Yes, the Japanese name for Swift is Speed Star, but as seen in the anime and made more clear in gen-3, it's a ranged attack. The Pokémon isn't moving fast, it's shooting out magical stars that move fast. Ursaring is actually probably one of the better choices for a Pokémon that learns this move because it's already moon themed which likewise is something associated with the night sky.
Honestly from the name and from everything being able to do it, it does look like that it was intended to be just a fast simple attack, but they might have ended up making the star animation into the actual attack lol
In spanish it was called *Rapidez* from Gen 1 to Gen 8 but in Gen 9 has been changed to *Meteoros* probably to reflect just like you said that the intention of the move is that of shooting stars.
Also have you seen bears chase something? For something so big they are terrifyingly fast. I might raise my eyebrows at Extremespeed, but Swift, even if it weren't meant to be a ranged attack, would make sense imo.
On the fifth day of December, Scott's Thoughts gave to me: 'Phan v Ursaring! A tiny turtle's bubble The fire starter digging A garden lizard's leech seed And those three weirdo mons punching
one of my favorite crystal-additions: start sunday morning (4am), catch teddiursa asap, max out its friendship (via story progression + bike-ride with odd-egg) and teach it return per tm (goldenrod dept store) . enjoy 153 stab-damage before the third gym
Considering the animations and that Earthquake deals double damage, Dig is about burrowing into the ground, then towards the opponent. It is not general digging. In that sense, elephants do not burrow, so Donphan cannot learn Dig. Unfortunately, that would also mean Ursaring should not get Dig.
It's weird to think about but Ursaring's special attack stat is only a little lower than Feraligatr's (75 vs. 79), so its ice punches hit almost as hard. Especially in this era of Pokemon, that's actually hilarious.
Feraligatr sheer force boost ice punch though, altough ursaring will hut hard if he gets guts activated but that requires you to be statused @@levelearthrealist7132
Donphan is one of those pokemon that will always hold a special place for me. I remember being a little kid & seeing the first movie, I was so psyched to see A NEW POKEMON in the opening sequence, even if it gets defeated it looks so cool using rollout. I was so sad I couldnt catch it early in Gold version, so when I finally got to catch phanpy in crystal, it quickly became my strongest pokemon. I raised an ursaring too, but I remember teddiursa being way more of a hassle to catch than phanpy, and performing much worse until it finally evolved (much later). So it is interesting to see how the final evolutions starting the game compare to each other without going through the awkward childhood phase.
I don’t think the patch for the other trainer’s ai should be implemented. At that point that’s actively changing the battles of the game even in a minor way and may invalidate previous runs you’ve done where Morty’s Gengar and more importantly Karen’s Umbreon using mean look got you to avoid a reset
I agree, I don't think you should change the trainer behaviour... for things like spinning trainers, I get it, it's can unfairly impact some runs, but selecting a useless move is just the AI and it feels like part of pokemon. The AI always does dumb stuff. I wouldn't want you to remove Giovanni randomly using guard specs in Gen 1, or stop trainers from using whirlwind... or any other little quirk honestly. I feel like it's just part of the game. Even more than that, I just don't really see the point, it makes a couple of battles slightly more difficult I guess, but what do the runs gain?
I love the versus idea, but if you were to include Donphan in some way I'd say an Ursaluna vs Great Tusk playthrough would be really fun. They're both supposedly from the past (Paradox pokemon actually have a lot of evidence placed against the time travel shenanigans being the real reason for their existence in SV lore, very interesting topic for me to go on a pointless side tangent about) and both stronger versions of these version exclusives. I guess you could say that Ursaluna's regular form and Great Tusk are also both exclusive to past-themed games in PLA or Scarlet respectively. Great vid, I had a feeling this one would be closer than it seemed at the start.
32:30 Regarding this, I think you are forgetting about the context that a player is likely to obtain Donphan. While they could get a Phampy early on and evolve it, I think it also likely that they would encounter it at the end of the game, where they are a much higher level and likely to be close to if not already knowing Earthquake. So it being learned so late seems less egregious to me. I do think it should have learned Magnitude earlier on though, if it's not going to have dig because elephant feet can't dig then it needs another mid-tier STAB move.
I saved this video to watch over night. The wait was well worth it! Wow, the not so cuddly bear did extremely well. Thanks, Scott, for the hard work and effort to go above and beyond!
Well i knew normal types were good but i wasn't expecting that... Well ursaring is really good, maybe next time i play pokemon XD i should use the teddiursa more... Also i think this is the first video that I've seen where you encounter one of the legendary beasts, neat.
Both of them recently got such amazing upgrades with Great Tusk, Iron Treads and the Ursalunas. I think Game Freak still see them as counterparts tbh. Also they were both on Pryce's team in Pokemon Stadium 2.
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My boy got dig gapped. anyway surprising result for both of them, it was expected that in Johto a normal type with a beastly attack stat would do absolutely amazing, I mean we all know that the final set is going to be curse/rest/return/sleeptalk-protect while holding lefties/quickclaw that's the gen 2 special menu, so no surprises there. love the whinging bro, never stop, you are the best!
Definitely an Ursaluna back port. For Bloodmoon, it's interesting because it's a special attacker so it would be interesting to see how it differs from a Pokemon with the same typing and stat structure.
You inspired me to go back and play Pokemon blue on rom for the first rime in several years and i am loving it! It is so nostalgic and I can see why you can go back to yellow again and again, however, the way you speed run is incredible. I'm trying to go fast and it's really hard!
8:35 Scott, you completely forgor mentioning Razor Leaf, so your voiceover makes it seem like Horn Attack is doing very little damage due to it having a high Critical Hit ratio lmao :DDDDD also, bug love cc:
Yeah, it would be fun to see a Ursaluna + bloodmoon Ursaluna backport eventually. Ursaluna would probably use a similar strategy to Ursaring, but I think Bloodmoon would get a lot more usage out of the elemental punches, which would be cool. But the backports I'm VERY intrigued by is Electivire and Magmortar, Electivire especially.
I found myself relooping through specific videos recently and im not sure why. Right now I keep going back through this video and the Ferret vs Raticate Crystal video.
Okay to give you an explanation on why Ursaring can learn dig: Bears often dig their own caves for the winter Meanwhile Elephants like Donphan aren't really great at digging
Then explain a hog/pig not learning dig, which they can do with their nose, specially with tusk around them. Or a scorpid even if flier, they're good at digging. I buy Donphan not digging, but not Swinub nor Piloswine.
African elephants dig chunks of salt out of the ground to survive. They'll also dig up dry riverbeds to unearth any water that may still be underneath.
Feel like the lack of a physical/special split is really going to hurt blood moon ursaluna, but would be interesting to see by how much compared to base ursaluna. Also would be curious on a great tusk vs. iron treads video, given we're already considering backports on the ursaring side of things
@@barongeoffrey75I’d guess it was a sort of progression from the contact/no contact split in gen 3. Also the dual screen on the, well, the d/s, may have allowed for more information to be conveyed at a time. It would have been potentially frustrating to have to learn by trial and error if a move was physical or special, if the UI couldn’t tell you. I guess ‘makes contact’ is still that way to this day, although it matters less often.
Fun run! I will say I, personally, feel a bit uneasy about both the spinning trainer and the trainer AI patching. I get the idea that the spinning trainers aren't 100% avoidable, but I'd argue that ending up fighting X number of spinning trainers on average is truly a part of the Gen 2 experience and that while it's true the exact number is random I think it's part of the game so just plain removing it takes it a bit further from being a true game run. And to use your comparison from the video, pokemon like Mewtwo or indeed Ursaring can smash through these trainers with incredibly swift ease and thus they get much lower times than other Pokemon, while something like...I dunno, Skarmory or Snorlax is more of a struggle and thus gets slower time, so I feel like it comes already accounted for in the times to an extent. The trainer AI stuff feels like a bit of a slippery slope, although I do get it is just making them recognize you only have one Pokemon, but at the same time the HM Slaves ARE Pokemon in your party so the AI noticing them doesn't seem unreasonable. And using Roar/Whirlwind can help the AI as much as Mean Look can harm them! I also just worry that modifying the trainer's AI for this will lead to future modifications when it is already some worrying territory. Plus the AI doing dumb things is part of, well, the AI really. Also I don't think Earthquake TM stuff is "bad" game design when you also consider the in game and non-solo context, where I would argue it is a trade off. I bet a lot of people will face the Elite Four before Level 49 in Gen 2, given Will starts at Level 42 and Lance ends at a max of Level 49, in which case the Earthquake TM becomes a case of decision making. Do you use it on a Pokemon who can learn it early to get through the Elite Four easier, or do you save it for another Pokemon in the run? I think that's often a core tension when it comes to these kind of TM uses, which isn't (inherently) bad game design. Those are my two cents anyway. Was very glad to see Donphan do so well, as I like the guy and it has good stats, and I was an Ursaring fan (I used a Master Ball on it as a kid my first run of Gold not knowing you only got one Master Ball) so seeing it blaze through the game was impressive. Did get very lucky with Red I felt but sometimes you get that.
Movepool diversity is the name of the game in pretty much any pokémon game. But yes, in gen 2, STAB on return (arguably the strongest move in the game for a long, long stretch of time) and having arms for the punches or not makes a stupidly huge difference.
I'd be down for Ursaluna vs Ursaluna (Blood Moon) in Crystal Vs Video. But I'm also curious if there's a possibility for a potential Great Tusk vs Iron Treads in Crystal Vs Video.
Scott I think the Icy Wind also has a 1/256 chance not to lower speed in Gen 2. The NPC's chance to fail moves is mentioned on the Accuracy page since it doesn't make sense to mention it on the move's page itself since it doesn't effect players. So on the Accuracy page of Bulbapedia it mentions (edited for brevity): some moves used by AI opponents have a chance to fail. Specifically, this affects status moves, as well as any attempts to lower any of the player's Pokémon's stats other than accuracy (even when through the additional effect of a damaging move, in which case the reduction merely applies to that additional effect's chance, not that of the move itself).
Similarly, the info of Ancient Power not granting an omniboost if you get a KO is not listed on Bulbapedia either. Given that Scott used to be a Bulbapedia editor, I wonder why he hasn’t commissioned to edit that if he can verify this info so conveniently.
An error was said in the beginning of the video. At 0:45 Scott mistakenly says Donphan is exclusive to Pokémon Crystal. When he showed and meant Pokémon Silver.
What a dynamic duo, you both catch them in the same routes. I wonder if ursarings low basd speed is "fast enough" with rnough DV investment. It doesnt have the same defensive utility like Donphan. BUT! STAB return is formidable. And ground typing means it might struggle against venasaur/blastoise/gyarados. Excited to see this one!
Awesome to see an unusual hidden power, especially to give one of my favorite Gen 2 Pokémon such powerful coverage, but I'm a little confused on one thing. Around 53:30 you mention donphan having a 9% to ohko umbreon, but if a crit always ohkos, and it'd be a max roll to potentially ohko without, wouldn't it have to be around 12% to ohko? Apologies if I'm just missing something, really cool to see regardless!
I got this job right now as a 2nd Unit cam op on a home reno show, lot of driving, a lot of working independently. I'm really enjoying this daily upload December. Feel like I got someone to hang out with while I work.
Ursaring absolutely stomped the game inside out. Donphan did great too, but it's absolutely insane how strong Ursaring is. A backport of Ursaring to Gen 1 would be cool since it should have Swords Dance access (it learns it in all Gens after 2). Great runs.
Suggestion: would love to see if you get the capability to backport new Pokémon to crystal, you should do an Ursaluna run. Would love to see how it compares to ursaring!
I’m in the process doing a race of the legendary beasts in Pokémon Heart gold, as well as comparing their event move sets so a total of six play throughs.
At the time of its release, Ursaring was the strongest Normal type pokemon, with its 130 base attack. It doesn’t shock me at all that it’s tearing through this game with a series of one hits.
This maybe would be a controversial suggestion, and I don't know how much you reference the overlay when you're doing first playthroughs. But if you multiplied the moves' powers your Pokemon's Atk/SpA and divided by your opponent's Def/SpD, you'd get a better idea of which moves are better in cases where it's ambiguous due to a move being super effective but using an inferior stat (Ursaring's Ice Punch vs. Bayleef where Headbutt was actually better due to stats) On the flip side, this could bloat the numbers a lot in cases where you boost your stats. It would also be less intuitive to explain to viewers.
@@chrisdaignault9845I mentioned it before, but I don't remember getting a response. That doesn't mean I didn't. I could have easily forgotten. If that's the case, I totally get it, and I'll try harder to remember this time so I'm not a broken record about a settled matter
26:31 I will also always try with a ball on the legendary dogos, and will forever remember the day I caught Raikou with a greatball during a nuzlocke (even though I had to box him do to no legendries...). Later when I checked the odds, it turns out that a greatball throw on full HP Raikou without a status is 0.781% so that is so much luck
I remember in Sapphire, I caught Latias with a Pokeball. I wanted to use my Masterball, but misclicked, and yet still managed. Full health, one shot. It wasn't any sort of challenge run, but still. Ever since, I've always used nothing but Pokeballs to catch everything. It's actually easier than it might seem.
1:16 Wait, wait, wait. Now I may be confusing silver and crystal, but Teddiursa can be found in the dark cave right at the start of the game. It's like a 1% encounter but I've gotten them before at lvl 3
Haven’t finished so this might be premature comment about how in second run, use hidden power to give Pokémon STAB moves early. I believe in this case, you can get HP ground before third gym and a ton of training at the same time along the way.
Regular vs. bloodmoon ursaluna would be really interesting as backports! Funnily enough i think a backported bloodmoon would have a similar dynamic to it’s current version in scarlet/violet, where it’s a special attacking pokemon with a primarily physical attacking learnset, but still with enough special moves to lean on and dominate (Blood Moon and Earth Power/Hyper Voice for Gen 9, and the elemental punches for backport) Meanwhile regular ursaluna has such great complimentary stats and STAB options that it could just bowl over everything with little thought.
18:58 Did the critical hit saved you there? Dunno if Zubat + Reflect could have survived Headbutt. By the way in these challenges the rival will always have the Chikorita team or there's a reason to prefer it that I missed?
The year is 2035, the UA-cam channel Scott's Thoughts just reached 2 million subs: "Remember that Donphan vs Ursaring Race? Now let's do another chapter of our backports versus videos: Great Tusk vs Ursaluna in Pokémon Crystal!"
Hey Scott, did you consider maybe showing a time-by-trainer-graph for both playthroughs of each pokemon individually? idk about the others, but to me at least, it would be quite interesting to see how the timeloss due to more training/different routing in the early game of the 2nd playthrough changes overall time. maybe that's not really significant fir every Pokemon, but for some it could be interesting, when routing and strategy changes a lot between playthroughs
Not sure if a correction is necessary, but you can catch Teddiursa in dark cave just outside of violet city.. It has to be in the morning. It's got a low catch rate and likes to run.
Yes, the Japanese name for Swift is Speed Star, but as seen in the anime and made more clear in gen-3, it's a ranged attack. The Pokémon isn't moving fast, it's shooting out magical stars that move fast. Ursaring is actually probably one of the better choices for a Pokémon that learns this move because it's already moon themed which likewise is something associated with the night sky.
Honestly from the name and from everything being able to do it, it does look like that it was intended to be just a fast simple attack, but they might have ended up making the star animation into the actual attack lol
In spanish it was called *Rapidez* from Gen 1 to Gen 8 but in Gen 9 has been changed to *Meteoros* probably to reflect just like you said that the intention of the move is that of shooting stars.
Also have you seen bears chase something? For something so big they are terrifyingly fast. I might raise my eyebrows at Extremespeed, but Swift, even if it weren't meant to be a ranged attack, would make sense imo.
And Umbreon
Swift is the signature move of the gamefreak logo
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'Phan v Ursaring!
A tiny turtle's bubble
The fire starter digging
A garden lizard's leech seed
And those three weirdo mons punching
Keep it going!
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The reason why you can only see Donphan's trunk on the back sprite is because its stuck halfway underground because it failed at using Dig.
Teddiursa did get the same treatment: I used one in my last Crystal run! It's in Dark Cave in Crystal, which is also before the first badge.
I was about to comment on that
Not easy to get, but easily one of the best in-game mons in crystal.
It's a 4% only in the morning, if I remember correctly
one of my favorite crystal-additions: start sunday morning (4am), catch teddiursa asap, max out its friendship (via story progression + bike-ride with odd-egg) and teach it return per tm (goldenrod dept store) . enjoy 153 stab-damage before the third gym
@@ReyaktheHunterand runs away often
I'm guessing Gamefreak assumed elephants can't dig (like when Scott thought horses can't dig)
Horses can dig?
Those horns look pretty good for digging, and tbh the whole dig thing is pretty unrealistic anyways!
@skeetermania3202 no but rapidash can!
Considering the animations and that Earthquake deals double damage, Dig is about burrowing into the ground, then towards the opponent. It is not general digging. In that sense, elephants do not burrow, so Donphan cannot learn Dig.
Unfortunately, that would also mean Ursaring should not get Dig.
Game freak’s never seen an elephant before
It's weird to think about but Ursaring's special attack stat is only a little lower than Feraligatr's (75 vs. 79), so its ice punches hit almost as hard. Especially in this era of Pokemon, that's actually hilarious.
Yeah, nowadays it actually hits harder because it uses his way higher attack stat.
Feraligatr sheer force boost ice punch though, altough ursaring will hut hard if he gets guts activated but that requires you to be statused @@levelearthrealist7132
"Can we have more than a trunk?"
Thank you for the snicker I got outta the follow-up.
Wait, is Scott really getting upset that the bear, an animal that digs holes to hibernate can dig, but a wheel-elephant can't?
Donphan is one of those pokemon that will always hold a special place for me. I remember being a little kid & seeing the first movie, I was so psyched to see A NEW POKEMON in the opening sequence, even if it gets defeated it looks so cool using rollout. I was so sad I couldnt catch it early in Gold version, so when I finally got to catch phanpy in crystal, it quickly became my strongest pokemon.
I raised an ursaring too, but I remember teddiursa being way more of a hassle to catch than phanpy, and performing much worse until it finally evolved (much later). So it is interesting to see how the final evolutions starting the game compare to each other without going through the awkward childhood phase.
I reckon due to being Normal type, Ursaring is going to come out a lot ahead.
I don’t think the patch for the other trainer’s ai should be implemented. At that point that’s actively changing the battles of the game even in a minor way and may invalidate previous runs you’ve done where Morty’s Gengar and more importantly Karen’s Umbreon using mean look got you to avoid a reset
Is notable that you can induce such play from the AI by removing your hm users, thats just slower
Also, Scott is doing a solo run. Wouldn’t the usage of Mean Look not affect anything since he can only use a singular Pokémon or faint the HM users?
@@iantaakalla8180 he’s more aiming to fix the AI doing so.
Make it so Gengar doesn’t waste its turn using mean look
I agree, I don't think you should change the trainer behaviour... for things like spinning trainers, I get it, it's can unfairly impact some runs, but selecting a useless move is just the AI and it feels like part of pokemon.
The AI always does dumb stuff. I wouldn't want you to remove Giovanni randomly using guard specs in Gen 1, or stop trainers from using whirlwind... or any other little quirk honestly. I feel like it's just part of the game. Even more than that, I just don't really see the point, it makes a couple of battles slightly more difficult I guess, but what do the runs gain?
It should be noted for this discussion that the change helps as much as it harms: it would also stop the opponent using roar.
I love the versus idea, but if you were to include Donphan in some way I'd say an Ursaluna vs Great Tusk playthrough would be really fun. They're both supposedly from the past (Paradox pokemon actually have a lot of evidence placed against the time travel shenanigans being the real reason for their existence in SV lore, very interesting topic for me to go on a pointless side tangent about) and both stronger versions of these version exclusives. I guess you could say that Ursaluna's regular form and Great Tusk are also both exclusive to past-themed games in PLA or Scarlet respectively. Great vid, I had a feeling this one would be closer than it seemed at the start.
I'm sensing some frustration that Donphan can't learn Dig...but I think it might just be a feeling.
Nah. Scott can't be frustrated 😂
Teddiursa is available early in Crystal as well. In Dark Cave. I believe it's available only in the morning at a low encounter rate though.
Same with Phanpy, both are 5% and morning only.
Didn't expect this but as a fan of both Donphan and Ursaring this is a W run
32:30 Regarding this, I think you are forgetting about the context that a player is likely to obtain Donphan. While they could get a Phampy early on and evolve it, I think it also likely that they would encounter it at the end of the game, where they are a much higher level and likely to be close to if not already knowing Earthquake. So it being learned so late seems less egregious to me. I do think it should have learned Magnitude earlier on though, if it's not going to have dig because elephant feet can't dig then it needs another mid-tier STAB move.
I saved this video to watch over night. The wait was well worth it! Wow, the not so cuddly bear did extremely well. Thanks, Scott, for the hard work and effort to go above and beyond!
Well i knew normal types were good but i wasn't expecting that... Well ursaring is really good, maybe next time i play pokemon XD i should use the teddiursa more... Also i think this is the first video that I've seen where you encounter one of the legendary beasts, neat.
Both of them recently got such amazing upgrades with Great Tusk, Iron Treads and the Ursalunas. I think Game Freak still see them as counterparts tbh. Also they were both on Pryce's team in Pokemon Stadium 2.
If there's one thing Gamefreak can't resist, it's making ground types that overcentralize metas
I'm so happy you mentioned Ursaluna! Backport of Ursaluna vs Great Tusk would be awesome 😍
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Anyway, I love the content and appreciate how much of your stuff I can listen to during my 10-hour shifts at work this month! I'll try to get through as many videos as I can as fast as I can to help out your channel!
My boy got dig gapped.
anyway surprising result for both of them, it was expected that in Johto a normal type with a beastly attack stat would do absolutely amazing, I mean we all know that the final set is going to be curse/rest/return/sleeptalk-protect while holding lefties/quickclaw that's the gen 2 special menu, so no surprises there.
love the whinging bro, never stop, you are the best!
Definitely an Ursaluna back port. For Bloodmoon, it's interesting because it's a special attacker so it would be interesting to see how it differs from a Pokemon with the same typing and stat structure.
Except in Gen 2 it won't be a special attacker because all of it's STAB moves are physical
@@TheMoogleKing93but the elemental punches, tho 🤔
You inspired me to go back and play Pokemon blue on rom for the first rime in several years and i am loving it! It is so nostalgic and I can see why you can go back to yellow again and again, however, the way you speed run is incredible. I'm trying to go fast and it's really hard!
I enjoy listening to the though process rather than a step by step breakdown of the battle, good job on y our videos
8:35 Scott, you completely forgor mentioning Razor Leaf, so your voiceover makes it seem like Horn Attack is doing very little damage due to it having a high Critical Hit ratio lmao :DDDDD
also, bug love cc:
Yeah, it would be fun to see a Ursaluna + bloodmoon Ursaluna backport eventually. Ursaluna would probably use a similar strategy to Ursaring, but I think Bloodmoon would get a lot more usage out of the elemental punches, which would be cool.
But the backports I'm VERY intrigued by is Electivire and Magmortar, Electivire especially.
Absolutely incredible results for Ursaring, immediately getting a Teddiursa as your second Pokémon in XD is a blessing.
I've never heard Raikou pronounced like that
Another certified banger! Ursaring is an absolute force to be reckoned with in gen 2!
I found myself relooping through specific videos recently and im not sure why. Right now I keep going back through this video and the Ferret vs Raticate Crystal video.
Okay to give you an explanation on why Ursaring can learn dig: Bears often dig their own caves for the winter
Meanwhile Elephants like Donphan aren't really great at digging
Then explain a hog/pig not learning dig, which they can do with their nose, specially with tusk around them. Or a scorpid even if flier, they're good at digging. I buy Donphan not digging, but not Swinub nor Piloswine.
African elephants dig chunks of salt out of the ground to survive. They'll also dig up dry riverbeds to unearth any water that may still be underneath.
I don't know about other elephants, but African elephants are pretty good at digging (they often have to dig for water in the dry season)
@@N12015 That one was a plain overside of the devs
@@rooislangwtf The move dig is the user digging underground and disappearing. Elephants don't do that. I think that is the logic behind that move
Feel like the lack of a physical/special split is really going to hurt blood moon ursaluna, but would be interesting to see by how much compared to base ursaluna. Also would be curious on a great tusk vs. iron treads video, given we're already considering backports on the ursaring side of things
Imho, donphan > ursaring, but ursalunas > both ugly mofos
edit: desing wise
I wonder why they waited 4G for the Physical/Special Shift.
@@barongeoffrey75I’d guess it was a sort of progression from the contact/no contact split in gen 3. Also the dual screen on the, well, the d/s, may have allowed for more information to be conveyed at a time. It would have been potentially frustrating to have to learn by trial and error if a move was physical or special, if the UI couldn’t tell you. I guess ‘makes contact’ is still that way to this day, although it matters less often.
I've been waiting for the legendary beasts versus video since you announced it in the Umbreon Vs Espeon video I believe, hype to know its so close!
Fun run! I will say I, personally, feel a bit uneasy about both the spinning trainer and the trainer AI patching. I get the idea that the spinning trainers aren't 100% avoidable, but I'd argue that ending up fighting X number of spinning trainers on average is truly a part of the Gen 2 experience and that while it's true the exact number is random I think it's part of the game so just plain removing it takes it a bit further from being a true game run. And to use your comparison from the video, pokemon like Mewtwo or indeed Ursaring can smash through these trainers with incredibly swift ease and thus they get much lower times than other Pokemon, while something like...I dunno, Skarmory or Snorlax is more of a struggle and thus gets slower time, so I feel like it comes already accounted for in the times to an extent.
The trainer AI stuff feels like a bit of a slippery slope, although I do get it is just making them recognize you only have one Pokemon, but at the same time the HM Slaves ARE Pokemon in your party so the AI noticing them doesn't seem unreasonable. And using Roar/Whirlwind can help the AI as much as Mean Look can harm them! I also just worry that modifying the trainer's AI for this will lead to future modifications when it is already some worrying territory. Plus the AI doing dumb things is part of, well, the AI really.
Also I don't think Earthquake TM stuff is "bad" game design when you also consider the in game and non-solo context, where I would argue it is a trade off. I bet a lot of people will face the Elite Four before Level 49 in Gen 2, given Will starts at Level 42 and Lance ends at a max of Level 49, in which case the Earthquake TM becomes a case of decision making. Do you use it on a Pokemon who can learn it early to get through the Elite Four easier, or do you save it for another Pokemon in the run? I think that's often a core tension when it comes to these kind of TM uses, which isn't (inherently) bad game design.
Those are my two cents anyway. Was very glad to see Donphan do so well, as I like the guy and it has good stats, and I was an Ursaring fan (I used a Master Ball on it as a kid my first run of Gold not knowing you only got one Master Ball) so seeing it blaze through the game was impressive. Did get very lucky with Red I felt but sometimes you get that.
Small little error: when bayleaf uses razor leaf against Donphan, it makes it sound like horn attack is a high crit move :)
Love that Ursaring was outstanding! I did a playthrough of Crystal as a kid with him and I remember him being a beast
About Teddiursa not being available early on in Pokémon Crystal:
It actually is! You can get it as soon as Dark Cave, at level 2, at morning time.
Man move pool diversity really is the name of the game in Gen 2 it seems. That and a good growth rate.
Movepool diversity is the name of the game in pretty much any pokémon game. But yes, in gen 2, STAB on return (arguably the strongest move in the game for a long, long stretch of time) and having arms for the punches or not makes a stupidly huge difference.
I'd be down for Ursaluna vs Ursaluna (Blood Moon) in Crystal Vs Video.
But I'm also curious if there's a possibility for a potential Great Tusk vs Iron Treads in Crystal Vs Video.
Scott I think the Icy Wind also has a 1/256 chance not to lower speed in Gen 2. The NPC's chance to fail moves is mentioned on the Accuracy page since it doesn't make sense to mention it on the move's page itself since it doesn't effect players.
So on the Accuracy page of Bulbapedia it mentions (edited for brevity): some moves used by AI opponents have a chance to fail. Specifically, this affects status moves, as well as any attempts to lower any of the player's Pokémon's stats other than accuracy (even when through the additional effect of a damaging move, in which case the reduction merely applies to that additional effect's chance, not that of the move itself).
Similarly, the info of Ancient Power not granting an omniboost if you get a KO is not listed on Bulbapedia either. Given that Scott used to be a Bulbapedia editor, I wonder why he hasn’t commissioned to edit that if he can verify this info so conveniently.
I adore the Teddiursa line and I'm so thrilled that Ursaring got an AMAZING time. And YES I need the Ursaluna play!
Just as a fun note; whinge is a commonly used term here in the UK. It seems to be moving out of common lexicon in the younger generations though
Whinge is such a whimsical/hypocritical way to complain about complaining so I wish whinge was common parlance in UK.
You get tediursa much earlier in crystal version? The cave right before you get flash has a 5%encounter rate
Way to go Scott! This is a lot of work!
Teddiursa did get the same treatment - you can find it in Crystal in the dark cave above Mr Pokemon's house.
An error was said in the beginning of the video. At 0:45 Scott mistakenly says Donphan is exclusive to Pokémon Crystal. When he showed and meant Pokémon Silver.
Two of my favourite underrated mons. _This vid is gonna be difficult to pick a favourite!_
My hot take on 'why Ursaring can learn swift':
The moon theme.
What a dynamic duo, you both catch them in the same routes. I wonder if ursarings low basd speed is "fast enough" with rnough DV investment. It doesnt have the same defensive utility like Donphan. BUT! STAB return is formidable. And ground typing means it might struggle against venasaur/blastoise/gyarados. Excited to see this one!
In crystal you can catch even both before the first gym but with very low encounter rate like 5 %
Awesome to see an unusual hidden power, especially to give one of my favorite Gen 2 Pokémon such powerful coverage, but I'm a little confused on one thing. Around 53:30 you mention donphan having a 9% to ohko umbreon, but if a crit always ohkos, and it'd be a max roll to potentially ohko without, wouldn't it have to be around 12% to ohko? Apologies if I'm just missing something, really cool to see regardless!
00:42 The intro says "The ursaring line is exclusive to Gold and the Donphan line is exclusive to CRYSTAL". Needs a correction
As a fan of Donphan and someone who's meh about Ursaring, I'm glad it wasn't a total curbstomp. Good work, tire elephant~
the ursaluna video would be absolutely amazing as a versus video showing off backports. even if they’re just streams, it’d be amazing
I got this job right now as a 2nd Unit cam op on a home reno show, lot of driving, a lot of working independently. I'm really enjoying this daily upload December. Feel like I got someone to hang out with while I work.
as an avid gold player back in the day i always admired how ursaring was an absolute unit
We should have a what if moves series like what if Dophan had Dig.
Ursaluna is super cool, a backport race of its forms would be awesome!
Ursaring absolutely stomped the game inside out. Donphan did great too, but it's absolutely insane how strong Ursaring is. A backport of Ursaring to Gen 1 would be cool since it should have Swords Dance access (it learns it in all Gens after 2). Great runs.
I'd love to see Ursaluna Vs. Blood Moon Ursaluna. Maybe Great Tusk Vs. Iron Treads too?
Another banger! Cheers Scott!
I love Donphan! Have you tried playing Crystal Legacy? So much fun!
Suggestion: would love to see if you get the capability to backport new Pokémon to crystal, you should do an Ursaluna run. Would love to see how it compares to ursaring!
Edit: didn’t watch the end of the video and saw that you mentioned it yourself 😂
Ursaring is related to the moon and the constellations so I guess thats why it gets Swift too
As for dig, well, bears dig
Curious… Pryce tends to be a very easy battle in most every run you’ve done, so do you have any (Scott’s) thoughts for how you’d improve his team?
I’m in the process doing a race of the legendary beasts in Pokémon Heart gold, as well as comparing their event move sets so a total of six play throughs.
At the time of its release, Ursaring was the strongest Normal type pokemon, with its 130 base attack. It doesn’t shock me at all that it’s tearing through this game with a series of one hits.
Now that you mention ursaluna and bloodmoon, i kinda want to see a great tusk vs iron treads back port
Describe exactly the motion Donphan would use to dig
donphan's backsprite is hilarious lol
If I remember right you can get a Teddiursa pretty early in Crystal at Dark Cave before Falkner, but I think it's a rare encounter rate.
I hope you will run Ursaluna this year❤ I would love to see this run
This maybe would be a controversial suggestion, and I don't know how much you reference the overlay when you're doing first playthroughs.
But if you multiplied the moves' powers your Pokemon's Atk/SpA and divided by your opponent's Def/SpD, you'd get a better idea of which moves are better in cases where it's ambiguous due to a move being super effective but using an inferior stat (Ursaring's Ice Punch vs. Bayleef where Headbutt was actually better due to stats)
On the flip side, this could bloat the numbers a lot in cases where you boost your stats. It would also be less intuitive to explain to viewers.
I think this has been mentioned before, iirc while this is technically better Scott feels it’s too crunchy.
@@chrisdaignault9845I mentioned it before, but I don't remember getting a response. That doesn't mean I didn't. I could have easily forgotten.
If that's the case, I totally get it, and I'll try harder to remember this time so I'm not a broken record about a settled matter
Would love to see both of these get a shot at a Gen 1 via port at some point.
0:46 you said crystal instead of silver. Luv your stuff Scott, still gotta call it out 😂
26:31 I will also always try with a ball on the legendary dogos, and will forever remember the day I caught Raikou with a greatball during a nuzlocke (even though I had to box him do to no legendries...). Later when I checked the odds, it turns out that a greatball throw on full HP Raikou without a status is 0.781% so that is so much luck
I remember in Sapphire, I caught Latias with a Pokeball. I wanted to use my Masterball, but misclicked, and yet still managed. Full health, one shot. It wasn't any sort of challenge run, but still.
Ever since, I've always used nothing but Pokeballs to catch everything. It's actually easier than it might seem.
Not to be that guy, but the beasts are Feline in nature (Lion, Tiger, Leopard)
@@1stCallipostle Yeah I'm aware of it. But They've been called dogs since 1999 and it's stuck so what can we do, really?
1:16 Wait, wait, wait. Now I may be confusing silver and crystal, but Teddiursa can be found in the dark cave right at the start of the game. It's like a 1% encounter but I've gotten them before at lvl 3
In Crystal it can be. But not in Gold: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Teddiursa_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Game_locations
The dig thing makes total sense! How would Donfan dig?
I was thinking the same thing! Donphan digging makes no sense!
@@Maltora71 Probably rotating really quickly like the Pokemon Stadium animation
African elephants dig with their feet, they're actually pretty good at it since they have to do it during the dry season to get water
@@rooislangwtf Don’t they also dig with their tusks?
This was an exciting race, can't wait for thr legendary beasts!
I know they’re large so they aren’t seen as very agile but Bears and Elephants are actually quite fast
Haven’t finished so this might be premature comment about how in second run, use hidden power to give Pokémon STAB moves early. I believe in this case, you can get HP ground before third gym and a ton of training at the same time along the way.
If you’re going to backport Ursaluna and Bloodmoon, you should also backport Great Tusk and Iron Treads, and make a vs video for each pair!
Welcome to this Pokémon rivalry! It's The Don versus Ursa Major in the ring! Good luck, fighters!
Regular vs. bloodmoon ursaluna would be really interesting as backports! Funnily enough i think a backported bloodmoon would have a similar dynamic to it’s current version in scarlet/violet, where it’s a special attacking pokemon with a primarily physical attacking learnset, but still with enough special moves to lean on and dominate (Blood Moon and Earth Power/Hyper Voice for Gen 9, and the elemental punches for backport) Meanwhile regular ursaluna has such great complimentary stats and STAB options that it could just bowl over everything with little thought.
18:58 Did the critical hit saved you there? Dunno if Zubat + Reflect could have survived Headbutt.
By the way in these challenges the rival will always have the Chikorita team or there's a reason to prefer it that I missed?
He chooses Bayleaf because Razor Leaf in Azalea is the only time the Rival is actually any decent what so ever
The year is 2035, the UA-cam channel Scott's Thoughts just reached 2 million subs:
"Remember that Donphan vs Ursaring Race? Now let's do another chapter of our backports versus videos: Great Tusk vs Ursaluna in Pokémon Crystal!"
I love your videos Scott!
Teddiursa WAS given an early game placement in Pokémon Crystal, in Dark Cave.
A Ursaluna backport versus video sounds hype to me.
In the distant future: Who’s better at Scarlet and Violet? Ursaluna or Great Tusk?
With Swift it's clearly the star projectiles going fast, not the Pokémon.
Scott somehow always manages to mention Gligar not getting Mud-Slap.
Hey Scott, did you consider maybe showing a time-by-trainer-graph for both playthroughs of each pokemon individually? idk about the others, but to me at least, it would be quite interesting to see how the timeloss due to more training/different routing in the early game of the 2nd playthrough changes overall time. maybe that's not really significant fir every Pokemon, but for some it could be interesting, when routing and strategy changes a lot between playthroughs
Not sure if a correction is necessary, but you can catch Teddiursa in dark cave just outside of violet city.. It has to be in the morning. It's got a low catch rate and likes to run.
I really would love a backport but make it Ursaluna vs Great Tusk :D
20:25 I don’t personally mind AI Mean Look usage. It would be impractical and waste time to deposit your HM slaves before beating each Gym.
Great video as always, Scott! Quick question: are you considering doing any videos on Crystal Legacy? I'd love to see you cover it somehow
I can't believe Scott had his PP drained with Spite, truly the moment of all time
Teddyursa DID get the same treatment as phanpy in crystal. You find it in dark cave in early mornings only!
The bear vs the elephant, who will go faster? Will it be the nocturnal nightmare? Or the rolling rampager?