To my knowledge, this is the only scene in the original trilogy that Mark hated. The creature wasn't evil. Just hungry. But Luke also wasn't evil. He was just frightened for his life and really didn't have time to weigh his options. It's just nature.
Yeah, and killing rancor in episode 6 was bad for Hammil... Or not? This is so funny to listen Mark's interviews about "good" Luke in Empire Strikes Back, but nothing about episode 6.
@@paulmartin6209 shot in the future, they could only build part of the Wampa in 1980 and even when they built it if would fall apart, so they mostly kept the arm while the body for just one shot
The updated version isn't that bad. Normally I'm not a fan of showing the monster but considering the scene, it does make the wampa look pretty scary, considering that its mouth is dripping in blood. The only thing I would really change is the wampa with the missing arm. It kind of looked a little goofy. Like a muppet losing an arm(which it kind of was but still).
I never understood why some people don't like the "show the monster" in films, it's so dull and it just leaves viewers more curious and intrigued. I would have loved for example to see the shark more times in Jaws than what we saw
Even in the edited versions, they don't fix the scene where the lightsaber retracting sound happens but the saber stays on. They could've taken the sound out, or edited it to where the lightsaber actually turned off.
Bailey Nelson ❤Someone did a retraction of the Lightsaber blade deactivating. It's by the British artist by the name of Adywan Revisited. Adywan Revisited is a original Star Wars trilogy Fan made film and it's so cool! ;D❤
The sound effect was moved to earlier in the special edition, presumably by accident as a result of adding in the new Wampa footage. Originally it happens at the very end of the shot
I don't like most of the special edition changes but i think this scene works better in special edition, showing us the danger that is coming for Luke.
As an addition, it’s pretty harmless, though on principle I’m negative on all the additions to the classic trilogy. Or at least that the untouched originals aren’t available alongside the special editions.
in retrospect tho in the special edition it makes it seem like the wampa heard luke and thats why its coming, where as in the original its just assumed its finall come to eat luke after roaring into the tundra mysteriously, that subtle change in aggression and intent makes the scene a bit more frightening
Yeah I guess you're right. But I feel like since there's not clear indicator of the exact distance between the 2 of them there's still some kind of suspense
I disagree. I think that the Wampa shouldn't have been a suspense, since we already saw it in the previous scene. Also, when the wampa isn't fully shown it doesn't give me chills, since we don't know where it is. With the Wampa fully shown, it really feels like she's right there, so the moment becomes far more nervous.
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
The blue comes from 2004 DVD. The 1997 Special Edition had already some blue because it had bad color correction. In 2004, they messed up the color correction for the DVD and the blue hue is a color error from 2004 DVD and as the Blu-ray uses the 2004 DVD Release, the blue stays. Unlike the GOUT DVD which is from 1993 LaserDisc. Disney+ fixed the colors.
I don't understand why people get mad about the color temperature change in subsequent editions. Lowering the color temp emphasizes the atmosphere of the scene, it visually conveys the coldness in a way a neutral color temperature cannot. For example, look at the Grindhouse print, the colors may be changed due to faulty preservation and color fading, but it almost has a warm temperature to me, emphasizing the yellow tones in the shot which is a little emersion breaking imo
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
but even harmy's despecialize edition's color temperature is incredibly cold, when the entire point of that existing is to recreate the original theatrical look
The problem is that’s not how it looked when it was filmed and originally exhibited. Or at least I think that is the case. The 2006 DVDs weren’t perfect and not much effort went into restoring/remastering (they’re straight up ports from the 1990s laserdiscs) but I would imagine they’re at least close to the color timing of the originals? The whole revisionist color grading to a more modern steely blue is a really shitty trend that’s been pushed not just by the studios but also by directors who should know better (James Cameron, Michael Mann, to name two).
I actually prefer the special edition version, as it increases the tension of the scene to know that the Wampa is directly walking towards Luke, ready to kill him unless he recovers his lightsaber in time, as opposed to in the original where the Wampa is not looking directly at him, and there only being the off-chance that Luke might make too much noise and draw attention to himself. I honestly don't mind the special editions at all on their own, but people should have the option to watch either the special editions or the original unaltered versions in equal resolution, as the original versions are part of cinema history. Then, it would simply become a matter of personal preference. As for Empire Strikes Back, I actually find myself quite liking all of the changes aside from Boba Fett's voice change, though I prefer the unaltered versions for ANH and ROTJ.
Hmmm, I think this is one of those Special Edition changes where I could take it or leave it. I could either watch it with the Wampa creature eating its dinner and then reacting to Luke cutting its arm off or without.
same here, but the one wampa shot i felt that was unquestionably awesome and should have been mainstay was when it howls in pain after Luke slashed its arm off
@@keyboardwarrior327 I'd say that's the only bad addition into the special addition, the rest i liked or didn't even notice. And jeez some people are just so autistic, sometimes getting extremely mad over 2 seconds of a scene being edited.
@@airstrike9002 It's irritating though, especially since there's no possible way to legally buy the original versions of the films in HD or 4K. If people could buy any version they wanted on DVD or Blu-ray there wouldn't be any controversy. For some reason George Lucas didn't want people to be able to do that, and I wouldn't be surprised if he put a clause in the contract when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney saying that the original versions can never be released.
I'm about 50/50 with the changes. ESB has the best changes in my opinions, the addition to windows on Bespin makes the atmosphere there way better. It makes Bespin seem like an actual city, rather than a collection of hallways.
@@airstrike9002 It´s not about 2 seconds. It´s about the whole movie changing more and more and not allowing us to buy the original version as an alternative.
@@StarWarsComparison They originally DID film those parts, but the Wampa suit they had looked so terrible that they cut the parts showing it and decided to keep it offscreen for most of the time.
Shot in the nineties for the Special Edition. Also the scene in ROTJ where we see Oola land in the Rancor's den was also shot for the special edition, with the same actress reprising her role.
@@captchaossega Boba Fett was also added into the Jabba and Han scene in ANH, which originally had Jabba as an actor in a furry cloak rather than a space slug. I think that those, along with this scene, the redone Palpatine dialogue with Ian McDiarmid, and Hayden Christensen's cameo were all of the non-CGI additions that actually required pick-ups to complete. EDIT: I forgot about the victory celebration - not all of it was CGI and there's specifically a few extra shots of the Ewoks celebrating, along with Admiral Ackbar dancing around a campfire.
In the original, they don't show it even at the last moment, which makes it a little confusing what happened. They could have the best of both if the scene just included the reaction shot of the now one-armed wampa.
GOUT: *Perfect if a bit murky* 2011: *Looks clean with additions done right.* DE V2.0: *Same minus the additions* GrindHouse: *insert color-grading* Edit: happy 40th anniversary everbody and thank you for making such an extraordinary peice of art Ivan Kushner.
This is great. They should have used more practical effects in all of the Special Editions. I also liked the windows in Cloud City, and the replacement of the original Emperor with Ian Mcdiarmid (Except I would have kept the original dialogue). The Special Editions for the other movies contain pointless stuff like Greedo shooting first, Jabba meeting Han, Jedi Rocks, etc. I would have cut a lot of it, including the scene where Leia meets Wicket, and use these resources to make a practical Gorax, or some other creature in Endor, that explains why the Ewoks can hold their own against the Empire.
Video below shows some of Endor's creatures, from Caravan of Courage. ROTJ could have used some of that world-building. ua-cam.com/video/ZwuZKYr48ow/v-deo.html
I know that many humans say: "Less is more", but for me, seeing a creepy-toothy-clawy-crawly approaching you is no less scary. Maybe it's a different kind of fear (a visible impending doom vs an unseen creature of unknown properties that may not even be dangerous, yet it's still frightening, because you don't know), but it works all the same: either you know how to counter it, thus, don't care, or you don't, and then you are screwed.
This is actually one of the few changes I don't mind that much. Nothing like Jabba's Palace Shit show, adding Jabba to Episode 4 or Han shooting Greido.
The shot in the special edition where like cuts himself down, George added the wampas arm. This was a good shot if you add it to the original hidden walls footage. Maybe even add the wampa screaming in pain
Maybe Lucas thought there was a continuity error at the time he first did the Special Edition. We never see or hear the saber retract in the original version between the shots of Luke escaping the Wampa cave and then coming out in the snow. So Lucas probably added the retract sound so the saber can be heard retracting (even though it's still fully ignited) before Luke comes out in the snow.
Why is the despecialized still pretty blue tinted compared to the Gout or TN1? I thought it wasn't supposed to be that blue. Have you thought of doing a video like this with the 1997 special edition or Japanese special collection laserdisc to compare color timing?
You would have to ask Harmy, but this is v2.0, so at the time I'm sure he believed the colors were relatively accurate(that's not to say I'm in the position that they aren't, though).
By the way the *JapaneseSpecialCollectionLaserdisc* is debated to have colors than the 1993 *DefinitiveEditionLaserDisc*/*GOUT*, but the 1993 THX Master witch was used for the GOUT and 1993 has less dirt.
@@jetuber Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
I do like more wampa but I also feel like they could’ve cut away two times while it was eating, first it just eating the tauntaun and then it getting up to notice luke, the rest can stay in.
Really you like when he just eat and looks like stupid ? The original was more "creepy" y'know, we see the wampa a little but we see he is coming to eat Luke and that's why the original scene has more creepy suspense. The 2011 scene well , the Wampa looks stupid and that's not creepy at all, that's just a little embarrassing and when he walk to Luke, the suspense is literally gone. But that's my opinion.
As most know, Lucas claims the special editions were how he originally “envisioned” the films being if he had the money and time to add more. If anything, this shows it actually kills the immersion of the film as it takes away the suspense and horror of what terrible monster has caught Luke. If anything, all he needed to add was the last shot of the wampa missing it’s arm to show it’s defeat and lack of intimidation after Luke bested it.
As most know, when Lucas is left alone making films, the result is not great, as shown by prequels. The point that he sold the franchise to people even more incompetent is irrelevant
This is one scene where I actually could buy into Lucas’s bullshit about ‘as originally intended’, as they scrapped most of the Wampa stuff due to issues with the performance and the suit. Mind you, I have no idea if this particular added shot was actually in the original script or storyboarding.
That’s what cracks me up about the ‘as I originally intended it’ bullshit. Not only has he revised Han-Greedo and other scenes multiple times, he’s also reverted at least one change back to the original (Luke screaming as he falls in ESB) due to the fans shitting on it.
I saw someone say that this scene was scarier without seeing more of the wampa, but I'd argue the opposite. From Luke's perspective, at least, he's watching this massive hulking beast eating the remains of his faithful tonton with the full knowledge of the fact that failing to escape means he'll be next. The audience misses part of that tension and pressure without seeing what Luke sees.
I don't care what anyone says. The 2011 changes to the Wompa scene are superior in every way. Far more suspenseful when you know what's actually there.
Where can I get Harmy's Despecialized Edition? I used to have the original on VHS and when I got the blu ray version things had been changed and I absolutely hate it. If anyone can tell me how to get The Despecialized Edition I would be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance!!! :D
This was one of the special edition additions I didn't mind. They did a really good job with the effects and it looks practical. Jabba's Palace and the stupid song is where they really botched it lol. And the dumb critters burping on Tatooine all the time. George got out of control with that one.
How does Lucas consciously change scenes such as this one while going to the trouble of cgi/special effects, and STILL gets details wrong? Showing more of the mysterious and ferocious Wampa was a good change yes, but when Luke cuts off the beast's arm at 1:33, half of the arm, if that, is on the ground and effectively cut off, yet immediately after that in the special edition, we see a gaping shoulder deep wound in the Wampa? It's one thing to put that in the original movie and go OOPS we goofed, but it's another thing entirely to redo the scene, analyze it who knows how many times, and screw it up.
Tyler Crane it’s George Lucas. He’ll manage to screw stuff up. Especially when it comes to continuity. How the hell do you change stuff in a movie so much yet still can’t keep things consistent? I mean I know it’s six movies but come on. It can’t be that hard
Hi xenomorph. Do you know why was alien scary? Because it didn't show too much. The best horror movies, video games etc... build tension around the fear of the unknown.
@@shannonlachaise3050 Except, there needs to be a payoff. You need to see the monster eventually for the full effect to work. Otherwise, people will think you're just hiding the monster because you have no monster.
Nice Channel Concept, I'm an O.G. but I like the Special Edition Wampa, very hulking creature they assembled. I heard the original suit was not film-able FAKE.
I think they should make an edition the way mark Hamill was told, wanted, and knew it should be like, where he didn't cut off the wampas arm but just uses the beam to scare it away. It's the way Mark Hamill wants it.
The movies aren't his visions. He has no say in the final product of the movies, the directors and producers do. Obviously George Lucas didn't listen to Hamill.
I disagree. I feel no tension because I have no idea what the creature actually looks like or what fate actually awaits Luke if he can't escape. This isn't like a horror movie where you can build the tension of the creature in various scenes by not showing him, it's one scene that isn't long enough to pull that off. Showing the Wompa and just how intimidating it actually looks adds far more to the scene if you ask me.
what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain. The blue is so unnatural so there must be a reason I don't understand. Is is easier on the viewer's eyes? I am hoping a film student can explain to me.
This scene is one reason I hate the sequel trilogy so much. Luke at this point had been training to be a Jedi for several years, but he had to stop and really focus to pull the lightsaber to himself. Rey, on the other hand, can pull the lightsaber to herself, against Kylo Ren as he's also trying to pull it, literally hours (at the most a day or two) after learning the force exists, with no training whatsoever.
one source claimed that the special edition wampa scene appeared as early as the 70mm version of the empire strikes back in 1980 but i don't really believe that
@@JohnJohn-do2oj yeah I'm aware, but I did read somewhere that it appeared on the 1980 70mm version, but of course, I don't believe it's true due to the special edition documentary showing that it was made for the special edition. Yes I know there isn't really a preservation for the 70mm version but I believe some of the stuff in the thing I read was made up.
Why did not they show in the Special Edition, how Luke get sticked to the ice ceiling of the cave by the Wampa? I think he is knows that the temperature falls down at night rapidly on Hoth (it is even could as hell during the daylight time)! Luke could have killed the Wampa with some strikes of his light saber, but instead he runs out of the cave! Why does he not stayed in the cave for the night, instead of get frozen almost to death? Ok he was the lucking one to got found by Han Solo and he sliced off the stomach of the dead taun taun, put him inside to warm him up ;-)!
I always thought showing the Wampa with its arm off felt out of place. They did best with what they had when they made ESB without the full Wampa on display.
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
Too bad the Wampa massacred his steed and was fixing to gut Luke like a fish. But sure, save the Wampa, not like the galaxy needed Luke or anything....
Almost every change in The Empire Strikes Back from the 2011 edition is good except this, but it's passable. Some parts of it I would keep, like 1:29 and 1:34
The blue comes from 2004 DVD. The 1997 Special Edition had already some blue because it had bad color correction. In 2004, they messed up the color correction for the DVD and the blue hue is a color error from 2004 DVD and as the Blu-ray uses the 2004 DVD Release, the blue stays. Unlike the GOUT DVD which is from 1993 LaserDisc. Disney+ fixed the colors.
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To my knowledge, this is the only scene in the original trilogy that Mark hated. The creature wasn't evil. Just hungry. But Luke also wasn't evil. He was just frightened for his life and really didn't have time to weigh his options. It's just nature.
Well, if people's arguments against the Last Jedi are anything to go by, that means we all have to hate this scene too, right?
...Right?
Yeah, and killing rancor in episode 6 was bad for Hammil... Or not? This is so funny to listen Mark's interviews about "good" Luke in Empire Strikes Back, but nothing about episode 6.
They can say luke intended to scare but wampa arm got in the way
@@silverstrike5904 Luke fired a warning shot, into his brain.
@@transformersrevenge9 you mean a warning swing
It amazes me how seamless the Wampa additions were here. Like, talk about a special edition! The practical environment and effects just fit right in.
Was the 2011 scene shot in the future, or was it scenes that were cut and eventually added?
@@paulmartin6209 shot in the future, they could only build part of the Wampa in 1980 and even when they built it if would fall apart, so they mostly kept the arm while the body for just one shot
@@paulmartin6209 I believe the new shots of the Wampa in the 2011 version were shot in 1997 as well
@@wachinimagaming4898actually, it is
The updated version isn't that bad. Normally I'm not a fan of showing the monster but considering the scene, it does make the wampa look pretty scary, considering that its mouth is dripping in blood. The only thing I would really change is the wampa with the missing arm. It kind of looked a little goofy. Like a muppet losing an arm(which it kind of was but still).
Back then it would've been a puppet, Yoda was a puppet during his scenes
It looks awesome.
I never understood why some people don't like the "show the monster" in films, it's so dull and it just leaves viewers more curious and intrigued. I would have loved for example to see the shark more times in Jaws than what we saw
@@logans.butler285 They repeat what others say without actually thinking about it for themselves.
Even in the edited versions, they don't fix the scene where the lightsaber retracting sound happens but the saber stays on. They could've taken the sound out, or edited it to where the lightsaber actually turned off.
Bailey Nelson ❤Someone did a retraction of the Lightsaber blade deactivating. It's by the British artist by the name of Adywan Revisited. Adywan Revisited is a original Star Wars trilogy Fan made film and it's so cool! ;D❤
they ddidn´t use the special editions to make useful edits. They only add bullshit
The sound effect was moved to earlier in the special edition, presumably by accident as a result of adding in the new Wampa footage. Originally it happens at the very end of the shot
I want to see more wampas in Star Wars.
Ya got me thinking of something. Now i want to make a Fan-Film with wampas in it. (I'm not trying to be mean by the way. I'm being real.)
The Nerd Crusader are they predator creatures? I’m just curious
Me too.
Frightening Monsters yes.
@@beeswithchainsaws As long as they don't have an annoying that keeps saying "Wampa" like it's a Pokémon.
I don't like most of the special edition changes but i think this scene works better in special edition, showing us the danger that is coming for Luke.
As an addition, it’s pretty harmless, though on principle I’m negative on all the additions to the classic trilogy. Or at least that the untouched originals aren’t available alongside the special editions.
@@peterp2153Additions are fine as long as the originals are available also.
in retrospect tho in the special edition it makes it seem like the wampa heard luke and thats why its coming, where as in the original its just assumed its finall come to eat luke after roaring into the tundra mysteriously, that subtle change in aggression and intent makes the scene a bit more frightening
It also chains up the "disarming" motif of these films
Hoth: Planet of the yellow snow according to the Grindhouse edition
It looks awful.
It's the best edition. Without Blue coloring. Like the Kino version
@@jetuber right? And people say they like the old version better.
I hate the blue they added
wampa needs to piss...
one of the few changes that are actually good. more wampa is better
No, it's not. The added wampa stuff is terrible. It takes away the suspense and it looks fake as hell.
The only extra wampa stuff that passes is the one extra shot from behind when Luke is cutting himself free.
Yeah I guess you're right. But I feel like since there's not clear indicator of the exact distance between the 2 of them there's still some kind of suspense
This scene barely made sense to me as a kid. The inserted wampa shots added both clarity and tension.
I disagree. I think that the Wampa shouldn't have been a suspense, since we already saw it in the previous scene. Also, when the wampa isn't fully shown it doesn't give me chills, since we don't know where it is. With the Wampa fully shown, it really feels like she's right there, so the moment becomes far more nervous.
It’s like taking a video on an iphone while selecting a color filter
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
The blue comes from 2004 DVD. The 1997 Special Edition had already some blue because it had bad color correction. In 2004, they messed up the color correction for the DVD and the blue hue is a color error from 2004 DVD and as the Blu-ray uses the 2004 DVD Release, the blue stays. Unlike the GOUT DVD which is from 1993 LaserDisc. Disney+ fixed the colors.
Pretty sure Mark Hamill hates this scene regardless of what version it is
lol
Why though
@@engagementengagement8836 he said on an interview he felt sorry for the wampa, like his character cut the arm of a bear.
@@jonsaltberry8167 it was self defense it was going to kill him.
Why? Did they bugger off to have a coffee break at one point and left Mark hanging upside down when they were filming this scene?
I don't understand why people get mad about the color temperature change in subsequent editions. Lowering the color temp emphasizes the atmosphere of the scene, it visually conveys the coldness in a way a neutral color temperature cannot. For example, look at the Grindhouse print, the colors may be changed due to faulty preservation and color fading, but it almost has a warm temperature to me, emphasizing the yellow tones in the shot which is a little emersion breaking imo
big boss bob ross the outside shots for Grindhouse version looks like a dust storm
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
but even harmy's despecialize edition's color temperature is incredibly cold, when the entire point of that existing is to recreate the original theatrical look
The problem is that’s not how it looked when it was filmed and originally exhibited. Or at least I think that is the case. The 2006 DVDs weren’t perfect and not much effort went into restoring/remastering (they’re straight up ports from the 1990s laserdiscs) but I would imagine they’re at least close to the color timing of the originals?
The whole revisionist color grading to a more modern steely blue is a really shitty trend that’s been pushed not just by the studios but also by directors who should know better (James Cameron, Michael Mann, to name two).
I actually prefer the special edition version, as it increases the tension of the scene to know that the Wampa is directly walking towards Luke, ready to kill him unless he recovers his lightsaber in time, as opposed to in the original where the Wampa is not looking directly at him, and there only being the off-chance that Luke might make too much noise and draw attention to himself.
I honestly don't mind the special editions at all on their own, but people should have the option to watch either the special editions or the original unaltered versions in equal resolution, as the original versions are part of cinema history. Then, it would simply become a matter of personal preference. As for Empire Strikes Back, I actually find myself quite liking all of the changes aside from Boba Fett's voice change, though I prefer the unaltered versions for ANH and ROTJ.
Hmmm, I think this is one of those Special Edition changes where I could take it or leave it. I could either watch it with the Wampa creature eating its dinner and then reacting to Luke cutting its arm off or without.
Andrew Chapman same
same here, but the one wampa shot i felt that was unquestionably awesome and should have been mainstay was when it howls in pain after Luke slashed its arm off
@@geocross237 yeah without that final reaction shot the original scene is a little confusing.
The more I watch these the more I'm appreciating the 2011 Blu Ray
Then you get to Jabba's palace and have to hear that awful song.
@@keyboardwarrior327 I'd say that's the only bad addition into the special addition, the rest i liked or didn't even notice.
And jeez some people are just so autistic, sometimes getting extremely mad over 2 seconds of a scene being edited.
@@airstrike9002 It's irritating though, especially since there's no possible way to legally buy the original versions of the films in HD or 4K. If people could buy any version they wanted on DVD or Blu-ray there wouldn't be any controversy. For some reason George Lucas didn't want people to be able to do that, and I wouldn't be surprised if he put a clause in the contract when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney saying that the original versions can never be released.
I'm about 50/50 with the changes. ESB has the best changes in my opinions, the addition to windows on Bespin makes the atmosphere there way better. It makes Bespin seem like an actual city, rather than a collection of hallways.
@@airstrike9002 It´s not about 2 seconds. It´s about the whole movie changing more and more and not allowing us to buy the original version as an alternative.
I really like it when they show Wampa's whole body.
1:30-1:33 me too.
@@satoku3527 why so butthurt, bro?
@@geek8555 Sorry, i didn't remember what I was saying 1 year ago
The wampa looks like practical effects. Was it originally supposed to be shown but was cut or did they actually film these parts later?
I believe they filmed those parts later!
@@StarWarsComparison They originally DID film those parts, but the Wampa suit they had looked so terrible that they cut the parts showing it and decided to keep it offscreen for most of the time.
Shot in the nineties for the Special Edition. Also the scene in ROTJ where we see Oola land in the Rancor's den was also shot for the special edition, with the same actress reprising her role.
@@blofeld39 Yes, this is true. As well as the Wampa invasion of Echo Base.
@@captchaossega Boba Fett was also added into the Jabba and Han scene in ANH, which originally had Jabba as an actor in a furry cloak rather than a space slug. I think that those, along with this scene, the redone Palpatine dialogue with Ian McDiarmid, and Hayden Christensen's cameo were all of the non-CGI additions that actually required pick-ups to complete.
EDIT: I forgot about the victory celebration - not all of it was CGI and there's specifically a few extra shots of the Ewoks celebrating, along with Admiral Ackbar dancing around a campfire.
1:32 Best Wampa roar
As always, the GOUT colours are the best.
Man, having the Wampa off screen until the last moment is so much more terrifying.
In the original, they don't show it even at the last moment, which makes it a little confusing what happened. They could have the best of both if the scene just included the reaction shot of the now one-armed wampa.
GOUT: *Perfect if a bit murky*
2011: *Looks clean with additions done right.*
DE V2.0: *Same minus the additions*
GrindHouse: *insert color-grading* Edit: happy 40th anniversary everbody and thank you for making such an extraordinary peice of art Ivan Kushner.
2011 with blue filter looks totally unrealistic.
Cookie Monster: Me was going to ask you to snow monster ball, but now forget it! (Sobbing)
Something something something Dark side
The colour in the 2006 version is the most appropriate
By far. But that's true in every one of the comparison videos. Pity that their resolution isn't better.
what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain
@@ronf4308 obviously to emphasize the coldness of the planet
This is great. They should have used more practical effects in all of the Special Editions. I also liked the windows in Cloud City, and the replacement of the original Emperor with Ian Mcdiarmid (Except I would have kept the original dialogue). The Special Editions for the other movies contain pointless stuff like Greedo shooting first, Jabba meeting Han, Jedi Rocks, etc. I would have cut a lot of it, including the scene where Leia meets Wicket, and use these resources to make a practical Gorax, or some other creature in Endor, that explains why the Ewoks can hold their own against the Empire.
Video below shows some of Endor's creatures, from Caravan of Courage. ROTJ could have used some of that world-building.
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I used to like the updated Ep 5 emporer until I saw adywan's version! So much better. It also uses the OG dialogue
I know that many humans say: "Less is more", but for me, seeing a creepy-toothy-clawy-crawly approaching you is no less scary. Maybe it's a different kind of fear (a visible impending doom vs an unseen creature of unknown properties that may not even be dangerous, yet it's still frightening, because you don't know), but it works all the same: either you know how to counter it, thus, don't care, or you don't, and then you are screwed.
This is actually one of the few changes I don't mind that much. Nothing like Jabba's Palace Shit show, adding Jabba to Episode 4 or Han shooting Greido.
The shot in the special edition where like cuts himself down, George added the wampas arm. This was a good shot if you add it to the original hidden walls footage. Maybe even add the wampa screaming in pain
This is one of the good special edition changes
That wampa was never the same again.
Funny when you think both characters, scene lose a limb to a light saber by the end. 🎥
Lukes lightsaber looking basically white in the top right is actually dope
how come the saber retract sound plays as he escapes?
But even in that version his saber still remains ignited even tho the retract sound effect was heard.
Yeah i know. It always bugs me. I mean, the Lightsaber dose not turn of.
Maybe Lucas thought there was a continuity error at the time he first did the Special Edition. We never see or hear the saber retract in the original version between the shots of Luke escaping the Wampa cave and then coming out in the snow. So Lucas probably added the retract sound so the saber can be heard retracting (even though it's still fully ignited) before Luke comes out in the snow.
i always wondered how the wampa stuck luke to the ceiling? Did he freez his boots into the ice? How?
Wampa spit?
Why is the despecialized still pretty blue tinted compared to the Gout or TN1? I thought it wasn't supposed to be that blue.
Have you thought of doing a video like this with the 1997 special edition or Japanese special collection laserdisc to compare color timing?
You would have to ask Harmy, but this is v2.0, so at the time I'm sure he believed the colors were relatively accurate(that's not to say I'm in the position that they aren't, though).
By the way the *JapaneseSpecialCollectionLaserdisc* is debated to have colors than the 1993 *DefinitiveEditionLaserDisc*/*GOUT*, but the 1993 THX Master witch was used for the GOUT and 1993 has less dirt.
@@StarWarsComparison GOUT colors for the win. No comparison. The Despecialized is way too close to the awful Blu-ray hues.
@@jetuber Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
@@egergeorge8949 Blue is a "cold" color, similar to how red is associated with warmth.
I do like more wampa but I also feel like they could’ve cut away two times while it was eating, first it just eating the tauntaun and then it getting up to notice luke, the rest can stay in.
I like the 2011 version the best! Don’t judge me! Do you like seeing sock puppets portraying alien movies?
Yeah. At least the Wampa isn't CGI.
phillip walling it should be!
Really you like when he just eat and looks like stupid ? The original was more "creepy" y'know, we see the wampa a little but we see he is coming to eat Luke and that's why the original scene has more creepy suspense. The 2011 scene well , the Wampa looks stupid and that's not creepy at all, that's just a little embarrassing and when he walk to Luke, the suspense is literally gone. But that's my opinion.
Satoku stupid? That’s definitely what they always wanted to add! It’s called remastering for a reason!
@@Crazylegoman3791 remastered for making more the movie boring. Seriously, George Lucas doesn't need to remastered a scene who is already good
I loved the 2011 Blu-ray version of The Empire Strikes Back to see the Wampa Ice Creature in this scene
The Wampa can sense the Force.
in two months happy 40th to esb!!! Where were you when it first came out? My dad was working as a dj and saw this with his friends.
As most know, Lucas claims the special editions were how he originally “envisioned” the films being if he had the money and time to add more. If anything, this shows it actually kills the immersion of the film as it takes away the suspense and horror of what terrible monster has caught Luke. If anything, all he needed to add was the last shot of the wampa missing it’s arm to show it’s defeat and lack of intimidation after Luke bested it.
As most know, when Lucas is left alone making films, the result is not great, as shown by prequels.
The point that he sold the franchise to people even more incompetent is irrelevant
Lucas originally intended for the timing of the shoot when Han and Greedo are at the bar to change every time you watched the film.
This is one scene where I actually could buy into Lucas’s bullshit about ‘as originally intended’, as they scrapped most of the Wampa stuff due to issues with the performance and the suit.
Mind you, I have no idea if this particular added shot was actually in the original script or storyboarding.
That’s what cracks me up about the ‘as I originally intended it’ bullshit. Not only has he revised Han-Greedo and other scenes multiple times, he’s also reverted at least one change back to the original (Luke screaming as he falls in ESB) due to the fans shitting on it.
1:20 GOUT, Grindhouse Edition and Despecialized Edition's version of a Wampa, The Most Unrealistic Creature In The World!!!
This is one of the Special Edition additions I actually like.
I saw someone say that this scene was scarier without seeing more of the wampa, but I'd argue the opposite. From Luke's perspective, at least, he's watching this massive hulking beast eating the remains of his faithful tonton with the full knowledge of the fact that failing to escape means he'll be next. The audience misses part of that tension and pressure without seeing what Luke sees.
I don't care what anyone says. The 2011 changes to the Wompa scene are superior in every way. Far more suspenseful when you know what's actually there.
I prefer the more dreamlike, vague structure of the original more.
I honestly could go with either version.
They don't call it Blu-ray for nothin.
what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain
Tuco Salamanca: Ahuhuhh, What is this? It's Blue!
so much better without seeing the wampa. adds actual tension.
I remember the full wampa scene on the VHS, unless It was the director's cut version
1:28 - I NEVER noticed the CGI arm they stuck in there!!!
If Only they kept the original footage as well as the Newly Added that way it’s much more scarier and suspenseful
If want to see the original version of this movie I better get it on vhs. I had one on vhs and it had the new wampa scene and the original emperor
The Blu-Ray version looks unnatural blue
What is the purpose for the blue hue? Somebody please explain
It would be cool if they ever revisit Hoth to see a one arm wampa in the background.
I don't understand why the Despecialized didn't keep the colors closer to GOUT.
what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain
The New one Not CGI about time I like it
Where can I get Harmy's Despecialized Edition? I used to have the original on VHS and when I got the blu ray version things had been changed and I absolutely hate it. If anyone can tell me how to get The Despecialized Edition I would be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance!!! :D
This was one of the special edition additions I didn't mind. They did a really good job with the effects and it looks practical. Jabba's Palace and the stupid song is where they really botched it lol. And the dumb critters burping on Tatooine all the time. George got out of control with that one.
How does Lucas consciously change scenes such as this one while going to the trouble of cgi/special effects, and STILL gets details wrong? Showing more of the mysterious and ferocious Wampa was a good change yes, but when Luke cuts off the beast's arm at 1:33, half of the arm, if that, is on the ground and effectively cut off, yet immediately after that in the special edition, we see a gaping shoulder deep wound in the Wampa? It's one thing to put that in the original movie and go OOPS we goofed, but it's another thing entirely to redo the scene, analyze it who knows how many times, and screw it up.
Tyler Crane it’s George Lucas. He’ll manage to screw stuff up. Especially when it comes to continuity. How the hell do you change stuff in a movie so much yet still can’t keep things consistent? I mean I know it’s six movies but come on. It can’t be that hard
believe the original unedited OT has some pretty glaring faults too.
Yeah and he used a blue tint which makes everything look unnatural and too dull. 😐
Do you guys know Adywan revisited?
I don’t know about you guys, but I think the 2011 version is better, as they show the Wampa more, which helps build tension
Hi xenomorph. Do you know why was alien scary? Because it didn't show too much. The best horror movies, video games etc... build tension around the fear of the unknown.
Shannon LaChaise yeah that’s true
@@shannonlachaise3050 Except, there needs to be a payoff. You need to see the monster eventually for the full effect to work. Otherwise, people will think you're just hiding the monster because you have no monster.
0:28, 0:49, 1:17 & 1:29-1:33 I like the Special Edition version where that carnivorous Reptomammal was seen. “Bottom left.”
The wampa is sceary
1:36 Is that the sound of the lightsabre shutting down? But it's clearly still open.
The Wampa sounded like an Elephant Seal when eating
Renegade colour is the most naturalistic. It’s white/grey. I haven’t seen blue snow anywhere.
Nice Channel Concept, I'm an O.G. but I like the Special Edition Wampa, very hulking creature they assembled. I heard the original suit was not film-able FAKE.
I think they should make an edition the way mark Hamill was told, wanted, and knew it should be like, where he didn't cut off the wampas arm but just uses the beam to scare it away. It's the way Mark Hamill wants it.
The movies aren't his visions. He has no say in the final product of the movies, the directors and producers do. Obviously George Lucas didn't listen to Hamill.
UndoneKitchenTable wrong. Hamil had George Lucas delete three of his lines in ANH
History and Reviews there could have been tons of stuff that george left in that mark disliked.
They aren't doing special editions anymore. I think it's because Disney own's Star Wars.
@@beeswithchainsaws Maclunky.
This Reminds Me Of Abominable Snow Monster From Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer, Huh?
I like Harmey’s edition
the CGI Wampa is actually one of the good changes imo
That's a guy in a suit, but I agree with how good it looks! The Wampa there actually looks fearsome and how it should be.
I love the Special Editions but I think it sort of kills tension when you already see it .I love both but I'd go with the original.
I disagree. I feel no tension because I have no idea what the creature actually looks like or what fate actually awaits Luke if he can't escape. This isn't like a horror movie where you can build the tension of the creature in various scenes by not showing him, it's one scene that isn't long enough to pull that off. Showing the Wompa and just how intimidating it actually looks adds far more to the scene if you ask me.
The grindhouse edition is that fan-made cut like the Despecialished edition
Whole edition is slightly warm. Bottom two are far worse. Edited by persons who have never seen snow in their life.
@@elksalmon84 what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain
@@ronf4308 simply unprofessional lighting
No; its just a theater reel that was scanned without much cleaning
The colour temp seems off in the DespEd!
what is the purpose for the blue hue? I am curious and wish someone would explain. The blue is so unnatural so there must be a reason I don't understand. Is is easier on the viewer's eyes? I am hoping a film student can explain to me.
it feels colder. just look at them again and see which one looks colder to watch
This scene is one reason I hate the sequel trilogy so much. Luke at this point had been training to be a Jedi for several years, but he had to stop and really focus to pull the lightsaber to himself. Rey, on the other hand, can pull the lightsaber to herself, against Kylo Ren as he's also trying to pull it, literally hours (at the most a day or two) after learning the force exists, with no training whatsoever.
"Sequel trilogy" ?
0:53 Sounds Like A T-Rex
one source claimed that the special edition wampa scene appeared as early as the 70mm version of the empire strikes back in 1980 but i don't really believe that
1997
@@JohnJohn-do2oj yeah I'm aware, but I did read somewhere that it appeared on the 1980 70mm version, but of course, I don't believe it's true due to the special edition documentary showing that it was made for the special edition. Yes I know there isn't really a preservation for the 70mm version but I believe some of the stuff in the thing I read was made up.
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Ma cosa c’entra se fu attaccato da un wampa? Gli tagliò il braccio e scappò, se non erro il suo bel faccino rimase illeso!
1:00 use the Force
Nintendorak Yamato What do you think he's trying to do?!
They took away the tension of this scene by showing the Wampa in the special edition.
who in the world is Harmy
Your mom
why is the despecialized edition so blue? =(
Why did not they show in the Special Edition, how Luke get sticked to the ice ceiling of the cave by the Wampa?
I think he is knows that the temperature falls down at night rapidly on Hoth (it is even could as hell during the daylight time)! Luke could have killed the Wampa with some strikes of his light saber, but instead he runs out of the cave! Why does he not stayed in the cave for the night, instead of get frozen almost to death? Ok he was the lucking one to got found by Han Solo and he sliced off the stomach of the dead taun taun, put him inside to warm him up ;-)!
you're grammer make me want to killed myselfs
1:33
I always thought showing the Wampa with its arm off felt out of place. They did best with what they had when they made ESB without the full Wampa on display.
The colors in the Blu-ray are HORRIBLE. As always, the GOUT colors are ideal -- just needs better resolution, as in the Despecialized.
Is there a practical purpose behind adding blue hue? I am sure the editors had a reason, but I have no idea what it is since I am not a filmmaker and snow in its natural form would be white. I wish someone would explain the idea behind the blue tint.
I don't like how he cut off the wampa's arm. It's inhumane.
Too bad the Wampa massacred his steed and was fixing to gut Luke like a fish. But sure, save the Wampa, not like the galaxy needed Luke or anything....
He had no choice or it would of killed him. Better to lose an arm than to kill it.
the wampa its also inhumane. Its called nature
Luke collapsed less than 5 minutes after this. He was in no position to try to save some random animal's arm
Yeah, I guess he was forced to defend himself because he was being attacked. I suppose I just have a soft spot for other animals.
1:33 😆
How the fuck is the tauntum yelling if it's obviously dead as a doornail?
Maybe there's other Wampa creatures about (as established in deleted scenes) and they've caught Tauntauns for dinner too.
Original version is like Jaws, building tension by only see bits of the monster. Special Edition says “Screw that subtlety, here’s a CGI monster!”
crazymaner2003 Not really since you see the Wampa attack Luke and his Tauntaun before. Doesn't really add tension for me at all.
Isn't the Blu-ray a suit too? People don't even know what is CGI is and they still complain, geez there's really no pleasing people is there?
1:29
Almost every change in The Empire Strikes Back from the 2011 edition is good except this, but it's passable. Some parts of it I would keep, like 1:29 and 1:34
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So basically its a downgrade in the edit.
ugh why does everything from the early 2000s have to look like its shot through blue cellophane. It's so ugly and takes you right out of it.
See how Mr Lucas saves that caracter.
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The blue comes from 2004 DVD. The 1997 Special Edition had already some blue because it had bad color correction. In 2004, they messed up the color correction for the DVD and the blue hue is a color error from 2004 DVD and as the Blu-ray uses the 2004 DVD Release, the blue stays. Unlike the GOUT DVD which is from 1993 LaserDisc. Disney+ fixed the colors.
I wonder if anyone asks this question who would win a fight a wookie or a wampa?