Depends on what you mean by people. I count among people and I built an elemental mage the moment KFT hit. Is especially sweet in Wild, where you get a free Rag Lightlord out of having Rag Firelord on the board. Also, N'Zoth + Pyros = way too much value. Only downside is the deck can't run Anomalus because of it. Sadly, considering the prevalence of Big OMG MAKE IT STOP Priest, Demonlock and Jade Druid, the deck doesn't win in the control matchups nearly as often as it would like.
I find it kinda funny how Blizzard has been hard-pushing Taunt Warrior for like 4 expansions and nothing happened until they gave it the Quest, yet Taunt Druid happens out of nowhere within a single expansion with a grand total of like 3 cards actually supporting it.
At the start of the game: "Jaina is not quite powerfull enough to beat druids..." Immediately after the game: "Thats what i was talking about, Jaina is so incredibly powerfull!"
Firelands Portal (Deal 5 Damage, summon a 5/5 ave.) + Shield Block + Sprint = 17 Mana Ultimate Infestation (All of the above) = 10 Mana Yes, it is by definition a broken card.
Looking back on metas like this, god I miss the old days, long games fought with skill and honor! Enter today’s meta, where tokens and highlander hunter ruin my life.
não foi somente a Jaina, cara você é o melhor jogador de Hearthstone que eu conheço. Respeito os outros, mas você realmente é coisa de outro mundo, seu RNG é GODLIKE! haha
I think it is easy to undervalue the lifesteal Jaine gives your elementals, because it often does not gain you that much life, but it instead takes away your opponents ability to race you and forces them to play for board.
"OMG i got a 1 golden blaze caller and 1 regular, it makes me wanna vomit", well that isnt a problem for me cuz when i get golden cards i disenchant em for actually useful cards *cough* treachery *cough*
I'm pretty glad I didn't dust her. I thought she was bad initially due to mana cost, but with the mage kit and the elemental benefit it justify the cost. I just wonder if she will be good in long term
Why would you use sindragosa in this deck over LK? I get the combo, but the LK seems much more consistently powerful, rather than having good random legendary and a water elemental?
100% agree. Black Knight is pretty popular right now and from my expirance deathknight card is not always (very frequently even) not a card which you'd like to play. Like discard cards (in control close you up to fatigue) or army of dead (or something like that), 6 mana which pulls 5 cards from your deck which again is not so good in control match-up. Unless you're playing against druid which have no hard AOE. (but druid is not stricte control). Anyway I kinda feel much less excited about Lich King now than at the begining of the expension. Also 1 mana draw a card (usually even insane card) and summon 3/6 with lifesteal with freeze effect (great ability to stalling a game) is imo on my ocasions more powerfull than random deathknight card.
Triple Frost Nova to deny mana after a Living Lands didn't hurt either...Of course, had Jaina not been active by then, it probably wouldn't have mattered much in the long run.
honestly people will hate me probably, since ''but druid op right now'' but i just instantly crafted the greediest druid deck ever with the lich king, the 9mana spider, and nzoth. also an ultimate infestation and a jade idol. but thats cause i opened malfurion in a pack, elemental mage would have been my next go to, or otherwise warlock with defile and all that cool stuff
Druppel same I opened death knight malfurion, hadronox and an ultimate infestation so I was like guess we playing Druid this meta :p never saw it coming that druid would.become the new number 1 hated class
I actually think Frost lich Jaina is relly OP. The reason why people don't feel about it right now is simply because there are more op stuffs out there...if those are gone, you would see jaina is basically unkillable.
MECHAALIEN it's also useful against pirate warrior and murloc shaman. In general it's an ok card. With the amount of aggro decks going about, you can justify running it in a few decks. Though with DK Jaina it becomes so much more powerful
The problem with this new Druid deck is exactly this. Some good control and they just fatigue and run out of steam. If you include ramp and double ultimate infestation and get your board nova doomsayer or brawl or whatever you just have nothing left to come back with.
Even if I play as scum (aka Jade Druid) Jaina still defeats me most of the time because I end up not being able to do enough while she freezes the world.
People hate oppressive decks more so than aggro. Until now aggro has usually been more oppressive. Hearthstone isn't fun when you feel like there is nothing you can do to win.
Yeah that's kind of my point. People hate whatever they _feel_ they can't beat, whether it's an aggro deck, a control deck, or a midrange deck. But you wouldn't think that looking at comments on Hearthstone content. So much people always hating on aggro, and wishing for a "control meta." I think it was Trump who said that ,most people wishing for such a meta would hate it within a couple of days, and they'd beg to play against aggro again.
Your point stands, but the reason people hate aggro is that traditionally, aggro has dominated hearthstone. Losing by turn 5 every game gets old and you start to hate it. That said, losing in the late game to druid (or priest rn imo) when there's nothing you can do doesn't feel good either. People just want the game to be diverse and balanced.
one of druid problem in this meta is his low mana cost DK and OP hero power. I put in the 3cost hero power disabler in my handbuff pally deck, surprisingly, the druid DK became pretty useless for many turns until he able to knock down my taunt wall and disable card. p/s: that card makes machinegun anduin became useless too.
That's actually pretty clever idea! Druid new heropower is really good clear tool in druid because beside few low cost removals druid has no other clear option in his arsenal (don't count UI, it's a different story. It is used to draw, not clear, mostly) So buffed 2/5 is pretty insane in this. Also good counter to priest heropower so yeah, I really like the idea! I hope more people will actually try your idea out because that's very creative.
Tbf he didn't want it to be cleared, If both sides spamed nothing but minions then Mage would win as Druid had like 5 minion slots filled with frozen living mana and every turn he was playing (adleast) a 3/6 water elemental. With every passing turn his board got stronger while the Druid's stayed the same because of how hampering living mana can be.
When I was just starting out in Hearthstone, if you would've just told me there's a mage deck out there called "Freeze Mage", I would've probably imagined something like this. A cool (ba-dum-tish!) elemental ice deck with lots of nifty freeze synergies; not a bullshit OTK burn deck. This is glorious! :D
Spreading plague works like Unleash the Hound and he wanted to kill Baron right away. In his way he got 2 scarab instead of 1 (if his minions were alive).
No. Spreading Plague works differently from Unleash the Hounds, so in order to make the same amount of scarabs as enemy minions there are in play, your side of the board needs to be clean. In your play, the board on druid's side would have been 3, thus Spreading Plague would have made 0 scarabs. If he traded, then played the 1/6, then Spreading Plague, he'd still have ended up with 1 less scarab (6 stats neat value) just to buff Crypt Lord by 1 Health (1 stat value). Hope I made it clear. My english's pretty rusty.
Spreading Plague is not like Unleash the Hounds. It summon scarabs until the number of minions on each side is equal. Doing it the way you suggest results in summoning one scarab as after he plays the crypt lord they would both have three minions, so spreading plague would only cast once and not recast itself. The choice is +2 health on the 1/6 or a second scarab. A second scarab is the better option so his play was correct.
baron geddon with lifesteal.... a whole new world has opened in front of my eyes
Druppel Anomalus with Lifesteal is pretty sweet too.
Yea I think StrifeCro was mentioning how Anomalus behind an Iceblock was crazy value board clear + reno I mean you lose your block but holy shit lol.
I once Renoed with Anomalus.
I'm still wondering why people don't make a tribal mage deck with elementals...people need some time to think I guess.
Depends on what you mean by people. I count among people and I built an elemental mage the moment KFT hit. Is especially sweet in Wild, where you get a free Rag Lightlord out of having Rag Firelord on the board. Also, N'Zoth + Pyros = way too much value. Only downside is the deck can't run Anomalus because of it. Sadly, considering the prevalence of Big OMG MAKE IT STOP Priest, Demonlock and Jade Druid, the deck doesn't win in the control matchups nearly as often as it would like.
I find it kinda funny how Blizzard has been hard-pushing Taunt Warrior for like 4 expansions and nothing happened until they gave it the Quest, yet Taunt Druid happens out of nowhere within a single expansion with a grand total of like 3 cards actually supporting it.
Jaina is the element of surprise
russet fur Jaina should have an elemental of surprise
russet fur leave
russet fur well let's be honest. in any situation where the druids first 4 turns weren't horrible kibler would have been dead by turn 8.
she really knows how to steal the life out of the show
No one expects the Jaina inquisition.
At the start of the game: "Jaina is not quite powerfull enough to beat druids..."
Immediately after the game: "Thats what i was talking about, Jaina is so incredibly powerfull!"
i love how the song plays for minutes and the editor actually timed it for the ending gj mr editor gj
Firelands Portal (Deal 5 Damage, summon a 5/5 ave.) + Shield Block + Sprint = 17 Mana
Ultimate Infestation (All of the above) = 10 Mana
Yes, it is by definition a broken card.
that not how that works at all. ultimate isnt the problem. but you probably dont understand how card design and deck building works.
You also have to realize Ultimate is an epic card. You just named 3 common cards IIRC.
Looking back on metas like this, god I miss the old days, long games fought with skill and honor!
Enter today’s meta, where tokens and highlander hunter ruin my life.
Yup, good old times
Oh boy, I bet you feel real silly with the meta being what it is now, past you doesn't realize how good he had it
I quit hearthstone 6 months ago and though I still watch kibler I think I’m glad I wasn’t part of this meta.
The best things about kiblers videos is the way the Laugh
When you play Magic the Gathering and call "lifesteal" "lifelink" @12:01
Oh the good ol' days, when you deigned use greeting against druid.
*"You're shivering. Are you afraid?"*
No, I am just cold from being perma-frozen by Frost Nova and Water Elementals... ಠ_ಠ
Winters here and it's cold! this sets voice lines are actually some of my favorite, theyre so funny
druid is a problem but mage can freeze your board for the whole match, cause thats fun
não foi somente a Jaina, cara você é o melhor jogador de Hearthstone que eu conheço. Respeito os outros, mas você realmente é coisa de outro mundo, seu RNG é GODLIKE! haha
I love how little attention Saronite Chain Gang gets when compared to an ocean of flashier cards. Its a really good card. It works in so many decks.
Hey look! That dad from Modern Family is playing Hearthstone.
roid head, please go pump your fake muscle lol.
vaj rab thats a picture of Frank Zane. Prob not him
Lrn Clssn You mean the kappa one? GayPride
DADDY MADE TOYS OF YOU
The REAL freeze mage.
How about Ultimate Infestation also read "Overload (5)"?
Kiblers decks eclipses all of his opponents
That druid must have been tilted out of his mind with all those freezes
Man, I'm having a heard time trying to make it to rank 15.
IKR
dude I cant get past rank 18 just because I refuse to play Druid lmao
HyperThermal I can't pass rank 13 because every single game is either murlocs paladin or jades
If you can't get passed rank 18, it's not because you refuse to play Druid. It's because you're bad.
+Chris Bratton Im so offended right now guys. Chris Balton called me bad
I wonder what they were thinking with some of the Druid cards they made this expansion. They're too good
If the Druid had Jade Idol he would have won, plain and simple.
I think it is easy to undervalue the lifesteal Jaine gives your elementals, because it often does not gain you that much life, but it instead takes away your opponents ability to race you and forces them to play for board.
thumbnail made me think it said foot lick jaina
Successfully updated.
"OMG i got a 1 golden blaze caller and 1 regular, it makes me wanna vomit", well that isnt a problem for me cuz when i get golden cards i disenchant em for actually useful cards *cough* treachery *cough*
I'm pretty glad I didn't dust her. I thought she was bad initially due to mana cost, but with the mage kit and the elemental benefit it justify the cost. I just wonder if she will be good in long term
Kibler is daddy.
DADDY MADE TOYS OF YOU
Onamalus is actually insane with mage hero card. When he gets killed almost always full health back because of lifesteal AOE.
First time I've seen the line from dk druid conceding
Easy to feel powerful when you freeze everything for 3 straight turns.
Triple frost nova's kinda neat too
I think now minion is not frozen before it dies. Looks like they changed that in this expansion
1:49 Get yer shit together, Kibler!
Jaina alone won him that game... plus 3 Frost Novas XD
Elemental Mage looks pretty fun to play. I even have DK Jaina Too bad I don't have the dust yet to get all the creatures.
I wish I could try a deck like this, but I don't have any of the legendaries :/
it was the 3 novas, jaina helped a little
well...jaina and 3 frost novas
Now the face hunter moved to this fucking druid. EVERY SINGLE GAME
Appreciate every video where druid gets crushed 🙏🏻
Currently rank 1 with highlander priest and it SUCKS
HE SAID LIFELINK!!HOW CUTE :D
Sindragosa hurts my eyes, its so grey
Why would you use sindragosa in this deck over LK? I get the combo, but the LK seems much more consistently powerful, rather than having good random legendary and a water elemental?
Sindragosa is better in long attrition games, and isn't vulnerable to The Black Knight, which is very popular right now
100% agree. Black Knight is pretty popular right now and from my expirance deathknight card is not always (very frequently even) not a card which you'd like to play. Like discard cards (in control close you up to fatigue) or army of dead (or something like that), 6 mana which pulls 5 cards from your deck which again is not so good in control match-up. Unless you're playing against druid which have no hard AOE. (but druid is not stricte control). Anyway I kinda feel much less excited about Lich King now than at the begining of the expension. Also 1 mana draw a card (usually even insane card) and summon 3/6 with lifesteal with freeze effect (great ability to stalling a game) is imo on my ocasions more powerfull than random deathknight card.
you think once the druids meta shifts there is actually a place for a solid legend Jaina deck?
Always fun to see the complained about decks (sometimes fairly) getting beaten here.
Dk jaina or Dk guldam?? Wich one do i pick?
I do have baron geddon
Yes
Triple Frost Nova to deny mana after a Living Lands didn't hurt either...Of course, had Jaina not been active by then, it probably wouldn't have mattered much in the long run.
so satisfying to see a druid just get outplayed so hard.
Does anyone think it's worth crafting Frost Lich Jaina?
If you like playing mage, she's pretty cool. The elemental synergy is fun to play for me personally.
Zae I pretty much just play mage so i might aswell lol.
Lol she's really powerful, when you play her and you survive the next turn, it's an insta win cause of the heals and elemental spawns
Mr.Pixel The only problem for me is the luck of dust. What elementals do you think are ESSENTIAL to have?
Lol I personally think that control mage with only pyros and geddon is better than going all in on the elemental synergy
honestly people will hate me probably, since ''but druid op right now'' but i just instantly crafted the greediest druid deck ever with the lich king, the 9mana spider, and nzoth. also an ultimate infestation and a jade idol. but thats cause i opened malfurion in a pack, elemental mage would have been my next go to, or otherwise warlock with defile and all that cool stuff
Druppel same I opened death knight malfurion, hadronox and an ultimate infestation so I was like guess we playing Druid this meta :p never saw it coming that druid would.become the new number 1 hated class
Druppel its not op, ppl over 50% on ladder play it
I opened both Rotface and death knight Garrosh. Wonder what Blizzard wants me to play?
Druppel those are the best sort of decks!
Druppel the spider sucks actualy. And jade idol doesn't go into that deck.
I actually think Frost lich Jaina is relly OP. The reason why people don't feel about it right now is simply because there are more op stuffs out there...if those are gone, you would see jaina is basically unkillable.
In wich card pack do you find Dragons
Am I the only one who disenchants golden cards for dust over regulars? Fuck keeping them lmao
is baron gedon REALLY necessary ??? i dont feel like 1600 dust for one card who is only useful in one deck type arch type that has mild success...
MECHAALIEN it's also useful against pirate warrior and murloc shaman. In general it's an ok card. With the amount of aggro decks going about, you can justify running it in a few decks. Though with DK Jaina it becomes so much more powerful
The problem with this new Druid deck is exactly this. Some good control and they just fatigue and run out of steam. If you include ramp and double ultimate infestation and get your board nova doomsayer or brawl or whatever you just have nothing left to come back with.
Druid and druid and druid.
Isaac Williamson pw pw pw pw pw
Even if I play as scum (aka Jade Druid) Jaina still defeats me most of the time because I end up not being able to do enough while she freezes the world.
Bartosz N git gud Mr druid
I like how there's suddenly so much hate for Druids. Proves that people didn't really hate aggro after all, they just hate good decks.
People hate oppressive decks more so than aggro. Until now aggro has usually been more oppressive. Hearthstone isn't fun when you feel like there is nothing you can do to win.
Yeah that's kind of my point. People hate whatever they _feel_ they can't beat, whether it's an aggro deck, a control deck, or a midrange deck. But you wouldn't think that looking at comments on Hearthstone content. So much people always hating on aggro, and wishing for a "control meta." I think it was Trump who said that ,most people wishing for such a meta would hate it within a couple of days, and they'd beg to play against aggro again.
Jade is not a "control meta" though and is a counter to control decks.
And Spreading plague and Ultimate Infestation are clearly broken.
Aggro is still the best. Both pirate warrior and Murloc pally are better than jade.
Your point stands, but the reason people hate aggro is that traditionally, aggro has dominated hearthstone. Losing by turn 5 every game gets old and you start to hate it. That said, losing in the late game to druid (or priest rn imo) when there's nothing you can do doesn't feel good either. People just want the game to be diverse and balanced.
one of druid problem in this meta is his low mana cost DK and OP hero power. I put in the 3cost hero power disabler in my handbuff pally deck, surprisingly, the druid DK became pretty useless for many turns until he able to knock down my taunt wall and disable card.
p/s: that card makes machinegun anduin became useless too.
Well obviously, as you can't do anything with the hero other than hero power can you?
yea, and druid hero power give very good clearing or healing power, disable it for few turns with only 3mana surprisingly helps alot.
That's actually pretty clever idea! Druid new heropower is really good clear tool in druid because beside few low cost removals druid has no other clear option in his arsenal (don't count UI, it's a different story. It is used to draw, not clear, mostly) So buffed 2/5 is pretty insane in this. Also good counter to priest heropower so yeah, I really like the idea! I hope more people will actually try your idea out because that's very creative.
The lack of aoe in this deck is really hurting my soul...just one volcanic potion and that living mana would have never been a problem.
Tbf he didn't want it to be cleared, If both sides spamed nothing but minions then Mage would win as Druid had like 5 minion slots filled with frozen living mana and every turn he was playing (adleast) a 3/6 water elemental. With every passing turn his board got stronger while the Druid's stayed the same because of how hampering living mana can be.
good deck
In essence, aren't we all constantly solo'd by Jaina?
All my guys have *lifelink* XD
When I was just starting out in Hearthstone, if you would've just told me there's a mage deck out there called "Freeze Mage", I would've probably imagined something like this. A cool (ba-dum-tish!) elemental ice deck with lots of nifty freeze synergies; not a bullshit OTK burn deck. This is glorious! :D
9:29 Triggered by not attacking here.
Edit: Didn't notice the taunt.
For not trading in the water elemental into the 8/5 frozen taunt? Seems kinda pointless to me.
Oh right, i didn't see the taunt. The freeze effect blinded me a little lol
What are some KFT cards that work well in most decks?
lightning lew Lich King
Elementals feed Jaina, as always...
How do you get around so little AoE in the deck? :/
Why didn´t you call the deck instead of Jaina Mage, Elemental DK Mage?
Maybe people hate druids because THEY ARE TIER S OP DECKS? AREN'T THEY?
The best version of this deck includes Anomalus
Jaina -> hit concede button
The "I hate Druids" group is here.
12:12 Rank 4 boys...
When people see a deck that's better than their untuned deck that's missing cards: "That deck's OP! Blizzard are so bad"
Hi Brian.
But what if he was jades kappa
2:07 misplay
You probably made him quit that deck and go jade
Yea sure, it's clearly jaina and not the 2 turn all minions frozen because of frost nova that made you win
I haven't played a game against any other hero besides druid
Hey I am new in playing Hearthstone, can I get the C'Thun for free as when the release was?
Yes, once you buy an Old Gods pack (with money or in game gold) you'll get C'Thun for free.
INDEED
kibler please please buy a new chair, for your sake and ours! :(
I already ordered one.
get rekt druid
Yo Nat wassup
could have won al 3:13 pm
So far Kripp's predictions have been pretty on the nose. Not sure if that's a good thing. :(
Jains to op.
12:10 Questionable. Shouldn't he play the 1/6 first, then spreading plague and then trade?
nah man in your order he only called 1 scarab.
I think it's because he loses a 1/5? So he gets 2 taunts instead of 3, might be wrong though.
Spreading plague works like Unleash the Hound and he wanted to kill Baron right away. In his way he got 2 scarab instead of 1 (if his minions were alive).
No. Spreading Plague works differently from Unleash the Hounds, so in order to make the same amount of scarabs as enemy minions there are in play, your side of the board needs to be clean. In your play, the board on druid's side would have been 3, thus Spreading Plague would have made 0 scarabs. If he traded, then played the 1/6, then Spreading Plague, he'd still have ended up with 1 less scarab (6 stats neat value) just to buff Crypt Lord by 1 Health (1 stat value).
Hope I made it clear. My english's pretty rusty.
Spreading Plague is not like Unleash the Hounds. It summon scarabs until the number of minions on each side is equal. Doing it the way you suggest results in summoning one scarab as after he plays the crypt lord they would both have three minions, so spreading plague would only cast once and not recast itself. The choice is +2 health on the 1/6 or a second scarab. A second scarab is the better option so his play was correct.
I think Sindragosa is not that good
The first time I played Sindragosa my Priest opponent used Shadow Madness. He got Tyrantus, I got Patches. Dusted immediately.
Slasher Gamer anything above 6-7 mana that doesn't have IMMEDIATE board impact is bad,unless it's Medivh. That or if you're ahead/empty board.
ErraticMagics shadow madness in 2017 lul
0:10, you can see Visieron
Trump highly rated Spreading Plague, just fyi.
Mi Brain tells me to craft DK Furion but mi heart Frost Jana :(
craft jaina she is alot more fun then furion Imo
Cysia fun doenst mean she will win a lot tho
I already tried similiar deck when i got her from the prolouge and the best I can get is only 13
True but i find her fun and she is reasonably strong if you can have a elemental or 2 alraedy on board or have played sindragosa turn before.
K
I hate the bullshit decks that have been created. Like dk Druid, dk priest, and big priest are so annoying to play against
LOL
Did Kibler really Just say Lifelink? *Ahem* It is lifesteal for your information. A little too much late night MtG huh?
Lobster shoes you do realize that Brian is also a pro mtg player right?
Lobster sho
Ah damn Kibler saying a mechanic Blizzard blatantly borrowed from MTG wrong, how dare he!
Hence the "A little too much late night MtG huh?"
I still call if lifelink all the time.