Landscapers Going Bankrupt Across The UK
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2021
- Landscapers Going Bankrupt Across The UK, its always happened but probably going to be more than normal, what's your thoughts?
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I’m not sure I agree. My daughter hired a contractor to put a patio down ( he has a good name locally). Due to demand he dropped a couple of hoodies off from his van to do his work and it was a right botch. If your hiring someone to do a job, you want them to do it, not some stand in. Sooner he goes bust or learns, the better.
Interesting
You can be a busy fool.
One job at a time and good deposits from good customer for a good job.
I stay small and in control
If you’re starting new jobs before finishing others, you are putting financial pressure on yourself, you haven’t been paid for the jobs that aren’t finished and you’re paying out for the materials for the jobs you’re starting
I've finished my DIY job using all Johnny's vids for guidance. But, I'm not in this business, but I still keep coming back for the content, it's just so good and I find it really interesting. Another good video Johnny!
Thank you so much mate
Never a truer word spoken, keep up the great work Jonny boy
Thanks
I've recently started up on my own been doing the trade for 9 years. The first 3 months I booked in jobs back to back which I quickly found out was a mistake especially considering I'm a one man band, I didn't fall behind on any jobs thankfully and kept all my customers happy but obviously I didn't have a single day off nearly ran myself into the ground physically and mentally from dealing with everything. Now I've been realistic with timing and had to space out jobs which has ment saying to customers they'll have to wait 2 months etc before I'm able to do the job. I've not gotten jobs because customers didn't want to wait for me but I'd rather that then have unhappy customers as reputation is everything. If ur works good and ur trustworthy people will wait for u.
Great words
Great words, I saw the post in question and it’s very unfortunate! Hopefully he will manage to sort it out with some help, he’s in the right group for advice that’s for sure
It’s so so important to take a step back now and again and look at the bigger picture, they say make hey while the sun is shining but don’t be greedy. We try and keep the work steady for 3 of us and if the guys want more house we will take on the odd fit in job here and there but nothing more than 3-4 days It’s all about organisation & communication and remembering this influx of work isn’t going to last forever, keeping a good name is key even if all the extra work is at an arms reach and seems so inviting!
Its a shame Joe, some just get overwhelmed.
Super points Johnny
Over the past 5 months I’ve had 5 contractors start part of my garden project only to find one of 2 outcomes. 1) They are complete cowboys that have no clue what they’re doing or 2) they found a job that was more profitable and walked off the job. 5 months later and watching a lot of your videos, I completed the paving myself. It’s OK.
My recommendation for any people taking on new contractors for any work these days is to get a signed contract detailing the specification and caveated project plan. If they can’t supply that, send them packing. I have very little sympathy for contractors as I’m sure you can understand.
Also, those with a 3 month waiting time are the ones you should go for. Nobody who’s great will be available anytime soon.
Agree totally. Finding someone you can trust is vital. Our problem was the ridiculous quotes we were given. Over 3 grand in some cases. I ended up having a bash myself, Building dwarf walls and rendering too. Did it for under a grand. It's not perfect but I've told the missus it's rustic!
Same here, I had the same problem as you, dealing with absolute clowns and idiots. I have no sympathy for these landscapers.
I agree. I was in a sort of a similar situation last year. My problem was the quotes I got. Roughly £10k for 25sqm of block paving and a 5m long garden wall (60cm high). In the end, I did it myself with oak sleepers (it was a bit of a retaining wall) and real stone setts, including a channel drainage solution with a 250l soak away. The oak was laid on the wider side. Everything for less than £6k with better materials.
Without trying to poo poo what the chaps have said that have done the job’s themselves - I’m sure your happy and proud of what you’ve acheived that’s great..
Your problems weren’t with the qoutes, your problems were that you either didn’t have the budget or didn’t want to spend that much.
The chap that’s spent under 6k for a project that’s been quoted 10k or over is on the money roughly 40% labour cost.
Don’t forget your asking a company to quote the work so they aren’t just paying man hours as per your job they will be paying big overheads too
As a small landscaping company I consciously decided to stop quoting and booking works on when I reached a point of being booked up for around four to five months. I'm gradually working my way through each job but I'm still under immense pressure from customers.
Thanks for sharing! be strong Andrew
Very true words
Always sad to here of people going bust .Good luck to the lad hope all works out for him mate
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Hi Johnny
Different content today, although as important as some of your other Vlogs.
Obviously the work load isnt going to last forever and i think the contractors are better off being honest with the consumers regarding timescale and not give them false promises. I've been quoted 5 times for my patio and said yes to 2 of them who then decided not to answer my calls when I was looking for them to start. Once I had got hold of them by pretending to be a customer looking for a quote. It was apparent they obviously had other jobs on that were either easier or more profitable.
I'm unfortunately going to have to wait until the back log of jobs are finished and then start looking next year when the world is back to some sort of normality and when contractors might be back to quoting responsibily.
Keep it coming love your work. Ps still looking for 45m2 of porcelain project pack to be installed 😭
With you 100% mate such great feedback thank you.
Good advice.. I'm new to being self employed and worked out the beginning part of the year I kept saying yes to keep customers happy and work coming in... Pans out time frames etc became a problem.. I'm in aquatic side of landscaping it's my 3rd year and still figuring things out after 23yrs of being on the advising side of the trade
Well good luck my friend
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Morning Johnny boy 👍🏼 I'm pretty much a one man band with the odd occasion of a labourer when needed, and that's helped me with saying 'yes' or more importantly 'NO' to customers... I could be wrong, but I've found larger firms with more staff tend to accept more jobs and essentially sub contract which has caused customers constant headaches with terrible work and/or shocking customer service... I suppose like you say its down to good time management but more importantly knowing your limits and not being too greedy! Don't get me wrong every job has its cost, but I'd rather cost slightly higher on a job I'm doing 110% until its finished, than juggling 5 jobs at 50%. Hope you're well 👍🏼
Great point 👍
Limits are important as you have said
Exactly how I work, personally I'd rather run plant than employ staff, very rare i ever have a labourer.
Things like a diesel site mixer and tracked barrow on site for the job duration help no end.
I find good clients will wait, the important thing is to be honest from the onset rather than overpromise on time schedules and get forced into starting multiple jobs to show willing then getting caught out by suppliers or weather.
Sad time at the moment for everyone. sometimes saying yes is the wrong thing we just have to learn and take a step back we’ve all been down that road.
Spot on
Landscapers pretty busy round my area - Warks/Ox border. And seemingly getting good money. Got a quote to replace small linear path to front door - only 4m x 1.2m . contractor quoted £800! Plus more if I wanted premium sandstone etc.
Essex busy too...
Cheers Matt
Hi Johnny boy
That's the million dollar question , how to expand and keep control of labour and make money ? Its difficult , in my experience its slowly slowly but you have to accept their will be mistakes, nobody is perfect, lose the work rather than try to squeeze it in , and remember nobody will work for you like yourself , so don't set false targets 💘💘👍my heart goes out to him 💘💘👍 clients will soon not pay if your work is not up to scratch and material alone can send you bankrupt , 😇😇👍 keep safe John and all ,respect to you mate and fellow lads trying to make a living and trying to do the best job 💘👍
I think your right John mate loose the jobs instead of overload.
Some really good points in the video. The absolute main part anyone should take take away from this is to be able to say 'NO' to jobs. If you do not have the right staff around you to carry out large high quality jobs then do not even think about quoting for it, you just destroy yourself, your business and waste everybody's time. Stick to jobs you can control yourself even if staff let you down by staff you can still handle.
What a great response thank you
I know other trades that have done the same thing. Joiners starting up and being a yes man then getting snowed under, not finishing jobs, not getting paid or being paid less because of it then not being able to pay other trades working for them.
I know mate , do you think its more than normal?
I think guys are just afraid to say no to work and turn customers away with the current uncertainties. We could all be locked down at a moment's notice again or materials could dry up. Don't blame guys for being afraid they cant feed their families, it must be a hard balancing act right now. I know joiners that have been told to take 4 weeks off work because either their company can't get materials or because materials prices are so inflated. Tough times 😞
You can be a really skilled person and do great work but business acumen is sometimes just natural for some people but others not !! Business is booming now it shouldn’t be happening really great vid 👍🏻👍🏻
Great observation
Only take on what you can physically do yourself. He's been greedy taking on work that out of his league. No sympathy seen it alot
What’s the name of the forum that you run please? Would be interested to have a look
Landscaping survival Mate
Sadly I think two contractors I'm currently engaged in are in this situation. The one contract was meant to be completed in January 2021 and I've been as flexible with him as possible but now given another restart date in October and has cited both physical and.mental health issues. The second contractor has had van issues, delays from a previous job and won't move forward unless the forecast shows 10 days of dry weather at least, is the latter reasonable?
Lot going on it can be a nightmare, I think the latter is fair but he has to make a start at some point.
Blimey - the background traffic noise in that garden is terrible.
Has been the craziest year for landscaping got so many calls for jobs in the last 6 months couldn't keep up with the calls ended up stuck on one project that I mad a lost on du to material price's rocketing think I'm going to stick to small jobs only easier to manage and I think the profit margins are higher and if you do under price it it's not as bad it's only a few days not 3 months or so just playing it safe now never know what is going to happen
Cheers Micheal mate
Good advice, you mentioned you’re on a forum. Do you source most of your jobs off that. Also have you ever tried my builder? I’ve been in the trade 7 yrs and recently started up my own business.
If you need any help just call mate
Okay thanks, what’s the best number to reach you on?
07795595994
Greed!
Whatever you do, do not work for building companies..
I agree Mark
Where can i find your forum?
Landscaping Survival
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Perfect planning prevents piss poor performance
love it
Can I have a dress of that forum please , I'm from Leicester, currently running micro digger and driver, looking for more work. Thanks
Landscaping Survival with Johnyboy
Hi John mate hope you and Alison and kids are good
He sounds like he’s tried going down the old sub lating route mate .as you know you can’t pay some one to care about a job
We care and we go that extra mile because it’s our living and passion but to think u can pay for that very nieave and may be even greedy seen the demand and seen pound signs
All good Gareth mate, just busy mate thanks for your positive response.
Like all business at the moment it's a balancing act my rule is dont be to greedy and take on to much work.
I agree
This happened to a good mate of mine sad times. 🧱
Sad
Tell him to contact some of his customers and cancel or negotiate his contracts.
cheers Paul
Sounds like he got greedy, most likely spent his customers materials deposit money on other things instead managing it. Better off finding a job and work for someone who knows what they are doing. Harsh but true.
Is going “Bust” because is to greedy or bad management.
great feed back
Thank you , for your videos John ! Pleasure to watch them !
Although slightly off-topic to the original message but in some way closely related to the irony of this video is the cost of labour.
How much would someone expect to pay a tradesman on a daily rate? Or how much are some in the trade currently charging customers. It appears that a builder and labourer these days charge £300 per day as a minimum and generally expect payment in cash. Even then I have had builders wanting to charge £400 and beyond per day for a couple of weeks work.
But has anyone ever stopped to think how much tax and NI a paying customer has to earn in order to to achieve a daily net pay of £300 or £1,500 per week? Yes, a staggering £120,000 per year salary gives a standard tax-payer a. £1,500 per week net take-home pay.
Given that many people are on £35,000 PA their take-home pay is £105 per day meaning that they have to work three full days at 8 hours per day - i.e. 24-hours just to get one day out of a builder and labourer. Even then, getting a builder to work anywhere near eight hours in a day is a tall ask and more often than not, come four o'clock and even earlier they are nowhere to be seen.
Given the rising costs of materials and daily labour rates being so disproportionate to many of the tax abiding customers who have so far willfully paid them in cash, this is another contributing factor that will create problems for many in the industry.
For now, demand may be high, but before long they will be a shortage of work as many builders price themselves out of the market.
It would be interesting to see what labour charges some builders have or are charging per day both from the customer's point of view as well as those in the trade.
Is there a 'rip-off' mentality being adopted caused by an abundance of work and if so will they be the one's facing bankruptcy when things quieten down?
It's people like PCSO BURNSIDE SNIFF SNIFF who boasted in an earlier comment of his 14K profit for doing two weeks of work that saved him from going bankrupt. It's people like him who gives the industry a bad name. He even goes on to say the he "got lucky in his last job" and "thank God for their honesty "- I mean where is this guy's honesty, integrity or ethics?
The subject of charges and daily weekly rates could be a subject for a future video?.
What you have to understand is a builders “day rate” is in fact their whole companies turn over. I’m a builder and I charge a day rate similar to what you mentioned in your comment. That isn’t my salary - that day rate covers all of my costs. The costs of my van, insurance, public indemnity insurance, tools (20k worth), labourers wage and his pension contributions etc. Then whatever is left from all these costs is mine…. Once I pay tax, my accountant fees and NI. 400 quid a day quickly becomes 170 trust me…. Which is a normal salary. Also in response to your comment on cash. Yes, 15 years ago the industry was dominated by cash, these days I don’t take any cash as it is never offered by clients nor it is received my employees. Cash is dead. We have costs to pay: we’re just trying to make a living
I just finished a job in Fulham and my parking was £45 a day!!!
Furthermore, I start work on site at 7.30 and leave at 5. After that’s finished I go to see clients for quotes, doing my books, write up estimates, speak to my suppliers. If I finish before 8 il be chuffed
It sounds to me that the last thing that should happen is you go bankrupt when you are overloaded with work, very strange indeed
Especially when landscaping is booming prices we are getting for jobs are vastly more than a couple year back.
Call me cynical 🤨 but it might be the case that he has took a lot of deposits and spent the money left customers in the lurch. If that’s the case then no pity at all.
Why take on more work and deposits when you can’t get through what you have on.
Two things happening here either he is deliberately going bankrupt to avoid finishing projects or he is far to cheap in the first place. Either way I would say good riddance.
Some great points
my advice to the client (customer) is however small a project is put a contract in place with a detailed scope of work and specification. and agree upfront how you will pay the contractor. don't be suckered into paying upfront. if you agree interim payments ensure this is representative of progress made. estimate the cost yourself using a breakdown of the costs (labour, plant, materials and subcontractors). consider withholding a retention to cover any defects or snaggs that you do not identify immediately on completion. speak to people in your area that have had work done and ask them what they would have done differently if they went through the process again you may avoid similar mistakes.
Quite easy to go burst with loads of work. Cash is king. If you are not collecting it or people not happy then you can get stung
Exactly what I was thinking, sounds like he got greedy.
There’s always work you just do it yourself
Good morning Johnny boy I tried that number and had a very angry guy 🤣 he said he's had loads of call what's your number fella just wanted to pick your brains about something
Lmao 07795595994
Lesson .. don't be greedy.
Absaloutly
Sounds like he’s got too greedy with no thought to how he will actually deliver. Sometimes it’s just simple to be a one man band with a couple labourers as a team only working as that team. These sorts of things won’t happen then. There’s nothing wrong with wanted to grow. But don’t be an idiot about it only got self to blame. Has this person thought to say sorry I can’t do this date I’ve had x worker let me down and now I’m having to finish my work and also some of my teams. This has pushed things back. If you are happy to wait I’d gratefully appreciate your patience but if you do wish to go with someone else I would understand. Not sure how it’s making him Bankrupt 😂 with having too much work. Just space it out
Great feedback
No sympathy. Too many Cowboys doing landscape work who are over charging and underperforming. Get you trade cleaned up.
yep
Tell me about it, been quoted £23k and £27k for 65sqm of hard landscaping
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No way
Wow, I never knew Ellen DeGeneres did landscaping.
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