Yakuza was just more appealing for the mainstream.. Shenmue was a little slow for today's "short attention span", which resulted in dwindling numbers of RPG games overall.. games where you walk around and talk to people, and watch a bunch of cut scenes. Shenmue 3 only happened because of so many loyal fans who are a bit older now.
Wow. This was good. I didn't know that Ryo shared moves and attitude with Jacky. Wasn't there a Virtua Fighter that was kind of like an RPG on Ps2? I remember ads for it calling it Kingdom hearts but with vf characters.
Phoenix Splash TV thanks bro. Yeah that would be Virtua Quest. I've been playing through it recently and am almost at the end. It's pretty interesting. Definitely not very good though lol!
MetaKnuxXbeats thanks! I've always wanted to see this subject get something close to a thorough treatment. I just got tired of waiting and decided to give it a shot myself. I'm sure there is plenty more VF stuff in there I missed
At the time I wasn't aware of it, but going on with the storline, especially during Shenmue 2, you have that definite feeling of being in a Virtua Fighter spinoff of sort.
Matt Hugh dude why are you complaining about a game that hasn't even been announced yet, what you're saying isn't necessarily going to be the case especially since the series did improve from one title to the next. Also your arguments are extremely subjective because 1.visual appeal is dependent on individual taste 2. sub-par animation isn't necessarily game breaking (though in some cases it certainly can be) look at how well injustice and mk did despite having janky in-game animations 3. just because you weren't satisfied doesn't mean everybody else won't be, as evidenced by the hefty amount of people who enjoys this franchise and still play it. Bottom line don't go jumping to conclusions on things you clearly know nothing about
Great video Segalacious! I'm glad VF will live on though Shenmue, but I'm still sort of sad Shenmue 3 is not attached to Sega. This means there might not be any VF or other Sega game references.
Oh wow, this was such an amazing video. There are so many interesting VF references I never even considered or realized. Sarah’s duality being channeled through Izumi and Chunyan makes so much sense, it honestly makes me love these characters even more! Speaking of which, I’ve gone through some of Shenmue’s unused animations and I’ve found a lot of other moves borrowed from Virtua Fighter. I was even able to trigger Jacky Bryant's victory pose in game through glitching (I hope this doesn’t get flagged as spam, but here’s a short video about it - ua-cam.com/video/23mKehtFPtE/v-deo.html ), so the Ryo - Jacky parallel isn't too unreasonable! Probably just a case of porting assets between the games, but still pretty neat. :)
The problem is twofold: between arcade and console, VF5 could be considered a modest commercial success at best, and there has to be an artistic reason to continue the series. If a new VF game fails to offer anything substantial over the currently existing games, it would absolutely be the final nail in the coffin for the series. Not to say that VF6 won't ever happen, but it's a much more delicate situation than I think most realize.
Virtua Bros Above all else, they need to find the right time to do it. Shenmue 3 makes more sense today than it did five years ago because of the popularity of Yakuza, which is obviously heavily influenced by Shenmue. This next wave of 3D fighters could make or break our chances of a new VF game in the near future.
The only RPG that I had play which had both Akira Yuki (Virtua Fighter) and Ryo Hazuki (Shenmue) as playable character was in the crossover RPG, Project X Zone 2 for Nintendo 3DS which was a joint collaboration between Nintendo, Sega, Namco, and Capcom. I'm planning to play through Shenmue 1 & 2 soon but not on modern consoles, it will be on my old Dreamcast.
where do you find this stuff,so much dedication LMAO hopefully the latest shenmue installment and the 1 & 2 re-releases does well enough to spark segas interest in the next virtua fighter, had they gone with the vf rpg idea it wouldve been perfect for explaining the lore of the series, or maybe even mixed the two
Fruari fry Haha I guess I have sort of an unhealthy obsession with Shenmue and VF :D. Actually, there are some interesting tidbits in shenmue peripheral storylines that do flesh out the VF universe more. I'm going to explore this a little in the near future :)
Whoa! I had no idea that Shenmue was originally made to be a Virtua Fighter RPG. I'm glad I started watching this videos. I've noticed that we have similar fighting game tastes like Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Dead Or Alive & Streetfighter. Although Yakuza not necessarily a fighting game in general and is a lot like True Crime: The Streets of LA minus the carjacking, I like the Yakuza series as well 👍 Do you like Streets Of Rage?
Hey hulk! I love streets of rage it's the bomb. I'm glad you stopped by and I'm glad you're enjoying some of my videos. I'm pretty slow at uploading but I'm always working on new VF lore videos :).
@@VirtuaBros That's awesome you love Streets Of Rage, I have just downloaded it from Sega Forever at the Play Store and having a good bash 💪 No worries about the uploading time, you have a life like everyone else so sometimes you get distracted or have other things to do which happens to all UA-camrs. I'll be looking forward to seeing your next VF video 👍
Really fascinating vid. Was great to see some of the early Shenmue footage from the Saturn. I'm not real familial with Virtua Fighter, but knew some of the characters were capsule toys in the first Shenmue. Know I know why :)
Thanks! You know if you would like to see some deep lore between shenmue and virtua fighter you could check out my Lau Chan VF lore video. The connections in that video are really fascinating to me.
The chance for VF6 to happen won't be for a while. I predict maybe in the next 2 or 3 years before a new VF happens, we can think of Shenmue as a VF game much like Urban Reign, and The Bouncer is to Tekken, and Tobal.
Silver Haired Devil I fully agree with you there. Also what was that one game with nina, death by degrees? I guess that's more like the equivalent of Virtua quest lol
Yeah It was Death By Degrees, Never played it. Guess it was Namcos attempt to create a Tekken spin off. I do want to point out that the 1st person mode originally was supposed to be in VF1 before it was scrapped.
I never thought of it as a space harrier reference, but it makes sense. Good video, man. I like the idea of a new Soul Caliber game, but it would be cooler to see a new Virtua Fighter. BUT man....Shenmue 3. I never thought that would ever come out.
Virtua Bros it's only on the ps3 as downloads with no internet connection or streaming attached. Virtua fighters 1, 2, 4 hd and 5 are all there 60 percent off.
Virtua Bros well let's hope for a re release of final showdown VF5. I'm personally really looking forward to the Shenmue re release this video has made me hyped. Many thanks
@@GK-yk4dk The "final" could be referring to the game as being the last installment in the VF5 series. Kind of like how DOA 5 Last Round meant it was the last version of DOA5, not the last ever DOA game.
I've been watching your videos since the first Sega Saturn video you made yrs ago. I've seen alot of UA-cam channels that try to copy your type of retro work and have alot more views....I dont get why. Keep up the good work hope your channel get more subs.
Thanks for that man. Well you know I'm ok with not having as many subs as other channels. I like having a few people that like the same stuff I do to hang out with. I don't need more subs when I've already got you guys 😉
@@VirtuaBros Saturn was my fav console all time. It had so much personality because it was hard to program for and great unique games. I guess that's the charm and you help relive alot of fond memories 👍
I'm actually a Kickstarter backers myself and I am actually fine with having to pay for the season pass. Why people think funding a Kickstarter should be treated like preordering a game is beyond me. I think it's ridiculous that people are making such a huge deal about it.
@@Angel-kw3ox Adam Koralik and actually did a podcast about it. It will air tonight on the Shenmue Fans channel around 8pm EST if you would like to hear more about it.
Maybe if fighting games become more popular, Sega will throw out a Virtua Fighter 6 to keep up with the competition. I personally think Arc System Work’s Dragon Ball FighterZ is doing a great job of getting new people into fighting games, which in turn might lead them to the current giants - Tekken and Street Fighter (and possibly Mortal Kombat). If that happens, fighting games might actually become a dominating force in the video game industry, and would be a great excuse for Sega to revive Virtua Fighter. I think.
LethargicCavalier sadly I do know of some hardcore shenmue fans that have explicitly stated they do not care for Virtua Fighter. It's pretty disappointing.
I had a pitch for VF 6. I made This Tournament event as Reality Show like Big Brother where all fighters live together in an private island that is isolated from the outside world for a cash prize of billion dollar. The Fighters are continuously monitored during their activity in the island by hidden cameras. Every once a week, the island owner will decide two candidates for elimination, the two candidates must fight each other and the loser will be evicted from the island.
Fighting games are now e-sport getting air time on ESPN2 . Developers sponsoring events and even donate price money . Sega has no reason to not join the competition .
As far as loyalty goes, i think sega is the worst videogame company out there. Its the kind of company to abandon its consoles on a moments notice (saturn, dreamcast) then immediately start making games for its rivals (like virtua fighter 4 on playstation 2). And how about leaving their top designer (Yu Suzuki - maker of all those amazing titles for them) to raise money on kickstarter to make Shenmue 3, when at the same time they apparently have the money for the Yakuza series, with a graphic engine the shenmue "remasters" wish they had ua-cam.com/video/o4jNHoY1TPE/v-deo.html
Virtua Bros I think they prob was talkin of that in the meetin room they never was comin out with that name I dont believe it just wouldnt sound right and without vf fighters in it no way
cmoneytheman Yu Suzuki gave a presentation in 2015 with pictures stating that Shenmue was originally intended as a Virtua Fighter RPG. Check out 3:59 and see for yourself man.
virtua fighters fans are so desperate is funny ..Grasping for Hope...Virtua Fighter is Dead ..get over it..dead or alive 6 will also be the last on the series the sales are all time low,,,i guess that the curse of virtua fighter that infected dead or alive when they put their characters on dead or alive 5......tekken 7 and soulcalibur 7 sold very well...they are the only hope for 3d fighting games to continue ...
I always thought Yakuza as a spiritual successor to Shemnue. If VF6 ever happens, they should add Ryo and Kiryu as guest characters.
sonicfan11589 agreed! Yakuza is heavily influenced by shenmue, but there has never really been another game quite like it
Or Add Some Street Of Rage Chrectars
@@mrcrashfusion9885 streets of rage 4!!!!
Yakuza was just more appealing for the mainstream.. Shenmue was a little slow for today's "short attention span", which resulted in dwindling numbers of RPG games overall.. games where you walk around and talk to people, and watch a bunch of cut scenes. Shenmue 3 only happened because of so many loyal fans who are a bit older now.
sonicfan11589 I think including those characters would really help the game getting sells (hopefully). The series really need the attention.
You know, Shenmue should've been a spin-off series of the Virtua Fighter series
Simply beautiful. I love Sega and VF. Thanks for representing them so well!
Belart Wright Occult Gaming me too! Hey thanks for being right there with me to appreciate them :)
Belart Wright Occult Gaming you're not alone on that one
Wow. This was good. I didn't know that Ryo shared moves and attitude with Jacky. Wasn't there a Virtua Fighter that was kind of like an RPG on Ps2? I remember ads for it calling it Kingdom hearts but with vf characters.
Phoenix Splash TV thanks bro. Yeah that would be Virtua Quest. I've been playing through it recently and am almost at the end. It's pretty interesting. Definitely not very good though lol!
Virtua Bros yeah heard it wasn't so good lol
Nice to see a full video about this subject. I knew about this for a while but I didn't knew the full story about this game idea.
MetaKnuxXbeats thanks! I've always wanted to see this subject get something close to a thorough treatment. I just got tired of waiting and decided to give it a shot myself. I'm sure there is plenty more VF stuff in there I missed
At the time I wasn't aware of it, but going on with the storline, especially during Shenmue 2, you have that definite feeling of being in a Virtua Fighter spinoff of sort.
RaceToNowhere absolutely! It's pretty hard to ignore for anyone familiar with VF.
You are doing great work, man. The nostalgia as I watch these is off the charts. Looking forward to your next video!
Thanks very much. Once work slows down a bit hopefully I can make a new video soon. I'm way past due for another video
I would love to see virtua fighter 6
bat man you and me both!
I would kill to play virtua fighter Six
Matt Hugh dude why are you complaining about a game that hasn't even been announced yet, what you're saying isn't necessarily going to be the case especially since the series did improve from one title to the next. Also your arguments are extremely subjective because 1.visual appeal is dependent on individual taste 2. sub-par animation isn't necessarily game breaking (though in some cases it certainly can be) look at how well injustice and mk did despite having janky in-game animations 3. just because you weren't satisfied doesn't mean everybody else won't be, as evidenced by the hefty amount of people who enjoys this franchise and still play it. Bottom line don't go jumping to conclusions on things you clearly know nothing about
Sega read your comment, and in 2024 said, “Yes.”
Great video Segalacious! I'm glad VF will live on though Shenmue, but I'm still sort of sad Shenmue 3 is not attached to Sega. This means there might not be any VF or other Sega game references.
Tylord Stevenson yeah tylord I worry about that too...
LOVE these Shenmue videos, man! Keep 'em coming!
Jake Wirkkala Thanks I'm glad you're liking them :)
Oh wow, this was such an amazing video. There are so many interesting VF references I never even considered or realized. Sarah’s duality being channeled through Izumi and Chunyan makes so much sense, it honestly makes me love these characters even more!
Speaking of which, I’ve gone through some of Shenmue’s unused animations and I’ve found a lot of other moves borrowed from Virtua Fighter. I was even able to trigger Jacky Bryant's victory pose in game through glitching (I hope this doesn’t get flagged as spam, but here’s a short video about it - ua-cam.com/video/23mKehtFPtE/v-deo.html ), so the Ryo - Jacky parallel isn't too unreasonable! Probably just a case of porting assets between the games, but still pretty neat. :)
Thanks I'll check it out. 😊
This video was a blast to watch, love seeing all the call backs to other Yu Suzuki games.
I am so hyped for Shenmue 1&2 and 3!
Shaian Willems Thanks man. I'm hyped too!
loved your voice.It reminds me of Ryo Hazukis real voice actor
love snake you know what's funny is you're not the only person to say that. It's very flattering though lol
The problem is twofold: between arcade and console, VF5 could be considered a modest commercial success at best, and there has to be an artistic reason to continue the series. If a new VF game fails to offer anything substantial over the currently existing games, it would absolutely be the final nail in the coffin for the series.
Not to say that VF6 won't ever happen, but it's a much more delicate situation than I think most realize.
multitrackdriftu It's a little tricky but it's also a flagship sega franchise. Allowing such a quality brand to diminish would be asinine in my view.
Virtua Bros Above all else, they need to find the right time to do it. Shenmue 3 makes more sense today than it did five years ago because of the popularity of Yakuza, which is obviously heavily influenced by Shenmue. This next wave of 3D fighters could make or break our chances of a new VF game in the near future.
wow, this was extremely well researched. Thanks for creating and sharing this with us.
Michael Stewart It's a labor of love! Thanks for watching :).
The only RPG that I had play which had both Akira Yuki (Virtua Fighter) and Ryo Hazuki (Shenmue) as playable character was in the crossover RPG, Project X Zone 2 for Nintendo 3DS which was a joint collaboration between Nintendo, Sega, Namco, and Capcom. I'm planning to play through Shenmue 1 & 2 soon but not on modern consoles, it will be on my old Dreamcast.
Awesome. I love those xzone games
where do you find this stuff,so much dedication LMAO hopefully the latest shenmue installment and the 1 & 2 re-releases does well enough to spark segas interest in the next virtua fighter, had they gone with the vf rpg idea it wouldve been perfect for explaining the lore of the series, or maybe even mixed the two
Fruari fry Haha I guess I have sort of an unhealthy obsession with Shenmue and VF :D. Actually, there are some interesting tidbits in shenmue peripheral storylines that do flesh out the VF universe more. I'm going to explore this a little in the near future :)
Damn even today shenmue 1 and 2 look fantastic, they really show the power of the Sega Dreamcast.
It's outrageous how gorgeous those games are.
@@VirtuaBros yeah and Ryo looks so fucking hot, too bad shenmue 3 was such a train wreck RYO DESERVED BETTER.
@@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042 nah I like shenmue 3
@@VirtuaBros O_O oh I didn’t know that XD
@@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042 🤣
Whoa! I had no idea that Shenmue was originally made to be a Virtua Fighter RPG. I'm glad I started watching this videos.
I've noticed that we have similar fighting game tastes like Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Dead Or Alive & Streetfighter.
Although Yakuza not necessarily a fighting game in general and is a lot like True Crime: The Streets of LA minus the carjacking, I like the Yakuza series as well 👍
Do you like Streets Of Rage?
Hey hulk! I love streets of rage it's the bomb. I'm glad you stopped by and I'm glad you're enjoying some of my videos. I'm pretty slow at uploading but I'm always working on new VF lore videos :).
@@VirtuaBros That's awesome you love Streets Of Rage, I have just downloaded it from Sega Forever at the Play Store and having a good bash 💪
No worries about the uploading time, you have a life like everyone else so sometimes you get distracted or have other things to do which happens to all UA-camrs.
I'll be looking forward to seeing your next VF video 👍
Really fascinating vid. Was great to see some of the early Shenmue footage from the Saturn. I'm not real familial with Virtua Fighter, but knew some of the characters were capsule toys in the first Shenmue. Know I know why :)
Thanks! You know if you would like to see some deep lore between shenmue and virtua fighter you could check out my Lau Chan VF lore video. The connections in that video are really fascinating to me.
@@VirtuaBros sure, I'll give it a watch. Thanks for the suggestion.
The chance for VF6 to happen won't be for a while. I predict maybe in the next 2 or 3 years before a new VF happens, we can think of Shenmue as a VF game much like Urban Reign, and The Bouncer is to Tekken, and Tobal.
Silver Haired Devil I fully agree with you there. Also what was that one game with nina, death by degrees? I guess that's more like the equivalent of Virtua quest lol
Yeah It was Death By Degrees, Never played it. Guess it was Namcos attempt to create a Tekken spin off. I do want to point out that the 1st person mode originally was supposed to be in VF1 before it was scrapped.
Silver Haired Devil no way that's awesome I never knew that!
@@ThrashMetalWolf666 Where did you heard that VF1 was almost having a 1st Person View?
I never thought of it as a space harrier reference, but it makes sense. Good video, man. I like the idea of a new Soul Caliber game, but it would be cooler to see a new Virtua Fighter. BUT man....Shenmue 3. I never thought that would ever come out.
Chris The Pocket Master hey chris! Yeah, it's exciting times we live in :)
Oh, one more thing.....
I'm looking for some sailors?
Good news, virtua fighter 5 is on sale for about 5 or 7 bucks until next month on psn, ALL VERSIONS.
alex magee gameplay are they playable on ps4 as a digital download or is it one of those streaming games?
Virtua Bros it's only on the ps3 as downloads with no internet connection or streaming attached. Virtua fighters 1, 2, 4 hd and 5 are all there 60 percent off.
alex magee gameplay rats. Looks like need to get myself a ps3
Any idea if VF6 is planned for development?
Tha Likely Lad so far all I've heard is that if it ever does happen it won't be for a long time
Virtua Bros well let's hope for a re release of final showdown VF5. I'm personally really looking forward to the Shenmue re release this video has made me hyped. Many thanks
Tha Likely Lad the pleasure is all mine. I'm looking forward to playing Shenmue as well :)
Idk it depends on how the words "Final Showdown" are defined in your head keyword being Final
@@GK-yk4dk The "final" could be referring to the game as being the last installment in the VF5 series. Kind of like how DOA 5 Last Round meant it was the last version of DOA5, not the last ever DOA game.
Link to end music? Beautiful
Enjoy ua-cam.com/video/X3H2md_oO3E/v-deo.html
I've been watching your videos since the first Sega Saturn video you made yrs ago. I've seen alot of UA-cam channels that try to copy your type of retro work and have alot more views....I dont get why. Keep up the good work hope your channel get more subs.
Thanks for that man. Well you know I'm ok with not having as many subs as other channels. I like having a few people that like the same stuff I do to hang out with. I don't need more subs when I've already got you guys 😉
@@VirtuaBros Saturn was my fav console all time. It had so much personality because it was hard to program for and great unique games. I guess that's the charm and you help relive alot of fond memories 👍
@@danielkim9587 same here man. Glad to know it 😊
Also guizang is based on ryu from VF anime, who is lau's student and a the main owner of kuaen kan (sorry for butchering the name)
Deep cut but you're right
Shenmue character action game lessgo😎
good video, greetings from Argentina.
Thanks man! So cool that people all over the world are into shenmue. Was sega big in Argentina?
Nice documentary dude.
Yeah. They should have made Shenmue, as a full fledged VF story.
That would have made more sense.
Thanks. Yeah, I feel like deep down the games still are a VF story at their core.
Virtua Bros
Yeah. Good point.
I kinda feel the same way too.
Guys, I really love your videos. let's looking forward VF6~~~~
Thanks man. Yep fingers crossed for vf6
Ironically. You have a similar voice to ryo hazuki
NicksNutrition Haha you really think so? I'm flattered :)
Fighting games are experiencing a big revival. There's no reason to sleep on an established series like this.
Hey bro I was wondering on your opinion about the Kickstarters not getting the season pass or pre order content issue.
I'm actually a Kickstarter backers myself and I am actually fine with having to pay for the season pass. Why people think funding a Kickstarter should be treated like preordering a game is beyond me. I think it's ridiculous that people are making such a huge deal about it.
@@VirtuaBros yes I've Never seen such hate for a game before. It's beyond me 🤔
@@Angel-kw3ox Adam Koralik and actually did a podcast about it. It will air tonight on the Shenmue Fans channel around 8pm EST if you would like to hear more about it.
@@Angel-kw3ox me neither. I feel that it is totally undeserved as well.
Awesome video
Jason Kyo thanks bro :)
Maybe if fighting games become more popular, Sega will throw out a Virtua Fighter 6 to keep up with the competition. I personally think Arc System Work’s Dragon Ball FighterZ is doing a great job of getting new people into fighting games, which in turn might lead them to the current giants - Tekken and Street Fighter (and possibly Mortal Kombat). If that happens, fighting games might actually become a dominating force in the video game industry, and would be a great excuse for Sega to revive Virtua Fighter.
I think.
RaijinX III I think you're onto something there.
I just hope all VF fans become Shenmue fans.
alex_de_tampa and vice-versa ;)
You... you mean to say they’re not already?
LethargicCavalier sadly I do know of some hardcore shenmue fans that have explicitly stated they do not care for Virtua Fighter. It's pretty disappointing.
Also future Virtua Fighter games should be released for Nintendo's consoles
Yes!
Hey can you make video about sega IPs should come back
Sugar Arabic24 that might be a good idea. I'll have to think about it.
Okay but have you heard of video game called last bronx and can you make review for it or make review for sonic battle on gba
I had a pitch for VF 6. I made This Tournament event as Reality Show like Big Brother where all fighters live together in an private island that is isolated from the outside world for a cash prize of billion dollar. The Fighters are continuously monitored during their activity in the island by hidden cameras. Every once a week, the island owner will decide two candidates for elimination, the two candidates must fight each other and the loser will be evicted from the island.
Fighting games are now e-sport getting air time on ESPN2 . Developers sponsoring events and even donate price money . Sega has no reason to not join the competition .
st fu exactly. They need to strike while the iron is hot.
It’s pronounced SEGA! You gotta shout its pronunciation. Just kidding you cool liked your video.
Haha hey when you're right you're right
For all matter and purpose, virtua fighter 1 was the very first shenmue game.
NO SHENMUE I & II FOR THE SWITCH, NOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭
As far as loyalty goes, i think sega is the worst videogame company out there. Its the kind of company to abandon its consoles on a moments notice (saturn, dreamcast) then immediately start making games for its rivals (like virtua fighter 4 on playstation 2). And how about leaving their top designer (Yu Suzuki - maker of all those amazing titles for them) to raise money on kickstarter to make Shenmue 3, when at the same time they apparently have the money for the Yakuza series, with a graphic engine the shenmue "remasters" wish they had ua-cam.com/video/o4jNHoY1TPE/v-deo.html
shen is not rpg its a straight forward story
cmoneytheman That is correct. But it *began* as Virtua Fighter RPG. That's literally what it was called in the beginning.
Virtua Bros I think they prob was talkin of that in the meetin room they never was comin out with that name I dont believe it just wouldnt sound right and without vf fighters in it no way
cmoneytheman Yu Suzuki gave a presentation in 2015 with pictures stating that Shenmue was originally intended as a Virtua Fighter RPG. Check out 3:59 and see for yourself man.
virtua fighters fans are so desperate is funny ..Grasping for Hope...Virtua Fighter is Dead ..get over it..dead or alive 6 will also be the last on the series the sales are all time low,,,i guess that the curse of virtua fighter that infected dead or alive when they put their characters on dead or alive 5......tekken 7 and soulcalibur 7 sold very well...they are the only hope for 3d fighting games to continue ...
Lol did you get enough ellipses into this comment? Punctuation 10 out of 10.
@@VirtuaBros i speak and know how to write 3 languages...i bet you only know english,, so take your head out of your ass