up with is the one that the Corvettes run in. Can't remember the name of it...
@@pg1171 Then you dont keep up with it if you cant remember the name of it. Lol
Fair weather racing fan id say. Lol
I am never leaving NASCAR. Not if I can help it.
Bye
Facts. In 2008 Goodyear performed their tire test in March. I live in Indiana, in March, we still get freaking snow here! You cannot use a tire in July when you test in 30+ degree colder weather. On top of that, Indy’s ticket policy sucks, therefore, they refused refunds to all the fans that wanted to leave during this race, Indy still hasn’t learned from that mistake. Hopefully, Penske changes that.
And they apparently only sold 13,000 tickets this year. Time to consider this a lost cause.
Moments like this ruin a great sport. People forget beautiful stories that happened afterwards. Jamie Mac, Paul Menard, Ryan Newman scoring a home track win. Jeff Gordon winning as an aging legend. Kasey Kahne giving it his all in 2017 to win even though he was obviously sick from exhaustion. It's not the track, the tires. It's people and their opinion. Mine is this. Indy is still great. And always will be. Either stock car or open wheel
Indianapolis is a good track, and ever since they introduced that "high drag" package the racing there has been amazing to watch.
Yup
Erica I couldn't agree with you more.
Dat-Mudkip actually it will suck one groove track. They will be close but you won’t be able to pass it will be ass. It’s also in the hot sun and slick. Package will be complete shit like it is.
@@tamezzodiac2862 U very well may be right. Let's just wait and see though. We may get a surprise
Nascar's Crown Jewel Races have been and should always be.
Daytona 500
World 600
Firecracker 400
Southern 500
Bristol Night Race
We need more of tony Stewart bashing Goodyear
The only problem, shit talk it all you want but unless they race team alliance collapses they will never use another manufacturer.
I was at that race. I was 11 years old. And let me say, that was one of the nicest naps I ever took.
Zack lmao
Stage racing killed NASCAR...
Not stage racing, but the fact they throw a caution at each stage. I say run stage racing to try to earn those points, just do not throw cautions to allow the bunching up of the cars at a restart.
COT, lack of rivalries, dominance by one ownership team, lack of small teams all killed NASCAR.
I have been watching nascar since I was 5. I'm soon to be 35. I left before the stage stuff started. I might tune in to a race once and a while, but I don't care any more. The chase is what caused me to lose interest. I was ok with only ten drivers being in it, but over time. Nascar added more drivers. Then kept changing the rules to get in. Them wanting to add artificial drama. Was another tipping point for me. The whole cot era. Was full of phantom cautions. That made races more boring. Plus the looks of the cot car. It didn't help. I came back when they made the current bodies. In 2013 for a while. As they looked like proper race cars again. The final straw was kyle winning that championship around 15 or 16. After missing 1/4 of the year. Because of a injury at daytona. No matter who the driver was. He shouldn't be able to miss that munch racing, and get free ride to the chase.
@@Hazel-the-Amazon that's y i think indycar these years might be better racing than nascar
@@趙祖睿 Depends on where they are racing. Most ovals suck. Indy is the only good oval race. As racing is usually pretty close. I truly think think indy cars shine on road courses. As many of the drivers any more. Come from other countries., and grew up making making left and right turns.
2019 attendance was pathetic. I have actually had some fans say it was the fault of people like myself who refused to spend hard earned money to attend and watch the pathetic excuse for racing which Nascar has become.
The attendance was the same amount that was out at Bristol the previous weak which was "packed" the problem isn't the amount of people the problem is the ratio of fans to seats which is a shame
I'd say that I'd rather spend hard earned money on something that is actually worth watching. Like a Pro wrestling match. And I don't watch those either!
NASCAR has more to worry about than the Brickyard.
Watch this weekend. Passing will be nearly impossible due to lack of horsepower and high downforce.
Still better than the inaugural Talladega 500.
NA$CAR killed the Brickyard 400.
And Bristol.
And Talladega.
And pretty much everything else about the sport.
Funny how a series that has been having trouble attracting sponsors is now telling teams who can and can't sponsor their cars. I'll stick to supporting my local short tracks on Saturday night and keep my Sundays free.
And Now with Nascar going against the 2nd Amendment. There won't be a Nascar in 5 years. Or less. 👍👍
Much better racing at your local track's
@@fcz64 Fuck the NRA, NASCAR has been dead way before those crooks started crying about NASCARS stance on guns.
@@billgoss9007 crooks? What are you on about?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong Just because NASCAR isn't allowing gun ads or sponsors doesn't make them anti 2nd amendment, in fact many higher ups in NASCAR have gone to Trump Rallies and have openly put out right wing support. The reason behind the ban of those ads is to stay out of the controversy until it blows over.
2008 Brickyard 400 was the ultimate embarrassment to NASCAR and you said it best in your charter video, this year’s Indy 500 qualifying was a lot more exciting than last 8 NASCAR races.
Nascar has been dying ever since 2008 and back I do not watch on Tv anymore.
You don’t watch it anymore, but somehow you’re still an expert, right?
Dumfuq!
Tbf it's gotten better in recent years but they need to get rid of the play off system and stages
I appreciate the Stephen Crowder reference with his dumpster fire parody.
Whilst the attendance figures are interesting - i'd be interested in how the % drop in attendances compares to other events on the calendar - if it was an extraordinary drop or compared to other races not as much. Bristol has been struggling even of late am I right?
(should point out in UK here, followed NASCAR since 2004 but not been in touch ever since stage racing etc came in)
This was the first nascar race I had every been to and it was also my last. After a race to terrible I honestly thought people should get there money back.
I'm surprised they didn't refund everyone. I was at the 2005 USGP when all the Michelin teams didn't start. Michelin refunded everyone who bought a ticket that year and paid for 20,000 tickets for the 2006 race to people who were at the 2005 race.
NASCAR is self destructing within its self! Not only Brickyard!
Can you do a video on the 2005 Charlotte levigation disaster? 2 races, 37 cautions, tire debacles,
LMS: "i'm going to ruin this whole man's career!"
The difference is that while that Coke 600 was a total shitshow, it was also a very entertaining race with a thrilling finish. I’d actually say it’s one of my favorite 600s. Someone crashed out of the same race twice, how can you not love that?
They did a great job in 2018 having it on the opening day of the Colts to add to the low attendance and then tried to rectify it this year by swapping dates.
Also, can you do a countdown of NASCAR worst races of all time and best races of all time? Those are good video ideas, right there ;)
Great Idea Ian!!! 👌👌
It would start with the first talladega race, then end with every Indy and pocono race ever 🤣
Andy Garcia 🤣
This one would be number one or two behind Talladega 1969.
@@AndyGarcia-ch1ci Pocono was good before the newer cars.
I was liking the video already, but then the Crowder clip took it to the next level.
is it just me, or do tyre failures and Indy go hand-in-hand?
NASCAR has forgotten where it all started.....the South! It has forgotten its southern roots. Down to only 1 race in Darlington, shutdown Rockingham and Wilkesboro. Then with all the restrictions added to it. It’s a dying sport, I have no interest in it anymore either.
You are correct sir! Just a dang shame.
Southern history yes; however, thousands of race fans in North dominated by the affordable, fun, friendly, family, old school short oval tracks, dirt and paved, they have the 'feel' of what Southern NASCAR use to be when it was popular. And the small time racer can afford to come and race.
From 2008 to present, nascar has gone downhill rapidly and the Racing hasn’t been the same.
2022 will be the last Brickyard race for NASCAR. It’s off the schedule after that
That's cool
Well now I’m not so sure , Roger bought the track
The five major races in NASCAR are
Daytona 500
Come 600
Southern 500
Brickyard 400
Fall Talladega 500 (Winston 500)
The Bristol Night Race should be a major race too
Reverend Rasheem Stewart lol no talladega isn’t a big race.
The Fall Talladega Race is not a major race. The Spring Race has been WAY better than Fall Race.
I feel like Watkins Glen is there as well as Bristol.
what the hell is the come 600?
I'm just getting back into NASCAR after being away for almost 15 years. It's sad to see so few people in the stands these days and the sport seems to have every excuse why its happening.
One of the best videos you've made! Love your channel!
God I remember watching that race. It was bad just so very bad. Great video sir keep up the good work.
It also didn’t help that JJ won... after 2007 when it was obvious he won a championship he didn’t deserve... 2007 was the last year the NASCAR fandom had any kind words for JJ... 2008 was the death of the Brickyard 400... oh and the weather usually sucks too
Man fuck you! All u JJ haters need to kiss the rings bitches! Nascar didn't deserve JJ you punk bitch. Good night John Boy!🖕🤣
Before I ever raced, I thought Good year tires were a great product,after I tried them, I prefer Hoosier or Firestone
NASCAR committed suicide by forgetting the Golden rule of sales...The customer is always right.
1. Fans want the cars to be shaped similar to their model name...they are not.
2. Fans don't like stage racing....tv does.
3. Fans don't like paying for cable TV to watch a race....
4. Fans don't like the obvious favoritism in rules enforcement shown to the top teams...
5. Fans don't like restrictor plates and the freight train racing it causes. (There are much better ways to keep top speeds down without taking away the safety of good acceleration )
6. Fans don't like the rediculous ticket prices. (Why don't they understand that when young folks see the empty stands on tv it turns them off?)
7. Fans don't like having SOOOOOO many cookie cutter 1.5 tracks.
8. Fans don't like it when the driver who wins the most races is not the champion. OMG the playoff scenarios over the last 2 decades have all been stupid and only rarely award the best team.
I could go on but why? No decision makers are listening because they think they know everything but it is apparent to anyone with an ounce of common Sense that they do not. NASCAR is basically dead and will only remain on Life support due to cable deals and sponsor money.
Eddie Huff, I do believe you have figured out what is killing NASCAR "with an ounce of common Sense." The lack of common sense is killing most things in America today.
Fun fact, my dumb 9/10 year old self watching nascar in only my 2nd season was thinking there’s too many long green flag runs in race, we need more cautions. And then this race happened a week after I said that.
Tire problems and Indiannapolis Motor Speedway in the 00's, name a more iconic problem.
Unofficially dubbed by me: The Jokeyard 400
Kasey Kahne's win a couple years ago was the best modern race I've seen at the Brickyard. Good racing, a lot of action near the end, and an old dog winning again after far too many years
I exactly agree the 2008 race was the beginning of the end for nascar at indy. Not only a terrible race, but a pr disaster for Goodyear.
This event was brought about by Tony George during the same year of 1994 he would issue a press release creating the IRL and some say he used the Brickyard 400 revenue to keep the IRL looking like is was in the black but it really was in the red. The Brickyard 400 had to be the being of the NASCAR expansion to larger markets as well which turned out bad for the most part. It’s interesting that the Brickyard 400 was thriving during the Indycar split 1996-2008. Then after Indycar merged the Indy 500 attendance started to go back up for the last 5 years.
MY TOP 10 Drivers Who Have NEVER Won at the BRICKYARD:
10. Dale Jr.
9. Joey Logano
8. Carl Edwards
7. Martin Truex Jr.
6. Kurt Busch
5. Matt Kenseth
4. Mark Martin
3. Denny Hamlin
2. Rusty Wallace
1. Darrell Waltrip
2008 was also the year the COT went full-time. The COT had a higher center of gravity than the Gen 4 car, which Goodyear did not accommodate for with the tire compound they brought to Indy that year.
As much as the Brickyard 400 doesn't bother me, I think they should pack it up, call it quits because no one's gonna attend after the circus of 2008. NASCAR and Indy should've gotten a divorce a long time ago. Leave Indy to IndyCar. The 4th crown jewel race should be either the night race or Talladega like the Diehard 500 races from the past
The 2008 Brickyard 400 was like the 2005 United States Grand Prix because of tires.
I remember when I used to watch racing. Jeff Gordon was my favorite driver.
Ok?
@@ryanwinkelman1781, Ok?
He's mines too
I want an alternative broadcast. No announcers and mostly in-car cameras. I want to watch in-car cameras for multiple laps at a time. I want to hear the radio chatter. I want to hear the engines more! I know that footage exists. I believe the Racing is still good, but as a society with technology, the old 2001 format of showing the races is stale.
jayfiver rides I’ve always enjoyed the MRN/PRN radio broadcasts better than the tv folks.
I haven't even watched the video but I know this video speaks the truth
NASCAR died the day they announced the race for the chase and then subsequently changed the rules for the chase every single year that followed. Every year NASCAR changed the rules of how the champion would be crowned, they erased more and more of it's history and the drivers who held records in the sport. It's the equivalent of moving the home plate, pitchers mount and the out field fence every season of MLB. What good are home run stats when the distance to the fence keeps moving? And as a reminder, NASCAR secretly did this because Hendrick's and "Wonder Boy" Jeff Gordon was so dominant that they figured if they poured salt in the soup they could fix the flavor. Oh and then Jimmy Johnson won everything since! NICE WORK!
Brickyard 400: dead
Indy road course (brickyard 200) : curbster fire
Solution: Indianapolis raceway park
also in 2016- Jeff Gordon comes out of retirement to sub for Dale Jr- had no impact on attendance- maybe 35k-40k total in the stands- and embarrassing amount of empty seats!
Who’s here after Fall Texas 2022?
Meeeee
I still remember how issues with the Michelin tyres were the reason that Formula One stopped racing at Indy, even though the infield track at Indy was incredible. Really unfortunate to see tires become such an issue for other Motorsport series (aside from IndyCar).
It's 11 years ago. People need to get over it.
I was there that day. Drove from Philly with my son for one day of racing. We were both NASCAR fans but it changed that day. Didn't go back to Indy until 2012 when they ran Grand-Am Rolex (now IMSA) sports cars on the infield road course. Best racing ever. Today we attend at least half a dozen IMSA races each year. How many NASCAR races do we attend in a year? Hint: Less than one.
Two things. Kahnes win two years ago was great. Best race ive seen at that track. Second. I was disappointed when nascar decided not to use the road course at this place instead of charlotte. Maybe that could save this venue
What about Paul Menard getting one for his daddy? And Ryan Newman getting a home track win... These moments are huge as well
keivn craft it was
I lived in Illinois and as a small child my grandma took me out to the Brickyard every year from 1996-2006 staying with family and tailgating inside the track at turn 3 every year. Then I moved to California for 7 years and then ended up going to the Brickyard last minute in 2017, bought tickets with my cousin the night before for $20 when we used to reserve our seats again the day after the race before.
The tickets were literally sit anywhere you want and move at any point. All of turn 3/4 were blocked off to try and keep crowds in a couple stands for shots. We just went right up to the start finish line like it was nothing.
The race was nothing like before. It was so boring, MTJ and KB just led in a line all day. Every time they came by you were just looking at a line of cars.
I’ve been going to the indy500 since 2014 now though and my god is that some racing!! Indycar is the sport that needs to blow up because those guys have amazing machines and know how to drive them.
I think the COT had as much do with it as anything. That package alone hurt the sport detrimentally.
Not sure why a tire problem, which I assume is long since fixed, had much to do with the Brickyard and the falling interest there. I think there are alot more factors at play than that.
never thought NASCAR had any business at this track anyway. this track is not built for these kind of cars. never cared for the race. let it die.
When they tried a few tests back in the 70's to see if it would be possible to run stock cars at Indy Richard Petty and the other drivers then told NASCAR that the track was not suitable for that style of racing. The walls were not strong enough for stock cars and the track wasn't wide enough. Granted the cars were a lot bigger back then but the reasons were the same. My late son-in-law and I were at the '08 race sitting in turn four and every time they came around the turn we got hit by the tire dust. We went home with our whole left sides covered with tire rubber. A lot of people were leaving before the race even ended.
My first brickyard was 2009! Pretty good attendance from my view post out in turn 3.
To be fair I don't think attendance is good for nascar anywhere I ve seen alot of empty stands at almost every race. I also think ims was never meant to run stock cars it has no bank nascar are big and bulky dont take turns well, passing is almost non existent it is a indy car track and almost 300000 show up to that every year to the 500 I honestly don't see a reason to run the race anymore
THANK GOD you had a Louder With Crowder reference in here. DUMPSTER FURRRR
Nice track. Nascar has their big TV deals. The fan in the stands doesn’t matter like it did in the past. Nascar getting paid regardless.
NASCAR has its big TV deals. And those big TV contracts are why I don't watch anymore, at least not live. More than 50% of the races are now broadcast on the network's cable only channels. Since I refuse to be ripped off by cable and satellite providers, those races are unavailable to me. I pick which races I want to see, and watch them on UA-cam a couple weeks later.
Iver Tranes I still watch it but you are exactly right you are spot on. It’s about like University of Kentucky basketball that I dearly love you have to have cable or satellite to get a lot of the games years ago they come on the local channels for free.
Going to a NASCAR race for the average family of 4 is way too expensive.
Goodyear really truly cant make a decent racing tire to save there lives
2:23 where did you find that clip?
This happens when you let corporate Goodyear supply your tires. In the late 80s and early 90s Hoosier tire petty much was the tire to beat
“The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is the most historic track in the whole of motorsport”.
Sure. Except for Brooklands, Monza, Spa Francorchamps, Nurburgring Nordschleife, Circuit de la Sarthe, Goodwood, Monaco and Hockenheim - it probably is.
Lol its far more historic than all of those tracks sorry, none of the tracks you've named are even part of the triple crown lmao, seriously?...except Monaco of course but unfortunately when Monaco is not producing the saddest racing on earth its simply an artery to purchase baguettes.
@@penskepc2374 Le Mans?
Susan Loughlin “saddest racing on earth” and watching a car turn left for hours on end is any less sad?
Well the COT was the Absolute WORST mistake ever. Goodyear didn't help this day either
Nascar popularity exploded in the mid/late-90's and now it's just gone back to the fans (and those fans kids) who liked it before that time. Some people wonder why the popularity has dwindled, but I wonder how it ever got so popular to begin with? I know that sounds like a slight, but it's an honest question.
Jason Vyzer actually it’s most popular era was a few years after Dale Earnhardt Sr died (based off attendance and tv ratings).
to be fair: 70,000 is still pretty damn good
30k this weekend
Dodger Stadium holds 56000 people, AT&T Stadium holds 100,000. Those aren't good attendance numbers for a race.
That track can hold over 200,000 people though
Indy can fit almost 300,000 people.
70k isn’t good for a 2.5 speedway. That’s like a couple of people watching a high school softball game.
I think it’s a little crazy as a kid I hoped nascar and goodyear would build tires that would hold up and be almost bulletproof.
Now we are wanting them to change compounds so they will wear so turning left for 500 miles will be more interesting. Absolutely strange how thin the line is between Entertainment and circus is.
Nascar is dead if they dont get back to their roots. It's a real shame.
I have going to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway over 30 years. I love the '500'. The 2008 brickyard 400 was a flat out bad, but the f1 race there in 2005 was worse.
Only race that matters is Indy 500 NASCAR is done
You crazy as hell Indy 500 is literally 500 miles of me taking a nap. Boring. Single file racing the entire way till the last lap. I will never watch an Indy car race. I’d almost rather watch formula 1
Andy Garcia no way fruit loop nascar is over toast
Andy Garcia you, sir, are delusional.
I live in Indiana yes that race was horrible and as most driver's said the race shouldn't have taken place for safety reasons. But the reason the Brickyard has failed was every year the race kept getting later and later into the fall originally it was at the end of summer when people are on vacation which is why the attendance was so high.
I. Hate. NASCAR. At. INDY.
Also DUMPSTER FIRE 2:23
NASCAR doesn't deserve to be at Indy
Someone’s REALLY angry
RC RACER 88 let the man have his opinion
NASCAR Busts: Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Heres my two cents on this. Yes, Goodyear had a horrible tire but let's not forget that this was the first full year for the Car of Tomorrow. Goodyear had to learn and adapt to what teams were doing and the increase in side force and not just down force. Those cars had a wider foot print, was taller, different Center of Gravity along with the horrible aero push and side force factors. NASCAR was fortunate that this happened as late as it did in the season. It was just the perfect storm that befell the 2008 Brickyard.
And it looks like we're going to get this Terrible Day *AGAIN* in 2020.
So please NASCAR, if you are watching this, *GET RID OF THIS TRACK AFTER 2020!!!*
A few weeks ago they reported that there was only 13,000 tickets sold for Indy. That number might have went up since then but I can't imagine it being much more then that.