@@aminuddin-sama7188 In Indonesia there is also a Malay language, which is called Malay, is Majapahit from Indonesia, Malaysia is the kingdom of the Malacca Sultanate which is often studied not Majapahit, in my school I learned about the kingdoms in Indonesia, including Majapahit until its reign to the archipelago
So Karambit Warriors are basically zerglings. 0.5 population, low hp, low cost, high speed, dual-wield claw-like weapons. If they could be turned into petards that would be your baneling morph right there.
@Ian Cabugsa I mean the civilization that is the strongest in the game and portrays one of the greatest and long lasting empires in the history of man kind. Please dont use this incredibly ignorant meme outside of 4chan
I'd argue that most people like to see the results, no matter how complicated they can get. However when it comes to doing the work required to get the results is a different matter..
You just need a context for why you are doing the stuff in class, I found having real world/relating it to my uni work helped me understand the maths I was doing at uni.
When Rise of the Rajas came out, one of my favourite strategies on Bog Islands was to start dropping Harbors offensively on your opponent. They were cheap and spammable mini-castles and I love them. Not as viable after the nerf, but I'd still recommend trying it at least once.
Trick is you throw down all them THICC Harbours (I can't stand not spelling it "Harbors") and just spam Fire Ships/Demo Ships and wreck everything they ever control. Harbours are also amazing for defense. They're 125 wood mini-castles. The trick is, you throw up LOADS of them. As in, at least 50 per Fishing Ship.
The wood-only cost combined with infinite fish traps means you can really spam harbours. I like to play them offensively too- if at least 50% of the available coastline doesn't have a harbour, I consider it vulnerable... :D
Looking back on some of your pre-Rise of the Rajas videos (Teutons, Mongols and Japanese being the big ones), I think it is time to remake them. Some changes have been made in recent patches and in the latest expansion. Three of them being that Teutonic Knights are now a bit faster, Mangudai get their original anti-seige bonus, and the Japanese get Treadmill Crane.
I think something we sometime forget, is that you can produce fishing ships WHILE producing villagers, when your economy is high enought. That in itself is a pretty good economy boost arround the mid-game since you will have more ressources gatherer than you could with only forums, making the fish trap use even more usefull. Good video again Spirit!
Even now, with the Malay fish traps reduced to 3X the food, they still give a food:wood conversion of 32:1. By comparison, even Teutons with a Chinese ally max out at 16.8 food per 1 wood invested.
During Majapahit era, no such country that was known today as Indonesia or Malaysia. The whole Nusantara area was known at that time as Malay world or Malay archipelago. And today Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia shares many similarities. Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1814 & Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824 creates today's Malaysia & Indonesia.
it was called dvipantara (sanskirt by indian) and nusantara (old javanese) malay, sundanese, javanese and balinese as an ethnicities did not differ before the fall of sailendra of srivijaya in java
I think you are missing the potential of an Anti-Goth Civ here. For one, the Battle Elephants have Trample and are both extremely thick and powerful in comparison to most units, and for the Malay, even without the armour/health bonuses, the cheapness makes them easier to pump out. Second, they have infinite food if there is any body of water, and almost every game, including Arabia and Black Forest, always has a pond or so, so a Malay player can always get an infinite amount of food even when wood is lacking. Third, they get near infinite Two-Handed Swordsmen, that has all of the upgrades even if they are not champions, and when against Goths where they still depend on Gold, Goth's also lack a single armour upgrade. Four, the Goth Infantry is their main go of being better than most Civs once they reach that point, yet Malay pretty much removes the threat of the three infantry: Huskarls the anti-archers, Halberdiers then anti-calvary, and Champions the bomb. Both the Huskarls and Champions cost gold, and the Malay can easily outspam them with infinite Two-Handed Swordsmen and Pirates that are cheaper than Champions by half and less population. Throw in some Battle Elephants, and the generic Goth player is eaten up. Not to mention Malay still have better defenses, monks, and archers in comparison to the Goths.
ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Elephant Read the first paragraph, end sentence. They function the same as Trample Damage for War Elephants; Trample Damage deals half the damage that their normal damage does, unlike Cataphracts/Slav Infantry, where it's just 5 Damage.
i think goth champions and halberdiers are still much better in terms of cost-efficiency (since champion cost is only 39f/13g) and you can use more halberdiers to remove their elephants without spending too much resources. i know sometimes both are good against each other, maybe because of a different situation or maps.
The availability of Heresy might be reflecting about how the Malays are known to be strong with their religion/belief. According to Marmaduke Dodsworth in his research about Christianity and the Malays, The Malays are the hardest of all races to be converted, especially the Malays in the Malay peninsula. And even now, in Malaysia it is illegal for one of another religion to propagate among the Malays, and the Malays are specifically defined as Muslims in the Federal Constitution. It's a very interesting addition for them to add, very small detail yet for the Malays, they know about this. Well, if this _is_ the reason xD
This aoe malay version is a prehistoric malay before islam came where actually is supposed to be a combination of majapahit, sriwijaya, and malay combined alltogether
@@ordinaryone2833 in my country, malay is only an ethnic group consist of less than 5% of indonesia. Majapahit was never a malay state and more of a javanese tribe. Malaysia arbitrarily use malay as anyone who is a muslim in malay. Java (majapahit), sunda (pajajaran) and other kingdom have super different culture and the language very intelligible to malay. So please, malay is not a race but an ethnic group. Id prefer austronesian than being called malay as a race
Seriously guys, THE MALAY ARE AWESOME. I just used them for the first time - they are just crushing!!!! Flood the field with elite Karambit warriors, they are cheap, quite strong and move fast! LOL what power! Similar to the goths
My favourite civ, though I am getting sick of being nerfed every damned patch. The Elite Karambits have been triple nerfed (-1 pierce armour, which really sucks when trying to swarm castles or tcs, and -1 attack twice), and the Harbors were also nerfed (significantly slower fire rate). The fish traps were also originally free, and the age advancement was originally 100% faster. And all that was given as compensation was slightly cheaper shitty elephants with no bloodlines or armour and +1 attack for the non-elite Karambits.
Just played x256 mod with Malay. Those infinite fish traps + gill net x5 or x6 results in the best food economy in the game, because there just aren't food gather rate boosts outside of that and the infinite food traps make it practical to do this.
Someone linked a bunch of clips on the SotL video where he interviewed Tatoh, in which he was using some heavy demolition ships to kill off a bunch of siege while crossing a strait. EDIT: Here they are: ua-cam.com/video/rN-C2FmALjg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/l5Bo-PS85zk/v-deo.html
Not sure if guns also included in AOE2, Malays in Sultanate Malacca also have a very advance cannons, blunderbuss and muskets, and their guns is even shipped to Japan by Portugese, which is the starts of Oda Nobunaga's era.
There's Hand Cannoners at the Archery Range Malay should've had them, considering how the Nusantara kingdoms were early adopters of gunpowder Now that I think about it, Malay not having a gunpowder-related bonus is a missed opportunity
A day with a new civ overview is always an excellent day. Thank you, as always it was a great video. And I'm looking forward to playing the Malay campaign now.
In my country, Indonesia, we didn't lose because of their weapon superiority, we could steal some of their weaponry or counter them with classic-but-effective weapons such as archery and cavalry, the only factor we lose just because those colonialists bribed some of our fellows to betray their people and work for their benefits, the colonialists made us fight each other
It is actually basically also what happened in the siege in Malacca. According to historians, the Portuguese' greatest ships were not able to defeat the Malaccan navy. And how they defeated us was by finding a traitor in the Malaccan sultanate and destroy it from the inside. As what the old Malay people always say, a grand tree cannot be cut down just by using the head of an axe, but requires a branch from that tree which shall be inserted into the head of the axe as the handle, and only then the tree can fall. A great empire cannot fall, unless if the people inside the empire bring it down.
Hey Spirit, once your done making all the civ overviews you should make an AOE2 overview. I think that would help new players learn just how epic and strategic this game can be.
Amazing vid Spirit. Malay is, probably, my favorite civ of the newest DLC. They're stables are awful, but i love to play with them on water maps or Black Forest if i have some ponds near. The only problem with this civ is that they don't have a strong unit, so always i get them on Michi or long team Black Forest games it's total loss.
Spirit is so thoroughly analytical in his overviews, and is so dang chill whilst doing it, that even if I don't personally play (though I do enjoy watching) AoE 2, he indirectly gives me the motivation to analyze and contribute to the Wikis of my own favorite strategy games. Thanks so much Spirit! - You're an incredible inspiration, and an ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° *S-tier* role model!
Tomorrow is monday mean time for work at the morning I think I should sleep early. See SoTL upload Malay overview. Meh screw sleep, sleep is only for weaklings...
BIG MENTION: (malay is my favorite civ - fishships my favorite unit) you can place usually 9 fish traps around a dock right next to it. it works. and it has instant drop off. i didnt do the numbers but its better than 29 f/min i think after gillnets. Though!!! there is a bug problem. there is usualy one of the ships which bug out and must be retasked (it stops when having 4 food. allso it can bug out if you build 2 fishtraps side by side. even worse with 3. i usually build 1 on each side wait for them to finish up then i build again. else you risk the old boat blocking the building. But its manageble. but yes you can build docks with 2 tiles between and fill up a littel pond with many fishing ships. Usually i get 40+ fishships on bf - especially on teamgames if there is a medium pond. there is higher chance for that in teamgames. with more than that i find it a bit hard to manage the bugs but i think i have tried 60 some times. my advice is: dock as usual. (allso if you have to walk vill far - guard with scout if not on easiest mode. then keed creating fish boats. i think you should wait making 2. dock you need for space. to keep castle time good and gain acces to gillnets. - a musthave. after you click castle focus on geting the fish ships out to manage the bugs before you need to micro elsewhere. On open maps i havent tested a lot. maybe dont build them close because of bug. build 9 still but with 1 tile between. it makes far lesser bugs, but less good. and ofc get the harbor upgrade. on nomad the fishtrap bonus is very good because you can justify making tons of fishships because its ok to go fishtraps afterwards
could you maybe do some testing about how to get the least buggy way to make the fishtraps in addition to effficiency? - btw you can max get gillnets 4 times in 9x/256x tech mode. after that it starts bug out for real. actually making some really wierd bugs. Allso dont do wheelburrow more than i think it was 23 times, then your vills cant really build proberly
I really like the Special Malay build order when the Starting TC is close to water. You can build so many docks and outpace the others by a large gap to fast imperial at 20:00. In case you have teammates to protect you because you still need to research 13 techs to fully train trash double handed swordsmen. Perfect! Spam those swordsmen as long as your opponent isn't using any Mongol like super Cav Archers or quick Mayan Archers. You can counter them with another trash - the Elite Skirmishers. Brilliant, I tried this on 1v1 and got killed when hitting castle age... Hate feudal rushes T_T
Hey I'm gonna be real, I've played this game for years now as a casual player, and I've never been good at it, but like, watching your videos so much and getting back into the game, I'm actually steadily improving my performance thanks to your videos, so I just wanna say thank you for that! I used to play my favourite civ (Malay) so ineffectively but now I'm actually learning to really take advantage of the civ's strengths And also thanks to you I actually started using onagers. For a long time I've had reservations about the onager because of high cost and friendly fire damage, but after hearing you praise the onager so much, I actually try them out, pairing them with the Malay trash infantry, and holy crap am I happy I decided to give the onager another try. I can definitely say now that they're my favourite part of any army because of how strong they are against literally any unit, even ships, So yeah, thanks for being a huge inspiration to keep playing!
In most cases those things are so small that you can just kill them with archers or onagers instead. Also, they're randomly distributed around the map, so typically not in any safe area. Still, a bonus is a bonus - every bit helps.
Mendicant Bias yeah theyre weak, but taking away the pressure from ships at least means you only need to defend it from land rather than both water and land
Hey Spirit, nice overview right there! Always nice to see a new Video of yours! I dont know how much you looked into the Karambits, but i think didnt really clear up HOW good they are at least in Imperial. There is almost no unit in the whole game to counter the karambit spam, they even trade cost-efficient vs Paladins
Because TaToH (a very skilled player who has a likeness for unorthodox strategies and moves; once featured by spirit on his channel) is very fond of using them.
Great video and I'd like to add: Quick training time for the karambit warrior really helps in early castle age game while raiding and stppping the enemy's boom
The other think that needs to be noted is that cheaper battle elephants combined with Forced Levy Two Handed Swordsmen are very scary in large quantities and very hard to counter cost effectively with anything less than a wall of heavy cavalry or seige units.
Great... So much of greatness... Thank You Spirit of The Law... I will watch it later... I really wish to know which history of Malay they actually took from...
Hey Spirit! Great video as always. A suggestion - How about including like a 30 second prologue in each civ overview video about their history/interesting facts etc..
I would say the latter... 2:10 mins for the Feudal upgrade are 130 secs. 130/1.8 = 72. But it takes 78 sec for Malay. 130/78 = 1.67. So it's 1.67 or 67% faster progression. Same for Castle und Imperial Upgrade: 160/1.67 = 96 160/1.67 = 114
Corvo that's actually the opposite of what I expected, normally when it displays in increase in rate it gives a much larger increase (such as the Japanese attack rate) so I was expecting something like an actual 400% faster (aka 80% decrease in time) so that's really surprising and makes me wonder what they got wrong this time
Yes, it'S really confusing. I didn't find a way to get 1.8 or 0.8 or something with a calculation that is just a little bit different. I guess they just copied the wrong number or changed it later and forgot to update the info page.
It’s supposed to be the former. I’ve never heard anything about it being an incorrect number, except for literally just what this guy in this thread said.
It's supposed to be 80%? How do you know? I think it's possible that they started with 80% and nerved it later in the code because they thought it was too overpowered but forgot to change the text.
Hey Spirit, how do the Malay compare to the Goths? I love both civs, but Goths was my first love, and I’m afraid that the Malay are flat-out better due to a better economy, a more flexible tech tree, more unit options, better water abilities, and roughly equal and in some circumstances superior horde infantry (even against archers, based on your Karambit Warrior analysis).
If you did remake your top 5 infantry civs video, where would the Malay fit in? Would you put them in the honorable mentions spot, or do you think they're in the top 5?
Hang on, I thought you could garrison Fishing Ships (and other ships) in docks? Does that not work, or is it only for newly created units you've tasked to start in there?
Hey Spirit I know it's an old video so you probably won't see thise... but feel free to amaze me. I don't understand the math about the malay bonus of "advancing to ages +80% faster", I know the amount of time it takes them to advance is 60% of the normal time it would take. I am no mathematician but I tried to approache it as an equation of motion since the malay TC should work +80% faster when advancing through ages, and I found that for it to be +80% faster they need to advance in 55.5% of the normal time. Can you please explain the math about thise bonus, maybe in a future video?
Karambit warrior is in srivijaya history and after majapahit took over sumatra, and also when srivijaya still ruled malacca strait, they spread the karambit, that's the reason there's karambit in thailand, malaysia, singapore (temasek) even philippines While in java, especially ancient java, they produced one of the unique knive, kris, which is spreading across nusantara, it goes to thailand (southern), philippines, malaysia, singapore, brunei, and is in fact being used by sultanate of aceh, demak sultanate, and sultanate of makassar (although still in debate in makassar because the evidence is little)
@@niessin1483 this archipelago has only 2 empires in its pre modern history out of hundreds of kingdoms. The first was Srivijaya with Malay culture based in sumatera Island. The second was Majapahit with Javanese culture based on java island. Just like in other parts of the world, while they are compete in superiority aspect in the region, they also intermarried and create a strong bonds and connection throughout and share along their history
Oh my god! I just posted a comment on an old video about food. Did you see that before making this review? 😍😍😍😍 Thank you a lot Spirit Of The Law! I love you 😘😘😘😘
the unique unit is amazingly good when you just mass like crazy even though 90%will die within minutes of crushing a few buildings and wreaking chaos you already able to have twice th enumber as you move on
Hmm.. The Karambit Warrior basically like Zerglings from StarCraft. Relatively cheap? Yep. Fast to mass? Yep. 0.5 supply cost? Yep. Relatively inefficient in low numbers and potentially devastating in high numbers? Yep. I like them. A lot.
9:00 - yes and no actually. The cheaper cost is in that regard a better value than the stats that are traded in. Given that a heavy war will end in attrition sooner rather than later, especially in a 1v1, the cheaper elephants make it surprisingly easy to hit population limit with a sizeable BE count. Doing something similar with the other RotR factions can be done, but will lead to a _much_ smaller window of opportunity, as you will burn through whatever resources you might have had quicker, leaving you open for a counter push that you will most definitely not last through. BEs are a power unit, but there is a theoretical upper ceiling at which point a couple more HP and pierce armor are just not as important as having a bigger mass of these power units in the first place. Long story short, this I reckon is one of the few moments where a heavy discount on a select unit will help in the late game due to their already high cost and thus implied limited availability.
Maybe you considered it and wasn't significant but your infinite fish traps need a lot of fishing ships (wood), will it affect the wood to food ratio significantly more than farms?
Fish traps being infinite means you save a lot on wood, you can invest some into building more docks, which means better fishing efficiency and considerably better protection. Coupled with the no-gold swordsmen, this civ really is interesting.
Hey Spirit, did you find the advertisments of "war and order" (the mobile game) on youtube using your video footage? And are you able to do something against this obviously illegal copyright offense?
Oh I can see the Indonesia map with its isolated water patch at the bottom of the map, protected from all sides, you can put a metric ass ton of fish traps in there and be eternally provisionned with food no problem.
I know this a numbers channel but you have to keep in mind the psychological effect of advancing faster. Seeing that a civ has advanced can have a profound effect on opponent behavior and advancing artificially early even it you can't do much right away will often result in them making some unforced errors.
Hey Spirit i love you videos, but i have a math question about the malays, you can mantain production of karambits with only relics and farms and no gold from other sources ?
I think one civ they would be somewhat weak against would the Koreans on water maps. Their turtle ships are ideal for taking out fish nets and fishing ships since those are immobile. Their very high hp makes it that even if you have ships defending they still can do a lot of damage before you can take them all out. Also against the powerful units and defenses of the Koreans the weak units of the Malay will struggle as they bump into each other.
Hey Spirit, are you planning on doing a new review of all civs on the definitive edition?😍 Greetings from the Netherlands and from one of your biggest fans!
Japanese too, with their higher collection rate, and better food/wood ratio than Farms on account of them missing Crop Rotation. Though, it's *that* much more OP with Malay for obvious reasons :p
I am trying to do some custom maps with a bunch of eater eggs while changing up some of Gias units, but I keep running into glitches. Every time I change the name of a unit the game shuts down. I'm doing what other tutorials are telling me to do but a few of my screen shots look different from theres. For one I have no idea what a string table is and why it doesn't show up on other tutorials. Could you do a review of the map editor with some unit modifications and some triggers? Maybne some name changes.
Hey, I just started watching your videos, and I have a very dumb question. At about 2 minutes into the video, you have what looks to be some kind of ox unit? Is that a shepherded unit? A mod?
what malay needs is floating wood water walls would not be able to build them in sea so its not over powered and the wall would actually be a unit built at the dock which costs 0.1 pop about the lenght of two docks side by side and has the hp of 2 wood walls but need to anchor down in order to act as a wall and i let you guys decide the building cost but it would fix the insecurity
As a Malay myself i can confirm that we do have an infinite amount of fish. There's fish markets everywhere.
Ey same bro malay gang
Hahahah this game talk about Malay from Indonesia Majapahit Empire
@@kyokusanagi5961 stupid. sumatera and malaya once was an empire
John White no i think he’s right because from the malay story in AOE2 i play it’s talk about srivijaya empire from indonesia island
@@aminuddin-sama7188 In Indonesia there is also a Malay language, which is called Malay, is Majapahit from Indonesia, Malaysia is the kingdom of the Malacca Sultanate which is often studied not Majapahit, in my school I learned about the kingdoms in Indonesia, including Majapahit until its reign to the archipelago
Heavy TaToH Ship, what an honor!
Mendigo Tatoh, para de explotar cosas!
TaToH + SpiritOfTheCommunity
TaToh, what are your thoughts on Saracens?
As a Goth player, I fell in love with the Malay. It's great to have another unique and fun infantry flooding civ. Easily my favorite of the new civs.
Lol I played Goths with a Malay ally some months ago. You could't even see the opponents town on the minimap when we attacked.
@Paul Pincemin That is what I call a "No archers allowed!" match.
Half naked Karambit warrior has 1 pierce armor. Seems legit.
The pants are piercing atack proof, obviously
Have you seen the ripped abs those dudes have? That's more than enough pierce armor according to me :D
Makes sense: their obliques makes an angle that essentially produces ricochet :D
Karambit warriors' biggest enemy is the moisturizer, which will soften their skins.
peiyuan zhang guess where it is;-)
Malay: (exist)
Fish: (Nervously sweating)
Explains why oceans are salty 🧂
Yeah, Malays love fishing... #kakipancing
So Karambit Warriors are basically zerglings. 0.5 population, low hp, low cost, high speed, dual-wield claw-like weapons. If they could be turned into petards that would be your baneling morph right there.
Give Maly a new Castle Age tech which is "Karambit Warriors deal damage when killed".
Not claw, but something that looks like Keris.
The whole civ is the Zerg imho. Elite Battle-eles are just Ultralisks and should be used as such, to back up your swarm.
i had the same thing in mind haha
No wonder I hear "the hive cluster is under attack" when I play them.
Malays: infinite fish from traps
Age of Mythology: infinite fish and farm food
But also farms that cost gold for one civ and gold for almost every tech in the game including lumber-upgrades
conclusion: Malays infiltrated the HQ and stole AoM codes for infinite fish
Sneaky bastards
Soulkun13 "Farms that cos gold for one civ" you mean the kangz n shiet civilization of that game?
@Ian Cabugsa
I mean the civilization that is the strongest in the game and portrays one of the greatest and long lasting empires in the history of man kind. Please dont use this incredibly ignorant meme outside of 4chan
If you think it's supposed to portray the Egyptian empire as anything else then you're misunderstanding the joke
It's funny, I hate mathematics in class, but I'm always game for Spirit laying down the numbers.
You need to make a suggestion to your maths teacher. :p
You're probably good at maths, but your teacher sucks
I'd argue that most people like to see the results, no matter how complicated they can get. However when it comes to doing the work required to get the results is a different matter..
Or laying down the law
You just need a context for why you are doing the stuff in class, I found having real world/relating it to my uni work helped me understand the maths I was doing at uni.
When Rise of the Rajas came out, one of my favourite strategies on Bog Islands was to start dropping Harbors offensively on your opponent. They were cheap and spammable mini-castles and I love them.
Not as viable after the nerf, but I'd still recommend trying it at least once.
That sounds hilarious. Maybe not good, but hilarious.
I tried that! it's great
It was quite viable in the BoA semi-final between TyRanT and Suomi. I believe it was the Donut game that was pretty much won with that strat
Trick is you throw down all them THICC Harbours (I can't stand not spelling it "Harbors") and just spam Fire Ships/Demo Ships and wreck everything they ever control.
Harbours are also amazing for defense. They're 125 wood mini-castles. The trick is, you throw up LOADS of them. As in, at least 50 per Fishing Ship.
The wood-only cost combined with infinite fish traps means you can really spam harbours. I like to play them offensively too- if at least 50% of the available coastline doesn't have a harbour, I consider it vulnerable... :D
I won a 4 hour long 8 player FFA as Malay, lol. At three and a half hours I told him that two-handed swordsman didn't cost me gold. He was pretty mad
Looking back on some of your pre-Rise of the Rajas videos (Teutons, Mongols and Japanese being the big ones), I think it is time to remake them. Some changes have been made in recent patches and in the latest expansion. Three of them being that Teutonic Knights are now a bit faster, Mangudai get their original anti-seige bonus, and the Japanese get Treadmill Crane.
7:00 you lost the opportunity to say e-fish-iency
Ahi see what you did there.
Eye see what you did there.
Germán Mestre I sea what you did there
not a bad pun, cod do better
That's my job :)
I decided to delay my sleep by 21 minutes and 29 seconds. I have no regrets.
You did good
same, got no regret inside of me
Yeah but how well did you do going up to the next day with less resources?
MY DAY HAS BEEN MADE! Thanks for this video man
hes verified but no comments?
SOTL: "Now that's what I call efficiency." Me: "E-FISH-cency"
I think something we sometime forget, is that you can produce fishing ships WHILE producing villagers, when your economy is high enought. That in itself is a pretty good economy boost arround the mid-game since you will have more ressources gatherer than you could with only forums, making the fish trap use even more usefull. Good video again Spirit!
Even now, with the Malay fish traps reduced to 3X the food, they still give a food:wood conversion of 32:1. By comparison, even Teutons with a Chinese ally max out at 16.8 food per 1 wood invested.
I love the Malay, they're probably one of if not my most fav civ, probably because I love the quantity over quality play style
Many land maps have small lakes on them, so this bonus is very strong on landmaps sometimes too.
Malays is indeed best for "quantity over quality". That is something we still practice untill this very day
what do you mean by that?
A lot of luck of having many childrens proverbs
@@Neon-LinesBirth rates go brrr...
During Majapahit era, no such country that was known today as Indonesia or Malaysia. The whole Nusantara area was known at that time as Malay world or Malay archipelago. And today Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia shares many similarities. Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1814 & Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824 creates today's Malaysia & Indonesia.
agree. need to bring back that Malay world. colonizers and politics divided us all.
You...sir...now this is facts
Buku Teks Ajar kami pada Tingkatan 2
it was called dvipantara (sanskirt by indian) and nusantara (old javanese) malay, sundanese, javanese and balinese as an ethnicities did not differ before the fall of sailendra of srivijaya in java
What a wonderful video, M'alaydy. *tips fedora*
Malays wear a special headgear called a "songkok" during festivities or attending functions.
*tips songkok*
I think you are missing the potential of an Anti-Goth Civ here.
For one, the Battle Elephants have Trample and are both extremely thick and powerful in comparison to most units, and for the Malay, even without the armour/health bonuses, the cheapness makes them easier to pump out.
Second, they have infinite food if there is any body of water, and almost every game, including Arabia and Black Forest, always has a pond or so, so a Malay player can always get an infinite amount of food even when wood is lacking.
Third, they get near infinite Two-Handed Swordsmen, that has all of the upgrades even if they are not champions, and when against Goths where they still depend on Gold, Goth's also lack a single armour upgrade.
Four, the Goth Infantry is their main go of being better than most Civs once they reach that point, yet Malay pretty much removes the threat of the three infantry: Huskarls the anti-archers, Halberdiers then anti-calvary, and Champions the bomb. Both the Huskarls and Champions cost gold, and the Malay can easily outspam them with infinite Two-Handed Swordsmen and Pirates that are cheaper than Champions by half and less population.
Throw in some Battle Elephants, and the generic Goth player is eaten up. Not to mention Malay still have better defenses, monks, and archers in comparison to the Goths.
Wait, I thought Battle Elephants don't have trample? Only War Elephants does
Battle Elephants do have trample, but its effect is smaller compared to the War Elephant's.
ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Elephant
Read the first paragraph, end sentence.
They function the same as Trample Damage for War Elephants; Trample Damage deals half the damage that their normal damage does, unlike Cataphracts/Slav Infantry, where it's just 5 Damage.
Thanks for the info, I somehow remembered it wrongly
i think goth champions and halberdiers are still much better in terms of cost-efficiency (since champion cost is only 39f/13g) and you can use more halberdiers to remove their elephants without spending too much resources.
i know sometimes both are good against each other, maybe because of a different situation or maps.
The availability of Heresy might be reflecting about how the Malays are known to be strong with their religion/belief. According to Marmaduke Dodsworth in his research about Christianity and the Malays, The Malays are the hardest of all races to be converted, especially the Malays in the Malay peninsula.
And even now, in Malaysia it is illegal for one of another religion to propagate among the Malays, and the Malays are specifically defined as Muslims in the Federal Constitution.
It's a very interesting addition for them to add, very small detail yet for the Malays, they know about this.
Well, if this _is_ the reason xD
Brendan Boman does wolololo still work against them?
*>tfw your Elite Karambit Warrior got wololo'd by Italians monk in 8 seconds*
This aoe malay version is a prehistoric malay before islam came where actually is supposed to be a combination of majapahit, sriwijaya, and malay combined alltogether
@@tartilasahid8056 they all are literally malay
@@ordinaryone2833 in my country, malay is only an ethnic group consist of less than 5% of indonesia. Majapahit was never a malay state and more of a javanese tribe. Malaysia arbitrarily use malay as anyone who is a muslim in malay. Java (majapahit), sunda (pajajaran) and other kingdom have super different culture and the language very intelligible to malay. So please, malay is not a race but an ethnic group. Id prefer austronesian than being called malay as a race
Seriously guys, THE MALAY ARE AWESOME. I just used them for the first time - they are just crushing!!!! Flood the field with elite Karambit warriors, they are cheap, quite strong and move fast! LOL what power! Similar to the goths
My favourite civ, though I am getting sick of being nerfed every damned patch. The Elite Karambits have been triple nerfed (-1 pierce armour, which really sucks when trying to swarm castles or tcs, and -1 attack twice), and the Harbors were also nerfed (significantly slower fire rate). The fish traps were also originally free, and the age advancement was originally 100% faster. And all that was given as compensation was slightly cheaper shitty elephants with no bloodlines or armour and +1 attack for the non-elite Karambits.
Love those elephant facts!
Elephacts!
Just played x256 mod with Malay. Those infinite fish traps + gill net x5 or x6 results in the best food economy in the game, because there just aren't food gather rate boosts outside of that and the infinite food traps make it practical to do this.
Malay are a lot like Vikings, except with a slower economy, but stronger military lategame.
@@wickivicton9450 what the hell? (I'm indonesian btw)
@@coolnorsee6869 stfu
@@justdoit3928 lol why should i
"heavy tatoh ship"
Yeah, I thought "WHAT?"
I know who tatoh is, but don't get this joke. Something recent?
Someone linked a bunch of clips on the SotL video where he interviewed Tatoh, in which he was using some heavy demolition ships to kill off a bunch of siege while crossing a strait.
EDIT: Here they are:
ua-cam.com/video/rN-C2FmALjg/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/l5Bo-PS85zk/v-deo.html
Tatoh has several times used Demo ships in unorthodox ways - Bababoomin whole marching armies
Not sure if guns also included in AOE2, Malays in Sultanate Malacca also have a very advance cannons, blunderbuss and muskets, and their guns is even shipped to Japan by Portugese, which is the starts of Oda Nobunaga's era.
There's Hand Cannoners at the Archery Range
Malay should've had them, considering how the Nusantara kingdoms were early adopters of gunpowder
Now that I think about it, Malay not having a gunpowder-related bonus is a missed opportunity
A day with a new civ overview is always an excellent day. Thank you, as always it was a great video. And I'm looking forward to playing the Malay campaign now.
Malay.. but you can pronounce it " Melayu " if you want. great country here, lots of keris & kerambit warriors.
Benar bung☺️
Rasa sungguh bangga apabila mereka mengumumkan bahawa DLC ini akan ada Melayu dalam. Hebatnya sejarah kita...
But we lost to a bunch of hand cannoneers. We didn't have any units that counter them. AoE2 being historically accurate.
In my country, Indonesia, we didn't lose because of their weapon superiority, we could steal some of their weaponry or counter them with classic-but-effective weapons such as archery and cavalry, the only factor we lose just because those colonialists bribed some of our fellows to betray their people and work for their benefits, the colonialists made us fight each other
It is actually basically also what happened in the siege in Malacca. According to historians, the Portuguese' greatest ships were not able to defeat the Malaccan navy. And how they defeated us was by finding a traitor in the Malaccan sultanate and destroy it from the inside. As what the old Malay people always say, a grand tree cannot be cut down just by using the head of an axe, but requires a branch from that tree which shall be inserted into the head of the axe as the handle, and only then the tree can fall. A great empire cannot fall, unless if the people inside the empire bring it down.
Hey Spirit, once your done making all the civ overviews you should make an AOE2 overview. I think that would help new players learn just how epic and strategic this game can be.
Amazing vid Spirit. Malay is, probably, my favorite civ of the newest DLC. They're stables are awful, but i love to play with them on water maps or Black Forest if i have some ponds near. The only problem with this civ is that they don't have a strong unit, so always i get them on Michi or long team Black Forest games it's total loss.
Spirit is so thoroughly analytical in his overviews, and is so dang chill whilst doing it, that even if I don't personally play (though I do enjoy watching) AoE 2, he indirectly gives me the motivation to analyze and contribute to the Wikis of my own favorite strategy games.
Thanks so much Spirit! - You're an incredible inspiration, and an ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° *S-tier* role model!
12:30am, about to go to sleep, early morning classes tomorrow, and spirit uploads a 21 minute video. classes aren't that big a deal right?
No need to worry about my username Asia?
Tomorrow is monday mean time for work at the morning I think I should sleep early. See SoTL upload Malay overview.
Meh screw sleep, sleep is only for weaklings...
Dubsy 102 yep. Japan
Most western countries are free on sunday and also tomorrow cuz of christians. I guess they are good for something after all ;)
BIG MENTION: (malay is my favorite civ - fishships my favorite unit) you can place usually 9 fish traps around a dock right next to it. it works. and it has instant drop off. i didnt do the numbers but its better than 29 f/min i think after gillnets. Though!!! there is a bug problem. there is usualy one of the ships which bug out and must be retasked (it stops when having 4 food. allso it can bug out if you build 2 fishtraps side by side. even worse with 3. i usually build 1 on each side wait for them to finish up then i build again. else you risk the old boat blocking the building. But its manageble. but yes you can build docks with 2 tiles between and fill up a littel pond with many fishing ships. Usually i get 40+ fishships on bf - especially on teamgames if there is a medium pond. there is higher chance for that in teamgames. with more than that i find it a bit hard to manage the bugs but i think i have tried 60 some times. my advice is: dock as usual. (allso if you have to walk vill far - guard with scout if not on easiest mode. then keed creating fish boats. i think you should wait making 2. dock you need for space. to keep castle time good and gain acces to gillnets. - a musthave. after you click castle focus on geting the fish ships out to manage the bugs before you need to micro elsewhere. On open maps i havent tested a lot. maybe dont build them close because of bug. build 9 still but with 1 tile between. it makes far lesser bugs, but less good. and ofc get the harbor upgrade. on nomad the fishtrap bonus is very good because you can justify making tons of fishships because its ok to go fishtraps afterwards
could you maybe do some testing about how to get the least buggy way to make the fishtraps in addition to effficiency? - btw you can max get gillnets 4 times in 9x/256x tech mode. after that it starts bug out for real. actually making some really wierd bugs. Allso dont do wheelburrow more than i think it was 23 times, then your vills cant really build proberly
I really like the Special Malay build order when the Starting TC is close to water.
You can build so many docks and outpace the others by a large gap to fast imperial at 20:00.
In case you have teammates to protect you because you still need to research 13 techs to fully train
trash double handed swordsmen. Perfect!
Spam those swordsmen as long as your opponent isn't using any Mongol like super Cav Archers or quick Mayan Archers.
You can counter them with another trash - the Elite Skirmishers.
Brilliant, I tried this on 1v1 and got killed when hitting castle age... Hate feudal rushes T_T
Hey I'm gonna be real, I've played this game for years now as a casual player, and I've never been good at it, but like, watching your videos so much and getting back into the game, I'm actually steadily improving my performance thanks to your videos, so I just wanna say thank you for that! I used to play my favourite civ (Malay) so ineffectively but now I'm actually learning to really take advantage of the civ's strengths
And also thanks to you I actually started using onagers. For a long time I've had reservations about the onager because of high cost and friendly fire damage, but after hearing you praise the onager so much, I actually try them out, pairing them with the Malay trash infantry, and holy crap am I happy I decided to give the onager another try. I can definitely say now that they're my favourite part of any army because of how strong they are against literally any unit, even ships, So yeah, thanks for being a huge inspiration to keep playing!
I'd say the fish trap bonus is most overpowered on maps with small lakes, so they can't be raided by ships.
In most cases those things are so small that you can just kill them with archers or onagers instead. Also, they're randomly distributed around the map, so typically not in any safe area. Still, a bonus is a bonus - every bit helps.
Mendicant Bias yeah theyre weak, but taking away the pressure from ships at least means you only need to defend it from land rather than both water and land
Hey Spirit, nice overview right there! Always nice to see a new Video of yours!
I dont know how much you looked into the Karambits, but i think didnt really clear up HOW good they are at least in Imperial. There is almost no unit in the whole game to counter the karambit spam, they even trade cost-efficient vs Paladins
17:51 TaToH would be pleased.
He is; he recently commented on this video.
why is heavy tatoh ship?
Because TaToH (a very skilled player who has a likeness for unorthodox strategies and moves; once featured by spirit on his channel) is very fond of using them.
Satyaki Sil He is
which video?
Great video and I'd like to add:
Quick training time for the karambit warrior really helps in early castle age game while raiding and stppping the enemy's boom
efishency
HAHAHAHAHA
Fuck you
The other think that needs to be noted is that cheaper battle elephants combined with Forced Levy Two Handed Swordsmen are very scary in large quantities and very hard to counter cost effectively with anything less than a wall of heavy cavalry or seige units.
Yet another quality analysis! Love it! :D
Great... So much of greatness... Thank You Spirit of The Law... I will watch it later...
I really wish to know which history of Malay they actually took from...
YES SPIRIT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG I LOVE THE MALAY
SotL your intro alone was the sole thing that made me catch up to this awesome game after idk how many years. Thanks for eevrything.
Karambit Warrior = Tawuran Army
Just like most of Indonesian in the reality
Quantity over quality! Yas! That's how our society works!1!1!1!1!
Only costs half of the population...
No need for Keluarga Berencana program.
Unique tech: Tahan Bacok (Ifantry have +2/2 armour)
Lol🤣😂🤣😂
Why I think Indonesian, Brunei, n whatever at there(asian) are malay...but just in different etnick like Javanese and more...😕
Hey Spirit! Great video as always. A suggestion - How about including like a 30 second prologue in each civ overview video about their history/interesting facts etc..
Is it actual 80% faster or "We're AoE and we don't know how rates work" 80% faster?
I would say the latter...
2:10 mins for the Feudal upgrade are 130 secs. 130/1.8 = 72. But it takes 78 sec for Malay. 130/78 = 1.67. So it's 1.67 or 67% faster progression.
Same for Castle und Imperial Upgrade:
160/1.67 = 96
160/1.67 = 114
Corvo that's actually the opposite of what I expected, normally when it displays in increase in rate it gives a much larger increase (such as the Japanese attack rate) so I was expecting something like an actual 400% faster (aka 80% decrease in time) so that's really surprising and makes me wonder what they got wrong this time
Yes, it'S really confusing. I didn't find a way to get 1.8 or 0.8 or something with a calculation that is just a little bit different. I guess they just copied the wrong number or changed it later and forgot to update the info page.
It’s supposed to be the former. I’ve never heard anything about it being an incorrect number, except for literally just what this guy in this thread said.
It's supposed to be 80%? How do you know? I think it's possible that they started with 80% and nerved it later in the code because they thought it was too overpowered but forgot to change the text.
Hey Spirit, how do the Malay compare to the Goths? I love both civs, but Goths was my first love, and I’m afraid that the Malay are flat-out better due to a better economy, a more flexible tech tree, more unit options, better water abilities, and roughly equal and in some circumstances superior horde infantry (even against archers, based on your Karambit Warrior analysis).
4:13 I'm seeing things, or that scout just used instant transmission.
If you did remake your top 5 infantry civs video, where would the Malay fit in? Would you put them in the honorable mentions spot, or do you think they're in the top 5?
It always struck me as odd that the only civ that's regarded as a Naval civ and nothing else, has no combat navy bonuses (aside from Harbors).
Hang on, I thought you could garrison Fishing Ships (and other ships) in docks? Does that not work, or is it only for newly created units you've tasked to start in there?
Drew Armstrong, The Glorious Lobster Emperor Yes it is only for units that you just created, after they leave the dock, they can't go back in
The zerglings of AOE2.
Cloudtsalker Hydra I said that!!
Hey Spirit
I know it's an old video so you probably won't see thise... but feel free to amaze me.
I don't understand the math about the malay bonus of "advancing to ages +80% faster", I know the amount of time it takes them to advance is 60% of the normal time it would take.
I am no mathematician but I tried to approache it as an equation of motion since the malay TC should work +80% faster when advancing through ages, and I found that for it to be +80% faster they need to advance in 55.5% of the normal time.
Can you please explain the math about thise bonus, maybe in a future video?
Im a Malay myself i never heard of karambit warrior in our history.
We have kriss warrior and our unique ship is Jong ship.
Karambit warrior is in srivijaya history and after majapahit took over sumatra, and also when srivijaya still ruled malacca strait, they spread the karambit, that's the reason there's karambit in thailand, malaysia, singapore (temasek) even philippines
While in java, especially ancient java, they produced one of the unique knive, kris, which is spreading across nusantara, it goes to thailand (southern), philippines, malaysia, singapore, brunei, and is in fact being used by sultanate of aceh, demak sultanate, and sultanate of makassar (although still in debate in makassar because the evidence is little)
@@adinnaikhwani6255 ancient java u mean their ancient malay brethren?
@@niessin1483 yeah, more specificly srivijaya and majapahit
Kerambit use by woman
@@niessin1483 this archipelago has only 2 empires in its pre modern history out of hundreds of kingdoms. The first was Srivijaya with Malay culture based in sumatera Island. The second was Majapahit with Javanese culture based on java island. Just like in other parts of the world, while they are compete in superiority aspect in the region, they also intermarried and create a strong bonds and connection throughout and share along their history
Oh my god! I just posted a comment on an old video about food. Did you see that before making this review? 😍😍😍😍 Thank you a lot Spirit Of The Law! I love you 😘😘😘😘
"You convert my fish trap, I convert it back"
You didn't mention that farms require a villager, which takes town center work time, as opposed to a fishing ship, which doesn't.
The Return of the Elephant Facts! Wooo! Oh, and the review was good too I guess.
the unique unit is amazingly good when you just mass like crazy even though 90%will die within minutes of crushing a few buildings and wreaking chaos you already able to have twice th enumber as you move on
Hmm.. The Karambit Warrior basically like Zerglings from StarCraft. Relatively cheap? Yep. Fast to mass? Yep. 0.5 supply cost? Yep. Relatively inefficient in low numbers and potentially devastating in high numbers? Yep.
I like them. A lot.
9:00 - yes and no actually.
The cheaper cost is in that regard a better value than the stats that are traded in. Given that a heavy war will end in attrition sooner rather than later, especially in a 1v1, the cheaper elephants make it surprisingly easy to hit population limit with a sizeable BE count. Doing something similar with the other RotR factions can be done, but will lead to a _much_ smaller window of opportunity, as you will burn through whatever resources you might have had quicker, leaving you open for a counter push that you will most definitely not last through. BEs are a power unit, but there is a theoretical upper ceiling at which point a couple more HP and pierce armor are just not as important as having a bigger mass of these power units in the first place.
Long story short, this I reckon is one of the few moments where a heavy discount on a select unit will help in the late game due to their already high cost and thus implied limited availability.
9:36 who else laughed at the karambit warrior fighting the lion
Maybe you considered it and wasn't significant but your infinite fish traps need a lot of fishing ships (wood), will it affect the wood to food ratio significantly more than farms?
9:55 I did not expect that spanish -inquisition- villager
Fish traps being infinite means you save a lot on wood, you can invest some into building more docks, which means better fishing efficiency and considerably better protection. Coupled with the no-gold swordsmen, this civ really is interesting.
Karambit Warrior reflect Indonesian people when rioting
Huge quantity but lack of quality
Dasar Wkwkland +62 People, tapi aku tetap zheyeng
Well, itu karena orang Kalimantan masih termasuk Melayu
+62 siapa njir
@@muhammadajibakriaji3753 himself!
@@ax8621 bukan gue indonesia
You can clearly see someone had a very strong idea for how they wanted this civ to play. And it's dam unique for it.
Who else just liked the video before even watching just because of SOTL
Hey Spirit, did you find the advertisments of "war and order" (the mobile game) on youtube using your video footage? And are you able to do something against this obviously illegal copyright offense?
4:13 scout appears from nowhere
Dont worry, It s a scout who is badly placed or lag. but they always have 5. Not a deus scout. ;)
Oh I can see the Indonesia map with its isolated water patch at the bottom of the map, protected from all sides, you can put a metric ass ton of fish traps in there and be eternally provisionned with food no problem.
Of course you had to bring back the elephant facts! :)
Ethan Courtney Elefacts!
@spirit of the law Did you consider revisting some ov the older overview vids? some are 3 years old and some changes have been made.
Play malay, run around the map destroying all the forests. Swarm the map with food units.
evil
I know this a numbers channel but you have to keep in mind the psychological effect of advancing faster. Seeing that a civ has advanced can have a profound effect on opponent behavior and advancing artificially early even it you can't do much right away will often result in them making some unforced errors.
I'd like to see a Malay vs. Goths video soon please!
Hey Spirit i love you videos, but i have a math question about the malays, you can mantain production of karambits with only relics and farms and no gold from other sources ?
This game talk about Malay in Indonesia but in Jawa style. Its Majapahit Empire and Srivijaya Empire. It's before Malacca Empire
A new SotL video always brightens my day.
I think one civ they would be somewhat weak against would the Koreans on water maps. Their turtle ships are ideal for taking out fish nets and fishing ships since those are immobile. Their very high hp makes it that even if you have ships defending they still can do a lot of damage before you can take them all out.
Also against the powerful units and defenses of the Koreans the weak units of the Malay will struggle as they bump into each other.
Hey Spirit, are you planning on doing a new review of all civs on the definitive edition?😍
Greetings from the Netherlands and from one of your biggest fans!
My expansions all time best civ
UNLIMITED FOOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
one of my fav civ.... fast, quick, and will always have more army than your opponent...
the only civ where t might actually be a good idea to build a dock in a puddle
Japanese too, with their higher collection rate, and better food/wood ratio than Farms on account of them missing Crop Rotation.
Though, it's *that* much more OP with Malay for obvious reasons :p
Honestly SOTL you sound like a such a cool and chill guys in real life. Keep up the good work, love your vids :D.
It's confirmed that karambit warriors are actually the previous lives of the Russian skirmishers in AOE3.
Yes, been waiting for this civ ever since I binged all of your existing civ vids!
missing Heavy TaToH Ship :(
:( 11
I am trying to do some custom maps with a bunch of eater eggs while changing up some of Gias units, but I keep running into glitches. Every time I change the name of a unit the game shuts down. I'm doing what other tutorials are telling me to do but a few of my screen shots look different from theres. For one I have no idea what a string table is and why it doesn't show up on other tutorials. Could you do a review of the map editor with some unit modifications and some triggers? Maybne some name changes.
Which of these are the best archer (cavalry archers also) unique units :
Mangudai
Longbowmen
Plummed archers
Conquistadors
Chu ko nu
Mangudai. Actually Mangudai is the best unit of the game.
Mangudai and plummed archers are very strong units
I would say Plumed Archers.
Satyaki Sil no, like sotl said
They are plummed archers
Bled Ferox O🅱 🅱lummed Archers.
Hey, I just started watching your videos, and I have a very dumb question. At about 2 minutes into the video, you have what looks to be some kind of ox unit? Is that a shepherded unit? A mod?
In the Rise of the Rajas expansion they replace sheep on certain maps like water nomad. They're basically the same as sheep, but have more food.
Hm...How about a Burmese Civ Overview?
Patience, man. There are only 2 civs left so he'll make it soon enough.
Satyaki Sil So...There are only Burmese and Vietnamese remaining
yes.
1.op
2.op
3.op
I think that is enough. 7
LinearStep I agree that the Burmese are ridiculously op.
what malay needs is floating wood water walls would not be able to build them in sea so its not over powered and the wall would actually be a unit built at the dock which costs 0.1 pop about the lenght of two docks side by side and has the hp of 2 wood walls but need to anchor down in order to act as a wall and i let you guys decide the building cost but it would fix the insecurity