For fucken real yooooo. I got so heated when I saw that he said that if you want to listen to something meaningful and emotional, hip hop is not what you're looking for. To use hip hop to launch yourself into a shitty pop country career is one thing, but to still have the audacity to besmirch the art form...maaaaaaaaan fuck Post Malone
I'm a South African - so an outsider looking in. Yes, Hip-Hip is too welcoming when it comes to who it allows within the space. A better job can and should be done when it comes to gate-keeping.
What’s wrong with us? Why do we feel we need to gatekeep things we create? Should white people gate keep UA-cam since they created it? Should they gate keep the internet? What about basketball? What about the automobile? Art is art. Everyone has the right to express themselves how they want to, you can’t tell me nothin! We’re all human first.
@@JanetAfi-gj9bk I get the point you're trying to make, but I think it doesn't fit in this particular case. Yes, different countries and artists have labeled the music they make as Amapiano, which can't really be controlled, but I think gate-keeping is about how those countries and artists aren't viewed as Amapiano in South Africa. South Africans don't recognise them and their 'art' isn't played by South African radio stations. When we have our music awards, we don't recognise them. That's gate-keeping. This is what I'm saying Hip-Hop should do a better job at. Imitation will always be there, but it's about whether the culture accepts the copycats. Amapiano doesn't. We don't even view that music as Amapiano.
I never accepted post Malone. I never listened to his music bc as soon as I saw that white Iverson video I knew what it was. A mf can use the culture to get on then leave. I always say they love the culture but don’t love us🤷🏽♂️. We be allowing artist not from the culture to be in it.
lol bro this is exactly why the dude said he wasn’t hip hop. If he says he’s hip hop then yall feel you have a certain ownership over him and his career. The way they treating Paige bueckers compared to Clark. Y’all be like “oooo nice another guy to put in the white rapper box and use him to promote our agenda.”
@@jofieji5312 he didn’t articulate his answer well enough to express what you’re saying. You can be hiphop as well as other things. Russ has never once said no BS like that lol. He knows dang well what has influenced the music he makes. Also he probably wasn’t aware of the argument of people just using hiphop, being embraced by the culture just to then shit on it as if it isn’t a serious genre of music
As a Black American, I learned years ago. I gate keep. I don’t care who doesn’t like it. This is the main reason why I put my full weight behind Kendrick during the battle against the foreigner.
I gate keep too on quality that’s why I don’t listen to your pied piper Kendrick….also his competitor for that matter. Although between the two…Drake objectively makes better records.
I think it’s fine to move in and out of genres. Michael Jackson did it and Beyoncé is currently doing. The problem is dissing or looking down on a genre or community you were once involved in. Miley’s comments and Post Malone’s comments bother me a lot more than Tommy Richman’s. Especially with how quickly Tommy made a correction and elaborated on what he was trying to say.
Well because the term was originally used in a negative way. Like when rock fans Kate kept who was and wasn’t punk. So it does carry a negative connotation. Doesn’t mean it’s not necessary
@@joelman1989 actually, gatekeeping wasn't initially used negatively; it served as a method to ensure quality, authenticity, and trustworthiness within a particular field. The concept of gatekeeping originated in journalism, where editors and journalists acted as gatekeepers to control the flow of information to the public. This process helped filter out misinformation, promote ethical reporting, and uphold journalistic standards.
@@rahbeeuh thanks, I stand corrected. That’s actually really interesting. Maybe if we wouldn’t have been so quick to dismiss the process, we wouldn’t be in the hell hole we are in today lol. Where we accept as gospel what some 20 year old with a million followers has to say but dismiss the journalist that work hard to actually uncover stories.
I understand your point but, before we do anything we need to take away the keys to the gates from the record industry, they is who fuc**d up hip hop and use it against us, pin it against us and became rich of it. I'm talking the Diddy's. and the Clives.
I’m less concerned with Tommy learning the lesson then for us to learn the lesson. The list of artists back peddling after offensive tweets is still not uncovering the whole truth. I’m less interested in shaming the artists than I am in knowing what the real conversations were that had them say those things. What do their management teams know that we don’t. I trust Rob’s intent 100% and I want to draw out the bigger picture in the way hip hop is looked at by different entities. We also can’t flinch when Hip Hop gets feedback that’s real. Hip Hop is being treated like a limited genre. We have Andre 3000 who said that and even Doechii just recently added that hip hop could talk more about what we learned than what we have. I’m down for this to be explored more.
He did clarify that he didn't want to be boxed. Have you listened to his new album, Coyote, tho? It's definitely a blend of a lot of stuff that I can't really fault him for saying what he said. Very experimental music/sound. Seems to blend hip hop, funk, R&B/new jack, and HEAVY influence on 80s electronic sound. All the songs on that album has absolutely no resemblance to million dollar baby which kind of took me by surprise.
@@truthknow5502 It’s CLEAR that you haven’t distinguished the difference between HIP-HOP & RAP he’s not HIP-HOP because he’s not an MC. He just made a GREAT MICROWAVEABLE RAP SONG! MC’s have a message VS RAPPERS just make melodies & words sound good in a pocket on a beat. Durk is a RAPPER vs Joey Badass is an MC
Yo, I appreciate what you do Rob even with no brand backing you, you continue to show and prove that it’s always been you. You were “genius” in my opinion that’s why I’ll forever support you. Keep doing your thing. Salute
Because we're not hypocrites. We're being inclusive the way we think they should and demonstrate how that could look but they don't catch on. We don't need to stop being inclusive, nothing wrong with forgiving but that doesn't mean be naive. The naive part is turning our brain off and assuming because its got a vibe that they get it. Don't assume they get the bigger picture. Eminem understood, Pall Wall understood, and a few other white artist understood the bigger picture and never disrespected hip hop/black people but not everyone who enjoy's hip hop does.
@@StephTerry-c2y and inadvertently, emenim moreso than paul wall, has fans who dont even listen to rap outside of em which causes another strain of brain dead takes like post malone's regarding hip hop.
@@christiancrews4278 I agree but I can't blame Em for his fans obnoxiousness. i don't count it against him for appealing to crowds outside the traditional hip hop audience. HE never disrespected hip hop or black people once he achieved that fame. When You see Post Malone egregiously use hip hop to get his fame up and abandon his costume as soon as he got a chance...Wanting to be more than hip hop is one thing but trashing our culture once you got what you wanted from it is the violation.
Million Dollar Baby is a pop/r&b record in my eyes. He never presented himself as a hip-hop artist but because of who he works with he gets put in that category. I understand what he's trying to say he just worded it wrong
Wasn’t an issue until he brought it up. Don’t declassify yourself as a hip hop artist but have elements of hip-hop in your attire, music videos and overall aesthetic. Example: Low rider with hydraulics, baggy clothes, gold grills, flashy jewelry, hip-hop instrumentals, etc.
He knew what he was doing. He may not have labeled himself as a hip-hop artist publicly in a “statement” but the art spoke for itself and that is part of what he was portraying in it.
@@supermagnumable These artists need to take notes from Mac Miller and Eminem. These two artists know that they have benefited from Hip-Hop and have always gave Hip-Hop its flowers and have always respected those that came before them that laid the foundation for hip hop. Tommy shot himself in the foot by saying this. Just another Post Malone in the making.
Those Esthetics are used R&B aswell which is his lane. Like hiphop isnt the only genre that uses those examples. Million dollar baby is cleary a pop r&b mix which is what most of the people know him for. Not hiphop. If you think hip hop when you see him its only showing me how narrrow your brain is. And thats sad
@@jahkareramkissoon419 those aesthetics are not R&B either and thats another problem. R&b changed its presentation when ty dolla sign and that generation started. I know u heard people say that r&b dont exist, just people who sound like rappers harmonizing. Also pop r&b still dont not make his statements offensive. My question is, why dont these people do other generes of music. Why post malone come out as white iverson just to want to do country? Why not do country first? Thats like beyonce doing country first, then say if i want to hear songs about pain and love i listen to R&B and then go on to make love songs in r&b but when she was doing country she contributed to her critique of the art form 😂. U gotta read between the lines bro and in this case, u dont even have too...its blatant. Just like Billie eilish. She literally dress like me when i was in middle school but do u EVER think she gone show who and where exactly she stole that style from? Again bro, dont look at what people say, watch what they do.
Thank u. Why is ANY1 calling songs without any rapping in them, Hip hop. It's not hip hop without rapping. That's an element that can't be excluded. Otherwise it's not hip hop. U would think this wouldn't have to be said
Bro, I’m over here binge watching all of your videos, and I think you are now my favorite UA-cam podcast. The way you break down hip-hop and not for me because I’m a hip-hop head but for others it’s so refreshing. Thank you dog.
Wow. I'm from southern Italy and I've been listening to rap, culture-centered podcast, interviews for years. Going straight to the point, I never understood when someone talked about the importance of gate-keeping, first of all because it's not a concept radicated in my culture and also because it seemed to go against some of what hip-hop (I think) is trying to do. I'm not saying I'm now convinced and I do know the Miley, PM and Jay things, but how you put it in perspective and explained made me realize something that I was not able to. Now I have a wider and deeper perspective on the dialogue about gate-keeping. So, from someone who has been following you at this point for years, thank you.
Thank you for sharing your perspective for real. And I’m still not sure that gate keeping is the answer. But i do think we have to preserve more of the things that makes hip hop special.
Most people are pretty clear they don't know what hip-hop is & dont care. Thats how they grew up loving drake & autotune...why would they give af.🤷🏾♂️
It’s a no win situation. if Tommy said he was a hip hop artist, I bet some people would have a problem with that. I am black, and I see him as a pop artist.
Fair points. Good content as always, Rob. He should've worded it better. Anyway shouts to LMNO, Tab-One, Exile, Alchemists, Red Pill, Verbal Kent, Your old droog, Aesop Rock, Paul Wall, Thee Tom Hardy, El-P, Joe Scudda. I could name more but you get the point 🙌🏽.
The problem is, they make these slights against hip hop, and yes, there is Twitter outrage, but it doesn't affect their bottom line. We need to gatekeep because at this point, they don't take us seriously.
Personally I never saw him as a hip hop artist so his comment didn't really phase me...however, I do think we should gatekeep the culture a lot more...on another note, Rob are you going to change the name of your channel to 'Just My Thoughts with Rob Markman' or something like that?
This was a really great video.. Particularly, I enjoyed the nuances you pointed out between rap and hip hop. And I agree, we need to do better as gate keepers of our music 🎶! I’m not going to use the word “culture” because part of the culture promotes toxicity.. ❤
I think he meant he’s not a rapper. He’s a genre bending artist based on his album. We can’t blame him for us embracing something he never claimed. It was a bop in the hip hop realm so it went on our radio stations. Blame hip hop for being so accepting 🤷🏿♂️
@@KaylaMarieQhe didn’t react any way, dude literally said he’s just not a hip hop artist lmfao, he didn’t say f hip hop. He didn’t say I hate hip hop. He didn’t say I wish hip hop never liked me. He said im not a hip hop artist. This is ridiculous and exactly why I left hip hop for other genres, AND IM BLACK. Y’all are insane, we get mad at this but don’t get mad at DRILL RAP AND SEXY REDD. Insanity
@@notreallyafamousartist695 he is played on hip hop radio stations and embraced by hip hop. So saying “im not hip hop” is just weird and unnecessary. Its like of someone invites someone to their thanksgiving dinner and they come over and eat and then the next day goes “i dont celebrate thanksgiving” Okay but you came and ate so what are you talking about now??
I was a little confused about the backlash from his tweet but this really helped me to understand it and agree. We do need to gatekeep more. And I hope we do.
The most memorable line from million dollar baby is “I ain’t never repped a set baby” Not that gangs = hip hop. But he definitely learned what a set was from Hip hop. Something to think about
For me being an artist myself for a second, I believe that everybody should be able to experiment with every genre of music. It could help them with versatility and also evolve them musically. I can understand a bit of the backlash but however (just my opinion) there is a mix of both gatekeeping and marginalization from all genres which isn’t fair to any artist who may want to try a different sound out or don’t want to be boxed in and that may not be their particular style of music.
This is what happens when we allow lines to be blurred. I remember reading an article where chris brown was referred to as a rapper. Is it the cadence and/or the beat that makes ppl think certain artists are hip hop artists?
I will say just looking through Tommy Richman's discography on Apple Music, he has multiple songs listed under several different genres like pop, R&B/Soul and alternative. Generally speaking over the last decade, it seems like there's a bunch of artists that haven't necessarily stuck to just doing one genre of music, to the point where trying to classify something by genre almost seems archaic.
This a serious conversation we need to have cause they use our music and culture to make a name for themselves and when it’s time to move on they don’t give back in a positive way. We have struggles,battles, wars that they can never relate to and we can’t just leave and it’s not sad for us but it becomes sad once it gets used by other people that don’t understand that part of it or take the time to understand us.
Beyonce having Miley Cyrus and Post Malone on Cowboy Carter is a conversation not enough people talk about considering their treacherous history in our culture 😅 she called out the hypocrisy of us being so welcoming of others who use our culture yet get boxed out when we try to reclaim it.
I have a theory on this. Rather than just culture vultures, there’s 3 types of outsiders to a culture: immigrants, tourists, and colonizers. Immigrants join the culture and either assimilate completely or enrich the culture with their own heritage. Sean Paul and Eminem come to mind. Tourists admire the culture and are just here to explore for a bit. They might be annoying because they’re ignorant and might not really get it. Colonizers want all the richness of the culture without the people in it. From greedy to execs to artists that will condemn the culture that gave them clout. Elvis Presley is the ultimate example. I’m curious as to where you all would place Tommy and Post and what you think of those categories
Tommy Richman put his foot in his mouth. SMH. Either say, “I’m not a rapper, but I AM hip-hop,” or just don’t say anything. Let the music speak for itself. We’ll know what you’re doing if you go techno or alternative. But he didn’t need to tweet that.
But is he reallllly hip hop though? He's a white man that makes music with hip hop influences, but is that all it takes to makes a dude hip hop to yall? If anything the right move as a collective would be to tell him "aite cool" and gatekeep him out of any cultural relevancy the way country is doing to Beyonce
@@mlucky12 I have to hear more from him. But so far, I would say he’s hip hop. He may not be a rapper or lyricist but hip hop is broad enough to include him. Or maybe not now lol.
@r0mediddy I think I have a more culturally rooted definition of what makes someone hip hop lol, I think Tommy Richman is a talented artist that was clearly influenced by Pharrell and Timbo. And I think million dollar baby is catchy. But that's it lol.
If he's collaborated with MCs in the past, and then takes those sounds of hip-hop and evolves those sounds to the point of his current chart toppers, he has to know what he's doing. My biggest thing is the knee jerk reaction these artists feel: it's like they need to distinguish themselves from hip-hop completely as if its lesser.
Because their situation had nothing to do with what what the algorithm was already eating off tommy snippets just because theirs a fight In McDonald’ don’t mean u can’t get your meal from Wendy’s 😂
Ebro just mentioned something on this topic on the last episode of Rap Life Review. He said something along the lines of the culture needs to do better at protecting itself bc the artists coming just to monetize off of the trends water down the music. The core elements of hip hop still exist, but it becomes harder to identify for new listeners of the genre. Their last episode was a good watch.
Well said and researched as always. I'm sure Tommy is well aware of the audience that gravitated towards Million Dollar Baby and Devil Is A Lie and many of those people may have been disappointed or even "confused" when hearing the Coyote album because it doesn't have the same feel as those songs at all. I think he was trying to say this album is different from the viral songs purposely and ya'll can take it or leave it.
When I went to Brent Faiyaz Wasteland tour last year Tommy was his opener.. I had never heard of him before that, when he performed he sounded more like a singer/R&B like Brent so idk where labeling him a rapper came from
It's always been a section of Hip Hop even with Black artists who proudly say in their rhymes "I'm not a rapper". From Jay "I thought I told you cats I'm not a rapper" to most recently hearing Larry June say on an Alchemist track "Truthfully, don't give a fuck about this rap shit/Was either this, or take a risk". I feel this sentiment should stop altogether IMO as how can we get others to respect it, when a lot of our own treat it like a financial come up? Yeah, everyone want to get to the bag, sure...but you still have to treat your art form with better respect publicly.
Tbf, when jay z says it, he’s trying to say i “came from drug dealing and Im really about what I say” and or “im a businessman” because those are both his brand. But when someone like lil Wayne says it he means it because he wants to be a rock artist and he’s not 😹😹☠️☠️
@@MrVan77 for sure for sure agree, I think if you have the urge to say “I’m not a rapper” DO NOT RAP like at all, and sonically distance yourself from the genre. That’s what I did in 2019 when I moved to pop, rock, & rnb🤷🏾♂️ and guess what… it works 😱😱😱 but you have to actually be able to sing and improve your singing. Ya gotta learn how to write lyrics differently because hip hop lyrics are way diff than other genres. And you just straight up CANNOT rap ever again or you will be called rap. I still got random like “this is a cool mix of rock with rap flavor!” Or “pop with rap vibes!” Because I’m black. But guess what, these RAPPERS don’t want to put that effort in. They just want to call themselves other things to “sound prestigious”. Which is very self hating and insecure. I left it because of how the culture was changing, these people want to “leave” because they feel like other genres make them better than a rapper. Sad. This didn’t entirely have to do with your point, just wanted to give something to the convo!
@@notreallyafamousartist695 You’re good. And you made a great point that I agree with. It really is a prestigious thing when some guys try to distance themselves.
Please believe if they put Million Dollar Baby in a hip-hop category for a Grammy, he gone run his none hip-hop azz up on that stage and grab that Grammy. And even with him to me clear as day being alternative or Pop if he’s in a R&B category he’ll win over a Summer Walker or an actual R&B artist.
I love this topic. Artists catch a lick off the backs of rap, but when it comes to identity, they do so much to push themselves away. I don't hold this so much against Tommy but we got tons of artists when they've dried up the well, they move to "what they want to do" or some shit like that. You can definitely do stuff you like but don't do hip hop like a one and done.
Never even listened to Post Malone because I knew from the rip he was going to run. I remember arguing about this with people. For Post Malone to say hip hop is not emotional tells me he’s limited. Miley Cyrus is another one!
I don’t see what the big deal is particularly speaking with this young man. He doesn’t even give a vibe of being hip hop. His music and videos are more rock-ish. He can’t help that hip hop stations play his music because it’s popular. Everyone doesn’t want to be hip hop and I would rather him say that from the onset instead of claiming it and then abandoning it when it doesn’t suit him anymore.
I agree I don’t think he was trying to be malicious but as Dj he’s mentioned there is nuances that can be perceived but such statements esp when you have seen how hip hop has embraced the record! Also I thought he was part of Brent camp or at least they were cool
This why i dont rock with these mfs when they drop. Devil is a lie sound like some old neptunes joint soni like it but they use hip hop to catapult their careers
Appreciate the perspective. MDB is not necessarily a hip hop song but it uses many Hip Hop elements: aspirational theme, slowed down memphis vocal sample and drums, slang used. If you watch the video then it becomes very clear the art is clearly hip hop CULTURALLY: fashion, aesthetics, dances, hand signaling, direction style... another Caucasian artist trying to keep hip hop at arms length because it's good for growing the brand into the burbs.
There was a time when hip-hop wasn't the dominant music on the planet Earth. Hip-hop must downsize, so people who are really sincere will do this thing rather than be marketed in a way that they don't agree with or even know about because they're not in those meetings with the executives who market their creativity in ways that they don't appreciate.
I’m gonna be honest Rob. I’ve never understood the Post argument. I get the comments he’s said in the past trying to distance himself from Hip Hop and he definitely doesn’t get a pass for that but if you look at his discography he has 1 Hip Hop MIXTAPE, 3 Hip Hop albums, 1 Pop & 1 Country. Other than the comments why are we mad again?
Not mad at Post at all, but it’s providing the context and let’s not ignore the privilege that white artists have to genre bend where it’s much harder for Black artists.
This is just a microcosm of life. There’s not much that can be done about it when the people who push the music, consume the music may not be fully hip hop themselves, and it props these artists up in a position in hip hop even though they’re not necessarily embraced by a hip hop head. I’m in sales. Do you know how easy it is for white colleagues to move, jeans & scruffy t shirt and closing deals, even newer people having “luck” in the industry right away. Where as POC has to grind, if we’re not articulate, well dressed and have experience, the same benefit is not afforded to us. Again a microcosm of life, that is just out of our control.
This why I fwu Rob @9:29 you can tell that you still pissed about that quote. In which I am too. I also remember 21 said he agreed with post and everyone just sat back and fucked with him.
Gatekeeping has been a problem for our people to hold down for a long time. From Country all the way to Hip Hop. Until we as Black Americans address this issue, the cycle will forever repeat.
DJ Hed is an agent of chaos. I would’ve been like *Then don’t play my MF’N music IDGAF* *But to be clear I respect and grew up on hip hop but I’m not SOLELY a hip hop artist, I’m a singer and don’t want to be boxed in* BOOM
This why we need lyrical bars, it used to be harder to be in hip hop because people could simply not rap good enough or even sing well enough. It should not have been that EASY for him to even tweet that. Gotta put more respect on the art of hip hop
To be fair if you go back listen to his older music before he blew up, he was never hip hop and this is coming from a fan of his music since his early career. He was more like alternative mixed with a little hip hop. I’m a black man who enjoys his music, it’s like he’s trying to do his own thing ,there’s different styles of Hip-Hop in this day and age.
DJ Hed is completely right, whether or not you should gatekeep isn’t my place to say but my instinct is to say everyone should take a page from hip hop and stop trying to keep people out. It seems crazy to me to do that when the art fits the category and I don’t see how it’s not just being racist to keep out black artists. Once everyone can move freely then it won’t sting so much when someone says they’re not part of a particular music genre.
I do get your point, but also even some of our own people and some of our elders in hip hop don’t want to associate themselves with what “hip hop” is now.
"She was doing some kind of twerking" 🤣🤣
I meeeeeeeean
That line caught me off-guard 😂🤣
Two legends interacting, love to see it
It’s all happening!
She did her best haha.
How nobody told her how wack she looked doing that?
We need to have that Post Malone convo…he blatantly used hip hip.
Facts
Not at all, post is the guy ! His biggest songs are with swae lee and 21 savage ,and those happened LATER ON IN HIS CAREER. Y’all so corny
For fucken real yooooo.
I got so heated when I saw that he said that if you want to listen to something meaningful and emotional, hip hop is not what you're looking for.
To use hip hop to launch yourself into a shitty pop country career is one thing, but to still have the audacity to besmirch the art form...maaaaaaaaan fuck Post Malone
he is trash
@@tkbaku3036F Post and every other culture vulture and leech.
I'm a South African - so an outsider looking in. Yes, Hip-Hip is too welcoming when it comes to who it allows within the space. A better job can and should be done when it comes to gate-keeping.
I’m glad you said it. I agree
who do you think the gate keepers are after it became commercialized? White execs! You should know better coming from apartheid!!! You an afrocaner?
What’s wrong with us? Why do we feel we need to gatekeep things we create? Should white people gate keep UA-cam since they created it? Should they gate keep the internet? What about basketball? What about the automobile? Art is art. Everyone has the right to express themselves how they want to, you can’t tell me nothin! We’re all human first.
Y’all have also had different countries appropriating amapiano. It’s just not easy gatekeeping because of the internet now.
@@JanetAfi-gj9bk I get the point you're trying to make, but I think it doesn't fit in this particular case. Yes, different countries and artists have labeled the music they make as Amapiano, which can't really be controlled, but I think gate-keeping is about how those countries and artists aren't viewed as Amapiano in South Africa. South Africans don't recognise them and their 'art' isn't played by South African radio stations. When we have our music awards, we don't recognise them. That's gate-keeping. This is what I'm saying Hip-Hop should do a better job at. Imitation will always be there, but it's about whether the culture accepts the copycats. Amapiano doesn't. We don't even view that music as Amapiano.
I never accepted post Malone. I never listened to his music bc as soon as I saw that white Iverson video I knew what it was. A mf can use the culture to get on then leave. I always say they love the culture but don’t love us🤷🏽♂️. We be allowing artist not from the culture to be in it.
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Sad but true
"Who you think they talk about, talk about us!
Who you think they copy off, copy off ussssss!"
THIS N95 HAD IT
lol bro this is exactly why the dude said he wasn’t hip hop. If he says he’s hip hop then yall feel you have a certain ownership over him and his career. The way they treating Paige bueckers compared to Clark. Y’all be like “oooo nice another guy to put in the white rapper box and use him to promote our agenda.”
@@jofieji5312your Gaye
@@jofieji5312next time, just say you don’t understand you’ll sound less angry and gain some knowledge instead of just saying shit
@@jofieji5312 he didn’t articulate his answer well enough to express what you’re saying. You can be hiphop as well as other things. Russ has never once said no BS like that lol. He knows dang well what has influenced the music he makes. Also he probably wasn’t aware of the argument of people just using hiphop, being embraced by the culture just to then shit on it as if it isn’t a serious genre of music
As a Black American, I learned years ago. I gate keep. I don’t care who doesn’t like it. This is the main reason why I put my full weight behind Kendrick during the battle against the foreigner.
I gate keep too on quality that’s why I don’t listen to your pied piper Kendrick….also his competitor for that matter. Although between the two…Drake objectively makes better records.
@@be3933And that’s the beauty of life, we have choices. 👍🏾🙂 I can’t wait to see the pied piper perform at the super bowl! 🥰
@@be3933pied piper 😂 Kendrick is not R Kelly drake is more similar to Kells so technically he’s the pied piper of the game currently
@@be3933i guarantee yo non black ass don't listen to anything hip hop artist
@@be3933he makes better basic music for sure!
I think it’s fine to move in and out of genres. Michael Jackson did it and Beyoncé is currently doing. The problem is dissing or looking down on a genre or community you were once involved in. Miley’s comments and Post Malone’s comments bother me a lot more than Tommy Richman’s. Especially with how quickly Tommy made a correction and elaborated on what he was trying to say.
He only made the correction because of heads comment 😭
People say "gatekeeping" as if it's a bad thing.
It is when you’re on the wrong side of it.
@@whateverman23in this case it's not a bad thing
Well because the term was originally used in a negative way. Like when rock fans Kate kept who was and wasn’t punk. So it does carry a negative connotation. Doesn’t mean it’s not necessary
@@joelman1989 actually, gatekeeping wasn't initially used negatively; it served as a method to ensure quality, authenticity, and trustworthiness within a particular field. The concept of gatekeeping originated in journalism, where editors and journalists acted as gatekeepers to control the flow of information to the public. This process helped filter out misinformation, promote ethical reporting, and uphold journalistic standards.
@@rahbeeuh thanks, I stand corrected. That’s actually really interesting. Maybe if we wouldn’t have been so quick to dismiss the process, we wouldn’t be in the hell hole we are in today lol. Where we accept as gospel what some 20 year old with a million followers has to say but dismiss the journalist that work hard to actually uncover stories.
We need to gatekeep again fr
I understand your point but, before we do anything we need to take away the keys to the gates from the record industry, they is who fuc**d up hip hop and use it against us, pin it against us and became rich of it. I'm talking the Diddy's. and the Clives.
No we dont. If someone can gatekeep the artist you dont want, they can also gatekeep the artist you do like. Its a 2 way street
We meaning a bunch of lonely dudes living at home still?
Fr, lack of proper gatekeeping will be the death of our culture
I’m less concerned with Tommy learning the lesson then for us to learn the lesson. The list of artists back peddling after offensive tweets is still not uncovering the whole truth. I’m less interested in shaming the artists than I am in knowing what the real conversations were that had them say those things. What do their management teams know that we don’t. I trust Rob’s intent 100% and I want to draw out the bigger picture in the way hip hop is looked at by different entities. We also can’t flinch when Hip Hop gets feedback that’s real. Hip Hop is being treated like a limited genre. We have Andre 3000 who said that and even Doechii just recently added that hip hop could talk more about what we learned than what we have. I’m down for this to be explored more.
I’m just glad he identified his self and separated his self from the genre. He’s definitely not HIP-HOP. Maybe he meant to say he’s not a RAPPER.
Yeah i think he meant to say he’s not a rapper too
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He did clarify that he didn't want to be boxed. Have you listened to his new album, Coyote, tho? It's definitely a blend of a lot of stuff that I can't really fault him for saying what he said. Very experimental music/sound. Seems to blend hip hop, funk, R&B/new jack, and HEAVY influence on 80s electronic sound. All the songs on that album has absolutely no resemblance to million dollar baby which kind of took me by surprise.
@@truthknow5502 It’s CLEAR that you haven’t distinguished the difference between HIP-HOP & RAP he’s not HIP-HOP because he’s not an MC. He just made a GREAT MICROWAVEABLE RAP SONG! MC’s have a message VS RAPPERS just make melodies & words sound good in a pocket on a beat. Durk is a RAPPER vs Joey Badass is an MC
Genres were created due to structural and systemic oppression and a way for white people to market and steal "race" music.
Yo, I appreciate what you do Rob even with no brand backing you, you continue to show and prove that it’s always been you. You were “genius” in my opinion that’s why I’ll forever support you. Keep doing your thing. Salute
Facts! I love how he speaks about the history of hip-hop
Wow. Honestly Los, that means THE MOST. Thank you.
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Why do we all always accept their apologies when they do the most egregious things to hip-hop, Black people.
It's cause we accept anything...we set no boundaries n bend rules 4 every race except our own.
Because we're not hypocrites. We're being inclusive the way we think they should and demonstrate how that could look but they don't catch on. We don't need to stop being inclusive, nothing wrong with forgiving but that doesn't mean be naive. The naive part is turning our brain off and assuming because its got a vibe that they get it. Don't assume they get the bigger picture. Eminem understood, Pall Wall understood, and a few other white artist understood the bigger picture and never disrespected hip hop/black people but not everyone who enjoy's hip hop does.
@@StephTerry-c2y and inadvertently, emenim moreso than paul wall, has fans who dont even listen to rap outside of em which causes another strain of brain dead takes like post malone's regarding hip hop.
@@christiancrews4278 I agree but I can't blame Em for his fans obnoxiousness. i don't count it against him for appealing to crowds outside the traditional hip hop audience. HE never disrespected hip hop or black people once he achieved that fame. When You see Post Malone egregiously use hip hop to get his fame up and abandon his costume as soon as he got a chance...Wanting to be more than hip hop is one thing but trashing our culture once you got what you wanted from it is the violation.
Bro, I love your insight. Your history and experience in this culture.... your voice and opinion is appreciated.
Thank you H Town!!!!
If you gotta make the second statement, you probably should’ve never made the first.
Million Dollar Baby is a pop/r&b record in my eyes. He never presented himself as a hip-hop artist but because of who he works with he gets put in that category. I understand what he's trying to say he just worded it wrong
thank you, finally someone sensible
Ain’t a soul thinking bout him ina actual culture. Dats why the lame had to come out and say it
Wasn’t an issue until he brought it up.
Don’t declassify yourself as a hip hop artist but have elements of hip-hop in your attire, music videos and overall aesthetic.
Example: Low rider with hydraulics, baggy clothes, gold grills, flashy jewelry, hip-hop instrumentals, etc.
He knew what he was doing. He may not have labeled himself as a hip-hop artist publicly in a “statement” but the art spoke for itself and that is part of what he was portraying in it.
@@supermagnumable These artists need to take notes from Mac Miller and Eminem.
These two artists know that they have benefited from Hip-Hop and have always gave Hip-Hop its flowers and have always respected those that came before them that laid the foundation for hip hop.
Tommy shot himself in the foot by saying this. Just another Post Malone in the making.
Those Esthetics are used R&B aswell which is his lane. Like hiphop isnt the only genre that uses those examples. Million dollar baby is cleary a pop r&b mix which is what most of the people know him for. Not hiphop. If you think hip hop when you see him its only showing me how narrrow your brain is. And thats sad
@@jahkareramkissoon419 those aesthetics are not R&B either and thats another problem. R&b changed its presentation when ty dolla sign and that generation started. I know u heard people say that r&b dont exist, just people who sound like rappers harmonizing. Also pop r&b still dont not make his statements offensive. My question is, why dont these people do other generes of music. Why post malone come out as white iverson just to want to do country? Why not do country first? Thats like beyonce doing country first, then say if i want to hear songs about pain and love i listen to R&B and then go on to make love songs in r&b but when she was doing country she contributed to her critique of the art form 😂. U gotta read between the lines bro and in this case, u dont even have too...its blatant. Just like Billie eilish. She literally dress like me when i was in middle school but do u EVER think she gone show who and where exactly she stole that style from? Again bro, dont look at what people say, watch what they do.
Wtf are you talking about? You're just yappinflg, and why were you dressing like a girl in middle school? Ya weirdo@@christiancrews4278
I not once thought MIllion Dollar Baby was a hiphop track. It’s so R&B influenced
The beat says otherwise
Thank u. Why is ANY1 calling songs without any rapping in them, Hip hop. It's not hip hop without rapping. That's an element that can't be excluded. Otherwise it's not hip hop. U would think this wouldn't have to be said
The beat knocks like a hip hop beat and used rap/trap instrumental sounds. Also Tommy was using singy rap melodic flows
Bro, I’m over here binge watching all of your videos, and I think you are now my favorite UA-cam podcast. The way you break down hip-hop and not for me because I’m a hip-hop head but for others it’s so refreshing. Thank you dog.
Not your favorite or now your favorite ? Either way. Thanks for watching 🫡🫡🫡
@@RobMarkmannow* my fault
Wow. I'm from southern Italy and I've been listening to rap, culture-centered podcast, interviews for years. Going straight to the point, I never understood when someone talked about the importance of gate-keeping, first of all because it's not a concept radicated in my culture and also because it seemed to go against some of what hip-hop (I think) is trying to do. I'm not saying I'm now convinced and I do know the Miley, PM and Jay things, but how you put it in perspective and explained made me realize something that I was not able to. Now I have a wider and deeper perspective on the dialogue about gate-keeping. So, from someone who has been following you at this point for years, thank you.
Thank you for sharing your perspective for real. And I’m still not sure that gate keeping is the answer. But i do think we have to preserve more of the things that makes hip hop special.
@@RobMarkman Yes, please!
Most people are pretty clear they don't know what hip-hop is & dont care. Thats how they grew up loving drake & autotune...why would they give af.🤷🏾♂️
It’s a no win situation. if Tommy said he was a hip hop artist, I bet some people would have a problem with that. I am black, and I see him as a pop artist.
He didn’t have to say anything. Could’ve just kept making his music and if path is pure it’ll be shown with time.
@@MartyMcFly__25 He surely would have been better off staying quiet.🤐
Fair points. Good content as always, Rob. He should've worded it better. Anyway shouts to LMNO, Tab-One, Exile, Alchemists, Red Pill, Verbal Kent, Your old droog, Aesop Rock, Paul Wall, Thee Tom Hardy, El-P, Joe Scudda. I could name more but you get the point 🙌🏽.
The problem is, they make these slights against hip hop, and yes, there is Twitter outrage, but it doesn't affect their bottom line. We need to gatekeep because at this point, they don't take us seriously.
No one ever truly gets cancelled, right? Or very rarely
Personally I never saw him as a hip hop artist so his comment didn't really phase me...however, I do think we should gatekeep the culture a lot more...on another note, Rob are you going to change the name of your channel to 'Just My Thoughts with Rob Markman' or something like that?
lol what culture? The drug game?
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No one saw him as hip hop fr
That’s my issue with his unnecessary comment 😭😭
Like why say that at all when no one was saying that
lol busted out the pop smoke @ 1:52 😂 another great vid rob, totally agree w all you laid out!
Lmaooooo not pop smoke
This was a really great video.. Particularly, I enjoyed the nuances you pointed out between rap and hip hop. And I agree, we need to do better as gate keepers of our music 🎶! I’m not going to use the word “culture” because part of the culture promotes toxicity..
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I think he meant he’s not a rapper. He’s a genre bending artist based on his album. We can’t blame him for us embracing something he never claimed. It was a bop in the hip hop realm so it went on our radio stations. Blame hip hop for being so accepting 🤷🏿♂️
Facts
Agreed. The great "embracing everyone and everything as part of the culture" sword of hiphop is double edged.
We’re accepting and he rejected it. Its not his fault he is accepted but it is his fault he reacted that way
@@KaylaMarieQhe didn’t react any way, dude literally said he’s just not a hip hop artist lmfao, he didn’t say f hip hop. He didn’t say I hate hip hop. He didn’t say I wish hip hop never liked me. He said im not a hip hop artist. This is ridiculous and exactly why I left hip hop for other genres, AND IM BLACK. Y’all are insane, we get mad at this but don’t get mad at DRILL RAP AND SEXY REDD. Insanity
@@notreallyafamousartist695 he is played on hip hop radio stations and embraced by hip hop.
So saying “im not hip hop” is just weird and unnecessary.
Its like of someone invites someone to their thanksgiving dinner and they come over and eat and then the next day goes “i dont celebrate thanksgiving”
Okay but you came and ate so what are you talking about now??
I was a little confused about the backlash from his tweet but this really helped me to understand it and agree. We do need to gatekeep more. And I hope we do.
By this reasoning, Beyoncé's statement was absolutely a slap in the face to the country genre.
Beyonce is from Texas and always loved country music. made country and country inspired music for years
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@@kxngmuzikig2417 exactly....Beyonce is not a culture vulture she comes from that country music thing.
@@kxngmuzikig2417 this has nothing to do with the comment
@@jordandavis3867 she just used it when convenient got herself a Levi campaign on top and will move on to whatever else suits her
Great commentary!🎉🎉
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This video got me emotional today. Well said, as usual, Rob!
I’m glad u brought up Hanna Montana… nobody remembers when she said she didn’t kno who Jay-Z was
The most memorable line from million dollar baby is “I ain’t never repped a set baby” Not that gangs = hip hop. But he definitely learned what a set was from Hip hop. Something to think about
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For me being an artist myself for a second, I believe that everybody should be able to experiment with every genre of music. It could help them with versatility and also evolve them musically. I can understand a bit of the backlash but however (just my opinion) there is a mix of both gatekeeping and marginalization from all genres which isn’t fair to any artist who may want to try a different sound out or don’t want to be boxed in and that may not be their particular style of music.
I just think it’s about honesty and respect for which ever genres you’re participating in
This is what happens when we allow lines to be blurred. I remember reading an article where chris brown was referred to as a rapper. Is it the cadence and/or the beat that makes ppl think certain artists are hip hop artists?
Well said, Mark. You said everything that needed to be said.
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I will say just looking through Tommy Richman's discography on Apple Music, he has multiple songs listed under several different genres like pop, R&B/Soul and alternative. Generally speaking over the last decade, it seems like there's a bunch of artists that haven't necessarily stuck to just doing one genre of music, to the point where trying to classify something by genre almost seems archaic.
This a serious conversation we need to have cause they use our music and culture to make a name for themselves and when it’s time to move on they don’t give back in a positive way.
We have struggles,battles, wars that they can never relate to and we can’t just leave and it’s not sad for us but it becomes sad once it gets used by other people that don’t understand that part of it or take the time to understand us.
im happy he came out early now we can enjoy the music for what it is Pop music infused with 80s funk and hiphop rnb
Fair.
Beyonce having Miley Cyrus and Post Malone on Cowboy Carter is a conversation not enough people talk about considering their treacherous history in our culture 😅 she called out the hypocrisy of us being so welcoming of others who use our culture yet get boxed out when we try to reclaim it.
You're content is authentic. I dont know the artist or even know the song but I can understand by your insight
Thank you 🙏
I have a theory on this. Rather than just culture vultures, there’s 3 types of outsiders to a culture: immigrants, tourists, and colonizers.
Immigrants join the culture and either assimilate completely or enrich the culture with their own heritage. Sean Paul and Eminem come to mind.
Tourists admire the culture and are just here to explore for a bit. They might be annoying because they’re ignorant and might not really get it.
Colonizers want all the richness of the culture without the people in it. From greedy to execs to artists that will condemn the culture that gave them clout. Elvis Presley is the ultimate example.
I’m curious as to where you all would place Tommy and Post and what you think of those categories
Tommy Richman put his foot in his mouth. SMH. Either say, “I’m not a rapper, but I AM hip-hop,” or just don’t say anything. Let the music speak for itself. We’ll know what you’re doing if you go techno or alternative. But he didn’t need to tweet that.
I just think Twitter was the wrong place for that, and there was really no context to it.
@@RobMarkman agreed!
But is he reallllly hip hop though? He's a white man that makes music with hip hop influences, but is that all it takes to makes a dude hip hop to yall? If anything the right move as a collective would be to tell him "aite cool" and gatekeep him out of any cultural relevancy the way country is doing to Beyonce
@@mlucky12 I have to hear more from him. But so far, I would say he’s hip hop. He may not be a rapper or lyricist but hip hop is broad enough to include him. Or maybe not now lol.
@r0mediddy I think I have a more culturally rooted definition of what makes someone hip hop lol, I think Tommy Richman is a talented artist that was clearly influenced by Pharrell and Timbo. And I think million dollar baby is catchy. But that's it lol.
Respect for actual journalism
If he's collaborated with MCs in the past, and then takes those sounds of hip-hop and evolves those sounds to the point of his current chart toppers, he has to know what he's doing. My biggest thing is the knee jerk reaction these artists feel: it's like they need to distinguish themselves from hip-hop completely as if its lesser.
I don’t care for their apologies. It happens time and time again.
So many good questions asked here. Love the conversations being held here.
Naw you COOKED on this episode brother 🤝🏾
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Black artist were rock first, and country first. Dont forget that, move in those categories too, those are yours and you have every right.
This is a fact
I did find it weird how this particular song was playing during the same time Drake and Kendrick was battling
Spotify had a habit of adding it to my Kendrick Lamar Playlist. 😡
What do you believe that insinuates?
Because their situation had nothing to do with what what the algorithm was already eating off tommy snippets just because theirs a fight In McDonald’ don’t mean u can’t get your meal from Wendy’s 😂
@@jaychulo.F Poetry
@@tevinbrown1004I’m sayin bro 😭 ✍️
Tommy Richman describes his music as R&B meets punk
Ebro just mentioned something on this topic on the last episode of Rap Life Review. He said something along the lines of the culture needs to do better at protecting itself bc the artists coming just to monetize off of the trends water down the music. The core elements of hip hop still exist, but it becomes harder to identify for new listeners of the genre. Their last episode was a good watch.
Well said and researched as always. I'm sure Tommy is well aware of the audience that gravitated towards Million Dollar Baby and Devil Is A Lie and many of those people may have been disappointed or even "confused" when hearing the Coyote album because it doesn't have the same feel as those songs at all. I think he was trying to say this album is different from the viral songs purposely and ya'll can take it or leave it.
When I went to Brent Faiyaz Wasteland tour last year Tommy was his opener.. I had never heard of him before that, when he performed he sounded more like a singer/R&B like Brent so idk where labeling him a rapper came from
It's always been a section of Hip Hop even with Black artists who proudly say in their rhymes "I'm not a rapper". From Jay "I thought I told you cats I'm not a rapper" to most recently hearing Larry June say on an Alchemist track "Truthfully, don't give a fuck about this rap shit/Was either this, or take a risk". I feel this sentiment should stop altogether IMO as how can we get others to respect it, when a lot of our own treat it like a financial come up? Yeah, everyone want to get to the bag, sure...but you still have to treat your art form with better respect publicly.
Tbf, when jay z says it, he’s trying to say i “came from drug dealing and Im really about what I say” and or “im a businessman” because those are both his brand. But when someone like lil Wayne says it he means it because he wants to be a rock artist and he’s not 😹😹☠️☠️
@@notreallyafamousartist695 Yeah, I mainly feel that putting that sentiment out there leaves a lot to be misinterpreted.
@@MrVan77 for sure for sure agree, I think if you have the urge to say “I’m not a rapper” DO NOT RAP like at all, and sonically distance yourself from the genre. That’s what I did in 2019 when I moved to pop, rock, & rnb🤷🏾♂️ and guess what… it works 😱😱😱 but you have to actually be able to sing and improve your singing. Ya gotta learn how to write lyrics differently because hip hop lyrics are way diff than other genres. And you just straight up CANNOT rap ever again or you will be called rap. I still got random like “this is a cool mix of rock with rap flavor!” Or “pop with rap vibes!” Because I’m black. But guess what, these RAPPERS don’t want to put that effort in. They just want to call themselves other things to “sound prestigious”. Which is very self hating and insecure. I left it because of how the culture was changing, these people want to “leave” because they feel like other genres make them better than a rapper. Sad.
This didn’t entirely have to do with your point, just wanted to give something to the convo!
@@notreallyafamousartist695 You’re good. And you made a great point that I agree with. It really is a prestigious thing when some guys try to distance themselves.
Solid advice Rob. 🤎👌🏾
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Please believe if they put Million Dollar Baby in a hip-hop category for a Grammy, he gone run his none hip-hop azz up on that stage and grab that Grammy. And even with him to me clear as day being alternative or Pop if he’s in a R&B category he’ll win over a Summer Walker or an actual R&B artist.
Great commentary
I love this topic. Artists catch a lick off the backs of rap, but when it comes to identity, they do so much to push themselves away. I don't hold this so much against Tommy but we got tons of artists when they've dried up the well, they move to "what they want to do" or some shit like that. You can definitely do stuff you like but don't do hip hop like a one and done.
I mean some of this critique is valid but also... why do people HAVE to only make music in one single genre? Lol?
They don’t.
Never even listened to Post Malone because I knew from the rip he was going to run. I remember arguing about this with people. For Post Malone to say hip hop is not emotional tells me he’s limited. Miley Cyrus is another one!
I don’t see what the big deal is particularly speaking with this young man. He doesn’t even give a vibe of being hip hop. His music and videos are more rock-ish. He can’t help that hip hop stations play his music because it’s popular. Everyone doesn’t want to be hip hop and I would rather him say that from the onset instead of claiming it and then abandoning it when it doesn’t suit him anymore.
Exactly I’m still confused about the issue I thought this was pop
And Million Dollar Baby blew up on tiktok before those stations even played him.
broski said we gone pay these bills😂 hustlin on the road!💯🔥
I agree I don’t think he was trying to be malicious but as Dj he’s mentioned there is nuances that can be perceived but such statements esp when you have seen how hip hop has embraced the record! Also I thought he was part of Brent camp or at least they were cool
Blacks and black culture are just welcoming as whole
Great breakdown Rob!!
If hip hop and R&B weren’t seen as the same genre, would Tommy Richman’s comments have the same impact? Would he even feel the need to say it? 🤔
This why i dont rock with these mfs when they drop. Devil is a lie sound like some old neptunes joint soni like it but they use hip hop to catapult their careers
Appreciate the perspective. MDB is not necessarily a hip hop song but it uses many Hip Hop elements: aspirational theme, slowed down memphis vocal sample and drums, slang used. If you watch the video then it becomes very clear the art is clearly hip hop CULTURALLY: fashion, aesthetics, dances, hand signaling, direction style... another Caucasian artist trying to keep hip hop at arms length because it's good for growing the brand into the burbs.
There was a time when hip-hop wasn't the dominant music on the planet Earth. Hip-hop must downsize, so people who are really sincere will do this thing rather than be marketed in a way that they don't agree with or even know about because they're not in those meetings with the executives who market their creativity in ways that they don't appreciate.
That’s probably gonna happen anyway since it seems like the money is drying up
🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow 👏👏 The examples that you gave to explain your opinion. The contradictory 🤣🤣💀💀
As a NY'er Hot 97 is on the drake stimmy plan. It's 22/7 drake all day every day. It sucks!
But they play Not Like Us all day now lol
I’m gonna be honest Rob. I’ve never understood the Post argument. I get the comments he’s said in the past trying to distance himself from Hip Hop and he definitely doesn’t get a pass for that but if you look at his discography he has 1 Hip Hop MIXTAPE, 3 Hip Hop albums, 1 Pop & 1 Country. Other than the comments why are we mad again?
Not mad at Post at all, but it’s providing the context and let’s not ignore the privilege that white artists have to genre bend where it’s much harder for Black artists.
This is just a microcosm of life. There’s not much that can be done about it when the people who push the music, consume the music may not be fully hip hop themselves, and it props these artists up in a position in hip hop even though they’re not necessarily embraced by a hip hop head.
I’m in sales. Do you know how easy it is for white colleagues to move, jeans & scruffy t shirt and closing deals, even newer people having “luck” in the industry right away. Where as POC has to grind, if we’re not articulate, well dressed and have experience, the same benefit is not afforded to us.
Again a microcosm of life, that is just out of our control.
7:27 years we should. Discrimination is a chain on humanity and the price of freedom is constant vigilance
Beyoncé collaborated with Post & Miley…..both who were able to go between genres yet she’s shut out from country. I think she chose them on purpose.
Been saying this bro I can’t believe ppl keep getting swindled by the VULTURES
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Well said bro!
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This why I fwu Rob @9:29 you can tell that you still pissed about that quote. In which I am too. I also remember 21 said he agreed with post and everyone just sat back and fucked with him.
Great breakdown
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Gatekeeping has been a problem for our people to hold down for a long time. From Country all the way to Hip Hop.
Until we as Black Americans address this issue, the cycle will forever repeat.
Agree with You 1000% Talk that Talk. Peace.
Very well articulated
Thank you.
Tell his team to remove the label of hip hop. Artists COMMUNICATE with your ppl!!! 😣 ty Rob!
DJ Hed is an agent of chaos. I would’ve been like *Then don’t play my MF’N music IDGAF* *But to be clear I respect and grew up on hip hop but I’m not SOLELY a hip hop artist, I’m a singer and don’t want to be boxed in* BOOM
Dont blame the artist, blame the consumer.
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Don’t have much to say lol. I agree with everything you expressed. Igor is iconic. I guess I had some to say lol
Thanks for just checking in! 🫡
This is the reason WE NEED GATE KEEPER'S IN MY HIPHOP CULTURE 💯
What are the core principles of modern hip hop culture?
This why we need lyrical bars, it used to be harder to be in hip hop because people could simply not rap good enough or even sing well enough. It should not have been that EASY for him to even tweet that. Gotta put more respect on the art of hip hop
There’s a huge difference in “I’m not hip hop” vs “I’m not solely hip hop”. He back pedaling a bit trying to say he misspoke.
I believe him, i think he misspoke
To be fair if you go back listen to his older music before he blew up, he was never hip hop and this is coming from a fan of his music since his early career. He was more like alternative mixed with a little hip hop. I’m a black man who enjoys his music, it’s like he’s trying to do his own thing ,there’s different styles of Hip-Hop in this day and age.
Agreed.
DJ Hed is completely right, whether or not you should gatekeep isn’t my place to say but my instinct is to say everyone should take a page from hip hop and stop trying to keep people out. It seems crazy to me to do that when the art fits the category and I don’t see how it’s not just being racist to keep out black artists. Once everyone can move freely then it won’t sting so much when someone says they’re not part of a particular music genre.
This is why there needs to be gatekeepers... They will continue to play in the community face until the community puts a stop to it..
When I first heard Million Dollar Baby, I thought he was black.
It happens lol
the fact that post said that bout hiphop makes me think he ignored all the people we thought was his peers
we really just need to start taking artists social media away from them the moment they pop
You think he might be saying this so Grammy’s doesn’t put him in Hip-Hop category potentially winning over ‘Not Like Us’?
Nah, i don’t think so, because his label has to submit to the academy and they choose the category.
I do get your point, but also even some of our own people and some of our elders in hip hop don’t want to associate themselves with what “hip hop” is now.
Very true. They treat rappers like it’s a dirty word. Thats a whole other convo
Bros PR team facepalmed when this happened 😂😂