hi Paul, I'm here in the US and retired from one of our gas and electric utilities. I can't speak for UK practices but here the valley would be the preferred choice. Caissons would be put in the ground to support the pylons ( we call them towers). the fact that it floods make the location preferred as the pylons would not be effected and it would not be considered "prime" land, underground cable would also not be affected. I participated in a project to move a transmission (pylons) line from farmland to a flood plain to open the farm land back up. That does not take in you opinion of course on the aesthetics of having pylons near you. Here we could cross a gas line but not follow it. There can be induced current in an active steel pipe line from HV lines. Now I do not what voltage level would be transported on the lines but I would assume since it's pylon construction it would be well above 500kv with multiple circuits. If not we have gone to the use of laminated wood poles, slightly less unsightly, to carry single and double circuit transmission voltages of up to around 130kv. As some others have pointed out with the move to electrification dependency, that's what it really is, coupled with a dependency on non-fossil fuels, there will be an exponential increase in power transmission and distribution lines of much larger carrying capacity. Having been face to face with people in a similar situation, such as yourself, during the planning process, we also hold town meetings, to get input from the people affected, I find it rather unseamly that the organization responsible has not made their intentions, even in the early planning stages, to the people in the area. Not good.
PYlons ughhh ,,obstroculous things paul, thats a beautiful bit of habitat and doesn`t deserve spoiling ,so fingers xst the planners think up some alternative to a proposed blot on the landscape...still enjoyed the video!
I believe when the unsightly metal towers that carry HV across the land were first conceived some bright spark thought to call them after the Greek word for ‘pillar’ to make them more acceptable to Joe Public. Also Pylons normally carry HV and tap off cables to local transformers for domestic etc use. So those wooden poles would remain in addition to the metal towers crossing the landscape….
Is this to do with the Radnor Forest Windfarm? They tried the same behind Welshpool a decade ago and ran into total defiance from the locals. The windfarm didn't go ahead as cables would have cost too much. I was working up there at the time.
Do you walk that area/road often ? I inquire thusly, mon cheri, 'cause as you were doing so, all the neighbors might have been thinking, "Iesu Mawr! Looks like ol' Paulie 'as lost 'is beic modur ! Ond...ble mae ei helmed ?" 😘 BTW, Pylons I would not mind, but those bloody Wind Generators (a "Wind Farm") would prompt me to rebel...or move !
Hi Paul, good video, I am sorry to hear that they are considering to route a HV line through the valley,I worked on pylons for 18yrs and the construction traffic alone for this would be horrendous, I don't think they will bury the cables, this is far too expensive as they have to be oil cooled, and that could also lead to an enviromental disaster, as for the flood plain and the rest of the services,not really a problem for pylons. they cover all terrains the worst in my opinion being cities, I hope they decide on a different route or better still bin the idea,good luck bud
@@paulhenshaw4514 If you have to fight it, I would go with wildlife and fauna as the only thing that really stopped(delayed) us were nesting birds, and endangered/rare species, newts,badgers and butterflies etc. PS Ancient Monuments another problem for them.
This is happening all over the country and cannot be avoided if Net Zero is to be achieved. Once there are three times as many wind farms running as there are now, there will obviously need to be cables carrying this power to the regions. Another reason not to have cables near your house is that the electrical field causes cancer, so anyone living near the cables will be at risk.
Looking at your lovely valley made we wonder why you are not having to fight off those who would be delighted to get at it's abundant aggregate reserves. Gotta keep your eyes on all the Messers T and As.
So,I'm just an old truck driver... Yet,I can't help but wonder,what could be accomplished, if not for the vested interests,and their political paramours
I bought an EMF meter and it's shows the field strength you are be exposed to. Quiet an eye opener to what around you is affecting you! As for try the aircraft, the airbus 400 transport is a noisy bugger! Not exactly what you call stealthy. They fly over me here daily at 31,000 feet and I know what they are. 😉
Well Paul, your floodplain is free of trash hanging from trees. You river is not contaminated with vinyl chloride. Your air is free of coal smoke. I would vote "yes" to pylons.
Why would trash be hanging from trees? Why would the river be contaminated? I have no problem with coal, wood, or oil smoke, having worked in such environments for many years. What about the 'carbon footprint' of making and implementing all these so-called 'green' alternatives? The average wind turbine has 90 gallons of oil in it's gearbox, before we get to all the haulage, excavation etc required to put them in place to produce electricity for 'nothing' and then convey it via pylons which are made from steel, which creates pollution when being produced. Nothing is for nothing, whichever way you go about it.
@@paulhenshaw4514 it is more efficient to bury electrical cables there is less transmission losses but they will not do it for cost cutting . so much for environment.nobody ever talks about wind turbines and the fact they are not as green as everybody thinks. and are indeed bat killers among others.
@@paulhenshaw4514 It's a trade off. Here in Kentucky when it floods, we do have garbage spread all over, hanging from trees, almost all of our electricity is generated by coal, and north of us a train derailed, burning and spilling toxic chemicals. Maintaining infrastructure is not funded, and advancing green technology is outlawed in many states. I love watching your videos of rides through the countryside. Cherish what you have. Either way it goes with the windmills, it could always be worse.
I'm surprised some environmentally-friendly nutter hasn't come up with the idea of 50 squillion hamsters running in their wheels generating electricity, then you pylons would only have to be six inches off the ground!!! But then the Society against Cruelty to Hamsters would be up in arms protesting. Can't win, mate.
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hi Paul, I'm here in the US and retired from one of our gas and electric utilities. I can't speak for UK practices but here the valley would be the preferred choice. Caissons would be put in the ground to support the pylons ( we call them towers). the fact that it floods make the location preferred as the pylons would not be effected and it would not be considered "prime" land, underground cable would also not be affected. I participated in a project to move a transmission (pylons) line from farmland to a flood plain to open the farm land back up. That does not take in you opinion of course on the aesthetics of having pylons near you. Here we could cross a gas line but not follow it. There can be induced current in an active steel pipe line from HV lines. Now I do not what voltage level would be transported on the lines but I would assume since it's pylon construction it would be well above 500kv with multiple circuits. If not we have gone to the use of laminated wood poles, slightly less unsightly, to carry single and double circuit transmission voltages of up to around 130kv. As some others have pointed out with the move to electrification dependency, that's what it really is, coupled with a dependency on non-fossil fuels, there will be an exponential increase in power transmission and distribution lines of much larger carrying capacity. Having been face to face with people in a similar situation, such as yourself, during the planning process, we also hold town meetings, to get input from the people affected, I find it rather unseamly that the organization responsible has not made their intentions, even in the early planning stages, to the people in the area. Not good.
Thanks, J.W., all very interesting.
Intimidating and underhand, I wish you all the best with good outcome 👍👌
Thank you 🙌
PYlons ughhh ,,obstroculous things paul, thats a beautiful bit of habitat
and doesn`t deserve spoiling ,so fingers xst the planners think up some
alternative to a proposed blot on the landscape...still enjoyed the video!
I believe when the unsightly metal towers that carry HV across the land were first conceived some bright spark thought to call them after the Greek word for ‘pillar’ to make them more acceptable to Joe Public. Also Pylons normally carry HV and tap off cables to local transformers for domestic etc use. So those wooden poles would remain in addition to the metal towers crossing the landscape….
Is this to do with the Radnor Forest Windfarm? They tried the same behind Welshpool a decade ago and ran into total defiance from the locals. The windfarm didn't go ahead as cables would have cost too much. I was working up there at the time.
there is a proposed wind farm over that way, which they want to connect with a substation near Carmarthen, if it goes ahead.
@@paulhenshaw4514 It's an obvious site excepting transmitting the power, Something the local nimbies initially forgot about.....
Do you walk that area/road often ? I inquire thusly, mon cheri, 'cause as you were doing so, all the neighbors might have been thinking, "Iesu Mawr! Looks like ol' Paulie 'as lost 'is beic modur ! Ond...ble mae ei helmed ?" 😘
BTW, Pylons I would not mind, but those bloody Wind Generators (a "Wind Farm") would prompt me to rebel...or move !
Hi Paul, good video, I am sorry to hear that they are considering to route a HV line through the valley,I worked on pylons for 18yrs and the construction traffic alone for this would be horrendous, I don't think they will bury the cables, this is far too expensive as they have to be oil cooled, and that could also lead to an enviromental disaster, as for the flood plain and the rest of the services,not really a problem for pylons. they cover all terrains the worst in my opinion being cities, I hope they decide on a different route or better still bin the idea,good luck bud
Thanks, Huw.
@@paulhenshaw4514 If you have to fight it, I would go with wildlife and fauna as the only thing that really stopped(delayed) us were nesting birds, and endangered/rare species, newts,badgers and butterflies etc. PS Ancient Monuments another problem for them.
Thanks again!
This is happening all over the country and cannot be avoided if Net Zero is to be achieved. Once there are three times as many wind farms running as there are now, there will obviously need to be cables carrying this power to the regions. Another reason not to have cables near your house is that the electrical field causes cancer, so anyone living near the cables will be at risk.
Looking at your lovely valley made we wonder why you are not having to fight off those who would be delighted to get at it's abundant aggregate reserves. Gotta keep your eyes on all the Messers T and As.
Whatever they say about consultation and planning they will follow the cheapest route.
So,I'm just an old truck driver...
Yet,I can't help but wonder,what could be accomplished,
if not for the vested interests,and their political paramours
I bought an EMF meter and it's shows the field strength you are be exposed to.
Quiet an eye opener to what around you is affecting you!
As for try the aircraft, the airbus 400 transport is a noisy bugger! Not exactly what you call stealthy. They fly over me here daily at 31,000 feet and I know what they are. 😉
It all depends how well off and 'well connected' 🙄 ones NIMBY neighbours are....
Well Paul, your floodplain is free of trash hanging from trees. You river is not contaminated with vinyl chloride. Your air is free of coal smoke.
I would vote "yes" to pylons.
Why would trash be hanging from trees? Why would the river be contaminated? I have no problem with coal, wood, or oil smoke, having worked in such environments for many years. What about the 'carbon footprint' of making and implementing all these so-called 'green' alternatives? The average wind turbine has 90 gallons of oil in it's gearbox, before we get to all the haulage, excavation etc required to put them in place to produce electricity for 'nothing' and then convey it via pylons which are made from steel, which creates pollution when being produced. Nothing is for nothing, whichever way you go about it.
Get in touch with Bute Energy I'm sure they could put a pylon next to your house if you ask them nicely.
@@paulhenshaw4514 it is more efficient to bury electrical cables there is less transmission losses but they will not do it for cost cutting . so much for environment.nobody ever talks about wind turbines and the fact they are not as green as everybody thinks. and are indeed bat killers among others.
@@paulhenshaw4514 It's a trade off.
Here in Kentucky when it floods, we do have garbage spread all over, hanging from trees, almost all of our electricity is generated by coal, and north of us a train derailed, burning and spilling toxic chemicals.
Maintaining infrastructure is not funded, and advancing green technology is outlawed in many states.
I love watching your videos of rides through the countryside. Cherish what you have. Either way it goes with the windmills, it could always be worse.
I'm surprised some environmentally-friendly nutter hasn't come up with the idea of 50 squillion hamsters running in their wheels generating electricity, then you pylons would only have to be six inches off the ground!!! But then the Society against Cruelty to Hamsters would be up in arms protesting. Can't win, mate.