The reason why Rappa still does damage to enemies even when they aren’t broken is because her talent allows her to gain stacks of charge that are used up when ulting. These charge stacks allow you to deal break damage to all enemies, regardless if they are the ones who are broken or not. An example of this would be the Loufu Arumaton that imprisons you. When he goes into his no toughness damage state, and summons the two fish, if Rappa breaks the two fish on the side, the next attack she does will deal break damage to him regardless of him actually being broken or not.
I ultimately agree with basically everything said. However I think you're really brushing off the fact that it *really really* depends on the current endgame cycle going on. Unless you have Jiaoqiu, then Acheron is much weaker than Feixiao in this cycle, on the contrary if the enemy has Lightning weakness but no Wind weakness Acheron is going to be much better, especially if there are 2 or more enemies. And the fact that Rappa is as good as Acheron in the showcases because the next MoC cycle is highly tailored for her specifically.
@@EnjoyGengar Nah, FF needs Ruan Mei/HTB just like Acheron needs JQ/+other debuffers and Feixiao needs Robin/Topaz. Honestly, Adventurine is the only char that is pretty much universal and self reliant.
Firefly and BootHill are the most valuable dps for their weakness implant. Especially for f2p players. Having ONE dps that can add a weakness implant so you don’t have to struggle with MOC or bosses with a specific weakness element is a game changer. Firefly legit SAVED me during early game content. Acheron is amazing for exploration and SU but not necessary unless you want her.
Yes, Firefly and Boothill are incredibly valuable because of their weakness implant. However don't forget that Acheron also completely ignores weaknesses. We are talking about F2Ps here though, and for low investment F2P accounts superbreak is the strongest.
Difference between ff and boothill is, BH does huge damage without superbreak meanwhil FF is technically married to HMC. Its not a case to argue though since HMC is free for everyone 😅
Well ff has a big difference in weakness implant and aoe unlike boothill only good against single target boss, Boothill weakness implant is mid.@@GettieJC
I have E2 Acheron, E2 Firefly and E2 Feixiao with alm their best supports Id probably rank them as : 1. Feixiao 2. Firefly (Could change places with Feixiao delending on the MOC) 3. Acheron Feixiao is insane. She has the highest single target damage in the game while also having a team that demolishes AOE scenarios with multiple eiltes because she can run a sub DPS. She also synergizes perfectly with Robin, the best harmony in the game. Just for context, Robin is BIS for teams that arent even FUA, so any DPS that takes full advantage of her buffs would in obviously be broken Firefly is similar. Her entire team is boosted by superbreak, and that E2 is straight out of SU. So she deals damage that rivals hypercarries while her teammates also deal significant damage Acheron is versatile but suffers from the fate all hypercarries do. Her teammates dont contribute much to the total damage at all, and you can only oush your hypercarry much. Its obvious she would fall slightly behind. But still, with her best team, she is also a string pick for virtually any content
It's hard not to have a strongest dps list without some biasness in the mix, but I feel the most egregious case of it was when mentioning that FF and Boothill and Rappa needs Ruan mei or they will suffer massive performance decline but not mention it as an issue for Feixiao with robin or Acheron with Jiaoqiu. I agree that the aforementioned break dps would need ruan mei to get their dmg out, but boothill is actually the exception to that rule because his dmg isn't tied to superbreak but break exclusively (dmg isn't determined on toughness dmg dealt). If this list is noting everyone as e0s1 with optimal teams then feixiao has to be the best dps objectively, but if we aren't favoring most optimal teams then boothill will have to take that spot since that unit quite literally functions with every unit that helps him achieve his goal (pela, hunt march, luka, The other dps in the list lmao, hanya, and hmc). boot really only needs one of his 3 bis sups (hmc, ruan mei, or bronya) to be an exceptional 0-cycle unit. Now with that out of the way, valuing PF as a game mode, is the only way I see acheron being the "best" dps because she does function is all game modes admittedly tho her PF is a bit lack luster but better than the rest of the cast except Rappa. Even though Rappa is the worst PF premium unit (jade and argenti is better). good video I must say, but team restrictions are a huge turn off for me when it comes to determining who to put on my account, so this is why i value boothill to be the best dps due to his self-reliance and versatility of his bis teammates. Surprisingly, Acheron would also technically be here as well since she functions alright without jiaoqiu for now, but she suffers from the S1 plague more so than her competition.
"Break units need Ruan mei (universal t0 support that everyone should have)" Apparently is bad. Meanwhile Acheron needs jioaqiu (more niche unit who mainly works for Acheron teams with minor uses outside) is not valid in knocking Acheron down.
Feixiao doesn't need Robin. She honestly works with tons of characters. Acheron is buffed quite significantly with jiaoqiu, but she doesn't need him either :) She can ult a lot without him too, and still deals pretty insane damage+ults often. The reason FF+Boothill+Rappa need Ruan Mei is because without her, they do REALLY low damage. In Firefly's first MOC (designed for her ofc), clearing it with FF, but with no Ruan Mei, takes 6-7 cycles longer (iirc). That gap has only increased with time. Feixiao and Acheron can still clear without their best supports, but FF and the break dudes do NEED Weakness Efficiency. Editted cause I totally overreacted ongod :( mb lol, tired
@@HSRMOC The issue is that break teams REQUIRE your universal support in their team. So, the Ruan Mei you were using in your non-break team (like say, DPS), gets stolen. Now you need a replacement.
@lovestruck3328 Now, I know you don't know what you are talking about. Boothill with or without Ruan mei changes his dmg 0. He has no superbreak, so his dmg doesn't scale off of Ruan mei existing. Also, it's shocking to see a feixiao defender blatantly lie about feixiao not needing Robin when every main on reddit and every CC is telling you to pull Robin first to determine if you can play feixiao. Same way how every main and CC will tell you to pull Ruan mei first before considering FF or Rappa. Their performance will plummet without the core piece. Just to clarify my points, Ruan mei simplifies boothill's gameplay (trust he needs it for how data looks, lmao.), you agree with me that acheron sees a sizeable difference in performance but still is a contender without him at e0s1 specifically, and feixiao is gimped without Robin (half your dmg gone). I will elaborate that feixiao can make do without Robin by sticking a 3rd dps into the team lmao, but will still suffer a decent loss in performance. Hopefully, this clears everything up about why I have my views.
@@pieman2025 Hi. :) The thing with Boothill not needing Ruan Mei is literally just semantics and its not true anyway. He takes so much longer to ramp up without Ruan Mei's BEfficiency, so his general damage output drops by about half, since he's spending so long building up his Trickshots, and then he needs to shoot down a boss's break bar 3 times instead of 2, and it becomes a very slow slog. + Ruan Mei gives absurd Res Pen too :P So yeah. Semantics, and you're not arguing with me about the other two. Those are genuinely impossible to play without RM. So. That works. Anyways, the point I was making was that breakers plummet to extremely low damage without Ruan Mei... But without Robin, Feixiao is still VERY very viable. You are "sacrificing" extra damage by not having Robin, but even without, she is entirely playable and above average. TLDR: In short, with Robin, Feixiao is one of the two best DPSes in the game. Without, she can still be played. The same cannot be said for breakers.
1. Acheron 2. (Close second) Feixiao 3. Firefly 4. Boothill 5. Yunli (though it can also be rappa) I’m not considering 0 cycling, as that’s a bygone dream for most f2p players, and even if you use an e6 character, 0 cycles are not guaranteed. They’re mainly based on enemy lineup and lack of countering mechanics. If you did rate characters off of 0 cycling, then the whole list becomes a jumbled mess because each phase of MOC has a “best” character for the phase.
If we're talking about pure damage from the main dealer: Acheron If we're talking about overall team: Feixiao If we're talking about ease of use: Firefly If we're talking about fun: Rappa and Boothill My favorite dps's that were mentioned in the vid are Feixiao and Firefly. Feixiao's team and personal damage is really good and I love the Shunko ult. Firefly is really easy to use and I'm just a sucker for mech suits lol Sidenote: Not having JQ for Acheron nowadays feels really rough 😅
Great editing on this one, Moose! Also: I agree! The way I'd sum it up between Feixiao and Acheron is that Acheron is the current strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the current strongest F2P-friendly DPS. Feixiao has a lot going for her from a F2P perspective. She can take advantage of the 5* Herta LC, and the latest 4-star characters (also arguably the best 4-star characters we've ever seen in the game) work with her really really well, with March being straight up 100% free. Even her premium teammates are among the "must-pull" characters you'd probably want to get anyways. Acheron might be stronger and more versatile, but at a cost. She needs her LC and you'll probably have to pull for JQ (who is a teammate you're probably pulling specifically for Acheron, and probably won't use much elsewhere). Her F2P options aren't the greatest and she has no 100% free teammates like March or TB. Of course, a LC and a 5* teammate aren't crazy requirements, but it still needs more investment and commitment. That's why in my eyes Acheron takes the crown for strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the queen of F2P DPS.
Thanks, Victoria! Yep I think you summed it up very well, I 100% agree. Feixiao is definitely one of the best additions to the game, she makes the meta so much healthier because she's so easy to invest into. Honestly glad that March is getting so much attention in the meta, too. I was about to pull Feixiao just to make my March that much stronger but Lingshas hands were looking at me a certain way.
She's great, but in ApocShadow she can't do much when the boss is knocked down. Also, I haven't seen a showcase where her damage is comparable to Rappa or Acheron, yet anyway. Though she is definitely one of the best counters (pun intended) for Hoolay, and if we get more and more fast enemies like him she will definitely have a more set in stone place in the meta.
Absolurely. She’s top 4. She is the most versatile dps in the game. If we go off of how well each dos performs in all gamemodes. 1. Feixiao 2. Boothill 3. Firefly 4. Yunli 5. Acheron.
In overall versatility, she’s better than boothill and firefly, but she falls short of the versatility of Acheron, and the dmg output of boothill and feixiao. She’s definitely a really good 5th or 4th slot. (Incase you ask why, Yunli doesn’t have a way to ignore weakness which is present in pretty much any modern 5 star DPS. While she does take hoolay out on a dog walk, the hoolay side also provides the perfect reason why she isn’t top 3. The typing, the monkey and the shadow in phase 1 are absolutely awful for her.)
@@pally3370 I don't fully agree. I think Yunli is almost if not just as versatile than Acheron given all of the game modes. I argue that Yunli is t0 in MoC AND t0 in PF but t1 in apoc shadow. Acheron is t0.5 in MoC and Apoc and t0.5 in PF. Just my opinion. But Acheron doesn't have the damage capabilities of yunli while also being matched very closely in versatility. Also Acheron requires way more investment in the form of Jiaqiu and signature, you also want her e2
@@amrianachfa5654 bruh why people trash talk about FF. Fugue's kit is already leaked and that Nihility looks like 4 Harmonies. It will be nerfed obviously but Robin *was* Broken now.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 firefly is probably the most downplayed character either because they wanted SAM to be a guy and or because they need to justify skipping the arguably most broken character
@@donew1thita11 she literally clears everything easily and her scaling is all ATK% BE% making it the easiest character to build Coping is fine but outright denial of this level is crazy
rappa ult state eba has colorless weakness break but 50% on non imaginary. game's a waifu collector unless you go for zero cycles, it's only as hard as you want it to be since they give you 10 cycles.
Truthfully the tier lists don't really matter much tbh because of 2 teams. There's like what 30 characters but you only "need" 8? An easy solution is making another endgame mode that requires a 3rd team and they could even allow what Divergent Universe does with unbuilt characters (bring them up to level 80, give moderate relics and a decentish LC). That will make it possible to clear some but not all and still be fair enough for "newish" players
WHERE IS DR RATIO. on one side Im happy cause of firefly but I feel like boothill and Dr ratio do the same dmg in there best team. Besides that cool vid dude
@@Alex_skill_nerd damn harsh shit but I feel like Dr ratio is easier to play and he does pretty decent dmg Soo it's a dhil vs jingliu situation cause I know damn well boothill ain't gonna 1 shot hoolay
@@8lolbit59 you are comparing a none stop skill point issue to a ramp up you can get in two turns and just keep it to end without problems it's not my guy like boothill isn't that hard you just need to use your head and you wouldn't hit a moment where you can't actually use his power dhl without sp
@@Alex_skill_nerd sp issues where bro and in 2 turns Dr ratio can get 15 crit rate and 30 crit dmg also boothill being a break unit means she is looked into physical type enemies (yes he does implant with his ult but his ult takes 2-3 turns to get).
Honestly it's a race to see who has the best premium supports Acheron was arguably far weaker than firefly before jiaqiu and probably will yet again fall behind by the release of "fuge" And acheron is much more LC and E2 dependant that firefly is
Yep, Fugue is either gonna make Acheron worse than superbreak again or just buff both Superbreak and Acheron the same amount, depending on how much def% reduction her skill has. We'll have to see.
@@mooseoncaffeine leaks came out for her recently, as it stands, it doesn’t bring firefly above feixiao/acheron’s level, however it DOES bring firefly closer, but we’re still waiting on boothill showcases. Unfortunately, break has the terrible fate where it’s actually better to run a sustain rather than sustain less, because of the added toughness damage that sustain provides is crucial for actually being able to break and deal damage to the enemy. Most recent showcases using fugue are versus bosses that don’t have high toughness (like Svarog) so I’m still waiting on hoolay showcase at e0.
@pally3370 yep, I saw them and was insanely disappointed with Fugue's performance, its literally better to just run Lingsha instead. She's definitely receiving a buff if they truly want to sell or or make break better..
Topaz for me, not because of the highest damage, but because of her kits. Best with Feixiao. Safer run with Aventurine. Debuff faster for Acheron. Breakbuild somehow works with Firefly. Good synergies with other kits who gain stack from ally's (Robin's uptime, March talent, etc.). Elation is fun to play in a simulated universe. Also have BPLC just in case future mechanics need to spam dispel. Only 2 things she can't fit are dot team and normal hypercarry, except she is the carry one.
Yep. All that sounds about right. Though I'm not certain it's Ruan Mei specifically that Firefly needs, so much as two dedicated supports that assist with break. It's going to be interesting what that second break support is going to do and whether or not it's exchangeable enough to allow players a choice whether to swap out Ruan Mei or Harmony Trailblazer, or just force people to chose between HMC and [explitive deleted] Either way, I expect the ceiling to go up at that point and then the Break and FUA teams to probably go for a while without a major update.
There have already been calcs regardless of the multipliers given by Fugue that it's a major drop off in damage if u take out Ruan Mei. A break dps is different than ur typical crit dps. Break dps doesn't do damage until enemies are weakness broken. Much more so are the super break dps. Taking out Ruan Mei slows down the process of dealing superbreak dmg HARD. An example is a Fugue + RM + Lingsha + FF can 0 cycle Hoolay (based into calcs and simulation) but same can't be said to Fugue + HMC. Fugue HMC just doesn't break Hoolay fast enough. Not to mention, taking out Lingsha, who contributes to a major toughness reduction, would be an unwise move
@@AristineSilvanusI don't put any weight in pre-release calculations. Additionally speed tuning and proper use of timing is a concern that calculations don't consider here. Additionally, Fugue's own damage pushes Ruan Mei's contribution down, specifically in situations where the additional delay doesn't factor past the additional 15% already provides. The truth is, the shorter the fight is, the better Fugue gets due to the up front contribution of damage and the way the speed breakpoints land, especially if you're E2 Fugue. But it does raise optimal gear requirements.
Feixiao does not struggle in PF, with eagle set she easily achieves 40k in all PF rotations while being off-element. Feixiao's only weakness currently is five-target break focused bosses like AS Sunday.
Yep I've seen a couple others mention Feixiao with the Eagle set. Seems I was underestimating her. 🔥🫡 Still, I'd take Acheron for versatility because of the -20% res.
@@mooseoncaffeine You should check out some good PF showcases on Bilibili, regardless of whether you prefer Acheron or not. Would be a good reference for future videos!🔥
Waiting for dot meta to comeback... Edit: What I mean by meta to comeback is having a dedicated support and maybe a dedicated sustain. One idea in mind for DoT dedicated support something that would not decrease the stacks of dot ONLY for the next enemy turn. So when an enemy has 20 Blackswan stacks and it's their turn, the stacks will explode like normal but will still maintain 20 stacks. And when you stack it to 40 and the enemy move, it will explode and restart the stack all over again. As for the general support stuff, let her do reduce enemy resistances and increase allies speed when an enemy is weakness broken. Any element on her is fine, but fire or probably physical would be most likely one (Since blind fox and amnesia fox are both fire nihility). Second idea for the sustain is I read an interesting comment about vampiric dot which gives me an idea. the sustain would give DoT stacks to enemy up to 25-30 and every time this explode/proc, it would heal allies based on the unit attack and stacks and give them energy proportional to the amount of stacks (The energy is only if the stacks proc/explode naturally from enemy action). As for their general use, would still be related to DoT where they can increase her dot stack and detonate her own type of DoT (But not giving the energy). Also, their DoT can only be on one enemy, you can imagine how broken this would be without any restriction. Edit 2: Sorry for the DoT tangent even though the video isn't about that, lol. Praying 3.X would be the meta of DoT alongside summons.
@@mooseoncaffeine i have 50 pulls, what You recomend me more, pull for Acheron e2 unless i lose a 50/50 or full Fugue? Bcz Fugue eidolons are broken for being a Ruan Mei and a Robin together
@@Ab-gi1te Definitely for Fugue, more characters will almost always be better than more eidolons. Acheron's eidolons are crazy but support eidolons are almost guaranteed to be better.
I think Rappa is a pretty useless pickup if you have Firefly or Acheron, but otherwise she's wayy better than the doomers are saying, as this video says she's in the top 5. Even if you have Firefly, getting both Rappa and Fugue means you can have 2 superbreak teams, and that's definitely a way to destroy the whole game.
I wouldn't say Feixiao struggles in pure fiction. Ever since she came out, her team (Feixiao, Robin, Aven, March) clears for me everything with ease at 40k points
@rosseancollins1823 hmm, I see. She'd be even better with the FUA buffs. Pure Fiction is also getting changes that will make basically every character better. Maybe Feixiao and Acheron will become more or less equal, but is still think Acheron has a slight versatility edge because of the -20% All-Type RES.
im interested to see how rappa performs when she goes live, but due to her lower toughness damage to anything not imaginary, i think she may struggle more than the other 2 break dps. (not to downplay her crazy numbers in the right scenario though)
Yeah she's going to be incredibly strong, especially in the MoC and ApocShadow rotations dedicated to her, but as soon as there are no imaginary weak enemies she will be much weaker than Firefly.
I can't wait for Fugue to lauch Firefly into the stratosphere, the fact that she's about to get buffed its actually pure insanity and I'm all here for it
Acheron best Dps as she can save up op buffers for your second archetype team like Robin, Ruan, Sparkle and gets better as more nihility are released, even though Jiaoqiu is her bis nihility, imagine a all general nihility that does defense shred on a higher scale than silver wolf and is AoE? plus unlike kafka who needs DoT, Acheron just needs debuffs and there's ton's to go around which is why I main her because no matter how difficult the game gets, Acheron can be a last resort to brute force just in case, firefly or fei xiao are roughly equal imo but it's a fact Fei Xiao's premium team is better at faster clears, firefly's is better at f2p friendliness as you can output that dps on lower investment while acheron is an IN GENERAL dps that can go anywhere and kill, single target, aoe, break focused enemies because nihility characters can shred down toughness the most outside of break, and can still do damage regardless of toughness lock, I do disagree with fei xiao being the most f2p friendly dps though as that's firefly's position
Funnily enough the only thing in this video that I don't quite agree with is Robin being better than Ruan Mei. I pretty much agree with everything said, but I do think Rappa has a slight advantage over Boothill because of her AoE. I agree that they're pretty much equal otherwise, but if Firefly is getting buffed with Fugue then I'm guessing Rappa is too (pure speculation cuz I didn't look at leaks of Fugues kit) in which case the difference between Rappa and Boothill will be a lot clearer.
feixiao and follow team is so much better than acheron teams en any game mode, even in PF u can just slot a herta and the synergy is there is really good team
The only thing I disagree with is that your heavily undervaluing BH super break. I've used him with rm htb and Gallagher since his release and the team has never done me wrong. Bronya is definitely not needded
You misunderstand, I'm not dismissing Boothill superbreak as it's still very strong and will do *basically* the same thing Boothill break does. But, as I've been corrected many times by many Boothill mains, using Bronya instead of TB will be that much better.
Plus from my personal experience, u are tripping if u think Acheron is stronger than Firefly. These days, I personally feel like Acheron is quite lacking in terms of doing dmg when compared to either Firefly Superbreak comps and Feixiao FUA comps. So much so that Acheron has been biting the dust ever since Feixiao released. Heck, when Yunli released, Acheron feels like she's already lacking.
ApocShadow has been the break gamemode because it always has break buffs. Plus superbreak characters benefit the most from that huge action delay the boss gets. So yes, any superbreak character is going to be very strong there, just less so without the buffs. Look at the DoT buff that made Kafka and Black Swan just the best against Phantylia in ApocShadow. Buffs have an INSANE role. And from my personal experience, Acheron is definitely still the best. I think you're seeing her be less useful because of the endgame cycles. Without her though, I wouldn't have cleared anything in the last MoC, PF or ApocShadow. You can see the insane damage I was doing vs the Aventurine boss, in a *DoTcheron* team. I won't tell you Firefly isn't good though, she is absolutely insane, and it's great you're enjoying her. 🫡
@@mooseoncaffeine nuh uh. Idk about you but I run Acheron Jiaoqiu and that comp barely does 30k. May it be last PF or current PF. Plus did u miss playing the 2.4 Apoc Shadow or even the current one? The buffs are majorly for FUA. Even if that was the case, it still requires the breaking of toughness due to the steadfast safeguard mechanic being present on all 3. Even for someone who has E2S1 Acheron, I can confidently say she's not upto par with Feixiao or Firefly. I mean if u want to believe that Acheron is stronger then u do u! Just saying, that for someone who vertically invested on he comps of these 3, Acheron has been seen with the sizable decrease in performance.
@@Dxminicy0 i feel you but i pull from the heart . So if 3.0 dps are boring to me i won't pull. I'm not much of a "meta player" . Don't know if i'm saying it right. And feixia and acheron are like my favorite characters so yeah
She's definitely not better than Rappa. Rappa can do *way* more damage *way* more quickly than Yunli, at least the way I see it anyway. I haven't seen a showcase were Yunli can do even comparable damage to Rappa, let alone Acheron. However I'd love to be proven wrong, and also I'll say she's one of the best counters against Hoolay, and if we get more fast enemies in the future she'll be talked about way more.
@deadapple1700 Sparkle only advances 50% while Bronya advances by 100%. Sparkle has a bigger CD buff while Bronya has a bigger DMG% buff. Boothill doesn't make use of much CD, instead makes use of DMG% since he's a Break Effect character. Finally, Sparkle doesn't have as strong of an ATK buff as Bronya in non mono-quantum teams. Edit: Sparkle is better everywhere else though.
I feel firefly should be in the 2nd not feixiao .... Ff works in all 3 hard contents -- MOC , PF AND APOC While feixiao only works in APOC AND MOC ... So why the bias ???😮😮😮😮
Actually it seems Feixiao works in Pure Fiction too, because I've seen more than a couple comments talk about how she can 40k clear it with the Eagle set. It seems I was wrong about that. Also I still rated her higher even with my earlier reasoning because of the higher damage ceiling she has over superbreak, at least for now before Fugue.
@Onii-Chan-UwU yeah as I said in the video, superbreak is the best for F2Ps and those who just wanna relax, but the higher ceiling Feixiao and Acheron have make them better long term and especially for those who invest heavily into 1 or 2 characters or go for eidolons.
To me it's clear who's the best overall dps and it's easily Firefly. Not only does she deal a consistent 300-500K every attack so long as the enemy is weakness broken but her team is very f2p friendly, she's easy to build, she's super fast, she heals herself when she attacks, she breaks weaknesses super quickly, she also has a weakness implant which is infinitly better than weakness ignore since it's permanent and other teammates take advantage of it. Acheron and Feixiao on the other hand deal what? 200-600K per cycle? And on top of that they struggle a lot if the enemy doesn't have the right weaknesses unlike a certain someone.
I don't agree with your numbers. Sure, Firefly easily does those numbers, but Acheron and Feixiao with mid-high investment can do the same, and much more with higher investment. A well built Acheron with the right teammates EASILY does more than a million every burst, let alone every cycle. A well built Feixiao does more than 500k at mid investment per burst, and easily 750k+ at higher investment, not to mention the damage both of them do without their burst, even if Acherons is less, her Skill still does more than even Jingliu's enhanced skill. Firefly is definitely more F2P friendly and as i said shes the best for F2Ps and people who just want to relax, but Acheron and Feixiao have a higher damage ceiling, especially for people with better artifacts or more time or patience to invest into a certain character.
@@mooseoncaffeine What kind of Acheron are u running that’s dealing 200K per skill?💀 I’ll agree on 50K at most. As for damage outside of ults Acheron’s teammates deal booty cheeks damage. (Like 10-20K) per hit at most) Feixiao’s entire comp however does deal a considerable amount thanks to Robin but at the end of the day the damage is basically on the same level as Firefly’s. I’d understand a 3. Acheron 2. Firefly/ Feixiao 1. Feixiao/ Firefly, but Acheron at 1? Really?
@skystream4414 Then you don't have a highly invested acheron. I don't either, but I can bet you've definitely seen acheron do 150-200k with her skill. I've seen her do 130k+ with my horrible build that doesn't even use the right set. Watch some showcases man, Acheron and Feixiao highly invested do more damage than Firefly, while Firefly does more than them at lower investments, and that's exactly what I said in the video. Acherons teammates don't have to do damage if the enemies aren't even alive for them to do damage, which is exactly the situation in invested Acheron teams.
@skystream4414 also just want to be a lil transparent, just checked on Honeyhunter and Jinglius enhanced skill definitely does more of her ATK% to the enemy than Acheron's skill, sorry about the exaggeration. However, Acheron's skill definitely doesn't just do "50k". As I said, I've seen her do way more than even 100k. Maybe I just exaggerated because my Jingliu build is terrible.
Mb. I know… I should look at some guides since my 4500 atk, 70 crit rate, 180 crit dmg Acheron is so, so bad. And I have NEVER seen Acheron hit 200k skills outside of SU and DU.
The reason why Rappa still does damage to enemies even when they aren’t broken is because her talent allows her to gain stacks of charge that are used up when ulting. These charge stacks allow you to deal break damage to all enemies, regardless if they are the ones who are broken or not.
An example of this would be the Loufu Arumaton that imprisons you. When he goes into his no toughness damage state, and summons the two fish, if Rappa breaks the two fish on the side, the next attack she does will deal break damage to him regardless of him actually being broken or not.
Thanks for the info! I thought I was going crazy.
Boothill being one of the 2 hunt characters in the top 5 dps characters makes me happy
He deserves it 🫡
makes me happy that a really fun character in the story is also good in the meta
bootyhill destroying the enemies' bootycheeks
If only boothill was multi target, oh well 😅
@@bloonbrawler9872 ngl I would argue Yunli taking Boothils spot at least until a certain character comes out in a few months
I ultimately agree with basically everything said.
However I think you're really brushing off the fact that it *really really* depends on the current endgame cycle going on. Unless you have Jiaoqiu, then Acheron is much weaker than Feixiao in this cycle, on the contrary if the enemy has Lightning weakness but no Wind weakness Acheron is going to be much better, especially if there are 2 or more enemies.
And the fact that Rappa is as good as Acheron in the showcases because the next MoC cycle is highly tailored for her specifically.
Agreed, I should've put more emphasis on that.
Bottom line is: everyone will benefit hugely from having any one of these characters in their account
@@mooseoncaffeine or have firefly and just roll face over keyboard and win. Regardless what weakness is there.
@EnjoyGengar true.
@@EnjoyGengar Nah, FF needs Ruan Mei/HTB just like Acheron needs JQ/+other debuffers and Feixiao needs Robin/Topaz. Honestly, Adventurine is the only char that is pretty much universal and self reliant.
@@sphong0610 you only need ruan mei with you should have by now the other 2 are free LUL.
Firefly and BootHill are the most valuable dps for their weakness implant. Especially for f2p players. Having ONE dps that can add a weakness implant so you don’t have to struggle with MOC or bosses with a specific weakness element is a game changer. Firefly legit SAVED me during early game content. Acheron is amazing for exploration and SU but not necessary unless you want her.
Yes, Firefly and Boothill are incredibly valuable because of their weakness implant.
However don't forget that Acheron also completely ignores weaknesses. We are talking about F2Ps here though, and for low investment F2P accounts superbreak is the strongest.
Difference between ff and boothill is, BH does huge damage without superbreak meanwhil FF is technically married to HMC. Its not a case to argue though since HMC is free for everyone 😅
All fun and games until they release enemies that could lock their toughness, 😭 ( pls don't)
Well ff has a big difference in weakness implant and aoe unlike boothill only good against single target boss, Boothill weakness implant is mid.@@GettieJC
I have E2 Acheron, E2 Firefly and E2 Feixiao with alm their best supports
Id probably rank them as :
1. Feixiao
2. Firefly (Could change places with Feixiao delending on the MOC)
3. Acheron
Feixiao is insane. She has the highest single target damage in the game while also having a team that demolishes AOE scenarios with multiple eiltes because she can run a sub DPS. She also synergizes perfectly with Robin, the best harmony in the game. Just for context, Robin is BIS for teams that arent even FUA, so any DPS that takes full advantage of her buffs would in obviously be broken
Firefly is similar. Her entire team is boosted by superbreak, and that E2 is straight out of SU. So she deals damage that rivals hypercarries while her teammates also deal significant damage
Acheron is versatile but suffers from the fate all hypercarries do. Her teammates dont contribute much to the total damage at all, and you can only oush your hypercarry much. Its obvious she would fall slightly behind. But still, with her best team, she is also a string pick for virtually any content
You literally nailed it brother
Try Boothill. 1 enhanced basic = 1 Feixiao's ult.
It's hard not to have a strongest dps list without some biasness in the mix, but I feel the most egregious case of it was when mentioning that FF and Boothill and Rappa needs Ruan mei or they will suffer massive performance decline but not mention it as an issue for Feixiao with robin or Acheron with Jiaoqiu. I agree that the aforementioned break dps would need ruan mei to get their dmg out, but boothill is actually the exception to that rule because his dmg isn't tied to superbreak but break exclusively (dmg isn't determined on toughness dmg dealt).
If this list is noting everyone as e0s1 with optimal teams then feixiao has to be the best dps objectively, but if we aren't favoring most optimal teams then boothill will have to take that spot since that unit quite literally functions with every unit that helps him achieve his goal (pela, hunt march, luka, The other dps in the list lmao, hanya, and hmc). boot really only needs one of his 3 bis sups (hmc, ruan mei, or bronya) to be an exceptional 0-cycle unit.
Now with that out of the way, valuing PF as a game mode, is the only way I see acheron being the "best" dps because she does function is all game modes admittedly tho her PF is a bit lack luster but better than the rest of the cast except Rappa. Even though Rappa is the worst PF premium unit (jade and argenti is better).
good video I must say, but team restrictions are a huge turn off for me when it comes to determining who to put on my account, so this is why i value boothill to be the best dps due to his self-reliance and versatility of his bis teammates. Surprisingly, Acheron would also technically be here as well since she functions alright without jiaoqiu for now, but she suffers from the S1 plague more so than her competition.
"Break units need Ruan mei (universal t0 support that everyone should have)" Apparently is bad. Meanwhile Acheron needs jioaqiu (more niche unit who mainly works for Acheron teams with minor uses outside) is not valid in knocking Acheron down.
Feixiao doesn't need Robin. She honestly works with tons of characters.
Acheron is buffed quite significantly with jiaoqiu, but she doesn't need him either :) She can ult a lot without him too, and still deals pretty insane damage+ults often.
The reason FF+Boothill+Rappa need Ruan Mei is because without her, they do REALLY low damage. In Firefly's first MOC (designed for her ofc), clearing it with FF, but with no Ruan Mei, takes 6-7 cycles longer (iirc).
That gap has only increased with time. Feixiao and Acheron can still clear without their best supports, but FF and the break dudes do NEED Weakness Efficiency.
Editted cause I totally overreacted ongod :( mb lol, tired
@@HSRMOC The issue is that break teams REQUIRE your universal support in their team. So, the Ruan Mei you were using in your non-break team (like say, DPS), gets stolen. Now you need a replacement.
@lovestruck3328 Now, I know you don't know what you are talking about. Boothill with or without Ruan mei changes his dmg 0. He has no superbreak, so his dmg doesn't scale off of Ruan mei existing. Also, it's shocking to see a feixiao defender blatantly lie about feixiao not needing Robin when every main on reddit and every CC is telling you to pull Robin first to determine if you can play feixiao. Same way how every main and CC will tell you to pull Ruan mei first before considering FF or Rappa. Their performance will plummet without the core piece.
Just to clarify my points, Ruan mei simplifies boothill's gameplay (trust he needs it for how data looks, lmao.), you agree with me that acheron sees a sizeable difference in performance but still is a contender without him at e0s1 specifically, and feixiao is gimped without Robin (half your dmg gone). I will elaborate that feixiao can make do without Robin by sticking a 3rd dps into the team lmao, but will still suffer a decent loss in performance. Hopefully, this clears everything up about why I have my views.
@@pieman2025 Hi. :) The thing with Boothill not needing Ruan Mei is literally just semantics and its not true anyway.
He takes so much longer to ramp up without Ruan Mei's BEfficiency, so his general damage output drops by about half, since he's spending so long building up his Trickshots, and then he needs to shoot down a boss's break bar 3 times instead of 2, and it becomes a very slow slog. + Ruan Mei gives absurd Res Pen too :P
So yeah. Semantics, and you're not arguing with me about the other two. Those are genuinely impossible to play without RM. So. That works.
Anyways, the point I was making was that breakers plummet to extremely low damage without Ruan Mei... But without Robin, Feixiao is still VERY very viable.
You are "sacrificing" extra damage by not having Robin, but even without, she is entirely playable and above average.
TLDR: In short, with Robin, Feixiao is one of the two best DPSes in the game. Without, she can still be played. The same cannot be said for breakers.
1. Acheron
2. (Close second) Feixiao
3. Firefly
4. Boothill
5. Yunli (though it can also be rappa)
I’m not considering 0 cycling, as that’s a bygone dream for most f2p players, and even if you use an e6 character, 0 cycles are not guaranteed. They’re mainly based on enemy lineup and lack of countering mechanics. If you did rate characters off of 0 cycling, then the whole list becomes a jumbled mess because each phase of MOC has a “best” character for the phase.
If we're talking about pure damage from the main dealer: Acheron
If we're talking about overall team: Feixiao
If we're talking about ease of use: Firefly
If we're talking about fun: Rappa and Boothill
My favorite dps's that were mentioned in the vid are Feixiao and Firefly. Feixiao's team and personal damage is really good and I love the Shunko ult. Firefly is really easy to use and I'm just a sucker for mech suits lol
Sidenote: Not having JQ for Acheron nowadays feels really rough 😅
Great editing on this one, Moose!
Also: I agree! The way I'd sum it up between Feixiao and Acheron is that Acheron is the current strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the current strongest F2P-friendly DPS.
Feixiao has a lot going for her from a F2P perspective. She can take advantage of the 5* Herta LC, and the latest 4-star characters (also arguably the best 4-star characters we've ever seen in the game) work with her really really well, with March being straight up 100% free. Even her premium teammates are among the "must-pull" characters you'd probably want to get anyways.
Acheron might be stronger and more versatile, but at a cost. She needs her LC and you'll probably have to pull for JQ (who is a teammate you're probably pulling specifically for Acheron, and probably won't use much elsewhere).
Her F2P options aren't the greatest and she has no 100% free teammates like March or TB.
Of course, a LC and a 5* teammate aren't crazy requirements, but it still needs more investment and commitment.
That's why in my eyes Acheron takes the crown for strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the queen of F2P DPS.
Thanks, Victoria!
Yep I think you summed it up very well, I 100% agree.
Feixiao is definitely one of the best additions to the game, she makes the meta so much healthier because she's so easy to invest into.
Honestly glad that March is getting so much attention in the meta, too. I was about to pull Feixiao just to make my March that much stronger but Lingshas hands were looking at me a certain way.
id argue yunli should be a top 5 dps, she is one of the top dpses in every game mode
She's great, but in ApocShadow she can't do much when the boss is knocked down.
Also, I haven't seen a showcase where her damage is comparable to Rappa or Acheron, yet anyway.
Though she is definitely one of the best counters (pun intended) for Hoolay, and if we get more and more fast enemies like him she will definitely have a more set in stone place in the meta.
Absolurely. She’s top 4. She is the most versatile dps in the game. If we go off of how well each dos performs in all gamemodes.
1. Feixiao
2. Boothill
3. Firefly
4. Yunli
5. Acheron.
In overall versatility, she’s better than boothill and firefly, but she falls short of the versatility of Acheron, and the dmg output of boothill and feixiao. She’s definitely a really good 5th or 4th slot.
(Incase you ask why, Yunli doesn’t have a way to ignore weakness which is present in pretty much any modern 5 star DPS. While she does take hoolay out on a dog walk, the hoolay side also provides the perfect reason why she isn’t top 3. The typing, the monkey and the shadow in phase 1 are absolutely awful for her.)
@@mooseoncaffeinebet give me a few days, youll have a yunli showcase
@@pally3370 I don't fully agree. I think Yunli is almost if not just as versatile than Acheron given all of the game modes. I argue that Yunli is t0 in MoC AND t0 in PF but t1 in apoc shadow. Acheron is t0.5 in MoC and Apoc and t0.5 in PF. Just my opinion. But Acheron doesn't have the damage capabilities of yunli while also being matched very closely in versatility. Also Acheron requires way more investment in the form of Jiaqiu and signature, you also want her e2
I'm new to HSR, and your channel is probably the most informative. :)
Thanks for the support, and glad I'm helping! 🫡
wonderful video moose
Thank you, have a wonderful day yourself. 🫡❤️
The number 1 best?
Short Answer?: FF
Long Answer?: Fire "Oak Cake rolls" Fly
lol statement middfly cant do anything
Firefly is mid she is for casuals she can’t compare at high level play she has horrible scaling
@@amrianachfa5654 bruh why people trash talk about FF. Fugue's kit is already leaked and that Nihility looks like 4 Harmonies. It will be nerfed obviously but Robin *was* Broken now.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 firefly is probably the most downplayed character either because they wanted SAM to be a guy and or because they need to justify skipping the arguably most broken character
@@donew1thita11 she literally clears everything easily and her scaling is all ATK% BE% making it the easiest character to build
Coping is fine but outright denial of this level is crazy
This video is absolute cinema
Regardless of ranks, you're editing and explanations are super concise and helpful. Props to you buddy
Thanks! I appreciate it. 🫡❤️
You forget Yunli.
With Jiaoqiu/Robin/Huohuo she normally cause Single Target 450k ~ 500k
Yeah I'm definitely gonna make a video about Yunli too. Many people are mentioning her.
rappa ult state eba has colorless weakness break but 50% on non imaginary. game's a waifu collector unless you go for zero cycles, it's only as hard as you want it to be since they give you 10 cycles.
Truthfully the tier lists don't really matter much tbh because of 2 teams. There's like what 30 characters but you only "need" 8? An easy solution is making another endgame mode that requires a 3rd team and they could even allow what Divergent Universe does with unbuilt characters (bring them up to level 80, give moderate relics and a decentish LC).
That will make it possible to clear some but not all and still be fair enough for "newish" players
WHERE IS DR RATIO. on one side Im happy cause of firefly but I feel like boothill and Dr ratio do the same dmg in there best team. Besides that cool vid dude
Unfortunately he doesn't do 500k+ (optimally) back to back to back. Boothill does 🔥🙏
I never in my life see ratio one tap hoolay the day he does compare him to boothill
@@Alex_skill_nerd damn harsh shit but I feel like Dr ratio is easier to play and he does pretty decent dmg Soo it's a dhil vs jingliu situation cause I know damn well boothill ain't gonna 1 shot hoolay
@@8lolbit59 you are comparing a none stop skill point issue to a ramp up you can get in two turns and just keep it to end without problems it's not my guy like boothill isn't that hard you just need to use your head and you wouldn't hit a moment where you can't actually use his power dhl without sp
@@Alex_skill_nerd sp issues where bro and in 2 turns Dr ratio can get 15 crit rate and 30 crit dmg also boothill being a break unit means she is looked into physical type enemies (yes he does implant with his ult but his ult takes 2-3 turns to get).
Honestly it's a race to see who has the best premium supports
Acheron was arguably far weaker than firefly before jiaqiu and probably will yet again fall behind by the release of "fuge"
And acheron is much more LC and E2 dependant that firefly is
Yep, Fugue is either gonna make Acheron worse than superbreak again or just buff both Superbreak and Acheron the same amount, depending on how much def% reduction her skill has. We'll have to see.
@@mooseoncaffeine leaks came out for her recently, as it stands, it doesn’t bring firefly above feixiao/acheron’s level, however it DOES bring firefly closer, but we’re still waiting on boothill showcases.
Unfortunately, break has the terrible fate where it’s actually better to run a sustain rather than sustain less, because of the added toughness damage that sustain provides is crucial for actually being able to break and deal damage to the enemy. Most recent showcases using fugue are versus bosses that don’t have high toughness (like Svarog) so I’m still waiting on hoolay showcase at e0.
@pally3370 yep, I saw them and was insanely disappointed with Fugue's performance, its literally better to just run Lingsha instead. She's definitely receiving a buff if they truly want to sell or or make break better..
DMC is the best dps and it's not even close
101%
Rather than having e1/2 as the difference, its the team members thats gonna matter the most
True, I did put up some text that said it 100% matters depending on who you have on your account.
Topaz for me, not because of the highest damage, but because of her kits. Best with Feixiao. Safer run with Aventurine. Debuff faster for Acheron. Breakbuild somehow works with Firefly. Good synergies with other kits who gain stack from ally's (Robin's uptime, March talent, etc.). Elation is fun to play in a simulated universe. Also have BPLC just in case future mechanics need to spam dispel. Only 2 things she can't fit are dot team and normal hypercarry, except she is the carry one.
Remember the name: Raiden Mei
Yep. All that sounds about right.
Though I'm not certain it's Ruan Mei specifically that Firefly needs, so much as two dedicated supports that assist with break. It's going to be interesting what that second break support is going to do and whether or not it's exchangeable enough to allow players a choice whether to swap out Ruan Mei or Harmony Trailblazer, or just force people to chose between HMC and [explitive deleted] Either way, I expect the ceiling to go up at that point and then the Break and FUA teams to probably go for a while without a major update.
Yeah Fugue will definitely be a huge upgrade to Superbreak, the future meta all looks very fun.
If you need damage, HMC is easily the more important part, if you just want break efficiency then ruan mei.
There have already been calcs regardless of the multipliers given by Fugue that it's a major drop off in damage if u take out Ruan Mei. A break dps is different than ur typical crit dps. Break dps doesn't do damage until enemies are weakness broken. Much more so are the super break dps. Taking out Ruan Mei slows down the process of dealing superbreak dmg HARD. An example is a Fugue + RM + Lingsha + FF can 0 cycle Hoolay (based into calcs and simulation) but same can't be said to Fugue + HMC. Fugue HMC just doesn't break Hoolay fast enough. Not to mention, taking out Lingsha, who contributes to a major toughness reduction, would be an unwise move
@@AristineSilvanusI don't put any weight in pre-release calculations. Additionally speed tuning and proper use of timing is a concern that calculations don't consider here. Additionally, Fugue's own damage pushes Ruan Mei's contribution down, specifically in situations where the additional delay doesn't factor past the additional 15% already provides. The truth is, the shorter the fight is, the better Fugue gets due to the up front contribution of damage and the way the speed breakpoints land, especially if you're E2 Fugue. But it does raise optimal gear requirements.
Feixiao does not struggle in PF, with eagle set she easily achieves 40k in all PF rotations while being off-element. Feixiao's only weakness currently is five-target break focused bosses like AS Sunday.
Yep I've seen a couple others mention Feixiao with the Eagle set. Seems I was underestimating her. 🔥🫡
Still, I'd take Acheron for versatility because of the -20% res.
@@mooseoncaffeine You should check out some good PF showcases on Bilibili, regardless of whether you prefer Acheron or not. Would be a good reference for future videos!🔥
Waiting for dot meta to comeback...
Edit: What I mean by meta to comeback is having a dedicated support and maybe a dedicated sustain.
One idea in mind for DoT dedicated support something that would not decrease the stacks of dot ONLY for the next enemy turn. So when an enemy has 20 Blackswan stacks and it's their turn, the stacks will explode like normal but will still maintain 20 stacks. And when you stack it to 40 and the enemy move, it will explode and restart the stack all over again. As for the general support stuff, let her do reduce enemy resistances and increase allies speed when an enemy is weakness broken. Any element on her is fine, but fire or probably physical would be most likely one (Since blind fox and amnesia fox are both fire nihility).
Second idea for the sustain is I read an interesting comment about vampiric dot which gives me an idea. the sustain would give DoT stacks to enemy up to 25-30 and every time this explode/proc, it would heal allies based on the unit attack and stacks and give them energy proportional to the amount of stacks (The energy is only if the stacks proc/explode naturally from enemy action). As for their general use, would still be related to DoT where they can increase her dot stack and detonate her own type of DoT (But not giving the energy). Also, their DoT can only be on one enemy, you can imagine how broken this would be without any restriction.
Edit 2: Sorry for the DoT tangent even though the video isn't about that, lol. Praying 3.X would be the meta of DoT alongside summons.
I have Acheron and i will be going for Fugue, after that Boothill and full Acheron eidolons
@@Ab-gi1te Good luck, may your pities be early.
@@mooseoncaffeine i have 50 pulls, what You recomend me more, pull for Acheron e2 unless i lose a 50/50 or full Fugue? Bcz Fugue eidolons are broken for being a Ruan Mei and a Robin together
Is your acheron S1? If not, get her LC.
@@ABC-yj6cy ima day 1 player bro, obviously i have it s1 B))
@@Ab-gi1te Definitely for Fugue, more characters will almost always be better than more eidolons. Acheron's eidolons are crazy but support eidolons are almost guaranteed to be better.
Right now they are all pretty equal but with stingyun break will be in class of its own above the others
I think Rappa is a pretty useless pickup if you have Firefly or Acheron, but otherwise she's wayy better than the doomers are saying, as this video says she's in the top 5.
Even if you have Firefly, getting both Rappa and Fugue means you can have 2 superbreak teams, and that's definitely a way to destroy the whole game.
real ones pull fugue to make lingsha an even better DPS
"Imaginary Erudition" is pretty hard to say fast😅
What screaming 4362 scripted words into a bad mic does to a mf
almost as hard as silverwolf
Yunli should be on this list. She is pretty much the Boothill to Firefly just compared to Feixiao.
Yep, Im going to make a video about her. Many people are talking about her.
Blud is going to war with the firefloppers
I wouldn't say Feixiao struggles in pure fiction. Ever since she came out, her team (Feixiao, Robin, Aven, March) clears for me everything with ease at 40k points
@rosseancollins1823 hmm, I see. She'd be even better with the FUA buffs. Pure Fiction is also getting changes that will make basically every character better.
Maybe Feixiao and Acheron will become more or less equal, but is still think Acheron has a slight versatility edge because of the -20% All-Type RES.
Kafka is still #1 in my ❤️
I venture forth to hunt
meanwhile im here trying to fully max out jing yuan's potential
im interested to see how rappa performs when she goes live, but due to her lower toughness damage to anything not imaginary, i think she may struggle more than the other 2 break dps. (not to downplay her crazy numbers in the right scenario though)
Yeah she's going to be incredibly strong, especially in the MoC and ApocShadow rotations dedicated to her, but as soon as there are no imaginary weak enemies she will be much weaker than Firefly.
Rappa will definitely perform when she comes out. That's how MoC is designed to make players think and feel that new units are broken.
7:28 he does however get outgoing healing bonus based on his break effect but sure
True, but I feel an ERR rope would be better in this use case. You can get more than enough BE from substats.
I can't wait for Fugue to lauch Firefly into the stratosphere, the fact that she's about to get buffed its actually pure insanity and I'm all here for it
Forget about the video and use DoT Team for more challenging content!
Acheron best Dps as she can save up op buffers for your second archetype team like Robin, Ruan, Sparkle and gets better as more nihility are released, even though Jiaoqiu is her bis nihility, imagine a all general nihility that does defense shred on a higher scale than silver wolf and is AoE? plus unlike kafka who needs DoT, Acheron just needs debuffs and there's ton's to go around which is why I main her because no matter how difficult the game gets, Acheron can be a last resort to brute force just in case, firefly or fei xiao are roughly equal imo but it's a fact Fei Xiao's premium team is better at faster clears, firefly's is better at f2p friendliness as you can output that dps on lower investment while acheron is an IN GENERAL dps that can go anywhere and kill, single target, aoe, break focused enemies because nihility characters can shred down toughness the most outside of break, and can still do damage regardless of toughness lock, I do disagree with fei xiao being the most f2p friendly dps though as that's firefly's position
5. Rappa
4. Boothill
3. Acheron/Yunli
2. Firefly
1. Feixao
my opinion is factual
Rappa V5 came out what!!!? The website that i use is bugged and i can't see if was a buff in Rappa Break Tenacity. But if is, then she is mega buffed.
Apparently it didn't make any changes, just some rewordings, if I remember correctly.
Funnily enough the only thing in this video that I don't quite agree with is Robin being better than Ruan Mei. I pretty much agree with everything said, but I do think Rappa has a slight advantage over Boothill because of her AoE. I agree that they're pretty much equal otherwise, but if Firefly is getting buffed with Fugue then I'm guessing Rappa is too (pure speculation cuz I didn't look at leaks of Fugues kit) in which case the difference between Rappa and Boothill will be a lot clearer.
Going for e2 Lunae anyways 😂 Fun vid
okay but kafka is hotter than acheron so im gonna use her
just use both
I destroyed that aventurine boss with them
And black swan for good measure
Imagine if revived fox lady is a dot support and not break
@@mooseoncaffeine e6 black swan so any ally attack inflicts debuff
Dmg potential wise I think it's boothill Trump's all
feixiao and follow team is so much better than acheron teams en any game mode, even in PF u can just slot a herta and the synergy is there is really good team
The only thing I disagree with is that your heavily undervaluing BH super break. I've used him with rm htb and Gallagher since his release and the team has never done me wrong. Bronya is definitely not needded
You misunderstand, I'm not dismissing Boothill superbreak as it's still very strong and will do *basically* the same thing Boothill break does. But, as I've been corrected many times by many Boothill mains, using Bronya instead of TB will be that much better.
16:50 what is blud talking about? Apoc Shadow is THE break game mode. Wdym without these break buffs, it's literally about breaking the boss.
Plus from my personal experience, u are tripping if u think Acheron is stronger than Firefly. These days, I personally feel like Acheron is quite lacking in terms of doing dmg when compared to either Firefly Superbreak comps and Feixiao FUA comps. So much so that Acheron has been biting the dust ever since Feixiao released. Heck, when Yunli released, Acheron feels like she's already lacking.
ApocShadow has been the break gamemode because it always has break buffs. Plus superbreak characters benefit the most from that huge action delay the boss gets. So yes, any superbreak character is going to be very strong there, just less so without the buffs. Look at the DoT buff that made Kafka and Black Swan just the best against Phantylia in ApocShadow. Buffs have an INSANE role.
And from my personal experience, Acheron is definitely still the best. I think you're seeing her be less useful because of the endgame cycles. Without her though, I wouldn't have cleared anything in the last MoC, PF or ApocShadow. You can see the insane damage I was doing vs the Aventurine boss, in a *DoTcheron* team.
I won't tell you Firefly isn't good though, she is absolutely insane, and it's great you're enjoying her. 🫡
@@mooseoncaffeine nuh uh. Idk about you but I run Acheron Jiaoqiu and that comp barely does 30k. May it be last PF or current PF.
Plus did u miss playing the 2.4 Apoc Shadow or even the current one? The buffs are majorly for FUA. Even if that was the case, it still requires the breaking of toughness due to the steadfast safeguard mechanic being present on all 3. Even for someone who has E2S1 Acheron, I can confidently say she's not upto par with Feixiao or Firefly. I mean if u want to believe that Acheron is stronger then u do u! Just saying, that for someone who vertically invested on he comps of these 3, Acheron has been seen with the sizable decrease in performance.
who to choose between acheron or feixiao ? i won't i'll just get both and take them as my dps in two teams
If you have neither id wait for 3.0 dps at this point
@@Dxminicy0 i feel you but i pull from the heart . So if 3.0 dps are boring to me i won't pull. I'm not much of a "meta player" . Don't know if i'm saying it right. And feixia and acheron are like my favorite characters so yeah
Saying superbreak not having high ceiling is a lie lmao. It has the highest ceiling.
Boothill, ff, and rapp are on top. Acheron and feixiao are 2nd.
capping hard putting rappa and boothill in the thumbnail
Guys this question is pointless. I’m the strongest dps everyone already knows that.
Acheron no 1 dps in 2.5? Please tell me this is a joke lmao. Heck, shes not even top 3 anymore lol.
What about Yunli? She's for sure at the same level of Rappa if not better ..
She's definitely not better than Rappa. Rappa can do *way* more damage *way* more quickly than Yunli, at least the way I see it anyway. I haven't seen a showcase were Yunli can do even comparable damage to Rappa, let alone Acheron.
However I'd love to be proven wrong, and also I'll say she's one of the best counters against Hoolay, and if we get more fast enemies in the future she'll be talked about way more.
yunli is crying
Why cant i use sparkle for boothill?
@deadapple1700 Sparkle only advances 50% while Bronya advances by 100%. Sparkle has a bigger CD buff while Bronya has a bigger DMG% buff. Boothill doesn't make use of much CD, instead makes use of DMG% since he's a Break Effect character.
Finally, Sparkle doesn't have as strong of an ATK buff as Bronya in non mono-quantum teams.
Edit: Sparkle is better everywhere else though.
@@mooseoncaffeine Oh! This is an insightful guide, i had trouble understanding it before and this helped alot! Thank you!
Lil bro acheron still deals less dmg vs lightning res enemies cuz her pen isnt 140%
I feel firefly should be in the 2nd not feixiao ....
Ff works in all 3 hard contents -- MOC , PF AND APOC
While feixiao only works in APOC AND MOC ...
So why the bias ???😮😮😮😮
Actually it seems Feixiao works in Pure Fiction too, because I've seen more than a couple comments talk about how she can 40k clear it with the Eagle set. It seems I was wrong about that.
Also I still rated her higher even with my earlier reasoning because of the higher damage ceiling she has over superbreak, at least for now before Fugue.
@@mooseoncaffeine but still I feel BREAK is easier to build and utilize over FUA hunt in the pf and all over ...
@Onii-Chan-UwU yeah as I said in the video, superbreak is the best for F2Ps and those who just wanna relax, but the higher ceiling Feixiao and Acheron have make them better long term and especially for those who invest heavily into 1 or 2 characters or go for eidolons.
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Rappa is not top 5 lol she only is if you have imaginary weak stages otherwise nah
Acheron is NOT the hottest rappa and feixiao are literally HOTTER
yes she is don't let me get Mr keys on you
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That Acheron team is sus. Sparkle and Robin?
You misunderstand. 1 nihility character and Robin, OR Sparkle if Robin is busy in another team or unavailable.
To me it's clear who's the best overall dps and it's easily Firefly. Not only does she deal a consistent 300-500K every attack so long as the enemy is weakness broken but her team is very f2p friendly, she's easy to build, she's super fast, she heals herself when she attacks, she breaks weaknesses super quickly, she also has a weakness implant which is infinitly better than weakness ignore since it's permanent and other teammates take advantage of it. Acheron and Feixiao on the other hand deal what? 200-600K per cycle? And on top of that they struggle a lot if the enemy doesn't have the right weaknesses unlike a certain someone.
I don't agree with your numbers. Sure, Firefly easily does those numbers, but Acheron and Feixiao with mid-high investment can do the same, and much more with higher investment.
A well built Acheron with the right teammates EASILY does more than a million every burst, let alone every cycle. A well built Feixiao does more than 500k at mid investment per burst, and easily 750k+ at higher investment, not to mention the damage both of them do without their burst, even if Acherons is less, her Skill still does more than even Jingliu's enhanced skill.
Firefly is definitely more F2P friendly and as i said shes the best for F2Ps and people who just want to relax, but Acheron and Feixiao have a higher damage ceiling, especially for people with better artifacts or more time or patience to invest into a certain character.
@@mooseoncaffeine What kind of Acheron are u running that’s dealing 200K per skill?💀 I’ll agree on 50K at most. As for damage outside of ults Acheron’s teammates deal booty cheeks damage. (Like 10-20K) per hit at most) Feixiao’s entire comp however does deal a considerable amount thanks to Robin but at the end of the day the damage is basically on the same level as Firefly’s. I’d understand a 3. Acheron 2. Firefly/ Feixiao 1. Feixiao/ Firefly, but Acheron at 1? Really?
@skystream4414 Then you don't have a highly invested acheron. I don't either, but I can bet you've definitely seen acheron do 150-200k with her skill. I've seen her do 130k+ with my horrible build that doesn't even use the right set.
Watch some showcases man, Acheron and Feixiao highly invested do more damage than Firefly, while Firefly does more than them at lower investments, and that's exactly what I said in the video.
Acherons teammates don't have to do damage if the enemies aren't even alive for them to do damage, which is exactly the situation in invested Acheron teams.
@skystream4414 also just want to be a lil transparent, just checked on Honeyhunter and Jinglius enhanced skill definitely does more of her ATK% to the enemy than Acheron's skill, sorry about the exaggeration.
However, Acheron's skill definitely doesn't just do "50k". As I said, I've seen her do way more than even 100k. Maybe I just exaggerated because my Jingliu build is terrible.
Mb. I know… I should look at some guides since my 4500 atk, 70 crit rate, 180 crit dmg Acheron is so, so bad. And I have NEVER seen Acheron hit 200k skills outside of SU and DU.
I ain’t listening to all of that
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