Funny: I did some tests with a professional team in the local university ... I pick up sounds to 8, even 7 Hz ... . And as high as 23KHz. This ain't funny, right? Well then: Here's the really funny bit: My MIDRANGE is mere 30% compared to that of others ... . o_O Quite very literally: I am TONE DEAF (Well, Tone Hearing Impaired, more correctly, deaf means NO sound (in a certain range, when it comes to Tone Deafness. Red.).
You actualy just hear the sound of evrything in the house vibrating, I just can imagine how you feel this vibrating your internal organs. It made me thinking about a certain class of locomotive in Belgium some 15 years ago that doubleheaded on a steep incline. Their engines would do 875 rpm at full power, with 8 cylinders and a four stroke cycle that did give a lowest exhaust pitch of 22.5Hz (plus all harmonics, as it is not a pure tone), this couldn't realy be heard but you could feel these locomotives in your chest long before you heard al the other noises of the train aproaching. That frequenty would therefore be somewhere between a 16' and 32' stop.
This is a very rare treat to see and hear how extremely low a pipe organ can play. I am sure it sounds incredible in person in the room with such an amazing Instrument
It's what is known as the King of Instruments - it's an organ: but people hear organs less nowadays because - church attendance has fallen, - many churches have abandoned their organs for bad and temporary electronics, or drums and guitars, - many church organs are played badly by pianists who don't know what splendid repertoire there is for the King of Instruments - organs are no longer heard in cinemas So go seek out a place with an organ - and make sure it's played well!
This is what I love in German churches. Every after Sunday services, they play the pipe organ. I missed listening to it as the bass sounds feel like drumming my soul.
:-) Yes! The instrument is meant to be fun - an experiment of everything you always wanted to be on an organ! The result of this is that perhaps one can make better decisions in specifying a pipe organ to be built . . .
:-) Thanks! My sons prefer the name "Self Destruct" as they say that any other name is too serious. However, at the entrance of the house we have two wonderful Wellingtonia (Sequoia) trees that are around 120 ft high. So I thought that the "Wellingtonia" would be an appropriate name, although the boys are firmly fixed on "Self Destruct". Over the weekend, Jeremy Filsell did a most wonderful recital here and used the stop rather more than I had ever expected or dreamed. It was felt and musical
Thanks for showing...very interesting that while on their own the 64' and 128' pipes sound like a pointless racket, but when combined with other ranks, adds to the 'majesty' of the sound.
Because there has been no evolutionary benefit to complicate the organ (no pun intended) to hear that range. Nothing dumb about that; unnecessary features still cost something, and over time evolution tends to optimize unused things away.
The fundamental is inaudible but you can hear the overtones (what we are able to hear here,) but the difference is that a fundamental of 4 or 8 hertz can,rather than being heard through our ears, be felt throughout our whole body. That unfortunately cannot be recreated through a youtube video.
I absolutely love your work and experiments with pipe organ and also speaker representations of pipe organ sounds. I look forward to more even though I know this is a 10 year old video. All the best, Steven
This thing is just awesome. I've only heard of one organ with even a 64-foot stop, but wow. This would be amazing to feel (or play). I'm jealous and want to build an organ like this, or rather learn how to do something like that. Would be a real challenge and something I'd most certainly enjoy.
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing with us. I've never heard a 128' before, but I have heard a 64' - but even on my internet speakers - your setup sounded great! And, I like your organ, too (the one with the keyboard!)
Its about math and physics. A 4hz stop has the wavelength of 274 feet peek to peek. So that means the gang bangers with the bolt shaker speakers in the trunk don't really feel the bass they create and someone 200 feet away are hit with the full energy of the wave. These factors are designed into any modern pipe organ and its why they do a lot of sound engineering prior to even pouring out the pipes to be made. The diameter and length of the pipes will be done on a modern CAD system that will wind up with the most acoustically perfect organ you can have for that space. I figure this is what Rufatti is doing in Italy to the Hazel Wright organ from Christ's Cathedral. Maybe they are using slide rule calculators or just good old intuition.
When talking physics, please note that the addition 'peek to peek' is irrelevant for the definition of wavelenght. Furthermore, I assume that you mean 'peak' instead of 'peek', the latter of which also has a physical meaning but probably not the one that you are looking for.
Yes - actually the note middle C used to be 256Hz, upper C 512Hz and A was at 435Hz (if I remember correctly). Then central heating came into concert halls and raised the temperature from 15 to 20 degrees and the oboe went up to 440Hz. But one can take C=256 as an approximation for these purposes. So 4Hz is 6 octaves below middle C, 2Hz is 7 and 1Hz is 8 octaves below, on a theoretical pipe length of 512ft! The symmetry of these numbers based on time, wavelength and speed of sound is curious!
I remember experimenting with an electric bass guitar plugged into my hi fi system and large floor standing speakers. I loosened the lowest string while plucking it producing some really low notes and damn, everything in the room rattled as it sucked all the power from my amplifier.
Call me heathen, but we get the same kinds of sound/vibrations from a four-inch exhaust on a tuned Impreza (64ft sound) and from diesel boat engines of a capacity greater than 20 litres at idle (128ft sound), right down to the "tappet noise"! In fact it was very interesting to observe virtually the same collateral effect on objects in close range from the sound vibrations generated in the pipes. Thanks for the post!
It's a historic house in Sussex which is open to the public in the summer and where we try to show people why "heritage" of the past is relevant, why it should be preserved and where we promote concerts and musicians. We hope that by exploring the cutting edge of presenting what is often considered "uncool" with scholarly enthusiasm we can add new dimensions of musical experience which makes it greatly exciting.
+Robert Woodley the board walk hall organ is approx 60% restored they have both left and right stage swells operational have added swell shade doors to all echo chambers as well they have rebuilt the blowers and refurbished all the key/foot boards of the 7 manual console. they have replaced the left stage relays with modern solid state and have made it functional with the existing mechanical relays throughout the arena. project is expected to wrap up end of next year provided finding and volunteer work keep going at the pace it is. I visited the arena last august and got to work on the organ a little and learned allot. I'm a huge fan of pipe organs such as the theater organ in the organ loft in down town SLC
+Anthony Morrison: I'm replying to your comment from two years ago. What progress has been made on the organ since then, and how much of it is playable? Also, is the 64' back to playable condition? I think it's called a "Contra Diaphone," right? I don't remember. And the Tuba Imperial and Ophicleide? Are those the only two stops voiced on 100" wind? I almost forgot! The Baldwin organ... was that one also restored?
ah..... the limits....your mic... my computer speakers. So cool to feel the pulses, and see everything vibrating. Betting you could feel it in your chest cavity as well.
Actually the 64' gravissima on the wanamaker organ is translated in english to Harmonic Bass or Acoustic Bass. This means that it is a RESAULTANT OF A 32' Stop and another stop. So it isn't real. Plus there are more than two organs with a 64' stop. The two with a complete 64' rank are in america and Australia.
It's coming out of one of the speakers that is pictured in the Video Response above. The frequency can be generated from the sounds of pipes and then put through a speaker such as this. Thigpen speakers are not necessary for this - louder than this would be wholly unmusical, but when felt at the level set at Hammerwood Park, the feeling makes musical sense. The advantage of deriving the frequency from existing pipes means that the sound is in tune. "Tuning" these pitches would be hell
All the knobs you see on an organ are the stops. Each stop has a different sound, and often a different pitch. They are labelled with numbers - 16, 8, 4, 2 2/3, 2, 1 1/3, 1. These refer to the length of a pipe playing the bottom C on the keyboard. 8ft is standard pitch, 4ft is an octave up, 16ft an octave down - so you get the picture. 32ft is two octaves down, 64 and 128 are 3 and 4 down. Then each pitch comes in different tones, Principal, Flute, Stopped or Reeds like trumpets and oboes.
I have to agree the recording deficiencies and following compression, storage, retrieval, decompression, and reproduction on inadequate consumer-grade electronic sound reproduction gear is going to impact the ability to experience what you have done there. That being said, I have auditioned material played on that organ as equipped with the 128' stop and the effect IS noticeable. Obviously not a "note", definitely an "effect", somewhat percussive but without the attack of percussion.
@Enantiodromialist This is a simulation of 128ft using frequency division in order to test what musical effect or purpose such low frequencies can be to music and whether they have any place at all. Look for "Latrobian Whirl" where the 128ft was used on certain large notes. Other concerts have used it - possibly Ben Scott - search "Ben Scott Widor Toccata 5th Symphonie" as he's likely to have used it on that. The instrument is intended to allow experiment as well as demonstrating the repertoire
I can imagine putting these to use in my forthcoming Tetragrammaton oratorio cycle, to provide that quaking feeling under the floor at the most 'mysterium tremendum' moments. I've always wondered where the limit of organ pedal stops is.
Yes! Most of the walls are really solid but that one in the corner is a plasterboard partition. I have had to inject expanding foam to stick it together and stabilise it - and this has worked. The room has a copy of the Parthenon Frieze - heavy plaster panels - and we have inserted additional supports into the walls all the way round. So fingers crossed. With the speaker arrangement detailed in the Video Response above we don't need an Ogle & Marshalltree Thigpen to produce a musical result.
Many smaller organs utilize a pedal stop called a "Resultant." It consisted of two pipes, one pitched at 16' and one pitched at 10 2/3'...which plays a fifth above. The "resultant" is a beat that suggests a 32' pitch. It's not perfect, but it does allow that lower pitch without requiring the space or air supply of the full sized pipe. The same concept was used to create a "cornette"...five flue pipes playing together, pitched so they created a fake reed stop.
Hi! Yes - I have posted the "preparation" video which shows the speaker. It's in the corner of the room - and that makes it more efficient also. The infinite baffle is made by venting the speaker into the sub-floor space and at the concert at the weekend it was really effective. It's so efficient that at more than 10W it would shake the house to pieces, so I'm using a perfectly ordinary 30W hi-fi amplifier.
:-) Well that's exactly why I wanted to carry out the experiment. In fact it does actually harmonically support chords above it. Have a listen to "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on some notes if your speakers can cope.
@Desmaad Yes - lucky to have space - but such luck imposes a responsibility to use it well - and this instrument is to raise the profile and appreciation of organ music and repertoire. If you look at the Organ Matters website, and the posting "too late" you'll see why I have created this instrument with such passion. It was 3 manuals when I first acquired it and I added the further two . . .
Hi! It would certainly have been coupled into a 32ft pitch - whether or not any higher ones I haven't a clue . . . Glad that this has produced some amusement - I always wondered what it would really "sound" like
I'm wondering what *new material* might be required to construct a rank of *real 128' pipes?* Is it possible that wood, or the usual tin/lead alloy, would begin to *catastrophically come apart* -- sooner rather than later? Perhaps some *carbon fiber/metal composite* (similar to what's used in modern passenger aircraft construction) might hold up to such low frequencies? Or would we have to settle for a "speakers only" electronic version? Or could there be a *stopped* 64' rank (e.g., Bourdon or Quintaton type) producing a pitch *one octave lower* than the actual 64'' length... thereby producing a 128' pitch... Like a 16' stopped Bourdon *sounds* at 32' pitch? Lots of interesting questions.... I can only imagine this sort of sub-sub-sub pedal stop being used effectively, and to best advantage, in a *hugely resonant cathedral.* But, musically speaking, a good *32' flue and 32' Reed* are all that are required for producing goosebumps!
+Bob H: I would think if you constructed something similar to the 64' diaphone in Boardwalk Hall, then put stoppers in the pipes, you could probably extend the pitch down one octave. You might have to increase the wind, though, probably from 35" to 50" water pressure, and you would probably have to secure the stoppers somehow so the higher wind pressure doesn't blow them out.
The 4 and 8Hz option tell us that this will not find a place on a CD (lowest freq.is 20Hz). But can be experienced near the instrument itself. So much for CD's.
Hi! Yes - it's an electronic trick I'm using which is quite effective and remarkably musical underpinning full organ. I have an idea that it's possible to add these deep pitches to pipes also without adding digital stops.
!!! The tr808 only goes down to just below 20Hz - this produces 8Hz with 4Hz undertones and is being fed only by around 20W, for musical effect. If we put more power through the speakers (two at 200 Watts), we'd vibrate the building down. The effect to be achieved by this is a feeling rather than a sound and an aural sensation that underpins the higher frequencies of the organ.
@JNozum Hi! Yes! And now I have the Tuba stop on the Choir, as it should be, able to compete with the whole of the rest of the organ put together. This instrument is now starting to sound very fine - see "French Baroque Masterclass" "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" to hear it being put through its paces. It's much much better now than it was when some of the earlier UA-cam recordings were done on it.
Whilst thinking that these sounds are apparently unmusical, on full organ they really add brilliantly. Jeremy Filsell performed on the instrument last week - and used the stop rather more than I had expected. I started the 64/128ft work really partly as a bit of a joke, and partly to see what it would sound like but it really added beautifully to the music and was felt. This could be added to pipe organs also without resorting to digital tone generation.
Fascinating. I'm sure the effect is quite dramatic in real life. However, prior to exposure, I would advise caution if having eaten a strong curry the night before!
One can create an impression of a 32' by only using 16' stops on the pedals. Just add a perfect fourth lower and strengthen the main note with an 8' stops (reed) on the manuals.
@GJmusique Yes - my wife thought I'd started the deisel Unimog engine. But it's an experiment to see what these frequencies add. Strangely in use they mathematically underpin harmony above.
At Hammerwood Park near East Grinstead. All organists are welcome to come and practice by mutual arrangement - most times are convenient. And if anyone likes to play informally over tea on a Wednesday or Saturday afternoon at 3.30pm after a 2pm guided tour from June to the end of September, the purpose of the instrument is to introduce the organ as an instrument to people: many people not having experienced organs in church nor in cinemas nowadays are entirely unaware of the King of Instruments
"most unmusical, but great fun", LOL
Yes
"I'm about interrupt the migratory patterns of whales all across the world by playing a single note with my foot"
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Maybe if the note was coming from the extreme upper end of keyboard.
That’s funny!
Yes, you can't hear it. But you can FEEL it, and that will dramatically increase the emotional impact of the musical piece.
I hate anything over 16‘ 32+ just freaks me out and makes me think I’m going to break something
It's always very emotional when you accidentally crush your cathedral.
@@SoggySandwich80 ah you again, harpsichord & organ right?
Funny:
I did some tests with a professional team in the local university ... I pick up sounds to 8, even 7 Hz ... .
And as high as 23KHz.
This ain't funny, right?
Well then:
Here's the really funny bit:
My MIDRANGE is mere 30% compared to that of others ... . o_O
Quite very literally:
I am TONE DEAF (Well, Tone Hearing Impaired, more correctly, deaf means NO sound (in a certain range, when it comes to Tone Deafness. Red.).
Betcha he never has to dust anything in his house ...
You actualy just hear the sound of evrything in the house vibrating, I just can imagine how you feel this vibrating your internal organs.
It made me thinking about a certain class of locomotive in Belgium some 15 years ago that doubleheaded on a steep incline.
Their engines would do 875 rpm at full power, with 8 cylinders and a four stroke cycle that did give a lowest exhaust pitch of 22.5Hz (plus all harmonics, as it is not a pure tone), this couldn't realy be heard but you could feel these locomotives in your chest long before you heard al the other noises of the train aproaching.
That frequenty would therefore be somewhere between a 16' and 32' stop.
This is a very rare treat to see and hear how extremely low a pipe organ can play. I am sure it sounds incredible in person in the room with such an amazing Instrument
I wish I had more neighbors like this.
It's what is known as the King of Instruments - it's an organ: but people hear organs less nowadays because
- church attendance has fallen,
- many churches have abandoned their organs for bad and temporary electronics, or drums and guitars,
- many church organs are played badly by pianists who don't know what splendid repertoire there is for the King of Instruments
- organs are no longer heard in cinemas
So go seek out a place with an organ - and make sure it's played well!
This is what I love in German churches. Every after Sunday services, they play the pipe organ. I missed listening to it as the bass sounds feel like drumming my soul.
Ahh HUH AHH HUH AHH HUH
Ahh HUH AHH HUH AHH HUH AHH HUH
You need to watch Interstellar.
and i've heard organists play the piano terribly, but that isn't a valid reason for pianos dying
lmao use the 4hz as a metronome
Omg yess
lol
4hz it's technically 240 bpm, pretty fast uh.
@@ramiro_echeverriahalf time! 120! easy peasy!
Fun fact, every one of us have something that plays the C-4 note. It is called a clock.
Phone speeker didn't work, headphones didn't work, in the end I just plugged it into my guitar amp
:-) Yes! The instrument is meant to be fun - an experiment of everything you always wanted to be on an organ! The result of this is that perhaps one can make better decisions in specifying a pipe organ to be built . . .
This was a really fun video! I love it :-)
I reckon that at 128' and 64' the name "Earthquake" would be quite appropriate
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"OKLAHOMA YES YES" is more fitting, sir.
@@cobalt._.27 yes
How about Chile 1960?
I Freakin LOVE this guy!!!! He's like the Mad Scientist of the organ.
:-) Thanks! My sons prefer the name "Self Destruct" as they say that any other name is too serious. However, at the entrance of the house we have two wonderful Wellingtonia (Sequoia) trees that are around 120 ft high. So I thought that the "Wellingtonia" would be an appropriate name, although the boys are firmly fixed on "Self Destruct".
Over the weekend, Jeremy Filsell did a most wonderful recital here and used the stop rather more than I had ever expected or dreamed. It was felt and musical
"Most unmusical, but great fun".
*EVERYONE LIKED THAT*
Thanks for showing...very interesting that while on their own the 64' and 128' pipes sound like a pointless racket, but when combined with other ranks, adds to the 'majesty' of the sound.
8 Hz is around a C-1, 4 Hz is around a C-2. Inaudible, but still impressive.
Because there has been no evolutionary benefit to complicate the organ (no pun intended) to hear that range. Nothing dumb about that; unnecessary features still cost something, and over time evolution tends to optimize unused things away.
The fundamental is inaudible but you can hear the overtones (what we are able to hear here,) but the difference is that a fundamental of 4 or 8 hertz can,rather than being heard through our ears, be felt throughout our whole body. That unfortunately cannot be recreated through a youtube video.
It's been about six years since I first saw this video, and still I am impressed.
I absolutely love your work and experiments with pipe organ and also speaker representations of pipe organ sounds. I look forward to more even though I know this is a 10 year old video. All the best, Steven
"most unmusical but great fun" haha
one of my speakers blew listening to this.....
This thing is just awesome. I've only heard of one organ with even a 64-foot stop, but wow. This would be amazing to feel (or play). I'm jealous and want to build an organ like this, or rather learn how to do something like that. Would be a real challenge and something I'd most certainly enjoy.
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing with us. I've never heard a 128' before, but I have heard a 64' - but even on my internet speakers - your setup sounded great! And, I like your organ, too (the one with the keyboard!)
Literally fantastic. I wonder what it would do to a building's foundations?
Fun fact, this came out the day I was born. To the month. To the year.
In all seriousness, organs absolutely baffle me. Beautiful stuff
128 feet? How is your house still intact after that?
it's made of Wyoming Yes.
It's a digital rank, not a physical one, so it doesn't require additional space. The Makin is a digital organ.
@@pjclutterbuck230473 Josh was probably referring to the sound waves not destroying the house
Now play C and C# together.
theRealPlaidRabbit 17/16 polyrhythms are fun
That makes T for Trenta.
You. You are the definition of a madman
@@ColgateLP are you talking about me? if so, then LOUISIANA PURCHASE
@@cobalt._.27 nah mate 'tis just Coloransas (Colorado / Kansas mixed together)
Love the whole experiment take on the build up.
You should have made a small documentary of the build so the whole world could see
your mad skills :)
Its about math and physics. A 4hz stop has the wavelength of 274 feet peek to peek. So that means the gang bangers with the bolt shaker speakers in the trunk don't really feel the bass they create and someone 200 feet away are hit with the full energy of the wave. These factors are designed into any modern pipe organ and its why they do a lot of sound engineering prior to even pouring out the pipes to be made. The diameter and length of the pipes will be done on a modern CAD system that will wind up with the most acoustically perfect organ you can have for that space. I figure this is what Rufatti is doing in Italy to the Hazel Wright organ from Christ's Cathedral. Maybe they are using slide rule calculators or just good old intuition.
+Burt Ward The Sydney Town Hall organ 64' stop rarely gets used because it actually started damaging the buildings around the hall.
+Burt Ward The Sydney Town Hall organ 64' stop rarely gets used because it actually started damaging the buildings around the hall.
CorvetteCoonass 😂damn. That's very powerful. Lmao
You are right on the money. This is also the same reason a tuba sounds tiny in a bedroom but sounds huge in a concert hall.
When talking physics, please note that the addition 'peek to peek' is irrelevant for the definition of wavelenght. Furthermore, I assume that you mean 'peak' instead of 'peek', the latter of which also has a physical meaning but probably not the one that you are looking for.
Yes - actually the note middle C used to be 256Hz, upper C 512Hz and A was at 435Hz (if I remember correctly). Then central heating came into concert halls and raised the temperature from 15 to 20 degrees and the oboe went up to 440Hz. But one can take C=256 as an approximation for these purposes. So 4Hz is 6 octaves below middle C, 2Hz is 7 and 1Hz is 8 octaves below, on a theoretical pipe length of 512ft! The symmetry of these numbers based on time, wavelength and speed of sound is curious!
I remember experimenting with an electric bass guitar plugged into my hi fi system and large floor standing speakers. I loosened the lowest string while plucking it producing some really low notes and damn, everything in the room rattled as it sucked all the power from my amplifier.
sounds like something that someone from Wyoming would do, being a Wyomingite myself, that sounds like something that I would do.
It's all fun and games until the organist next door hits the brown note when you're sipping your morning coffee.
Call me heathen, but we get the same kinds of sound/vibrations from a four-inch exhaust on a tuned Impreza (64ft sound) and from diesel boat engines of a capacity greater than 20 litres at idle (128ft sound), right down to the "tappet noise"! In fact it was very interesting to observe virtually the same collateral effect on objects in close range from the sound vibrations generated in the pipes. Thanks for the post!
It's a historic house in Sussex which is open to the public in the summer and where we try to show people why "heritage" of the past is relevant, why it should be preserved and where we promote concerts and musicians. We hope that by exploring the cutting edge of presenting what is often considered "uncool" with scholarly enthusiasm we can add new dimensions of musical experience which makes it greatly exciting.
Wonderful feeling to feel the 32' stops shaking the place in tune with the higher pitched pedal pipes.
Does the USGS take into consideration their seismic measurements when you play that monster?
We have a real 64' in Sydney!
There's also one in Atlantic City
+Shining Armor The Sydney organ has been fully restored, but I believe the Atlantic City organ is in a poor state?
+Robert Woodley yes, but the 64' was one of the first ranks to be fixed
+Robert Woodley the board walk hall organ is approx 60% restored they have both left and right stage swells operational have added swell shade doors to all echo chambers as well they have rebuilt the blowers and refurbished all the key/foot boards of the 7 manual console. they have replaced the left stage relays with modern solid state and have made it functional with the existing mechanical relays throughout the arena. project is expected to wrap up end of next year provided finding and volunteer work keep going at the pace it is. I visited the arena last august and got to work on the organ a little and learned allot. I'm a huge fan of pipe organs such as the theater organ in the organ loft in down town SLC
+Anthony Morrison: I'm replying to your comment from two years ago. What progress has been made on the organ since then, and how much of it is playable?
Also, is the 64' back to playable condition? I think it's called a "Contra Diaphone," right? I don't remember. And the Tuba Imperial and Ophicleide? Are those the only two stops voiced on 100" wind?
I almost forgot! The Baldwin organ... was that one also restored?
ah..... the limits....your mic... my computer speakers. So cool to feel the pulses, and see everything vibrating. Betting you could feel it in your chest cavity as well.
Actually the 64' gravissima on the wanamaker organ is translated in english to Harmonic Bass or Acoustic Bass. This means that it is a RESAULTANT OF A 32' Stop and another stop. So it isn't real. Plus there are more than two organs with a 64' stop. The two with a complete 64' rank are in america and Australia.
Yes - it is an infinite baffle! That's why it shakes so successfully!
My subwoofer was making my room shake while you were playing this.
I don't know why but the deep organ bass is soooo where I want to live, It even helps me sleep
Im gonna go over for the full tour one day, but ill wait till its playing (at least in part) again.
It's coming out of one of the speakers that is pictured in the Video Response above. The frequency can be generated from the sounds of pipes and then put through a speaker such as this. Thigpen speakers are not necessary for this - louder than this would be wholly unmusical, but when felt at the level set at Hammerwood Park, the feeling makes musical sense.
The advantage of deriving the frequency from existing pipes means that the sound is in tune. "Tuning" these pitches would be hell
All the knobs you see on an organ are the stops. Each stop has a different sound, and often a different pitch. They are labelled with numbers - 16, 8, 4, 2 2/3, 2, 1 1/3, 1. These refer to the length of a pipe playing the bottom C on the keyboard. 8ft is standard pitch, 4ft is an octave up, 16ft an octave down - so you get the picture. 32ft is two octaves down, 64 and 128 are 3 and 4 down. Then each pitch comes in different tones, Principal, Flute, Stopped or Reeds like trumpets and oboes.
I have no idea who this guy is or what in the world this organ is. But I do find him as entertaining as he is innovative.
It's like a minor earthquake: just enough to rattle things around.
I have to agree the recording deficiencies and following compression, storage, retrieval, decompression, and reproduction on inadequate consumer-grade electronic sound reproduction gear is going to impact the ability to experience what you have done there. That being said, I have auditioned material played on that organ as equipped with the 128' stop and the effect IS noticeable. Obviously not a "note", definitely an "effect", somewhat percussive but without the attack of percussion.
Wow! That really rattles the devil and the dust out of my sub woofer!! cheers!
@Enantiodromialist This is a simulation of 128ft using frequency division in order to test what musical effect or purpose such low frequencies can be to music and whether they have any place at all. Look for "Latrobian Whirl" where the 128ft was used on certain large notes. Other concerts have used it - possibly Ben Scott - search "Ben Scott Widor Toccata 5th Symphonie" as he's likely to have used it on that. The instrument is intended to allow experiment as well as demonstrating the repertoire
I can imagine putting these to use in my forthcoming Tetragrammaton oratorio cycle, to provide that quaking feeling under the floor at the most 'mysterium tremendum' moments. I've always wondered where the limit of organ pedal stops is.
That instrument is WILD! Unfortunately I have not come over to America to experience it - but one day would love to.
64' C-1 (8.175 Hz) 0:25
128' C-2 (4.087 Hz) 1:05
4Hz??! How do u even hear that
@generaliroh842 That's the neat part. You don't.
Yes! Most of the walls are really solid but that one in the corner is a plasterboard partition. I have had to inject expanding foam to stick it together and stabilise it - and this has worked. The room has a copy of the Parthenon Frieze - heavy plaster panels - and we have inserted additional supports into the walls all the way round. So fingers crossed. With the speaker arrangement detailed in the Video Response above we don't need an Ogle & Marshalltree Thigpen to produce a musical result.
You could make a heck of a D 'n' B song with that sucker. NICE!
Many smaller organs utilize a pedal stop called a "Resultant." It consisted of two pipes, one pitched at 16' and one pitched at 10 2/3'...which plays a fifth above. The "resultant" is a beat that suggests a 32' pitch. It's not perfect, but it does allow that lower pitch without requiring the space or air supply of the full sized pipe. The same concept was used to create a "cornette"...five flue pipes playing together, pitched so they created a fake reed stop.
Wonder how this kind of sound would work for relieving constipation? Or, kidney stones?
Hi!
Yes - I have posted the "preparation" video which shows the speaker. It's in the corner of the room - and that makes it more efficient also. The infinite baffle is made by venting the speaker into the sub-floor space and at the concert at the weekend it was really effective. It's so efficient that at more than 10W it would shake the house to pieces, so I'm using a perfectly ordinary 30W hi-fi amplifier.
This is an absolute classic!
Cool. It would be so interesting to try that out with pipes...
@djttv Hi! This is actually an electronic experiment to see what the effect would be were one to build real pipes for these frequencies
Yes! Great fun and absurd. The musical effect really depends on it not being too heavy and then on full organ it adds surprisingly musically.
WHOAW!!!😲 I think you just rolled my socks down with those notes!!!🙄
if you were there, you would feel and hear this MUCH more-microphones just can't go that low too well...
:-) Well that's exactly why I wanted to carry out the experiment. In fact it does actually harmonically support chords above it. Have a listen to "Latrobian Dionysan Whirl" and you'll hear it in use on some notes if your speakers can cope.
I want one of these in my bedroom! Divine with those lower registers! As if a God has walked into the room!
Stop playing with your organ. You'll go blind.
Ah, someone else thinks that's funny. Thank you. I actually own an organ and I make that joke all the time. No one ever gets it.
How can you go blind by playing an organ?
Aqua Serpents Galore!
Penis joke
You mean deaf?
@TheElectronicaman Perfect application for a rotary woofer I do agree.
Well, hello, glad to see my "Casavant Dynamic Accentuator" experiment has inspired others! Cheers!!
@Desmaad Yes - lucky to have space - but such luck imposes a responsibility to use it well - and this instrument is to raise the profile and appreciation of organ music and repertoire. If you look at the Organ Matters website, and the posting "too late" you'll see why I have created this instrument with such passion. It was 3 manuals when I first acquired it and I added the further two . . .
helo david, adam from wales here, it sounds great here on my system
Hi! It would certainly have been coupled into a 32ft pitch - whether or not any higher ones I haven't a clue . . . Glad that this has produced some amusement - I always wondered what it would really "sound" like
I'm wondering what *new material* might be required to construct a rank of *real 128' pipes?*
Is it possible that wood, or the usual tin/lead alloy, would begin to *catastrophically come apart* -- sooner rather than later?
Perhaps some *carbon fiber/metal composite* (similar to what's used in modern passenger aircraft construction) might hold up to such low frequencies? Or would we have to settle for a "speakers only" electronic version?
Or could there be a *stopped* 64' rank (e.g., Bourdon or Quintaton type) producing a pitch *one octave lower* than the actual 64'' length... thereby producing a 128' pitch... Like a 16' stopped Bourdon *sounds* at 32' pitch?
Lots of interesting questions....
I can only imagine this sort of sub-sub-sub pedal stop being used effectively, and to best advantage, in a *hugely resonant cathedral.*
But, musically speaking, a good *32' flue and 32' Reed* are all that are required for producing goosebumps!
+Bob H: I would think if you constructed something similar to the 64' diaphone in Boardwalk Hall, then put stoppers in the pipes, you could probably extend the pitch down one octave. You might have to increase the wind, though, probably from 35" to 50" water pressure, and you would probably have to secure the stoppers somehow so the higher wind pressure doesn't blow them out.
The 4 and 8Hz option tell us that this will not find a place on a CD (lowest freq.is 20Hz). But can be experienced near the instrument itself. So much for CD's.
Yes! Fantastic! There aren't many real ones but certainly Sidney does!
Hi! Yes - it's an electronic trick I'm using which is quite effective and remarkably musical underpinning full organ. I have an idea that it's possible to add these deep pitches to pipes also without adding digital stops.
My man is going down to Beryllium with this one. BERYLLIUM.
Very interesting effect. ! The bas sounds more deeply :)
What about 256'?
If you can afford a thigpen rotary woofer, be my guest! I'd love to see one!
F_A_B123 356'?
526'?
call it the "Turbo Earthquake Blaster Apocalypse Internal Organ Blender."
CB PolarBear ultrasonic?
sounds like a big block engine ideling. thats music to my ears
I bet the neighbors love him
Rumor has it. The whole city in which this organ's in had cracks and some collapsed, after he pulled out the 128ft.
!!! The tr808 only goes down to just below 20Hz - this produces 8Hz with 4Hz undertones and is being fed only by around 20W, for musical effect. If we put more power through the speakers (two at 200 Watts), we'd vibrate the building down. The effect to be achieved by this is a feeling rather than a sound and an aural sensation that underpins the higher frequencies of the organ.
@UncagedCardinal Sorry - no seat vibration transducers are installed here. Is this really what I need?
@JNozum Hi! Yes! And now I have the Tuba stop on the Choir, as it should be, able to compete with the whole of the rest of the organ put together. This instrument is now starting to sound very fine - see "French Baroque Masterclass" "Hugh Potton Reubke" and "Latrobian Whirl" to hear it being put through its paces. It's much much better now than it was when some of the earlier UA-cam recordings were done on it.
Dang Buddy, you allmost start a Earthquake, even here in Germany my Walls shakin cause of you😂
This a great subwoofer-test! Nice experiment. 4 and 8 Hz. damn :D
"unmusical, but quite fun"
I think I like this guy.
can you do a new video on this with better mircophones this year?
I'd like to know where one can acquire a subwoofer or technology capable of producing 4hz.
Whilst thinking that these sounds are apparently unmusical, on full organ they really add brilliantly. Jeremy Filsell performed on the instrument last week - and used the stop rather more than I had expected. I started the 64/128ft work really partly as a bit of a joke, and partly to see what it would sound like but it really added beautifully to the music and was felt. This could be added to pipe organs also without resorting to digital tone generation.
Fascinating. I'm sure the effect is quite dramatic in real life. However, prior to exposure, I would advise caution if having eaten a strong curry the night before!
I agree with you. I use for church's songs Main stop + 1 Octave Lower or 2 Octaves Upper ;)
One can create an impression of a 32' by only using 16' stops on the pedals. Just add a perfect fourth lower and strengthen the main note with an 8' stops (reed) on the manuals.
@GJmusique Yes - my wife thought I'd started the deisel Unimog engine. But it's an experiment to see what these frequencies add. Strangely in use they mathematically underpin harmony above.
Impresive..first time I see a pipe organ in a garage! I wouldnt be your neighbour!😂😂
When I tell people the stereo is good for at least 32 feet and they look confused
At Hammerwood Park near East Grinstead. All organists are welcome to come and practice by mutual arrangement - most times are convenient. And if anyone likes to play informally over tea on a Wednesday or Saturday afternoon at 3.30pm after a 2pm guided tour from June to the end of September, the purpose of the instrument is to introduce the organ as an instrument to people: many people not having experienced organs in church nor in cinemas nowadays are entirely unaware of the King of Instruments
My home organ only has a 16ft stop, but it still makes the upstairs neighbors angry!
@TheElectronicaman Perhaps the makers of rotary woofers might like to sponsor this!