As a 2004 monster owner, and owning it since new, I might be tempted in updating.The thing I would say to all the nah sayers is, if ducati doesn’t move forward they will end up being the Italian version of Harley Davidson, and no one wants that.
Not even remotely similar. Ducati has always been at the forefront of design and innovation. Ducati makes bikes like Diavel, Monster, Multistrada, Panigale, Scrambler... Harley only makes choppers.
Even the '90s Monsters look beautiful, when seen even today out on the streets. I doubt this will be the case with the new Monster after a decade - and it's not just the frame.
People were complaining that they looked outdated in the ‘00s. However, my red/white S2R1000 was the most beautiful bike I ever owned, and the one that got the most compliments whenever it was ridden. Damn shame my local dealership Grenaded the engine, refused to fix it, and eventually the bike was sold off for parts.
You guys here are not passionate Ducatisti. So it is expected to like the new Monster. It is an excellent bike. Fantastic in any way. But it is not a Monster. The Monster is the Ducati with the biggest fans. And we are all disappointed. We, the monsteristi, love the trellis frame. It is the most recognizable characteristic of our bikes. We, the Ducatisti, want the trellis frame. I have never bought bike other than Monster. And I never will. You see, the problem is, I will never want to buy this bike. All the Ducatisti I know, and I know a lot, can't even look at the new Monster. Excellent bike, but there are many other excellent bikes out there. It is not unique. Not recognizable. Not the Ducati we love. It is a Ducati for a lot of people, but not for Ducatisti.
The vast majority of riders love their bike just by looking at it even when it’s standing still. Aesthetics is an integral part of owning a bike that as years passed has become classic. So yes, it may be a better bike but they could give it a pointed headlight and name it Streetfighter 900. Disrupting a cult family of bikes like the Monster was a wrong move.
The only thing I'd change, for it to be absolutely perfect, is the swingarm for the single sided one and the placement of the exhaust (one on either side like the old monster) other than that I think it looks amazing.
I love the new look ,the 821 was just too heavy which made my decision easy to buy the Street triple R instead but I'm gonna seriously consider the new monster when I change next year.
Maybe you’ll find them that Ducati is charging you more than Triumph for cheaper components. The Monster‘s is equipped like a bread and butter Streety but costs RS money. I’m a complete Ducati head, but I’m really looking forward to the new Speed Triple because Triumph is evolving their strength while Bologna/Ingolstadt are badge engineering the hell out of their model ranges.
@@Heavywall70 Ducati sales are up. Hell, for 2017, they were the top selling superbike, in the world. They had 25% of that market, globally. 1 out of every 4 superbikes sold, was a Panigale. In that segment, they outsold all of the Japanese brands... Buell... not so much...
Same. They could have added a faux frame( made of very light weight pipes) on either side just for the aesthetics. The monster has always been about the trellis frame design
@@yournemesis2454 if they’re going to put a fake trellis frame on it, I’d prefer they made it look like a dinosaur... like a T. rex doing 80 down the highway.
@@everydaymaverick2166 definitely not,modern bikes like H2 and Duke series got trellis frame, does that look like stone age bikes like harleys.?, of course italians companies are meant for beauty i got your point too
Love the specs, not feeling the look, but likely a good decision by Ducati. However, Ducati's decision will likely affect my decision in considering a new Monster.
@@G1lgamesj You'll be disappointed in the NineT; it's beautiful, probably the best looking bike I've owned; and it's "'perfect" in so many ways...that it doesn't have any soul, nothing to punch you in the gut and make you feel like you've got a wild one between your legs. I've also owned a Thruxton (900cc) and enjoyed it's light, nimble feel. The 1200 cc version has a little more torque that makes it fun. I had a 2018 Hyper and loved that bike; great visceral feel and performed well on long distance rides in "Touring" mode. I will likely buy another or find a used Monster 1220S.
@@kenloyd Damn... It's the thing that worried me the most with the nineT, beside of looking like the perfect bike, the engine sound is not all that great when you have driven a desmo before and spec wise It looks like a boring engine but like you say mechanical perfect in everyway. I went to see for a Thruxton R, the sound is very good, probably drives good aswell but the exterior design is so basic I find it boring, plain painting design (black or gray) and I don't like the big metal strap holder around the fueltank, also the lack of a mono arm. But It's probably the most true design to a retro cafe racer, except for the watercooler. And the scrambler series feels like a downgrade, maybe fun as entry bike or when I am 60 years old... Guess I have to wait for the next Ducati sport classic or alternatives sigh...
im willing to bet that 99,9% of the negative comments about the trellis frame come from people that dont have a monster because it wasnt a great bike vs the competition. If you want a red trellis frame so bad get a red one painted on :)
YES thank you!! People are so uptight about the ditched trellis frame. Yes it was beautiful but technology moves on. I've never heard of a 40 lbs weight loss across a single generation, let alone for an already pretty light bike. It no doubt has a gigantic impact on the dynamics. I absolutely love the new Monster, can't wait to see it in the flesh.
It looks pretty good to me. Apart from the headlight , does look very MT-09 ish. I prefer the new Monster's headlight to the MT-09s one. Maybe Ducati should have given it a different name, and just kept making a Euro 5 Monster for those who want the trellis frame. Triumph still make the quite heavy T120 for those who like that kind of thing !
Had a 696 and 821, this new monster is dope and i feel like it's a great step forward into the new decade of motorcycles. Everyone complaining about the trellis frame is just stuck on nostalgia. Technology improves and so they find their way into modern machines. I give it to ducati bold move and keeps them from making HD mistake of not being able to break away from their past
If you want technology you wouldn’t get a Monster. You’d get something from Japan. It will objectively be cheaper and better. But it would look like a Japanese bike. As does this bike. Which begs the question: why not get a better bike if you already like the styling?
Let’s face it, time moves on, technology changes, I sat on it, but did not ride it. It immediately felt right and comfortable. Doesn’t hurt VW $$ is behind Ducati, can only help. For a fun, it’s an attainable Duc, I’ll have at it. I expect to be on one this coming year. Thank you Ducati, and great review ! JMO
@@jeffmattoxjr.4136 I have test driven the current Monster and the 2020 street triple RS , the Triumph is more fun to drive. If you can, test them out first !
Very neat and intelligent design .This is the way forward for the monster. The only thing I wouldn't change would be the fuel tank and kept the wheelbase unchanged. Then again, they have to cater to the new riders. Still, I think this Monster is how a modern monster should be. Top quality components from A-Z that you get only from Ducati.
This guy really knows how to get straight to the point, I knew nothing of the monster bikes and now I know what the hubub is about the new version. And he only took 8 minutes to hit all the detail nice job
A Ducati fan saying they don’t like change is like an ice cream fan saying they don’t like these new flavors. Ducati is cutting edge. Without cutting edge Ducati ceases to exist.
I own a Monster 2020, the last batch of 25 years of development...gonna keep it because I love how it rides and looks. The new monster is totally different but it also looks great and fresh, I’m gonna buy it too next year and enjoy the best of two worlds!
Looks very nice. Sleek. Got to move with the times. Got to be open to change and progression or you just get left behind.. I am quite sure it will be a proper Ducati... Will be temperamental, expensive for parts, expensive to service, will break down, but at least it looks good.
Looks-wise it is a disaster. What is all that curled up black snake gobbledygook where the engine is supposed to be? Then, the rest of the styling is completely incohesive. The old one had a flavor and you either like it or you didn't. The new one is just a big mess with too many ideas gone wrong.
What's bold about that? It just makes it blend it even more in the production, looks like any other bike now and the character is also slowly disappearing.
@@the_hippykiller22 15kg of weight has significant impact on acceleration. Even if one has bike just for posing, soon he will be frustrated that friends are faster on lights. Someone at Ducati had to make difficult decision. It doesn't need to be completely right, however they can adjust next years. Without this step, new/young people would go elsewhere... That's it.
@@taitjones6310 No, your wrong,..all Panigales have cast frames, including the V4, it uses the engine as a stressed member and also doubles up to house the air filter , do you own a Panigale? I suggest you go and have a good look under the petrol tank and you’ll clearly see it’s a cast frame 🤷🏻♂️!!
The previous version just had so much character! this one on the other hand in my opinion doesn't have the monster character, it would be better if they renamed it to Streetfighter V2
Great video and some nice technical advices on the new Monster. But.... think I come into the die hard old school style of Ducati owner, because I love the look of the trellis frame and definitely will not be trading in my gorgeous 812 Stripe for one of these. But, each to their own, and maybe I'll come around to liking it in a couple of years.
I have loved the style of the Ducati Monster ever since I got into motorcycles. The Trellis really was eye-catching and distinctive. But the lightness and Panigale-ness of the front-frame is pretty awesome too. And now looking at the 20/21 Monsters next to each other, the Trellis does look a little dated.
I recently bought a 2019 821 in red (new). I wanted the 937, but I would need the lowering kit. And besides, my dealer is still waiting on more bikes? So the 821 is good for now. The 937 saved 40 lbs with the re-design, that's a lot!.But I agree with you; the 937 is the better bike!
I’ve owned the 2003 Monster as my first bike ever. Then a 2011 Monster. Then a 2008 Sport Classic and a 2009 GT1000. I LOVE Monsters. The frame is iconic. Sad to see it go. This bike looks cheap and doesn’t stand out to me. Maybe time will change my opinion, but that’s my first impression.
Ah buddy, I can't bring myself to agree with you (though can't dispute any of the points you made) - I got into riding because I saw a Ducati Monster once when I was younger, it had a red frame and twin exhausts, I could see the engine and it made a racket that made me grin ear to ear. I bough my first Monster 2 years after getting my license but was surprised at how smooth the 796 was, the 821 seemed smoother still - it didn't have the 'rough and ready' character that I imagined it would. I feel like by chasing efficiencies they may be losing character - its the reason why as impressive as the Japanese roadsters are, I'm not drawn to them. It's the reason I didn't fall in love with the parallel twin in the 790 duke - I want my Monsters to be monstrous!
I liked it so much I called my Yamaha dealer and told them I didn’t want my MT-07 anymore and I managed to get all my money back. I think it blows them out of the water... maybe not in price but but on pretty much every other comparison! 😍😍😍
Luckily, the Monster did keep it's Desmo valves. That's good enough for me. Now the Multi loosing single sided swing arm, desmo valves, 17' front wheel and the trellis frame. Too much to stomach at the moment.
@@wirenut3020 Desmo valves are only outdated on the mildly tuned Testastretta engines. They are very much relevant in the V4 superbike that can rev 1000rpm higher than its competitors in WSBK. Literally had to cut their top end to keep things competitive.
@@wirenut3020 Not sure, the GP bike may use pneumatic. Only thing better than Desmo for high RPM valve actuation is pneumatic. Ducati was just artificially handicapping themselves for years in WSBK running 2 cylinders vs 4. Desmo helped them get that 10th tenth out of those engines though.
I think I read an article by Kevin Cameron in Cycleworld about valve springs and their early problems....it’s oscillations and breakage. I think he had stated that the desmodromic system was once an advantage but that it wasn’t needed anymore given the reliability of the current valve springs. I figured Ducati had accepted the reality of that to extend their valve train adjustment mileage to 18,000 miles, and because of that, the new monster is looking better to me as possible owner. I’m all over the place right now with what may be my next bike.......a good problem to have..I think!
Fantastic in every aspect, they should have done it long time ago. I had three monsters in the past, this one is amazing, lets hope it delivers the goods as good as it looks. Bravo Ducati, if this bike is as good as they say, I will buy it.
It’s great! As regards the styling, without the “Trellis” it still has the style, as with a lot of manufacturers, “If you don’t progress you finish up standing still”. This new Monster 👍👍👍
Looks great but if you live somewhere hot witth dense traffic i’d check that the engine heat is bearable. On other models like my scrambler full throttle and the hyper motards are like sitting on a pizza oven.
Test rode this model couple of months back, some small windy roads and a stretch of freeway. I live in the tropics and it's hot and humid all year round. Power, yes, quite enough for me. Maneuverability, check. Fun, definitely. Looks... er, well... trellis aside, there's not much of a design identity that shouts out really positively at this point. Engine heat, most definitely, right side inner thigh, especially noticeable at a stop. Not that it'll fry anything, but it's hot even when the engine temp gauge reads just 90⁰C. My Yammie goes up to 105⁰C at stops, but I don't feel this kinda heat that the Monster emits, perhaps due to the engine placement. Anyways, it's good information on the reason Ducati headed this direction for the new model, may take a second look at it sometime.
I love it. Put down a deposit for my very own 2 days ago. Style is important to me too, and I love a trellis frame on a bike as much as anyone. But even without it, this Monster is still the best looking bike in it's class.
Definitely correct 'Bob'. Excellent video......nice to see a contributor who 'adds' something, instead of just replaying the Ducati promo footage. Trellis frames are for roses to grow on and the 'love the ancient mafia' would have us all riding in horses and carts - guys - look what happened to Harley with their antiquated styling and think (!). The first Ducati (seeing as I am not limber enough to ride something like a Panigale) to tempt me away from Honda - that's saying something - and is bound to win over newer riders. We need to encourage new riders not subject them to a museum trip!
The problem is that no one rational would ever buy a ducati or italian bike that looks like any other japanese bike of the market. Cause without its heritage desing and personality what really is a ducati, u have the ktm duke with better performance for sure, and the kawa z900 and the mt 09 at a way lower price. So whats the selling point of this bike? Is it worth to destroy the soul of a bike just to make it a bit lighter.
So people are only complaining about the looks. All they had to do was paint the aluminium frame red to mimic the look of the red trellis frame. A little bit of red to make it pop and enough people would be satisfied
Forget about the Italian and British bikes. Japanese very reliable and not expensive. You pay almost double for the Name, we are not here to question :"Who is who", we are here to ride the bikes!!!
I’m so glad the MT-07 was available for Ducati to design their new Monster from. The tank and side profile are near copies. Oh, oh, but.....since the all time best and most versatile naked, the MT- still has a steel tubular frame, does that make the Yami more European than the Dumster?🤣 Probably not since the MT is 100% built in Japan. And we all know the difference between Japan bikes and European bikes- European bikes have built in GPS to their nearest service center.✌🏻
I had a Ducati monster 15 years ago and I sold it 2 years later it was a fun bike on uphill roads but when I was getting around town was a nightmare Ducati bikes have it's own personality at 360 degrees and premium specs there is not much to upgrade apart some styling part to make it yours because as performance the Monster has an engine with a lot of power I believe it's worth to get it for a test ride because if it's like it has been described those nightmares might become dreams again
With retro being all the rage these days, would it better for them to make the streetfighter range the modern naked performance range, and the monster the retro naked range?
People that want an mt09 have already bought one. This is a step on the right direction but they’ll need to make a much longer leap to actually win some of those sales back.
Most people bitching about the looks have probably never owned a Monster anyway. I never liked the old trellis frame. I currently ride a Z800 and have been trying to decide between a Z900 or an MT09. I am now waiting to see one of these in the flesh at a dealer, but it has definitely moved to the top of my list.
Hope it works out for ducati. Anyone else remember when they tried to fuck with the 916/918 shape? They introduced the 999 and quickly back peddled to the old shape via the 1098🤔
Looks more in touch with the time... however the Desmo services must be a factor when buying. The KTM will be much cheaper to own on the long run. Ducati must not only address the style but also look at ownership cost over a period of time compared to their rivals ( and I am a Ducati fan with a new SF V4 S in the garage....).
On paper the KTM is better for the money - adjustable sus and proper top spec brembos. It’s a hell of a ride. But I’ve not tried the monster yet, and I’d argue it’s far better looking.
@@motobob I agree about the looks, the Monster is spot on. And I agree about the specs...but specs or not, it's all about the feeling. So a test ride will help the process 🙂
ITS A MONSTER IF IT BURNS YOUR NUTS. ITS A DUCATI IF IT DOESN'T START
@@capngeo2002 or more like lie about their performance and reliability. lol try to keep up.
LOL, I’ve owned 4 Ducatis in the past 6 years and have had zero problems with any and they always start. But some of them do get hot, true.
@@r6mt09 You’ve never watched WSBK I guess. 🤣
@@capngeo2002 i bet you don't even have a bike. lol
@@ilmostro16 yea i do. thats why ducati or any euro trash bikes never win LMFAO
As a 2004 monster owner, and owning it since new, I might be tempted in updating.The thing I would say to all the nah sayers is, if ducati doesn’t move forward they will end up being the Italian version of Harley Davidson, and no one wants that.
Well they’ve dropped desmo valves and belts on the Multi V4 so thats a start.
Well said!
Hmm I’m not sure about that....
Not even remotely similar. Ducati has always been at the forefront of design and innovation. Ducati makes bikes like Diavel, Monster, Multistrada, Panigale, Scrambler... Harley only makes choppers.
@@ampm9771 read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.
“Almost as sharp, as a scalpel”....this guy 😆
"wow it's a new brutale " that was my first impression when i saw that video hahaha
That's a compliment.
SAME HAHA!!
OML SAME HAHAHA
Imagine my relief when I realized MV had not actually created this eyesore
@@Heavywall70 Except the new Monster is not an "eyesore"; not at all.
Even the '90s Monsters look beautiful, when seen even today out on the streets. I doubt this will be the case with the new Monster after a decade - and it's not just the frame.
People were complaining that they looked outdated in the ‘00s. However, my red/white S2R1000 was the most beautiful bike I ever owned, and the one that got the most compliments whenever it was ridden. Damn shame my local dealership Grenaded the engine, refused to fix it, and eventually the bike was sold off for parts.
I'm so glad I bought the last good looking Monster (2020 1200s).
trellis frame NEEDS to come back.
When KTM 890 and MV Agusta brutale mate😂
I’m thinking more of the MV Agusta Dragster mate
@@willfischer4767 yes i meant the brutale dragster too
@@midhungopan9270 They all sound incredible so who cares
@Ben Daulton what's wrong with riding all the time? Its way better than looking at a bike all the time , bikes were meant to be ridden, not looked at?
@@Antimortem lol, they why different colors ?
You guys here are not passionate Ducatisti. So it is expected to like the new Monster. It is an excellent bike. Fantastic in any way. But it is not a Monster. The Monster is the Ducati with the biggest fans. And we are all disappointed. We, the monsteristi, love the trellis frame. It is the most recognizable characteristic of our bikes. We, the Ducatisti, want the trellis frame. I have never bought bike other than Monster. And I never will. You see, the problem is, I will never want to buy this bike. All the Ducatisti I know, and I know a lot, can't even look at the new Monster. Excellent bike, but there are many other excellent bikes out there. It is not unique. Not recognizable. Not the Ducati we love. It is a Ducati for a lot of people, but not for Ducatisti.
It’s beautiful, technically advanced and don’t forget that the monster created the whole naked bike category from scratch
I love Monsters, but should politely remind you that "back in the day" nearly all bikes were naked.
@@pecheuranglais5469 fair point
it looks cheap for sure.
Lmao 🙄
It's basically a honda cb1000 with Ducati written on it...
You haven’t even seen it on the flesh
The vast majority of riders love their bike just by looking at it even when it’s standing still. Aesthetics is an integral part of owning a bike that as years passed has become classic. So yes, it may be a better bike but they could give it a pointed headlight and name it Streetfighter 900. Disrupting a cult family of bikes like the Monster was a wrong move.
The only thing I'd change, for it to be absolutely perfect, is the swingarm for the single sided one and the placement of the exhaust (one on either side like the old monster) other than that I think it looks amazing.
I don't like this monster. The trellis frame was more macho and masculine and really typically monster. Sorry to say that. 🤔
MONSTER isn't only skin deep, but also what's inside. My ex is a Model, but trust me, pure MONSTER inside.
LMAOOO
I really like it. I think Ducati had to move forward with the Monster. This is a bike that would tempt me to move away from my more retro Scrambler.
@Ben Daulton huh?
They should have called it a baby Street fighter, and stuck with the Monster line.
Don’t like the look; looks like a Japanese MV, now ... but they had to lighten it ... Doesn’t interest me, tho’
I'm a fan of Ducati always thinking of us with a shorter stature.
I love the new look ,the 821 was just too heavy which made my decision easy to buy the Street triple R instead but I'm gonna seriously consider the new monster when I change next year.
Maybe you’ll find them that Ducati is charging you more than Triumph for cheaper components. The Monster‘s is equipped like a bread and butter Streety but costs RS money. I’m a complete Ducati head, but I’m really looking forward to the new Speed Triple because Triumph is evolving their strength while Bologna/Ingolstadt are badge engineering the hell out of their model ranges.
Maybe you should try lifting some weights if you think the 821 was heavy.
@@centralregionriders4069 I'm a powerlifter smartarse.
Congratulations Ducati! You made a 2004 Buell.
Hardly. Not until they put the fuel in the frame, lol.
Tait Jones It's a Buell also... ok, so a Buell, Brutale, MT... other?
How many bikes did Buell sell last year?
Oh.... Right...
@@SquireSCA
You’re illustrating the whole point.
@@Heavywall70 Ducati sales are up. Hell, for 2017, they were the top selling superbike, in the world. They had 25% of that market, globally. 1 out of every 4 superbikes sold, was a Panigale. In that segment, they outsold all of the Japanese brands...
Buell... not so much...
I think absence of a single sided swingarm makes a huge difference
not all monsters have single sided swingarm anyway - mine doesnt.
@@DucatiNYCVloggyVlogs no what I meant was if 950 hypermotard got one, y not this?
For me is like an evolution of a Yamaha MT designed by Ducati. A real MT-onster.
ill prefer the 821, i think is muscular, monsters dont need makeup
Same. They could have added a faux frame( made of very light weight pipes) on either side just for the aesthetics.
The monster has always been about the trellis frame design
@@yournemesis2454 if they’re going to put a fake trellis frame on it, I’d prefer they made it look like a dinosaur... like a T. rex doing 80 down the highway.
At least the hyper 950 still has the trellis. Heck they added even more trellis since the hyper 939! 👌🏻
I like the new design. Trellis frames look dated now. That exhaust looks great for a stocker. 👍
Well i can agree on that too, but that trellis frame was the identity of Ducati Monster
@@midhungopan9270 would you rather Ducati be like Harley and be so stuck on heritage that they can never progress?
@@everydaymaverick2166 definitely not,modern bikes like H2 and Duke series got trellis frame, does that look like stone age bikes like harleys.?, of course italians companies are meant for beauty i got your point too
@@midhungopan9270 I’m just saying that for the bike to be a literal monster, I think it’s a step in the right direction.
Love the specs, not feeling the look, but likely a good decision by Ducati. However, Ducati's decision will likely affect my decision in considering a new Monster.
Yep, same here I probably wait for a new Ducati neo classic model that's not a scrambler or buying a thruxton or nine t...
@@G1lgamesj You'll be disappointed in the NineT; it's beautiful, probably the best looking bike I've owned; and it's "'perfect" in so many ways...that it doesn't have any soul, nothing to punch you in the gut and make you feel like you've got a wild one between your legs. I've also owned a Thruxton (900cc) and enjoyed it's light, nimble feel. The 1200 cc version has a little more torque that makes it fun. I had a 2018 Hyper and loved that bike; great visceral feel and performed well on long distance rides in "Touring" mode. I will likely buy another or find a used Monster 1220S.
@@kenloyd Damn... It's the thing that worried me the most with the nineT, beside of looking like the perfect bike, the engine sound is not all that great when you have driven a desmo before and spec wise It looks like a boring engine but like you say mechanical perfect in everyway. I went to see for a Thruxton R, the sound is very good, probably drives good aswell but the exterior design is so basic I find it boring, plain painting design (black or gray) and I don't like the big metal strap holder around the fueltank, also the lack of a mono arm. But It's probably the most true design to a retro cafe racer, except for the watercooler. And the scrambler series feels like a downgrade, maybe fun as entry bike or when I am 60 years old...
Guess I have to wait for the next Ducati sport classic or alternatives sigh...
im willing to bet that 99,9% of the negative comments about the trellis frame come from people that dont have a monster because it wasnt a great bike vs the competition. If you want a red trellis frame so bad get a red one painted on :)
Love the headlight.
RIP monster 🪦
YES thank you!! People are so uptight about the ditched trellis frame. Yes it was beautiful but technology moves on. I've never heard of a 40 lbs weight loss across a single generation, let alone for an already pretty light bike. It no doubt has a gigantic impact on the dynamics. I absolutely love the new Monster, can't wait to see it in the flesh.
A lot of the weight reduction came from a lighter engine, wheels and alloy front section which could still be used with a lightened trellis frame.
It looks pretty good to me. Apart from the headlight , does look very MT-09 ish. I prefer the new Monster's headlight to the MT-09s one.
Maybe Ducati should have given it a different name, and just kept making a Euro 5 Monster for those who want the trellis frame. Triumph still make the quite heavy T120 for those who like that kind of thing !
I dig it. That frame was iconic but...can’t be there forever !
Had a 696 and 821, this new monster is dope and i feel like it's a great step forward into the new decade of motorcycles. Everyone complaining about the trellis frame is just stuck on nostalgia. Technology improves and so they find their way into modern machines. I give it to ducati bold move and keeps them from making HD mistake of not being able to break away from their past
If you want technology you wouldn’t get a Monster. You’d get something from Japan. It will objectively be cheaper and better. But it would look like a Japanese bike. As does this bike.
Which begs the question: why not get a better bike if you already like the styling?
@@bborud as much as sounds go, monster has em beat, looks as well the headlights are huge turnoffs with the mt and z900
LOL, how many HD-related comments here. Bots?
Let’s face it, time moves on, technology changes, I sat on it, but did not ride it. It immediately felt right and comfortable. Doesn’t hurt VW $$ is behind Ducati, can only help. For a fun, it’s an attainable Duc, I’ll have at it. I expect to be on one this coming year. Thank you Ducati, and great review ! JMO
This release is vile. Won’t be replacing my 821 with this crap.
It's not a Monster anymore. It's a Hipster. They've killed the Monster.
I WANT ONE! GORGEOUS! But. between the new Street Triple RS and this...I just don't know. Life is so hard sometimes!
I'm in the exact same situation!
@@jeffmattoxjr.4136 I have test driven the current Monster and the 2020 street triple RS , the Triumph is more fun to drive. If you can, test them out first !
I've come down on the side of the Speed Triple... bit more pricey, but approx 38 more HP and adjustable suspension... and NO desmo service...
Buy the Speed Triple, this so-called monster is horrible!!!
Very neat and intelligent design .This is the way forward for the monster. The only thing I wouldn't change would be the fuel tank and kept the wheelbase unchanged. Then again, they have to cater to the new riders. Still, I think this Monster is how a modern monster should be. Top quality components from A-Z that you get only from Ducati.
My gsxr1000k5 is 166kg dry!
Is that because your forks have snapped off at the headstock?😆
@@tigerick7291 just looked it up and the dry weight of the K5 is 166kg.. that's lighter than my 2010 street triple was 😯
Modular production, the death of invidivality....
Who are you, John Britten?
@@stevenkelby2169 I wish, minus the cancer....
Modular production, the only way manufacturers can offer great products to an affordable price
This guy really knows how to get straight to the point, I knew nothing of the monster bikes and now I know what the hubub is about the new version. And he only took 8 minutes to hit all the detail nice job
I have a 2020 Diavel 1260 S. But I want to get one of these too. I like the new design. Although at 6'1" 215lbs, not sure if I'm too big for it.
A Ducati fan saying they don’t like change is like an ice cream fan saying they don’t like these new flavors. Ducati is cutting edge. Without cutting edge Ducati ceases to exist.
I own a Monster 2020, the last batch of 25 years of development...gonna keep it because I love how it rides and looks. The new monster is totally different but it also looks great and fresh, I’m gonna buy it too next year and enjoy the best of two worlds!
Is it crazy that I wanted the Aluminium monocoque chassis painted in red as an homage to the monster trellis of yesteryear
That would have been so much better, red frames are awesome.
Looks very nice. Sleek. Got to move with the times. Got to be open to change and progression or you just get left behind.. I am quite sure it will be a proper Ducati... Will be temperamental, expensive for parts, expensive to service, will break down, but at least it looks good.
Looks-wise it is a disaster. What is all that curled up black snake gobbledygook where the engine is supposed to be? Then, the rest of the styling is completely incohesive. The old one had a flavor and you either like it or you didn't. The new one is just a big mess with too many ideas gone wrong.
Thank you for mature analysis and opinion regarding design change. In general I don't like Ducati much, however I appreciate bold decision they made.
What's bold about that? It just makes it blend it even more in the production, looks like any other bike now and the character is also slowly disappearing.
@@the_hippykiller22 15kg of weight has significant impact on acceleration. Even if one has bike just for posing, soon he will be frustrated that friends are faster on lights. Someone at Ducati had to make difficult decision. It doesn't need to be completely right, however they can adjust next years. Without this step, new/young people would go elsewhere... That's it.
Love my 2016 1200s this doesn't make me want to change.
5:18 get your facts correct,...no Panigale has ever had a trellis frame, every Panigale frame is cast
The V4 has a trellis frame, but other than that version, you are correct.
@@taitjones6310 No, your wrong,..all Panigales have cast frames, including the V4, it uses the engine as a stressed member and also doubles up to house the air filter , do you own a Panigale?
I suggest you go and have a good look under the petrol tank and you’ll clearly see it’s a cast frame 🤷🏻♂️!!
Loved the trellis frame but progress is KING!
Ducati Knows what they do
I get excited every time motobob post a new video of a new bike. Been waiting for him to review the new Ducati Monster and now it’s here!
A year on and I’ve not seen a single one. I think that says it all! It’s really going to be interesting to see which direction they go to next.
Good point :)
Monster 1993 to 2020. RIP
Even the exhaust looks good.
The previous version just had so much character! this one on the other hand in my opinion doesn't have the monster character, it would be better if they renamed it to Streetfighter V2
Exactly... this is the streetfighter V2
had a monster 15 yrs ago. this is the first edition to make me want another. kudos. cant wait to see a bigger displacement option as well.
No thanks. Was gonna buy a monster, but now that swartpillen is looking better.
I totally love it, really can’t understand why some people are moaning onwards and upwards for Ducati.
Great video and some nice technical advices on the new Monster. But.... think I come into the die hard old school style of Ducati owner, because I love the look of the trellis frame and definitely will not be trading in my gorgeous 812 Stripe for one of these. But, each to their own, and maybe I'll come around to liking it in a couple of years.
I have loved the style of the Ducati Monster ever since I got into motorcycles. The Trellis really was eye-catching and distinctive. But the lightness and Panigale-ness of the front-frame is pretty awesome too.
And now looking at the 20/21 Monsters next to each other, the Trellis does look a little dated.
I recently bought a 2019 821 in red (new). I wanted the 937, but I would need the lowering kit. And besides, my dealer is still waiting on more bikes? So the 821 is good for now. The 937 saved 40 lbs with the re-design, that's a lot!.But I agree with you; the 937 is the better bike!
I’ve owned the 2003 Monster as my first bike ever. Then a 2011 Monster. Then a 2008 Sport Classic and a 2009 GT1000. I LOVE Monsters. The frame is iconic. Sad to see it go. This bike looks cheap and doesn’t stand out to me. Maybe time will change my opinion, but that’s my first impression.
It's time to move on from the trellis, it looks great, weight savings and more power. Nice work Ducati.
You nailed it! Looks great to me too.
Ah buddy, I can't bring myself to agree with you (though can't dispute any of the points you made) - I got into riding because I saw a Ducati Monster once when I was younger, it had a red frame and twin exhausts, I could see the engine and it made a racket that made me grin ear to ear. I bough my first Monster 2 years after getting my license but was surprised at how smooth the 796 was, the 821 seemed smoother still - it didn't have the 'rough and ready' character that I imagined it would. I feel like by chasing efficiencies they may be losing character - its the reason why as impressive as the Japanese roadsters are, I'm not drawn to them. It's the reason I didn't fall in love with the parallel twin in the 790 duke - I want my Monsters to be monstrous!
I liked it so much I called my Yamaha dealer and told them I didn’t want my MT-07 anymore and I managed to get all my money back. I think it blows them out of the water... maybe not in price but but on pretty much every other comparison! 😍😍😍
Some people including me:
-Wait until you see it in the flash.
Me:
-Let me get BMW F900R with fuel and wurst and don't forget the beer please.
Luckily, the Monster did keep it's Desmo valves. That's good enough for me. Now the Multi loosing single sided swing arm, desmo valves, 17' front wheel and the trellis frame. Too much to stomach at the moment.
They don’t need outdated Desmo technology anymore, they need longer maintenance intervals and I believe this one has got 18,000 mile valve checks.
@@wirenut3020 Desmo valves are only outdated on the mildly tuned Testastretta engines. They are very much relevant in the V4 superbike that can rev 1000rpm higher than its competitors in WSBK. Literally had to cut their top end to keep things competitive.
I’d not heard that. Is that why the MotoGP Ducati’s are faster on the straights?
@@wirenut3020 Not sure, the GP bike may use pneumatic. Only thing better than Desmo for high RPM valve actuation is pneumatic. Ducati was just artificially handicapping themselves for years in WSBK running 2 cylinders vs 4. Desmo helped them get that 10th tenth out of those engines though.
I think I read an article by Kevin Cameron in Cycleworld about valve springs and their early problems....it’s oscillations and breakage. I think he had stated that the desmodromic system was once an advantage but that it wasn’t needed anymore given the reliability of the current valve springs. I figured Ducati had accepted the reality of that to extend their valve train adjustment mileage to 18,000 miles, and because of that, the new monster is looking better to me as possible owner. I’m all over the place right now with what may be my next bike.......a good problem to have..I think!
Fantastic in every aspect, they should have done it long time ago. I had three monsters in the past, this one is amazing, lets hope it delivers the goods as good as it looks. Bravo Ducati, if this bike is as good as they say, I will buy it.
They should’ve just made it a small capacity Street fighter and left the monster range going on the way it was.
It’s great! As regards the styling, without the “Trellis” it still has the style, as with a lot of manufacturers, “If you don’t progress you finish up standing still”. This new Monster 👍👍👍
Looks great but if you live somewhere hot witth dense traffic i’d check that the engine heat is bearable. On other models like my scrambler full throttle and the hyper motards are like sitting on a pizza oven.
no more single swingarm?
unless there is 1200 coming
Test rode this model couple of months back, some small windy roads and a stretch of freeway. I live in the tropics and it's hot and humid all year round. Power, yes, quite enough for me. Maneuverability, check. Fun, definitely. Looks... er, well... trellis aside, there's not much of a design identity that shouts out really positively at this point. Engine heat, most definitely, right side inner thigh, especially noticeable at a stop. Not that it'll fry anything, but it's hot even when the engine temp gauge reads just 90⁰C. My Yammie goes up to 105⁰C at stops, but I don't feel this kinda heat that the Monster emits, perhaps due to the engine placement. Anyways, it's good information on the reason Ducati headed this direction for the new model, may take a second look at it sometime.
Now Its just Ducati , without "Monster".
everybody is getting lost in the nostalgia of past designs instead of embracing and appreciating the new and bold models in the bike and car world.
I love it. Put down a deposit for my very own 2 days ago. Style is important to me too, and I love a trellis frame on a bike as much as anyone. But even without it, this Monster is still the best looking bike in it's class.
Definitely correct 'Bob'. Excellent video......nice to see a contributor who 'adds' something, instead of just replaying the Ducati promo footage. Trellis frames are for roses to grow on and the 'love the ancient mafia' would have us all riding in horses and carts - guys - look what happened to Harley with their antiquated styling and think (!). The first Ducati (seeing as I am not limber enough to ride something like a Panigale) to tempt me away from Honda - that's saying something - and is bound to win over newer riders. We need to encourage new riders not subject them to a museum trip!
For get the frame
Its a better bike in every single ways what else do people really want
The problem is that no one rational would ever buy a ducati or italian bike that looks like any other japanese bike of the market. Cause without its heritage desing and personality what really is a ducati, u have the ktm duke with better performance for sure, and the kawa z900 and the mt 09 at a way lower price. So whats the selling point of this bike? Is it worth to destroy the soul of a bike just to make it a bit lighter.
Agree with all the positive points, but the trellis frame was really cool.
So people are only complaining about the looks. All they had to do was paint the aluminium frame red to mimic the look of the red trellis frame. A little bit of red to make it pop and enough people would be satisfied
Forget about the Italian and British bikes. Japanese very reliable and not expensive. You pay almost double for the Name, we are not here to question :"Who is who", we are here to ride the bikes!!!
I’m so glad the MT-07 was available for Ducati to design their new Monster from. The tank and side profile are near copies. Oh, oh, but.....since the all time best and most versatile naked, the MT- still has a steel tubular frame, does that make the Yami more European than the Dumster?🤣
Probably not since the MT is 100% built in Japan. And we all know the difference between Japan bikes and European bikes- European bikes have built in GPS to their nearest service center.✌🏻
the tank lines come from the KTM imo
I had a Ducati monster 15 years ago and I sold it 2 years later it was a fun bike on uphill roads but when I was getting around town was a nightmare Ducati bikes have it's own personality at 360 degrees and premium specs there is not much to upgrade apart some styling part to make it yours because as performance the Monster has an engine with a lot of power I believe it's worth to get it for a test ride because if it's like it has been described those nightmares might become dreams again
With retro being all the rage these days, would it better for them to make the streetfighter range the modern naked performance range, and the monster the retro naked range?
People that want an mt09 have already bought one. This is a step on the right direction but they’ll need to make a much longer leap to actually win some of those sales back.
Most people bitching about the looks have probably never owned a Monster anyway. I never liked the old trellis frame. I currently ride a Z800 and have been trying to decide between a Z900 or an MT09. I am now waiting to see one of these in the flesh at a dealer, but it has definitely moved to the top of my list.
Beautiful bike in it's own right but I struggle to find the Monster's identity in this iteration.
I have an 02 Ducati monster 750 S.I.e. She’s a lot of fun to ride but costly with repairs, even when done myself.
Hi
Does it run hot?
Is it big enough for someone over 6 foot?
Best naked 700/900cc bike.
Monster v street triple?
I prefer this one over the old one, good job Ducati!
Hope it works out for ducati.
Anyone else remember when they tried to fuck with the 916/918 shape? They introduced the 999 and quickly back peddled to the old shape via the 1098🤔
It's not that we miss the trellis. It's how this bike looks. It's more like a Honda or Yamaha from the side
Looks more in touch with the time... however the Desmo services must be a factor when buying. The KTM will be much cheaper to own on the long run. Ducati must not only address the style but also look at ownership cost over a period of time compared to their rivals ( and I am a Ducati fan with a new SF V4 S in the garage....).
It’s definitely different but still beautiful! Plus I’m sure the Duc Giant knows what they’re doin 🤓👍🏼
It looks better with this new frame, not so fence-like! This could really be my next bike...or the KTM Duke...hmm
On paper the KTM is better for the money - adjustable sus and proper top spec brembos. It’s a hell of a ride. But I’ve not tried the monster yet, and I’d argue it’s far better looking.
@@motobob I agree about the looks, the Monster is spot on. And I agree about the specs...but specs or not, it's all about the feeling. So a test ride will help the process 🙂
I think it looks a lot like a Honda CB 650r
was going to get a v2 streetfighter, but monster sp is the one now
i think they should've kept the tank round like before without any curves