Amen man. Not to mention losing your childhood, your potential, your mental health etc... All for bullshit spouted by some old dudes in New York. Ya I'm a little angry.
i was really worried after your last video that you were signing off for a long time. so happy to see some more from you, you speak so clearly and logically. i have been saving all your videos for future reference
For me, i was angry because family and People in the Congregation would defend the elders with generic comments like; "you need to understand nobody is perfect" to which i respond "would you or the elders accept that as an excuse if i am taken in the backroom if we did something wrong and just say, well, nobody is perfect" No, they would drill you and harass you until you obey and show repentance, but the same rules do not apply to the elders, they act inappropriately because they cannot think for themselves and just do what the GB tell them in their hidden elders book as you demonstrated in your video and experience.
Your so right,great point. They are total hypocrites. Also a "worldly" person or even a priest could do something the Elders do to people and they would judge them as wicked or under satan's control.
Hi Caleb, I have been excluded for 2.5 years now, the biggest frustration is that I no longer see my children and parents, the rest can be stolen from me. The biggest advantage is that I can now really study and my world has really opened up. Only now you know that a lot of precious time has been lost, now I know who really is who Jehovah. And that after 55 years.
Jehovah, Jesus and all the other things that christian doctrine teaching is important and relevant to anyone who is seeking God and his will for their lives. This is why it is important after 55 years or 73 years like myself. Wasn't a JW but everyone has to reconcile their lives to their belief in a good and merciful God and his power and the evilness of this world.
finding out you were lied to your whole life and the reward is potentially losing relationships, yep that’ll do it. takes a while to get past that angry stage
@@ckelly5141 Yes they are but they are also in denial and refuse to open their eyes. Like many in Nazi Germany who knew what was going on, yet they went along with it blindly.
Caleb. Thanks for these broadcasts. You really do help a lot of people. One time when I was Special Pioneering in a foreign land I came home to visit my mother for two weeks. When I got home I got calls from all the JW's I knew and even went out on the ministry with them. In reality I couldn't wait to meet up with the JW's. After the two weeks was over I was about to leave to take the plane back to my foreign assignment and my mother was crying. I said to her "Don't cry, I will be back again next year". She looked at me and said "It makes no difference. You've been here two weeks but I have not spent anytime with you. You used the house as a place to put your suitcase and sleep and you were off with your Jehovah's Witness friends". I felt a pang of guilt but at the same time in my mind I justified it by thinking, "I spent time with my real family". I was horrible. I realize now what a vile person I was as a JW. I had an occasion where I worked before going to a foreign assignment. I was a regular pioneer and a guy where I worked asked me if I would go and have a drink with him. I said "I don't make friends with people in the world". I remember meeting an exJW and they said "My life has been far better since I stopped going. I have found peace and happiness". My answer? "Yes because now you're doing Satans will and he will leave you alone. Why attack you when he's already won and got you"? I am so ashamed now of the way I treated people. I thought I was "Being loyal to Jehovah" when in actual fact I was treating people horribly. Nothing like Jesus at all.
That is how we were taught to be: don't make friends with the world, and we were told our real family is our spiritual family. I shunned my sister for 40 years. That's really disgusting. We all did things we are ashamed of when we were in the cult. Certainly we weren't following Christ's example.
you could have treated people with respect and be more tactful. i never weanted to be a jw because of how rude they are, i have a family full of them, disgusting cruel behaviour
I really appreciate your demeanor and approach. I’ve just left in the last year as well. I was married to a very Narcissisticly abusive man , as I’m sure you know, I got no support there except from my family . They saw him for what he was but none of them live near me. There are quite a few situations similar to mine. One was also very physically abused, but when she left her husband who may have been a reg pioneer for a while, she was mistreated. We spend our time trying to show we didn’t leave them for another man, we aren’t just crazy over sensitive women, we love Jehovah. But still we are punished while our abusers are rewarded. My husband was not removed nor did he step down. In fact they gave him an Assembly talk. The other girl, her parents were removed of their positions when they let her move in with them for a while and now her ex has been made a MS. We’ve both left, I no longer believe it. I’m not DFed or “Removed , but I’m am now remarrying. My family is voluntarily Shunning me. Well I’m getting married in a church, so you know, I’m an apostate. lol. When I first was leaving and finally looked at some “Apostate” channels, I really tried to make sure they weren’t mocking or angry. I have realized though that following these legal cases going on around the world and watching Geoffrey Jackson give testimony is Apparently watching apostate stuff. Lol. I really wonder if they think about what they’re saying sometimes. Anyway. I appreciate your videos. True Brotherly Love to your family.
Thank you for your great videos you are really helping people, please don't let any negative comments from one's stop you, I noticed someone talked about your laugh, seriously how really nitpicky can someone be. I love the way you talk as you sound very sincere and I appreciate that so much. I came from a very dysfunctional family raised around the Jehovah's witnesses, being my family was so crazy I clung to the religion like a lifeline. I pioneered lived on nothing, married and elder served where the need was great in a small town of about 3,000 people. The number one cash crop of that area was marijuana before it was legal. The people in that area had their own security systems which included shotguns and attack dogs. They definitely didn't want Jehovah's witnesses there as they were afraid we would turn them in. I've had guns pointed at me, walked back to my car with a rifle pointed in my back, and was bitten seven times. We were putting 40,000 mi a year on our car driving 300 to 400 miles a day. I never saw my husband, he was always gone being an elder. I was beyond depressed. I Finally broke down and told the CO how much I was losing it. Without missing a beat the CO totally rebuked me telling me I was being selfish that Jehovah was using my husband, that was why we had been assigned there. That I would have my husband in the new system very soon. It shut me up but didn't help me a bit 😔 We went to Bethel, took a vow of poverty and helped to build the real estate empire. The whole time I was so depressed and so sad. I hated my life. Everyday I begged Jehovah to please let something change, nothing ever did. It was always told to me, 'this is not the real life', you need to wait to enjoy life in the new system. I gave up so much, for what? Then I found out about the CSA problem. It was right in the hall I was attending. I was told by a CO that I had to take a child molester in service in my car because my husband was an elder. To quote the CO 'I needed to get my head on straight,' over it. I lost it. All that I went through boiled down to this. My husband was deleted as an elder because I wasn't in subjection enough. At about this time, I was listening to Clark Howard on the radio and mentioned a blog by Mr. Money Mustache and at the same time I found in a little library in my town a book called your money or your life. It was a total game changer for me. I had always thought I was crazy because I am a saver. Telling me not to save is like telling me not to breathe. That was what made me so crazy pioneering, was all the wasted money just burning gas for nothing. I was always shamed and rebuked, put down, told I didn't have enough faith, that I was relying on myself, all I needed to do was pray and Jehovah would give me everything I needed. The thing was it wasn't happening. I was beyond depressed, praying was not working. There was a sister in the hall that when she was a child she was in Germany during world war II. She remembered people actually throwing money in the street because it had been devalued so much. She was always held up to me as an example of what I was going to do with my savings. Finding the FIRE community, I realized there were a ton of other people who saw and felt like I did I wasn't crazy. Yes I am bitter now. I spent my life living someone else's dreams and ideas of what my life should be. I was promised everlasting life. The CSA problem finally woke me up. There is no other life. This is our one chance. The stupid saying best life ever, was insane. So yes I am bitter when I think if I had just followed my heart, my gut, my instincts. I would be in a totally different place in my life. I know I can't go back and change anything, I know being bitter only hurts myself. I know that, but it's a process working through this. I honestly don't think anyone who wakes up is ever really okay. It's just extremely painful.😢
I like to say that it takes a crazy person to not notice a crazy world. Your sanity allowed you to eventually and correctly process the craziness you saw through a very cloudy pink lens that's freely given to every jw. I deeply feel for all you've certainty suffered in that harmfully insane world, may your peace and healing increase every day.
So sorry for the pain and depression you endured. I too am a saver, and when I saw how much of our donated money was going to pay victims of CSA in the courts, I never gave them another dime. If the org had just done what was right, the victims would feel like they were protected, and not feel the need to sue Watchtower. It truly is a disgusting religion. Glad you found your freedom.
Wow! Your story is so touching - and extremely important! I hope you will tell it one day bcz I know there's so much more that doesn't fit neatly into a UA-cam comment. Big hugs 🫂 to you for your bravery! Someone like you leaving gives me hope that one day, maybe my mom and sister will see this religion for what it really is! Much love ❤️
Being angry, when it's justifiable, is a normal response mechanism and part of the process of a very long journey for some, as the healing and rebalancing of so much loss and grief and ultimate betrayal continues with the ripple effects of emotional trauma...It's OK to be Angry...If you skip that step in your healing journey, you'll build up resentment instead, and that my friend will eat you quicker than any cancer ever has...There is a time for everything...Anger wont go away until you release it...Much Love to all those who have escaped and those that continue ongoing support thru the use of their individualized channels, Exposing the Deceit, Manipulation and Lies of the Worldwide Watchtower Organisation...
Very worthwhile 😊and helping many i am sure . Personally I am watching from Australia and have really enjoyed them . Was rewarded this week with a visit from a friend and so enjoyed having spiritual discussions. Being a senior and alone except from some other encouragement isn't easy. Was in for 80 yrs left 2020. Very happy. Many blessings to you 🙏 and your family ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
8:40 I tried to leave quietly. Unfortunately the elders pushed me too far. And by "too far", I mean that I refused to speak to them, they had no proof of anything, let alone '2 witnesses', and disfellowshipped me without my knowledge.
I've listened to all of your videos with an open mind. No chit chat, no cartoons, no ocean scenes, no middle aged man with a 16 years teenage haircut, no perfect or messy book shelves...you understand, I understand and thank you.
Great video! Thank you for your balanced approach in trying to understand people from all sides. Trying to look at things without emotional bias and trying to get to the root problems and focus on the facts is important.
The two JW I talk to outside the gym won't even acknowledge apostates to me. The irony is that apostates are far more vocal and a general problem to the organisation than us 'worldly' people.
Your calm and peaceful demeanor is refreshing, despite the hurt and turmoil you've gone through leaving the cult, you are processing it well. Have you noticed how bitter and angry most JW's are that comment on ex JW videos? I haven't seen it yet on yours, but they are abusive, name calling, not showing any traits of a Christian at all. Which makes me even more happy that I am out!!
As if these matters aren’t convoluted and challenging enough I’ve found through my own experiences and struggles having been a fresh active JW, a disillusioned and confused JW feeling pressed between a rock and a hard place, a bitter disfellowshipped JW and now for almost 20 years a reinstated but totally inactive JW (I jumped through the hoops, got ‘reinstated’, and after the meeting where my reinstatement was announced never went back) that one of the biggest challenges has been to resist the tendency to become like the very thing I grew to loath. I have found that in my efforts to make plain why I left the Org I was exhibiting much of the same behaviors that turned me off as an active Witness. It is difficult to remain silent when angry or hurt and feeling alone in your struggles. Engagement with your ‘enemies’ gives you some of your power back but ultimately just keeps you in place rather than freeing you. Please, I don’t want to sound preachy, it’s just that Caleb knows what he’s talking about and seems to be doing a good job of dealing with the Hatfields without becoming a McCoy.
I like these Videos. If you keep making them, it would be awesome to see some stories or examples that show just how man made the whole elder arrangement is. Stories of nepotism or favoritism. Things like that show how holy Spirit is not involved. That would be a great video. Give us the nitty gritty on how holy spirit is not involved in the congregation, or in selection. Being a jw, being taught elders were spirit appointed put the fear of GOD into jws. Do not question the elders! Give us deets without details. Lol Ty caleb
Raymond Franz may have been humble, but Crises of Conscience was written to appear he had humility, and overall Raymond was a very Humble man if you knew him. I was there to listen to him in person and hold Raymond as a very hard worker in the Organization, one of the hardest working Brother's I ever seen is Raymond! But I would not say Crises of Conscience is an example of himility because it truly exposes the GB of Watchtower! Yet as brother Raymond was among the most humble person I knew!
I spent like 10 weeks going over a little course booklet with Jehovah's witnesses, and this video was pretty on point as far as who they are trying to appeal to and the promises they make.
Fourth generation my sons (oldest two) were fifth generation and thankfully they’ve both woken up too. It’s frustrating because my highly educated parents saw all the Freemasonry all the occultism in the older publications and they still let us get baptized. Now that’s pretty much hidden with Kingdom Hal libraries being destroyed and nothing available prior to 1950 online. But I got baptized in 1977 as a 13-year-old. Two years after stay alive till 75. so it’s a gut punch to realize that everything I had thought was so true wasn’t. It does created identity crisis. However, if I hadn’t had so many accumulative experiences with Pharisees in sheep clothing, I wouldn’t have woken up. I have so much more compassion now for the angels had had to grab Lot and his family by the hand and yank them out of Sodom. Most of us have PTSD and I’m sure he did too from when he had been kidnapped by the Caldean and his uncle had to rescue him so the city gates. So I am grateful for what has taught me compassion and wisdom and insight. I’m very grateful for the life. I have now on my wonderful kids and husband, but I don’t appreciate being lied to and stolen from all those years, especially the stolen trust.
when u leave jw, it is very traumatic bc u are not just leaving a religion, you are leaving ur family and entire support network.. so it is a huge loss... as with any loss, you go thru the grieving process and anger is one of the natural stages so it is entirely natural to be angry at some point..and everyone goes thru the grieving process at different rates.. the key is to not get stuck in any one stage, but to process through each stage to reach the final stage which is acceptance... and it is only once u process thru this entire process that healing can take place and one can truly move on.. i was in the angry and bitter stage for quite sometime and i wanted to scream what i knew to the masses as if to warn everyone and shake those that were still in to their senses..but alas, i learned it is not my job to shake anyone..it is my job to process thru my own emotions and heal.. the ex jw community was so very important to my healing because hearing what others went thru and how similar all of our stories truly are is so validating and comforting...i am so grateful to anyone who shares their story and insights as different methods resonate with different people.. The real angry swearing bitter voices personally did not appeal to me.. i appreciated those that were rational and those that shared good truthful information with a calm spirit..I must say that leaving this religion was one of the best decisions my husband and i ever made, but it was also the hardest decision because of all the risks involved..our mantra became truth at the helm, and hence truth over tribe.. you cannot live an authentic life without truth.. Today there are many who believe that truth is subjective but personally i believe there is objective truth tha it is so worth the pursuit....peace and love to all
Probably because I wasted the first 25 years of my life on pointless worship, and the next 25 years waiting for Armageddon to destroy before waking up to the lies.
I knew one who threatened filing a lawsuit for slander if they're name was announced. What happened is my friend was "invited" to a committee to address accusations brought against him. The evidence would be presented at the kingdom hall. Apparently he repeated some things that were brought out in our local paper and was accused of looking at Apostate websites (i think someone snitched). He replied with a cease and desist letter from an attorney because they were calling and calling and arrived at his house unannounced (harassment). Well they backed off and i guess never announced his name but people love to gossip. He was deciding to fade after that and got a call from his relative "Do you believe the GB is gods channel?". Yes or no answer and it seems that's a tactic used to break families apart. I guess if they don't get you on the platform directly, they'll try getting to your friends and family.
I think we need to start a group legal movement against them, and let everyone who have the same experience join in, a single person won’t be able to do this
@@Whatsnexttex Yeah but our py enforced in my case my Mother but she was indoctrinated to the point of no return .So you would have to proof in court all those factors that screwed your life up every teacher ,every elder every parent and the gb
Where it steps into dangerous territory is where their total shunning of you ends up becoming unlawful, in my case as a non-JW I was named by my JW father to be a joint co-excutor in his last will and testament. My JW mother and my JW sister were named also as joint co-executors. For 18 months now they have completely shunned me from being able to carry out my fiduciary duty according to law. Not once have they cooperated. They jointly acted together to completely exclude me from being able to carry out my executor role simply because I am a non-witness. They performed the entire estate administration from day one without seeking out my approval or consent. The matter is back in court again this week. Executor misconduct, perjury, perverting the course of justice, wasting police time are just some of the crimes my JW family members are guilty of as they lie constantly to the authorities to cover their tracks and do their best to stop an investigation into these matters from taking place. I will not let it go. I am absolutely determined to bring them to account for their illegal actions.
Born in and escaped at 17. I’m so fortunate that I managed an education and independence. But how do you ever overcome loosing your birth family and childhood friends? And the shock when you wake up and realise that we’re a punching bag for abuse and that your needs were always secondary to the gb. Just yuck!!!!
When i was JW apostates were pretty much the evil slave class, Russellites. I remember only one disturbance at a convention, a woman approached the stage yelling something. When i began questioning JW beliefs i mentioned a couple of things to my best friends, particularly the 607 thing, and they joked to me that i was going apostate. Little did they know at the time they'd have to never speak to me again. One of them actually met me for lunch like 6 years after i got df'd. It wasn't even awkward but we didn't talk about JW stuff or even stuff from our past, it was just like yo what up you work for FedEx now? I found his file at the tax office i went to one day by accident. He had started his own delivery company and had massive back taxes and his bank statements showed he had very little money, but he was able to go out for a $120 dinner every week. I wonder if his attitude was the same as mine way back in the day "screw it, new system is coming, who cares if i lose my house I'll eventually be ok." Anyway nobody in my JW family ever shunned me and Dad talked about the Bible and theology with me all the time. I was one of the few lucky ones.
I am happy - I left 45 years ago. Now I am ok, retired, live in a nice country and have no financial problems. But it took time to forgive my mother (she threw me out after I was disfelloshipped being 18 year old). I am sometimes angry about three facts: CSA, shunning (which nearly cost me my life) and the rule of minimal education. I wonder, when the last group will wake up. As well, there are some nice JWs and I hope for them, they find their way out. Today I am a simple Christian.
Anger is a healthy emotion and it leads to boundary setting. We were socialized by WT to believe anger is only a negative emotion unless it’s righteous indignation expressed for WT purposes but the reality is anger is a necessary and healthy feeling when we process it and use it to understand where it’s coming from.
I remind my sister, who was an active catholic for many years, that if anyone is an apostate it’s her now that she has abandoned her former faith and is trying to get other Catholics to follow her new belief system as a JW. I, as an atheist, am not encouraging anyone to follow any other religion. But the irony is lost on her.
Just to add something that I was thinking about.. Scientology church and the JW cult have the exact same rules.. If you leave you shunned and deemd an apostate. But yet the JW'S are suppose to be different from the world but they apply the same rules as scientology,but they can't see it 😂😂😂. I'm so glad I'm out...
Part of the problem has to do with the very definition of "apostate". The dictionary simply defines it as "a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc." That's it. But the organization has always been between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the correct definition, because of the very real probability that allowing those still inside to associate with apostates in any way, shape or form will wake them up and remove the blinders. So they have to bastardize and twist the definition by defining apostates as evil and mentally diseased. (I had mental images of nightmarish versions of humans when I was growing up in the religion). After spending half a lifetime before getting out though, yes, there's anger and bitterness about wasting all that precious time you'll never get back. You don't get over that quickly. But in the end I'm still just someone who has forsaken my religion, nothing more.
You brushed over an important point btw. Saying how the emotional trauma can be so extreme for a lot of former JWs that some of them do not make it. Not pointing fingers at you for not elaborating on this point, for labouring the issue as this is not the point of your video but it is a point which needs to be addressed. The rate of suicide among ex members of the Jehovah's Witnesses is actually very high. Many former members will testify to the fact that they know of at least one or two or more, who unable to cope with the trauma of being shunned completely have committed suicide because they could no longer cope with this extreme form of psychological torture and emotional abuse. It is absolutely vile what the jehovah's Witnesses do to former members who they accuse of committing a sin, often without lawful evidence, through their kangaroo court system / the judicial committee elder process. Many of these JW elders in my opinion have the blood of many innocent members of the public on their hands. I personally see it as a form of murder by design because they must know the emotional damage they are inflicting on people without a conscience for their cruel actions. Such is the emotional trauma many exJWs go through that of those who do not commit suicide are instead left with deep psychological scarring as a result of the emotional abuse heaped upon them by members of the Jehovah's Witness community and in turn many of these people suffer for years, in some cases all alone in a world which by and large does not understand the issues involved. What the Jehovah's Witnesses do is cruel beyond measure. They are the instigators of this cruelty. They not only teach it as a part of their cult based fear programming but actually enact it too knowing full well the victims of their abuse will be left completely on their own with nobody to turn to for help and advice to help get them through their ordeal. The Jehovah's Witnesses are just thoroughly nasty people beneath their glossy fake 'kingdom' smiles, akin to smiling assassins who pretend there is nothing wrong and no harm caused by their utterly abhorrent behaviour. By their fruits you shall know them springs to mind. They are as far removed from real Christianity as it is possible to be. Their behaviour far from being loving, kind and merciful is to all intents and purposes like that of a whitewashed grave all white and clean as fresh snow on the outside, but inside full of rotting dead men's bones. Their behaviour is satanic, the very opposite of how Jesus instructed us to behave towards one another.
Appress enough people for long enough & they will talk, start support groups & resistance groups to help & warn others. I was born in & abused my whole life & are now shunned just because I dare to have a different view than them Im angry & understand compleatly why others are. Noone likes being abused!!!
It's obvious that when you put your trust in someone and are deceived you get angry at the situation that's why Jesus warns us about the trust in men Jeremiah 17:5 says, "This is what the LORD says: Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the LORD". ( "This is what the LORD says: Cursed is the one who trusts in man )
An apostate is one who turns away from God. Leaving a religion doesn't necessarily mean a person is turning his back on God. Perhaps they are being called by God's own voice to walk with him. To step out of the boat and trust Him.
I think it’s very normal to be angry at the organization for robbing ppl of a normal/free existence. A lot of them have given the majority of their lives to a religion that promised them the best life. Once ppl wake up to the atrocities that this religion commits or in other cases they are cast out from the only support system they know, of course there will be anger. It is a common grieving process that more than likely won’t last forever.
Reasons to be angry??? I have plenty. When I was 16 and I made it clear that I was not interested in being a JW, the elders told my dad that either I had to be a jw because when i was born both of my parents were baptized or if I chose not to be he had to kick me out of the house. When my dad passed away, they made a horrible situation way worse by judging me and criticized me in my dad's wake. My dad left my siblings, and I a life insurance policy. He told me that my brother was the beneficiary and that he was instructed to split the money on equal share among the three of us, and when my dad died, my brother kept all the money saying that the money was all his as a reward from my dad for being the only one who stayed in the "Truth".
Are you still an apostate if you leave to follow Jesus? - the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE… lol It really just shows how unloving & hurtful this organization really is. My heart breaks for all those lives lost 😢
My wife and I are apostates. She just died on New years day. The organization and especially my family and her family brought her to her not wanting to live anymore. She didn't commit suicide, she gave up the will to live. To anyone who is doubting the Jehovah's witnesses teachings. Not one family member that's a witness said sorry for your loss. Get out of this wicked organization.
Given the “love” of a JW “Family” is conditional, judgmental and based on a culture of denouncing and sneaking you’d be being off with no family but true friend on the outside.
It really should be what God‘s word actually says. God’s word is strict, But is doable. We know from what’s written there that he doesn’t tolerate all kinds of behaviours and attitudes. It’s written “Keep on the watch. “Make sure “” Do your utmost “ separate yourself “ About our conduct and speech. “No part of the world “ Unity. “All speak in agreement “ preaching about the kingdom and God’s Name is impotent, As Jesus said. So it really depends on whether we want to be obedient to God’s word Or Not. In general other Christian’s have chosen Not to. Only wishy-washy by saying Jesus saves, hallelujah praise the Lord that kind of thing.
Im not an apostate because i believe in the Bible still. I realise who the apostates are and its the gov body. People are angry becauae they have been misled for many years and have wasted their life believing the lies.
So did you leave the JWS and join another religion? Because that’s what an Apostate is and not someone who gets disfellowshipped. When I joined the JWS, I was a catholic so while I was a JW I was an apostate. About 90% of JWS came from another religion so that makes them apostates. So if you leave the JWS and Don’t join another religion, you are not an apostate.
I Don’t know where You heard that. As long as you reject the GB your an apostate. Even if you don’t have another religion. If you ask any JWs anything negative about the GB your labeled an apostate
Respectfully, to be say an apostate is "angry" for views is very offensive to me. I shared my story on another exjw channel. People have lost family and friends because of shunning. I attempted suicide and others have taken their lives because of it. There are legit reasons for people to be angry with this cult. Not to mention the lies the cult gives to frame the "angry apostate" narrative. This cult has completely altered people's lives. A video is a few minutes of their life, but the damage they live with is a daily struggle. To say I hate this cult would be kind. It has forever broken my familial bonds. My only child has no relationships with her jw cousins. The impact is generational. The anger is justifiably REAL and not for views.
I'm both disfellowshipped and apostate. I'm not angry or bitter about the 40+ years spent as a baptized JW. It's what I believed; when I stopped believing, got out That's just me, though. I have been out for about 15 years now, and I find that JWs treated me very well in comparison to the general population. I have no complaints about JWs.
as i jw, my expierence is not like yours. I have multiple family members that chose to stop being a jw. We have very good contact and we respect each others choices, as i would for any person. I think i can speak for most jws when i say that we dont believe exjw's will be ''killed'' during armageddon. judging another person is not something for us to do. I pray for everyone who has had a bad expierence being shunned, or have had a fear of shunning. Try to be a good person and keep in mind jesus is always watching these people. It is not through religion that we are saved, but by being a good person and following christs footsteps
That's an easy one it must be so frustrating to see all your efforts to destroy a hated enemy are for nothing. To see that hated a enemy not only withstand your attacks but continue to prosper, to grow despite your violence, your shameless lies, and every other kind of chacanery you can muster.
“Something similar could happen if a person commented on apostate computer blogs or social media. Anyone who would welcome an apostate with a greeting would become "a sharer in his wicked works.” You’re not supposed to be here!!! 😂
JWs are not our enemies. They are victims. They just don't know it. They are like Scientologists. Running around cluelessly recruiting people into a cult. I don't hate you. I hate religion because it's all false. JWs especially. They've literally killed people with false teachings. It's no contest. If that wasn't enough the cult covers up child abuse. Not enough how about Falsely predicts Armageddon. Nothing redeems JWs. Nothing. It will always been wrong.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849”Something similar could happen if a person commented on apostate computer blogs or social media. Anyone who would welcome an apostate with a greeting would become "a sharer in his wicked works.” You’re not supposed to be here! 😂
That’s likely because doing videos like this is probably nerve wracking, after he has suffered so much loss. I think it is a sign of his genuineness and sincerity. Which makes it endearing. How about you not being so inconsiderate.
Being born into this cult and then shunned and left without anything or any family at all - it was horrific. So sorry for being angry 😠
This is huge! You had a reason to be angry
Yes. You should be angry, then feel sorry for stuck inside too scared to leave and living miserable half lives
No need to apologize. You have every reason to be angry.
exactly this!
Amen man. Not to mention losing your childhood, your potential, your mental health etc... All for bullshit spouted by some old dudes in New York. Ya I'm a little angry.
i was really worried after your last video that you were signing off for a long time. so happy to see some more from you, you speak so clearly and logically. i have been saving all your videos for future reference
For me, i was angry because family and People in the Congregation would defend the elders with generic comments like; "you need to understand nobody is perfect" to which i respond "would you or the elders accept that as an excuse if i am taken in the backroom if we did something wrong and just say, well, nobody is perfect" No, they would drill you and harass you until you obey and show repentance, but the same rules do not apply to the elders, they act inappropriately because they cannot think for themselves and just do what the GB tell them in their hidden elders book as you demonstrated in your video and experience.
Your so right,great point. They are total hypocrites. Also a "worldly" person or even a priest could do something the Elders do to people and they would judge them as wicked or under satan's control.
The double standards they have are wild!
The elder arrangement is evil. It is a designated place to give nobody's power and authority over people. And boy don't they wield it?
Hi Caleb, I have been excluded for 2.5 years now, the biggest frustration is that I no longer see my children and parents, the rest can be stolen from me. The biggest advantage is that I can now really study and my world has really opened up. Only now you know that a lot of precious time has been lost, now I know who really is who Jehovah.
And that after 55 years.
Jehovah, Jesus and all the other things that christian doctrine teaching is important and relevant to anyone who is seeking God and his will for their lives. This is why it is important after 55 years or 73 years like myself. Wasn't a JW but everyone has to reconcile their lives to their belief in a good and merciful God and his power and the evilness of this world.
finding out you were lied to your whole life and the reward is potentially losing relationships, yep that’ll do it. takes a while to get past that angry stage
Don’t forget one very important point: yes, we were lied to, but not from sincere JW’s, but from the org. Never forget that. Most JW’s are sincere.
@@ckelly5141from my experience JW’s are not sincere. They are part of the problem.
@@ckelly5141 Yes they are but they are also in denial and refuse to open their eyes. Like many in Nazi Germany who knew what was going on, yet they went along with it blindly.
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absolutely, it’s the judgemental aspect that gets touchy but for the most part rank and file JWs are clueless that they are also victims
Caleb. Thanks for these broadcasts. You really do help a lot of people.
One time when I was Special Pioneering in a foreign land I came home to visit my mother for two weeks. When I got home I got calls from all the JW's I knew and even went out on the ministry with them. In reality I couldn't wait to meet up with the JW's. After the two weeks was over I was about to leave to take the plane back to my foreign assignment and my mother was crying. I said to her "Don't cry, I will be back again next year". She looked at me and said "It makes no difference. You've been here two weeks but I have not spent anytime with you. You used the house as a place to put your suitcase and sleep and you were off with your Jehovah's Witness friends". I felt a pang of guilt but at the same time in my mind I justified it by thinking, "I spent time with my real family". I was horrible. I realize now what a vile person I was as a JW. I had an occasion where I worked before going to a foreign assignment. I was a regular pioneer and a guy where I worked asked me if I would go and have a drink with him. I said "I don't make friends with people in the world".
I remember meeting an exJW and they said "My life has been far better since I stopped going. I have found peace and happiness". My answer? "Yes because now you're doing Satans will and he will leave you alone. Why attack you when he's already won and got you"? I am so ashamed now of the way I treated people. I thought I was "Being loyal to Jehovah" when in actual fact I was treating people horribly. Nothing like Jesus at all.
That is how we were taught to be: don't make friends with the world, and we were told our real family is our spiritual family. I shunned my sister for 40 years. That's really disgusting. We all did things we are ashamed of when we were in the cult. Certainly we weren't following Christ's example.
you could have treated people with respect and be more tactful. i never weanted to be a jw because of how rude they are, i have a family full of them, disgusting cruel behaviour
Nice to hear 🙏🏼
I really appreciate your demeanor and approach. I’ve just left in the last year as well. I was married to a very Narcissisticly abusive man , as I’m sure you know, I got no support there except from my family . They saw him for what he was but none of them live near me. There are quite a few situations similar to mine. One was also very physically abused, but when she left her husband who may have been a reg pioneer for a while, she was mistreated. We spend our time trying to show we didn’t leave them for another man, we aren’t just crazy over sensitive women, we love Jehovah. But still we are punished while our abusers are rewarded. My husband was not removed nor did he step down. In fact they gave him an Assembly talk. The other girl, her parents were removed of their positions when they let her move in with them for a while and now her ex has been made a MS. We’ve both left, I no longer believe it. I’m not DFed or “Removed , but I’m am now remarrying. My family is voluntarily Shunning me. Well I’m getting married in a church, so you know, I’m an apostate. lol.
When I first was leaving and finally looked at some “Apostate” channels, I really tried to make sure they weren’t mocking or angry. I have realized though that following these legal cases going on around the world and watching Geoffrey Jackson give testimony is Apparently watching apostate stuff. Lol. I really wonder if they think about what they’re saying sometimes.
Anyway. I appreciate your videos. True Brotherly Love to your family.
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Thank you for your great videos you are really helping people, please don't let any negative comments from one's stop you, I noticed someone talked about your laugh, seriously how really nitpicky can someone be. I love the way you talk as you sound very sincere and I appreciate that so much.
I came from a very dysfunctional family raised around the Jehovah's witnesses, being my family was so crazy I clung to the religion like a lifeline.
I pioneered lived on nothing, married and elder served where the need was great in a small town of about 3,000 people.
The number one cash crop of that area was marijuana before it was legal. The people in that area had their own security systems which included shotguns and attack dogs. They definitely didn't want Jehovah's witnesses there as they were afraid we would turn them in. I've had guns pointed at me, walked back to my car with a rifle pointed in my back, and was bitten seven times. We were putting 40,000 mi a year on our car driving 300 to 400 miles a day. I never saw my husband, he was always gone being an elder. I was beyond depressed. I Finally broke down and told the CO how much I was losing it. Without missing a beat the CO totally rebuked me telling me I was being selfish that Jehovah was using my husband, that was why we had been assigned there. That I would have my husband in the new system very soon. It shut me up but didn't help me a bit 😔
We went to Bethel, took a vow of poverty and helped to build the real estate empire.
The whole time I was so depressed and so sad. I hated my life. Everyday I begged Jehovah to please let something change, nothing ever did. It was always told to me, 'this is not the real life', you need to wait to enjoy life in the new system.
I gave up so much, for what? Then I found out about the CSA problem. It was right in the hall I was attending. I was told by a CO that I had to take a child molester in service in my car because my husband was an elder. To quote the CO 'I needed to get my head on straight,' over it.
I lost it. All that I went through boiled down to this. My husband was deleted as an elder because I wasn't in subjection enough.
At about this time, I was listening to Clark Howard on the radio and mentioned a blog by Mr. Money Mustache and at the same time I found in a little library in my town a book called your money or your life.
It was a total game changer for me. I had always thought I was crazy because I am a saver. Telling me not to save is like telling me not to breathe. That was what made me so crazy pioneering, was all the wasted money just burning gas for nothing.
I was always shamed and rebuked, put down, told I didn't have enough faith, that I was relying on myself, all I needed to do was pray and Jehovah would give me everything I needed. The thing was it wasn't happening. I was beyond depressed, praying was not working.
There was a sister in the hall that when she was a child she was in Germany during world war II. She remembered people actually throwing money in the street because it had been devalued so much. She was always held up to me as an example of what I was going to do with my savings.
Finding the FIRE community, I realized there were a ton of other people who saw and felt like I did I wasn't crazy.
Yes I am bitter now. I spent my life living someone else's dreams and ideas of what my life should be. I was promised everlasting life. The CSA problem finally woke me up. There is no other life. This is our one chance. The stupid saying best life ever, was insane.
So yes I am bitter when I think if I had just followed my heart, my gut, my instincts. I would be in a totally different place in my life.
I know I can't go back and change anything, I know being bitter only hurts myself. I know that, but it's a process working through this.
I honestly don't think anyone who wakes up is ever really okay. It's just extremely painful.😢
I like to say that it takes a crazy person to not notice a crazy world. Your sanity allowed you to eventually and correctly process the craziness you saw through a very cloudy pink lens that's freely given to every jw.
I deeply feel for all you've certainty suffered in that harmfully insane world, may your peace and healing increase every day.
WOW! Thanks for sharing your story. Just surround yourself with people who TRULY love you. Fellow saver here.😊 Thanks again.
So sorry for the pain and depression you endured. I too am a saver, and when I saw how much of our donated money was going to pay victims of CSA in the courts, I never gave them another dime. If the org had just done what was right, the victims would feel like they were protected, and not feel the need to sue Watchtower. It truly is a disgusting religion. Glad you found your freedom.
Wow! Your story is so touching - and extremely important! I hope you will tell it one day bcz I know there's so much more that doesn't fit neatly into a UA-cam comment. Big hugs 🫂 to you for your bravery! Someone like you leaving gives me hope that one day, maybe my mom and sister will see this religion for what it really is! Much love ❤️
Being angry, when it's justifiable, is a normal response mechanism and part of the process of a very long journey for some, as the healing and rebalancing of so much loss and grief and ultimate betrayal continues with the ripple effects of emotional trauma...It's OK to be Angry...If you skip that step in your healing journey, you'll build up resentment instead, and that my friend will eat you quicker than any cancer ever has...There is a time for everything...Anger wont go away until you release it...Much Love to all those who have escaped and those that continue ongoing support thru the use of their individualized channels, Exposing the Deceit, Manipulation and Lies of the Worldwide Watchtower Organisation...
So glad you are still making your videos. Love your info and your delivery style..especially you're random chuckles!
Very worthwhile 😊and helping many i am sure . Personally I am watching from Australia and have really enjoyed them . Was rewarded this week with a visit from a friend and so enjoyed having spiritual discussions. Being a senior and alone except from some other encouragement isn't easy. Was in for 80 yrs left 2020. Very happy. Many blessings to you 🙏 and your family ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Great video! I wish I would’ve had this information when I left 20 years ago. Thank you fellow apostate!
8:40 I tried to leave quietly. Unfortunately the elders pushed me too far. And by "too far", I mean that I refused to speak to them, they had no proof of anything, let alone '2 witnesses', and disfellowshipped me without my knowledge.
I've listened to all of your videos with an open mind. No chit chat, no cartoons, no ocean scenes, no middle aged man with a 16 years teenage haircut, no perfect or messy book shelves...you understand, I understand and thank you.
its simply Gaslighting... being a JW, (being constantly deceived) can evoke healthy anger when they realise the "truth" is in fact NOT the truth..
Great video! Thank you for your balanced approach in trying to understand people from all sides. Trying to look at things without emotional bias and trying to get to the root problems and focus on the facts is important.
The two JW I talk to outside the gym won't even acknowledge apostates to me. The irony is that apostates are far more vocal and a general problem to the organisation than us 'worldly' people.
Another amazing video, shared in such a fair & caring way!
Thank you, Caleb
Thank u for ur input! I agree wholeheartedly with ur take on life itself! I’m glad ur not bitter.
Wow nice to see you have posted it’s been awhile ❤hope you and your family are enjoying your life to the fullest now👍
Your calm and peaceful demeanor is refreshing, despite the hurt and turmoil you've gone through leaving the cult, you are processing it well.
Have you noticed how bitter and angry most JW's are that comment on ex JW videos? I haven't seen it yet on yours, but they are abusive, name calling, not showing any traits of a Christian at all. Which makes me even more happy that I am out!!
thank u for continuing to post. ur videos are so good and we all really appreciate it!!!
As if these matters aren’t convoluted and challenging enough I’ve found through my own experiences and struggles having been a fresh active JW, a disillusioned and confused JW feeling pressed between a rock and a hard place, a bitter disfellowshipped JW and now for almost 20 years a reinstated but totally inactive JW (I jumped through the hoops, got ‘reinstated’, and after the meeting where my reinstatement was announced never went back) that one of the biggest challenges has been to resist the tendency to become like the very thing I grew to loath.
I have found that in my efforts to make plain why I left the Org I was exhibiting much of the same behaviors that turned me off as an active Witness.
It is difficult to remain silent when angry or hurt and feeling alone in your struggles. Engagement with your ‘enemies’ gives you some of your power back but ultimately just keeps you in place rather than freeing you.
Please, I don’t want to sound preachy, it’s just that Caleb knows what he’s talking about and seems to be doing a good job of dealing with the Hatfields without becoming a McCoy.
I like these Videos. If you keep making them, it would be awesome to see some stories or examples that show just how man made the whole elder arrangement is.
Stories of nepotism or favoritism. Things like that show how holy Spirit is not involved. That would be a great video. Give us the nitty gritty on how holy spirit is not involved in the congregation, or in selection.
Being a jw, being taught elders were spirit appointed put the fear of GOD into jws. Do not question the elders! Give us deets without details. Lol
Ty caleb
Well said. Thanks for the video. 😊
Raymond Franz may have been humble, but Crises of Conscience was written to appear he had humility, and overall Raymond was a very Humble man if you knew him. I was there to listen to him in person and hold Raymond as a very hard worker in the Organization, one of the hardest working Brother's I ever seen is Raymond! But I would not say Crises of Conscience is an example of himility because it truly exposes the GB of Watchtower! Yet as brother Raymond was among the most humble person I knew!
I spent like 10 weeks going over a little course booklet with Jehovah's witnesses, and this video was pretty on point as far as who they are trying to appeal to and the promises they make.
Fourth generation my sons (oldest two) were fifth generation and thankfully they’ve both woken up too. It’s frustrating because my highly educated parents saw all the Freemasonry all the occultism in the older publications and they still let us get baptized. Now that’s pretty much hidden with Kingdom Hal libraries being destroyed and nothing available prior to 1950 online. But I got baptized in 1977 as a 13-year-old. Two years after stay alive till 75. so it’s a gut punch to realize that everything I had thought was so true wasn’t. It does created identity crisis. However, if I hadn’t had so many accumulative experiences with Pharisees in sheep clothing, I wouldn’t have woken up. I have so much more compassion now for the angels had had to grab Lot and his family by the hand and yank them out of Sodom. Most of us have PTSD and I’m sure he did too from when he had been kidnapped by the Caldean and his uncle had to rescue him so the city gates. So I am grateful for what has taught me compassion and wisdom and insight. I’m very grateful for the life. I have now on my wonderful kids and husband, but I don’t appreciate being lied to and stolen from all those years, especially the stolen trust.
The Jehovah's Witness religion is like the song Hotel California ... You can check in, but you can't check out ...
when u leave jw, it is very traumatic bc u are not just leaving a religion, you are leaving ur family and entire support network.. so it is a huge loss... as with any loss, you go thru the grieving process and anger is one of the natural stages so it is entirely natural to be angry at some point..and everyone goes thru the grieving process at different rates.. the key is to not get stuck in any one stage, but to process through each stage to reach the final stage which is acceptance... and it is only once u process thru this entire process that healing can take place and one can truly move on.. i was in the angry and bitter stage for quite sometime and i wanted to scream what i knew to the masses as if to warn everyone and shake those that were still in to their senses..but alas, i learned it is not my job to shake anyone..it is my job to process thru my own emotions and heal.. the ex jw community was so very important to my healing because hearing what others went thru and how similar all of our stories truly are is so validating and comforting...i am so grateful to anyone who shares their story and insights as different methods resonate with different people.. The real angry swearing bitter voices personally did not appeal to me.. i appreciated those that were rational and those that shared good truthful information with a calm spirit..I must say that leaving this religion was one of the best decisions my husband and i ever made, but it was also the hardest decision because of all the risks involved..our mantra became truth at the helm, and hence truth over tribe.. you cannot live an authentic life without truth.. Today there are many who believe that truth is subjective but personally i believe there is objective truth tha it is so worth the pursuit....peace and love to all
Great presentation C.🙏
Tks from Brazil ❤
Thanks for videos
Probably because I wasted the first 25 years of my life on pointless worship, and the next 25 years waiting for Armageddon to destroy before waking up to the lies.
Thank You for your help and time 🙂💖🙏🏾🙏🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾👍🏽🤝🏾
Caleb you a legend my brother, keep the updates going.. Proud of you
I knew one who threatened filing a lawsuit for slander if they're name was announced. What happened is my friend was "invited" to a committee to address accusations brought against him. The evidence would be presented at the kingdom hall. Apparently he repeated some things that were brought out in our local paper and was accused of looking at Apostate websites (i think someone snitched).
He replied with a cease and desist letter from an attorney because they were calling and calling and arrived at his house unannounced (harassment).
Well they backed off and i guess never announced his name but people love to gossip. He was deciding to fade after that and got a call from his relative "Do you believe the GB is gods channel?". Yes or no answer and it seems that's a tactic used to break families apart. I guess if they don't get you on the platform directly, they'll try getting to your friends and family.
👋🏼Thanks for your accurate perspective and complete truth on this subject.💙👍🏼
GB should Give back my childhood life they stole all for a lie and causing so much separation in my family
They can’t. All we can do is move on and discover the real God and Christ apart from churchianity. This is the real purpose of our life.
I think we need to start a group legal movement against them, and let everyone who have the same experience join in, a single person won’t be able to do this
@@Whatsnexttex Yeah but our py enforced in my case my Mother but she was indoctrinated to the point of no return .So you would have to proof in court all those factors that screwed your life up every teacher ,every elder every parent and the gb
@@Whatsnexttex How much of your life would you be willing to invest in this to possibly receive some kind of justice?
They ruined our families! We just want our families back.
Where it steps into dangerous territory is where their total shunning of you ends up becoming unlawful, in my case as a non-JW I was named by my JW father to be a joint co-excutor in his last will and testament. My JW mother and my JW sister were named also as joint co-executors. For 18 months now they have completely shunned me from being able to carry out my fiduciary duty according to law. Not once have they cooperated.
They jointly acted together to completely exclude me from being able to carry out my executor role simply because I am a non-witness. They performed the entire estate administration from day one without seeking out my approval or consent. The matter is back in court again this week. Executor misconduct, perjury, perverting the course of justice, wasting police time are just some of the crimes my JW family members are guilty of as they lie constantly to the authorities to cover their tracks and do their best to stop an investigation into these matters from taking place.
I will not let it go. I am absolutely determined to bring them to account for their illegal actions.
He’s baaack!! 🎉
Born in and escaped at 17. I’m so fortunate that I managed an education and independence. But how do you ever overcome loosing your birth family and childhood friends? And the shock when you wake up and realise that we’re a punching bag for abuse and that your needs were always secondary to the gb. Just yuck!!!!
When i was JW apostates were pretty much the evil slave class, Russellites. I remember only one disturbance at a convention, a woman approached the stage yelling something. When i began questioning JW beliefs i mentioned a couple of things to my best friends, particularly the 607 thing, and they joked to me that i was going apostate. Little did they know at the time they'd have to never speak to me again. One of them actually met me for lunch like 6 years after i got df'd. It wasn't even awkward but we didn't talk about JW stuff or even stuff from our past, it was just like yo what up you work for FedEx now? I found his file at the tax office i went to one day by accident. He had started his own delivery company and had massive back taxes and his bank statements showed he had very little money, but he was able to go out for a $120 dinner every week. I wonder if his attitude was the same as mine way back in the day "screw it, new system is coming, who cares if i lose my house I'll eventually be ok." Anyway nobody in my JW family ever shunned me and Dad talked about the Bible and theology with me all the time. I was one of the few lucky ones.
I am happy - I left 45 years ago. Now I am ok, retired, live in a nice country and have no financial problems. But it took time to forgive my mother (she threw me out after I was disfelloshipped being 18 year old). I am sometimes angry about three facts: CSA, shunning (which nearly cost me my life) and the rule of minimal education. I wonder, when the last group will wake up. As well, there are some nice JWs and I hope for them, they find their way out. Today I am a simple Christian.
as a side line what happens when we die
Nobody ever came back and told us 😁
Its hard not to be angry when you realise youve been lied to your whole life.
Anger is a healthy emotion and it leads to boundary setting. We were socialized by WT to believe anger is only a negative emotion unless it’s righteous indignation expressed for WT purposes but the reality is anger is a necessary and healthy feeling when we process it and use it to understand where it’s coming from.
I remind my sister, who was an active catholic for many years, that if anyone is an apostate it’s her now that she has abandoned her former faith and is trying to get other Catholics to follow her new belief system as a JW. I, as an atheist, am not encouraging anyone to follow any other religion. But the irony is lost on her.
Just to add something that I was thinking about.. Scientology church and the JW cult have the exact same rules.. If you leave you shunned and deemd an apostate. But yet the JW'S are suppose to be different from the world but they apply the same rules as scientology,but they can't see it 😂😂😂. I'm so glad I'm out...
I love hearing them talk about "aPosTaTes." How do they know so much about them, if they dont associate with them at all? 😂
Part of the problem has to do with the very definition of "apostate". The dictionary simply defines it as "a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc." That's it. But the organization has always been between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the correct definition, because of the very real probability that allowing those still inside to associate with apostates in any way, shape or form will wake them up and remove the blinders. So they have to bastardize and twist the definition by defining apostates as evil and mentally diseased. (I had mental images of nightmarish versions of humans when I was growing up in the religion). After spending half a lifetime before getting out though, yes, there's anger and bitterness about wasting all that precious time you'll never get back. You don't get over that quickly. But in the end I'm still just someone who has forsaken my religion, nothing more.
You brushed over an important point btw. Saying how the emotional trauma can be so extreme for a lot of former JWs that some of them do not make it. Not pointing fingers at you for not elaborating on this point, for labouring the issue as this is not the point of your video but it is a point which needs to be addressed. The rate of suicide among ex members of the Jehovah's Witnesses is actually very high.
Many former members will testify to the fact that they know of at least one or two or more, who unable to cope with the trauma of being shunned completely have committed suicide because they could no longer cope with this extreme form of psychological torture and emotional abuse. It is absolutely vile what the jehovah's Witnesses do to former members who they accuse of committing a sin, often without lawful evidence, through their kangaroo court system / the judicial committee elder process. Many of these JW elders in my opinion have the blood of many innocent members of the public on their hands. I personally see it as a form of murder by design because they must know the emotional damage they are inflicting on people without a conscience for their cruel actions.
Such is the emotional trauma many exJWs go through that of those who do not commit suicide are instead left with deep psychological scarring as a result of the emotional abuse heaped upon them by members of the Jehovah's Witness community and in turn many of these people suffer for years, in some cases all alone in a world which by and large does not understand the issues involved. What the Jehovah's Witnesses do is cruel beyond measure. They are the instigators of this cruelty. They not only teach it as a part of their cult based fear programming but actually enact it too knowing full well the victims of their abuse will be left completely on their own with nobody to turn to for help and advice to help get them through their ordeal.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are just thoroughly nasty people beneath their glossy fake 'kingdom' smiles, akin to smiling assassins who pretend there is nothing wrong and no harm caused by their utterly abhorrent behaviour. By their fruits you shall know them springs to mind. They are as far removed from real Christianity as it is possible to be. Their behaviour far from being loving, kind and merciful is to all intents and purposes like that of a whitewashed grave all white and clean as fresh snow on the outside, but inside full of rotting dead men's bones. Their behaviour is satanic, the very opposite of how Jesus instructed us to behave towards one another.
We r a very bc we woke up and realized we were lied to!!! Plus u can’t leave wo punishment
At least you woke up. Imagine if you never woke up in your whole life?
Appress enough people for long enough & they will talk, start support groups & resistance groups to help & warn others. I was born in & abused my whole life & are now shunned just because I dare to have a different view than them Im angry & understand compleatly why others are. Noone likes being abused!!!
It's obvious that when you put your trust in someone and are deceived you get angry at the situation that's why Jesus warns us about the trust in men Jeremiah 17:5 says, "This is what the LORD says: Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the LORD". ( "This is what the LORD says: Cursed is the one who trusts in man )
An apostate is one who turns away from God. Leaving a religion doesn't necessarily mean a person is turning his back on God. Perhaps they are being called by God's own voice to walk with him. To step out of the boat and trust Him.
Great comment!✅
Genau so sehe ich es Gott hat mich zu Christus gezogen.
Bin jetzt froh keine Angst mehr vor irgendwas zu haben. ❤
the org/gb preach humble calm and love your neighbour....what do they do if angry--they take you to court
Jesus brother didn’t believe he was the messiah but Jesus didn’t stop bothering with him
I think it’s very normal to be angry at the organization for robbing ppl of a normal/free existence. A lot of them have given the majority of their lives to a religion that promised them the best life. Once ppl wake up to the atrocities that this religion commits or in other cases they are cast out from the only support system they know, of course there will be anger. It is a common grieving process that more than likely won’t last forever.
Dad bod? Can't tell from shoulders up. Anyhoo, good vids!
Reasons to be angry??? I have plenty. When I was 16 and I made it clear that I was not interested in being a JW, the elders told my dad that either I had to be a jw because when i was born both of my parents were baptized or if I chose not to be he had to kick me out of the house.
When my dad passed away, they made a horrible situation way worse by judging me and criticized me in my dad's wake.
My dad left my siblings, and I a life insurance policy. He told me that my brother was the beneficiary and that he was instructed to split the money on equal share among the three of us, and when my dad died, my brother kept all the money saying that the money was all his as a reward from my dad for being the only one who stayed in the "Truth".
Wow, that's cruel. If your dad had a will, you can contest what your brother did and get your fair share.
Are you still an apostate if you leave to follow Jesus? - the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE… lol
It really just shows how unloving & hurtful this organization really is. My heart breaks for all those lives lost 😢
My wife and I are apostates. She just died on New years day. The organization and especially my family and her family brought her to her not wanting to live anymore. She didn't commit suicide, she gave up the will to live. To anyone who is doubting the Jehovah's witnesses teachings. Not one family member that's a witness said sorry for your loss. Get out of this wicked organization.
Given the “love” of a JW “Family” is conditional, judgmental and based on a culture of denouncing and sneaking you’d be being off with no family but true friend on the outside.
You are such a cute, bald man. I wish I could hang out with you and hear your experiences 😊
It really should be what God‘s word actually says. God’s word is strict, But is doable. We know from what’s written there that he doesn’t tolerate all kinds of behaviours and attitudes. It’s written “Keep on the watch. “Make sure “” Do your utmost “ separate yourself “ About our conduct and speech. “No part of the world “ Unity. “All speak in agreement “ preaching about the kingdom and God’s Name is impotent, As Jesus said. So it really depends on whether we want to be obedient to God’s word Or Not.
In general other Christian’s have chosen Not to. Only wishy-washy by saying Jesus saves, hallelujah praise the Lord that kind of thing.
Caleb..are you an Apostate?
Caleb..are you angry?
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🎉 Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😊
He called himself one and seems happy. Lol
Im not an apostate because i believe in the Bible still. I realise who the apostates are and its the gov body. People are angry becauae they have been misled for many years and have wasted their life believing the lies.
So did you leave the JWS and join another religion? Because that’s what an Apostate is and not someone who gets disfellowshipped. When I joined the JWS, I was a catholic so while I was a JW I was an apostate. About 90% of JWS came from another religion so that makes them apostates. So if you leave the JWS and Don’t join another religion, you are not an apostate.
I Don’t know where
You heard that. As long as you reject the GB your an apostate.
Even if you don’t have another religion. If you ask any JWs anything negative about the GB your labeled an apostate
@ Look up the definition for Apostate…
I wasn’t in another Religion before it
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@@KingoftheNorth56if you don’t trust the Governing body they still treat you like it they were the same with me too
Respectfully, to be say an apostate is "angry" for views is very offensive to me. I shared my story on another exjw channel. People have lost family and friends because of shunning. I attempted suicide and others have taken their lives because of it. There are legit reasons for people to be angry with this cult. Not to mention the lies the cult gives to frame the "angry apostate" narrative. This cult has completely altered people's lives. A video is a few minutes of their life, but the damage they live with is a daily struggle. To say I hate this cult would be kind. It has forever broken my familial bonds. My only child has no relationships with her jw cousins. The impact is generational. The anger is justifiably REAL and not for views.
It really is a disgusting religion, there is nothing Christian about it!
Well I'm not really sure who you are and who you consider to be an apostate but I would consider anybody not walking in biblical Faith to be apostate.
It’s perfectly fine to be an apostate in the fallen church system, but quite another to be an apostate towards God and Christ.
So tired of trying to make Jehova happy, they come to enjoy trying to make him sad,😀.
I'm both disfellowshipped and apostate.
I'm not angry or bitter about the 40+ years spent as a baptized JW. It's what I believed; when I stopped believing, got out
That's just me, though.
I have been out for about 15 years now, and I find that JWs treated me very well in comparison to the general population. I have no complaints about JWs.
What ill founded theology - what can one expect? Poor theology, poor outcomes. This is not difficult 😊 - its obvious.
Jehovahs name endures foreverxxx
as i jw, my expierence is not like yours. I have multiple family members that chose to stop being a jw. We have very good contact and we respect each others choices, as i would for any person. I think i can speak for most jws when i say that we dont believe exjw's will be ''killed'' during armageddon. judging another person is not something for us to do.
I pray for everyone who has had a bad expierence being shunned, or have had a fear of shunning. Try to be a good person and keep in mind jesus is always watching these people. It is not through religion that we are saved, but by being a good person and following christs footsteps
That's an easy one it must be so frustrating to see all your efforts to destroy a hated enemy are for nothing. To see that hated a enemy not only withstand your attacks but continue to prosper, to grow despite your violence, your shameless lies, and every other kind of chacanery you can muster.
“Something similar could happen if a person commented on apostate computer blogs or social media. Anyone who would welcome an apostate with a greeting would become "a sharer in his wicked works.”
You’re not supposed to be here!!! 😂
@@96t5wagon your concern for theocratic order is touching but let me worry about that.
JWs are not our enemies. They are victims. They just don't know it. They are like Scientologists. Running around cluelessly recruiting people into a cult.
I don't hate you. I hate religion because it's all false. JWs especially. They've literally killed people with false teachings. It's no contest.
If that wasn't enough the cult covers up child abuse. Not enough how about Falsely predicts Armageddon. Nothing redeems JWs. Nothing. It will always been wrong.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849”Something similar could happen if a person commented on apostate computer blogs or social media. Anyone who would welcome an apostate with a greeting would become "a sharer in his wicked works.”
You’re not supposed to be here! 😂
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849I’m just happy you’re here to share in our wicked works 😊
I wish you didn't smile, laugh so much. It's distracting
Otherwise you are awesome.
I wish your photo didn't look like a Dork.
The nervous laugh is annoying. Did you do that on the KH platform?
Your ministry school overseer needs to be sacked.
Go away saddo
This comment was funny because I do the nervous laughing in real life. I’m annoying for sure 😂
Well…..not everyone is as perfect as you, don’tcha know? 🙄
That’s likely because doing videos like this is probably nerve wracking, after he has suffered so much loss. I think it is a sign of his genuineness and sincerity. Which makes it endearing. How about you not being so inconsiderate.
@@kjean8605 🤯 💥🙏