I listened to the instigator of this event when he testified. He called a stranger a pedo, ramped up the accusations, involved another group of strangers, and then retreated to stand back and revel in the chaos he had created. He then filmed himself pretending to be shocked instead of trying to offer assistance. That is who should be on trial. Classic sociopath yelling fire in a theater.
Wrong. Watch the entire thing. Nik , maybe jokingly, said I am looking for little girls, according to many witnesses. He could have walked away. I have been down that rive many times tubing. so I know how shallow it is there) That man rushed the group,, he instigated, never said a word with a crazy blank stare, could have left, and if scared, could have showed his knife and said "I will defend myself". No, he hid it and went on a stabbing spree.
Too many have been getting away with it for too long “saying whatever they want without risking getting punched in the mouth” through a touchscreen. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
I'm so glad to see so many others in these comments with common sense. As a guy approaching 50 myself, this case intrigued me. What would I do in that situation? I watched the trial and was in complete shock when he was convicted.
It’s 60. Watch the police interview and see if it changes your mind. What would you do if you really feared for your life? He tossed the knife on the shore immediately following the stabbing, denied any involvement with the event initially, lied about all the details of the incident during the police interview. I completely agree with the verdict. If you want to see a miscarriage of justice take a look at MN supreme court’s latest self defense verdict involving knives and public transit.
You'd stab them? Serious bro? Learn non lethal self defense and learn how to de-escalate. I've witnessed situations like that before the stabbing occured and seen them de-escalated quickly without violence or done it myself. It's not a war zone. There are so many other options, and look, they're yuppie ass kids, they're not going to be a death threat in the slightest. If you fear everything sure they might, but thats your imagination and I don't get the catastrophic thinking. It's nothing like the kids I WOULD have wanted a weapon around growing up myself. I'm not for discourse and I'm not trying to have a go at you either, but this comment section has me sighing dude. It feels like alot of people here will tell themselves anything to justify to killing people. I watched the videos, I watched the court docs, not once in that situation, did I feel like it escalated to a point where the "self defense" you are alluding too was ever necessary even if I thought those kids were dumb as hell. People saying "fuck with the wrong person" but in all honestly in my experience, its people who aren't prepared, out of their depth or have never been in those situations are the most unpredictable where other people would have not seen it worth their time. Its like a movie to them and it snowballs. Met alot of rough bastards in my time and honestly not one of them would have got a knife out, unless they wanted to go to jail. Granted, not everyone has the ironic privelage of growing up cautious, but non lethal action needs to be essential and it can stop situations becoming way worse. Not everything is solved with a gun or a knife, especially just dealing with young assholes. If you're 50, you can walk away knowing they're naieve as hell and will learn in time. None of this "ive watched the joker so many times I think Im in a revenge flick and my time will come to teach the unsuspecting folk who cross me because the internet has got my back!" The comments making it political too, goddamn, its sad. It really says alot about peoples fragility, and just what seems like a fear of everything and how far gone people actually are to just make something political any moment they get a chance too aswell. I just find it kind almost pathetic how unaware you'd have to be to think that in that scenario with a bunch of yuppie middle class kids around around, that you can size everyone up and think to yourself the only way out is to stab people. You know full well what a knife is going to do when you are making stabbing motions with it. So, when you do that, you need to accept the consequences that come with it. The guy here is very much learning that.
Monkey see, monkey do. They have learned that it's okay to harass people from somewhere. The generations above them aren't necessarily any different from them.
Why wasn't the person who attempted to pull his bathing suit down charged with sexual assault? How is it possible that none of these teenagers got charged?
@castanza128 bs the guy pushed, punched, or otherwise did something to the bikini girl. He went jumping over and through the kids aggressively, got in their face, and instigated the whole thing and then stabbed them for retaliating. The kids were trashy as hell but you still can't stab them to death. Wtf.
@@trex1448 Seems like you are filling in a lot of blanks with your own guesses. But we can clearly see in the video that the man is being pushed down in the water when the knife came out. I don't have any duty to let you drown me. If you try to drown me, I will become stabby, too.
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This man felt threatened. I am 56 years old, and being surrounded by 13 people would scare me so badly! Especially if they were younger than me and drunk, taunting.
No, you don't have to avoid everyone, just the loud and obnoxious ones. Or the super quiet ones who feel shady. I mean, you never really know who is dangerous, so... Yeah, avoid all humans.
My husband and I flew commercial recently, I told him before we left to not make eye contact with strangers. It’s sad that things are so out of control right now. I don’t know what happened to people, but common courtesy seems to be a thing of the past.
This case reminds me of something that happened to me which could easily have gone South. I had walked down this trail to go to a swimming hole I had been too many times before. It wasn’t warm enough yet to swim but I liked going there just to chill and listen to music. It was midweek during the workday so there wasn’t really anyone else around. As I made my way down the trail I noticed a backpack along with some fishing gear leaning against a tree right next to the trail. When I looked down the thickly wooded hill to my left I could see some guy wading in the creek fishing. I figured the stuff was his and just kept heading down the trail without thinking much more about it. I eventually got to my destination, threw on my headphones and just chilled out as planned. About ten minutes later I saw some guy walk out of the woodline with a fishing pole. I immediately recognized him as the fisherman and figured he was looking to drop a line in the swimming hole as its a pretty good spot. So I just gave him a small wave of acknowledgment and nodded my head. But he continued to walk towards me and I could tell he was saying something? So I took out my ear buds. He was young guy about 25 with long curly hair and a muscular build. Looked like he definitely worked out. Thats when he spoke to me. He asked “Hey man. Did you happen to see a backpack and some fishing gear? I left it up in the woods and cant find it. Ive got all my stuff in there. My wallet and everything.” Immediately I didn’t like the energy that was coming off of him. His question was more accusatory than anything else. So I said yeah I saw it. I described exactly what I saw, that I saw him fishing, and that it was leaning against a tree right next to the trail. He kinda looked at me for a second and said “Cool. Thanks.” Then he walked off towards the trail. He came back about five minutes later only this time he’s much more animated. He says he couldn’t find it. So im thinking how could he not find it?? I mean its right there! Only a blind man could miss it! Now I could tell he’s convinced himself that I stole it. He starts giving me the third degree. Do you live around here? What’s your name? All that stuff. So now im getting pissed. Im out here just trying to enjoy my day. This trail and swimming hole is practically my backyard and I got this stupid absent minded guy basically accusing me if stealing his stuff. Keep in mind its just us in the middle of the woods and flip phones had only recently become a thing. I dont even think there were cell towers up in this area. So I had a choice. I could tell this guy to F off and risk getting into a fight or something worse. And judging by his physique I wouldn’t have had much of a chance without any weapon. Scenario two. He walks away cursing me and eventually calls the cops. Or scenario three which would cause me to swallow my pride and check my ego a bit and walk this dumb SOB to where his gear is. Ruining my otherwise chill day. I chose option three. So I asked him how far down the trail he went to search? And it was obvious he didn’t go far enough. I told him to follow me and I’ll show him exactly where his stuff is. Sure enough after a very long, tense and silent walk there was his stuff exactly where I said. Leaning on that tree right next to the trail. He says, “Oh. Thanks.” No apology or anything. Thats when I told him in the future he should pay closer attention to where he leaves his stuff and not be so quick to judge and accuse people. Immediately he got defensive. “I didnt accuse you!! I didn’t accuse anyone! Where the Hell did you get that from!?” I said, “You know what forget it. Im outta here.” And I split. That whole situation could have easily gone South like with these kids. And its often all about ego. Everyone seems so quick to fight these days. Rational thought is just gone.
lol- your story was not even close to the current one in any way i can see. But it was a cool story, the only thing i'd add is that = the world is not going to just mesh with the peaceful zen mode you got going in your own mind, that's vanity and thinking your special or the world circles your butt - not the other way around. you have to be like bruce lee used to say like water, adapt to the many moving parts of this world like that guy with his missing stuff, his head was slightly spaced out, no doubt and being a built muscular specimen like all body building types, they tend to think different than intellectuals and the rest, so having patience and showing the time it takes to lead someone to the right path in life, or to their lost personal items is a credit to you and is at the least what christ would want you to do - at the least. So slow your roll and give people plenty of space to prove to you - THEY ARE BAD, or are def going to f... you over then you will be good and mad, and they will be justly dealt with by yourself so relax and always remind yourself in this world you are a grain of sand on a beach just be patient chilled out and flow my friend. p.s. this case is complicated, i think the kids got that adjustment they needed, but i don't like the way he bull dogged his way over to their inflated tires looking for his phone, like they took it or were trying to hide it, and they had no choice about him bull dogging over to sniff around...that was weird and stupid, i guess your man in the woods did the same thing to you, now i'm seeing what i think you were seeing in both cases. O.k then i read your message loud and clear now, if that guy did that with you then both him and nico the russian were wrong for that much no doubt, good thing you handled it different than these kids.
Yeah, it is all about knowing when to fight and when to fold. Most people don't like being insulted, but if you know you couldn't take someone in a fight, and they look hotheaded, it isn't worth it to get into a fight, and you would never convince him that he was wrong anyway.
You can bully Westerners. Slavic people are a bit different. Well, some of my relatives look Slavic, but they are Persians/Aryans - Central Asia/Middle East. The guys with blue eyes & blond hair & baby face, but all like Khabib. * They all have a knife.
@@georgehasleftthebuilding6621 I think the moral of the story is the Western Culture. Immigrants didn't grow up in a passive-aggressive culture. I had a hard time assimilating. We don't have passive-aggressive people. It's either aggressive or not.
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Why were these kids not arrested for gang assault?
....or better yet felony murder. I mean Issac Shewman lost his life during the group committing a felony( placing Mr Miu in immediate fear for his life). If anyone should have been charged with murder, it should have been the group that was assaulting Nick
I completely agree. And on a side note: How come the state saw no need whatsoever to charge the group for the illegal consumption of alcohol and other drugs, as well as for harassing, bullying, terrorizing and finally physically assaulting Mr. Miu?
I guess my question would be why was the man grabbing a woman by the head and hitting her and then I'll be in in a brawl they were adults. This whole thing makes me sick. It's just being in the wrong place and that poor mother that told her son no you go with your friends tubing instead of picking up your dad at the airport. Can you imagine living with that.
Its a 200$ fine, who gives a F really. A teenagers died because a man's ego was bruised. You people are ridiculous. Theres no such hate as Christian love.
He was surrounded, and assaulted. In one angle it appeared that someone had put pressure on the top of his head, preventing him from lifting his head above the water. This was Self Defense.
My personal experience as a cave diver who frequently visited various backwoods watery places, getting through the locals was sometimes part of the thrill and danger of the dive experience. Not only were you worried about vandalism of your vehicle you even had to worry that they would steal your equipment, left in shallower water & necessary for proper decompression from these dives. The sites were generally filthy with strewn trash, beer bottles and diapers. Some sites were located on abandoned property or state forest land so there was no one to assist in case things went south. Some areas had no cell service either. Non of those teenage fools would have been acting that way had they not had their mob with them.
@@ld3418 Or the reason for them to graduate 7th grade, behave with a little dignity and basic human respect, and stay the fuck away from people, mind their own business, and not touch shit that doesn't belong to them. All things I'm sure you'd be agreeing with had it been your property being disturbed.
Important point - they wouldn't have behaved the way they did without their mob with them. The psychology of a mob is a unique and unfortunate thing...
The Apple River is a popular tourist destination for people to go tubing. People from all over Minnesota and Wisconsin go there. It's not some "backwoods" river full of "locals".
Yup! And being drunk and/or stoned is typical behavior too. High school groups from all over the Twin Cities, every summer, for over 40+ years (class of 1977 myself). Pretty sure my buds would have been freaked by some old guy coming up to us with a snorkel and creepy non-explanation
These punk young adults harassed him? This man was attacked by a pack of jackals. It's a disgrace that he is charged with first degree murder. He never went out that day with the intention of killing somebody. This is self-defense. How did he not know that they were not going to drown him?
No. The video exists. He walks into the river with a knife. That's attacking not defending period. There's literally no room to even argue anything else. You can say his feelings were hurt and you can say the teens were mean but he went after them period. Not even mildly similar to self defense.
@@Jortinkalttana umm no lol. Also like I said he went to get the knife off shore. Which is attacking period. He left and came back to the situation. I feel like a lot of you people don't realize how self defense law works 🤣 To be self defense you have to have no way out. You can't instigate a situation then attack somebody. If you are instigating it's not longer self defense period. If these kids went to the shore and attacked him he might a got away with it. But he returned with a knife after having left the situation. That's like if I go around on the street calling people names till somebody tries to fight me and I pull a gun. Id be going to prison 😂 and rightly so.
@@colonelradec5956he walked into the river with a knife is attacking? He’s allowed to carry a knife. He only took it out when he was being assaulted by a group of people.
@@ceeIoc no that's not how self defense law works lol even in Texas he wouldn't have gotten away with that 🤣 he want back to shore and got a knife. If you don't see how that's provoking then that's on you lol. Cause to a jury and the law that's absolutely provoking. Same with common sense. He was able to leave and didn't. Instead retrieved a knife lol. Also most don't realize he attacked first. If you claim self defense to win you have to prove that what you did was 100% necessary and you were afraid. If at any time you can escape the incident and choose not too then your self defense claim is gone 😂 In Florida they have stand your ground but even in Florida if you got a chance to get away the courts gonna convict you. Self defense is reserved for when your out of options. He had the option of walking away the entire time. He got closer to them multiple times. It took awhile for all this to happen. So yes guilty. And I'd study self defense if you plan on defending yourself.
nothing in them asking an outsider to leave them alone is "looking for a fight" (a knife fight) ---yes they were rude, as drunk teens, or young adults often are ---their pushing only started after Mr. Miu came back for a fight ---since he had already left, he didn't have to come back and murder ---and he can't even use the "crime of passion" (response to the ugly, rude name calling) since he repeated over and over in court that he was not angry at that moment ---so this was an intentional return to a fight (assured by the knife in his pocket)
The man was scared. I would have been too. I had a situation a couple months ago in a Veterans club that I am a member of. I had a difference of opinion with a guy over politics. I was surrounded by three men trying to get into the conversation and I'm a 63 year old woman. Next thing I knew a total of five men started yelling at me , surrounding me and calling me a bunch of very inappropriate names. No one came to my defense. I started to leave and three of the men followed me to the door. I ran to my car. I was shaking and crying all the way home. I haven't went back since then. Too scared to. So I completely understand this guys mindset. Our world has become very scary and angry.
Politics are not a great topic to discuss in today’s world. If you are confronted by an opposing person or group of politics start talking to them about enemies of America and if they attack the U.S. would they be able to stand together with the other party to fight in war. You have to think about what really matters , and being American is much more than having a violent fight over a position on a topic that in the big picture is truly meaningless in the passage of time
No one should have to suffer through a terrifying experience like that, politics boiling over into a threatening situation is very sad to see, it means there's no longer healthy debate going on, it's descending down into intimidation tactics. Fortunately, in your case, no was killed or physically harmed, but if it keeps escalating, we know where that can go.
I was never a punk at that age… I was taught by my parents, “you never know who you are messing with, so let people be”… I always lived by this philosophy… hadn’t had any major issues… these kids were never taught that and had to pay for it… my sympathy only goes so far with punks… and this BS argument of “their brains aren’t fully developed yet” is BS… they are developed enough to know what’s right and wrong. They wanted to act tough and paid for it.
I don't understand why they were so hostile. I used to go camping with friends often when I was young, and sometimes we encountered drunks, mostly we were the drunks, but there was never any violence. I would have helped the man look for that lost phone. One time a guy walked up, helped himself to our (imported!) beer from an ice chest. We looked at him funny, "Hey man! Are you looking for someone?" He grinned, "Yeah! Billy told me to meet him at the campsite near the boat ramp!" "Okay, we don't know anyone named "Billy" but, ya want a burger? We've got plenty!" He hung out with us until his friend Billy came looking for him. Then they BOTH hung out with our group. We had better beer and cuter girls.😉 That was so typical for us, and the people we met. The whole point of going to the river or lake was to have fun, drink too much, and play bad music badly around a campfire. That was simpler, happier times in the 1980s.
the fact that there is video evidence of them assaulting Nick but no evidence of "Nick assaulting a woman" should be enough proof though. It's literally all on VIDEO of these kids assaulting and harassing this man!! If he goes to prison over this, someone should start a petition
These weren't kids. They were adults who chose to act like entitled little brats. He shouldn't be charged with anything. Those "adults" would be publicly shamed for such behavior. I'm tired of bad people doing whatever they want
So they deserve to be stabbed? He approached them and didnt say a word! if he approached pre-teens the way he approached these teens, you’d be singing a different tune! he never talked to them, never said anything! and started the fight
@@bonniedup5687 He stabbed people after he got punched in the face multiple times by multiple people who are a third of his age. They should have just stuck with bullying a nerd in their high school
17 isn't really a child in terms of mental and social comprehension of basic right and wrong. 17 year olds went to war in 1943. 17 year olds are treated like 5 year olds in 2024...and many behave as such. May Mr. Miu get a retrial and justice be done to those horrible young adults who will, lets face it, be 18in a few months and walk with even more ego through society.
Yes, and people don’t seem to realize that he could have “accidentally” died in a number of ways. The young people might have been on trail for manslaughter if Nic was knocked out into the water and drowned
@@motelghost477Like Dr. Grande said. The teenager's story was inconsistent. He might of pushed her off when they were all in his face. The girl had no injuries which tells me they lied.
Really. There were 20 people around. Do you really think everyone was going to stand around watching a man being held under water until death. It takes minutes not seconds to drown. Until death he would be thrashing around violently. A knife wound to the heart is silent, everyone was unaware and he was dead in seconds.
I saw all the videos of these young people on the witness stand and every time I thought that hopefully no such people will ever move into my neighbourhood. Their initial stories were all proven wrong by the video and they tried to evade telling the truth as best they could. The video with sound shows clearly how they enjoyed tormenting the man for sadistic pleasure, as drunk and drugged cowards do.
@@johnpatterson9037 What a dishonest set of lies you just spread. The men incited violence against him by shouting defamatory lies about him like claiming he was "looking for little girls". This did incite two women to go over to him. The women blocked and shouted at him without listening. They then assaulted and battered him on camera grabbing and pushing him several times. These men then shouted more lies about him and used them as an excuse to physically attack him. They pushed him down onto a rocky and gravelly river bed in a foot and a half of water. Easily enough to hold someone down in to drown. All while shouting even more lies They immediately punched him in the face while he was helpless on the ground. When he tried save himself by standing he was attacked from behind by another man in this pack of laughing hyenas. That man pushed him down again (and even admitted to it on the witness stand that he was trying to keep him down). Of course, the victim would think he was in a life or death situations. He managed to get up and face the new assailant but was still being pushed. He had a gang of 5 adult men attacking him simultaneously, joined in with a 17 year old. Harrassing him, attacking him physically with zero provocation. He was merely looking for a cell phone and googles. A cell phone they pretended to have at the beginning to tease him. It was only after all that they he stabbed the man who had just assaulted and battered him from behind.
@@TheMike5232 I'm trying to keep other "kids" from being stupid. Nobody where I'm from plays with the word pedo and jumps men for a drunken adventure. Cause they'll be legally toe tagged. In any SYG state this man would've at most been charged with lying or obstruction.
A relief to great your analysis. Subscribed. Thank you for speaking the truth for the victim who is now unjustly punished again but those who worked have defended him, other adults with authority.
Not guilty - the drunk and high kids were the aggressors, the drunks in the other party came over and continued the aggression despite knowing nothing and Nic defended himself. He is allowed to snorkle and his only fault was rushing up to their tubes when he thought he saw the phone. He said something to them prior to doing that but they were too drunk to understand him.
My dad told me once, "If you go looking for trouble, you're going to find trouble you weren't looking for." Sounds like they were looking for trouble and found trouble they weren't looking for.
@@jc71480 prehaps YOU need to pay attention. He approached them and was aggressive. When intimidation didnt work he pulled a knife.Kids didnt give two shits about him untill he barreled into the group.
He charged them aggressively, put his snorkle in his mouth to free his hands, touched the knife in his pocket, and proceeded to grab the tubes the teens were floating on, and continued to skulk around them menancingly. He did not explain why he was there, and invaded the teens space. The teens did not demonstrate aggression at this point, and it was clearly him who started aggressively charging and being menacing.
I think being in the water is a huge factor. It’s so easy to get sucker punched when there is a big group like that. If you get knocked out, no guarantee anyone is going to pull you out of the water.
@@brentdennard6722 I've noticed a lot of comments on various videos...saying that it's okay to use lethal force against drunk kids. So casual about it.
Correct, being knocked out you could even drown falling face down into 3-inch-flat water. There was a drunk guy on a bike the other night who fell from his bike and fell into a wet spot face down. He actually drowned because he fell unconscious and did not wake up.
Humans who are raised staring at personal screens, with parents who don't parent, and who spent little time in the real world while growing up may end up acting this way. I fear for the future if these kinds of people procreate.
He is 54 so he will die behind bars. Unless there is the unlikely chance of a retrial or successful appeal. And what message does this send out? A mob can surround a man, yell false accusations in his face, physically threaten him, taunt him. He lashes out in a panic and unfortunately there is a fatality and injuries. Instead of recognizing the context, the mob are treated like the victims and the original victim gets his life thrown away. So if you live in Wisconsin, better just let drunk teenagers hospitalize you rather than stand up for yourself.
He easily could have moved along and avoided the whole situation. Yes the young people were idiots but there wouldn’t have been a dead kid floating in the water if Nick had a bit of sense! He also went back to his group like nothing happened. That’s not normal. There’s so much imbalance in the comments here and in the broad commentary about this. If you were in his place, would you not have at least threatened the group with the knife first? The normal thing to do is pull a weapon out and clearly state that you will use it if the other person comes at you. It seems he just pulled it out and immediately started stabbing. What an insane disregard for human life! Y’all! TAKING A HUMAN LIFE IS HORRIBLE! Even in the worst case scenario where we feel like it’s us or them it SHOULD cause a normal person deep and devastating pain to end another person’s life! Legal “rights” aside, this is just a travesty and objectively wrong.
I'm certainly not going to say that he is innocent or blameless, but people need to learn that their actions can have consequences and to leave other people alone rather than taunting them when in a large group for "safety".
Dr Grande mentioned Nick was blocked from leaving in the conclusion, but didn't say that in the analysis. I'm confused, could Nick leave at any time or did the teens surround him?
It looked like he harassed them and accused them of stealing a phone, and then they retaliated by insulting him. So, it seems like you're blaming the victims. Ultimately, the smart move is typically to try to end the interaction when someone is acting in an aggressive manner out of the blue. But that doesn't mean it's the teens' fault that they were assaulted. It's natural for people to be upset when they're harassed and wrongfully accused of stealing. Expecting perfect behavior from victims in the face of being mistreated by a bad actor is unreasonable.
@@daggers101 He stabbed her first, before any physical altercation started. In the video when they say, he hit a woman, he had actually stabbed her. Then he gets pushed into the water.
Bullshit...These men/women Picked on a lone man...and they intimidated him, until he responded with force. Now they cry because they where taught a lesson in life.
@@danijel2045 he was pushed, not held down. he was NOT in immediate threat of danger of death which is why self defense claim failed. no one else brandished a weapon, and no one held him UNDER water the video I saw, at 1:38 there's a clear shot of his face, there's no fear. If he was scared his face would look different. There's a disconnect between what is going on and his expression. His eyes are not normal (stare) for what is going on. the jury saw the video, I bet you they saw that same stare I saw, dude was off... not normal.
@@danijel2045he was attacked so viciously that he only stabbed 4 out of the 5 boys slashed the girl and was uninjured .Get real if that creep did this to your child . Sniffing around your underage daughter and kills her boyfriend when he should have been minding his business with his group not creeping out the young girls trying to mingle with a story about a lost phone and it's not I give you an open handed slap and you use equal force to protect yourself by stabbing me even if I am an a-hole.
These guys didn’t just “harass” him - they instigated the entire thing, while drunk, to record it (“for the culture”), wouldn’t let him leave, attacked him, pushed him down to the water, tried to hold him in the water, and put their hands around his neck. Then they proceeded to lie in court, while the video proved they were lying. How is this happening?!
You are very wrong and obviously didn’t know the facts. Nick approached the teens about a missing phone. They continued to ask him to leave after they kept telling him they didn’t have the phone and didn’t see the phone. Nick was the initial aggressor. The jury found him guilty of murder! They got this one right!
@@candicane1 Miunthe right to go anywhere he pleased on a public river, looking for his phone. These guys should have either helped him, or gotten out of his way so he could look. They didn’t. They assaulted him. The “witnesses” were all caught lying because their testimony was at complete odds with the video evidence. One the video didn’t lie.
Honestly if I was surrounded by a group of aggressive, angry, drunk young adults engaging in mob behavior, I’d be terrified. But for it to happen while we’re all standing in a body of WATER..AND SOMEONE STARTS SHOVING? Now it’s absolutely a life or death situation.
@@Zepster77 uneven ground and rocks, knee deep is over your head if you fall. if you're knocked out you can die or receive brain damage very quickly. read a book, and go outside ffs uneducated and no common sense.
@@Zepster77 a lot of people have drowned in knee-deep water, the courts know that. Maybe you dont, but you wouldn't have known how much damage an old man could do to a mob either.
wow your so smrt. but you forgot that he inserted himself into the situation repeatedly. when you do that, you can never claim self defense, even in backwards states like texas.
@@ElChuntyCabrahow is this Biden’s America?? Honestly wtf dude People have been acting entitled for a Long time It has Nothing, I mean Nothing, to do with who the President is!! It is Society Not the President’s fault Your comment is Part of the problem People should take responsibility for THEIR actions and Not pawn it off on Anything other than that!! Actions have consequences…so, people Should know and understand that!! Politics doesn’t belong in Every Conversation See, I could point out that Trump and his minions Tried, unsuccessfully, to overthrow the government and throw out the Constitution…so that’s the reason this happened See Just how ludicrous that is??!!! Grow Up
Charging Nicolae Miu with first-degree intentional homicide is absurd. The state and prosecutor have gone way overboard with this charge and hopefully will come to regret it.
1. I don't know the law in Wisconsin so I don't know precisely what first degree intentional homicide means. 2. He would have been offered an opportunity to plead to lesser charge in all likelihood before going to trial. 3. Typically a murder statute has lesser, included charges and the jury could have found the accused guilty of something less than first degree. Second degree or even manslaughter. 5. His lying and his attempts to cover up the crime are going to weigh heavily in the charging and in the verdict.
There is no way that the jury is going to convict him of first degree murder. The prosecuting attorney really blew it when he charged him with that. At the most, he should have brought a manslaughter charge.
@@themagnumtodd in some jurisdictions they just have to show he formed intent before stabbing them ,but that intent need only be immediately before the act. even as little as a few seconds. it's a pretty riduculous law IMO. Looks like self -defense to me.
@@kitten88dm self defense isn’t murder. Murder is illegal premeditated homocide. At best what you’re suggesting is willing to commit manslaughter in the 1st.
@@kitten88dmi don’t believe it was simply willing. He didn’t go after people. He tried getting away. He didn’t go over to the group armed, he had not intended to kill.
The drunk teenagers amped up the encounter into a sick game where they toyed with Mr. Miu. Instead of treating an adult with respect (whatever happened to that concept?) they mentally and physically attacked him. It was group bullying by the 13 of them. They were a pack of laughing hyenas.
I have a real issue with this case. This entire Case could and should have been avoided by all parties involved. I agree w everyone that the teenagers verbally assaulted the defendant which is not a very becoming way for young men to act in any public setting- period. Then add in the consumption of alcohol and marijuana. And this group was a ticking time bomb. This group of kids became completely irrational bullies looking for a target. The defendant should have told his group that he needed help . and that he needed-assistance. they were all around 17 years old and were high. The kids were wrong and obnoxious but did they deserve to be murdered or severely injured? The answer is no.
@@anthonytabor210 Who the FK are you to think you can tell anyone where they can and can't go. That fatally flawed attitude will earn you what these 5 earned. Pray you never run into me with that attitude.
@@SpencerDonahue - He was convicted on lesser charges and what the hell were you talking about dying on some hill? Where did I say anything about his guilt or innocence? I only addressed the title of the video, so get out your feelings.
Mui struck a woman. He started it. Dante hit him defending her. Her glasses disappear at that point in the video when she is struck by him too which agrees with witness testimony. He pulled a weapon then started the fight. What a victim. The teens didnt touch him the whole time except Isaac pushed him at the very end after he stabbed the woman then the Carlson brother right in front of him. Neither of whom attacked Mui but Mui stabbwd them anyway. All of the teens stayed back none of them hit, struck, punched or kicked or held him. Your bias blinded you to facts. Bias like "mob" and "drunk teens". Mui told police he drank too many beers and had lots of alcohol... This is why jury found him guilty.
@@LL-wc4wn - Yeah, they found him guilty of the lesser charges. Don't respond to my comment as if I supported the dumbass when my comments clearly show that I didn't. I'm only pointing out that a young man lost his life over dumb shit where mature young adults could have easily avoided. Mui was a fool and an idiot, but he didn't start stabbing people until he got assaulted and knocked down. Bottom line, don't do heavy drinking in public, keep your damn hands to yourself, and walk away from any confrontation if possible. Young man dead at age 17 and everyone is concerned about who's fault it is when EVERYONE played a role in his death and the multiple injuries.
So they charged him with murder. What if he was an off duty police officer? This is sad but true but I know how the blue line operates. A police officer defending himself would have been deemed justified. Sick of this ass backwards justice system of ours
His charges are not right! He was surrounded by a group of people bothering him. They pushed him and assaulted him. What if someone tried to drown him!?
Ok fine, it's verbal abuse, but if you think verbal abuse warrants physical abuse with a deadly weapon, then you should be locked up for the good of society (those of us with IQs above 80)
@@jeffbarnes2703Verbal assault that turned into physical assault/threats of physical assault. If you are being assaulted, you are allowed to defend yourself. Did you even watch the video? The OP is correct. The word bullying minimizes the actions of the group. Just like jugging is a cutesy word for armed robbery.
@@mitzloo1933 Not with lethal force unless you have a good reason to assume you're going to die from the assault. This is not to mention that he had the chance to flee.
@@phoenixmerridian9119 I don't think "common sense" is written anywhere in the law but, when you do things that lack common sense you often find out. It's like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, wearing short pants & flip flops. You often get away with it but, eventually you find out. That's what happened here.
So let me get this straight - these teens were underage drinking, wasted out of their minds and also high, unprovokedly taunted a man with false, serious criminal accusations, pushed him to the river and physically assaulted him and held him down. One person even had their hands around his neck, and the group was easily capable of drowning him. Yet, when he defended himself against 13 people, 6 of who were physically attacking him… HE was the criminal. Makes total sense.
@@desktorp after they claimed he hit someone. Both parties lied. So the FACTS are in the video, period. And they were a violent, menacing mob against one man. There IS no arguing that. Self defense.
Lack of empathy. That's a massive problem among the younger generations. The additive nature of having cell phones and young people using them for hours and hours a day have been proven to have lowered the ability of young people to feel and experience empathy - up to 30% and even more.
I watched the whole case intently, and as I read through these comments, it makes me doubt the sanity of Americans. And then I remember how a psychopath was elected president.
This! They had to be up close to him in order to be even touched by the knife. At no point is he using the knife in a threatening manner. He is simply holding it in his hand because he’s in fear. He did not hold the knife up or wield the knife at any of the kids as if looking to purposely stab him. No one knows what Nicolas when though in his home country or what kind of trauma he had been through in his past. This is just sick.
@@Truelib99Hobbesagreed. At no point do I see him using the knife. It appears he is just holding it and then gets pushed and puts his arms out and that’s when it occurs.
@@slashstabslice8672 it is interesting that you are alluding to weakness. I would like to hear what you would do in this situation when you were outnumbered 8 to 1:00 by a bunch of drunken teenagers who are physically and verbally assaulting you? How would you handle that exactly? Do you realize how much water it takes for a person to actually drown in?
he was pushed in less than 12" of water. So your conclusion of his "huge fear of drowning" is just supporting misinformation to match your own conclusions. In a case like this, we should stick only to the facts. And I hope that the jury will do this.
@@danconatser8699 Exactly, tell me you can't be drowned in 12 in of water if your face is held down in it. Thankfully, in this case our defender didn't have to wait for that to happen he was able to defend himself effectively despite several assailants keep coming after him.
Miu is the sadist, correct? or is it everyone here in the comments that thinks this guy was justified to stab these kids to death for calling him names.? yup.
You are absolutely right ---St. Nick should not have been arrested ---he should have walked away from it and not committed those violent injuries for which he was arrested ---the details of what he was arrested for are what prove he is guilty of murder
I have yet to see a prosecution witness who elicits any sympathy in this trial. In general, a bunch of drunken underage kids picked the wrong guy to mess with.
The worst part of this story are the prosecutors who clearly identify with the bully group, and not with Nic. This is becoming a HUGE problem in our Legal system. Can you address this sometime Dr. G?
I am in no way excusing the teenagers’ behavior, but Nick could have acted like an adult and walked away early on. They were ALL intoxicated. Hopefully, parents will use this as a learning scenario for their teens.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for expressing so eloquently what I believe. I watched every second of the court proceedings. I’m heart broken for Mr. Miu. This was a grave injustice that needs to be fixed. I found it difficult to feel empathy for the bullies. Watching a human beaten and persecuted by an out of control mob is triggering and painful. My empathy is 100% in Mr. Miu’s favour. May justice prevail.
I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. What was he supposed to do, give the benefit of the doubt to an angry mob that was threatening to knock him unconscious in a river?
I absolutely think these entitled teenagers got themselves into this mess. Its terrible that one young man died and others were injured. The man was absolutely pushed to defend himself! I've been in the middle of a group of mean taunting teenagers and I was terrified. Just because he lied doesn't change the facts! Id be afraid that if I told my side they would still prosecute me too. I feel for the family of the young man who was killed. But I don't have any empathy for the rest of that group!
But he had to know that the police was going to find him eventually. By not mentioning it to his wife, did he plan to just go home and forget about it.?
I feel bad for the 17 year old who died because it's over for him. He can't come back and say " I'm sorry, it was our fault." Ironically, he may have been the first to say so because he had his hand on Nick's throat. He may have been thankful he survived if he had, unlike all the others who are busy trying to garner sympathy for getting hurt in a really stupid game.
Yeah, this is why you don't watch people on UA-cam to get your news. Dude completely misrepresented the case and this guy got a guilty verdict yesterday.
@@stoptryingtomakemeusemynam7829 it's based on the law. that state requires you retreat but per what I read , they have evidence he lied to police and even changed appearance to distance himself form the event. you stab 5 ppl and keep tubing? that's not normal.
@@DEBSWickman Yep. The guy had his knife out before he'd been touched too. A normal person afraid enough to pull out a knife would back away, but he didn't. Not self-defense.
It’s complete BS .. those kids were instigating the entire thing , they harassed & assaulted him & he had no choice but to defend himself , his health issues would be considered by ANY individual that was under such a attack .. those kids parents ? Should be the ones arrested & charged
In a high stress situation, when you are attacked by grown men in a situation where they are intoxicated and using a gang attack, the stress and adrenalin would possibly prevent any measured thought for the attacked person, Nick Miu, to even consider that they might technically be under age, technically under the age of 18. Nick looks over 50 and we know that as an engineer doing technical work, he was in no position to take on one young robust sub 18 male. Sub adult is not really a good description? These were adults cloaked under a legal umbrella of age by years. Who caused it? If these young men had not gang attacked this man and pursued him in the water after he was down this never would have happened.
I have to say that you’re right. I have one 17 year old son and I’m 53. If we had a fight he would win. He says, “You always threaten me with money.” I say, “Yeah buddy, that’s all I have left.”
It should not be lost here, that two females got in his face escalating the situation with a guy they could not take on themselves. They counted on this baiting the victim AND the other males in the group. This is an all too common tactic of “karens” escalating a confrontation where they end up unscathed and the men are the ones that are injured or die.
This case is shedding light on just how disturbed our society has become. These "kids" were like a pack of wild animals converging on someone they perceived as weak for nothing more than recording, bullying and satisfying their own sense of superiority. Wild animals act out of self-preservation, for the most part. These "kids" were doing it for fun. They deserve charges.
Teenage bullies have always been capable of mob violence. Google "Glen Ridge rape case". The difference here is 1) They were caught on camera doing this, and 2) they targeted a white male adult. Back in the 1950s, they knew to target people of sufficiently low social status they knew wouldn't dare to report them. People of color. Members of the LGBT+ community. Women and girls who didn't have wealthy and powerful families. Poor people in general.
@@cremdilly7176 If someone dies because of such behavior. Then they can be charged with manslaughter. This will be an interesting case to watch as it unfolds if Nick is found not guilty.
I agree, people really don’t understand the dynamics of poor footing. Especially when the prospect of being drowned in Shin, high water is a real prospect. I would’ve personally given those kids some warning about approaching me, but the whole thing was bizarre to say the least, and no one involved is totally blameless for their behavior.
He had already stabbed the girl before being pushed into the water...now tell me who has the right to defend? Why is everyone missing that detail and focusing on him being pushed and slapped down into the water?
Nick was drunk too. He started it all. Alcohol is clearly a huge factor here. He blocked their tubes and could have walked away any time. The boys should not have taunted him but he surely didn’t need to be stabbing anyone.
@@kylehanson4717 he started nothing, he was looking for a phone and got attacked for no reason... hi did not stab anyone before he got attacked by several people, knocked down onto his back in shallow water deep enough to drown! he defended himself! the jury is deliberating as we speak.
@@ralphbooger4756 homie is guilty and everyone defending him is whack af list of the facts: He approached this group, got into their personal space first, grabbed their tubes, and dropped his own damn snorkel because he had both hands on their tube. They told him to leave multiple times before anyone had touched him. He just made creepy faces and refused to go on his way. He brandished his knife and had it in his hand before anyone touched him. You can’t see it in the video, but he did hit one of the girls before he was pushed into the water, as evidenced by her sunglasses being on her face just a moment prior and then missing when she comes into frame again. THAT’S when they started yelling at him and pushed him into the water. This is when he sliced up the first guy’s stomach (in the orange shorts) and disemboweled him. He then stabs the girl in the bikini in the back, when she wasn’t even facing him. At this point people realize he is going on a stabbing spree and begin to run away. Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one. Then he calmly walks away as if nothing happened, discards the knife in the trees (conscious knowledge of guilt and disposal of evidence), and then walks to the opposite side of the river to rejoin his group. He did not try get help, for himself or any of his victims. Instead he convinced his group to continue their float down the river and left the victims for dead. After getting out of the water, he changed his clothes to disguise himself and then lied multiple times to police, because he didn’t know there was video of the encounter.
really stupid question - do people who work in court have to have counseling often? I cant fathom being around that stuff - especially working at some place like CourtTV (i know its not what you do but just as an example)
@@TR-707 That's a good question! I wonder if professionals working in criminal courtrooms ever get used to the horrible things they see and hear. They are stronger than me, because I know I'd fall apart. I have great respect for people who do these jobs. I feel that way about nurses and EMT also. I know I don't have what it takes to do those jobs, and few do.
The whole thing is he had a knife to a push fight. Walk away & call the cops. Do not stab 5 people while standing. They did not pile on him. If he had fought them with his hands, he would not be charged for murder. Everyone wouldve been charged for assualt on eachother.
ive rafted on the Apple River drunk kids are there all the time harrassing people, and when one tries to defend yourself they gang up on you..this guy was a victim ive been watching the trial and all these kids crying and whining claiming they are the victim with so much video out there I doubt he will be found guilty...
You "rafted"?? . No Rafts are not allowed on the Apple River. Only Tubes or you can rent a large "cow water bin". No, he ran up to them. Watch the entire trial not just snippets. Also, it all happened in a few minutes, no time to think. He is guilty of killing someone and injuring 4. He needs to go to jail. Maybe not for murder but he is guilty of causing the death of another
The entire group was taunting, belittling, and bullying him. That part was all the way messed up! I could see the kids treating their fellow class mates this way.
Why are they bullies if he is the one who rushed at them and flipped their tubes? Most groups of people would have beat him up the moment he rushed at them. They showed restraint and only called him names. Then he either pushed or punched a girl which escalated everything. He had plenty of time to leave but he chose to stay and stab people. He killed one. Stabbed another just below the heart. Practically disemboweled another. He chose that instead of just walking away like the kids asked him to.
@@GizmoMaltese you got some of those wrong. And besides, the area is not the gang’s personal property. If they are that disturbed by him as the innocent “kids” they are, they could have chosen to walk away from him instead and report him to authorities. You corner a one single guy with high numbers like cowards, he has every right to fight like hell. Knife would be meaningless if he was against 1-2 people max. How many was he against again?
@@triggerskull Why would they have to move around when he came to their area? It'll be different if he had to be in their area. Which he didn't, because his group wasn't even near him and when you break it down, nobody in his group wanted him to go and look for that phone. He insisted which I think is because he wanted to see and be near young college girls him claiming that he was just in the area looking for a phone is a cover, but regardless when they started insulting him, he should've walked away and continue doing what the fuck he was doing at the end of the day and that's why his ass is in jail simply because he didn't walk away. Smh
Finally conmon sense! Thank you Jason! Nic runs up and grabs the legs of 2 guys near their privates causing everyone to bail off their tubes! Nic stays has his hand on the knife the whole time smiling like a wierdo before hitting the girl to start a fight where he can stab others with the knife. He should have left and headed down river a ways and signaled his crew to bring his tube! Even a guy from his crew knew he would be precieved as a wierdo pedo! Nic was told not to look for the phone, he was on the wrong side from where it was lost. Only one guy from his crew called 911 or gave aid to the VICTIMS! Nic lied over and over, he hid the knife, he hid himself, he knew he was guilty of murder, and he even said his life was over in the police interview! I enjoy DR Grande but he is wronge big time and the sheep obviously didn't watch the whole trial and see ALL the evidence. Nic was not scared as he had his hand on his knife he smiled a sick smile before starting the fight. When is it okay to hit girls! That is the one thing that was consistant whether people forgot open or closed hand or whatever after seeing their friends die or have their guts falling out they saw Nic strike her in the face period! Nic's own friends lied about what they did and saw to protect him, so don't be too hard on anyone especially when the teens didn't murder anyone! Thanks for standing up to the social mob on here!
@TheTuttleCrew yeah I honestly don't know how they overlooked looked this In the video either corruption at its best or clear ignorance, but it's visually clear that before any alteration or physical assault occurred this man had already taken out his knife and was prepping. I spent hours watching it over and over and if I was able to catch it with out all the technologies to bring it micro seconds really gets you thinking did they actually miss it. More like they took advantage of it to make a quick and closed case.
Nick didn't get the memo that in America, a person is supposed to not defend one's self and be a victim in the hopes of later calling the law to make a report which will go nowhere.
America has the most liberal self defence laws in the world, you have got to be a maggit-einstein. Rittenhouse ffs in America you can shoot someone with a rifle in the street you had no business being in and still be a hero... give your head a wobble son.
Self Defense = Suspension/Expulsion (If you punch a bully you're the one punished), manslaughter/murder charges if it's a fatal (and your life was in danger), assault (felony on your record because you defend yourself) cops are getting imprisoned for shooting a suspect with a knife or a firearm, and our justice system allows criminals and hooligans to be a protected class but law abiding citizens are the ones punished.
Crowd violence is one of my deepest fear. If people taunting and threatening me like what happened here, I would also lost myself and do whatever possible to keep me safe.
Would you not notify police, lie many many times, lie about the kids having knives, stash the murder weapon, and when arrested pretend not to know what the whole event was about?
@@jayAh635 why should he? Is it their private property? They are that threatened by this man as the “innocent little kids” they are, they could have chosen to walk away and call the authorities instead.
Back in '93, Panama City, I knew a kid, Donnie, a 17-year-old, who was stabbed in the chest when he and his friends decided to gang up on who they thought was defenseless. Donnie died on the spot and the one who was being attacked was found innocent for self-defense. If he didn't have a knife on him, Donnie and his friends would've pummeled him. I always keep a knife on me wherever I go except for airports and courthouses.
7:52 He lied about a lot more than him not having a knife. He lied to the police and said 2 of the teens had knives and were threatening him with it. He lied saying that he grabbed one of the boys and twisted his arm taking his knife and that's the knife he used to stab him. This makes me question his intentions quite a bit.
@@StruggleBus_Captain And I missed the part in the video where the guy did anything that warranted them calling him a pedophile looking for little girls!
Ha, same. I saw some clips of the trial yesterday or day before and thought it sounded much different. Glad to have this detailed and reasoned context and analysis.
You look at teenagers and think, no way psychopaths were kids once! That's how it works, those girls were the same, they were taunting him yelling fire... incredible how everybody think these kids shouldn't be sent to Mars yesterday.
Issac pushed him after he noticed he was stabbing people. And Nickoli Miu stabbed him across his chest, killing him. Isaac was not taunting or doing anything to him. He never said anything to him he was just standing there with his friends. He was trying to save anyone else from getting hurt and lost his life. Yes, Nickoli is guilty of reckless homocide and a couple of attemped homocides. He could have easily walked away and was starting to walk away but came back because he was angry for being called a SAer. Yes, it was appalling that they were being so rude and accusing him falsely of being a pdophile but he didn't have to come back after he started walking away and start stabbing people.
The young adults didn’t just harass the older man, they assaulted him. They put hands on him and even pushed his head under water. It was a gang mentality.
The stabber was the first one to strike another person in the altercation. Their behavior was beyond undignified but he did escalate the situation from words to assault.
@@desktorp There is sufficient precedent to support his actions to be defense when surrounded by a mob of individuals who are displaying aggressive behavior and verbal assaults. Self defense is justified in certain situations before any physical assualt takes place. If this wasnt the case, you would never be able to "stop" or "defend" your self from an attack if you must allow it to occur in the first place.
@@desktorp They surrounded him and told him to leave while leaving no avenue of escape. They pushed him down into the water and went he tried to get up they pushed him back down. It’s all fun and games and “ok boomer” until the old man you’re attacking tries to defend himself.
I am fifty years old and basically stories like this are _literally_ why over the years I've found myself developing some "social anxieties" or whatever it is that fifty year-old men aren't supposed to whine about whenever I'm in public these days.
@@phoenixmerridian9119He went over looking where his friends phone was dropped in the water. When he was looking for the phone they grabbed the snorkel he was using and tossed it. That's what started it.
@@phoenixmerridian9119he didn’t run up to them. He was helping look for his friend’s phone that had been dropped while they were on the river. You don’t even know the story.
Imagine going to prison for trying to help your friend find their lost phone because some asshole called you a pedophile, tried to expose you to their friends by pulling down your swim trunks and then attacking you in a group armed with knives, you disarm one of them and fight back. Such a disgrace of the justice system.
If you have time to consider the evidence presented I think you'll agree that the group wasn't armed with knives and he didn't need to "disarm" them. Nic lied about those things. And Nic knew he had used his own knife in the attack. He lied about that too.
The friend TOLD him not to as the phone was covered by insurance. He went to look for lost jewelry, then, most likely in a sarcastic way, replied to the kids "i'm looking for little girls". We have not seen the other side presentation
Disarm them? Lol he's the only one that had a knife. You need to watch the court videos again I think if you've watched them at all. Coward hit a woman first, and brought a knife to a fist fight. He easily could've walked away he was looking for trouble
@@ChristoverMarxfortheWin let's play agame. Go and actually watch the video...then, come back and tell me who's choking "Nick" in the video. You will clearly see hands on the throat of "Nick". I'll wait 🤡
Are we living in bizarro world now? He approached this group and got into their personal space first. He grabbed their tubes, and dropped his own damn snorkel because he had both hands on their tube. They told him to leave multiple times before anyone had touched him. He just made creepy faces and refused to go on his way. He brandished his knife and had it in his hand before anyone touched him. You can’t see it in the video, but he did hit one of the girls before he was pushed into the water, as evidenced by her sunglasses being on her face just a moment prior and then missing when she comes into frame again. THAT’S when they started yelling at him and pushed him into the water. This is when he sliced up the first guy’s stomach (in the orange shorts) and disemboweled him. He then stabs the girl in the bikini in the back, when she wasn’t even facing him. At this point people realize he is going on a stabbing spree and begin to run away. Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one. Then he calmly walks away as if nothing happened, discards the knife in the trees (conscious knowledge of guilt and disposal of evidence), and then walks to the opposite side of the river to rejoin his group. He did not try get help, for himself or any of his victims. Instead he convinced his group to continue their float down the river and left the victims for dead. After getting out of the water, he changed his clothes to disguise himself and then lied multiple times to police, because he didn’t know there was video of the encounter. This guy is an absolute psychopath, and no matter how loudly those kids were yelling at him, he initiated this encounter, refused to leave their space, and drew his weapon before anyone had touched or threatened him.
@@mckernan603bro he didn’t rush them in the beginning he tripped and fell into the tube. He never assaulted them he pushed one woman away after she grabbed him pulling him violently. This guy had just had a triple bypass heart surgery and was 51 years old. They were harassing him then jumped him as soon as he tried to push one of them away. This is obviously self defense and if he is found guilty of murder then don’t ever go to Wisconsin because if your attacked you cannot protect yourself without fear of being arrested. This whole trial is a travesty.
@@hydrostatic8048 FAFO still doesnt imply 2 group of losers. FAFO is when 1 party is being stupid and pay the price. Everybody was stupid on this river that day, everybody lost something and would probably go back to the day before. Thats aint FAFO
I listened to the instigator of this event when he testified. He called a stranger a pedo, ramped up the accusations, involved another group of strangers, and then retreated to stand back and revel in the chaos he had created. He then filmed himself pretending to be shocked instead of trying to offer assistance. That is who should be on trial. Classic sociopath yelling fire in a theater.
Didn't he film the chaos and then took a selfie? True sociopath.
I completely agree…exactly what I thought!
Ok Boomer 😂
Wrong. Watch the entire thing. Nik , maybe jokingly, said I am looking for little girls, according to many witnesses. He could have walked away. I have been down that rive many times tubing. so I know how shallow it is there) That man rushed the group,, he instigated, never said a word with a crazy blank stare, could have left, and if scared, could have showed his knife and said "I will defend myself". No, he hid it and went on a stabbing spree.
@@WoodyWard Great rebuttal there, champ
Even when i was a teenager i hated other teenagers
I feel seen.
@@gyneve Ditto.
Same. I always thought they were morons.
THIS!!!
Yes! Teenagers & young adults (because they still act like teenagers) act like idiots in groups, esp if they are under the influence.
When social media skills meet real life.
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Underrated comment.
Too many have been getting away with it for too long “saying whatever they want without risking getting punched in the mouth” through a touchscreen. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Pretty much
Meet a psychopath 💯
I'm so glad to see so many others in these comments with common sense. As a guy approaching 50 myself, this case intrigued me. What would I do in that situation? I watched the trial and was in complete shock when he was convicted.
I also hate how the media presented this. I first felt sympathy for the kids, but all of that changed once I saw the video.
It’s 60. Watch the police interview and see if it changes your mind. What would you do if you really feared for your life? He tossed the knife on the shore immediately following the stabbing, denied any involvement with the event initially, lied about all the details of the incident during the police interview. I completely agree with the verdict. If you want to see a miscarriage of justice take a look at MN supreme court’s latest self defense verdict involving knives and public transit.
You'd stab them? Serious bro? Learn non lethal self defense and learn how to de-escalate. I've witnessed situations like that before the stabbing occured and seen them de-escalated quickly without violence or done it myself. It's not a war zone. There are so many other options, and look, they're yuppie ass kids, they're not going to be a death threat in the slightest. If you fear everything sure they might, but thats your imagination and I don't get the catastrophic thinking. It's nothing like the kids I WOULD have wanted a weapon around growing up myself.
I'm not for discourse and I'm not trying to have a go at you either, but this comment section has me sighing dude. It feels like alot of people here will tell themselves anything to justify to killing people. I watched the videos, I watched the court docs, not once in that situation, did I feel like it escalated to a point where the "self defense" you are alluding too was ever necessary even if I thought those kids were dumb as hell. People saying "fuck with the wrong person" but in all honestly in my experience, its people who aren't prepared, out of their depth or have never been in those situations are the most unpredictable where other people would have not seen it worth their time. Its like a movie to them and it snowballs. Met alot of rough bastards in my time and honestly not one of them would have got a knife out, unless they wanted to go to jail.
Granted, not everyone has the ironic privelage of growing up cautious, but non lethal action needs to be essential and it can stop situations becoming way worse. Not everything is solved with a gun or a knife, especially just dealing with young assholes. If you're 50, you can walk away knowing they're naieve as hell and will learn in time. None of this "ive watched the joker so many times I think Im in a revenge flick and my time will come to teach the unsuspecting folk who cross me because the internet has got my back!"
The comments making it political too, goddamn, its sad. It really says alot about peoples fragility, and just what seems like a fear of everything and how far gone people actually are to just make something political any moment they get a chance too aswell. I just find it kind almost pathetic how unaware you'd have to be to think that in that scenario with a bunch of yuppie middle class kids around around, that you can size everyone up and think to yourself the only way out is to stab people. You know full well what a knife is going to do when you are making stabbing motions with it. So, when you do that, you need to accept the consequences that come with it. The guy here is very much learning that.
how were you in shock lol, this was obviously not valid self-defense. I would know, I have a texas LTC.
@@tactilecola5709 Yes it was. They ganged up on him.
You're just being emotional.
Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups
Drunk people at that. Mob mentality.
Dirty kids, find dirty man,
Kids die, get stabbed, man lives, goes to jail.
Pack mentality is a scary thing...
“But Democracy democracy democracy wait what are we protesting about again?”
It’s “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
A lot of young people these days seem to think they can just disrespect people with no consequences.
People have lost their filters for sure.
It's not just young people. People of all ages in America are acting like this. It's ridiculous.
Monkey see, monkey do. They have learned that it's okay to harass people from somewhere. The generations above them aren't necessarily any different from them.
A reflection of their poor upbringing. They got what they asked for.
A lot of old people these days seem to think they can play judge jury and executioner because their ego is wounded
Why wasn't the person who attempted to pull his bathing suit down charged with sexual assault? How is it possible that none of these teenagers got charged?
IKR
Because they're all being painted as innocent victims. Half of them aren't even teens! They're in their early 20's.
Because I think Nick made up that story.
Because there is no person who attempted to pull his bathing suit down.
@@BeautifulMeadow164How are you sure of that?
They didn't harass him. They ATTACKED HIM.
One of them had his hand around Miu's neck, when the knife came out.
And now that kid is dead. He messed with the wrong "old guy" and learned the hard way not to bully people
F around and find out
The guy with his hands on his neck was Issac Schuman who died. This is a miscarriage of justice.
@castanza128 bs the guy pushed, punched, or otherwise did something to the bikini girl. He went jumping over and through the kids aggressively, got in their face, and instigated the whole thing and then stabbed them for retaliating. The kids were trashy as hell but you still can't stab them to death. Wtf.
@@trex1448
Seems like you are filling in a lot of blanks with your own guesses.
But we can clearly see in the video that the man is being pushed down in the water when the knife came out.
I don't have any duty to let you drown me.
If you try to drown me, I will become stabby, too.
If you don't discipline your children, someone else will.
💯
There's no hate like christian love
That is one way to think about it. It’s a very sad situation. Sending love and strength to all who were impacted. ❤️
Right wing parents push for disembowelment to replace the 5 minute timeout for children, claiming it's outlined in the bible, part of the whole children respecting their parents thing.
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Fantastic statement
This man felt threatened. I am 56 years old, and being surrounded by 13 people would scare me so badly! Especially if they were younger than me and drunk, taunting.
His group was nearby though. He went there twice.
@@normarojo5834 they blocked him from getting over to his group
and his health was not great.... he had had open heart surgery the year? before?
ur father failed you
@@trailrunner9254 years ago
Note to self... Avoid approaching all humans at all times.
No, you don't have to avoid everyone, just the loud and obnoxious ones. Or the super quiet ones who feel shady. I mean, you never really know who is dangerous, so... Yeah, avoid all humans.
My husband and I flew commercial recently, I told him before we left to not make eye contact with strangers.
It’s sad that things are so out of control right now. I don’t know what happened to people, but common courtesy seems to be a thing of the past.
@@dizzymindy6024 Not making eye contact with strangers almost makes you invisible in hostile situations. It works wonders.
Thanks for the advise!
@@dizzymindy6024 Exactly. You can't even look at some people without them going off.
Ultimately, he was found guilty of all 6 charges. It was a big win for bullies and harassers.
Well didn't OJ Simpson get away with 2 murders? It happens.
@@diane4537 Yes, but he did lose his last fight recently.
you cant kill someone for making fun of you for 30 seconds.
Very sad
That is horrifying, and it makes me embarrassed to be from Wisconsin.
Free Nick Miu.
This case reminds me of something that happened to me which could easily have gone South. I had walked down this trail to go to a swimming hole I had been too many times before. It wasn’t warm enough yet to swim but I liked going there just to chill and listen to music. It was midweek during the workday so there wasn’t really anyone else around. As I made my way down the trail I noticed a backpack along with some fishing gear leaning against a tree right next to the trail. When I looked down the thickly wooded hill to my left I could see some guy wading in the creek fishing. I figured the stuff was his and just kept heading down the trail without thinking much more about it.
I eventually got to my destination, threw on my headphones and just chilled out as planned. About ten minutes later I saw some guy walk out of the woodline with a fishing pole. I immediately recognized him as the fisherman and figured he was looking to drop a line in the swimming hole as its a pretty good spot. So I just gave him a small wave of acknowledgment and nodded my head. But he continued to walk towards me and I could tell he was saying something?
So I took out my ear buds. He was young guy about 25 with long curly hair and a muscular build. Looked like he definitely worked out. Thats when he spoke to me. He asked “Hey man. Did you happen to see a backpack and some fishing gear? I left it up in the woods and cant find it. Ive got all my stuff in there. My wallet and everything.” Immediately I didn’t like the energy that was coming off of him. His question was more accusatory than anything else. So I said yeah I saw it. I described exactly what I saw, that I saw him fishing, and that it was leaning against a tree right next to the trail. He kinda looked at me for a second and said “Cool. Thanks.” Then he walked off towards the trail. He came back about five minutes later only this time he’s much more animated. He says he couldn’t find it. So im thinking how could he not find it?? I mean its right there! Only a blind man could miss it! Now I could tell he’s convinced himself that I stole it. He starts giving me the third degree. Do you live around here? What’s your name? All that stuff. So now im getting pissed. Im out here just trying to enjoy my day. This trail and swimming hole is practically my backyard and I got this stupid absent minded guy basically accusing me if stealing his stuff. Keep in mind its just us in the middle of the woods and flip phones had only recently become a thing. I dont even think there were cell towers up in this area. So I had a choice. I could tell this guy to F off and risk getting into a fight or something worse. And judging by his physique I wouldn’t have had much of a chance without any weapon. Scenario two. He walks away cursing me and eventually calls the cops. Or scenario three which would cause me to swallow my pride and check my ego a bit and walk this dumb SOB to where his gear is. Ruining my otherwise chill day. I chose option three.
So I asked him how far down the trail he went to search? And it was obvious he didn’t go far enough. I told him to follow me and I’ll show him exactly where his stuff is. Sure enough after a very long, tense and silent walk there was his stuff exactly where I said. Leaning on that tree right next to the trail. He says, “Oh. Thanks.” No apology or anything. Thats when I told him in the future he should pay closer attention to where he leaves his stuff and not be so quick to judge and accuse people. Immediately he got defensive. “I didnt accuse you!! I didn’t accuse anyone! Where the Hell did you get that from!?” I said, “You know what forget it. Im outta here.” And I split. That whole situation could have easily gone South like with these kids. And its often all about ego. Everyone seems so quick to fight these days. Rational thought is just gone.
Hmm 😮😢👿😢🥶😡🐢👿
Sorry about that mate, I really thought you stole my backpack!
lol- your story was not even close to the current one in any way i can see. But it was a cool story, the only thing i'd add is that = the world is not going to just mesh with the peaceful zen mode you got going in your own mind, that's vanity and thinking your special or the world circles your butt - not the other way around. you have to be like bruce lee used to say like water, adapt to the many moving parts of this world like that guy with his missing stuff, his head was slightly spaced out, no doubt and being a built muscular specimen like all body building types, they tend to think different than intellectuals and the rest, so having patience and showing the time it takes to lead someone to the right path in life, or to their lost personal items is a credit to you and is at the least what christ would want you to do - at the least. So slow your roll and give people plenty of space to prove to you - THEY ARE BAD, or are def going to f... you over then you will be good and mad, and they will be justly dealt with by yourself so relax and always remind yourself in this world you are a grain of sand on a beach just be patient chilled out and flow my friend. p.s. this case is complicated, i think the kids got that adjustment they needed, but i don't like the way he bull dogged his way over to their inflated tires looking for his phone, like they took it or were trying to hide it, and they had no choice about him bull dogging over to sniff around...that was weird and stupid, i guess your man in the woods did the same thing to you, now i'm seeing what i think you were seeing in both cases. O.k then i read your message loud and clear now, if that guy did that with you then both him and nico the russian were wrong for that much no doubt, good thing you handled it different than these kids.
Yeah, it is all about knowing when to fight and when to fold. Most people don't like being insulted, but if you know you couldn't take someone in a fight, and they look hotheaded, it isn't worth it to get into a fight, and you would never convince him that he was wrong anyway.
@@NickyBlue99 Its all good man. 😆
Moral of the story: Don't be a bully
The moral is when there are mouthy teens and you walk away stay away.
On the basis of a main principle: don't commit murder.
You can bully Westerners.
Slavic people are a bit different.
Well, some of my relatives look Slavic, but they are Persians/Aryans - Central Asia/Middle East.
The guys with blue eyes & blond hair & baby face, but all like Khabib.
* They all have a knife.
Morale is raise your kids as parents instead of trying to be "cool" friends with them
@@georgehasleftthebuilding6621
I think the moral of the story is the Western Culture.
Immigrants didn't grow up in a passive-aggressive culture.
I had a hard time assimilating.
We don't have passive-aggressive people.
It's either aggressive or not.
Why were these kids not arrested for gang assault?
....or better yet felony murder. I mean Issac Shewman lost his life during the group committing a felony( placing Mr Miu in immediate fear for his life). If anyone should have been charged with murder, it should have been the group that was assaulting Nick
Because in the USA society values the least important age group.
@@Vale0x3
What in the sweet fresh hell are you trying to imply?
@@TecTitan - There's no such thing as "sweet fresh hell". You're not "edgy", Suzy.
@TecTitan obviously in the west, the adults pretend that minors are the most important age group. They literally add nothing to society as minors.
I completely agree.
And on a side note:
How come the state saw no need whatsoever to charge the group for the illegal consumption of alcohol and other drugs, as well as for harassing, bullying, terrorizing and finally physically assaulting Mr. Miu?
And an expired inspection sticker!
Exactly
Nic already was the judge, jury and executioner.
I guess my question would be why was the man grabbing a woman by the head and hitting her and then I'll be in in a brawl they were adults. This whole thing makes me sick. It's just being in the wrong place and that poor mother that told her son no you go with your friends tubing instead of picking up your dad at the airport. Can you imagine living with that.
Its a 200$ fine, who gives a F really. A teenagers died because a man's ego was bruised. You people are ridiculous. Theres no such hate as Christian love.
He was surrounded, and assaulted. In one angle it appeared that someone had put pressure on the top of his head, preventing him from lifting his head above the water. This was Self Defense.
He also got choked and that's when he started defending himself with the knife. You can see it in the video.
Nope, watch the video. Better yet, watch the trial.
@@theinnerlight8016all the better reason to walk away…which he chose not to do…at several opportunities. Guilty.
@@alysecoleman2538 yup.
And I did. Over, and over again. And…
I am…
@@bluejava9397by the time he would’ve realised his life is in danger he couldn’t walk away? He had no reason to leave beforehand
My personal experience as a cave diver who frequently visited various backwoods watery places, getting through the locals was sometimes part of the thrill and danger of the dive experience. Not only were you worried about vandalism of your vehicle you even had to worry that they would steal your equipment, left in shallower water & necessary for proper decompression from these dives. The sites were generally filthy with strewn trash, beer bottles and diapers. Some sites were located on abandoned property or state forest land so there was no one to assist in case things went south. Some areas had no cell service either. Non of those teenage fools would have been acting that way had they not had their mob with them.
The reason not to go into those situations.
@@ld3418 Or the reason for them to graduate 7th grade, behave with a little dignity and basic human respect, and stay the fuck away from people, mind their own business, and not touch shit that doesn't belong to them. All things I'm sure you'd be agreeing with had it been your property being disturbed.
Important point - they wouldn't have behaved the way they did without their mob with them. The psychology of a mob is a unique and unfortunate thing...
The Apple River is a popular tourist destination for people to go tubing. People from all over Minnesota and Wisconsin go there. It's not some "backwoods" river full of "locals".
Yup! And being drunk and/or stoned is typical behavior too. High school groups from all over the Twin Cities, every summer, for over 40+ years (class of 1977 myself).
Pretty sure my buds would have been freaked by some old guy coming up to us with a snorkel and creepy non-explanation
These punk young adults harassed him? This man was attacked by a pack of jackals. It's a disgrace that he is charged with first degree murder. He never went out that day with the intention of killing somebody. This is self-defense. How did he not know that they were not going to drown him?
No. The video exists. He walks into the river with a knife. That's attacking not defending period. There's literally no room to even argue anything else. You can say his feelings were hurt and you can say the teens were mean but he went after them period. Not even mildly similar to self defense.
@@Jortinkalttana umm no lol. Also like I said he went to get the knife off shore. Which is attacking period. He left and came back to the situation.
I feel like a lot of you people don't realize how self defense law works 🤣
To be self defense you have to have no way out. You can't instigate a situation then attack somebody.
If you are instigating it's not longer self defense period. If these kids went to the shore and attacked him he might a got away with it. But he returned with a knife after having left the situation.
That's like if I go around on the street calling people names till somebody tries to fight me and I pull a gun. Id be going to prison 😂 and rightly so.
@@colonelradec5956he walked into the river with a knife is attacking? He’s allowed to carry a knife. He only took it out when he was being assaulted by a group of people.
@@ceeIoc no that's not how self defense law works lol even in Texas he wouldn't have gotten away with that 🤣 he want back to shore and got a knife.
If you don't see how that's provoking then that's on you lol. Cause to a jury and the law that's absolutely provoking. Same with common sense. He was able to leave and didn't. Instead retrieved a knife lol. Also most don't realize he attacked first.
If you claim self defense to win you have to prove that what you did was 100% necessary and you were afraid.
If at any time you can escape the incident and choose not too then your self defense claim is gone 😂
In Florida they have stand your ground but even in Florida if you got a chance to get away the courts gonna convict you.
Self defense is reserved for when your out of options. He had the option of walking away the entire time. He got closer to them multiple times. It took awhile for all this to happen.
So yes guilty. And I'd study self defense if you plan on defending yourself.
@@ceeIoc also he wasn't carrying a knife. He had no knife. Then went to shore to get it after arguing with them. That's not the same at all lol.
I agree with your analysis dr. Grande. Drunken teens looking for a fight; crowd bullying, they got what they were looking for
nothing in them asking an outsider to leave them alone is "looking for a fight" (a knife fight)
---yes they were rude, as drunk teens, or young adults often are
---their pushing only started after Mr. Miu came back for a fight
---since he had already left, he didn't have to come back and murder
---and he can't even use the "crime of passion" (response to the ugly, rude name calling) since he repeated over and over in court that he was not angry at that moment
---so this was an intentional return to a fight (assured by the knife in his pocket)
The man was scared. I would have been too. I had a situation a couple months ago in a Veterans club that I am a member of. I had a difference of opinion with a guy over politics. I was surrounded by three men trying to get into the conversation and I'm a 63 year old woman. Next thing I knew a total of five men started yelling at me , surrounding me and calling me a bunch of very inappropriate names. No one came to my defense. I started to leave and three of the men followed me to the door. I ran to my car. I was shaking and crying all the way home. I haven't went back since then. Too scared to. So I completely understand this guys mindset. Our world has become very scary and angry.
Did you kill anyone?
@@wrenogden6030 there’s always next time
Sounds like a nursing home situation. Hopefully, the three old men that followed you to the door were using walkers.
Politics are not a great topic to discuss in today’s world. If you are confronted by an opposing person or group of politics start talking to them about enemies of America and if they attack the U.S. would they be able to stand together with the other party to fight in war. You have to think about what really matters , and being American is much more than having a violent fight over a position on a topic that in the big picture is truly meaningless in the passage of time
No one should have to suffer through a terrifying experience like that, politics boiling over into a threatening situation is very sad to see, it means there's no longer healthy debate going on, it's descending down into intimidation tactics. Fortunately, in your case, no was killed or physically harmed, but if it keeps escalating, we know where that can go.
I was never a punk at that age… I was taught by my parents, “you never know who you are messing with, so let people be”… I always lived by this philosophy… hadn’t had any major issues… these kids were never taught that and had to pay for it… my sympathy only goes so far with punks… and this BS argument of “their brains aren’t fully developed yet” is BS… they are developed enough to know what’s right and wrong. They wanted to act tough and paid for it.
Absolutely.
Thank you for your post. I completely agree with you.
I don't understand why they were so hostile. I used to go camping with friends often when I was young, and sometimes we encountered drunks, mostly we were the drunks, but there was never any violence.
I would have helped the man look for that lost phone.
One time a guy walked up, helped himself to our (imported!) beer from an ice chest. We looked at him funny, "Hey man! Are you looking for someone?" He grinned, "Yeah! Billy told me to meet him at the campsite near the boat ramp!" "Okay, we don't know anyone named "Billy" but, ya want a burger? We've got plenty!"
He hung out with us until his friend Billy came looking for him. Then they BOTH hung out with our group. We had better beer and cuter girls.😉
That was so typical for us, and the people we met. The whole point of going to the river or lake was to have fun, drink too much, and play bad music badly around a campfire. That was simpler, happier times in the 1980s.
Wow you’re so perfect. I’m jealous
@@andrewgonzalez6208 You don't need to be "perfect" to be decent.
the fact that there is video evidence of them assaulting Nick but no evidence of "Nick assaulting a woman" should be enough proof though. It's literally all on VIDEO of these kids assaulting and harassing this man!! If he goes to prison over this, someone should start a petition
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Their behavior is sooo triggering to anyone who has been through highschool bullying. That laughter and circling around makes me absolutely sick.
Yes. I thought that too
I’m more disturbed by the stabbing, personally.
Yup, and the result was exactly what the bullies invited.
I can’t decide whether that was more disturbing or the disembowelment
@@user-fn8xt1hs5wyou’re weak. Bet you squeal like a 🐷
It is deeply regrettable that someone died because of this asinine situation. They're all responsible because of their behavior.
I agree
Bingo
Thank you. Acting like the children are the only ones in the wrong here is asinine. He's a liar and an unsurpassed instigator himself.
Kids were also guilty
I’m going to comment every time I see another “cool” man with a beard? I’m trying to piece a theory, did covid set men off into the beard mode?
These weren't kids. They were adults who chose to act like entitled little brats. He shouldn't be charged with anything. Those "adults" would be publicly shamed for such behavior. I'm tired of bad people doing whatever they want
So they deserve to be stabbed? He approached them and didnt say a word! if he approached pre-teens the way he approached these teens, you’d be singing a different tune! he never talked to them, never said anything! and started the fight
but you dont stab people
@@bonniedup5687 He stabbed people after he got punched in the face multiple times by multiple people who are a third of his age. They should have just stuck with bullying a nerd in their high school
@@bonniedup5687 he had a heart condition, and was being accosted by a group of teenagers.
@@bonniedup5687 ...not just accosted, assaulted. He was probably worried he'd be drowned.
17 isn't really a child in terms of mental and social comprehension of basic right and wrong. 17 year olds went to war in 1943. 17 year olds are treated like 5 year olds in 2024...and many behave as such. May Mr. Miu get a retrial and justice be done to those horrible young adults who will, lets face it, be 18in a few months and walk with even more ego through society.
I would have been scared when they pushed me down in the water and converged on me. People do kill others.
If nothing else the fear of drowning would trigger primal fight or flight.
They pushed him AFTER he hit one of the women.
His heart condition was a factor, too. He may have had fear of having another heart attack.
Yes, and people don’t seem to realize that he could have “accidentally” died in a number of ways. The young people might have been on trail for manslaughter if Nic was knocked out into the water and drowned
@@motelghost477Like Dr. Grande said. The teenager's story was inconsistent. He might of pushed her off when they were all in his face. The girl had no injuries which tells me they lied.
Water can be used to murder someone and they knocked him down into it twice. They EASILY could have held him under.
coulda, eh? You'd make a great litigator.
@StruggleBus_Captain
Yes, "coulda". Since they instigated the conflict, they are at fault.
Really. There were 20 people around. Do you really think everyone was going to stand around watching a man being held under water until death. It takes minutes not seconds to drown. Until death he would be thrashing around violently. A knife wound to the heart is silent, everyone was unaware and he was dead in seconds.
@@YancyKinThe kids are psychos. Why do you think that they started it in the first place?
@@YancyKin Exactly! Team Nic seems to assume that every single person there other than Nic was an absolute psychopath. Ridiculous
I saw all the videos of these young people on the witness stand and every time I thought that hopefully no such people will ever move into my neighbourhood. Their initial stories were all proven wrong by the video and they tried to evade telling the truth as best they could. The video with sound shows clearly how they enjoyed tormenting the man for sadistic pleasure, as drunk and drugged cowards do.
Exactly. They all literally committed perjury. Not to mention changing their stories twice. It's disgusting really.
Nic was not fighting for his life! He was teased with words and used a knife to murder!
@@johnpatterson9037 What a dishonest set of lies you just spread. The men incited violence against him by shouting defamatory lies about him like claiming he was "looking for little girls". This did incite two women to go over to him. The women blocked and shouted at him without listening. They then assaulted and battered him on camera grabbing and pushing him several times. These men then shouted more lies about him and used them as an excuse to physically attack him. They pushed him down onto a rocky and gravelly river bed in a foot and a half of water. Easily enough to hold someone down in to drown. All while shouting even more lies
They immediately punched him in the face while he was helpless on the ground. When he tried save himself by standing he was attacked from behind by another man in this pack of laughing hyenas. That man pushed him down again (and even admitted to it on the witness stand that he was trying to keep him down). Of course, the victim would think he was in a life or death situations. He managed to get up and face the new assailant but was still being pushed.
He had a gang of 5 adult men attacking him simultaneously, joined in with a 17 year old. Harrassing him, attacking him physically with zero provocation.
He was merely looking for a cell phone and googles. A cell phone they pretended to have at the beginning to tease him.
It was only after all that they he stabbed the man who had just assaulted and battered him from behind.
@@26michaeluk don't be stupid
@@TheMike5232 I'm trying to keep other "kids" from being stupid. Nobody where I'm from plays with the word pedo and jumps men for a drunken adventure. Cause they'll be legally toe tagged. In any SYG state this man would've at most been charged with lying or obstruction.
A relief to great your analysis. Subscribed. Thank you for speaking the truth for the victim who is now unjustly punished again but those who worked have defended him, other adults with authority.
Not guilty - the drunk and high kids were the aggressors, the drunks in the other party came over and continued the aggression despite knowing nothing and Nic defended himself. He is allowed to snorkle and his only fault was rushing up to their tubes when he thought he saw the phone. He said something to them prior to doing that but they were too drunk to understand him.
My dad told me once, "If you go looking for trouble, you're going to find trouble you weren't looking for."
Sounds like they were looking for trouble and found trouble they weren't looking for.
He approached them twice. Second time with a knife.
@@m.j.e.5245 No, he was trying to get away from the situation. Pay attention.
@@jc71480 prehaps YOU need to pay attention. He approached them and was aggressive. When intimidation didnt work he pulled a knife.Kids didnt give two shits about him untill he barreled into the group.
He charged them aggressively, put his snorkle in his mouth to free his hands, touched the knife in his pocket, and proceeded to grab the tubes the teens were floating on, and continued to skulk around them menancingly. He did not explain why he was there, and invaded the teens space. The teens did not demonstrate aggression at this point, and it was clearly him who started aggressively charging and being menacing.
@@CaptainSchlockler he was looking for the phone, jackass. Pay attention. He pulled the knife after getting knocked down.
I think being in the water is a huge factor. It’s so easy to get sucker punched when there is a big group like that. If you get knocked out, no guarantee anyone is going to pull you out of the water.
Exactly
Nick started it. And he took it way too far.
@@jaymike3302 go home, you’re intoxicated.
@@brentdennard6722 I've noticed a lot of comments on various videos...saying that it's okay to use lethal force against drunk kids. So casual about it.
Correct, being knocked out you could even drown falling face down into 3-inch-flat water.
There was a drunk guy on a bike the other night who fell from his bike and fell into a wet spot face down. He actually drowned because he fell unconscious and did not wake up.
Humans who are raised staring at personal screens, with parents who don't parent, and who spent little time in the real world while growing up may end up acting this way. I fear for the future if these kinds of people procreate.
It's way past too late to worry about the future. It is already set in stone.
Teens have been like this for countless centuries
@@didgya
Yup. Before screens there have always been bullies who really shouldn't group together. It's the less becoming side of human nature.
Not really. We haven't had computers for centuries.
@@Jeff-sp7bg lol. I didn't word that well. Just saying human nature hasn't changed.
He is 54 so he will die behind bars. Unless there is the unlikely chance of a retrial or successful appeal.
And what message does this send out? A mob can surround a man, yell false accusations in his face, physically threaten him, taunt him.
He lashes out in a panic and unfortunately there is a fatality and injuries. Instead of recognizing the context, the mob are treated like the victims and the original victim gets his life thrown away.
So if you live in Wisconsin, better just let drunk teenagers hospitalize you rather than stand up for yourself.
Doesn’t look like they approached him, he should’ve just left no way you’re finding a phone too… Miu probably just has a big ego, the guy is an idiot.
@@irithsYup, I agree. But that doesn't make him guilty of murder.
He easily could have moved along and avoided the whole situation. Yes the young people were idiots but there wouldn’t have been a dead kid floating in the water if Nick had a bit of sense! He also went back to his group like nothing happened. That’s not normal. There’s so much imbalance in the comments here and in the broad commentary about this. If you were in his place, would you not have at least threatened the group with the knife first? The normal thing to do is pull a weapon out and clearly state that you will use it if the other person comes at you. It seems he just pulled it out and immediately started stabbing. What an insane disregard for human life! Y’all! TAKING A HUMAN LIFE IS HORRIBLE! Even in the worst case scenario where we feel like it’s us or them it SHOULD cause a normal person deep and devastating pain to end another person’s life! Legal “rights” aside, this is just a travesty and objectively wrong.
I'm certainly not going to say that he is innocent or blameless, but people need to learn that their actions can have consequences and to leave other people alone rather than taunting them when in a large group for "safety".
Dr Grande mentioned Nick was blocked from leaving in the conclusion, but didn't say that in the analysis. I'm confused, could Nick leave at any time or did the teens surround him?
It looked like he harassed them and accused them of stealing a phone, and then they retaliated by insulting him. So, it seems like you're blaming the victims. Ultimately, the smart move is typically to try to end the interaction when someone is acting in an aggressive manner out of the blue. But that doesn't mean it's the teens' fault that they were assaulted. It's natural for people to be upset when they're harassed and wrongfully accused of stealing. Expecting perfect behavior from victims in the face of being mistreated by a bad actor is unreasonable.
He was surrounded. The video evidence is hard to ignore!
@@loki2240 I ask you again, where did you read/hear that he initiated the incident with accusations? I'd like to see this source as well.
@@StellaReardon How do you know that? Unless you have video evidence of the entire altercation, you have no way of knowing.
Nick had every right to defend himself against these entitled drunk brats.
Nic stabbed one of the teenage girls who wasn’t involved in the back…I’m guessing you think that’s wrong?
He is going to jail, but the young men should be held liable as accomplices.
@@daggers101 Accomplice by inaction is a real thing. UA-cam lawyers are the best.
not in the back.In the side and she was in his face.@@marilolzoito2442
@@daggers101 He stabbed her first, before any physical altercation started. In the video when they say, he hit a woman, he had actually stabbed her. Then he gets pushed into the water.
Bullshit...These men/women Picked on a lone man...and they intimidated him, until he responded with force. Now they cry because they where taught a lesson in life.
Did you not see him approach them in a weird/aggressive manner? Not justifying anything, but you make it seems they were the ones initiating.
@@NeXuS858they were the ones who attacked him and escalated the scene. Only after that he pulled the knife and defended himself
He’s a drunk loser, like all of his defenders
@@danijel2045 he was pushed, not held down. he was NOT in immediate threat of danger of death which is why self defense claim failed. no one else brandished a weapon, and no one held him UNDER water
the video I saw, at 1:38 there's a clear shot of his face, there's no fear.
If he was scared his face would look different. There's a disconnect between what is going on and his expression. His eyes are not normal (stare) for what is going on.
the jury saw the video, I bet you they saw that same stare I saw, dude was off... not normal.
@@danijel2045he was attacked so viciously that he only stabbed 4 out of the 5 boys slashed the girl and was uninjured .Get real if that creep did this to your child . Sniffing around your underage daughter and kills her boyfriend when he should have been minding his business with his group not creeping out the young girls trying to mingle with a story about a lost phone and it's not I give you an open handed slap and you use equal force to protect yourself by stabbing me even if I am an a-hole.
These guys didn’t just “harass” him - they instigated the entire thing, while drunk, to record it (“for the culture”), wouldn’t let him leave, attacked him, pushed him down to the water, tried to hold him in the water, and put their hands around his neck. Then they proceeded to lie in court, while the video proved they were lying. How is this happening?!
This happened because he had to put his faith in 12 fools that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
You are very wrong and obviously didn’t know the facts. Nick approached the teens about a missing phone. They continued to ask him to leave after they kept telling him they didn’t have the phone and didn’t see the phone. Nick was the initial aggressor. The jury found him guilty of murder! They got this one right!
@@candicane1 Miunthe right to go anywhere he pleased on a public river, looking for his phone. These guys should have either helped him, or gotten out of his way so he could look. They didn’t. They assaulted him. The “witnesses” were all caught lying because their testimony was at complete odds with the video evidence. One the video didn’t lie.
@@candicane1one of hyenas was put down so that’s a W
@@gravesidepoet5405and the other was put in jail for the rest of his life
Honestly if I was surrounded by a group of aggressive, angry, drunk young adults engaging in mob behavior, I’d be terrified. But for it to happen while we’re all standing in a body of WATER..AND SOMEONE STARTS SHOVING? Now it’s absolutely a life or death situation.
In knee-deep water? Riiiiiight
@@Zepster77 uneven ground and rocks, knee deep is over your head if you fall. if you're knocked out you can die or receive brain damage very quickly. read a book, and go outside ffs uneducated and no common sense.
@@Zepster77and you would know?
Did you watch the video? They only shoved him AFTER he hit one of the girls.
Why even antagonise drunk teenagers?
@@Zepster77 a lot of people have drowned in knee-deep water, the courts know that. Maybe you dont, but you wouldn't have known how much damage an old man could do to a mob either.
What? Theyre literally assaulting him and he gets Jailed for murder?
yup! WELCOME TO BIDENS AMERICA!
wow your so smrt. but you forgot that he inserted himself into the situation repeatedly. when you do that, you can never claim self defense, even in backwards states like texas.
@@ElChuntyCabra This has nothing to do with who is President, you weirdo.
@@ElChuntyCabraI think the jury was biased because of big last name in a small town
@@ElChuntyCabrahow is this Biden’s America??
Honestly wtf dude
People have been acting entitled for a Long time
It has Nothing, I mean Nothing, to do with who the President is!!
It is Society Not the President’s fault
Your comment is Part of the problem
People should take responsibility for THEIR actions and Not pawn it off on Anything other than that!!
Actions have consequences…so, people Should know and understand that!!
Politics doesn’t belong in Every Conversation
See, I could point out that Trump and his minions Tried, unsuccessfully, to overthrow the government and throw out the Constitution…so that’s the reason this happened
See Just how ludicrous that is??!!!
Grow Up
You are an absolute beast how you slice through the bullsht fog.
Charging Nicolae Miu with first-degree intentional homicide is absurd. The state and prosecutor have gone way overboard with this charge and hopefully will come to regret it.
I can't wrap my head around this being 1st degree
@@haleybitlikely due to age of the Victims, and some of the Young Adults involved were from Well to Do Families, not that to be an Excuse.
They'll lose the case because they went first degree and not second.
1. I don't know the law in Wisconsin so I don't know precisely what first degree intentional homicide means. 2. He would have been offered an opportunity to plead to lesser charge in all likelihood before going to trial. 3. Typically a murder statute has lesser, included charges and the jury could have found the accused guilty of something less than first degree. Second degree or even manslaughter. 5. His lying and his attempts to cover up the crime are going to weigh heavily in the charging and in the verdict.
@@Garybob-e9qYou're probably right. I never thought of that, but yeah.
There is no way that the jury is going to convict him of first degree murder. The prosecuting attorney really blew it when he charged him with that. At the most, he should have brought a manslaughter charge.
I agree
Yeah they pretty much have to prove he planned the attack beforehand right?
@@themagnumtodd in some jurisdictions they just have to show he formed intent before stabbing them ,but that intent need only be immediately before the act. even as little as a few seconds. it's a pretty riduculous law IMO. Looks like self -defense to me.
Manslaughter implies you used the weapon without intent to kill. You do not stab someone in the abdomen and not understand it will kill someone.
agree
Those kids taunting-laughing really gives it away. They were never afraid of him.
They were afraid After he fought back…
Grande really put it into perspective when he referred to “typical highschool bullying”. Those kids were a bunch of intoxicated twats.
Because they didn't know they were dealing with someone willing to murder.
@@kitten88dm self defense isn’t murder. Murder is illegal premeditated homocide. At best what you’re suggesting is willing to commit manslaughter in the 1st.
@@kitten88dmi don’t believe it was simply willing. He didn’t go after people. He tried getting away. He didn’t go over to the group armed, he had not intended to kill.
Scattered like roaches when the blood started flowing, humbled and terrified everyone, stupid behavior, drunk behavior.
The drunk teenagers amped up the encounter into a sick game where they toyed with Mr. Miu. Instead of treating an adult with respect (whatever happened to that concept?) they mentally and physically attacked him. It was group bullying by the 13 of them. They were a pack of laughing hyenas.
He left his group and went over to them. He shouldn't have left his group
@@anthonytabor210why not? He was in a public area. Is this a free country? Or is it ruled by thugs?
I have a real issue with this case. This entire Case could and should have been avoided by all parties involved. I agree w everyone that the teenagers verbally assaulted the defendant which is not a very becoming way for young men to act in any public setting- period. Then add in the consumption of alcohol and marijuana. And this group was a ticking time bomb. This group of kids became completely irrational bullies looking for a target. The defendant should have told his group that he needed help . and that he needed-assistance. they were all around 17 years old and were high. The kids were wrong and obnoxious but did they deserve to be murdered or severely injured? The answer is no.
@@mollymccafferty5087 sounds like a good idea but it may have resulted in even more deaths.. who knows.
@@anthonytabor210 Who the FK are you to think you can tell anyone where they can and can't go. That fatally flawed attitude will earn you what these 5 earned. Pray you never run into me with that attitude.
He wasn't only harassed, but also physically assaulted by the teens. Title should be updated.
he's been convicted already, yet here you are trying to die on this hill anyway. have fun!
@@SpencerDonahue - He was convicted on lesser charges and what the hell were you talking about dying on some hill? Where did I say anything about his guilt or innocence? I only addressed the title of the video, so get out your feelings.
Mui struck a woman. He started it. Dante hit him defending her. Her glasses disappear at that point in the video when she is struck by him too which agrees with witness testimony. He pulled a weapon then started the fight. What a victim.
The teens didnt touch him the whole time except Isaac pushed him at the very end after he stabbed the woman then the Carlson brother right in front of him. Neither of whom attacked Mui but Mui stabbwd them anyway. All of the teens stayed back none of them hit, struck, punched or kicked or held him.
Your bias blinded you to facts. Bias like "mob" and "drunk teens". Mui told police he drank too many beers and had lots of alcohol...
This is why jury found him guilty.
@@LL-wc4wn - Yeah, they found him guilty of the lesser charges. Don't respond to my comment as if I supported the dumbass when my comments clearly show that I didn't. I'm only pointing out that a young man lost his life over dumb shit where mature young adults could have easily avoided. Mui was a fool and an idiot, but he didn't start stabbing people until he got assaulted and knocked down. Bottom line, don't do heavy drinking in public, keep your damn hands to yourself, and walk away from any confrontation if possible.
Young man dead at age 17 and everyone is concerned about who's fault it is when EVERYONE played a role in his death and the multiple injuries.
@@parawill7074 lol you're walking it back now you clearly mad a bad call. Lesser charges that could see him get 90 years lol
So they charged him with murder. What if he was an off duty police officer? This is sad but true but I know how the blue line operates. A police officer defending himself would have been deemed justified. Sick of this ass backwards justice system of ours
Agree. He was attacked and the mob mentality took over. These reckless stupid UNDER AGE drunk boys smoking weed ruined this man’s life. Sad. Sad. Sad.
If he was a police officer, the mainstream media would’ve crucified him in the first 30 seconds before hearing any of the evidence.
Exactly!!!
He’s not though. Just a grumpy old mediocre W man.
What justice system? ⚖️. I feel ya
Update: He has been found guilty and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
His charges are not right! He was surrounded by a group of people bothering him. They pushed him and assaulted him. What if someone tried to drown him!?
And they had knives too??
He escalated the situation with a deadly weapon and force. No bueno.
@@stephenbarone4053 This case will hinge on whether he used force in proportion to the threat...if there was a threat.
@@haleybit no they did not have knives
@@MrSloika IF there was??
As long as we use the word "bullying" nothing will change... Its assault/ abuse.
Same for "pranksters" that really are criminals.
Ok fine, it's verbal abuse, but if you think verbal abuse warrants physical abuse with a deadly weapon, then you should be locked up for the good of society (those of us with IQs above 80)
@@jeffbarnes2703Verbal assault that turned into physical assault/threats of physical assault. If you are being assaulted, you are allowed to defend yourself. Did you even watch the video? The OP is correct. The word bullying minimizes the actions of the group. Just like jugging is a cutesy word for armed robbery.
@@mitzloo1933 Not with lethal force unless you have a good reason to assume you're going to die from the assault. This is not to mention that he had the chance to flee.
This is a classic case of "FuQ around & find out."
Exactly!
float around and find out
And get locked up for the rest of your life lol
Where is that in the law?
@@phoenixmerridian9119 I don't think "common sense" is written anywhere in the law but, when you do things that lack common sense you often find out. It's like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, wearing short pants & flip flops. You often get away with it but, eventually you find out. That's what happened here.
I don’t think “cancel culture” is the correct buzzword to apply to this. This is just classic bullying
And murder
@@Tigergirljones420 Nope. Homicide.
i think he means he wants to say MORE. but would be cancelled. hes disgusted by the verdict. me too.
So let me get this straight - these teens were underage drinking, wasted out of their minds and also high, unprovokedly taunted a man with false, serious criminal accusations, pushed him to the river and physically assaulted him and held him down. One person even had their hands around his neck, and the group was easily capable of drowning him. Yet, when he defended himself against 13 people, 6 of who were physically attacking him… HE was the criminal. Makes total sense.
Exactly
Welcome to America where we no longer prosecute crimes and make excuses for criminals!
I missed where this happened but it sounds like Oregon nowadays. Criminals in office allowing the criminals they like to do whatever they please.
They pushed him and hit him after he hit someone. Why is everyone ignoring that part?
@@desktorp after they claimed he hit someone. Both parties lied. So the FACTS are in the video, period. And they were a violent, menacing mob against one man. There IS no arguing that. Self defense.
Lack of empathy. That's a massive problem among the younger generations. The additive nature of having cell phones and young people using them for hours and hours a day have been proven to have lowered the ability of young people to feel and experience empathy - up to 30% and even more.
🤡3%
I engage with them on reddit and it's downright scary.
I don't think past generations had much empathy towards each other.
Clearly a lot of people didn’t watch the same video of the incident
I watched the whole case intently, and as I read through these comments, it makes me doubt the sanity of Americans. And then I remember how a psychopath was elected president.
@@Maxiakt Biden?
@@chakko007 only psychopath is Trump.
and clearly most ppl in the comments are not fit enough to be a lawyer. Good thing we have real lawyers
@@chakko007don't be an idiot
A knife is not a long-distance weapon. They were in his face.
They guy who was gutted, looks accidental. It looks like A.J. lunges forward, towards Miu, onto the knife as Miu is falling backwards.
@@Truelib99Hobbesgreat observation
This! They had to be up close to him in order to be even touched by the knife. At no point is he using the knife in a threatening manner. He is simply holding it in his hand because he’s in fear. He did not hold the knife up or wield the knife at any of the kids as if looking to purposely stab him. No one knows what Nicolas when though in his home country or what kind of trauma he had been through in his past. This is just sick.
@@Truelib99Hobbesagreed. At no point do I see him using the knife. It appears he is just holding it and then gets pushed and puts his arms out and that’s when it occurs.
5 inch blade is long distance.
Not to mention the fear of constantly being pushed in the water he could have had a huge fear of drowning.
boohoo? "oh no, my fear of waterrrr, this is a completely reasonable response!!" i cant imagine someone to be so weak as for that to be the case
@@slashstabslice8672 it is interesting that you are alluding to weakness. I would like to hear what you would do in this situation when you were outnumbered 8 to 1:00 by a bunch of drunken teenagers who are physically and verbally assaulting you? How would you handle that exactly? Do you realize how much water it takes for a person to actually drown in?
@@Bschnizzleespecially when it was considered vast majority of the group was physically stronger and out numbered him in a body of water.
he was pushed in less than 12" of water. So your conclusion of his "huge fear of drowning" is just supporting misinformation to match your own conclusions. In a case like this, we should stick only to the facts. And I hope that the jury will do this.
@@danconatser8699 Exactly, tell me you can't be drowned in 12 in of water if your face is held down in it. Thankfully, in this case our defender didn't have to wait for that to happen he was able to defend himself effectively despite several assailants keep coming after him.
gleeful self-righteous sadism is such a bizarre modern trend among teenagers and twitter warriors
Nazis were that way.
Exactly, sadism!
I'm not justifying anything, but he didn't exactly approach the group in a peaceful manner
@@NeXuS858 You obviously never watched the video. Or.....you're a moron.
Miu is the sadist, correct? or is it everyone here in the comments that thinks this guy was justified to stab these kids to death for calling him names.? yup.
Dr Grande . I totally agree with your analysis.
Self Defense, those teenagers had no respect, they were probably drunk and/or on drugs. Drunken punks, Nick shouldn't have been arrested.
They were drunk and on drugs.
I’m drunk and on drugs as we speak. But I’m not about to go causing trouble. Assholes are assholes.
You are absolutely right
---St. Nick should not have been arrested
---he should have walked away from it and not committed those violent injuries for which he was arrested
---the details of what he was arrested for are what prove he is guilty of murder
@@rwLincoln Wrong
They were on drugs! Everybody was high
I have yet to see a prosecution witness who elicits any sympathy in this trial. In general, a bunch of drunken underage kids picked the wrong guy to mess with.
The worst part of this story are the prosecutors who clearly identify with the bully group, and not with Nic.
This is becoming a HUGE problem in our Legal system. Can you address this sometime Dr. G?
Not to worry, think the jury will keep them in check
That’s Wisconsin. They love their little White boys. Kyle rittenhouse
It’s always happened sadly
Ummmm, they were doing their jobs as prosecutors. Defense attorneys have to do the same.
I am in no way excusing the teenagers’ behavior, but Nick could have acted like an adult and walked away early on. They were ALL intoxicated. Hopefully, parents will use this as a learning scenario for their teens.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for expressing so eloquently what I believe. I watched every second of the court proceedings. I’m heart broken for Mr. Miu. This was a grave injustice that needs to be fixed. I found it difficult to feel empathy for the bullies. Watching a human beaten and persecuted by an out of control mob is triggering and painful. My empathy is 100% in Mr. Miu’s favour. May justice prevail.
I don't feel sorry for a single one of them. What was he supposed to do, give the benefit of the doubt to an angry mob that was threatening to knock him unconscious in a river?
I absolutely think these entitled teenagers got themselves into this mess. Its terrible that one young man died and others were injured. The man was absolutely pushed to defend himself! I've been in the middle of a group of mean taunting teenagers and I was terrified. Just because he lied doesn't change the facts! Id be afraid that if I told my side they would still prosecute me too. I feel for the family of the young man who was killed. But I don't have any empathy for the rest of that group!
But he had to know that the police was going to find him eventually. By not mentioning it to his wife, did he plan to just go home and forget about it.?
Mui probably did this in Romania too. Look into unsolved killings and I'll bet he comes up
I feel bad for the 17 year old who died because it's over for him. He can't come back and say " I'm sorry, it was our fault." Ironically, he may have been the first to say so because he had his hand on Nick's throat. He may have been thankful he survived if he had, unlike all the others who are busy trying to garner sympathy for getting hurt in a really stupid game.
It is evident that young people are not victims.
All actions have consequences.
Yeah, this is why you don't watch people on UA-cam to get your news. Dude completely misrepresented the case and this guy got a guilty verdict yesterday.
...and he can enjoy prison.....
he was stupid trying to find a phone when his friend told him to forget about it
the guy was just off.
@@stoptryingtomakemeusemynam7829 it's based on the law. that state requires you retreat but per what I read , they have evidence he lied to police and even changed appearance to distance himself form the event.
you stab 5 ppl and keep tubing? that's not normal.
@@DEBSWickman Yep. The guy had his knife out before he'd been touched too. A normal person afraid enough to pull out a knife would back away, but he didn't.
Not self-defense.
It’s complete BS .. those kids were instigating the entire thing , they harassed & assaulted him & he had no choice but to defend himself , his health issues would be considered by ANY individual that was under such a attack .. those kids parents ? Should be the ones arrested & charged
I recently attended a high school track meet. I think people don’t realize that 17 year old boys are strong men.
In a high stress situation, when you are attacked by grown men in a situation where they are intoxicated and using a gang attack, the stress and adrenalin would possibly prevent any measured thought for the attacked person, Nick Miu, to even consider that they might technically be under age, technically under the age of 18. Nick looks over 50 and we know that as an engineer doing technical work, he was in no position to take on one young robust sub 18 male. Sub adult is not really a good description? These were adults cloaked under a legal umbrella of age by years. Who caused it? If these young men had not gang attacked this man and pursued him in the water after he was down this never would have happened.
@@patfallon3395 He wasn't attacked. He wasn't even injured. He was taunted.
He was physically attacked @@dutchdna
I have to say that you’re right. I have one 17 year old son and I’m 53. If we had a fight he would win. He says, “You always threaten me with money.” I say, “Yeah buddy, that’s all I have left.”
Yes, just like the pending Preston Lord beating/murder case in Queens Creek, AZ.
It should not be lost here, that two females got in his face escalating the situation with a guy they could not take on themselves. They counted on this baiting the victim AND the other males in the group. This is an all too common tactic of “karens” escalating a confrontation where they end up unscathed and the men are the ones that are injured or die.
Yeah, the girl who was stabbed got a little taste of what it's like to be a man with all its "privileges."
I agree 100% with that. Women will always taunt men and cause chaos by what they say or do, then men get blamed when they react.
But the older guy who stabbed people was the Karen here.
@@PoeLemic before a fight, every woman is Boudicca. When the fight starts, every woman is Mother Theresa.
@@darthkek1953Every woman? 🙄🙄
This case is shedding light on just how disturbed our society has become. These "kids" were like a pack of wild animals converging on someone they perceived as weak for nothing more than recording, bullying and satisfying their own sense of superiority. Wild animals act out of self-preservation, for the most part. These "kids" were doing it for fun. They deserve charges.
Teenage bullies have always been capable of mob violence. Google "Glen Ridge rape case". The difference here is 1) They were caught on camera doing this, and 2) they targeted a white male adult. Back in the 1950s, they knew to target people of sufficiently low social status they knew wouldn't dare to report them. People of color. Members of the LGBT+ community. Women and girls who didn't have wealthy and powerful families. Poor people in general.
Fine but what charge? Its not illegal to be an asshole.
@@cremdilly7176 If someone dies because of such behavior. Then they can be charged with manslaughter. This will be an interesting case to watch as it unfolds if Nick is found not guilty.
If you raise a human baby with a chimp, the human acts more chimp rather than the chimp acting human.
It’s called sadism.
You cannot call this a "murder" really. Did he meditate and plan to commit a "murder"? He was defending himself and the kids refused to back off.
To be attacked while in water your going to defend your life.
I agree, people really don’t understand the dynamics of poor footing. Especially when the prospect of being drowned in Shin, high water is a real prospect. I would’ve personally given those kids some warning about approaching me, but the whole thing was bizarre to say the least, and no one involved is totally blameless for their behavior.
He had already stabbed the girl before being pushed into the water...now tell me who has the right to defend? Why is everyone missing that detail and focusing on him being pushed and slapped down into the water?
@@vickijo2343He open hand hit/pushed the girl’s head/face; he didn’t stab her.
@@aheineman9138 And he was hit back.
@@Plutarch46*douche bag. Did it make you feel good correcting the commenter, are you proud of yourself?
If I were a juror I would find him not guilty. These ‘kids’ were intoxicated and jumped him, in a river of all places.
Not guilty! Time served! You're free to go.
Nick was drunk too. He started it all. Alcohol is clearly a huge factor here. He blocked their tubes and could have walked away any time. The boys should not have taunted him but he surely didn’t need to be stabbing anyone.
@@kylehanson4717
he started nothing, he was looking for a phone and got attacked for no reason...
hi did not stab anyone before he got attacked by several people, knocked down onto his back in shallow water deep enough to drown!
he defended himself!
the jury is deliberating as we speak.
@ralphbooger4756 you don't go through people's personal belongings. That will get you killed. He is a mark
@@ralphbooger4756
homie is guilty and everyone defending him is whack af
list of the facts:
He approached this group, got into their personal space first, grabbed their tubes, and dropped his own damn snorkel because he had both hands on their tube.
They told him to leave multiple times before anyone had touched him. He just made creepy faces and refused to go on his way.
He brandished his knife and had it in his hand before anyone touched him.
You can’t see it in the video, but he did hit one of the girls before he was pushed into the water, as evidenced by her sunglasses being on her face just a moment prior and then missing when she comes into frame again. THAT’S when they started yelling at him and pushed him into the water.
This is when he sliced up the first guy’s stomach (in the orange shorts) and disemboweled him.
He then stabs the girl in the bikini in the back, when she wasn’t even facing him.
At this point people realize he is going on a stabbing spree and begin to run away. Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one.
Then he calmly walks away as if nothing happened, discards the knife in the trees (conscious knowledge of guilt and disposal of evidence), and then walks to the opposite side of the river to rejoin his group.
He did not try get help, for himself or any of his victims. Instead he convinced his group to continue their float down the river and left the victims for dead.
After getting out of the water, he changed his clothes to disguise himself and then lied multiple times to police, because he didn’t know there was video of the encounter.
I’ve been a court reporter for 30 years and I am 100% in agreement with your assessment.
really stupid question - do people who work in court have to have counseling often? I cant fathom being around that stuff - especially working at some place like CourtTV (i know its not what you do but just as an example)
@@TR-707Your anxiety will lower once you stop being a homosexual.
@@TR-707 That's a good question! I wonder if professionals working in criminal courtrooms ever get used to the horrible things they see and hear. They are stronger than me, because I know I'd fall apart. I have great respect for people who do these jobs. I feel that way about nurses and EMT also. I know I don't have what it takes to do those jobs, and few do.
Just curious, but what does you being a court reporter for 30 years have to do with you agreeing with his assessment?
@@jibicusmaximus4827 join them for me please
The whole thing is he had a knife to a push fight. Walk away & call the cops. Do not stab 5 people while standing. They did not pile on him. If he had fought them with his hands, he would not be charged for murder. Everyone wouldve been charged for assualt on eachother.
ive rafted on the Apple River drunk kids are there all the time harrassing people, and when one tries to defend yourself they gang up on you..this guy was a victim ive been watching the trial and all these kids crying and whining claiming they are the victim with so much video out there I doubt he will be found guilty...
Anecdotal evidence isn't scientific evidence. Your past experiences don't mean that is the case here, and how tf can a victim be the aggressor?
I hope you're right.
Ok boomer 😂
You "rafted"?? . No Rafts are not allowed on the Apple River. Only Tubes or you can rent a large "cow water bin". No, he ran up to them. Watch the entire trial not just snippets. Also, it all happened in a few minutes, no time to think. He is guilty of killing someone and injuring 4. He needs to go to jail. Maybe not for murder but he is guilty of causing the death of another
@@MusicHealsMusicSavesself defense, DA
The entire group was taunting, belittling, and bullying him. That part was all the way messed up! I could see the kids treating their fellow class mates this way.
Kids are idiots they always have been
Doesn’t mean you go around disemboweling them
@@kolikari3813in this particular instance it does
Oh, and they do, and they cry just as hard if you so much as report them to the school office. Nothing is their fault, see? Nothing.
@kolikari3813 when a group of adults attack you and try to drown you, you panic. Not everybody is superman and can fight 10 people.
They were not kids!! They were poorly behaved adults. And bullies.
They are victims of their own choices, barely even human.
Why are they bullies if he is the one who rushed at them and flipped their tubes? Most groups of people would have beat him up the moment he rushed at them. They showed restraint and only called him names. Then he either pushed or punched a girl which escalated everything. He had plenty of time to leave but he chose to stay and stab people. He killed one. Stabbed another just below the heart. Practically disemboweled another. He chose that instead of just walking away like the kids asked him to.
@@GizmoMaltese you got some of those wrong. And besides, the area is not the gang’s personal property. If they are that disturbed by him as the innocent “kids” they are, they could have chosen to walk away from him instead and report him to authorities. You corner a one single guy with high numbers like cowards, he has every right to fight like hell. Knife would be meaningless if he was against 1-2 people max. How many was he against again?
@@triggerskull
Why would they have to move around when he came to their area? It'll be different if he had to be in their area. Which he didn't, because his group wasn't even near him and when you break it down, nobody in his group wanted him to go and look for that phone. He insisted which I think is because he wanted to see and be near young college girls him claiming that he was just in the area looking for a phone is a cover, but regardless when they started insulting him, he should've walked away and continue doing what the fuck he was doing at the end of the day and that's why his ass is in jail simply because he didn't walk away. Smh
In the video they were 17
Nic took the knife out before any physical altercation occured watch the videos closely he was looking to to stab and kill before any assault happened
Where is the actual video in full buddy?
Finally conmon sense! Thank you Jason! Nic runs up and grabs the legs of 2 guys near their privates causing everyone to bail off their tubes! Nic stays has his hand on the knife the whole time smiling like a wierdo before hitting the girl to start a fight where he can stab others with the knife. He should have left and headed down river a ways and signaled his crew to bring his tube! Even a guy from his crew knew he would be precieved as a wierdo pedo! Nic was told not to look for the phone, he was on the wrong side from where it was lost. Only one guy from his crew called 911 or gave aid to the VICTIMS! Nic lied over and over, he hid the knife, he hid himself, he knew he was guilty of murder, and he even said his life was over in the police interview! I enjoy DR Grande but he is wronge big time and the sheep obviously didn't watch the whole trial and see ALL the evidence. Nic was not scared as he had his hand on his knife he smiled a sick smile before starting the fight. When is it okay to hit girls! That is the one thing that was consistant whether people forgot open or closed hand or whatever after seeing their friends die or have their guts falling out they saw Nic strike her in the face period! Nic's own friends lied about what they did and saw to protect him, so don't be too hard on anyone especially when the teens didn't murder anyone! Thanks for standing up to the social mob on here!
@@TheTuttleCrew he still should be freed
@TheTuttleCrew yeah I honestly don't know how they overlooked looked this In the video either corruption at its best or clear ignorance, but it's visually clear that before any alteration or physical assault occurred this man had already taken out his knife and was prepping. I spent hours watching it over and over and if I was able to catch it with out all the technologies to bring it micro seconds really gets you thinking did they actually miss it. More like they took advantage of it to make a quick and closed case.
@@AnonymousCure good catch!
Nick didn't get the memo that in America, a person is supposed to not defend one's self and be a victim in the hopes of later calling the law to make a report which will go nowhere.
America has the most liberal self defence laws in the world, you have got to be a maggit-einstein. Rittenhouse ffs in America you can shoot someone with a rifle in the street you had no business being in and still be a hero... give your head a wobble son.
Self Defense = Suspension/Expulsion (If you punch a bully you're the one punished), manslaughter/murder charges if it's a fatal (and your life was in danger), assault (felony on your record because you defend yourself) cops are getting imprisoned for shooting a suspect with a knife or a firearm, and our justice system allows criminals and hooligans to be a protected class but law abiding citizens are the ones punished.
@@Markovka137 well said exposition-
@jimsworthow531 Thank you, and God bless!
Crowd violence is one of my deepest fear. If people taunting and threatening me like what happened here, I would also lost myself and do whatever possible to keep me safe.
Would you not notify police, lie many many times, lie about the kids having knives, stash the murder weapon, and when arrested pretend not to know what the whole event was about?
So why would you walk towards it? Easy and common sense would be to simply walk away.
He approached them
@MegaBeanandCheese You are demonstrating that you do not know this case. Miu lied many times about several critical things. Do you acknowledge that?
@@janetdobiesz768 Right. He was told to leave many times and have several opportunities to retreat.
@@jayAh635 why should he? Is it their private property? They are that threatened by this man as the “innocent little kids” they are, they could have chosen to walk away and call the authorities instead.
Back in '93, Panama City, I knew a kid, Donnie, a 17-year-old, who was stabbed in the chest when he and his friends decided to gang up on who they thought was defenseless. Donnie died on the spot and the one who was being attacked was found innocent for self-defense. If he didn't have a knife on him, Donnie and his friends would've pummeled him. I always keep a knife on me wherever I go except for airports and courthouses.
It’s true, I was the knife
@@Zoozski It's true, I was the sky.
I've been armed since I was 15 years old.
@toastbills9774 - back in the day, when self defence was legal 🙏
a knife will get you shot
7:52 He lied about a lot more than him not having a knife. He lied to the police and said 2 of the teens had knives and were threatening him with it. He lied saying that he grabbed one of the boys and twisted his arm taking his knife and that's the knife he used to stab him. This makes me question his intentions quite a bit.
Imagine instigating conflict & assaulting a gentleman simply looking for a phone.. then being surprised when he defends himself.. 😂🤦🏼♂️
I missed the part of the video where Mr. Mui told anyone he was searching for his missing phone.
People get bullied all throughout life. Someone's always going to say something you don't like. You don't get to murder them all. Period.
@@StruggleBus_Captain And I missed the part in the video where the guy did anything that warranted them calling him a pedophile looking for little girls!
@@StruggleBus_Captain Same as nowhere in the video does it show the idiot blonde being hit.
YOU CANT MURDER PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMEONE PUSHED YOU. 😂
...dont quit your day job.....🤣
I love when I'll see a clip with no context and then about a week later dr grande uploads a video on the situation, keep up the work
Ha, same. I saw some clips of the trial yesterday or day before and thought it sounded much different. Glad to have this detailed and reasoned context and analysis.
It doesnt wrap around my brain how "DRUNK TEENAGERS" Even makes any sense
Teens don't need to be drunk to have issues. As a teen I didn't want to spend time around other teens specifically for that purpose...
underage drinking?? its pretty common
@Juan2Mainey were you born yesterday? Teens drink all of the time!!
You look at teenagers and think, no way psychopaths were kids once! That's how it works, those girls were the same, they were taunting him yelling fire... incredible how everybody think these kids shouldn't be sent to Mars yesterday.
ALL of the young kids sounded much more honest, forthcoming and sincere on the stand compared to this drunken entitled boomer
Issac pushed him after he noticed he was stabbing people. And Nickoli Miu stabbed him across his chest, killing him. Isaac was not taunting or doing anything to him. He never said anything to him he was just standing there with his friends. He was trying to save anyone else from getting hurt and lost his life. Yes, Nickoli is guilty of reckless homocide and a couple of attemped homocides. He could have easily walked away and was starting to walk away but came back because he was angry for being called a SAer. Yes, it was appalling that they were being so rude and accusing him falsely of being a pdophile but he didn't have to come back after he started walking away and start stabbing people.
@adamaunya69 Your comment is delusional. And you obviously didn't watch the video carefully enough. Or the trial.
The young adults didn’t just harass the older man, they assaulted him. They put hands on him and even pushed his head under water. It was a gang mentality.
The stabber was the first one to strike another person in the altercation. Their behavior was beyond undignified but he did escalate the situation from words to assault.
Absolutely Gang violence!
@@desktorp There is sufficient precedent to support his actions to be defense when surrounded by a mob of individuals who are displaying aggressive behavior and verbal assaults. Self defense is justified in certain situations before any physical assualt takes place. If this wasnt the case, you would never be able to "stop" or "defend" your self from an attack if you must allow it to occur in the first place.
@@desktorpproof of this statement?
@@desktorp
They surrounded him and told him to leave while leaving no avenue of escape. They pushed him down into the water and went he tried to get up they pushed him back down.
It’s all fun and games and “ok boomer” until the old man you’re attacking tries to defend himself.
I am fifty years old and basically stories like this are _literally_ why over the years I've found myself developing some "social anxieties" or whatever it is that fifty year-old men aren't supposed to whine about whenever I'm in public these days.
He ran up to their tubes you know that right
His group was faaaaar away and he went to them
@@phoenixmerridian9119He went over looking where his friends phone was dropped in the water. When he was looking for the phone they grabbed the snorkel he was using and tossed it. That's what started it.
@@phoenixmerridian9119tf that have to do with anything? The kids don't "own" that corner of the river. foh
@@phoenixmerridian9119 He was in public. There is no expectation of privacy in public. Learn the laws, and read the Constitution.
@@phoenixmerridian9119he didn’t run up to them. He was helping look for his friend’s phone that had been dropped while they were on the river. You don’t even know the story.
These kids were asking for it bad! Nick was kind enough to give it to them. I say Nick deserves an award for being so kind and so selfless.
So glad you named the mob sadism Dr Grande.
Yes, totally agree with Dr. Grande's assessment
Imagine going to prison for trying to help your friend find their lost phone because some asshole called you a pedophile, tried to expose you to their friends by pulling down your swim trunks and then attacking you in a group armed with knives, you disarm one of them and fight back. Such a disgrace of the justice system.
If you have time to consider the evidence presented I think you'll agree that the group wasn't armed with knives and he didn't need to "disarm" them. Nic lied about those things. And Nic knew he had used his own knife in the attack. He lied about that too.
The friend TOLD him not to as the phone was covered by insurance. He went to look for lost jewelry, then, most likely in a sarcastic way, replied to the kids "i'm looking for little girls". We have not seen the other side presentation
Disarm them? Lol he's the only one that had a knife. You need to watch the court videos again I think if you've watched them at all. Coward hit a woman first, and brought a knife to a fist fight. He easily could've walked away he was looking for trouble
@@adrialee8149something wrong with you
@@ChristoverMarxfortheWin let's play agame. Go and actually watch the video...then, come back and tell me who's choking "Nick" in the video. You will clearly see hands on the throat of "Nick". I'll wait 🤡
Harassed? Not even close. You mean assaulted him....
That tends to happen when you throw the first punch, at a girl 🙃
Are we living in bizarro world now?
He approached this group and got into their personal space first. He grabbed their tubes, and dropped his own damn snorkel because he had both hands on their tube.
They told him to leave multiple times before anyone had touched him. He just made creepy faces and refused to go on his way.
He brandished his knife and had it in his hand before anyone touched him.
You can’t see it in the video, but he did hit one of the girls before he was pushed into the water, as evidenced by her sunglasses being on her face just a moment prior and then missing when she comes into frame again. THAT’S when they started yelling at him and pushed him into the water.
This is when he sliced up the first guy’s stomach (in the orange shorts) and disemboweled him.
He then stabs the girl in the bikini in the back, when she wasn’t even facing him.
At this point people realize he is going on a stabbing spree and begin to run away. Instead of him doing the same (if he was truly afraid for his life), he stabs/disembowels 3 more of them, killing one.
Then he calmly walks away as if nothing happened, discards the knife in the trees (conscious knowledge of guilt and disposal of evidence), and then walks to the opposite side of the river to rejoin his group.
He did not try get help, for himself or any of his victims. Instead he convinced his group to continue their float down the river and left the victims for dead.
After getting out of the water, he changed his clothes to disguise himself and then lied multiple times to police, because he didn’t know there was video of the encounter.
This guy is an absolute psychopath, and no matter how loudly those kids were yelling at him, he initiated this encounter, refused to leave their space, and drew his weapon before anyone had touched or threatened him.
@@mckernan603This what happens when you FAFO
@@mckernan603bro he didn’t rush them in the beginning he tripped and fell into the tube. He never assaulted them he pushed one woman away after she grabbed him pulling him violently. This guy had just had a triple bypass heart surgery and was 51 years old. They were harassing him then jumped him as soon as he tried to push one of them away. This is obviously self defense and if he is found guilty of murder then don’t ever go to Wisconsin because if your attacked you cannot protect yourself without fear of being arrested. This whole trial is a travesty.
The 'court' railroaded a guy who was defending himself against these 'youths' who were mugging him for no good reason.
It was mob behavior. Teenagers are notorious for this behavior. We have seen many beaten by uncontrolled mobs
This whole thing is disgusting, the young adults should be charged.
And the parents along with them.
This is what bad parenting causes
Two things come to mind here: 1. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 2. FAFO.
He just spent 2 years in jail, such a win for him right?
@@flack3 maybe they're saying that about all parties involved. They get stabbed; he gets jail time. Everybody gets a trophy for showing up.
@@flack3 He's still alive, lol.
@@hydrostatic8048 FAFO still doesnt imply 2 group of losers. FAFO is when 1 party is being stupid and pay the price. Everybody was stupid on this river that day, everybody lost something and would probably go back to the day before. Thats aint FAFO
@@flack3who's opinion is swayed by the rulings of a corrupt justice system?? Oh right bootlickers