Hello, that's a very good question. There is one thing to keep in mind with regard to minuets in the classical era: when minuets were written as independent pieces, as in this video, they were usually meant to be danced to, so they had to fit into a very specific tempo and structure pattern. Rules regarding minuets within larger works, such as sonatas, string quartets or symphonies, were a lot more flexible because they weren't meant to be danced to. So, if you wanted to write a minuet as part of a sonata movement, you could take this video as initial reference, but you are allowed to be more creative with regard to phrasing. In these cases, composers usually extended the phrases lenght beyond the standard bar numbers displayed here, maybe adding extra repetitions, or even messing with the accents to momentarily displace the beat sensation as a kind of musical joke (all those thing would be disastrous if the piece was actually meant to be danced to). Also in these cases trio sections would most likely be in a different key than the minuet (generally V or IV degree or the relative minor/major). Hope that helps.
@@Zarty-Musicthank you so much 🙏.You helped me more than my teacher. ☺ LOL Also if we write a minute for dancing do we need to use the same progression you did? (I, V,V,VI)
@@SofoklisSavva I'm glad to hear! You don't need to use the same exact harmonic progressions displayed in this video, other combinations are also possible within the same formal schemes. Listening to minuets by actual classical composers helps a lot to get the hang of the style in terms of harmonic syntax.
My first completed composition, aged 4, was a Minuet in E flat, and I still think it's a very good form to start your composing life with (as did Mozart after all 🎉)
Bună!!!! F frumoase &interesante lecțiile de muzică,dar din păcate atunci când caut găsesc din păcate f puține în română ,iar cele în engleză nu au subtitrări și iarăși din păcate nu stau prea bine cu engleza. Mulțumesc!!!!🙏🙏🙏🤗🤗
@@Zarty-Music Please accept my apologies. The somewhat strange sound and the parallel motion led me to too rash conclusions. I cannot explain what it is exactly, but this bass sounds (here) a bit better to my ears: (bar 3) E C G | B * * | F D B | C * * | etc. Do you know why? I don't want to be rude, and it probably comes down to taste anyway. The minuet is impressively classical for the rest 😊
@@sf4horst Nothing to be sorry about. It sounds harsh due to the leaping parallel motion, which is something you avoided in your alternative bass motion, and that's why it sounds smoother. From my point of view, the harshness of the first version suits well with the sound of the early Mozart's minuets, which are full of these kind of suspcious moves (and which I took as main reference for this particular video). However, that doesn't mean that my solution is the only possible one, nor necessarily the best one.
Hello, and thank you! In the classical period we can find minuets either with or without anacrusis. For instance, in the set of 12 minuets Kv. 568 by W. A. Mozart, he used both options in the same amount (6 minuets each).
@@Zarty-Music I didn't know them. I'm analyzing in musical analysis class quite a few of baroque ones and they don't have it. I know in the classical period the form changed from being binary simple, but I didn't know that they also changed that. I guess that's to be expected given that it is a different period. Thank you!
Thank you! It's an IA indeed. I'm not an english native speaker, so it seems I accidentally messed up the pronuntiation in some parts. Sorry about that xD
Can we use this to when we write a menuet as a sonata movement?
Hello, that's a very good question. There is one thing to keep in mind with regard to minuets in the classical era: when minuets were written as independent pieces, as in this video, they were usually meant to be danced to, so they had to fit into a very specific tempo and structure pattern. Rules regarding minuets within larger works, such as sonatas, string quartets or symphonies, were a lot more flexible because they weren't meant to be danced to.
So, if you wanted to write a minuet as part of a sonata movement, you could take this video as initial reference, but you are allowed to be more creative with regard to phrasing. In these cases, composers usually extended the phrases lenght beyond the standard bar numbers displayed here, maybe adding extra repetitions, or even messing with the accents to momentarily displace the beat sensation as a kind of musical joke (all those thing would be disastrous if the piece was actually meant to be danced to). Also in these cases trio sections would most likely be in a different key than the minuet (generally V or IV degree or the relative minor/major).
Hope that helps.
@@Zarty-Musicthank you so much 🙏.You helped me more than my teacher. ☺ LOL
Also if we write a minute for dancing do we need to use the same progression you did? (I, V,V,VI)
@@SofoklisSavva I'm glad to hear! You don't need to use the same exact harmonic progressions displayed in this video, other combinations are also possible within the same formal schemes. Listening to minuets by actual classical composers helps a lot to get the hang of the style in terms of harmonic syntax.
@@Zarty-MusicAgain thank you so much! 😆Keep up the good work!👍
Excellent, I hope more to come!
Wow, this is really, really wonderful resource for composing. Please post more!
My first completed composition, aged 4, was a Minuet in E flat, and I still think it's a very good form to start your composing life with (as did Mozart after all 🎉)
@@TheTristanmarcus I totally agree! there is a reason why 18th century teachers used It as a pedagogical tool for young musicians :D
Great video! Very very useful and well explained! Keep going 🙌🏼
Thank you!
Just the kind of content I've been looking for.
Great video, the content is interesting and the animations look really neat!
This channel is gold
This was so helpful. Thanks alot.
Very helpful - thankyou
Super helpful - thank you!
I'm glad it was helpful! thanks for watching!
Thank you, good lesson
Bravo great content 🙏🏽💯
Bună!!!! F frumoase &interesante lecțiile de muzică,dar din păcate atunci când caut găsesc din păcate f puține în română ,iar cele în engleză nu au subtitrări și iarăși din păcate nu stau prea bine cu engleza. Mulțumesc!!!!🙏🙏🙏🤗🤗
Great Video, subbed! ❤ Hey Zarty, how can one reach out to you?
Thanks Luca! my contact email should be visible now in my channel.
Best regards.
Very good tips! I’ll have to use the to write my next Minuet and Trio
5:55 The left hand plays for fish. Large mouth or small mouth bass?
XD
Depends on whether it is before 7 pm.
Muito bom. Obrigado.
Amazing video! if you ever need help with the italian words pronunciation let me know!
I Will, thank you!
🐟line lol; This was a really helpful video though!
You have to play it with the right...>putting on sunglasses
8:41 Wait... is this a parallel fifth at bar 2-3?? 😱 Still very useful video. Many thanks!
Parallel 10ths (3rds). Thanks, I'm glad It was helpful.
@@Zarty-Music Please accept my apologies. The somewhat strange sound and the parallel motion led me to too rash conclusions. I cannot explain what it is exactly, but this bass sounds (here) a bit better to my ears: (bar 3) E C G | B * * | F D B | C * * | etc. Do you know why? I don't want to be rude, and it probably comes down to taste anyway. The minuet is impressively classical for the rest 😊
@@sf4horst Nothing to be sorry about. It sounds harsh due to the leaping parallel motion, which is something you avoided in your alternative bass motion, and that's why it sounds smoother.
From my point of view, the harshness of the first version suits well with the sound of the early Mozart's minuets, which are full of these kind of suspcious moves (and which I took as main reference for this particular video). However, that doesn't mean that my solution is the only possible one, nor necessarily the best one.
@@Zarty-Music Thanks!
Wauu
I would bet that the minuet doesn’t have anacrusis, nor the baroque, not the classical that remained, but great video.
Hello, and thank you! In the classical period we can find minuets either with or without anacrusis. For instance, in the set of 12 minuets Kv. 568 by W. A. Mozart, he used both options in the same amount (6 minuets each).
@@Zarty-Music I didn't know them. I'm analyzing in musical analysis class quite a few of baroque ones and they don't have it. I know in the classical period the form changed from being binary simple, but I didn't know that they also changed that. I guess that's to be expected given that it is a different period. Thank you!
Nice vid, I could have used this when I was doing my music degree. Is this an AI voice? Why do you keep pronouncing "bass" like the fish?
Thank you! It's an IA indeed. I'm not an english native speaker, so it seems I accidentally messed up the pronuntiation in some parts. Sorry about that xD
Now we know why preromantic classical sounds all the same.
Spot on! yet, fascinating how certain composers managed to make absolute masterpieces out of it.