Read the Four book and then watch this movie, it’s amazing how well they did this scene from the book. I also love it when Peter says “Is it something I said” when he literally spoke a whole sentence of something he should not have said
I wish they had had Four challenging Eric, like in the book. In the book, he asks Eric "is this really necessary" in a lazy voice, but making it obvious that he disapproves of what Eric is doing to Al. Which, to quote Tris in that scene, "doesn't happen often".
@vanyaconroy7002 I honestly think it would have been better. In the film, he comes off as a complete **** and you wonder at times what Tris sees in him. In the book, you get to see his softer side
@@India.H exactly! Four is my favorite character and I love the romance between him and Tris. It makes the rest of the book with him being protective teacher and then loving boyfriend worth reading
@vanyaconroy7002 Agreed! She thinks he's bullying her to start with, until he explains that he's not; he's just pushing her in a way she's never been pushed before, so she thinks it's bullying.
I wish that divergent allegiant part 2 wasn’t cancelled at all because divergent allegiant was sopose to be two parts like how they made the third film of the huger game mocking Jay part 1& 2
Wait, really? They were supposed to make a 4th movie!!! That would have been amazing! Something tells me I’ll finally see Tris and Four defeat that genetic guy in the books
@@vanyaconroy7002 well if you go on the internet and search was divergent allegiant part 2 cancelled it tells you,i wasn’t trying to give you the bad news about it,i just didn’t know if you knew that already.
What do you mean “and that’s why you left?” she let because, according to your society rules, her test came back as dauntless. She didn’t CHOOSE it. (As far as they’re concerned. I know she actually did).
It's weird that you're allowed to choose at all given how rigid their society is, especially considering you're only supposed to be able to get one result on the test. It should be that you end up with whatever faction you test as, and Tris could still have the opportunity to choose in the test room after "failing" so you don't loose all the drama of it.
I love that she decides quickly theres more likely hood of her surviving then the guy.. cuz shes quickly tallying her ability to mask is higher then his flinching and Four being/having more protective side then saddistic. Is likely to be easier on tris then He is the guy.. Funny how they are a reflection of each other in varying degrees . Four is protective and masks to keep people from finding out his divergent status.. Tris is masking and wants to find Friends.. shes demonstrating her abilities revealing sides to her people wouldnt expect from her “kind” of people… but that in itself should be the redflag or alert button to divergence.. when people Cross into other Factions the act demonstrates qualities if divergence. Its in the behavior that speaks louder then words.. Why would a fearless one become a “teacher” (thats Erudite) role… because the leadership role allows him to help out divergence and protect people like himself . Why does Eric seek leadership.. because his goal is power. The position places them both In the same place but in their behaviors, choices, Actions and conficts you can see Their truths revealed. Its a subtle shading difference. Youd have to have a side of Eurdite to you to Find observation and have knowledge of psychology and history to See How Eric plays the role of Crock/man from Egypt or Soldier who kills for the sake of killing .. versus the underining desire to lead and shape future generations towards good from physical (like Fours father) The “mean mug” Four carries .. is the mask hes seem from his father and Eric.. Divergence alots him ability to see the useful of appearing one way and being something different When no ones looking (opposite his father who masks as good, secretly wanting power and takes out his anger on Four) In this we see How pretending to be something stores emotions that come out one way or another.. specifically in abuse patterns. Four was the whipping boy four his father.. Divergence are the whipping boys for thdd we tough who mask it as “i have to make them less humaine and more Tough (eric.. with the no mercy mentality) Eric probably grew up with a belief system that Sensitive or kind is “weakness” and learned to be strong by shutting off his Feelings.. and no one has been big enough to Keep him in check.. giving him power alotted him to play favorites and set “weak” ones up to be Thrown to the alphas (wolves) Which creates a higher and higher facton less population because when Saddistic people are “care-less” and lack a view for the importance of things like “tap outs” .. people will die or Be killed or Become a killer to show how “tough/strong” survive alonside Eric as their measuring tool. Problem is Erics have a secret as well.. and thats the mercy as the not so strong .. that tapped out. (Against four) who is not now nor ever been a vicious person. Even if he had Eric as his leader he wouldnt have fought to the death .. hed rather die then Become like his father (cold) .. he sees it as wrong to Torture to win.. if the weaker taps out it still means they can win against some . Which means in a world of bad guys or “criminals” there is still someone at that level that can a “weakling” can Be matched against at their level.. Eric is Black and white Four is Measuring abilities and strengths/weaknesses determine positions . He understands the competition is designed to push for Best version of each and identify Their Hidden strengths .. which place some as stronger having More Of the strengths typically found in dauntless.. Sad reality.. If you watch the behaviors of Tris moving up from bad to good. That ifentifies her as divergent.. because shes using her variety of thinking to solve problems to raise her numbers.. dauntless are supposed to be more brawn and Strong.. not educated in many Areas to win against brawn and strong.. thats Knowledge of Body weight or Striking .. which comes from education about the body and strengths in psychology or Consciouness of size differentials and Most Impact each blow will have (like to the throat) Tris is gaining insight by her dedication to Trying.. which Is why the Inside tips about her size and Strengths (Quick moving) Are handed to her by Four. He sees shes lacking in the area (physical size and strength) and provides her to make more even the Fight . The higher Tris gets .. is why eric puts her against the strongest fighters.. to eliminate the “weak” he thinks does not belong and secretly resents her for daring to think she could. Because Eric hasnt figured out how if only the strong survive.. How there are smaller people like Four or Trus surviving amongst the strong.. Because The one who masks a good heart .. (Four) and the one who Masks an ability to Shut off sensitivity (compartmentalizing to teach lessons to the jerks like Eric) That they do in fact have it in them to he “cold” But only use it to Be the level of cold the coldest the other shows (Ie; Eric shoots for fun: tris has zero problem shooting Eric) but Open cries and screams at Zombie Will Shooting under unconscious control.. she knows of he wasnt under the Mind control he wouldnt say or do that to him.. because its about why we are cold or hurtful.. ) Eric is cold because he dan be. Tris turns cold when there is a purpose for it. Four is cold (shooting the innocent) to be able to help others survive (by appearing cold in The simulation tests.. he convinces higher ups hes able to Do as told. Rather then as he feels is right) but in reality he frees Tris and helps her (despite knowing they are hunting divergence.) Its showing the deepest motivations inwhy the Masked people (Tris and Four) have to be quiet about the abilities. Cuz eric pretends to be a friend.. and tricks. If Four was a Double agent as a back stabber he might Appear as a friend helping her to see how long she goes along with his insider Stuff…. And then nail her in the simulation for being a betrayer of the way things are done. What he would not factor in would her loyalty to him even when he Tricks her.. understanding the need for the simulation. In tris worse scenerio she loses everything seeking to Be what she thinks is Right for her (dauntless) and Risks everything (family, Tribe, status) revealing a truth that shes not Abnegation and also fails at being Dauntless.. cant go home.. she finds out she indeed does not knlw where she belongs and also cant force herself to be something shes not. The internal conflict becomes will you become something ur not.. to Be apart of something for the sake of being Apart of something even if you no longer agree with it (like will you ki your parents if we tell you to or will you not love Four because he is a betrayer) Her Deepest Core trait is to know and understand she may be Unable to fit.. but That doesnt mean no one else should.. shes not selfish (which is the abnegation Trait she claims is not her) becausw abnegation has been tainted by people who look the part (like caleb) and can play it but are not truly selfish. True acts of selfless are Not about look. Its about what you put first when the costs get high.. Tris even after betrayal by her brother still takes his position in the end.. believing he is deserving and shes not afraid. To her that makes her more equipped to take that from him and she doesnt fit in and he can. Makes more logical sense (very erudite).
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Read the Four book and then watch this movie, it’s amazing how well they did this scene from the book. I also love it when Peter says “Is it something I said” when he literally spoke a whole sentence of something he should not have said
I wish they had had Four challenging Eric, like in the book. In the book, he asks Eric "is this really necessary" in a lazy voice, but making it obvious that he disapproves of what Eric is doing to Al. Which, to quote Tris in that scene, "doesn't happen often".
I know, but they did what was best for the movie. I don’t think him challenging Eric would have gone well for the movie
@vanyaconroy7002 I honestly think it would have been better. In the film, he comes off as a complete **** and you wonder at times what Tris sees in him. In the book, you get to see his softer side
@@India.H exactly! Four is my favorite character and I love the romance between him and Tris. It makes the rest of the book with him being protective teacher and then loving boyfriend worth reading
@vanyaconroy7002 Agreed! She thinks he's bullying her to start with, until he explains that he's not; he's just pushing her in a way she's never been pushed before, so she thinks it's bullying.
@@India.H yeah 😂 it’s funny.
Tris and four had a better chemistry than Edward and Bella from Twilight by a thousand folds. Yet rhat trilogy got an ending and divergent didn't.
You set that bar pretty f'n low, friend.
That's a lie
In some points true. They had different obstacles to worry about. But the attraction was about the same.
Well, it's bettter Lovestory than Twilight but what isn't!?
I agree!
If Clove from The Hunger Games was the one throwing the knives, Tris would be dead
True that
I wish that divergent allegiant part 2 wasn’t cancelled at all because divergent allegiant was sopose to be two parts like how they made the third film of the huger game mocking Jay part 1& 2
Wait, really? They were supposed to make a 4th movie!!! That would have been amazing! Something tells me I’ll finally see Tris and Four defeat that genetic guy in the books
@@vanyaconroy7002 well if you go on the internet and search was divergent allegiant part 2 cancelled it tells you,i wasn’t trying to give you the bad news about it,i just didn’t know if you knew that already.
Nice movie 👍🏻
What do you mean “and that’s why you left?” she let because, according to your society rules, her test came back as dauntless. She didn’t CHOOSE it.
(As far as they’re concerned. I know she actually did).
They didn’t know that she got dauntless
Umm she got “abnegation” and always had the option to leave/choose, regardless of the test
@@Methequeen she also got dauntless and erudite
@@Methequeenshe was divergent meaning she was all of them but chose dauntless
It's weird that you're allowed to choose at all given how rigid their society is, especially considering you're only supposed to be able to get one result on the test. It should be that you end up with whatever faction you test as, and Tris could still have the opportunity to choose in the test room after "failing" so you don't loose all the drama of it.
Didn’t Tris flinch when Four threw the third knife?
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I love that she decides quickly theres more likely hood of her surviving then the guy.. cuz shes quickly tallying her ability to mask is higher then his flinching and Four being/having more protective side then saddistic. Is likely to be easier on tris then He is the guy..
Funny how they are a reflection of each other in varying degrees .
Four is protective and masks to keep people from finding out his divergent status..
Tris is masking and wants to find Friends.. shes demonstrating her abilities revealing sides to her people wouldnt expect from her “kind” of people… but that in itself should be the redflag or alert button to divergence.. when people Cross into other Factions the act demonstrates qualities if divergence. Its in the behavior that speaks louder then words..
Why would a fearless one become a “teacher” (thats Erudite) role… because the leadership role allows him to help out divergence and protect people like himself .
Why does Eric seek leadership.. because his goal is power. The position places them both In the same place but in their behaviors, choices, Actions and conficts you can see Their truths revealed. Its a subtle shading difference. Youd have to have a side of Eurdite to you to Find observation and have knowledge of psychology and history to See How Eric plays the role of Crock/man from Egypt or Soldier who kills for the sake of killing .. versus the underining desire to lead and shape future generations towards good from physical (like Fours father)
The “mean mug” Four carries .. is the mask hes seem from his father and Eric.. Divergence alots him ability to see the useful of appearing one way and being something different When no ones looking (opposite his father who masks as good, secretly wanting power and takes out his anger on Four)
In this we see How pretending to be something stores emotions that come out one way or another.. specifically in abuse patterns. Four was the whipping boy four his father..
Divergence are the whipping boys for thdd we tough who mask it as “i have to make them less humaine and more Tough (eric.. with the no mercy mentality)
Eric probably grew up with a belief system that Sensitive or kind is “weakness” and learned to be strong by shutting off his Feelings.. and no one has been big enough to Keep him in check.. giving him power alotted him to play favorites and set “weak” ones up to be Thrown to the alphas (wolves) Which creates a higher and higher facton less population because when Saddistic people are “care-less” and lack a view for the importance of things like “tap outs” .. people will die or Be killed or Become a killer to show how “tough/strong” survive alonside Eric as their measuring tool.
Problem is Erics have a secret as well.. and thats the mercy as the not so strong .. that tapped out. (Against four) who is not now nor ever been a vicious person. Even if he had Eric as his leader he wouldnt have fought to the death .. hed rather die then Become like his father (cold) .. he sees it as wrong to Torture to win.. if the weaker taps out it still means they can win against some . Which means in a world of bad guys or “criminals” there is still someone at that level that can a “weakling” can Be matched against at their level..
Eric is Black and white
Four is Measuring abilities and strengths/weaknesses determine positions . He understands the competition is designed to push for Best version of each and identify Their Hidden strengths .. which place some as stronger having More Of the strengths typically found in dauntless..
Sad reality.. If you watch the behaviors of Tris moving up from bad to good. That ifentifies her as divergent.. because shes using her variety of thinking to solve problems to raise her numbers.. dauntless are supposed to be more brawn and Strong.. not educated in many Areas to win against brawn and strong.. thats Knowledge of Body weight or Striking .. which comes from education about the body and strengths in psychology or Consciouness of size differentials and Most Impact each blow will have (like to the throat)
Tris is gaining insight by her dedication to Trying.. which Is why the Inside tips about her size and Strengths (Quick moving) Are handed to her by Four. He sees shes lacking in the area (physical size and strength) and provides her to make more even the Fight .
The higher Tris gets .. is why eric puts her against the strongest fighters.. to eliminate the “weak” he thinks does not belong and secretly resents her for daring to think she could. Because Eric hasnt figured out how if only the strong survive.. How there are smaller people like Four or Trus surviving amongst the strong..
Because The one who masks a good heart .. (Four) and the one who Masks an ability to Shut off sensitivity (compartmentalizing to teach lessons to the jerks like Eric) That they do in fact have it in them to he “cold” But only use it to Be the level of cold the coldest the other shows (Ie; Eric shoots for fun: tris has zero problem shooting Eric) but Open cries and screams at Zombie Will Shooting under unconscious control.. she knows of he wasnt under the Mind control he wouldnt say or do that to him.. because its about why we are cold or hurtful.. )
Eric is cold because he dan be.
Tris turns cold when there is a purpose for it.
Four is cold (shooting the innocent) to be able to help others survive (by appearing cold in The simulation tests.. he convinces higher ups hes able to Do as told. Rather then as he feels is right) but in reality he frees Tris and helps her (despite knowing they are hunting divergence.)
Its showing the deepest motivations inwhy the Masked people (Tris and Four) have to be quiet about the abilities. Cuz eric pretends to be a friend.. and tricks. If Four was a Double agent as a back stabber he might Appear as a friend helping her to see how long she goes along with his insider Stuff…. And then nail her in the simulation for being a betrayer of the way things are done.
What he would not factor in would her loyalty to him even when he Tricks her.. understanding the need for the simulation.
In tris worse scenerio she loses everything seeking to Be what she thinks is Right for her (dauntless) and Risks everything (family, Tribe, status) revealing a truth that shes not Abnegation and also fails at being Dauntless.. cant go home.. she finds out she indeed does not knlw where she belongs and also cant force herself to be something shes not. The internal conflict becomes will you become something ur not.. to Be apart of something for the sake of being Apart of something even if you no longer agree with it (like will you ki your parents if we tell you to or will you not love Four because he is a betrayer)
Her Deepest Core trait is to know and understand she may be Unable to fit.. but That doesnt mean no one else should.. shes not selfish (which is the abnegation Trait she claims is not her) becausw abnegation has been tainted by people who look the part (like caleb) and can play it but are not truly selfish. True acts of selfless are Not about look. Its about what you put first when the costs get high..
Tris even after betrayal by her brother still takes his position in the end.. believing he is deserving and shes not afraid. To her that makes her more equipped to take that from him and she doesnt fit in and he can. Makes more logical sense (very erudite).