this is exactly why she's one of my favorite true crime youtubers. i honestly never checked out her videos before because i thought it was like that but finding out her videos are just her talking i am binging all of her videos sjnks
It's also more respectful for the victim and her family, I don't know if it's the same for you but when sound effect are used for that kind of video, I feel like I am watching a tv series and not an actual crime
I'm impressed at how caring her boyfriend sounded, instantly noticing her absence, checking to see if she was okay and contacting her mom. He must have been devastated :(
I know I’m late but I don’t really get why everyone thinks that people who comment a true fact apparently find it funny. Lily Kenny literally only said she was dragged out, what part of that makes any of you think they find this funny?? I’m not saying it is but how is this comment a joke because they never even said it was dark humour or a joke.
The patriarchal justice system in action. We have the same here in Australia. How dare a girl leave her house looking pretty and expect to not be raped and murdered. Of course she must have been blackmailing him for a job making sandwiches all day (when she already had her dream job). The male run justice system in action (where men here used to get off for raping their wives because "they didn't do their duty"). Sick.
Kendra Melesky yes me too. I think he made a sexual advance towards her and then maybe she threatened him by saying she’ll tell everyone so he thought the best thing to do is kill her.
@@clod148 remember, she was very small, she was under 5'0 and very petite. I think that is why her stature was so emphasized in the beginning of the video.
Why the hell did they reduce his sentence like what... a young 15 year old girl was brutally murdered. I don’t care if it was his first murder. He should get life in prison without parole.
makes no sense to me, i would like to ask the judge that question a child killer normally would get a full life sentence like the killer of april jones.when he comes up for parole hopefully her parents will be there to block his release .
^^^ I was gonna say the same thing 😂 it’s not exactly like a DUI or a misdemeanor charge where you get a lighter sentence because it’s your first offense. Also, how do we know it’s his first murder? Maybe it’s just the first time he got caught. Clearly he’s capable. Sickening! I hope he rots in there. So scary to think about how Paige just went to do something as normal and mundane as going to pick up a sandwich and never would have thought she’d be walking into a dangerous situation.
Brooklyn F. This story really gets to me because I’m almost the same age as Paige i’m the same height as her I honestly carry my phone around everywhere my mom is a literal angel her boyfriend is a sweetheart but I don’t have any siblings and yes my mom is my best friend but she’ll always be my mommy to hear that a girl with such a similar life went through such a horrible day that ended up in her death is really heartbreaking
Angee gee-g Cabello Grande It is scary being a petite woman. I’m also very similar in size to Paige. All you can do is listen to your gut and fight like hell.
I think maybe he was obsessed with her and when he tried to make a move that day, she was disgusted and rejected him so he completely lost his shit. She came into the deli often enough for him to notice her and start fixating on her. Also knife attacks are usually crimes of passion and judging by the state of her neck, her murderer was very angry. This was personal for him.
I believe he offered her a job to get her into the back to sign the papers, then tried to hit on her, she rejected and he became angry and murdered her :/
I knew this girl, never actually met her but she was friends of friends, this is still one of the most horrifying things that has happened in my home town, watching this brought it back to when she first went missing, hits hard
There are so many comments on this one of people who knew her. I'm so sorry- isn't imagine having someone I knew and cared about being killed so awfully. My SO went to high-school with and was friends with this girl, Jessica Chambers who was absolutely brutally murdered in Mississippi. I remember when she died, how awful it was, and I had never even met her. I was simply dating a boy who knew her.
How could the cops not think he was a suspect when he first said he'd never seen her he didn't recognize her cuz so many people come in and out, but then all of a sudden he says oh yeah she comes in here all the time. That's the biggest red flag from the start before they saw the tape and stuff. What a sick twisted liar. That story of her threatening him was BS imo. Wth is wrong with the jury. 23 yrs for brutally murdering a child??
He was still regarded as a suspect; as law enforcement it's not a one at a time sort of thing, it's recording actions and any gained evidence and returning as seen fit to narrow things down in a calculated manner. (And a manner that cannot be pointed at by defense!) Even if a questioned individual seems ridiculous or fishy, it's your and your colleagues' duty to not jump to ANY abrupt conclusions and to always behave as neutral as possible so as to not affect the culprit's own behaviors. Due diligence in solving a case also significantly involves avoiding red herrings that can impede a just conclusion--as well as closure for the living victims of the tragedy.
@@xxkatiexxization how does that make any sense? if they were "pc warriors", they would be more disgusted by this. Yall just try to throw empathetic people under the bus any chance you get. And then you call use snowflakes even though you guys bring this shit up way more often lol. Get over yourself.
it’s clear that she refused him when he was probably trying to flirt and he got mad and killed her. with all the stab wounds and injuries you can tell he probably liked her a lot and got very angered when she didn’t like him back or show interest back
How disturbing is it that kids on social media would want to pretend to be a vicious, bloody murderer in order to gain "status" in their social circle - to the point of creating props to bolster that claim?
every kid goes trough an gory emo phase, where they want to be seen as scary and "different", but pretending to be a murderer, in a recent case, which the family was (probably) still grieving, thats just not ok.
I feel like that weirdo tried to touch her and then when she rejected him and treid to leave the shop he killed her. I'm sure he is just like his brother.
unique queen Broken heart syndrome is a heart muscle failure that is usually caused by a stressful event. So basically he was heart broken about what happened to his daughter to the point where his heart muscles failed and he ended up passing away.
it’s crazy how fast someone’s life can change. and it’s also so so so crazy how if you had changed your action, you never would of ended up injured/dead. if she had decide to still go and get a roll from the first shop, she never would of been killed :(
let me ask you this: would you run outside, bloody, in front of multiple people to see, after you've committed a murder? (assuming that you wouldn't want to get arrested that is)
Butttttt spare clothes? Who has a spare outfit on hand just incase its covered in blood? Even if he had an apron, the amount of times he struck her, surely there would be splatters on the rest of his clothes... perhaps he was naked when he attacked her
This case fills me with SO much rage. Another girl murdered by a spineless emasculated incel. We all know what happened that day. He hit on her she was disgusted and her murdered in response. And they reduced his sentence? Disgusting. He lied and tried to tarnish that poor girls image but we know the truth. URG. Half her neck was missing and he's out in 23 years? WRONG on so many levels.
yea the judge should have increased it really to a full life tariff as he is a child killer , i would ike to ask the judge what he was thinking reducing the sentence madness with abit of luck someone will get to him .
The second john said no I dont know her, i cant remember faces i knew it was him. Even in a big city you remember the regulars very fast. I've worked many coffee shops and they only need to come in a couple times before you even remember their order!
Yes! I lived in New York, went to the same bodega every morning for breakfast and they had my order memorized after only a week and a half of going everyday
Well, I have a horribly bad face and name memory so I can actually imagine that he wouldn’t recognize her - I have a hard time recognizing anyone I don’t know well and haven’t met a lot of times before. However, from the video it seems that she was a regular around these shops so unless he was even worse with faces than I was, it is certainly suspicious...
Well i remember them by their orders but dont always know or remember their names. So its not that uncommon that he didn't know who they meant. But after they described her, im sure he knew. He was just lying, most likely.
Her mom is a strong and beautiful woman. I cannot imagine the agony of losing your beautiful child/best friend. It takes so much strength and light to be able to turn this tragedy into something positive for others. I wish the family so much love and happiness.
honestly I don't believe Paige said that at all, I think he probably made some kind of sexual move on her, she said no, faught him back and then he killed her because he couldn't get his own way. That's why the excuse of "she threatened to say I'd touched her" came into his head
As a 15 year old girl, i feel so sorry for her and the people that knew her. I can't imagine the horror and pain this poor girl went through. Rest in peace paige❤
Heartbroken about Paige, but her murderer is definitely lying about what happened. What a selfish, evil-minded man. He was so suspect before he became a suspect. So grateful for those cameras.
I can't stand when older generations talk about how safe the world used to be, or how they could play outside without their parents, left doors unlocked, went places with strangers, etc. As if 10+ of America's most infamous murderers weren't active in the 60s, 70s, & 80s. This world has NEVER been safe. We've just learned to be more vigilant, protective of our kids/families, & have developed better technologies to help stop/solve crimes. Unfortunately, literally ANYONE could be like this insane deli worker & you'd never know until it's too late. I pray Paige is resting peacefully. As a parent, I couldn't imagine this happening to my family.
We have a case on a 17 year old girl who was missing, for 6 months I think, until she was found dead on Christmas morning. Her murderer is still not found and it's still unsure what truely happened to her. She was found I believe 40 km away from where she was last seen in a lake. :( It's terrible! It's terrible that these things happens.
@@420YOLOSWAG4JESUS It was on the news. That would be the same as saying this UA-camrs knows all this because she is the real criminal. Wth. I am legit reporting you that's out of line. You don't joke about murder and you don't accuse random people of it! It's not funny at all it's cruel and it's rude.
I moved from Scotland to England and Paige went to my school and I knew her, I miss her to much and when I found this video I couldn’t refuse to watch it. R.I.P 😢
thatbadbitchtae tae why would someone lie about something like this...? -attention? If it’s for attention it shows how pathetic they are but I doubt it’s a lie
I know people don't mean anything by it but can the endless comments saying "yay!!" and the happy faces and what you were doing when you get the notification PLEASE STOP??? I love Eleanor and think her makeup is lovely too but good grief, this is about the murder of a beautiful girl. I've seen a total of one single comment giving her any respect or condolences.
I totally agree with this. It’s also annoying to have to scroll through tons of hearts and yays to get to the comments about the video. They can write those on her other videos but have some respect for the crime ones
What makes you think that these comments don't have respect for what the video is about? ^ Let people comment what they want, if Eleanor doesn't like it then that's her choice.
michelleprieur1 thank for mentioning this it bothers me because I think how inconsiderate for the persons involved including the victims family it’s such a sad case x
I really hope that boy who "pranked" his friends with the "bloody knife" did get some kind of help or detention. That is a clear move of needing attention, which could end up being worse in the future.
This poor girl is never far from my thoughts far to close to home , she was found next to my family’s home it’s something I will never forget , her mum is a warrior as for all her loved ones ! Honestly hope that beast rots in hell makes me sick he’s from same area as me , makes u hold ur babies closer , r.I.p Paige keep pouting babes 💜
Eleanor you should research the case of Emely Peguero. A 15-year-old pregnant teen that went missing last year. The case is honestly devastating and just last week marked a year since she was declared missing before the chaos. Some things might be in spanish because it happened in the Dominican Republic.
You should do one about my friend Gannon Stauch. He was murdered by his stepmother in Colorado Springs, and when I first saw her, I knew something was up with her. Me and Gannon went to school together, and I think by explaining the story,, I would have so much Closure
Ah hate this, creeps me out cause I live not too far away from where she was killed... and I went to the shop and bought things from it as well.. (warning everything in that shop is out of date)
A young, pretty, girl going into his shop most days and he wanted to try something. She turned him down and he didnt like it. So he snapped to stop her telling people. Thats my conclusion anyway. Such a heartbreaking story but with some positive outcomes such as all the great things her mum and step dad do with donating gifts to charity etc. I love your videos 💖
I don't live far from where Paige lived, I pass where she was found often. I can't pass without thinking of her. It's awful what he did to her! I remember this story so well, it doesn't seem like so many years have passed. It was something everyone was talking about. The way many towns, communities and businesses made so much effort to show their sympathies and heartache for her and her family was touching. They lit up the crane with pink lights etc rest is peace sweetie xx
He is a sickening and vile man who shouldn't even have a life anymore it's truly heartbreaking how he has destroyed such a happy little family but let's remember Paige as she was in person not the monster who took her life in the most vile way ever X
Just came back to re watch some videos out of Boredom and it really makes you realizes how AMAZINGLY Eleanor has been loving herself since this was posted! You look great here but babe it’s so clear that now you GLOW!! xoxoxo
hearing about what paiges family does in her memory gave me goosebumps. such good ways to honour a friend amd family member and spreading that love to others thru all these diff ways . its good to hear after all the sad stuff
I feel so bad for her mother imagine how much pain she is in. My grandma said this when my uncle died. “ A child should bury their parent, not a parent bury their child.”
Did the police not ask to see the application form that she started filling out? They would have seen her handwriting and her fingerprints would have been on the pen?
Eleanor, please would you be able to cover the Karen Buckley case? Like Paige, her murder occurred in the Glasgow area only a few years ago and not even a few miles away from where I lived at the time. A heartbreaking case but I think you could tell her story with the tact and respect that she deserves.
I personally think he was attempting to be sexual with her. Like possibly making suggestive comments towards her, and then she said that if he didn’t stop she would tell someone what he was doing. I think that’s when he panicked and decided to kill her because if it got out that he was being a creep towards Paige it would have ruined his reputation (which is what he feared).
I just want to thank you for all your hard work and I'm so glad I found your channel!! I've been binge watching you and I love the way you tell the story. Also, you are gorgeous on the inside and out and it's awesome you use your platform to make the world a better place (when you present a charity at the end). You are kind and selfless. You go girl ❣️ The sky is the limit!!! THANK YOU ❣️😘
it seems almost ignorant to me, idk why. im from america and im normally awful at understanding accents but i got it just fine. maybe a word or two i couldnt understand at first but then id get it from context clues.
MichaelaSaysHai :3 oh yeah at first I thought it was literally so ignorant and I’d get mad but now that it’s so frequent that I just find humour in it.
I have a question about when she went missing. When Dylan called and asked if Paige had shown up, and her boss said she hadn’t, why did her mother believe that Paige was just working hard at her job and wasn’t able to call or text her? Her boss said she wasn’t there, so that meant that she hadn’t made it to work, and was last seen before she got there. It wouldn’t make sense to think she was there, or working hard so she couldn’t make contact with her mother or friends. This is such a sad story. R.I.P Paige :(
Emily Croteau She was saying Paige’s is mother didn’t think much about having not heard from her until the boyfriend called and said that she never made it to work and that she figured she was just busy. When the boyfriend told her she got concerned
My theory: He caught a liking to her after her coming into the shop so much and being such a bright and cheery person. He, in his own sick mind, thought that she was into him. He made an advance at her which she refused. It pissed him off and he lost it and killed her. The amount of wounds definitely suggests a person who is not in their right mind. The sloppiness of it all makes it pretty clear he'd never done it before.
Sociopath. Plain and simple. He was watching her and probably killed her because she reminded him of his daughter who he probably had sexual impulses twards and was repressing. Page was killed with rage. So, that's my take on this.
I believe he might have actually tried something on her, she refused, then he got violent. Plus he has a sex offender sibling, same genetics, same environment they grew up in, and he just HAD to make up an excuse about something sexual going on? That's no coincidence. The apple doesn't fall far from the other.
STELLAR! You should read into twin studies into crime if one twin has committed a crime the other twin is 81% more likely to commit crime even in circumstances where the other twin does not see each other or live together further proof that crime can be genetic
@@DrewMitchell-db1sk Yea its like that twins and triplets study that was never published where they were each placed in adopted families with different income/ social standing and they all turned out very similar. Way more things are genetic than people realise which scares people. It removes much the the free will we think we have.
This could be a possebility that he murdered her because of his sexual attraction to his own daughter, or that he was sexually attracted to Paige regardless, either way, a lot of rage was envolved here- could be because he hated himself for the possebility he is attracted to a young girl, or, that he was also *rejected* by her. Things like these are unfulfiled fantasies, that a person losing their control on them can get into a lot of frustrations when they can't come true. This could be also a direction for a person to follow the path of a typical serial killer.
Am I the only one that thinks he probably had a secret obsession with Paige. From when she was young. Hence why his kid was called Paige. Probably said ‘oh can you help me round back’ tried to rape her. She defended herself and he killed her. Maybe she threatened to tell people. And he got angry because he’s seen the effects. But he wanted her to suffer. And that’s all I have to say. He wanted her to suffer.
@rain The point is men don’t have to be paranoid, but can a girl get a sandwich without being victimized? “Most of the time” he says. Oh how comforting thanks man! Keep handing out 24 yr sentences and it won’t change.
@@raeannaboehm619 yes. The fact that they had to explain why a man would kill a woman by making it ‘her fault’ bc she’s a s!u2 for having an affair and she ‘deserved’ it. Like my guys !! where’s the self awareness
@@pk-sc8iz society is making it her fault and that she deserved it for sleeping around. They’re like ‘eh. You know she put herself in that situation’. Same with r4pe cases, they use clothes or intoxication to say ‘they’re at fault!’
Literally. I swear there’s sexism in some of these cases. Like they can never accept that some men are just disgusting and rape and murder, it’s always gotta be the girls fault
I don't believe she was having an affair with him either, personally. Unfortunately, ppl that DO cheat often have a "lovely" significant other. When someone cheats it has nothing to do with the person being cheated on, and everything to do with the cheater themselves. I'm in NO way saying I believe she herself was having an affair with that creeper. I don't know enough about her to know whether she'd do such a thing, and it's unfair for ppl to speculate or point fingers when she can't defend herself. His accusation of her infidelity holds no weight in my opinion. Not exactly the character type I'd look to for an honest explanation of the events that transpired. Stay safe everyone 😷
The ONLY reason a pretty, young, confident young woman would be with an unattractive old man is if he's absurdly rich. A deli owner? No way in hell. And it's disgusting that he would drag her like that.
I love the fact that she doesn’t use unnecessary sound effects to make it more dramatic. It’s just her talking, telling it how it is.
YerARavenclawEmma 13 just say Shane Dawson
I can't stand that fucking shit lol
Amen, no loud sound effects, jarring imagery or music - it's wonderful
this is exactly why she's one of my favorite true crime youtubers. i honestly never checked out her videos before because i thought it was like that but finding out her videos are just her talking i am binging all of her videos sjnks
It's also more respectful for the victim and her family, I don't know if it's the same for you but when sound effect are used for that kind of video, I feel like I am watching a tv series and not an actual crime
I'm impressed at how caring her boyfriend sounded, instantly noticing her absence, checking to see if she was okay and contacting her mom. He must have been devastated :(
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Ikrrr
Super caring but I kinda suspected him though
@@sindu3 partners are always #1 suspect. I haven’t watched the video yet so it’s so interesting that it wasn’t him
@@sindu3 same
When they realised she never left the shop - chills.
Litarel~chills
She never left the shop ALIVE. She was dragged out 😗
lily Kenny Why are so many people commenting this thinking they're funny?
@@LLjmsss You mean literal?
I know I’m late but I don’t really get why everyone thinks that people who comment a true fact apparently find it funny. Lily Kenny literally only said she was dragged out, what part of that makes any of you think they find this funny?? I’m not saying it is but how is this comment a joke because they never even said it was dark humour or a joke.
So he murders a defenseless girl who rejects him...and the court's like "omg totally ur sentence is way too long"
Like...piss off. Wow.
misogyny
@@laureauvray7948 definitely. If he had killed a teenage boy he would've gotten more time; they forgive him because at least it was just a girl.
The patriarchal justice system in action. We have the same here in Australia. How dare a girl leave her house looking pretty and expect to not be raped and murdered. Of course she must have been blackmailing him for a job making sandwiches all day (when she already had her dream job). The male run justice system in action (where men here used to get off for raping their wives because "they didn't do their duty"). Sick.
@@Odette321 I agree.
they want us 2 go ape shit on these imports!! and i fkn will if shit keeps getting let off !!! wtf
I believe the moms theory that he tried something and she denied him.
Is that Jimin in your background?
Kendra Melesky I agree because why would a 15 year old girl with a boyfriend try something with the Delhi man it doesn’t make sense
Yeah me too that is definitely what happened scum bag should never have had anything taken off his sentence
We have the same name :D
Kendra Melesky yes me too. I think he made a sexual advance towards her and then maybe she threatened him by saying she’ll tell everyone so he thought the best thing to do is kill her.
The biggest red flag is that she literally didn't come out of that shop until he brought a bin bag out
I dont understand how he carried her in a single bag. Eleanor mentioned her body was found whole, not chopped up or anything
@@clod148 remember, she was very small, she was under 5'0 and very petite. I think that is why her stature was so emphasized in the beginning of the video.
@@Cr0ssmyheart96 yea. She was 4'8
Edit:"grammar mistakes fixed"
Chloe Dobson she said that “human legs were found”.
@@st4rl0ver no the body was hidden and then somebody just saw the legs of the hidden body.
I love when people say “wouldn’t hurt a fly” and I just think about all the times I’ve killed flys.
Very true especially in the summer.
yeahh i hate them to bits they scare me
@@mehek5948 I squash them to bits 🙈
I’ve not killed a fly, but I’ve killed a spider. Beware of me, I might just pinch u up in some paper lol
(If u don’t get it I’m gonna cry lol)
Ikr lmao
It's so horrible to think that this man was literally a father of two children
One who has the same name like his victim 😥 He's a devil
Daughters as well🥺
Imagine being a mum and u have to tell your kids your dad killed someone
fr. its sadder when they are child predators WITH childeren. its disgusting
His kids are probably so depressed
Why the hell did they reduce his sentence like what... a young 15 year old girl was brutally murdered. I don’t care if it was his first murder. He should get life in prison without parole.
Cool Sisters Show I thought paige’s mum said she didn’t look 20 sooo....
makes no sense to me, i would like to ask the judge that question a child killer normally would get a full life sentence like the killer of april jones.when he comes up for parole hopefully her parents will be there to block his release .
Yes, first murder, so why not give him a shot at another?
^^^ I was gonna say the same thing 😂 it’s not exactly like a DUI or a misdemeanor charge where you get a lighter sentence because it’s your first offense. Also, how do we know it’s his first murder? Maybe it’s just the first time he got caught. Clearly he’s capable. Sickening! I hope he rots in there. So scary to think about how Paige just went to do something as normal and mundane as going to pick up a sandwich and never would have thought she’d be walking into a dangerous situation.
@@bogratful n0mlllllll
I hope the authorities kept their eye on the kids who lied about murdering Paige....seriously.
yh that's so sick
i mean what’s there to brag about? killing someone to seem hard? not really mate that’s just bloody sick
I feel like that is a cry for what might be to come. Something is wrong if you take pleasure in making up something as horrible as that.
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They should go to a mental hospital
Her mom is such a warrior! Listening to her talk, she’s so level and clear. Such a senseless death.
I thought that it was clear because I’m Scottish 😂🤣
Brooklyn F. This story really gets to me because I’m almost the same age as Paige i’m the same height as her I honestly carry my phone around everywhere my mom is a literal angel her boyfriend is a sweetheart but I don’t have any siblings and yes my mom is my best friend but she’ll always be my mommy to hear that a girl with such a similar life went through such a horrible day that ended up in her death is really heartbreaking
ρeaᥴhy 。 Lol! I meant clear with her meanings not with her ascent. Haha Although I could understand her just fine. I’m American.
Angee gee-g Cabello Grande It is scary being a petite woman. I’m also very similar in size to Paige. All you can do is listen to your gut and fight like hell.
Brooklyn F. It’s even worse when you’re blind
If someone kills someone and it wasn’t self defense, they should get life in prison. No matter what.
I don’t necessarily agree with that but I get where you are coming from
i agree
@@kadiiixox8574 why not?
@@kadiiixox8574 why not??
Because it could have been a murderer that they killed but not for self defence of that makes sense xx
One brother is a rapist and the other one a murderer. This family has some serious issues.
No those brothers have some serious issues
*WTF?!* I hope you are safe
@@xoticcsl what
shut up
@@eliodiminica1901 no
the fact that he said “i would never want this to happen to my little girl” but then murdered paige is so sad :(
I think maybe he was obsessed with her and when he tried to make a move that day, she was disgusted and rejected him so he completely lost his shit. She came into the deli often enough for him to notice her and start fixating on her. Also knife attacks are usually crimes of passion and judging by the state of her neck, her murderer was very angry. This was personal for him.
agreed, he wouldnt have just killed her without reason tbf
i agree
I believe he offered her a job to get her into the back to sign the papers, then tried to hit on her, she rejected and he became angry and murdered her :/
Agreed
I knew this girl, never actually met her but she was friends of friends, this is still one of the most horrifying things that has happened in my home town, watching this brought it back to when she first went missing, hits hard
i’m so sorry
Oh my!! That’s so awful. Sending prayers and I hope you feel better about it. ❤️❤️
Same she was my big sister's best friend
@@MeMe-rp5tk wow!!
There are so many comments on this one of people who knew her. I'm so sorry- isn't imagine having someone I knew and cared about being killed so awfully.
My SO went to high-school with and was friends with this girl, Jessica Chambers who was absolutely brutally murdered in Mississippi. I remember when she died, how awful it was, and I had never even met her. I was simply dating a boy who knew her.
Is anyone else in l0ve with her makeup??
Me!!!! 😫 😱
*Her eyebrows though*
Georgie Carter yep
Yessss
Georgie Carter ikkk i keep staring at it😭
So lucky the cctv tape didnt run out and delete the footage after twelve days!!
How could the cops not think he was a suspect when he first said he'd never seen her he didn't recognize her cuz so many people come in and out, but then all of a sudden he says oh yeah she comes in here all the time. That's the biggest red flag from the start before they saw the tape and stuff. What a sick twisted liar. That story of her threatening him was BS imo. Wth is wrong with the jury. 23 yrs for brutally murdering a child??
He was still regarded as a suspect; as law enforcement it's not a one at a time sort of thing, it's recording actions and any gained evidence and returning as seen fit to narrow things down in a calculated manner. (And a manner that cannot be pointed at by defense!)
Even if a questioned individual seems ridiculous or fishy, it's your and your colleagues' duty to not jump to ANY abrupt conclusions and to always behave as neutral as possible so as to not affect the culprit's own behaviors.
Due diligence in solving a case also significantly involves avoiding red herrings that can impede a just conclusion--as well as closure for the living victims of the tragedy.
All of them probably pc warriors
Baby Dragon Yep it should been life
Life sentence in the UK is 25 years. Fucked up, I know. Especially in cases like poor Paige’s.
@@xxkatiexxization how does that make any sense? if they were "pc warriors", they would be more disgusted by this. Yall just try to throw empathetic people under the bus any chance you get. And then you call use snowflakes even though you guys bring this shit up way more often lol. Get over yourself.
The bf must've been devestated, poor guy and poor paige :/
He was waiting for her text but never received it😭 and lost her💔
it’s clear that she refused him when he was probably trying to flirt and he got mad and killed her.
with all the stab wounds and injuries you can tell he probably liked her a lot and got very angered when she didn’t like him back or show interest back
Maybe he was just "killing" his wife's first child, whose name is also Paige, through killing Paige. I mean, it's a strange coincidence, isn't it?
His logic: I don't want to be on sex offenders list, but I'd rather be murderer.
Because he thought he could get away with the murder
500 injuries? Omg! That poor girl. ☹
That is awful. 😡
Poor poor girl ☹️
Who's here from tiktok??
Rest well paige💕
I am
me
Me
Me
me !!
okay so if she started to fill out and application and then he saw that she was only 15, where is the application? was it ever found?
“It ruined his life, as it should” the way u said that is such a mood im jsjdjsj
How disturbing is it that kids on social media would want to pretend to be a vicious, bloody murderer in order to gain "status" in their social circle - to the point of creating props to bolster that claim?
It's so sick, like you'd wonder what their parents are doing to let their kids behave like that especially in a public place on social media
They should do time for being so sadistic
These days PEOPLE WILL DO ANYTHING FOR THEIR NAME TO BE KNOWN! SMH SAD RIP PAIGE 😭
every kid goes trough an gory emo phase, where they want to be seen as scary and "different", but pretending to be a murderer, in a recent case, which the family was (probably) still grieving, thats just not ok.
yeah, those sick fucks also should get a permanent record
I feel like that weirdo tried to touch her and then when she rejected him and treid to leave the shop he killed her. I'm sure he is just like his brother.
Exactly! Obvious to me that that’s exactly what happened, because his story was such bull.
I agree , Paige had a job in the hairdressers that she was happy with why would she apply for a different job?
I hate myself for singing Fantastic Baby when I saw your comment. Oh how I wish this was another video so I could sing
i’m so glad she doesn’t use creepy music in the back like i wanna watch these in the evening without being creeped out
literally two days after eleanor uploaded this video, paige's dad died from a 'broken heart' :( RIP
WAIT WHAT?? NOOO💔💔💔💔💔💔:(((((
NOOOOO
Wait what do you mean by 'broken heart' like suicide??💔💔💔💔💔
@@uhhok2056 I don't think so
unique queen Broken heart syndrome is a heart muscle failure that is usually caused by a stressful event. So basically he was heart broken about what happened to his daughter to the point where his heart muscles failed and he ended up passing away.
So in the dudes mind he thinks it’s better to murder someone instead of having a rumor spread about him...
Omg your name, lol :DDDD
i think that's an unrealistic excuse too, Sabrina
STELLAR! dang 😞
@@sibby4754 sorry :D
You make it too tempting
Your profile pic and name are honestly a whole mood
Solved cases are much more satisfying than unsolved. A mix of the two is good.
it’s crazy how fast someone’s life can change. and it’s also so so so crazy how if you had changed your action, you never would of ended up injured/dead. if she had decide to still go and get a roll from the first shop, she never would of been killed :(
These crime videos really snap me back to reality and make me aware of how dangerous out there actually is.....
How did he not have blood all over him when he ran out to go to the other store to buy the cleaning supplies?
Jessica Wilson changed clothes?????
Spare clothes??
he worked in a deli so he may have worn an apron.
let me ask you this:
would you run outside, bloody, in front of multiple people to see, after you've committed a murder?
(assuming that you wouldn't want to get arrested that is)
Butttttt spare clothes? Who has a spare outfit on hand just incase its covered in blood? Even if he had an apron, the amount of times he struck her, surely there would be splatters on the rest of his clothes... perhaps he was naked when he attacked her
This case fills me with SO much rage. Another girl murdered by a spineless emasculated incel. We all know what happened that day. He hit on her she was disgusted and her murdered in response. And they reduced his sentence? Disgusting. He lied and tried to tarnish that poor girls image but we know the truth. URG. Half her neck was missing and he's out in 23 years? WRONG on so many levels.
And he just casually puts her in a trash bag and throws her in his car like she’s nothing.
23 years is incredibly long time, also you don't know the truth, only he does.
He does not deserve 4 years off his sentence! He needs at least 40 years more!
Yes defo cause the number of stab wounds should be life
She got murdered and the guy who done it admitted it, i even met her she was so lovely
Lucy Mclaren sorry for ur loss xx 😚 💔
same
i lived in her
area
and she was reallly nice
she even baby
sat my sister once
😭😭
Lucy Mclaren yet doing 500 stab wounds gets only 27 years then gets reduced to 24.
maya moon you’re completely right
yea the judge should have increased it really to a full life tariff as he is a child killer , i would ike to ask the judge what he was thinking reducing the sentence madness with abit of luck someone will get to him .
Can we talk about how sweet and beautiful it is how they’re honoring her life in so many ways 🥺bless Paige’s and her family’s soul
They do wonderful things in her memory 💜
The second john said no I dont know her, i cant remember faces i knew it was him. Even in a big city you remember the regulars very fast. I've worked many coffee shops and they only need to come in a couple times before you even remember their order!
My thoughts exactly!
Yes! I lived in New York, went to the same bodega every morning for breakfast and they had my order memorized after only a week and a half of going everyday
I knew when his face was shown tbh
Well, I have a horribly bad face and name memory so I can actually imagine that he wouldn’t recognize her - I have a hard time recognizing anyone I don’t know well and haven’t met a lot of times before. However, from the video it seems that she was a regular around these shops so unless he was even worse with faces than I was, it is certainly suspicious...
Well i remember them by their orders but dont always know or remember their names. So its not that uncommon that he didn't know who they meant. But after they described her, im sure he knew. He was just lying, most likely.
Her mom is a strong and beautiful woman. I cannot imagine the agony of losing your beautiful child/best friend. It takes so much strength and light to be able to turn this tragedy into something positive for others. I wish the family so much love and happiness.
honestly I don't believe Paige said that at all, I think he probably made some kind of sexual move on her, she said no, faught him back and then he killed her because he couldn't get his own way. That's why the excuse of "she threatened to say I'd touched her" came into his head
I'm not even from Scottland and I think its bullshit I agree with you.
Yea I think thats defo what happened. Angers me that he would still try and twist what happened to shift the blame onto her. Coward.
That's what bottom-feeders like him do. When they do something noncish or predatory, they like to blame the victim or say s/he's lying.
As a 15 year old girl, i feel so sorry for her and the people that knew her. I can't imagine the horror and pain this poor girl went through. Rest in peace paige❤
I believe he actually tried to touch her and she then threatened him that she was gunna tell the police
lilly JJ Same!
That is exactly what I thought
Shut_It It’s called theories. Nothing wrong with them.
Me to!!
I just can't imagine the victim's last moments... I would be absolutely terrified 😓
I need to stop watching at 2:45am. Every time the hamster makes noise I freak out. 🤣🤣
I know that feeling very well.
Lol. I’m laying here listening to my hamster go wild on his water bottle, right now!
i remember watching this on the news when i was 13 years old, damn where has time gone, Sleep easy Paige...
Heartbroken about Paige, but her murderer is definitely lying about what happened. What a selfish, evil-minded man. He was so suspect before he became a suspect. So grateful for those cameras.
I can't stand when older generations talk about how safe the world used to be, or how they could play outside without their parents, left doors unlocked, went places with strangers, etc. As if 10+ of America's most infamous murderers weren't active in the 60s, 70s, & 80s. This world has NEVER been safe. We've just learned to be more vigilant, protective of our kids/families, & have developed better technologies to help stop/solve crimes. Unfortunately, literally ANYONE could be like this insane deli worker & you'd never know until it's too late. I pray Paige is resting peacefully. As a parent, I couldn't imagine this happening to my family.
We have a case on a 17 year old girl who was missing, for 6 months I think, until she was found dead on Christmas morning.
Her murderer is still not found and it's still unsure what truely happened to her.
She was found I believe 40 km away from where she was last seen in a lake.
:( It's terrible! It's terrible that these things happens.
Sofie Sørensen is this a Norwegian case?
@@maylinnhagensennymoen5444 no it's in Denmark it's in 2016 :)
Emilie Meng i think
@@jade_ehx600 exactly
@@420YOLOSWAG4JESUS It was on the news. That would be the same as saying this UA-camrs knows all this because she is the real criminal. Wth.
I am legit reporting you that's out of line.
You don't joke about murder and you don't accuse random people of it! It's not funny at all it's cruel and it's rude.
I moved from Scotland to England and Paige went to my school and I knew her, I miss her to much and when I found this video I couldn’t refuse to watch it. R.I.P 😢
I don't believe you. 😐
thatbadbitchtae tae why would someone lie about something like this...? -attention? If it’s for attention it shows how pathetic they are but I doubt it’s a lie
So now half of the people who watched this video “know her” and “go to school with her”
Dude you’re like 8- she was 15 and this was over 5 years ago.
*the female embodiment of shane dawson*
Fook tHanKs fOr tHe liKeS
They Should Collab!
They have very similar hair colours. Their eyes are the same colour
Yup 😂
SHES BI AND EVERYTHING! *S H A N E*
meh. shane’s a little too annoying
I know people don't mean anything by it but can the endless comments saying "yay!!" and the happy faces and what you were doing when you get the notification PLEASE STOP???
I love Eleanor and think her makeup is lovely too but good grief, this is about the murder of a beautiful girl. I've seen a total of one single comment giving her any respect or condolences.
Agree 100%, it's so insensitive
I totally agree with this. It’s also annoying to have to scroll through tons of hearts and yays to get to the comments about the video. They can write those on her other videos but have some respect for the crime ones
What makes you think that these comments don't have respect for what the video is about? ^
Let people comment what they want, if Eleanor doesn't like it then that's her choice.
You posted this as it was uploaded same hour? Lol, people are happy to be so early. What did you expect.
michelleprieur1 thank for mentioning this it bothers me because I think how inconsiderate for the persons involved including the victims family it’s such a sad case x
I really hope that boy who "pranked" his friends with the "bloody knife" did get some kind of help or detention. That is a clear move of needing attention, which could end up being worse in the future.
This poor girl is never far from my thoughts far to close to home , she was found next to my family’s home it’s something I will never forget , her mum is a warrior as for all her loved ones ! Honestly hope that beast rots in hell makes me sick he’s from same area as me , makes u hold ur babies closer , r.I.p Paige keep pouting babes 💜
Eleanor you should research the case of Emely Peguero. A 15-year-old pregnant teen that went missing last year. The case is honestly devastating and just last week marked a year since she was declared missing before the chaos. Some things might be in spanish because it happened in the Dominican Republic.
I honestly love that you do mainly British crimes because I always see the same American cases and hardly any British cases x
A pretty straight forward but hands down the most heart breaking British based case- the case of TIA SHARP!
Shout out to ash ahmad if it wasn’t for him they would have never solved this case Yeah the Muslim brother
I get where you are coming from, but his religion has nothing to do with him telling police the truth
I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this comment, what does his religion have to do with this?
Watching the cctv footage of Paige walking into that shop so casually and innocent unknowingly walking into her demise is chilling and tragic.
You should do one about my friend Gannon Stauch. He was murdered by his stepmother in Colorado Springs, and when I first saw her, I knew something was up with her. Me and Gannon went to school together, and I think by explaining the story,, I would have so much Closure
HarmHarm01 maybe try commenting on a more recent video, there might be more chance she’ll see it :)
im so sorry for your loss :(
i am so sorry for him and for you.
Stephanie Harlowe covered it really well.
@@pola1828 thank you, but now I know he's in a better place...
why do people hurt random people. was there a reason for them to hurt paige?
People are so evil and it's sad😑
No people are just horrible and sick
I think he probably made an advance on him and she told him no. That's enough for a sexual predator or murderer.
Paige's father Jon was taken to hospital on Saturday in a coma and sadly later passed away with "a broken heart"
Ah hate this, creeps me out cause I live not too far away from where she was killed... and I went to the shop and bought things from it as well.. (warning everything in that shop is out of date)
Anybody here off of TikTok
YUP
yeppp
YUP
Meh
Yup
A young, pretty, girl going into his shop most days and he wanted to try something. She turned him down and he didnt like it. So he snapped to stop her telling people. Thats my conclusion anyway.
Such a heartbreaking story but with some positive outcomes such as all the great things her mum and step dad do with donating gifts to charity etc.
I love your videos 💖
I totally agree, he was angry because she rejected him
I don't live far from where Paige lived, I pass where she was found often. I can't pass without thinking of her. It's awful what he did to her! I remember this story so well, it doesn't seem like so many years have passed. It was something everyone was talking about. The way many towns, communities and businesses made so much effort to show their sympathies and heartache for her and her family was touching. They lit up the crane with pink lights etc rest is peace sweetie xx
What a disgusting man. Rip paige❤️
He is a sickening and vile man who shouldn't even have a life anymore it's truly heartbreaking how he has destroyed such a happy little family but let's remember Paige as she was in person not the monster who took her life in the most vile way ever X
Just came back to re watch some videos out of Boredom and it really makes you realizes how AMAZINGLY Eleanor has been loving herself since this was posted! You look great here but babe it’s so clear that now you GLOW!! xoxoxo
hearing about what paiges family does in her memory gave me goosebumps. such good ways to honour a friend amd family member and spreading that love to others thru all these diff ways . its good to hear after all the sad stuff
Do the William Tyrrell case, from Australia. He was 3 years old when he disappeared in 2014 from his Grandma's home.
Such a sad story it is
@chlomontyy yeah, I’m still worried about him
chlomontyy I remember that being all over the news😭very sad :(
chlomontyy it feels like yesterday when I heard it on the news
That guy sounds dangerous , I hope he stays in jail for life
I feel so bad for her mother imagine how much pain she is in. My grandma said this when my uncle died. “ A child should bury their parent, not a parent bury their child.”
Only one watching this in 2019??
VVV JJJ nah I am to
God I hate these comments
No
No
*I'm in 3019*
No, 2020!
Her family has done so many beautiful things in her memory! Thank you for sharing her story!
Did the police not ask to see the application form that she started filling out? They would have seen her handwriting and her fingerprints would have been on the pen?
The police won't fingerprint items when they're general day to day items that have likely been in the hands of a number of people
Her mother is beautiful person.
Eleanor, please would you be able to cover the Karen Buckley case? Like Paige, her murder occurred in the Glasgow area only a few years ago and not even a few miles away from where I lived at the time. A heartbreaking case but I think you could tell her story with the tact and respect that she deserves.
Sarah Webley omg i know that case
MY FAV TRUE CRIME UA-camR BACK AT IT AGAIN, i love you♥️
Maia Missy SAME
I personally think he was attempting to be sexual with her. Like possibly making suggestive comments towards her, and then she said that if he didn’t stop she would tell someone what he was doing. I think that’s when he panicked and decided to kill her because if it got out that he was being a creep towards Paige it would have ruined his reputation (which is what he feared).
I’m from near where Paige stayed and John used to drive me and my older sister to school in the mornings!
Emma Hughes Very scary! 😱
Emma Hughes are you finished school or did you just stop going in his car
Grayson Dolan fan xx I had finished school x
Emma Hughes pk what was your feeling when you found out how much of a horrible man he really is
OH MY GOD.
I just want to thank you for all your hard work and I'm so glad I found your channel!! I've been binge watching you and I love the way you tell the story. Also, you are gorgeous on the inside and out and it's awesome you use your platform to make the world a better place (when you present a charity at the end). You are kind and selfless. You go girl ❣️ The sky is the limit!!! THANK YOU ❣️😘
as a Scottish person myself I find it hilarious that people don’t understand what the mums saying 😂
it seems almost ignorant to me, idk why. im from america and im normally awful at understanding accents but i got it just fine. maybe a word or two i couldnt understand at first but then id get it from context clues.
MichaelaSaysHai :3 oh yeah at first I thought it was literally so ignorant and I’d get mad but now that it’s so frequent that I just find humour in it.
@@sophie1803 i guess its better to laugh than get mad lol
U do realise this is about a murder...
Georgia Batchelor And...? What’s your fucking point?
i love how you had to add subtitles when the mother spoke
ngl as soon as they mentioned john i was convinced it was him for literally no reason until she went into detail about john
I have a question about when she went missing. When Dylan called and asked if Paige had shown up, and her boss said she hadn’t, why did her mother believe that Paige was just working hard at her job and wasn’t able to call or text her? Her boss said she wasn’t there, so that meant that she hadn’t made it to work, and was last seen before she got there. It wouldn’t make sense to think she was there, or working hard so she couldn’t make contact with her mother or friends. This is such a sad story. R.I.P Paige :(
I was wondering the same thing but I think she was trting to look at the bright side.
I assumed Eleanor had got confused
Emily Croteau She was saying Paige’s is mother didn’t think much about having not heard from her until the boyfriend called and said that she never made it to work and that she figured she was just busy. When the boyfriend told her she got concerned
I think Pamela meant why paige hadn't texted in the morning cause she might have been busy at work
I believe they should let me in a room alone with him for 5 minutes
Does anyone occasionally go on a watching spree on crime videos?
Everyday
I’ve been binge watching Kendall Rae and Eleanor for the last 2 days
Yassssss
mhm
Me
It's scary to think if she just went to the other shop, this wouldn't happen.
Maybe it would have happened the week after. Or a month later. :-(
Not scary it’s sad 😔
@@alyssamariah235 its scary to think and its sad she went through this xx
Mia Presland yep ❤️
Sadie Sullivan you’re proud of yourself?
My theory: He caught a liking to her after her coming into the shop so much and being such a bright and cheery person. He, in his own sick mind, thought that she was into him. He made an advance at her which she refused. It pissed him off and he lost it and killed her. The amount of wounds definitely suggests a person who is not in their right mind. The sloppiness of it all makes it pretty clear he'd never done it before.
Holly Drucker agreed
Makes sense really
Yeah I thought so too
I also do not think is a coincidence that his twin brother it ALSO happens to be a sex offender ...
It’s so sad
Im glad she doesn't use the eerie music and her voice is sooo nice
Same here, sometimes the music can be distracting
Ikr! It lowkey makes me scared so I love that she doesn't use it
Emma Jewel I’m not used to her voice since I’m American😂😂they way she talks is like so different
@@JazzyAllSports Really?
I'm American, but I'm really used to her accent for some reason..
The music makes me click off the video , it’s actually makes me depressed it sounds so odd
Sociopath. Plain and simple. He was watching her and probably killed her because she reminded him of his daughter who he probably had sexual impulses twards and was repressing. Page was killed with rage. So, that's my take on this.
I believe he might have actually tried something on her, she refused, then he got violent.
Plus he has a sex offender sibling, same genetics, same environment they grew up in, and he just HAD to make up an excuse about something sexual going on? That's no coincidence. The apple doesn't fall far from the other.
STELLAR! You should read into twin studies into crime if one twin has committed a crime the other twin is 81% more likely to commit crime even in circumstances where the other twin does not see each other or live together further proof that crime can be genetic
Drew Mitchell2000 that’s very interesting, and an impressively high likelihood, I’ll check those out, thank you
@@DrewMitchell-db1sk Yea its like that twins and triplets study that was never published where they were each placed in adopted families with different income/ social standing and they all turned out very similar. Way more things are genetic than people realise which scares people. It removes much the the free will we think we have.
This could be a possebility that he murdered her because of his sexual attraction to his own daughter, or that he was sexually attracted to Paige regardless, either way, a lot of rage was envolved here- could be because he hated himself for the possebility he is attracted to a young girl, or, that he was also *rejected* by her. Things like these are unfulfiled fantasies, that a person losing their control on them can get into a lot of frustrations when they can't come true. This could be also a direction for a person to follow the path of a typical serial killer.
The thought of him nearly bumping into a child while poor Paige’s body was bundled into that bin bag makes me feel sick🤢🤢🤢
IKR imagine being that child and not knowing that a dead body was near you...
same. imagine the child bumping into the bag and feeling it moving around and the blood that is dropping out? like ew
@@reillysantos8579 bro .. what ?
@@purplemoonzie120 I know what he means but that’s just messed
@@reillysantos8579 🤔 🤔 serial killer???
I need stop looking at comments before I finish these
Same hahaha it’s such a bad habit of mine
Same
it's just safe in the comments I need to stay here
doing that rn hahahah
fr im like whos eleanor and pamela 🤔
Am I the only one that thinks he probably had a secret obsession with Paige. From when she was young. Hence why his kid was called Paige. Probably said ‘oh can you help me round back’ tried to rape her. She defended herself and he killed her. Maybe she threatened to tell people. And he got angry because he’s seen the effects. But he wanted her to suffer. And that’s all I have to say. He wanted her to suffer.
Olivia Davies that’s what i was thinking.
I was thinking the same thing
YOU READ MY MIND
💯Percent Agree! Exactly what I was thinking 🤔
That sounds logical but you can't confirm it.
When mom's always complaining that I'm on my phone but that's gonna save me if I suddenly go silent one day
Extrovert Jellyfish
Same
Extrovert Jellyfish but I live with my mum so...
How will that save you though ?
M2DB your parents would know something is wrong if you’re always on your phone and then you go completely silent
@@inactivecakey445 yeah but then it might be too late .....
Can't even get your breakfast in the morning before work without having to worry about being murdered
It’s rare tho very
@@Kai-gs1ip I never said it wasn’t
@rain The point is men don’t have to be paranoid, but can a girl get a sandwich without being victimized? “Most of the time” he says. Oh how comforting thanks man! Keep handing out 24 yr sentences and it won’t change.
@@nonyab5640 Uh, I don't really get this sentence are you trying to say men can't get paranoid??? cause that's not true-
It's hard for women at times always feel like target I trust not many ppl. 🙈 Cruel place sometimes.
Those affair rumors sound like mean-spirited gossip. Trying to blame an innocent 15 year old for her own death
Yepp 100%
The sexism really shows
@@raeannaboehm619 yes. The fact that they had to explain why a man would kill a woman by making it ‘her fault’ bc she’s a s!u2 for having an affair and she ‘deserved’ it. Like my guys !! where’s the self awareness
@@jostewart3192 who said ‘she deserved it’ what 😂???
@@pk-sc8iz society is making it her fault and that she deserved it for sleeping around. They’re like ‘eh. You know she put herself in that situation’. Same with r4pe cases, they use clothes or intoxication to say ‘they’re at fault!’
im from scotland and i knew paige. I found some closure on this and it answered a load of questions i had.R.I.P paige
Becca it was on tv i watched it second time hearing it on this vid
Becca bless you 😚
I’m so sorry. My condolences for your loss. I don’t know how much you knew her but death impacts everyone.
Becca I’m from Scotland too xx
I'm so sorry, Rest in peace Paige ❤️
He said she filled out an application, did he have this said application?? I was curious about this.
I was thinking about that, too.
Omg good point
Probably not :3
M Hurley886 where was it in the court it probably was a fake alibi
he was fully lying 100%
why would a 15 year old girl that loved her job at a hairdressers want to work at a deli
She had a loving boyfriend who she’d text often, would she really have an affair with some old geezer twice her age, when she had someone lovely?
Literally. I swear there’s sexism in some of these cases. Like they can never accept that some men are just disgusting and rape and murder, it’s always gotta be the girls fault
I don't believe she was having an affair with him either, personally.
Unfortunately, ppl that DO cheat often have a "lovely" significant other. When someone cheats it has nothing to do with the person being cheated on, and everything to do with the cheater themselves. I'm in NO way saying I believe she herself was having an affair with that creeper. I don't know enough about her to know whether she'd do such a thing, and it's unfair for ppl to speculate or point fingers when she can't defend herself. His accusation of her infidelity holds no weight in my opinion. Not exactly the character type I'd look to for an honest explanation of the events that transpired.
Stay safe everyone 😷
The ONLY reason a pretty, young, confident young woman would be with an unattractive old man is if he's absurdly rich. A deli owner? No way in hell. And it's disgusting that he would drag her like that.
The fact that this was even a rumor is sick. It just shows how sexist people are towards young women.
@sleepy devil I don't know if you're being purposely obtuse but older men are not interested in young women for their personalities.