River Visitor Charged with Murder After Drunk Teenagers Harassed Him | Nicolae Miu Case Analysis
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I listened to the instigator of this event when he testified. He called a stranger a pedo, ramped up the accusations, involved another group of strangers, and then retreated to stand back and revel in the chaos he had created. He then filmed himself pretending to be shocked instead of trying to offer assistance. That is who should be on trial. Classic sociopath yelling fire in a theater.
Didn't he film the chaos and then took a selfie? True sociopath.
I completely agree…exactly what I thought!
Ok Boomer 😂
Wrong. Watch the entire thing. Nik , maybe jokingly, said I am looking for little girls, according to many witnesses. He could have walked away. I have been down that rive many times tubing. so I know how shallow it is there) That man rushed the group,, he instigated, never said a word with a crazy blank stare, could have left, and if scared, could have showed his knife and said "I will defend myself". No, he hid it and went on a stabbing spree.
@@WoodyWard Great rebuttal there, champ
If you don't discipline your children, someone else will.
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There's no hate like christian love
That is one way to think about it. It’s a very sad situation. Sending love and strength to all who were impacted. ❤️
They all acted like children... 99.9 percent of the population does... When has deadly force ever been acceptable for kids acting like kids?
If he was in real fear for his life he would not have changed his cloths and tried to lie about what happened... You dont hold a knife blade up unless you are trying to kill... Never did he say he was armed or tell anyone to get back. He never even told his own group he was scared.
The issue is none of you know what a fight really is... This wasn't even a skuffle how does this constitute deadly force?
If it did why lie like he did?
Never seen an incident that has so many people on the wrong side of truth
It's always like this, this man is just lucky it was filmed. Group behavior can be very disgusting if there is an easy target especially if it's a masculine man.
@@orion9k ....and he was a shell of the man he used to be, having had that bypass surgery. I doubt he was in shape enough to take one ONE of those thugs, never mind a dozen of them. I sure hope an appeal gets filed soon.
I saw all the videos of these young people on the witness stand and every time I thought that hopefully no such people will ever move into my neighbourhood. Their initial stories were all proven wrong by the video and they tried to evade telling the truth as best they could. The video with sound shows clearly how they enjoyed tormenting the man for sadistic pleasure, as drunk and drugged cowards do.
Exactly. They all literally committed perjury. Not to mention changing their stories twice. It's disgusting really.
Nic was not fighting for his life! He was teased with words and used a knife to murder!
@@johnpatterson9037 What a dishonest set of lies you just spread. The men incited violence against him by shouting defamatory lies about him like claiming he was "looking for little girls". This did incite two women to go over to him. The women blocked and shouted at him without listening. They then assaulted and battered him on camera grabbing and pushing him several times. These men then shouted more lies about him and used them as an excuse to physically attack him. They pushed him down onto a rocky and gravelly river bed in a foot and a half of water. Easily enough to hold someone down in to drown. All while shouting even more lies
They immediately punched him in the face while he was helpless on the ground. When he tried save himself by standing he was attacked from behind by another man in this pack of laughing hyenas. That man pushed him down again (and even admitted to it on the witness stand that he was trying to keep him down). Of course, the victim would think he was in a life or death situations. He managed to get up and face the new assailant but was still being pushed.
He had a gang of 5 adult men attacking him simultaneously, joined in with a 17 year old. Harrassing him, attacking him physically with zero provocation.
He was merely looking for a cell phone and googles. A cell phone they pretended to have at the beginning to tease him.
It was only after all that they he stabbed the man who had just assaulted and battered him from behind.
@@26michaeluk don't be stupid
@@TheMike5232 I'm trying to keep other "kids" from being stupid. Nobody where I'm from plays with the word pedo and jumps men for a drunken adventure. Cause they'll be legally toe tagged. In any SYG state this man would've at most been charged with lying or obstruction.
A lot of young people these days seem to think they can just disrespect people with no consequences.
People have lost their filters for sure.
It's not just young people. People of all ages in America are acting like this. It's ridiculous.
Monkey see, monkey do. They have learned that it's okay to harass people from somewhere. The generations above them aren't necessarily any different from them.
A reflection of their poor upbringing. They got what they asked for.
A lot of old people these days seem to think they can play judge jury and executioner because their ego is wounded
Even when i was a teenager i hated other teenagers
I feel seen.
@@gyneve Ditto.
Same. I always thought they were morons.
THIS!!!
Yes! Teenagers & young adults (because they still act like teenagers) act like idiots in groups, esp if they are under the influence.
Why were these kids not arrested for gang assault?
....or better yet felony murder. I mean Issac Shewman lost his life during the group committing a felony( placing Mr Miu in immediate fear for his life). If anyone should have been charged with murder, it should have been the group that was assaulting Nick
Because in the USA society values the least important age group.
@@Vale10952
What in the sweet fresh hell are you trying to imply?
@@user-cf6tm8yh2hOnly a beta man out of shape in mind and body would see wealthy college nerds as threats. That's comical, real men punch like bricks, we have real job's in the Bronx disarming real thugs, gangsters that will kill over a look. You beta men fear everything, you fear words because they represent the truth. You can't even see that Miu started all of this, because you're a scared man or a woman.
@@TecTitan - There's no such thing as "sweet fresh hell". You're not "edgy", Suzy.
I find it interesting to pretend drunk teens would never commit violence
Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups
Drunk people at that. Mob mentality.
Dirty kids, find dirty man,
Kids die, get stabbed, man lives, goes to jail.
Pack mentality is a scary thing...
“But Democracy democracy democracy wait what are we protesting about again?”
It’s “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
When social media skills meet real life.
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Underrated comment.
Too many have been getting away with it for too long “saying whatever they want without risking getting punched in the mouth” through a touchscreen. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Pretty much
Meet a psychopath 💯
These punk young adults harassed him? This man was attacked by a pack of jackals. It's a disgrace that he is charged with first degree murder. He never went out that day with the intention of killing somebody. This is self-defense. How did he not know that they were not going to drown him?
No. The video exists. He walks into the river with a knife. That's attacking not defending period. There's literally no room to even argue anything else. You can say his feelings were hurt and you can say the teens were mean but he went after them period. Not even mildly similar to self defense.
@@kekkelsiini umm no lol. Also like I said he went to get the knife off shore. Which is attacking period. He left and came back to the situation.
I feel like a lot of you people don't realize how self defense law works 🤣
To be self defense you have to have no way out. You can't instigate a situation then attack somebody.
If you are instigating it's not longer self defense period. If these kids went to the shore and attacked him he might a got away with it. But he returned with a knife after having left the situation.
That's like if I go around on the street calling people names till somebody tries to fight me and I pull a gun. Id be going to prison 😂 and rightly so.
@@colonelradec5956he walked into the river with a knife is attacking? He’s allowed to carry a knife. He only took it out when he was being assaulted by a group of people.
@@ceeIoc no that's not how self defense law works lol even in Texas he wouldn't have gotten away with that 🤣 he want back to shore and got a knife.
If you don't see how that's provoking then that's on you lol. Cause to a jury and the law that's absolutely provoking. Same with common sense. He was able to leave and didn't. Instead retrieved a knife lol. Also most don't realize he attacked first.
If you claim self defense to win you have to prove that what you did was 100% necessary and you were afraid.
If at any time you can escape the incident and choose not too then your self defense claim is gone 😂
In Florida they have stand your ground but even in Florida if you got a chance to get away the courts gonna convict you.
Self defense is reserved for when your out of options. He had the option of walking away the entire time. He got closer to them multiple times. It took awhile for all this to happen.
So yes guilty. And I'd study self defense if you plan on defending yourself.
@@ceeIoc also he wasn't carrying a knife. He had no knife. Then went to shore to get it after arguing with them. That's not the same at all lol.
Many young adults disregard social etiquette and cry for help when they encounter consequences. Note how gentle they became when the cops showed up in true weasel fashion.
Yes unfortunately non of the young adults had a conceal and carry to end the threat. Deadly force meets deadly force. This old guy was a troll he had 2 chances to flee this so called self defense case. It's hilarious how many of you can justify deadly force against non deadly force. Use your head.
@@jacobrideout3214 A gun at a water activity? Sounds very beta. Too bad none of the sissies had enough testosterone to defeat a out of shape, pot bellied, old man one on one. Thanks for proving my point.
@@jacobrideout3214 Total nonsense. You are clearly as evil as these young men. The older man had a reason to be in the spot. He lost a cell phone and a snorkel at that exact position.
The kids had originally teased him by pretending they had the child's phone he was looking for. Which was why he originally jogged over to retrieve it. They pulled it away and caused him to fall in the water and lose his snorkel.
They were acting like evil bullies the entire time. Shouting false lies about him being a pedophile, continuously like a bunch of hyenas. When they floated 30 feet downstream they got off the raft and pulled it back upstream to harass him some more. They surrounded him, and called other people over to gang up on him together.
The appropriate action would have been to try an help him find the phone, and/or the googles, or to leave him the alone.
This is not a natural consequence of being an ahole. He left and CAME BACK to continue the fight. All this over a phone that was already in the river? Nope Nick is unhinged and was looking for a reason to hurt someone.
@@jacobrideout3214 Lol. Lay off the soy and stop fantasizing about being a school shooter. Please get some help.
This man felt threatened. I am 56 years old, and being surrounded by 13 people would scare me so badly! Especially if they were younger than me and drunk, taunting.
His group was nearby though. He went there twice.
@@normarojo5834 they blocked him from getting over to his group
and his health was not great.... he had had open heart surgery the year? before?
ur father failed you
@@trailrunner9254 years ago
Why wasn't the person who attempted to pull his bathing suit down charged with sexual assault? How is it possible that none of these teenagers got charged?
IKR
Because they're all being painted as innocent victims. Half of them aren't even teens! They're in their early 20's.
Because I think Nick made up that story.
Because there is no person who attempted to pull his bathing suit down.
@@BeautifulMeadow164How are you sure of that?
This whole thing is disgusting, the young adults should be charged.
Everyone wants to remain a child when being faced with the repercussions of their evil actions.
Did Miu claim he was a child when he was telling lies to police?
😂 who cares those punks lied to self defense @@fintan9218
well good thing one brat isn't around to hassle people anymore
Note to self... Avoid approaching all humans at all times.
No, you don't have to avoid everyone, just the loud and obnoxious ones. Or the super quiet ones who feel shady. I mean, you never really know who is dangerous, so... Yeah, avoid all humans.
My husband and I flew commercial recently, I told him before we left to not make eye contact with strangers.
It’s sad that things are so out of control right now. I don’t know what happened to people, but common courtesy seems to be a thing of the past.
@@dizzymindy6024 Not making eye contact with strangers almost makes you invisible in hostile situations. It works wonders.
Thanks for the advise!
@@dizzymindy6024 Exactly. You can't even look at some people without them going off.
I don’t think “cancel culture” is the correct buzzword to apply to this. This is just classic bullying
And murder
@@amyhankinson7017 Nope. Homicide.
i think he means he wants to say MORE. but would be cancelled. hes disgusted by the verdict. me too.
These brats everyone of them should be in prison! This man was surrounded by 13 of these evil kids.. it was self defense
I live a county over from where this happened. I was floored by the verdict. Small town/mob mentality in my opinion.
Those kids taunting-laughing really gives it away. They were never afraid of him.
They were afraid After he fought back…
Grande really put it into perspective when he referred to “typical highschool bullying”. Those kids were a bunch of intoxicated twats.
Because they didn't know they were dealing with someone willing to murder.
@@kitten88dm self defense isn’t murder. Murder is illegal premeditated homocide. At best what you’re suggesting is willing to commit manslaughter in the 1st.
@@kitten88dmi don’t believe it was simply willing. He didn’t go after people. He tried getting away. He didn’t go over to the group armed, he had not intended to kill.
I completely agree.
And on a side note:
How come the state saw no need whatsoever to charge the group for the illegal consumption of alcohol and other drugs, as well as for harassing, bullying, terrorizing and finally physically assaulting Mr. Miu?
And an expired inspection sticker!
Exactly
Nic already was the judge, jury and executioner.
I guess my question would be why was the man grabbing a woman by the head and hitting her and then I'll be in in a brawl they were adults. This whole thing makes me sick. It's just being in the wrong place and that poor mother that told her son no you go with your friends tubing instead of picking up your dad at the airport. Can you imagine living with that.
Its a 200$ fine, who gives a F really. A teenagers died because a man's ego was bruised. You people are ridiculous. Theres no such hate as Christian love.
In this society and culture you literally can not defend yourself legally without being labeled the aggressor.
Hahahhh you complete clown
bingo.
He was the aggressor… most of what todd says in this video are proven lies, he even shows video disproving what he is saying while he is saying it… all of you just are emotional about this case and refuse to look at it rationally
You get labeled the aggressor when you are the aggressor. Nicolae threw the first punch therefore he has no right to self defense
I was scammed online for thousands of dollars, in an attempt to try get my money back, I threatened him but he didnt care. First when I found his real identity on fbook a week later, he finally woke up to reality and paid back the money he had stolen. And then reported me to the police for threatening him. Police took me to court trying to put me 20 days i jail. Judge final words was that if I do anything illigal within the next year, I will go 20 days in jail. This is what socialism looks like in Denmark, you can't protect yourself against criminals and criminals are protected by the system.
Pack of wolves is the perfect description for these people. Now Mr. Miu is looking at the rest of his life in jail for being attacked by these trash bags. So sad.
pack of hienas i would say
More like a pack of hyenas.
Probably those teens have parents who are connected, ... judges, attorneys, police, gov officials.
He approached them, you delusional coward.
@@deadsolarsystem6298 lmfao
Moral of the story: Don't be a bully
The moral is when there are mouthy teens and you walk away stay away.
On the basis of a main principle: don't commit murder.
You can bully Westerners.
Slavic people are a bit different.
Well, some of my relatives look Slavic, but they are Persians/Aryans - Central Asia/Middle East.
The guys with blue eyes & blond hair & baby face, but all like Khabib.
* They all have a knife.
Morale is raise your kids as parents instead of trying to be "cool" friends with them
You can take the Romanian out of Romania… you know the rest.
The defense should have called someone like you to the stand. This clown court just railroaded a sickly man with no criminal record just because they could. It sickens me.
You can't bring a washed up psychologist who makes the same UA-cam video over and over onto the stand. Wouldn't meet the requirements the court has for an expert.
@@Skeletron1000 I said "someone like you," meaning an expert witness, you halfwit. Words mean things.
@@Skeletron1000 Words mean things. I said "someone like you," halfwit.
@@Skeletron1000 Finally someone on this thread with a brain lol
Thanks for your concern but the 2 kids that were on life support from their knife wounds are probably more 'sickly' and deserving of your sympathy, as unwarranted deadly force was used against them for nothing more than some verbal abuse and a minor shove.
He was surrounded, and assaulted. In one angle it appeared that someone had put pressure on the top of his head, preventing him from lifting his head above the water. This was Self Defense.
He also got choked and that's when he started defending himself with the knife. You can see it in the video.
Nope, watch the video. Better yet, watch the trial.
@@theinnerlight8016all the better reason to walk away…which he chose not to do…at several opportunities. Guilty.
@@alysecoleman2538 yup.
And I did. Over, and over again. And…
I am…
@@bluejava9397by the time he would’ve realised his life is in danger he couldn’t walk away? He had no reason to leave beforehand
This case reminds me of something that happened to me which could easily have gone South. I had walked down this trail to go to a swimming hole I had been too many times before. It wasn’t warm enough yet to swim but I liked going there just to chill and listen to music. It was midweek during the workday so there wasn’t really anyone else around. As I made my way down the trail I noticed a backpack along with some fishing gear leaning against a tree right next to the trail. When I looked down the thickly wooded hill to my left I could see some guy wading in the creek fishing. I figured the stuff was his and just kept heading down the trail without thinking much more about it.
I eventually got to my destination, threw on my headphones and just chilled out as planned. About ten minutes later I saw some guy walk out of the woodline with a fishing pole. I immediately recognized him as the fisherman and figured he was looking to drop a line in the swimming hole as its a pretty good spot. So I just gave him a small wave of acknowledgment and nodded my head. But he continued to walk towards me and I could tell he was saying something?
So I took out my ear buds. He was young guy about 25 with long curly hair and a muscular build. Looked like he definitely worked out. Thats when he spoke to me. He asked “Hey man. Did you happen to see a backpack and some fishing gear? I left it up in the woods and cant find it. Ive got all my stuff in there. My wallet and everything.” Immediately I didn’t like the energy that was coming off of him. His question was more accusatory than anything else. So I said yeah I saw it. I described exactly what I saw, that I saw him fishing, and that it was leaning against a tree right next to the trail. He kinda looked at me for a second and said “Cool. Thanks.” Then he walked off towards the trail. He came back about five minutes later only this time he’s much more animated. He says he couldn’t find it. So im thinking how could he not find it?? I mean its right there! Only a blind man could miss it! Now I could tell he’s convinced himself that I stole it. He starts giving me the third degree. Do you live around here? What’s your name? All that stuff. So now im getting pissed. Im out here just trying to enjoy my day. This trail and swimming hole is practically my backyard and I got this stupid absent minded guy basically accusing me if stealing his stuff. Keep in mind its just us in the middle of the woods and flip phones had only recently become a thing. I dont even think there were cell towers up in this area. So I had a choice. I could tell this guy to F off and risk getting into a fight or something worse. And judging by his physique I wouldn’t have had much of a chance without any weapon. Scenario two. He walks away cursing me and eventually calls the cops. Or scenario three which would cause me to swallow my pride and check my ego a bit and walk this dumb SOB to where his gear is. Ruining my otherwise chill day. I chose option three.
So I asked him how far down the trail he went to search? And it was obvious he didn’t go far enough. I told him to follow me and I’ll show him exactly where his stuff is. Sure enough after a very long, tense and silent walk there was his stuff exactly where I said. Leaning on that tree right next to the trail. He says, “Oh. Thanks.” No apology or anything. Thats when I told him in the future he should pay closer attention to where he leaves his stuff and not be so quick to judge and accuse people. Immediately he got defensive. “I didnt accuse you!! I didn’t accuse anyone! Where the Hell did you get that from!?” I said, “You know what forget it. Im outta here.” And I split. That whole situation could have easily gone South like with these kids. And its often all about ego. Everyone seems so quick to fight these days. Rational thought is just gone.
Hmm 😮😢👿😢🥶😡🐢👿
Sorry about that mate, I really thought you stole my backpack!
lol- your story was not even close to the current one in any way i can see. But it was a cool story, the only thing i'd add is that = the world is not going to just mesh with the peaceful zen mode you got going in your own mind, that's vanity and thinking your special or the world circles your butt - not the other way around. you have to be like bruce lee used to say like water, adapt to the many moving parts of this world like that guy with his missing stuff, his head was slightly spaced out, no doubt and being a built muscular specimen like all body building types, they tend to think different than intellectuals and the rest, so having patience and showing the time it takes to lead someone to the right path in life, or to their lost personal items is a credit to you and is at the least what christ would want you to do - at the least. So slow your roll and give people plenty of space to prove to you - THEY ARE BAD, or are def going to f... you over then you will be good and mad, and they will be justly dealt with by yourself so relax and always remind yourself in this world you are a grain of sand on a beach just be patient chilled out and flow my friend. p.s. this case is complicated, i think the kids got that adjustment they needed, but i don't like the way he bull dogged his way over to their inflated tires looking for his phone, like they took it or were trying to hide it, and they had no choice about him bull dogging over to sniff around...that was weird and stupid, i guess your man in the woods did the same thing to you, now i'm seeing what i think you were seeing in both cases. O.k then i read your message loud and clear now, if that guy did that with you then both him and nico the russian were wrong for that much no doubt, good thing you handled it different than these kids.
Yeah, it is all about knowing when to fight and when to fold. Most people don't like being insulted, but if you know you couldn't take someone in a fight, and they look hotheaded, it isn't worth it to get into a fight, and you would never convince him that he was wrong anyway.
@@NickyBlue99 Its all good man. 😆
They were taunting, harrasing him and even resorted to being physical with him, and he couldn't simply escape. He got overwhelmed by the harrasment which turned physical and acted in self defence. That jury was very stupid.
He absolutely could've escaped. In fact at one point he started walking away. Then he pulled out his knife and reengaged the teenagers. And the only reason it got physical was because he punched a teenage girl, which was after he reengaged btw.
@@official_catholic_church all they had to do was walk away also
@@kingpharaoh5716 He was the one who stabbed six teenagers. He's the one who claimed he was fearing for his life. If he truly felt his life was in danger he would've left when he was given the opportunity. Whether or not the teens could've left has no bearing on whether or not he acted in self defense, it is legally irrelevant.
@@official_catholic_church He didn't fear for his life when he had the opportunity to leave. It was when they attacked him in the water, the situation changed very quickly.
The 'court' railroaded a guy who was defending himself against these 'youths' who were mugging him for no good reason.
The jury made a bad decision and the appeal should be a breeze
These weren't kids. They were adults who chose to act like entitled little brats. He shouldn't be charged with anything. Those "adults" would be publicly shamed for such behavior. I'm tired of bad people doing whatever they want
So they deserve to be stabbed? He approached them and didnt say a word! if he approached pre-teens the way he approached these teens, you’d be singing a different tune! he never talked to them, never said anything! and started the fight
but you dont stab people
@@bonniedup5687 He stabbed people after he got punched in the face multiple times by multiple people who are a third of his age. They should have just stuck with bullying a nerd in their high school
@@bonniedup5687 he had a heart condition, and was being accosted by a group of teenagers.
@@bonniedup5687 ...not just accosted, assaulted. He was probably worried he'd be drowned.
Their behavior is sooo triggering to anyone who has been through highschool bullying. That laughter and circling around makes me absolutely sick.
Yes. I thought that too
I’m more disturbed by the stabbing, personally.
Yup, and the result was exactly what the bullies invited.
I can’t decide whether that was more disturbing or the disembowelment
@@user-fn8xt1hs5wyou’re weak. Bet you squeal like a 🐷
I have a feeling that these teens will be a little more polite to older strangers in the future
I doubt it. They have a victim mindset. If he is convicted, they more than likely double down in their ideas.
Delulu is a fitting description for that young group
And that old creep won't be touching any random teen girls in prison 😂
@@Gaggleosquirrels00 if? Verdict was reckless homicide. This video like most of the comments completely misrepresent what happened. Its pretty obvious you all made up your minds before even actually seeing all the evidence. Regardless of how the teens acted, Miu instigated the whole thing. He convinced himself they stole the lost phone, went and got a knife and confronted them by saying nothing and just running up grabbing their tubes and ones leg trying to get at the phone. He even put his hand by his knife right before he rushed at them. After they all yell for him to go away(one says a lot worse obviously, rest just tell him to go) he starts to but then turns around when the girls yell also. He walks right up to them, pulls his knife and while the camera then doesnt see it he either pushed or hit the girl. This video claims they had surrounded him as he tried to walk away, blatant Iie that is clearly proven false by the video he is showing when saying that. Most of you simply are resentful towards young people and dont even try to hide it, which left you all unable to look at this case rationally. Thankfully the jury did.
They learned nothing, they think they are all innocent
@@fintan9218 bro you can literally see them surround and push him down in the video. did you not watch it?
Unbelievable that he was the victim and ended up in jail for defending himself. Unbelievable
Modern America. Completely believable and should absolutely be expected. Stay away from large groups of people especially if they are within a certain age range and/or demographic.
He f’d up by talking to the police
Wait, is there already a sentence?
I hope Mr. Miu gets justice as well, he was harassed & assaulted.
Radical Jurisprudence
A knife is not a long-distance weapon. They were in his face.
They guy who was gutted, looks accidental. It looks like A.J. lunges forward, towards Miu, onto the knife as Miu is falling backwards.
@@user-tr8fs7lm8rgreat observation
This! They had to be up close to him in order to be even touched by the knife. At no point is he using the knife in a threatening manner. He is simply holding it in his hand because he’s in fear. He did not hold the knife up or wield the knife at any of the kids as if looking to purposely stab him. No one knows what Nicolas when though in his home country or what kind of trauma he had been through in his past. This is just sick.
@@user-tr8fs7lm8ragreed. At no point do I see him using the knife. It appears he is just holding it and then gets pushed and puts his arms out and that’s when it occurs.
5 inch blade is long distance.
It is deeply regrettable that someone died because of this asinine situation. They're all responsible because of their behavior.
I agree
Bingo
Thank you. Acting like the children are the only ones in the wrong here is asinine. He's a liar and an unsurpassed instigator himself.
Kids were also guilty
I’m going to comment every time I see another “cool” man with a beard? I’m trying to piece a theory, did covid set men off into the beard mode?
The "10 seconds" comment should be combined with the "do it for the culture" comment. They were saying to attack him in a way that would go viral in a 10 second clip.
It is heard more than 15 times of them telling him to, “leave, get out of hear, go away, leave us alone” but he refused to leave, they gave him the “you’ve got 10 seconds to leave” !!! It’s been taken out of context !!!
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 While they blocked his way to get back to his group.
@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 I saw him turn his back on them and go the other way and they followed him. Repeat: They followed him. That is what I saw.
@@BabyShark-kd9jl I saw that too!! 💯💯💯
Dr Grande, I m so pleased that a professional like you has got yhis 100%correct. I felt that youconfimed everything i was thinking like most people.
My personal experience as a cave diver who frequently visited various backwoods watery places, getting through the locals was sometimes part of the thrill and danger of the dive experience. Not only were you worried about vandalism of your vehicle you even had to worry that they would steal your equipment, left in shallower water & necessary for proper decompression from these dives. The sites were generally filthy with strewn trash, beer bottles and diapers. Some sites were located on abandoned property or state forest land so there was no one to assist in case things went south. Some areas had no cell service either. Non of those teenage fools would have been acting that way had they not had their mob with them.
The reason not to go into those situations.
@@ld3418 Or the reason for them to graduate 7th grade, behave with a little dignity and basic human respect, and stay the fuck away from people, mind their own business, and not touch shit that doesn't belong to them. All things I'm sure you'd be agreeing with had it been your property being disturbed.
Important point - they wouldn't have behaved the way they did without their mob with them. The psychology of a mob is a unique and unfortunate thing...
The Apple River is a popular tourist destination for people to go tubing. People from all over Minnesota and Wisconsin go there. It's not some "backwoods" river full of "locals".
Yup! And being drunk and/or stoned is typical behavior too. High school groups from all over the Twin Cities, every summer, for over 40+ years (class of 1977 myself).
Pretty sure my buds would have been freaked by some old guy coming up to us with a snorkel and creepy non-explanation
The man was scared. I would have been too. I had a situation a couple months ago in a Veterans club that I am a member of. I had a difference of opinion with a guy over politics. I was surrounded by three men trying to get into the conversation and I'm a 63 year old woman. Next thing I knew a total of five men started yelling at me , surrounding me and calling me a bunch of very inappropriate names. No one came to my defense. I started to leave and three of the men followed me to the door. I ran to my car. I was shaking and crying all the way home. I haven't went back since then. Too scared to. So I completely understand this guys mindset. Our world has become very scary and angry.
Did you kill anyone?
@@wrenogden6030 there’s always next time
Sounds like a nursing home situation. Hopefully, the three old men that followed you to the door were using walkers.
Politics are not a great topic to discuss in today’s world. If you are confronted by an opposing person or group of politics start talking to them about enemies of America and if they attack the U.S. would they be able to stand together with the other party to fight in war. You have to think about what really matters , and being American is much more than having a violent fight over a position on a topic that in the big picture is truly meaningless in the passage of time
No one should have to suffer through a terrifying experience like that, politics boiling over into a threatening situation is very sad to see, it means there's no longer healthy debate going on, it's descending down into intimidation tactics. Fortunately, in your case, no was killed or physically harmed, but if it keeps escalating, we know where that can go.
All of those teens and young adults are guilty of escalating an attack on this man. It’s disgusting and vile that this man is going to prison for self defense. They were surrounding him and acting aggressively . These teens were able to leave. He was in fear of his life.
😢😢😢 Those teenagers were bullying that man; calling him those things 😡 they were getting others involved in the bullying by screaming for help which turned into a mob of people who were attacking this man when all he was doing was looking for a phone...😥😥😥😢🤬 the bullying backfired and one of their friends lost their life and an innocent man basically lost his life 🧬 to life in prison and all he was doing is looking for a phone!! A day at the damn river turned into a f****** lifetime and his wife is now screwed😢😢 I sure hope this man can get a good lawyer and get off on the pill because he definitely don't deserve to be in prison that was self-defense in every sense of the word
I was never a punk at that age… I was taught by my parents, “you never know who you are messing with, so let people be”… I always lived by this philosophy… hadn’t had any major issues… these kids were never taught that and had to pay for it… my sympathy only goes so far with punks… and this BS argument of “their brains aren’t fully developed yet” is BS… they are developed enough to know what’s right and wrong. They wanted to act tough and paid for it.
Absolutely.
Thank you for your post. I completely agree with you.
I don't understand why they were so hostile. I used to go camping with friends often when I was young, and sometimes we encountered drunks, mostly we were the drunks, but there was never any violence.
I would have helped the man look for that lost phone.
One time a guy walked up, helped himself to our (imported!) beer from an ice chest. We looked at him funny, "Hey man! Are you looking for someone?" He grinned, "Yeah! Billy told me to meet him at the campsite near the boat ramp!" "Okay, we don't know anyone named "Billy" but, ya want a burger? We've got plenty!"
He hung out with us until his friend Billy came looking for him. Then they BOTH hung out with our group. We had better beer and cuter girls.😉
That was so typical for us, and the people we met. The whole point of going to the river or lake was to have fun, drink too much, and play bad music badly around a campfire. That was simpler, happier times in the 1980s.
Wow you’re so perfect. I’m jealous
@@andrewgonzalez6208 You don't need to be "perfect" to be decent.
Honestly if I was surrounded by a group of aggressive, angry, drunk young adults engaging in mob behavior, I’d be terrified. But for it to happen while we’re all standing in a body of WATER..AND SOMEONE STARTS SHOVING? Now it’s absolutely a life or death situation.
In knee-deep water? Riiiiiight
@@Zepster77 uneven ground and rocks, knee deep is over your head if you fall. if you're knocked out you can die or receive brain damage very quickly. read a book, and go outside ffs uneducated and no common sense.
@@Zepster77and you would know?
Did you watch the video? They only shoved him AFTER he hit one of the girls.
Why even antagonise drunk teenagers?
@@Zepster77 a lot of people have drowned in knee-deep water, the courts know that. Maybe you dont, but you wouldn't have known how much damage an old man could do to a mob either.
5:42 "All of a sudden the maniacal laughter of the group, consistent with experiencing sadistic pleasure was replaced with screaming, confusion, and fear as they scattered throughout the river in a chaotic fashion."
Translation: the predators became the prey.
Alternate translation: the ones who started the game of "f___ around and find out", found out and realized they didn't wanna play anymore.
The 17 year old kid (schuman) who died had been drinking and smoking marijuana that day and toxicology on his corpse showed a blood alcohol content of .218
Nobody else involved had any charges brought against them, only Miu... Maybe if these kids weren't drunk and stoned none of this would've happened.
I feel bad for nicolae miu. Not only did he take a life in self defense, but he's been railroaded.
The truth stings sometimes.
@@BabyShark-kd9jltold like it is..👍
The "kids" in this incident are in for a long hard ride in life. Not because of their supposed "trauma" but because they truly believe they were in the right. Life and karma will show them otherwise.
I recently attended a high school track meet. I think people don’t realize that 17 year old boys are strong men.
In a high stress situation, when you are attacked by grown men in a situation where they are intoxicated and using a gang attack, the stress and adrenalin would possibly prevent any measured thought for the attacked person, Nick Miu, to even consider that they might technically be under age, technically under the age of 18. Nick looks over 50 and we know that as an engineer doing technical work, he was in no position to take on one young robust sub 18 male. Sub adult is not really a good description? These were adults cloaked under a legal umbrella of age by years. Who caused it? If these young men had not gang attacked this man and pursued him in the water after he was down this never would have happened.
@@patfallon3395 He wasn't attacked. He wasn't even injured. He was taunted.
He was physically attacked @@dutchdna
I have to say that you’re right. I have one 17 year old son and I’m 53. If we had a fight he would win. He says, “You always threaten me with money.” I say, “Yeah buddy, that’s all I have left.”
Yes, just like the pending Preston Lord beating/murder case in Queens Creek, AZ.
I would have been scared when they pushed me down in the water and converged on me. People do kill others.
If nothing else the fear of drowning would trigger primal fight or flight.
They pushed him AFTER he hit one of the women.
His heart condition was a factor, too. He may have had fear of having another heart attack.
Yes, and people don’t seem to realize that he could have “accidentally” died in a number of ways. The young people might have been on trail for manslaughter if Nic was knocked out into the water and drowned
Would you rush up to a group you did not know and grab their raft as a way to get close to them?
If it happened in Florida, he probably would've won the case, AND the teens would've been charged for their friend's death.
And that would be justice.
This is just proof that an armed Society is a polite Society.
But when everyone is presumed to be disarmed then anyone can easily change into an aggressor/bully.
The thick-headed criminals of Florida have finally begun to understand this.
In Florida there would have been no trial.
@@ErrolMuskexactly. He'd of never been charged. I'm glad I live in a stand your ground state.
That’s why Wisconsin sucks.
The entire group was taunting, belittling, and bullying him. That part was all the way messed up! I could see the kids treating their fellow class mates this way.
youre sick in the head
Kids are idiots they always have been
Doesn’t mean you go around disemboweling them
@@kolikari3813in this particular instance it does
Oh, and they do, and they cry just as hard if you so much as report them to the school office. Nothing is their fault, see? Nothing.
I’ve been a court reporter for 30 years and I am 100% in agreement with your assessment.
really stupid question - do people who work in court have to have counseling often? I cant fathom being around that stuff - especially working at some place like CourtTV (i know its not what you do but just as an example)
@@TR-707Your anxiety will lower once you stop being a homosexual.
@@TR-707 That's a good question! I wonder if professionals working in criminal courtrooms ever get used to the horrible things they see and hear. They are stronger than me, because I know I'd fall apart. I have great respect for people who do these jobs. I feel that way about nurses and EMT also. I know I don't have what it takes to do those jobs, and few do.
Just curious, but what does you being a court reporter for 30 years have to do with you agreeing with his assessment?
Tragic all the way around….but you don’t get a pass on a mob bullying of 1 individual because you are teenagers!
I wonder how many of these commenters watched the video.
He was stabbing people like a madman.
What about the girl he sliced?
She didnt even look involved.
Why did mui go after kid on the tube in the beginning?
He didn't stab anyone who was not actively physically assaulting him.
The girl put her hands on him, was screaming in his face, and blocked him from walking back to his group.
My dad told me once, "If you go looking for trouble, you're going to find trouble you weren't looking for."
Sounds like they were looking for trouble and found trouble they weren't looking for.
He approached them twice. Second time with a knife.
@@m.j.e.5245 No, he was trying to get away from the situation. Pay attention.
@@jc71480 prehaps YOU need to pay attention. He approached them and was aggressive. When intimidation didnt work he pulled a knife.Kids didnt give two shits about him untill he barreled into the group.
He charged them aggressively, put his snorkle in his mouth to free his hands, touched the knife in his pocket, and proceeded to grab the tubes the teens were floating on, and continued to skulk around them menancingly. He did not explain why he was there, and invaded the teens space. The teens did not demonstrate aggression at this point, and it was clearly him who started aggressively charging and being menacing.
@@CaptainSchlockler he was looking for the phone, jackass. Pay attention. He pulled the knife after getting knocked down.
Lack of empathy. That's a massive problem among the younger generations. The additive nature of having cell phones and young people using them for hours and hours a day have been proven to have lowered the ability of young people to feel and experience empathy - up to 30% and even more.
🤡3%
I engage with them on reddit and it's downright scary.
I don't think past generations had much empathy towards each other.
it's a problem form white teenagers
To be attacked while in water your going to defend your life.
I agree, people really don’t understand the dynamics of poor footing. Especially when the prospect of being drowned in Shin, high water is a real prospect. I would’ve personally given those kids some warning about approaching me, but the whole thing was bizarre to say the least, and no one involved is totally blameless for their behavior.
He had already stabbed the girl before being pushed into the water...now tell me who has the right to defend? Why is everyone missing that detail and focusing on him being pushed and slapped down into the water?
@@vickijo2343He open hand hit/pushed the girl’s head/face; he didn’t stab her.
@@aheineman9138 And he was hit back.
@@Plutarch46*douche bag. Did it make you feel good correcting the commenter, are you proud of yourself?
Those young adults are lieing DOC ,..........PROSECUTER CANT TAKE. " YA I BELIEVE SO" the punch in the face LIE OR SLAP BS
Jury got it wrong. His attorney's must have sucked balls.
These guys didn’t just “harass” him - they instigated the entire thing, while drunk, to record it (“for the culture”), wouldn’t let him leave, attacked him, pushed him down to the water, tried to hold him in the water, and put their hands around his neck. Then they proceeded to lie in court, while the video proved they were lying. How is this happening?!
This happened because he had to put his faith in 12 fools that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
You are very wrong and obviously didn’t know the facts. Nick approached the teens about a missing phone. They continued to ask him to leave after they kept telling him they didn’t have the phone and didn’t see the phone. Nick was the initial aggressor. The jury found him guilty of murder! They got this one right!
@@candicane1 Miunthe right to go anywhere he pleased on a public river, looking for his phone. These guys should have either helped him, or gotten out of his way so he could look. They didn’t. They assaulted him. The “witnesses” were all caught lying because their testimony was at complete odds with the video evidence. One the video didn’t lie.
@@candicane1one of hyenas was put down so that’s a W
@@gravesidepoet5405and the other was put in jail for the rest of his life
I think being in the water is a huge factor. It’s so easy to get sucker punched when there is a big group like that. If you get knocked out, no guarantee anyone is going to pull you out of the water.
Exactly
Nick started it. And he took it way too far.
@@jaymike3302 go home, you’re intoxicated.
@@brentdennard6722 I've noticed a lot of comments on various videos...saying that it's okay to use lethal force against drunk kids. So casual about it.
Correct, being knocked out you could even drown falling face down into 3-inch-flat water.
There was a drunk guy on a bike the other night who fell from his bike and fell into a wet spot face down. He actually drowned because he fell unconscious and did not wake up.
I was so invested in this trial and literally gasped when miu was found guilty. So senseless and tragic on all sides
10:27 "I guess they were using the little known push people into the water method of assistance!" Haha
He wasn't only harassed, but also physically assaulted by the teens. Title should be updated.
he's been convicted already, yet here you are trying to die on this hill anyway. have fun!
@@SpencerDonahue - He was convicted on lesser charges and what the hell were you talking about dying on some hill? Where did I say anything about his guilt or innocence? I only addressed the title of the video, so get out your feelings.
Mui struck a woman. He started it. Dante hit him defending her. Her glasses disappear at that point in the video when she is struck by him too which agrees with witness testimony. He pulled a weapon then started the fight. What a victim.
The teens didnt touch him the whole time except Isaac pushed him at the very end after he stabbed the woman then the Carlson brother right in front of him. Neither of whom attacked Mui but Mui stabbwd them anyway. All of the teens stayed back none of them hit, struck, punched or kicked or held him.
Your bias blinded you to facts. Bias like "mob" and "drunk teens". Mui told police he drank too many beers and had lots of alcohol...
This is why jury found him guilty.
@@LL-wc4wn - Yeah, they found him guilty of the lesser charges. Don't respond to my comment as if I supported the dumbass when my comments clearly show that I didn't. I'm only pointing out that a young man lost his life over dumb shit where mature young adults could have easily avoided. Mui was a fool and an idiot, but he didn't start stabbing people until he got assaulted and knocked down. Bottom line, don't do heavy drinking in public, keep your damn hands to yourself, and walk away from any confrontation if possible.
Young man dead at age 17 and everyone is concerned about who's fault it is when EVERYONE played a role in his death and the multiple injuries.
@@parawill7074 lol you're walking it back now you clearly mad a bad call. Lesser charges that could see him get 90 years lol
Imagine instigating conflict & assaulting a gentleman simply looking for a phone.. then being surprised when he defends himself.. 😂🤦🏼♂️
I missed the part of the video where Mr. Mui told anyone he was searching for his missing phone.
People get bullied all throughout life. Someone's always going to say something you don't like. You don't get to murder them all. Period.
@@StruggleBus_Captain And I missed the part in the video where the guy did anything that warranted them calling him a pedophile looking for little girls!
@@StruggleBus_Captain Same as nowhere in the video does it show the idiot blonde being hit.
YOU CANT MURDER PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMEONE PUSHED YOU. 😂
...dont quit your day job.....🤣
At 10:27 - "the little known push people into the water method of assistance." Ha! Classic line! Love it!
Clearly a lot of people didn’t watch the same video of the incident
This video should be shown in every classroom. It clearly demonstrates the effects of bullying and how a lack of awareness and empathy can escalate a situation. Thank you for the insightful and educational video, Dr. Grande❤
Cry me a river
im a teacher, and im glad that you two freaks will never see kids
...and drinking
Lose-lose situation.
Jane D - yes! Alcohol makes anything like this much worse!
Not to mention the fear of constantly being pushed in the water he could have had a huge fear of drowning.
boohoo? "oh no, my fear of waterrrr, this is a completely reasonable response!!" i cant imagine someone to be so weak as for that to be the case
@@slashstabslice8672 it is interesting that you are alluding to weakness. I would like to hear what you would do in this situation when you were outnumbered 8 to 1:00 by a bunch of drunken teenagers who are physically and verbally assaulting you? How would you handle that exactly? Do you realize how much water it takes for a person to actually drown in?
@@brentsanada6589especially when it was considered vast majority of the group was physically stronger and out numbered him in a body of water.
he was pushed in less than 12" of water. So your conclusion of his "huge fear of drowning" is just supporting misinformation to match your own conclusions. In a case like this, we should stick only to the facts. And I hope that the jury will do this.
@@danconatser8699 Exactly, tell me you can't be drowned in 12 in of water if your face is held down in it. Thankfully, in this case our defender didn't have to wait for that to happen he was able to defend himself effectively despite several assailants keep coming after him.
This was a river of underage drunkenness, yelling, showing off, mental bullying, physical aggression and refusing to communicate because they were annoyed and then angry at a 52 year old man. Even one of them could have said " Okay, let's move on." or something to bring down the tension of the situation, but they were having a good time making him uncomfortable to the point of pushing him down in the water and putting a hand on his throat.
I feel like Nic Miu was at a disadvantage being a foreign born citizen. He was obviously taken by surprise by the very aggressive speech and actions of these teens and younger adults that is tolerated by their parents. He saw their actions as a serious threat to
his life. I don't think he knew what he was getting into by hanging around them looking for a phone. I don't think they realized that they were creating a deadly situation with their aggressive behavior. I wish Nic had walked past Madison and tried to speak with Mr. Carlson Sr.
I also don't know why anyone would want to bring a sharp knife like that to a tubing river when a box cutter would work for cutting rope. That knife seemed too big and too sharp. If it had been only a box cutter, Mr. Miu wouldn't be facing life in prison, in my opinion. This whole thing was so preventable, but is now an American horror story.
I have learned never argue with a woman. Always insist to speak to the man.
@@sunfish4095 I'm a woman and i agree. I grew up with 3 brothers and no sisters although I had a close cousin who was like a sister. Too many women are emotionally volatile. I've seen it in schools, the workplace and churches. I did have 2 bosses who were mature intelligent women. so they were great. Madison was an example of who to avoid in the Apple River situation.
You dont carry box cutters with you, you carry folding knives or fixed blade with sheath.
I'm certainly not going to say that he is innocent or blameless, but people need to learn that their actions can have consequences and to leave other people alone rather than taunting them when in a large group for "safety".
Dr Grande mentioned Nick was blocked from leaving in the conclusion, but didn't say that in the analysis. I'm confused, could Nick leave at any time or did the teens surround him?
It looked like he harassed them and accused them of stealing a phone, and then they retaliated by insulting him. So, it seems like you're blaming the victims. Ultimately, the smart move is typically to try to end the interaction when someone is acting in an aggressive manner out of the blue. But that doesn't mean it's the teens' fault that they were assaulted. It's natural for people to be upset when they're harassed and wrongfully accused of stealing. Expecting perfect behavior from victims in the face of being mistreated by a bad actor is unreasonable.
He was surrounded. The video evidence is hard to ignore!
@@loki2240 I ask you again, where did you read/hear that he initiated the incident with accusations? I'd like to see this source as well.
@@christellschmidt2035 How do you know that? Unless you have video evidence of the entire altercation, you have no way of knowing.
Humans who are raised staring at personal screens, with parents who don't parent, and who spent little time in the real world while growing up may end up acting this way. I fear for the future if these kinds of people procreate.
It's way past too late to worry about the future. It is already set in stone.
Teens have been like this for countless centuries
@@didgya
Yup. Before screens there have always been bullies who really shouldn't group together. It's the less becoming side of human nature.
Not really. We haven't had computers for centuries.
@@Jeff-sp7bg lol. I didn't word that well. Just saying human nature hasn't changed.
I don’t think he should have been found guilty. He was ganged up on by a gang of arrogant, evil teenagers. I’m shocked the jury found him guilty & the little bastards who provoked him are getting away with it.
Would you rather be pushed into a river by a few young adults or would you rather be disemboweled by an old dude who doesn't know personal space? I'll wait for your answer.
Pushing does not warrant poking people with your blade.
It's the way our twisted world seams to work anymore. Nothing makes sense anymore and the country is eating itself because of the stupidity 🤦🙄🤡
@@jacobrideout3214how about don't fuck with people if you don't want to find out. Pushing the guy is a threat and when surrounded you gotta do what you gotta do. I would have fucked up as many of them as I could. We used to respect our elders way more than these punks today. We knew our place most of the time. But not today. Every kid is a disrespectful know it all. lt gets tiresome sometimes with these delinquents. Alot of parents are failing their children and the kids walk around with a chip on their shoulder thinking they are untouchable. In my day the kids would have been held to account and the man would have been exonerated in what he had to do. And the reason I know this is because I hung with a rough crowd when I was young and we got in trouble all the time and a few times for ganging up on older dudes just like these kids did. I remember one guy was just leaving the creek after fishing and said maybe we should quite down a little bit because people were trying to relax and fish. Well a bunch of my friends surrounded him and got in his face taunting him and messing with him so pulled out a gun and fired at us but didn't hit anyone and we were held accountable because he was up against at least 15 people and feared for his life. He too tried to push us out of his way and was punching too. I remember feeling bad for the guy but I was part of my crowd and kept my mouth shut. I only got a year probation just because I was part of the crowd but some of my other friends had to do a year and a half to two years in jail. And nothing happened to the guy that fired at us. And I remember the judge thanked him for his bravery in standing up to thuggish teenagers.
@@Gigakoopz"poking" you've been on these New York streets 🤣
Love it 💪
Very good analysis Dr. Grande
"I guess they were using the little known "push people into the water" method of assistance!" -what a perfect example of Dr. Grande's dry, subtle humor! 🤣 I could listen to him for hours, and I do!
What to expect from a bunch of tiktok adolescents…
To be fair, I really don’t believe most kids are like this. These kids were brought up terribly by their families. Who tells their kids it’s okay to bully? Who lets their kids bully? Other bullies. Their parents are entitled too.
@@BlackSeranna For sure. Social media only enhances the natural lack of values someone has. I wouldn’t necessarily blame their parents, but there’s indeed a very good chance that’s the case…
@@lucaslouzada44 You see a video of 5 kids getting stabbed, side with the murderer who initiated the confrontation and disemboweled two people and you want to talk about values? Mexico, please hurry up and reabsorb that sh1thole country.
@@BlackSerannamost young adults are like this everywhere now that's BS and it has to do with social media you can raise your kids right and they still turn out bad social media is making people narcissistic
He shouldnt of approached the kids tubes and start searching them without making what he was about to do known. Very weird behaviour im not surprised the kids took the piss out of him.
He mistook those kids for approachable humans.
@@BabyShark-kd9jl Not the way he approached, he looked like he had already made his mind up that the kids stole the phone
@@tomsco7 He thought they were holding it up for him. He tripped and fell on their tubes reaching for it, lost his goggles and snorkel and they started making fun of him. Juwahn couldn't understand him and started making up things about him LOUDLY. Instead of I'm looking for my googles, it was little girls to Juwahn. My ears, the person who has to live with Juwahn must wish they were deaf.
@@BabyShark-kd9jl boo-hoo for him. strangers in groups should be treated democratically, without intruding into their group until your intentions are known. He was the one with the knife why should the kids trust him and respect him, when he thinks he can approach their group without making his intentions known.
He deserves to go to jail for stabbing people when he could have just walked away. His injured ego lead him to murder
@@ecastillo9804 It is sad that Isaac and A.J. jumped on Nic's knife. boohoo for them. so stupid.
As an English person, i am used to seeing people put inside for defending themselves, to see it pan out in America, feels surreal!
Nothing about this feels right, in the UK, most would agree that this was self defence against an angry mob, but we also know he would have his liberty taken away for defending himself, because thats the UK injustice system.
This feels like the message we are used to, defend yourself at your own risk.
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gleeful self-righteous sadism is such a bizarre modern trend among teenagers and twitter warriors
Nazis were that way.
Exactly, sadism!
I'm not justifying anything, but he didn't exactly approach the group in a peaceful manner
@@NeXuS858 You obviously never watched the video. Or.....you're a moron.
Miu is the sadist, correct? or is it everyone here in the comments that thinks this guy was justified to stab these kids to death for calling him names.? yup.
I agree with your analysis dr. Grande. Drunken teens looking for a fight; crowd bullying, they got what they were looking for
nothing in them asking an outsider to leave them alone is "looking for a fight" (a knife fight)
---yes they were rude, as drunk teens, or young adults often are
---their pushing only started after Mr. Miu came back for a fight
---since he had already left, he didn't have to come back and murder
---and he can't even use the "crime of passion" (response to the ugly, rude name calling) since he repeated over and over in court that he was not angry at that moment
---so this was an intentional return to a fight (assured by the knife in his pocket)
Love your analysis. Thank you
There is no way that the jury is going to convict him of first degree murder. The prosecuting attorney really blew it when he charged him with that. At the most, he should have brought a manslaughter charge.
I agree
Yeah they pretty much have to prove he planned the attack beforehand right?
@@themagnumtodd in some jurisdictions they just have to show he formed intent before stabbing them ,but that intent need only be immediately before the act. even as little as a few seconds. it's a pretty riduculous law IMO. Looks like self -defense to me.
Manslaughter implies you used the weapon without intent to kill. You do not stab someone in the abdomen and not understand it will kill someone.
agree
I absolutely think these entitled teenagers got themselves into this mess. Its terrible that one young man died and others were injured. The man was absolutely pushed to defend himself! I've been in the middle of a group of mean taunting teenagers and I was terrified. Just because he lied doesn't change the facts! Id be afraid that if I told my side they would still prosecute me too. I feel for the family of the young man who was killed. But I don't have any empathy for the rest of that group!
But he had to know that the police was going to find him eventually. By not mentioning it to his wife, did he plan to just go home and forget about it.?
Mui probably did this in Romania too. Look into unsolved killings and I'll bet he comes up
I feel bad for the 17 year old who died because it's over for him. He can't come back and say " I'm sorry, it was our fault." Ironically, he may have been the first to say so because he had his hand on Nick's throat. He may have been thankful he survived if he had, unlike all the others who are busy trying to garner sympathy for getting hurt in a really stupid game.
It's crazy how many people in this country know nothing about self defense laws
Wait. I must be missing something... The comments are all taking the adult’s side but every video Ive seen shows him literally running up the kids and grabbing their float? It looked like he was irritated and put himself in a hostile situation and the stabbed somebody to get out of it. Please explain?
I understand that people may dislike the young peoples behavior but I feel the adult should have’s left the moment he was ask too. Him staying escalated the situation after he was asked to leave. Verdict is made for me there. Im obviously not the only person who sees it this way considering he was found guilty.
What? Theyre literally assaulting him and he gets Jailed for murder?
yup! WELCOME TO BIDENS AMERICA!
wow your so smrt. but you forgot that he inserted himself into the situation repeatedly. when you do that, you can never claim self defense, even in backwards states like texas.
@@ElChuntyCabra This has nothing to do with who is President, you weirdo.
@@ElChuntyCabraI think the jury was biased because of big last name in a small town
@@ElChuntyCabrahow is this Biden’s America??
Honestly wtf dude
People have been acting entitled for a Long time
It has Nothing, I mean Nothing, to do with who the President is!!
It is Society Not the President’s fault
Your comment is Part of the problem
People should take responsibility for THEIR actions and Not pawn it off on Anything other than that!!
Actions have consequences…so, people Should know and understand that!!
Politics doesn’t belong in Every Conversation
See, I could point out that Trump and his minions Tried, unsuccessfully, to overthrow the government and throw out the Constitution…so that’s the reason this happened
See Just how ludicrous that is??!!!
Grow Up
Caught up in the aggressive energy of a group situation.....no " thinking " , only . reacting....its so easy to drown
😢 it's a shame that this young man lost his life but it's a shame that another man is going to have to spend the rest of his life in prison because the kids decided to bully him mob mentality took over...😢
Could this be considered a "Hate Crime" if they judged he was a foreigner or "Russian" based on his accent? I think that had something to do with it.
Two things come to mind here: 1. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 2. FAFO.
He just spent 2 years in jail, such a win for him right?
@@flack3 maybe they're saying that about all parties involved. They get stabbed; he gets jail time. Everybody gets a trophy for showing up.
@@flack3 He's still alive, lol.
@@hydrostatic8048 FAFO still doesnt imply 2 group of losers. FAFO is when 1 party is being stupid and pay the price. Everybody was stupid on this river that day, everybody lost something and would probably go back to the day before. Thats aint FAFO
@@flack3who's opinion is swayed by the rulings of a corrupt justice system?? Oh right bootlickers
This is a classic case of "FuQ around & find out."
Exactly!
float around and find out
And get locked up for the rest of your life lol
Where is that in the law?
@@phoenixmerridian9119 I don't think "common sense" is written anywhere in the law but, when you do things that lack common sense you often find out. It's like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, wearing short pants & flip flops. You often get away with it but, eventually you find out. That's what happened here.
for people who's defending these fatherless kids, I hope you don't get into a situation one day where you're surrounded by mobs and be forced to defend yourself or your family.
He's been found guilty and facing 97 years.
This is a failure of justice. It's disgusting to me. He's completely innocent
Are we living in bizarro world now?
He approached this group and got into their personal space first. He grabbed their tubes, and dropped his own damn snorkel because he had both hands on their tube.
They told him to leave multiple times before anyone had touched him. He just made creepy faces and refused to go on his way.
He brandished his knife and had it in his hand before anyone touched him.
You can’t see it in the video, but he did hit one of the girls before he was pushed into the water, as evidenced by her sunglasses being on her face just a moment prior and then missing when she comes into frame again. THAT’S when they started yelling at him and pushed him into the water.
This is when he sliced up the first guy’s stomach (in the orange shorts) and disemboweled him.
He then stabs the girl in the bikini in the back, when she wasn’t even facing him.
At this point people realize he is going on a stabbing spree and begin to run away. Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one.
Then he calmly walks away as if nothing happened, discards the knife in the trees (conscious knowledge of guilt and disposal of evidence), and then walks to the opposite side of the river to rejoin his group.
He did not try get help, for himself or any of his victims. Instead he convinced his group to continue their float down the river and left the victims for dead.
After getting out of the water, he changed his clothes to disguise himself and then lied multiple times to police, because he didn’t know there was video of the encounter.
This guy is an absolute psychopath, and no matter how loudly those kids were yelling at him, he initiated this encounter, refused to leave their space, and drew his weapon before anyone had touched or threatened him.
@@mckernan603 100% correct. Using a knife on kids like this is pure disgusting cowardice.
Your life is surely not worth defending, so I guess I understand your view point loser.
@@mckernan603 Good to hear an alternative account, but I don't think much of what you say is that convincing.
1. Being guilty of lying to the police does never and has never proven guilt of anything else (except to clowns like you). Equally trying to 'evade justice' doesn't imply you know or believe yourself to be guilty of anything. There are many reasons to lie to the police and evade justice, for instance if you are not 100% sure that justice would prevail in court, or simply consider the entire court fiasco you would likely be put through to be unpleasant or a waste of your time.
2. You say "Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one."
What time span elapsed between the first stab and his retreat? If you feel your back is against the wall, that you're surrounded by aggressors calling you the worst names, and you have to go into fight for your life defensive mode with a knife, how long after 'chaos' erupts and your enemies retreat is reasonable to elapse before you feel safe in retreating yourself? Was he lunging at these other people? Why were they so close to him?
3. You claim he invaded their personal space. How much of the river constituted their 'personal space'? How close was he to them when they began verbally attacking him? Did they stay put, or did they come towards him and surround him, while bullying him for their own sadistic pleasure? Was that not an invasion of his personal space, greater than any you claim he did to them? Why were they all within stabbing reach of him exactly?
@@nonyobisniss7928 all ears if you find a point
I agree with you. However, after watching again, I see it is really a totally mishandled situation. He should have left, realizing he had a knife, and that the knife would be his only defense he would use, he must avoid these situations. A phone is not worth the trouble he appears to instigate. Kids need to know that it is not ok to fuck with people, I feel he situation could be over, and everyone involved still be alive if better judgment had been applied. Sad but he is not guilty of murder. Being pushed into a couple feet of rapidly moving water is deadly force, and he can respond with deadly force. The court got this one wrong.
Water can be used to murder someone and they knocked him down into it twice. They EASILY could have held him under.
coulda, eh? You'd make a great litigator.
@StruggleBus_Captain
Yes, "coulda". Since they instigated the conflict, they are at fault.
Really. There were 20 people around. Do you really think everyone was going to stand around watching a man being held under water until death. It takes minutes not seconds to drown. Until death he would be thrashing around violently. A knife wound to the heart is silent, everyone was unaware and he was dead in seconds.
@@YancyKinThe kids are psychos. Why do you think that they started it in the first place?
@@YancyKin Exactly! Team Nic seems to assume that every single person there other than Nic was an absolute psychopath. Ridiculous
As long as we use the word "bullying" nothing will change... Its assault/ abuse.
Same for "pranksters" that really are criminals.
Ok fine, it's verbal abuse, but if you think verbal abuse warrants physical abuse with a deadly weapon, then you should be locked up for the good of society (those of us with IQs above 80)
@@jeffbarnes2703Verbal assault that turned into physical assault/threats of physical assault. If you are being assaulted, you are allowed to defend yourself. Did you even watch the video? The OP is correct. The word bullying minimizes the actions of the group. Just like jugging is a cutesy word for armed robbery.
@@mitzloo1933 Not with lethal force unless you have a good reason to assume you're going to die from the assault. This is not to mention that he had the chance to flee.
This is so disgusting. This man does not deserve prison.
The verdict on this case was disgusting!
Far from the only abomination of justice here recently in this dying trash heap of a nation
100% agreed!
Agree! All those teens are responsible for their actions and the death of their friend.
1st degree is ridiculous. 40 years is even more absurd.
The youth of this country are out of control
Imagine, this is the so-called future of America. We are so screwed it's not even funny.
Teens have never do anything stupid in the past.....
Teens always have but now it's not the exception.
Lil bastards were raised by internet. Parents fault they got knocked up and always give the kid an tablet or phone . aka digital babysitter
@@dopecat4012 Unfortunately in many places, it is already well out of control. Saw a video of a father out of Chicago lamenting that "all of the youth commit hijackings these days." There's no saving this country.
The drunk teenagers amped up the encounter into a sick game where they toyed with Mr. Miu. Instead of treating an adult with respect (whatever happened to that concept?) they mentally and physically attacked him. It was group bullying by the 13 of them. They were a pack of laughing hyenas.
He left his group and went over to them. He shouldn't have left his group
@@anthonytabor210why not? He was in a public area. Is this a free country? Or is it ruled by thugs?
I have a real issue with this case. This entire Case could and should have been avoided by all parties involved. I agree w everyone that the teenagers verbally assaulted the defendant which is not a very becoming way for young men to act in any public setting- period. Then add in the consumption of alcohol and marijuana. And this group was a ticking time bomb. This group of kids became completely irrational bullies looking for a target. The defendant should have told his group that he needed help . and that he needed-assistance. they were all around 17 years old and were high. The kids were wrong and obnoxious but did they deserve to be murdered or severely injured? The answer is no.
@@mollymccafferty5087 sounds like a good idea but it may have resulted in even more deaths.. who knows.
@@anthonytabor210 Who the FK are you to think you can tell anyone where they can and can't go. That fatally flawed attitude will earn you what these 5 earned. Pray you never run into me with that attitude.
The only thing in danger as his ego and pride.
So let me get this straight - these teens were underage drinking, wasted out of their minds and also high, unprovokedly taunted a man with false, serious criminal accusations, pushed him to the river and physically assaulted him and held him down. One person even had their hands around his neck, and the group was easily capable of drowning him. Yet, when he defended himself against 13 people, 6 of who were physically attacking him… HE was the criminal. Makes total sense.
Exactly
Only one of them was a teen. In previous generations they would be considered young adults. The narrative of them being rambunctious children,is puke worthy.
Welcome to America where we no longer prosecute crimes and make excuses for criminals!
I missed where this happened but it sounds like Oregon nowadays. Criminals in office allowing the criminals they like to do whatever they please.
They pushed him and hit him after he hit someone. Why is everyone ignoring that part?