The "I got bored so I stole a TARDIS and ran away" is probably my second favorite origin story for The Doctor, my first being the TARDIS's take on that story, "I got bored, so I stole a Time Lord and ran away".
What else was it gonna do, sit by itself for an eternity, unused, unloved, a empty white box for an eternity? What a condemnation for a living soul, even if an artifice. No wonder it broke it's chameleon circuit after settling on a police box
Something I've always felt needs to be accounted for with the Doctor's origins is the fact that when he left Gallifrey to go on the run, he took his Granddaughter with him. That strikes me as an interesting choice knowing what we have since 1969 and it's something I'm surprised doesn't often come up with fans. I like to think that despite a life of disatisfaction with Time Lord society, the Doctor never would've left for himself, but instead what motivated him to finally break free was seeing the same disatisfaction with Susan and a desire to give her what he always longed for.
Many forget about Susan because well to a large extent the show has. She was left in the 22nd century and yet the doctor always claims to be "the last time lord" after the time war.
@@owenmonahan5821 I've heard it! I really enjoyed a lot of its concepts but overall it wasn't really for me? I really like the two David Warner stories though.
@@kurukurushuffle fair enough. I love all the Unbounds personally. The Warner ones were great too. Have you heard Deadline with Darke Jacobi? That one is an absolute masterpiece
There's actually dialogue in the TV movie that states the Doctor can change species when he regenerates, so it's possible only the Eighth Doctor was half human, and the bit about his "mother's side" was a joke. In the new series, the Ninth Doctor talks about how "dodgy" the process is, which lends credence to this idea.
I always liked the idea of it being a half broken Chamaeleon arc. The Doctor in the TV movie is obsessed with his pocket watch. That’s also the explanation expanded media gives.
Keeping some mystery about the Doctor is a good way of using intrigue to string an audience along. If you reveal the mystery, you start to lose that intrigue, but if you keep stringing people along the same mystery indefinitely, people will lose interest. So you either have to change the mystery, or introduce new mysteries, both of which Doctor Who has been doing for decades. Great video.
I always liked the idea that the doctor wasn't special. they weren't even clever amongst their time lord peers. It was purely their curiosity and thirst for adventure that made them anywhere near special. The doctor is not a superhero, they're just a person trying their best.
One of the most annoying things about the Moffat era is how the Doctor is made into something more God-like and special with all the grandiose speeches.
@@daffy8995 this is a misinterpretation. The whole arc is him getting too big and arrogant for his boots, following up on Ten being arrogant and egotistical, and having to calm it down. None of his big moments actually lead him to succeed. In Eleventh Hour, he'd already won and what he did to the Atraxi changed nothing. In Pandorica Opens, he didn't scare them off, they were playing him the whole time and his speech had no impact beyond feeding his growing ego. In Good Man Goes to War, the whole idea is brought to its climax as he fails big time and it's from there that he tries to step back. Then finally in Rings of Akhaten his speech didn't beat the god, it was Clara who came in last minute. People like to put this on the Eleventh Doctor, but his speeches never really did anything and it was all about his growing ego.
You want to know something weirder than the fact that we didn’t know the name Gallifrey until 1974. We didn’t know what regeneration was until 1974 either. The Doctor just “changed their face. Which means we got a Multi doctor story over a year before someone decided to explain why that was possible in the first place.
I adhere to the "keep it simple" philosophy. There's something really relatable about the Doctor becoming fed up with the bureaucratic , stoic, and stuffy world of the Timelords, and stealing a Tardis to escape and seek adventure in time and space. There have been many times I wish I could do the same.
Excellent video. Personally, the more ambiguous the Doctor’s backstory, the more I enjoy the show. I feel like the Doctor’s heroic nature being something anyone from any background can manifest is truly inspirational.
What makes the Doctor a fascinating and inspirational character is that we see him _become_ a hero, he doesn't start as one. In _An Unearthly Child_ the Doctor is not a good person, he kidnaps Ian and Barbara in a fit of pique and seems intent on bashing a man's head in with a rock. But over the course of the 1960s he changes and shifts in his personality and attitude, and he takes us along for the ride.
I think the "I made a jigsaw out of your history" thing in "The Giggle" was nice, I think that's a cute idea, that actually we're not trying to make all of this consistent, its just that the Doctor's timeline has been screwed up in cosmic ways, so it can all be true at once. Lovely!
Thank you for simply presenting a case study on the many-conflicting origin stories that the Doctor has had rather than getting into an extended rant that bashes some interesting new directions a Head Writer has taken the show in.
Extra fun notes: In the draft scripts for Power of the Daleks, David Whitaker revealed that the Doctor had been "renewed" several times in the past, and that it happened roughly every five centuries. Whitaker scripts also specified the Doctor's age as 750, included various references to his granddaughter Susan (although the Doctor no longer was able to recall where he left her), and also hinted that it might have been the Daleks who destroyed his homeworld.(the Doctor was still envisaged as being a refugee from the destruction of his home planet during a galactic war).
Another truly excellent video Josh. I've watched Doctor Who since November 23 1963 and being a child in the 60s was so exciting with the Hartnell and Troughton stories (hard to believe that you watched them on a Saturday teatime and then that was it. No other means of watching them again at the time!). Furthermore, I still remember the sheer excitement of opening the latest Doctor Who annual every Christmas morning! Magical times.
Arcs like the Time War, confession dial, River Song, etc. show that you can reintroduce mystery into the character without changing the origin story - have something that happened between seasons, in the character's future, something they're not being honest about. Changes to the origin story are inconsequential because we know future writers will just ignore them and there's never been anything put forward that's better than the classic story you described at the end.
There was also a really weird backstory written by Anthony Coburn and David Whittaker and sent out to writers at the beginning of the series as a brief. In that one, Susan was the heir the throne of another planet that got invaded, and The Doctor rescued her during the invasion. So they were still on the run, but it was also this monarchical thing that everyone ignored lol
As Dan The Man says, it gives us a real Lift whenever a new Josh Snares video reaches us. He’s very very special, wonderful delivery and style, and well researched. He ought to be an international superstar in broadcasting. For me, he already is. ❤
Watching the show as a youth, I got hooked on the idea that The Doctor was a kind of refugee from his home planet, perhaps escaping a civil war. After all, in what situation would you find a man taking his granddaughter away in a stolen ship -no sign or even talk of his wife or Susan's parents (the unspoken truth being that they are no longer alive).
In multiple situations. If they were both bored, and the Doctor didn't want Susan to have the opportunity to get into as much trouble as him. If he were concerned that Susan would be married to someone too young (we don't know their customs). If he were scared of one of the Timelords having a chance to hurt his granddaughter. If he had been frightened by the very things he was later obsessed with (the Hybrid prophesy, another prophesy, or even fear, itself), even - like in _Listen,_ or _Hell Bent._ And that's just off the top of my head, with only 4½ hours of sleep. 😄 I'm sure there are a ton more possibilities!
I find it fascinating that when asking the question of Who is the Doctor that numerous creators settle on "THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF TIME LORD CREATION" instead of "he's just some guy, you know" Also, when I read that document and got to the note read aloud at 3:18 I actually spit out my drink. I strive to write something that elicits that type of editor's note.
What worked best about the character of the Doctor as a hero was him NOT being special among his own people, but becoming special through their own courage and choices to intervene rather than stand back and observe. Anyone could be like the doctor by choosing to be that way. Making the character destined to be special from their beginning completely collapses anything about them that is actually special, and turns them into a tedious mary sue. Only the doctor can then be the doctor because they were literally born superior.
I think being the Timeless Child only makes the Doctor special on a superficial level. They *thought* they were like any other Time Lord and the vast majority of the other Time Lords also had no idea they were the Timeless Child, so the Doctor still became special through their own courage and morality. Chibnall just didn't highlight that because he's a shallow writer. The Timeless Child "reveal" could lead to great "nature vs nurture vs personal choices" conversations, and I wonder if future writers will grasp that opportunity.
@@Mark-pl3bv This 100%. What most of the fandom doesn't realise is that the Doctor and the Child/Other aren't the same. They're the same person, sure, but they're completely different identities. It doesn't matter how special the Child is, it doesn't make the Doctor any more special.
@@Mark-pl3bv If they are wise they will retcon the timeless child out permanently and unambiguously. it was to Doctor who was as stupid and destructive a retcon as if Agatha Christie had revealed in the 13th Poirot Novel that Poirot was from Alpha Centauri, not Belgium, and Captain Hastings was an android SHE built in her greenhouse.
I always liked the offhand comment the seventh Doctor makes about the hand of Omega, suggesting that he was there with Rassilon at the Dawn of the Timelords. Weirdly, that was the biggest issue I had with Chibnal’s story: that the Doctor didn’t know about anything before Hartnell, when the Seventh Doctor has directly referenced it… but then maybe he went & spent time at the Dawn of the Timelords after running away, out of curiosity, & some weird type of manifest destiny. So far as the half human thing, or many other things, for that matter, there is always rule number one: The Doctor Lies. It’ll be interesting to see where the next series takes things
actually the whole "half-human" thing was actually addressed in a doctor who comic titled "The Forgotten" the 8th doctor told a friend of his - "i once convinced my most hated enemy that i was half human with nothing more than a wide eyed expression and a half broken chameleon arch" So either he forgot and then just remembered, or he was just lying from the start to catch the master off guard during the movie
There was a TV show in the early 80s here in the UK called Sapphire and Steel. The show never explained what or where the two main characters came from, even if they were actually human, during its run. Vague mentions is all we got and the show was so much the better because of not knowing. Great watch, as always sir.
A very thoughtful roundup of the changes. Everyone who has touched upon the Doctor's origins have very wisely left us asking more questions than we've had answered. Newman's greatest single contribution to his creation was to steer it away from being reactionary, and to emphasize the mystery. He truly knew what he was doing there, and that may be the best evidence to name him as DW's sole creator, as opposed to a group effort.
Nah, I've got to disagree with you. You're forgetting Verity Lambert, David Whitaker, and a bit later, Innes Lloyd, who all had a huge hand in shaping the shows lore.
@@MaryAnnNytowl You can disagree all you want. I would say that Robert Holmes and Terrence Dicks shaped a great deal of the lore, as well. The problem is that only Sydney Newman was present at the creation, and able to hand off a coherent idea for the rest of them to shape. On down to what RTD is planning later this year.
It is true to say that DW has been the product of a number of influences, starting from SN handing off to Lambert and Whittaker. But you can say that for any number of shows that have had multiple production teams.
@@ExoplanetaryMedia2516 how many others that worked on the show in its infancy have ever been incorporated into the lore of the show? First with #10, as a human in Human Nature, when he says his mother's name is Verity. Then she _and_ Sidney were incorporated into the show with Verity Newman, the great granddaughter of the woman the 'human' Doctor fell in love with in that episode, who - in the episode End of Time - wrote _Journal of Impossible Things,_ the love story of her great grandmother and "the man from the stars." You have to admit that - even if you want to dismiss Whitaker's and Lloyd's importance to the show - if Sidney Newman was Doctor Who's father, then Verity Lambert was the show's mother.
I'd like to see them tackle the mystery that is Susan as the Doctors granddaughter. It implies that they had a family on Gallifrey before running away. With all of the cameos of old companions popping up in the past few years, why not have a story that has Susan return that somehow explains who she is and why the Doctor took her with him when he left.
It seems like everytime I rewatch a Josh Snares video, they just so happen to upload whilst I’m watching Today was no exception as I was rewatching the Rob Ritchie interview before getting this notifications. Josh has great timing Also, this video is another certified banger from a channel of certified bangers
I theorize with each reboot of the (DOCTOR WHO) show series, there’s the chance The-Doctor’s, origin might change, and details about him might have additions added.
Iirc the BBC books has Faction Paradox messing with the Doctor timeline and in one of the books it implied that the “half human “ were the result of the this
“The Doctor…born to the House of Lungbarrow…Born to a human mother…Not a single one of them seems to agree with any of the others. I find three more birth notices, all in that typical poetic Gallifreyan style, and not a single one of them seems to agree with any of the others. The Doctor attended the Time Lord Academy for twenty years. No, centuries….These aren’t lies…They're all real, except they can't be, except they are.” - Celestial Intervention: A Gallifreyian Noir Brilliant video Josh!
Real ones know that the doctor is both half-human, and was loomed - The Other is the biological child of Leela and Andred, and was then reincarnated via the looms as Dr. Who
The Doctor does change and he realises that he made mistakes and he/she wants to learn from the mistakes. I have not heard of "looms" before, thank you for explaining Josh.
Surprisingly I dont hate the timeless children arc, I would very much rather it not be something that is a stated fact. And honestly it isnt a stated fact its just what the master said. But i do like the idea that its a possibility to the doctors origins. I dont think we should ever fully know honestly
@@Jansenbaker who did she tell that to, and under what circumstances? AND remember that Timelords lie, all the time. And... that watch... the Doctor did NOT open it, did she? She gave it to the TARDIS, to hide it from herself, because she didn't want to know.
@@MaryAnnNytowl Yeah to me that means that its up to interpretation, they came close but never fully confirmed that what the master said was fully true
I'm not super fond of the story, but your right there's enough that's unclear about the whole thing for me to be able to craft a headcanon that agrees with my tastes. For one I follow with the version told in the 2021 annual (I could be wrong on the year) that says the Timeless Child didn't have infinite regeneration and that twelve is just a natural limit to it, so I then choose to belive that the Doctor has had their regenerations renewed more than once. And the other big thing I belive that is that the world the Timeless child originally came from was a future or parallel Gallifrey, I find it fitting that the Time Lords would come about as a result of a time loop.
Yikes. If anything, this video reminds me of the time when the showrunners went as far as to reshoot scenes to ensure vagueness to the Doctor's origin & leaving it to the audience to come up with their own conclusions.
Looms are the only part of _Lungbarrow_ that I would actually like... But regarding origins, I think I follow a more Moffat-like approach, where I take "Doctor Who?" to be more of a character question about personality and motivation and the open future of what he'll become rather than a backstory question about where and when. Questions that we can ask about ourselves sometimes, rather than mere lore. I greatly prefer the idea that the Doctor's adventures changed him and helped make him what he is. If we had to see his younger self on Gallifrey, I'd prefer to see that he hated travel, generally didn't make any heroic effort to get involved with others' business, etc. It would highlight that contrast and make that change clear. And I like the idea that we've never had a great explanation for why Susan was with the First Doctor. I take it as evidence that every explanation like "I was bored" was a simple lie, merely offered to shut down conversation rather than really explain things.
The explanation I posited to Carole Ann Ford herself: He was bored, and he saw that Susan was too. He saw that, like himself, she was _nowhere near_ passing at the Academy, so he took her along and stole a TARDIS in order to teach her about the world through experience. Get lost, encounter language barriers, learn by doing. Tune in, turn on, drop out.
I personally think that the fandom's notion of "The Doctor's origin needs to stay a secret at all costs!" is overrated, because there's really no point in keeping the mystery alive if there's no payoff. A 60 year long franchise is going to leave breadcrumbs, that's just how it goes. I like that they've finally actively laid the groundwork for future writers to build on the secret origins of Doctor Who. This can lead to some of the most exciting years of Doctor Who's storytelling history if only the writers (and fans) could grow up and stop dwelling on this weird craving for questions that don't have an answer. Let the show evolve please. It can do so much more than what it has so far.
I typed out my interpretation, but it was almost 2000 words long 😂Another amazing video! I really enjoy the ambiguity of the Doctor's origin, it could be any number of things, and is sort of like a 'choose your own adventure' type thing.
to me honestly, the timeless child origin is very interesting, it sheds some light on the doctors past but creates new exciting questions, like where is the timeless child from, what is division, what happened there etc...
There may not have been an instance of the Doctor *calling* himself an alien in the classic series, but what about the establishment of him having 2 hearts and blood that isn't a human blood type in "Spearhead from Space?"
A major factor of the Doctor's origins and life that people often overlook is that it is all subject to change within the internal rules of the world itself. Major changes to time have been made just during the Doctor's life. The Time War alone probably means both Daleks and Time Lords have been all but wiped from existence and 'rebooted' multiple times. Practically any contradiction in the sprawling mass of episodes and other media can be described as alternate time lines. Genesis of the Daleks drastically changes the Daleks. Prior to Genesis, Davros dies right after creating them and they had TARDIS Time capsule tech as good as the Time Lords and were a major threat in multiple eras. After Genesis, with Davros surviving the birth of his creations because of caution that made him install protections in his travel chair over the stories the Doctor told him they are perpetually stunted by their creator's obsessions. In other words, is the post Dalek conquest future Earth he left Susan on even THERE anymore?
I suppose it's hard to discount the Timeless Child origin, now that the Doctor has met Tecteun. I liked a theory that I read somewhere, that Leela was the Doctors mother.
I always liked the idea that he's just some time lord who semi-accidentally stumbled into being the doctor, but then realized that he liked doing that. But that's just my headcanon.
But... 'Doctor' is a name chosen, carefully and with much consideration, by the person themselves. They didn't just one day accidentally discover they were being called the Doctor and decided to keep the name.
I hope you come back better than #1 did... I mean, the Doctor claimed they would, and never did, through the entirety of what they believed to be their only 12 chances. Even when #10 was going around checking on EVERYone while he was dying, he chose not to go see her. That always bothered me, frankly.
I still think that the other 8 faces in the Morbius story were Morbius's since he was a time lord and the Doctor thought the bust looked like a renegade time lord. Only way to say otherwise means that Morbius never regenerated.
Excellent video with just one minor omission. The ancient origins of the Doctor were hinted at in a couple of Jon Pertwee stories where he referred to himself as having been a scientist for thousands of years. I'm pretty sure that one of those stories was The Mind of Evil but I am not sure of the other. It could have been the Time Monster or Inferno but I am not sure. As for the potential immortality of the Timelords Patrick Troughton referred to them as living practically forever, barring accidents I think in The Tomb of the Cybermen. The Deadly Assassin retconned that though, as did later Peter Davison stories. On the whole, though this is a fantastic video. Very well done indeed.
What a lot of people forget, where the "half human, on my mother's side" is concerned, as River Song delighted in reminding us, the Doctor lies. And that would work with #8 getting that human to work with him. And I never thought of those extra faces as anything but The Doctor, because we'd already seen all of Morbius' faces before that happened.
I think even the current writers know of how confusing it is for the Doctor’s origin, so they made a cheeky nod to it when the Toymaker states that he made his “history into a jigsaw” during the 3rd 14th Doctor Special; as well as dismissing it emotionally through the 15th doctor later on. It’s like the Doctor saying, “Ok, we have all got our emotional baggage. That was mine & I spent over a regenerated lifetime to sort it out. Let’s go on & have a grand ol’ time exploring, saving folks & ourselves when we can.” Kind of era now with Disney backing up finances for the show.
my favourite tidbid of the Doctor's classic origins was that in the original intended XMAS special in the Hartnell Era was that the Doctor was Cinderella's fairy godmothers ex-husband.
Excellent video, I'd never heard of that original (reactionary) character background for the Doctor. Did you create the Doctor Who logo/graphics/background animations for this? They are amazing - blue/white/silver with a tinge of gold are my favorite
Since the actors were credited as "Doctor Who " for a long time since classic Era, and I think he signed Dr. W once, and not talking about Cushing's movies, 😄
I think the Doctors origins will always be changing, because in reality no one knows how to describe his origin and now there have been so many, it is just an enigma within a mystery.
Great video! There's another origin story alluded to in the New Adventures. You'll love this. In Human Nature the human Doctor writes a story from his dreams where a Victorian inventor creates a time/space machine in a police box. He travels back in time to a primitive Gallifrey where he teaches the locals time travel and gives them regeneration and a second heart. He then gets bored of his life there so steals one of the time machines to travel the universe. I believe Steven Moffatt helped contribute to that idea. There is also the Target novelisation of Remembrance of the Daleks, written by Ben Aaronovitch which predates the New Adventures and was the first to mention 'the Other'.
I never had an issue with the Looms: I quite like them, actually. Why should an alien race conceive children exactly like we do? P.S. In my opinion, the Doctor's past is "multiple choice." Their exact origins aren't set in stone and change constantly due to time travel and multiple parties trying to alter their timeline. This was partially explored in the Doctor Who novel Unnatural History
Also, Lungbarrow ends by strongly implying that the Other was half-human anyway. Now, the one that's *really* wild that nobody ever talks about or acknowledges is Sometime Never, where the only sane conclusion of the madness is that The Doctor is a large shiny crystal duplicate of himself created by a jealous magic dog called Jamais, and Gallifrey has never existed.
@@blackphoenix77 It is! It's so wacky that the wikia barely talks about it, but if memory serves, Jamais gets jealous of his owner's doll so he bites its head off, causing eight crystals trapped inside to fall into the Time Vortex. These crystals become the Council of Eight, including Soul. Sadly, I haven't read much of it myself either, haha. If you want to know more there is a tumblr that I learned a lot from that talks about it a bit, called doctornomore, under the tag "Sometime Never." (They're a writer for the Faction Paradox spinoff, and know so much about the Whoniverse it's scary.)
@@LightLMN Wow that's so weird.... even weirder than the Looms! P.S. do you mean doctornolonger? I follow him already but I never saw that tag. (I searched for "doctor no more" on Tumblr and he's the only one who popped up)
Lady Peinforte knew his origins in Silver Nemesis. They need to reboot the Chibnall era as a Master trick in the matrix similar to Trial of the Time Lord. If Matt Smith was out of 12 regenerations why did he need a new regeneration cycle thru the crack in time if he was the Timeless Child.
A couple of things you missed, had Roger Delgado not been killed it would have been revealed that he hand The Doctor are brothers. Some also point to The Rani’s comments in ‘Mark of The Rani’ confirming this. The Rani is also supposed to have discovered regeneration something that the doctor was around for making them significantly older. This is part of The Other.
I'm a fan of the Ouroborus fan origin stories for the Doctor is that the Doctor will return to being the Timeless Child after hundreds, possibly thousands of incarnation.
Josh has a merch goldmine right there behind him. The round things! I love the round things! What are the round things? I don't care I just want a curtain with round things on.
Wonderul fun video Josh! I love all origins even the silly one that was initially a part of the TV movie that got cut! I'm happy with the timeless child but i am also happy without it. The show is fun with that and I hope we never really get an origin. Also, get those STINKY looms out of my face.
Very well done video! I think that the doctor's origin is sort of like the joker's, it can be multiple choice! It's up to the viewer really. The only thing that matters is that they're the doctor. And they will never ever stop.
Got derailed 18 seconds in. Became temporarily obsessed with that fantastic quilted jacket Sarah Jane is wearing in that brief "Brain of Morbius" screen shot. :D Would love to see another fashion-focused vid for Sarah Jane's outfits!
Good video as always 😁 I think you’re unfair on the Looms idea, it gives the Time Lords a tragedy in their omnipotence and in no way precludes the idea of sex or children. I always think the best way to enjoy DW is pick and choose what you like.
The Doctor is definitely confirmed to not be human in the classic series, not just the new series. Although it's not explicit until the 2nd or 3rd Doctor
And also Terrence Dicks and elsewhere had officially confirmed the morbius regenerations as being regenerations of morbius it wasn't just fan speculation or assertion
"I'll take a good-hearted weirdo any day". I get that it's how the Doctor applies his/her skills, values and overall attitude in the face of adversity that matters the most in why we are so endeared to this character. It still doesn't cease to irritate me, how Chibnall pretty much muddied about 60 years worth of continuity, for the sake of one story. But I suppose that's just par for the course for any narrative that runs long enough and is passed through a lot of people. In the long run, you the fan, will be punished for ever paying attention in the first place. On a side note, I don't think the Doctor's name from The Time Lord Academy, Theta Sigma (or Thete, as Drax preferred to call him) was mentioned.
It’s always a good day when Josh Snares uploads.
💕💕
Amen other
You could say... it's a fantastic day
Amen to that.
A great day indeed!
The "I got bored so I stole a TARDIS and ran away" is probably my second favorite origin story for The Doctor, my first being the TARDIS's take on that story, "I got bored, so I stole a Time Lord and ran away".
What else was it gonna do, sit by itself for an eternity, unused, unloved, a empty white box for an eternity? What a condemnation for a living soul, even if an artifice.
No wonder it broke it's chameleon circuit after settling on a police box
Something I've always felt needs to be accounted for with the Doctor's origins is the fact that when he left Gallifrey to go on the run, he took his Granddaughter with him. That strikes me as an interesting choice knowing what we have since 1969 and it's something I'm surprised doesn't often come up with fans. I like to think that despite a life of disatisfaction with Time Lord society, the Doctor never would've left for himself, but instead what motivated him to finally break free was seeing the same disatisfaction with Susan and a desire to give her what he always longed for.
Many forget about Susan because well to a large extent the show has. She was left in the 22nd century and yet the doctor always claims to be "the last time lord" after the time war.
@@gaylordcomic Susan isn't necessarily a time lady, even though she is Gallifreyan
Great point. You should check out the first Unbound audio, it kinda deals with that and is a really sweet story
@@owenmonahan5821 I've heard it! I really enjoyed a lot of its concepts but overall it wasn't really for me? I really like the two David Warner stories though.
@@kurukurushuffle fair enough. I love all the Unbounds personally. The Warner ones were great too. Have you heard Deadline with Darke Jacobi? That one is an absolute masterpiece
There's actually dialogue in the TV movie that states the Doctor can change species when he regenerates, so it's possible only the Eighth Doctor was half human, and the bit about his "mother's side" was a joke. In the new series, the Ninth Doctor talks about how "dodgy" the process is, which lends credence to this idea.
I always liked the idea of it being a half broken Chamaeleon arc. The Doctor in the TV movie is obsessed with his pocket watch. That’s also the explanation expanded media gives.
Keeping some mystery about the Doctor is a good way of using intrigue to string an audience along. If you reveal the mystery, you start to lose that intrigue, but if you keep stringing people along the same mystery indefinitely, people will lose interest. So you either have to change the mystery, or introduce new mysteries, both of which Doctor Who has been doing for decades.
Great video.
I always liked the idea that the doctor wasn't special. they weren't even clever amongst their time lord peers. It was purely their curiosity and thirst for adventure that made them anywhere near special. The doctor is not a superhero, they're just a person trying their best.
And, frankly, none of the changes ever made (except for the "Other" idea that was never implemented) changed that basic fact.
@@MaryAnnNytowl I guess that's true, even if they do come from another universe.
One of the most annoying things about the Moffat era is how the Doctor is made into something more God-like and special with all the grandiose speeches.
‘He’.
@@daffy8995 this is a misinterpretation. The whole arc is him getting too big and arrogant for his boots, following up on Ten being arrogant and egotistical, and having to calm it down. None of his big moments actually lead him to succeed. In Eleventh Hour, he'd already won and what he did to the Atraxi changed nothing. In Pandorica Opens, he didn't scare them off, they were playing him the whole time and his speech had no impact beyond feeding his growing ego. In Good Man Goes to War, the whole idea is brought to its climax as he fails big time and it's from there that he tries to step back. Then finally in Rings of Akhaten his speech didn't beat the god, it was Clara who came in last minute.
People like to put this on the Eleventh Doctor, but his speeches never really did anything and it was all about his growing ego.
You want to know something weirder than the fact that we didn’t know the name Gallifrey until 1974. We didn’t know what regeneration was until 1974 either. The Doctor just “changed their face. Which means we got a Multi doctor story over a year before someone decided to explain why that was possible in the first place.
I adhere to the "keep it simple" philosophy. There's something really relatable about the Doctor becoming fed up with the bureaucratic , stoic, and stuffy world of the Timelords, and stealing a Tardis to escape and seek adventure in time and space. There have been many times I wish I could do the same.
Excellent video. Personally, the more ambiguous the Doctor’s backstory, the more I enjoy the show. I feel like the Doctor’s heroic nature being something anyone from any background can manifest is truly inspirational.
What makes the Doctor a fascinating and inspirational character is that we see him _become_ a hero, he doesn't start as one. In _An Unearthly Child_ the Doctor is not a good person, he kidnaps Ian and Barbara in a fit of pique and seems intent on bashing a man's head in with a rock. But over the course of the 1960s he changes and shifts in his personality and attitude, and he takes us along for the ride.
I think the "I made a jigsaw out of your history" thing in "The Giggle" was nice, I think that's a cute idea, that actually we're not trying to make all of this consistent, its just that the Doctor's timeline has been screwed up in cosmic ways, so it can all be true at once. Lovely!
Thank you for simply presenting a case study on the many-conflicting origin stories that the Doctor has had rather than getting into an extended rant that bashes some interesting new directions a Head Writer has taken the show in.
Extra fun notes: In the draft scripts for Power of the Daleks, David Whitaker revealed that the Doctor had been "renewed" several times in the past, and that it happened roughly every five centuries.
Whitaker scripts also specified the Doctor's age as 750, included various references to his granddaughter Susan (although the Doctor no longer was able to recall where he left her), and also hinted that it might have been the Daleks who destroyed his homeworld.(the Doctor was still envisaged as being a refugee from the destruction of his home planet during a galactic war).
Another truly excellent video Josh. I've watched Doctor Who since November 23 1963 and being a child in the 60s was so exciting with the Hartnell and Troughton stories (hard to believe that you watched them on a Saturday teatime and then that was it. No other means of watching them again at the time!). Furthermore, I still remember the sheer excitement of opening the latest Doctor Who annual every Christmas morning! Magical times.
I like the idea of smashing it all together to make it all work in a somewhat complicated way.
Arcs like the Time War, confession dial, River Song, etc. show that you can reintroduce mystery into the character without changing the origin story - have something that happened between seasons, in the character's future, something they're not being honest about. Changes to the origin story are inconsequential because we know future writers will just ignore them and there's never been anything put forward that's better than the classic story you described at the end.
Couldn’t have said it better, props
11:06 Pyramids of Mars. Famous line - "The Earth isnt my home Sarah, I'm not human. I'm a Time Lord, I walk in eternity. "
There was also a really weird backstory written by Anthony Coburn and David Whittaker and sent out to writers at the beginning of the series as a brief. In that one, Susan was the heir the throne of another planet that got invaded, and The Doctor rescued her during the invasion. So they were still on the run, but it was also this monarchical thing that everyone ignored lol
As Dan The Man says, it gives us a real Lift whenever a new Josh Snares video reaches us. He’s very very special, wonderful delivery and style, and well researched. He ought to be an international superstar in broadcasting. For me, he already is. ❤
I really enjoy how well his videos are out together, they have such a professional feel to them.
@@AnotherScifiGuy absolutely mate, that’s the word, professional. World class presentation skills. Cheers.
Watching the show as a youth, I got hooked on the idea that The Doctor was a kind of refugee from his home planet, perhaps escaping a civil war. After all, in what situation would you find a man taking his granddaughter away in a stolen ship -no sign or even talk of his wife or Susan's parents (the unspoken truth being that they are no longer alive).
In multiple situations. If they were both bored, and the Doctor didn't want Susan to have the opportunity to get into as much trouble as him. If he were concerned that Susan would be married to someone too young (we don't know their customs). If he were scared of one of the Timelords having a chance to hurt his granddaughter. If he had been frightened by the very things he was later obsessed with (the Hybrid prophesy, another prophesy, or even fear, itself), even - like in _Listen,_ or _Hell Bent._
And that's just off the top of my head, with only 4½ hours of sleep. 😄 I'm sure there are a ton more possibilities!
I find it fascinating that when asking the question of Who is the Doctor that numerous creators settle on "THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF TIME LORD CREATION" instead of "he's just some guy, you know"
Also, when I read that document and got to the note read aloud at 3:18 I actually spit out my drink. I strive to write something that elicits that type of editor's note.
What worked best about the character of the Doctor as a hero was him NOT being special among his own people, but becoming special through their own courage and choices to intervene rather than stand back and observe. Anyone could be like the doctor by choosing to be that way.
Making the character destined to be special from their beginning completely collapses anything about them that is actually special, and turns them into a tedious mary sue. Only the doctor can then be the doctor because they were literally born superior.
Agree completely.
I think being the Timeless Child only makes the Doctor special on a superficial level. They *thought* they were like any other Time Lord and the vast majority of the other Time Lords also had no idea they were the Timeless Child, so the Doctor still became special through their own courage and morality. Chibnall just didn't highlight that because he's a shallow writer. The Timeless Child "reveal" could lead to great "nature vs nurture vs personal choices" conversations, and I wonder if future writers will grasp that opportunity.
@@Mark-pl3bv This 100%. What most of the fandom doesn't realise is that the Doctor and the Child/Other aren't the same. They're the same person, sure, but they're completely different identities. It doesn't matter how special the Child is, it doesn't make the Doctor any more special.
@@Mark-pl3bv If they are wise they will retcon the timeless child out permanently and unambiguously. it was to Doctor who was as stupid and destructive a retcon as if Agatha Christie had revealed in the 13th Poirot Novel that Poirot was from Alpha Centauri, not Belgium, and Captain Hastings was an android SHE built in her greenhouse.
@@gazda69 They don't "realise" it because that just is not true. its the same character, Chibnal added a backstory most of the fans hated.
I always liked the offhand comment the seventh Doctor makes about the hand of Omega, suggesting that he was there with Rassilon at the Dawn of the Timelords.
Weirdly, that was the biggest issue I had with Chibnal’s story: that the Doctor didn’t know about anything before Hartnell, when the Seventh Doctor has directly referenced it… but then maybe he went & spent time at the Dawn of the Timelords after running away, out of curiosity, & some weird type of manifest destiny.
So far as the half human thing, or many other things, for that matter, there is always rule number one: The Doctor Lies.
It’ll be interesting to see where the next series takes things
actually the whole "half-human" thing was actually addressed in a doctor who comic titled "The Forgotten" the 8th doctor told a friend of his -
"i once convinced my most hated enemy that i was half human with nothing more than a wide eyed expression and a half broken chameleon arch"
So either he forgot and then just remembered, or he was just lying from the start to catch the master off guard during the movie
There was a TV show in the early 80s here in the UK called Sapphire and Steel. The show never explained what or where the two main characters came from, even if they were actually human, during its run. Vague mentions is all we got and the show was so much the better because of not knowing.
Great watch, as always sir.
A very thoughtful roundup of the changes. Everyone who has touched upon the Doctor's origins have very wisely left us asking more questions than we've had answered. Newman's greatest single contribution to his creation was to steer it away from being reactionary, and to emphasize the mystery. He truly knew what he was doing there, and that may be the best evidence to name him as DW's sole creator, as opposed to a group effort.
Nah, I've got to disagree with you. You're forgetting Verity Lambert, David Whitaker, and a bit later, Innes Lloyd, who all had a huge hand in shaping the shows lore.
@@MaryAnnNytowl You can disagree all you want. I would say that Robert Holmes and Terrence Dicks shaped a great deal of the lore, as well. The problem is that only Sydney Newman was present at the creation, and able to hand off a coherent idea for the rest of them to shape. On down to what RTD is planning later this year.
It is true to say that DW has been the product of a number of influences, starting from SN handing off to Lambert and Whittaker. But you can say that for any number of shows that have had multiple production teams.
@@ExoplanetaryMedia2516 how many others that worked on the show in its infancy have ever been incorporated into the lore of the show? First with #10, as a human in Human Nature, when he says his mother's name is Verity.
Then she _and_ Sidney were incorporated into the show with Verity Newman, the great granddaughter of the woman the 'human' Doctor fell in love with in that episode, who - in the episode End of Time - wrote _Journal of Impossible Things,_ the love story of her great grandmother and "the man from the stars."
You have to admit that - even if you want to dismiss Whitaker's and Lloyd's importance to the show - if Sidney Newman was Doctor Who's father, then Verity Lambert was the show's mother.
@@MaryAnnNytowl I don't understand the question.
I'd like to see them tackle the mystery that is Susan as the Doctors granddaughter. It implies that they had a family on Gallifrey before running away. With all of the cameos of old companions popping up in the past few years, why not have a story that has Susan return that somehow explains who she is and why the Doctor took her with him when he left.
Love the combination of humor and information in this one Snares, keep up the great work mate.
It seems like everytime I rewatch a Josh Snares video, they just so happen to upload whilst I’m watching
Today was no exception as I was rewatching the Rob Ritchie interview before getting this notifications. Josh has great timing
Also, this video is another certified banger from a channel of certified bangers
I theorize with each reboot of the (DOCTOR WHO) show series, there’s the chance The-Doctor’s, origin might change, and details about him might have additions added.
Iirc the BBC books has Faction Paradox messing with the Doctor timeline and in one of the books it implied that the “half human “ were the result of the this
The half human thing was mentioned in Hell Bent as a possibility with the Doctor being the hybrid. The Doctor neither confirmed or denied it.
This was not only really interesting but absolutely hilarious. Josh you're wonderful, so glad you're uploading regularly.
Great video, Josh. Kudos on finding the original use of Gallifrey before its use on TV.
I thought I was fairly knowledgeable of trivia relating to DW, but that detail came as a genuine surprise!
@@Redfern42 Me too!
“The Doctor…born to the House of Lungbarrow…Born to a human mother…Not a single one of them seems to agree with any of the others. I find three more birth notices, all in that typical poetic Gallifreyan style, and not a single one of them seems to agree with any of the others. The Doctor attended the Time Lord Academy for twenty years. No, centuries….These aren’t lies…They're all real, except they can't be, except they are.” - Celestial Intervention: A Gallifreyian Noir
Brilliant video Josh!
Real ones know that the doctor is both half-human, and was loomed - The Other is the biological child of Leela and Andred, and was then reincarnated via the looms as Dr. Who
The Doctor does change and he realises that he made mistakes and he/she wants to learn from the mistakes.
I have not heard of "looms" before, thank you for explaining Josh.
Your favorite is so great! Love it!
Very nicely done ... am so enjoying the uplads and especially into this 60th Anniversary year!
after successfully getting my friends into Doctor Who I now need to get them into the (always) high quality videos Josh Snares releases.
Surprisingly I dont hate the timeless children arc, I would very much rather it not be something that is a stated fact. And honestly it isnt a stated fact its just what the master said. But i do like the idea that its a possibility to the doctors origins. I dont think we should ever fully know honestly
Except Tecteun was shown to be real, and she confirmed the portal story, and there's a watch full of memories.
@@Jansenbaker who did she tell that to, and under what circumstances? AND remember that Timelords lie, all the time.
And... that watch... the Doctor did NOT open it, did she? She gave it to the TARDIS, to hide it from herself, because she didn't want to know.
@@MaryAnnNytowl Yeah to me that means that its up to interpretation, they came close but never fully confirmed that what the master said was fully true
My headcanon is that the story told by the Master isn't entirely the truth
I'm not super fond of the story, but your right there's enough that's unclear about the whole thing for me to be able to craft a headcanon that agrees with my tastes. For one I follow with the version told in the 2021 annual (I could be wrong on the year) that says the Timeless Child didn't have infinite regeneration and that twelve is just a natural limit to it, so I then choose to belive that the Doctor has had their regenerations renewed more than once. And the other big thing I belive that is that the world the Timeless child originally came from was a future or parallel Gallifrey, I find it fitting that the Time Lords would come about as a result of a time loop.
I love all the positivity a new Josh Snares video always brings to fandom. So refreshing. Keep up the excellent work!
Fridays are the best. Brilliant video Josh!
thanks crispy 💕💕💕💕
So well done. Great grasp of the big picture and the little details that explain it. Well done.
I like the Timeless Child arc...I think it not only fits, but it has reinstated the mystery of the character of the Doctor...
Yikes. If anything, this video reminds me of the time when the showrunners went as far as to reshoot scenes to ensure vagueness to the Doctor's origin & leaving it to the audience to come up with their own conclusions.
Nah.
Looms are the only part of _Lungbarrow_ that I would actually like...
But regarding origins, I think I follow a more Moffat-like approach, where I take "Doctor Who?" to be more of a character question about personality and motivation and the open future of what he'll become rather than a backstory question about where and when. Questions that we can ask about ourselves sometimes, rather than mere lore.
I greatly prefer the idea that the Doctor's adventures changed him and helped make him what he is. If we had to see his younger self on Gallifrey, I'd prefer to see that he hated travel, generally didn't make any heroic effort to get involved with others' business, etc. It would highlight that contrast and make that change clear.
And I like the idea that we've never had a great explanation for why Susan was with the First Doctor. I take it as evidence that every explanation like "I was bored" was a simple lie, merely offered to shut down conversation rather than really explain things.
The explanation I posited to Carole Ann Ford herself: He was bored, and he saw that Susan was too. He saw that, like himself, she was _nowhere near_ passing at the Academy, so he took her along and stole a TARDIS in order to teach her about the world through experience. Get lost, encounter language barriers, learn by doing. Tune in, turn on, drop out.
I personally think that the fandom's notion of "The Doctor's origin needs to stay a secret at all costs!" is overrated, because there's really no point in keeping the mystery alive if there's no payoff. A 60 year long franchise is going to leave breadcrumbs, that's just how it goes. I like that they've finally actively laid the groundwork for future writers to build on the secret origins of Doctor Who. This can lead to some of the most exciting years of Doctor Who's storytelling history if only the writers (and fans) could grow up and stop dwelling on this weird craving for questions that don't have an answer. Let the show evolve please. It can do so much more than what it has so far.
Chose to speak facts 💯💯
As always, perfect!
I typed out my interpretation, but it was almost 2000 words long 😂Another amazing video! I really enjoy the ambiguity of the Doctor's origin, it could be any number of things, and is sort of like a 'choose your own adventure' type thing.
to me honestly, the timeless child origin is very interesting, it sheds some light on the doctors past but creates new exciting questions, like where is the timeless child from, what is division, what happened there etc...
There may not have been an instance of the Doctor *calling* himself an alien in the classic series, but what about the establishment of him having 2 hearts and blood that isn't a human blood type in "Spearhead from Space?"
I love Josh Snares videos. They’re great. Keep it going, Josh!
A major factor of the Doctor's origins and life that people often overlook is that it is all subject to change within the internal rules of the world itself. Major changes to time have been made just during the Doctor's life. The Time War alone probably means both Daleks and Time Lords have been all but wiped from existence and 'rebooted' multiple times. Practically any contradiction in the sprawling mass of episodes and other media can be described as alternate time lines.
Genesis of the Daleks drastically changes the Daleks. Prior to Genesis, Davros dies right after creating them and they had TARDIS Time capsule tech as good as the Time Lords and were a major threat in multiple eras. After Genesis, with Davros surviving the birth of his creations because of caution that made him install protections in his travel chair over the stories the Doctor told him they are perpetually stunted by their creator's obsessions.
In other words, is the post Dalek conquest future Earth he left Susan on even THERE anymore?
I suppose it's hard to discount the Timeless Child origin, now that the Doctor has met Tecteun. I liked a theory that I read somewhere, that Leela was the Doctors mother.
Oh, my giddy aunt!
I always liked the idea that he's just some time lord who semi-accidentally stumbled into being the doctor, but then realized that he liked doing that. But that's just my headcanon.
But... 'Doctor' is a name chosen, carefully and with much consideration, by the person themselves. They didn't just one day accidentally discover they were being called the Doctor and decided to keep the name.
I like the idea of slowly adding onto the doctors origin, and making it more and more convoluted and contradictory tbh.
Fantastic video, Josh (as usual)! A sign of good things to come this year? Well, when new videos come I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back.
I hope you come back better than #1 did... I mean, the Doctor claimed they would, and never did, through the entirety of what they believed to be their only 12 chances. Even when #10 was going around checking on EVERYone while he was dying, he chose not to go see her. That always bothered me, frankly.
@@MaryAnnNytowl "Until then there shall be no regrets". That line is interesting now. So, he doesn't regret not coming back to see her?
Heeey!! I really enjoy your videos. With the new developments in Doctor Who, I'm looking forward to your future videos!
I still think that the other 8 faces in the Morbius story were Morbius's since he was a time lord and the Doctor thought the bust looked like a renegade time lord. Only way to say otherwise means that Morbius never regenerated.
Excellent video with just one minor omission. The ancient origins of the Doctor were hinted at in a couple of Jon Pertwee stories where he referred to himself as having been a scientist for thousands of years. I'm pretty sure that one of those stories was The Mind of Evil but I am not sure of the other. It could have been the Time Monster or Inferno but I am not sure.
As for the potential immortality of the Timelords Patrick Troughton referred to them as living practically forever, barring accidents I think in The Tomb of the Cybermen. The Deadly Assassin retconned that though, as did later Peter Davison stories.
On the whole, though this is a fantastic video. Very well done indeed.
An excellent video, thanks! 👍
That Doctor Who intro was just *chefs kiss*
What a lot of people forget, where the "half human, on my mother's side" is concerned, as River Song delighted in reminding us, the Doctor lies. And that would work with #8 getting that human to work with him. And I never thought of those extra faces as anything but The Doctor, because we'd already seen all of Morbius' faces before that happened.
I love those early ideas! And the creators' original intentions behind BOM? Wild!!!
This video has made me appreciate The Timeless Child... I did not expect that.
You’ve got serious talent- this could be on the disk as an extra on a blu-ray/DVD!
I think even the current writers know of how confusing it is for the Doctor’s origin, so they made a cheeky nod to it when the Toymaker states that he made his “history into a jigsaw” during the 3rd 14th Doctor Special; as well as dismissing it emotionally through the 15th doctor later on.
It’s like the Doctor saying, “Ok, we have all got our emotional baggage. That was mine & I spent over a regenerated lifetime to sort it out. Let’s go on & have a grand ol’ time exploring, saving folks & ourselves when we can.” Kind of era now with Disney backing up finances for the show.
my favourite tidbid of the Doctor's classic origins was that in the original intended XMAS special in the Hartnell Era was that the Doctor was Cinderella's fairy godmothers ex-husband.
Excellent video, I'd never heard of that original (reactionary) character background for the Doctor.
Did you create the Doctor Who logo/graphics/background animations for this? They are amazing - blue/white/silver with a tinge of gold are my favorite
Since the actors were credited as "Doctor Who " for a long time since classic Era, and I think he signed Dr. W once, and not talking about Cushing's movies, 😄
I think the Doctors origins will always be changing, because in reality no one knows how to describe his origin and now there have been so many, it is just an enigma within a mystery.
It's the Doctor's old friend Winston Churchill's quote, 'a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma,' there!
Great video! There's another origin story alluded to in the New Adventures. You'll love this.
In Human Nature the human Doctor writes a story from his dreams where a Victorian inventor creates a time/space machine in a police box. He travels back in time to a primitive Gallifrey where he teaches the locals time travel and gives them regeneration and a second heart. He then gets bored of his life there so steals one of the time machines to travel the universe.
I believe Steven Moffatt helped contribute to that idea.
There is also the Target novelisation of Remembrance of the Daleks, written by Ben Aaronovitch which predates the New Adventures and was the first to mention 'the Other'.
The half human bit has been discussed in TV in Hell Bent Me specifically mentions it I swear. Great video even the looms diss tho I like them😂😂
Interesting how we finally got a video that brings up why Chris made The Timeless Child arc. And it is interesting.
I never had an issue with the Looms: I quite like them, actually. Why should an alien race conceive children exactly like we do? P.S. In my opinion, the Doctor's past is "multiple choice." Their exact origins aren't set in stone and change constantly due to time travel and multiple parties trying to alter their timeline. This was partially explored in the Doctor Who novel Unnatural History
It's also done excellently in Dave Rudden's Celestial Intervention - A Gallifreyan Noir.
Also, Lungbarrow ends by strongly implying that the Other was half-human anyway.
Now, the one that's *really* wild that nobody ever talks about or acknowledges is Sometime Never, where the only sane conclusion of the madness is that The Doctor is a large shiny crystal duplicate of himself created by a jealous magic dog called Jamais, and Gallifrey has never existed.
@@LightLMN Wait, what??? My knowledge of the novels is pretty basic; is the crystal duplicate you're talking about named Soul?
@@blackphoenix77 It is!
It's so wacky that the wikia barely talks about it, but if memory serves, Jamais gets jealous of his owner's doll so he bites its head off, causing eight crystals trapped inside to fall into the Time Vortex. These crystals become the Council of Eight, including Soul. Sadly, I haven't read much of it myself either, haha.
If you want to know more there is a tumblr that I learned a lot from that talks about it a bit, called doctornomore, under the tag "Sometime Never." (They're a writer for the Faction Paradox spinoff, and know so much about the Whoniverse it's scary.)
@@LightLMN Wow that's so weird.... even weirder than the Looms!
P.S. do you mean doctornolonger? I follow him already but I never saw that tag. (I searched for "doctor no more" on Tumblr and he's the only one who popped up)
Another brilliant video Josh.
The important thing about the Doctor's origin is that we never know for sure.
I like the Doctor's answer when Ashildr asks if he's half human.
"Does it matter?"
AHHH THE LIGHTING
Thanks Josh! For me the biggest mystery about the Doctor is how they seem to age a hundred years everytime they tell us how old they are.
I think at this point the Doctor has genuinely forgotten their true age
Or lose several decades, LOL!
Gotta make space for Big Finish!
Excellent upload. More please .
Lady Peinforte knew his origins in Silver Nemesis. They need to reboot the Chibnall era as a Master trick in the matrix similar to Trial of the Time Lord. If Matt Smith was out of 12 regenerations why did he need a new regeneration cycle thru the crack in time if he was the Timeless Child.
I think your origin at the end is spot on. ✔️
I love how you loving Nyasia was a joke in till it got out of hand and josh just went along with it😂
A couple of things you missed, had Roger Delgado not been killed it would have been revealed that he hand The Doctor are brothers.
Some also point to The Rani’s comments in ‘Mark of The Rani’ confirming this.
The Rani is also supposed to have discovered regeneration something that the doctor was around for making them significantly older. This is part of The Other.
Excellent video!
I'm a fan of the Ouroborus fan origin stories for the Doctor is that the Doctor will return to being the Timeless Child after hundreds, possibly thousands of incarnation.
This video helps me better understand the Timeless Child better and seems to better sense now.
Josh has a merch goldmine right there behind him.
The round things! I love the round things! What are the round things?
I don't care I just want a curtain with round things on.
Wonderul fun video Josh! I love all origins even the silly one that was initially a part of the TV movie that got cut! I'm happy with the timeless child but i am also happy without it. The show is fun with that and I hope we never really get an origin. Also, get those STINKY looms out of my face.
Very well done video! I think that the doctor's origin is sort of like the joker's, it can be multiple choice! It's up to the viewer really. The only thing that matters is that they're the doctor. And they will never ever stop.
I wouldn't mind looms as an additional method, like creating new adults to fight the Time War.
This is excellent!
you're back!!!
Got derailed 18 seconds in. Became temporarily obsessed with that fantastic quilted jacket Sarah Jane is wearing in that brief "Brain of Morbius" screen shot. :D
Would love to see another fashion-focused vid for Sarah Jane's outfits!
Good video as always 😁 I think you’re unfair on the Looms idea, it gives the Time Lords a tragedy in their omnipotence and in no way precludes the idea of sex or children. I always think the best way to enjoy DW is pick and choose what you like.
The Doctor is definitely confirmed to not be human in the classic series, not just the new series. Although it's not explicit until the 2nd or 3rd Doctor
Well... confirmed to not be a "pure-blood" human being from Earth, at least. 🤣
I really wonder how long Newman thought Dr. Who would last in the new world of episodic TV. It went supernova!!
The seventh doctor scene in rememberance of the daleks was not cut?
And also Terrence Dicks and elsewhere had officially confirmed the morbius regenerations as being regenerations of morbius it wasn't just fan speculation or assertion
This is a great video.
Amazing video as usual
"I'll take a good-hearted weirdo any day". I get that it's how the Doctor applies his/her skills, values and overall attitude in the face of adversity that matters the most in why we are so endeared to this character. It still doesn't cease to irritate me, how Chibnall pretty much muddied about 60 years worth of continuity, for the sake of one story. But I suppose that's just par for the course for any narrative that runs long enough and is passed through a lot of people. In the long run, you the fan, will be punished for ever paying attention in the first place. On a side note, I don't think the Doctor's name from The Time Lord Academy, Theta Sigma (or Thete, as Drax preferred to call him) was mentioned.