Thanks! I find it so lovely to listen to a presentation where the speaker don not sound as a shotgun. I have a much better possibility to follow and learn when listen to you when you talk and explain. Well, of course I have to go back, make notes, train and train and again. Ola Wikander
Thanks Matti. I just upgraded two days ago so this video certainly helps. You’re right, there is a lot of stuff on this App, and it takes time to know - and remember - where everything is. Having the masks in one place certainly helps, and I have tried them.
My main tool is Capture One (C1) but expecially for noise reduction and lens correction I use in my C1 workflow DxO Photolab. As an import is not necessary after import and first inspection I may open a selected raw file in DxO directly form the C1 folder do some changes and export it as dng file back into the C1 folder beeing able to neatlessly continue my worlflow in C1. A dng fiel from DxO is roughly a raw file with rendered colors but even able to change the white balance - contrary to a jpeg or tiff file.
Thanks for the information! The HSL tool isn’t new, but soo helpful! I use it on most portraits to avoid red faces and also for green grass, which tends to turn out yellow on my Olympus cameras.
Matti, I have downloaded the photolab 7 ,and first thing I have done was cropping😮. Not the same thing like in Photoshop or lightroom or there is something I am missing. I can't cropp independently left ,right,up,down.
For me the most useful feature DxO offers are the lens corrections, which I think they are superb. However, this is not a new feature but already present in previous versions. I think for new users this is worth mentioning.
They are a huge time saver, but not always perfect. F. i., the distortion profile for the Olympus 17mm/1.8 isn’t accurate. At least wasn’t, as long as I had that lens.
@@hauke3644 It's a little hard to say what is accurate, when electronic corrections come into play. For example Lightroom follows the manufacturer's in camera corrections and the photo looks the same as from the camera. DxO instead likes to squeeze everything out of the lens and in most cases you'll get a bit wider area in your photo compared to the in camera photo. Other than that the DxO profile for the 17mm F1.8 looks great in both PL6 and PL7.
@@mattisulanto I remember that I needed to reduce the correction to 90% for that lens in order to get a straight line straight. But that’s a few years ago, maybe they adjusted the profile. I‘ll have a look on the 12-40mm lens, which had a similar issue at 12mm
DXO, from my experience, struggles a lot with Vignette correction. It often overcorrects the corners, and there is no way to assign it manually a permanent correction factor for a lens.
Thank you Matti, i’m considering to leave the Adobe suite (Ps and LrC) but if for Ps i’ve already chosen Affinity Photo, i’m still searching a good Lrc alternative, i have not a huge amount of photos to handle with LrC catalogs but, for my needs, it is mandatory to shoot tethered, is photolab 7 capable to do that? Thank you in advance
Thanks Matti. I liked your remark about about film presets. I would e.g. never choose “Fuji” because I wanted the image to look like taken on Fuji film. It would just be because I liked the color, saturation, etc. for this picture with this choice.
Thank you. The upgrade price from 5 and 6 is £99 quid. 6 was released 5 Oct 2022 so one year later ... Is this too soon? The colour calibrator looks good but colour charts are not cheap. The only colour chart I have is for a slide scanner. 7 comes with "B&W Workflow" but not Film Pack
I have a question! I convert the photos in pure raw, I import the files into Lightroom to merge them, the HDR file is generated. After this I'm wondering whether to export the file generated on Lightroom to TIFF. ,Merging the photos into film pack or making some corrections in lightroom and exporting to film pack and then returning to lightroom.
Thanks Matti. I can do most of these b&w adjustments with the combo of Photolab 6 + Nik SilverEfex. BUT, I wonder if you have worked out whether all those FilmPack renderings are included with Photolab 7, or do you also have to buy FilmPack for them to work?
This may be a silly question, but what is your workflow from camera to print? Back in time I tried to use DxO to perform lens distortion corrections to my RAW-files, save them as DNG and then import them into Lightroom/CaptureOne for library storage and ran into weird problems with LR/C1 not recognizing these DNG-images anymore as RAW-files and then disabling editing features for any further edits. Therefore currently stuck with importing RAW-files directly into C1 at the moment, but would like to use the superb noise correction of DxO for some images even today.
Not a silly question but the answer would be too long here. Maybe some I'll make a video on that topic. Why don't you use DxO the last, after you have done everything else in C1?
Because DxO is even pickier about anything else touching a RAW-file before it. Regardless in what format I export (DNG, TIFF 8/16bit, PSD, JPG) out of C1, with or without any corrections, DxO (5.15 in my case) will disable all Prime & DeepPrime noise reduction features and it won't even open the 16-bit DNG-files that C1 produces. It just complains that it doesn't have Optics Module for the image even though the camera and lens metadata is present in all exported formats. @@mattisulanto
I have a problem with DxO PhotoLab 7 software. I took the color checker photo and took it to photoLab 7 as you said. But when I pressed the Create Profile button, I got the following response from the software. "This feature is not available for RGB images." Can you help me out?
I just few weeks ago tried DxO PhotoLab version 6, because I really dislike Adobe pricing model. But I had a big issue with Photolab... when I was adjusting something, the quality of image decrease and only when I let something go the effect is applied to full res image. It makes it for me unusable, because what is the point of previewing change in low-res? It should always be the same resolution so you can actually see the changes you are making. Is it fixed in version 7?
For me it is very disappointing that the luminosity masks are not part of PL7 and that you need to buy Film Pack to get it. The upgrade benefit from 6 to 7 is quite small and so I won't buy it.
I do not like black and white cameras, because then you need to use filters when you expose the photo in the camera, with a color digital Camera you have all the filters in the software. I do sometimes use the black and white mode in my Camera to see if the subject to photograph will be good in black and white.
@@mattisulanto I do not hate black and white cameras, I just do not see any benefits with a b&w camera, but with a color Camera you have all the benefits an you do not need to use filters on your Lenses. 😇
Get DxO PhotoLab 7 (affiliate link): tidd.ly/48ya3Ux
Do I remember wrong or have you said that Luminar Neo is your favorite ? If not, which is your favorite ?
@@cameraprepper7938 I don't think I have ever said that. Luminar Neo is my least favorite. I like Lightroom and Photolab.
@@mattisulanto OK, the human brain works strange, it can sometimes be hard to remember every thing. Thank you
Thanks. I used your affiliate link to buy PL 8 today
Thanks! I find it so lovely to listen to a presentation where the speaker don not sound as a shotgun. I have a much better possibility to follow and learn when listen to you when you talk and explain. Well, of course I have to go back, make notes, train and train and again.
Ola Wikander
Thanks
Thank you so much!
Thanks!
Welcome! Thanks for your support.
Thanks for the good explanation of the photolab 7. Pls make a video on how to use every tool to edit photos, specifically local edit tools.
Thanks Matti. I just upgraded two days ago so this video certainly helps. You’re right, there is a lot of stuff on this App, and it takes time to know - and remember - where everything is. Having the masks in one place certainly helps, and I have tried them.
Thanks and have fun with PL7.
My main tool is Capture One (C1) but expecially for noise reduction and lens correction I use in my C1 workflow DxO Photolab. As an import is not necessary after import and first inspection I may open a selected raw file in DxO directly form the C1 folder do some changes and export it as dng file back into the C1 folder beeing able to neatlessly continue my worlflow in C1. A dng fiel from DxO is roughly a raw file with rendered colors but even able to change the white balance - contrary to a jpeg or tiff file.
Big Advantage in Capture One: When you hover over the Styles (Film simulation or LUTs here) you see immedieatley a preview.
Matti, thanks as always for another excellent video. On Black Friday, I'll upgrade from PL 5 & use your affiliate link.
Thanks. Maybe I'll make another video before Black Friday to remind you😀
Thank you, Matti. A very good summary.
Glad you liked it! Thanks.
Love the workflow with Photolab 6 and trying the 7 trial at the moment. Great video breaking down what's new.
Thanks, I hope you'll find something useful in the PL7.
Great overview - but is it really better than Lightroom/Photoshop?
Is there a print module?
The HSL color wheel looks great.
It is great😀
Thanks Matti, currently thinking about it.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks, it is worth a try.
At least you use it for 30 days for free😀
Thanks for the information! The HSL tool isn’t new, but soo helpful! I use it on most portraits to avoid red faces and also for green grass, which tends to turn out yellow on my Olympus cameras.
Thanks. I think the HSL tool was previously part of Filmpack.
@@mattisulanto no, I never had film pack.
(Because, back in the days I stopped using Tri-X because I didn’t like it’s grain and the harsh contrast. So I don’t need a Tri-X simulation either…)
@@hauke3644 Yes, the news is that now it's available for local adjustments as well. I should have mentioned that in the video.
@@mattisulanto oh, that‘s good news!
Matti, I have downloaded the photolab 7 ,and first thing I have done was cropping😮. Not the same thing like in Photoshop or lightroom or there is something I am missing.
I can't cropp independently left ,right,up,down.
For me the most useful feature DxO offers are the lens corrections, which I think they are superb. However, this is not a new feature but already present in previous versions. I think for new users this is worth mentioning.
I have other videos on that topic already, but thanks for mentioning anyway.
They are a huge time saver, but not always perfect. F. i., the distortion profile for the Olympus 17mm/1.8 isn’t accurate. At least wasn’t, as long as I had that lens.
@@hauke3644 It's a little hard to say what is accurate, when electronic corrections come into play. For example Lightroom follows the manufacturer's in camera corrections and the photo looks the same as from the camera. DxO instead likes to squeeze everything out of the lens and in most cases you'll get a bit wider area in your photo compared to the in camera photo.
Other than that the DxO profile for the 17mm F1.8 looks great in both PL6 and PL7.
@@mattisulanto I remember that I needed to reduce the correction to 90% for that lens in order to get a straight line straight. But that’s a few years ago, maybe they adjusted the profile. I‘ll have a look on the 12-40mm lens, which had a similar issue at 12mm
DXO, from my experience, struggles a lot with Vignette correction. It often overcorrects the corners, and there is no way to assign it manually a permanent correction factor for a lens.
Which one would you choose between filmpack and Nick collection?
I have not used Nik Collection enough to have an opinion.
Thank you Matti, i’m considering to leave the Adobe suite (Ps and LrC) but if for Ps i’ve already chosen Affinity Photo, i’m still searching a good Lrc alternative, i have not a huge amount of photos to handle with LrC catalogs but, for my needs, it is mandatory to shoot tethered, is photolab 7 capable to do that? Thank you in advance
I think you should download the free trial version and see for yourself.
Thanks Matti. I liked your remark about about film presets. I would e.g. never choose “Fuji” because I wanted the image to look like taken on Fuji film. It would just be because I liked the color, saturation, etc. for this picture with this choice.
Thanks. Exactly, because digital never looks like film really.
What lens are you using with the A7 IV? That is some crazy purple fringing.
Where do you see the purple fringing?
Thank you.
The upgrade price from 5 and 6 is £99 quid. 6 was released 5 Oct 2022 so one year later ... Is this too soon?
The colour calibrator looks good but colour charts are not cheap. The only colour chart I have is for a slide scanner.
7 comes with "B&W Workflow" but not Film Pack
I suppose there is a lot of competition and regular improvements are necessary, but you are right, maybe a major upgrade like this came too soon.
I have a question! I convert the photos in pure raw, I import the files into Lightroom to merge them, the HDR file is generated. After this I'm wondering whether to export the file generated on Lightroom to TIFF. ,Merging the photos into film pack or making some corrections in lightroom and exporting to film pack and then returning to lightroom.
Your process is far more complicated than mine so unfortunately I can't help. I have never tried anything like that.
Thanks Matti. I can do most of these b&w adjustments with the combo of Photolab 6 + Nik SilverEfex. BUT, I wonder if you have worked out whether all those FilmPack renderings are included with Photolab 7, or do you also have to buy FilmPack for them to work?
I guess I have to uninstall FilmPack to see what is included in Photolab.
You have to buy filmpack in addition to PL 7.
@@mattisulanto I DID uninstall Film pack to see what would happen but even though it's uninstalled, it still works. Must be a trial trick thingy.
@@psrosemaryYou don't need the software installed but it the license key. In your case the trial licence
Thank you for the review. Does PhotoLab have AI features like sky selection, sharpening, and resolution?
How would you compare it to LR?
What I say in this video still stands pretty much: ua-cam.com/video/9U6Slq3urCw/v-deo.html
This may be a silly question, but what is your workflow from camera to print? Back in time I tried to use DxO to perform lens distortion corrections to my RAW-files, save them as DNG and then import them into Lightroom/CaptureOne for library storage and ran into weird problems with LR/C1 not recognizing these DNG-images anymore as RAW-files and then disabling editing features for any further edits. Therefore currently stuck with importing RAW-files directly into C1 at the moment, but would like to use the superb noise correction of DxO for some images even today.
Not a silly question but the answer would be too long here. Maybe some I'll make a video on that topic. Why don't you use DxO the last, after you have done everything else in C1?
Because DxO is even pickier about anything else touching a RAW-file before it. Regardless in what format I export (DNG, TIFF 8/16bit, PSD, JPG) out of C1, with or without any corrections, DxO (5.15 in my case) will disable all Prime & DeepPrime noise reduction features and it won't even open the 16-bit DNG-files that C1 produces. It just complains that it doesn't have Optics Module for the image even though the camera and lens metadata is present in all exported formats. @@mattisulanto
There's a lot I like in DxO so thank god it's not subscription based, which I personally ban.
I have a problem with DxO PhotoLab 7 software. I took the color checker photo and took it to photoLab 7 as you said. But when I pressed the Create Profile button, I got the following response from the software. "This feature is not available for RGB images." Can you help me out?
Not worth upgrading from version 6 in my opinion.
The main problem for me is There is Still no way to drop highlights effectively.
I just few weeks ago tried DxO PhotoLab version 6, because I really dislike Adobe pricing model. But I had a big issue with Photolab... when I was adjusting something, the quality of image decrease and only when I let something go the effect is applied to full res image. It makes it for me unusable, because what is the point of previewing change in low-res? It should always be the same resolution so you can actually see the changes you are making. Is it fixed in version 7?
It looks like they have not fixed that, PL7 behaves exactly like you describe.
@@mattisulanto Kiitos for the info! :-)
I love Photolab, but you *still* can't proof for printing with it.
Photolab has soft proofing.
For me it is very disappointing that the luminosity masks are not part of PL7 and that you need to buy Film Pack to get it. The upgrade benefit from 6 to 7 is quite small and so I won't buy it.
I don't get it either why we need FilmPack to use the luminosity mask.
that dosent work if your photo has been edited in pure raw
Photolab includes the pureraw features so no need to first use the standalone pureraw.
I do not like black and white cameras, because then you need to use filters when you expose the photo in the camera, with a color digital Camera you have all the filters in the software. I do sometimes use the black and white mode in my Camera to see if the subject to photograph will be good in black and white.
Thanks for sharing. Dedicated B&W cameras divide opinions and you pretty much either love or hate them😀
@@mattisulanto I do not hate black and white cameras, I just do not see any benefits with a b&w camera, but with a color Camera you have all the benefits an you do not need to use filters on your Lenses. 😇
@@cameraprepper7938 Well, I did not mean hate, like really passionately hate, of course😀
to bad this dosent work if you go through pure raw first
Real estate needs accurate colours? Not where I live they don't 😂
I guess the standards are not the same everywhere😀