Tommy Richman Said He's Not Hip-Hop, DJ Hed Challenged Him & There's Context
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- On Oct. 2, Tommy Richman tweeted that he wasn't a Hip-Hop artist, DJ Hed challenged him because there is a complicated history of white artists who benefit from Hip-Hop and then abandon the genre. Let's discuss.
#tommyrichman #milliondollarbaby #DJHed
I’m just glad he identified his self and separated his self from the genre. He’s definitely not HIP-HOP. Maybe he meant to say he’s not a RAPPER.
Yeah i think he meant to say he’s not a rapper too
SupaHotFire? 👀
He did clarify that he didn't want to be boxed. Have you listened to his new album, Coyote, tho? It's definitely a blend of a lot of stuff that I can't really fault him for saying what he said. Very experimental music/sound. Seems to blend hip hop, funk, R&B/new jack, and HEAVY influence on 80s electronic sound. All the songs on that album has absolutely no resemblance to million dollar baby which kind of took me by surprise.
@@truthknow5502 It’s CLEAR that you haven’t distinguished the difference between HIP-HOP & RAP he’s not HIP-HOP because he’s not an MC. He just made a GREAT MICROWAVEABLE RAP SONG! MC’s have a message VS RAPPERS just make melodies & words sound good in a pocket on a beat. Durk is a RAPPER vs Joey Badass is an MC
I'm a South African - so an outsider looking in. Yes, Hip-Hip is too welcoming when it comes to who it allows within the space. A better job can and should be done when it comes to gate-keeping.
I’m glad you said it. I agree
who do you think the gate keepers are after it became commercialized? White execs! You should know better coming from apartheid!!! You an afrocaner?
What’s wrong with us? Why do we feel we need to gatekeep things we create? Should white people gate keep UA-cam since they created it? Should they gate keep the internet? What about basketball? What about the automobile? Art is art. Everyone has the right to express themselves how they want to, you can’t tell me nothin! We’re all human first.
Y’all have also had different countries appropriating amapiano. It’s just not easy gatekeeping because of the internet now.
@@JanetAfi-gj9bk I get the point you're trying to make, but I think it doesn't fit in this particular case. Yes, different countries and artists have labeled the music they make as Amapiano, which can't really be controlled, but I think gate-keeping is about how those countries and artists aren't viewed as Amapiano in South Africa. South Africans don't recognise them and their 'art' isn't played by South African radio stations. When we have our music awards, we don't recognise them. That's gate-keeping. This is what I'm saying Hip-Hop should do a better job at. Imitation will always be there, but it's about whether the culture accepts the copycats. Amapiano doesn't. We don't even view that music as Amapiano.
"She was doing some kind of twerking" 🤣🤣
I meeeeeeeean
That line caught me off-guard 😂🤣
Two legends interacting, love to see it
It’s all happening!
She did her best haha.
How nobody told her how wack she looked doing that?
I never accepted post Malone. I never listened to his music bc as soon as I saw that white Iverson video I knew what it was. A mf can use the culture to get on then leave. I always say they love the culture but don’t love us🤷🏽♂️. We be allowing artist not from the culture to be in it.
"Who you think they talk about, talk about us!
Who you think they copy off, copy off ussssss!"
THIS N95 HAD IT
lol bro this is exactly why the dude said he wasn’t hip hop. If he says he’s hip hop then yall feel you have a certain ownership over him and his career. The way they treating Paige bueckers compared to Clark. Y’all be like “oooo nice another guy to put in the white rapper box and use him to promote our agenda.”
@@jofieji5312your Gaye
@@jofieji5312next time, just say you don’t understand you’ll sound less angry and gain some knowledge instead of just saying shit
@@jofieji5312 he didn’t articulate his answer well enough to express what you’re saying. You can be hiphop as well as other things. Russ has never once said no BS like that lol. He knows dang well what has influenced the music he makes. Also he probably wasn’t aware of the argument of people just using hiphop, being embraced by the culture just to then shit on it as if it isn’t a serious genre of music
Why do we all always accept their apologies when they do the most egregious things to hip-hop, Black people.
It's cause we accept anything...we set no boundaries n bend rules 4 every race except our own.
Because we're not hypocrites. We're being inclusive the way we think they should and demonstrate how that could look but they don't catch on. We don't need to stop being inclusive, nothing wrong with forgiving but that doesn't mean be naive. The naive part is turning our brain off and assuming because its got a vibe that they get it. Don't assume they get the bigger picture. Eminem understood, Pall Wall understood, and a few other white artist understood the bigger picture and never disrespected hip hop/black people but not everyone who enjoy's hip hop does.
@@StephTerry-c2y and inadvertently, emenim moreso than paul wall, has fans who dont even listen to rap outside of em which causes another strain of brain dead takes like post malone's regarding hip hop.
@@christiancrews4278 I agree but I can't blame Em for his fans obnoxiousness. i don't count it against him for appealing to crowds outside the traditional hip hop audience. HE never disrespected hip hop or black people once he achieved that fame. When You see Post Malone egregiously use hip hop to get his fame up and abandon his costume as soon as he got a chance...Wanting to be more than hip hop is one thing but trashing our culture once you got what you wanted from it is the violation.
We need to have that Post Malone convo…he blatantly used hip hip.
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Not at all, post is the guy ! His biggest songs are with swae lee and 21 savage ,and those happened LATER ON IN HIS CAREER. Y’all so corny
For fucken real yooooo.
I got so heated when I saw that he said that if you want to listen to something meaningful and emotional, hip hop is not what you're looking for.
To use hip hop to launch yourself into a shitty pop country career is one thing, but to still have the audacity to besmirch the art form...maaaaaaaaan fuck Post Malone
he is trash
@@tkbaku3036F Post and every other culture vulture and leech.
I not once thought MIllion Dollar Baby was a hiphop track. It’s so R&B influenced
People say "gatekeeping" as if it's a bad thing.
It is when you’re on the wrong side of it.
@@whateverman23in this case it's not a bad thing
Well because the term was originally used in a negative way. Like when rock fans Kate kept who was and wasn’t punk. So it does carry a negative connotation. Doesn’t mean it’s not necessary
As a Black American, I learned years ago. I gate keep. I don’t care who doesn’t like it. This is the main reason why I put my full weight behind Kendrick during the battle against the foreigner.
I gate keep too on quality that’s why I don’t listen to your pied piper Kendrick….also his competitor for that matter. Although between the two…Drake objectively makes better records.
@@be3933And that’s the beauty of life, we have choices. 👍🏾🙂 I can’t wait to see the pied piper perform at the super bowl! 🥰
@@be3933pied piper 😂 Kendrick is not R Kelly drake is more similar to Kells so technically he’s the pied piper of the game currently
We need to gatekeep again fr
I understand your point but, before we do anything we need to take away the keys to the gates from the record industry, they is who fuc**d up hip hop and use it against us, pin it against us and became rich of it. I'm talking the Diddy's. and the Clives.
Yo, I appreciate what you do Rob even with no brand backing you, you continue to show and prove that it’s always been you. You were “genius” in my opinion that’s why I’ll forever support you. Keep doing your thing. Salute
Facts! I love how he speaks about the history of hip-hop
Wow. Honestly Los, that means THE MOST. Thank you.
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I did find it weird how this particular song was playing during the same time Drake and Kendrick was battling
Spotify had a habit of adding it to my Kendrick Lamar Playlist. 😡
What do you believe that insinuates?
Because their situation had nothing to do with what what the algorithm was already eating off tommy snippets just because theirs a fight In McDonald’ don’t mean u can’t get your meal from Wendy’s 😂
@@jaychulo.F Poetry
@@tevinbrown1004I’m sayin bro 😭 ✍️
Bro, I love your insight. Your history and experience in this culture.... your voice and opinion is appreciated.
Thank you H Town!!!!
If you gotta make the second statement, you probably should’ve never made the first.
Wasn’t an issue until he brought it up.
Don’t declassify yourself as a hip hop artist but have elements of hip-hop in your attire, music videos and overall aesthetic.
Example: Low rider with hydraulics, baggy clothes, gold grills, flashy jewelry, hip-hop instrumentals, etc.
He knew what he was doing. He may not have labeled himself as a hip-hop artist publicly in a “statement” but the art spoke for itself and that is part of what he was portraying in it.
@@supermagnumable These artists need to take notes from Mac Miller and Eminem.
These two artists know that they have benefited from Hip-Hop and have always gave Hip-Hop its flowers and have always respected those that came before them that laid the foundation for hip hop.
Tommy shot himself in the foot by saying this. Just another Post Malone in the making.
Those Esthetics are used R&B aswell which is his lane. Like hiphop isnt the only genre that uses those examples. Million dollar baby is cleary a pop r&b mix which is what most of the people know him for. Not hiphop. If you think hip hop when you see him its only showing me how narrrow your brain is. And thats sad
@@jahkareramkissoon419 those aesthetics are not R&B either and thats another problem. R&b changed its presentation when ty dolla sign and that generation started. I know u heard people say that r&b dont exist, just people who sound like rappers harmonizing. Also pop r&b still dont not make his statements offensive. My question is, why dont these people do other generes of music. Why post malone come out as white iverson just to want to do country? Why not do country first? Thats like beyonce doing country first, then say if i want to hear songs about pain and love i listen to R&B and then go on to make love songs in r&b but when she was doing country she contributed to her critique of the art form 😂. U gotta read between the lines bro and in this case, u dont even have too...its blatant. Just like Billie eilish. She literally dress like me when i was in middle school but do u EVER think she gone show who and where exactly she stole that style from? Again bro, dont look at what people say, watch what they do.
Wtf are you talking about? You're just yappinflg, and why were you dressing like a girl in middle school? Ya weirdo@@christiancrews4278
I think he meant he’s not a rapper. He’s a genre bending artist based on his album. We can’t blame him for us embracing something he never claimed. It was a bop in the hip hop realm so it went on our radio stations. Blame hip hop for being so accepting 🤷🏿♂️
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Agreed. The great "embracing everyone and everything as part of the culture" sword of hiphop is double edged.
We’re accepting and he rejected it. Its not his fault he is accepted but it is his fault he reacted that way
@@KaylaMarieQhe didn’t react any way, dude literally said he’s just not a hip hop artist lmfao, he didn’t say f hip hop. He didn’t say I hate hip hop. He didn’t say I wish hip hop never liked me. He said im not a hip hop artist. This is ridiculous and exactly why I left hip hop for other genres, AND IM BLACK. Y’all are insane, we get mad at this but don’t get mad at DRILL RAP AND SEXY REDD. Insanity
@@notreallyafamousartist695 he is played on hip hop radio stations and embraced by hip hop.
So saying “im not hip hop” is just weird and unnecessary.
Its like of someone invites someone to their thanksgiving dinner and they come over and eat and then the next day goes “i dont celebrate thanksgiving”
Okay but you came and ate so what are you talking about now??
Tommy Richman put his foot in his mouth. SMH. Either say, “I’m not a rapper, but I AM hip-hop,” or just don’t say anything. Let the music speak for itself. We’ll know what you’re doing if you go techno or alternative. But he didn’t need to tweet that.
I just think Twitter was the wrong place for that, and there was really no context to it.
@@RobMarkman agreed!
But is he reallllly hip hop though? He's a white man that makes music with hip hop influences, but is that all it takes to makes a dude hip hop to yall? If anything the right move as a collective would be to tell him "aite cool" and gatekeep him out of any cultural relevancy the way country is doing to Beyonce
@@mlucky12 I have to hear more from him. But so far, I would say he’s hip hop. He may not be a rapper or lyricist but hip hop is broad enough to include him. Or maybe not now lol.
@r0mediddy I think I have a more culturally rooted definition of what makes someone hip hop lol, I think Tommy Richman is a talented artist that was clearly influenced by Pharrell and Timbo. And I think million dollar baby is catchy. But that's it lol.
I think it’s fine to move in and out of genres. Michael Jackson did it and Beyoncé is currently doing. The problem is dissing or looking down on a genre or community you were once involved in. Miley’s comments and Post Malone’s comments bother me a lot more than Tommy Richman’s. Especially with how quickly Tommy made a correction and elaborated on what he was trying to say.
It’s a no win situation. if Tommy said he was a hip hop artist, I bet some people would have a problem with that. I am black, and I see him as a pop artist.
He didn’t have to say anything. Could’ve just kept making his music and if path is pure it’ll be shown with time.
@@MartyMcFly__25 He surely would have been better off staying quiet.🤐
I’m less concerned with Tommy learning the lesson then for us to learn the lesson. The list of artists back peddling after offensive tweets is still not uncovering the whole truth. I’m less interested in shaming the artists than I am in knowing what the real conversations were that had them say those things. What do their management teams know that we don’t. I trust Rob’s intent 100% and I want to draw out the bigger picture in the way hip hop is looked at by different entities. We also can’t flinch when Hip Hop gets feedback that’s real. Hip Hop is being treated like a limited genre. We have Andre 3000 who said that and even Doechii just recently added that hip hop could talk more about what we learned than what we have. I’m down for this to be explored more.
lol busted out the pop smoke @ 1:52 😂 another great vid rob, totally agree w all you laid out!
Lmaooooo not pop smoke
I’m glad u brought up Hanna Montana… nobody remembers when she said she didn’t kno who Jay-Z was
By this reasoning, Beyoncé's statement was absolutely a slap in the face to the country genre.
Beyonce is from Texas and always loved country music. made country and country inspired music for years
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@@kxngmuzikig2417 exactly....Beyonce is not a culture vulture she comes from that country music thing.
@@kxngmuzikig2417 this has nothing to do with the comment
@@jordandavis3867 she just used it when convenient got herself a Levi campaign on top and will move on to whatever else suits her
This video got me emotional today. Well said, as usual, Rob!
Fair points. Good content as always, Rob. He should've worded it better. Anyway shouts to LMNO, Tab-One, Exile, Alchemists, Red Pill, Verbal Kent, Your old droog, Aesop Rock, Paul Wall, Thee Tom Hardy, El-P, Joe Scudda. I could name more but you get the point 🙌🏽.
Personally I never saw him as a hip hop artist so his comment didn't really phase me...however, I do think we should gatekeep the culture a lot more...on another note, Rob are you going to change the name of your channel to 'Just My Thoughts with Rob Markman' or something like that?
lol what culture? The drug game?
@@jofieji5312 🤖
So many good questions asked here. Love the conversations being held here.
This was a really great video.. Particularly, I enjoyed the nuances you pointed out between rap and hip hop. And I agree, we need to do better as gate keepers of our music 🎶! I’m not going to use the word “culture” because part of the culture promotes toxicity..
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Most people are pretty clear they don't know what hip-hop is & dont care. Thats how they grew up loving drake & autotune...why would they give af.🤷🏾♂️
Even tho I love a lot of other genres, saying that you never "cried" or "had emotional moments" with hiphop is such a tell that you dont know a thing about the music, let alone the culture. He's just another white suburban kid.
If he's collaborated with MCs in the past, and then takes those sounds of hip-hop and evolves those sounds to the point of his current chart toppers, he has to know what he's doing. My biggest thing is the knee jerk reaction these artists feel: it's like they need to distinguish themselves from hip-hop completely as if its lesser.
Beyonce having Miley Cyrus and Post Malone on Cowboy Carter is a conversation not enough people talk about considering their treacherous history in our culture 😅 she called out the hypocrisy of us being so welcoming of others who use our culture yet get boxed out when we try to reclaim it.
I was a little confused about the backlash from his tweet but this really helped me to understand it and agree. We do need to gatekeep more. And I hope we do.
Great commentary!🎉🎉
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I will say just looking through Tommy Richman's discography on Apple Music, he has multiple songs listed under several different genres like pop, R&B/Soul and alternative. Generally speaking over the last decade, it seems like there's a bunch of artists that haven't necessarily stuck to just doing one genre of music, to the point where trying to classify something by genre almost seems archaic.
This a serious conversation we need to have cause they use our music and culture to make a name for themselves and when it’s time to move on they don’t give back in a positive way.
We have struggles,battles, wars that they can never relate to and we can’t just leave and it’s not sad for us but it becomes sad once it gets used by other people that don’t understand that part of it or take the time to understand us.
Million Dollar Baby is a pop/r&b record in my eyes. He never presented himself as a hip-hop artist but because of who he works with he gets put in that category. I understand what he's trying to say he just worded it wrong
Blacks and black culture are just welcoming as whole
The most memorable line from million dollar baby is “I ain’t never repped a set baby” Not that gangs = hip hop. But he definitely learned what a set was from Hip hop. Something to think about
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I don’t care for their apologies. It happens time and time again.
This is what happens when we allow lines to be blurred. I remember reading an article where chris brown was referred to as a rapper. Is it the cadence and/or the beat that makes ppl think certain artists are hip hop artists?
Never even listened to Post Malone because I knew from the rip he was going to run. I remember arguing about this with people. For Post Malone to say hip hop is not emotional tells me he’s limited. Miley Cyrus is another one!
There was a time when hip-hop wasn't the dominant music on the planet Earth. Hip-hop must downsize, so people who are really sincere will do this thing rather than be marketed in a way that they don't agree with or even know about because they're not in those meetings with the executives who market their creativity in ways that they don't appreciate.
That’s probably gonna happen anyway since it seems like the money is drying up
For me being an artist myself for a second, I believe that everybody should be able to experiment with every genre of music. It could help them with versatility and also evolve them musically. I can understand a bit of the backlash but however (just my opinion) there is a mix of both gatekeeping and marginalization from all genres which isn’t fair to any artist who may want to try a different sound out or don’t want to be boxed in and that may not be their particular style of music.
Gatekeeping has been a problem for our people to hold down for a long time. From Country all the way to Hip Hop.
Until we as Black Americans address this issue, the cycle will forever repeat.
broski said we gone pay these bills😂 hustlin on the road!💯🔥
Ebro just mentioned something on this topic on the last episode of Rap Life Review. He said something along the lines of the culture needs to do better at protecting itself bc the artists coming just to monetize off of the trends water down the music. The core elements of hip hop still exist, but it becomes harder to identify for new listeners of the genre. Their last episode was a good watch.
You're content is authentic. I dont know the artist or even know the song but I can understand by your insight
Thank you 🙏
Agree with You 1000% Talk that Talk. Peace.
There’s a huge difference in “I’m not hip hop” vs “I’m not solely hip hop”. He back pedaling a bit trying to say he misspoke.
I believe him, i think he misspoke
This why we need lyrical bars, it used to be harder to be in hip hop because people could simply not rap good enough or even sing well enough. It should not have been that EASY for him to even tweet that. Gotta put more respect on the art of hip hop
I love this topic. Artists catch a lick off the backs of rap, but when it comes to identity, they do so much to push themselves away. I don't hold this so much against Tommy but we got tons of artists when they've dried up the well, they move to "what they want to do" or some shit like that. You can definitely do stuff you like but don't do hip hop like a one and done.
As a NY'er Hot 97 is on the drake stimmy plan. It's 22/7 drake all day every day. It sucks!
But they play Not Like Us all day now lol
This is just a microcosm of life. There’s not much that can be done about it when the people who push the music, consume the music may not be fully hip hop themselves, and it props these artists up in a position in hip hop even though they’re not necessarily embraced by a hip hop head.
I’m in sales. Do you know how easy it is for white colleagues to move, jeans & scruffy t shirt and closing deals, even newer people having “luck” in the industry right away. Where as POC has to grind, if we’re not articulate, well dressed and have experience, the same benefit is not afforded to us.
Again a microcosm of life, that is just out of our control.
Naw you COOKED on this episode brother 🤝🏾
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Been saying this bro I can’t believe ppl keep getting swindled by the VULTURES
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Very well articulated
Thank you.
Solid advice Rob. 🤎👌🏾
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This why i dont rock with these mfs when they drop. Devil is a lie sound like some old neptunes joint soni like it but they use hip hop to catapult their careers
It's always been a section of Hip Hop even with Black artists who proudly say in their rhymes "I'm not a rapper". From Jay "I thought I told you cats I'm not a rapper" to most recently hearing Larry June say on an Alchemist track "Truthfully, don't give a fuck about this rap shit/Was either this, or take a risk". I feel this sentiment should stop altogether IMO as how can we get others to respect it, when a lot of our own treat it like a financial come up? Yeah, everyone want to get to the bag, sure...but you still have to treat your art form with better respect publicly.
Tbf, when jay z says it, he’s trying to say i “came from drug dealing and Im really about what I say” and or “im a businessman” because those are both his brand. But when someone like lil Wayne says it he means it because he wants to be a rock artist and he’s not 😹😹☠️☠️
@@notreallyafamousartist695 Yeah, I mainly feel that putting that sentiment out there leaves a lot to be misinterpreted.
@@MrVan77 for sure for sure agree, I think if you have the urge to say “I’m not a rapper” DO NOT RAP like at all, and sonically distance yourself from the genre. That’s what I did in 2019 when I moved to pop, rock, & rnb🤷🏾♂️ and guess what… it works 😱😱😱 but you have to actually be able to sing and improve your singing. Ya gotta learn how to write lyrics differently because hip hop lyrics are way diff than other genres. And you just straight up CANNOT rap ever again or you will be called rap. I still got random like “this is a cool mix of rock with rap flavor!” Or “pop with rap vibes!” Because I’m black. But guess what, these RAPPERS don’t want to put that effort in. They just want to call themselves other things to “sound prestigious”. Which is very self hating and insecure. I left it because of how the culture was changing, these people want to “leave” because they feel like other genres make them better than a rapper. Sad.
This didn’t entirely have to do with your point, just wanted to give something to the convo!
@@notreallyafamousartist695 You’re good. And you made a great point that I agree with. It really is a prestigious thing when some guys try to distance themselves.
Rob I agree with your point on Lauryn Hill being Hip Hop because she actually Emcee’s. But artists like Mary J Blige, Ashanti, Beyonce or The Weeknd I wouldn’t necessarily categorize them as Hip Hop. I would say they have a Hip Hop sound
Calling keyshia cole hip hop is DELUSIONALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I think he means culturally not sonically
@Guywho_is agreed. This whole video was a cultural convo nothing really to do with genre
Nah marry j is def hip hop imo she is best female singer that fused both aspects of rnb and hip hop without compromising herself. That’s where that marry j rock comes from. Tracks like “I can love you” ft lil Kim is a perfect example and lady’s night
Well said bro!
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These people know that we’re not together as a whole no matter what happened in our culture they know we can be separated by the money and these people worship money so they use the same thing that they worship to separate.
we really just need to start taking artists social media away from them the moment they pop
This was probably the best takeaway I’ve heard regarding his statement. I’m still a little confused though. What made him say that? Was he responding to people referring to him as a hip hop artist?
Yeah he may have been responding to something we aren’t even aware of. Without knowing that’s probably my best guess. Thanks for watching.
Damnn, how many frames that camera got? Alot
Why does everybody get a seat at our table?
Bros PR team facepalmed when this happened 😂😂
the fact that post said that bout hiphop makes me think he ignored all the people we thought was his peers
Great breakdown
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Fam every song ive heard from thia Tommy Richmann sounds like an intro for an "In Living Color" or "Living Single" reboot. He sounds like a 90's hip hop/R&B artist.
Beyoncé collaborated with Post & Miley…..both who were able to go between genres yet she’s shut out from country. I think she chose them on purpose.
Great breakdown Rob!!
mynameisntjmack mentioned 🔥🔥🔥
Well said and researched as always. I'm sure Tommy is well aware of the audience that gravitated towards Million Dollar Baby and Devil Is A Lie and many of those people may have been disappointed or even "confused" when hearing the Coyote album because it doesn't have the same feel as those songs at all. I think he was trying to say this album is different from the viral songs purposely and ya'll can take it or leave it.
DAMN dropped in 2017 too
You think he might be saying this so Grammy’s doesn’t put him in Hip-Hop category potentially winning over ‘Not Like Us’?
Nah, i don’t think so, because his label has to submit to the academy and they choose the category.
The beats are what makes it hip hop
If hip hop and R&B weren’t seen as the same genre, would Tommy Richman’s comments have the same impact? Would he even feel the need to say it? 🤔
Appreciate the perspective. MDB is not necessarily a hip hop song but it uses many Hip Hop elements: aspirational theme, slowed down memphis vocal sample and drums, slang used. If you watch the video then it becomes very clear the art is clearly hip hop CULTURALLY: fashion, aesthetics, dances, hand signaling, direction style... another Caucasian artist trying to keep hip hop at arms length because it's good for growing the brand into the burbs.
DJ Hed is an agent of chaos. I would’ve been like *Then don’t play my MF’N music IDGAF* *But to be clear I respect and grew up on hip hop but I’m not SOLELY a hip hop artist, I’m a singer and don’t want to be boxed in* BOOM
Don’t have much to say lol. I agree with everything you expressed. Igor is iconic. I guess I had some to say lol
Thanks for just checking in! 🫡
When I went to Brent Faiyaz Wasteland tour last year Tommy was his opener.. I had never heard of him before that, when he performed he sounded more like a singer/R&B like Brent so idk where labeling him a rapper came from
Dude is straight talent. Future, the hardest most talented artist in the game who has decent vocal talent can’t even touch this guy who is 20 years younger. Between this dude rich man and Steve Lacey they got crazy talent.
Now I have one question. Is shaboozy hip hop? He uses
Hip hop inspired lyrics and those country beats have a lot of trap music characteristics.
No, if he calls himself hip hop I guess. But if we are being real, no, it’s just country with hip hop style lyrics and interpolating a popular hip hop song for clout. Which is a great idea, but he was doing country years before that and he’s still doing country
This is why there needs to be gatekeepers... They will continue to play in the community face until the community puts a stop to it..
🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow 👏👏 The examples that you gave to explain your opinion. The contradictory 🤣🤣💀💀
For Hip Hop its an easy check, if the artists break successfully. LA Reid to Justin Bieber, Timbaland to Justin Timberlake, Dre to Eminem and these GOAT artist btw.
This really real shit!
DJ Hed is completely right, whether or not you should gatekeep isn’t my place to say but my instinct is to say everyone should take a page from hip hop and stop trying to keep people out. It seems crazy to me to do that when the art fits the category and I don’t see how it’s not just being racist to keep out black artists. Once everyone can move freely then it won’t sting so much when someone says they’re not part of a particular music genre.
I’m gonna be honest Rob. I’ve never understood the Post argument. I get the comments he’s said in the past trying to distance himself from Hip Hop and he definitely doesn’t get a pass for that but if you look at his discography he has 1 Hip Hop MIXTAPE, 3 Hip Hop albums, 1 Pop & 1 Country. Other than the comments why are we mad again?
Not mad at Post at all, but it’s providing the context and let’s not ignore the privilege that white artists have to genre bend where it’s much harder for Black artists.
I don’t see what the big deal is particularly speaking with this young man. He doesn’t even give a vibe of being hip hop. His music and videos are more rock-ish. He can’t help that hip hop stations play his music because it’s popular. Everyone doesn’t want to be hip hop and I would rather him say that from the onset instead of claiming it and then abandoning it when it doesn’t suit him anymore.
Exactly I’m still confused about the issue I thought this was pop
I do get your point, but also even some of our own people and some of our elders in hip hop don’t want to associate themselves with what “hip hop” is now.
Very true. They treat rappers like it’s a dirty word. Thats a whole other convo
It's primarily because "Rap" or "Hiphop" is the bastard of music. Just like jazz and blues was, they cool dippin in and out whenever it's convenient. It's a huge convenience thing.
This why I fwu Rob @9:29 you can tell that you still pissed about that quote. In which I am too. I also remember 21 said he agreed with post and everyone just sat back and fucked with him.
Why can’t people just music, is it really this deep?
Yes it’s that deep. If you were of the culture you’d understand that
I’ve always been a believer of hip hop need gatekeepers
I know this wasn't the point of the convo here, but IGOR is a rap album empirically. Every track but 2 have rap verses. Just because it has different sonics/production doesn't mean it's not a rap album. I get why Tyler said it wanting people to pay attention to the music but it's still a rap album. Suggesting anything else is I think a disservice to the potential growth of the genre.
Ultimately it is what Tyler says it is tho, right?
@@RobMarkman I mean yes and no sort of. Yes in that he created the art. But there are plenty of instances where we disagree with an artist's intention and apply our own reading to its context right? It's a bigger art conversation but I feel your point and thanks for your response man! Loving the content.
Yea they have rap verses but there's more singing than rapping on the album and he's doing most of the singing
I mean here's the thing - I feel an artist has the right to classify themselves. Just cause we embrace something doesn't mean that the artist has to. This reminds me alot of when the term NEO SOUL came out and the artist that got grouped under that genre we very vocal about not wanting to be considered that. If you like the record - like the record. You can't determine his path for him. If million dollar baby was just a pop hit that stayed on that side- we wouldn't be talking about it and for those not familiar Tommy has been doing this for a min and hiphop payed him zero mind prior to million dollar baby.