@@akaashchandra3088 I'm not. His notes were abstract, subjective trash with no depth. Just because someone was successful at some point in time it sure dont mean they are a proper expert.
I like the willingness for Timbo to give back to a young producer like yourself. You humbly accepted his feedback and put it out there for the whole world to see. . It shows you seek growth on a level that keeps you grounded. Many blessings to you sir!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@eskaylation I'm sorry, but "your taste is trash" is not a constructive review... If you believe in talking to your students like this, you are well below mid.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
To create the music for the Nelly Furtado song "Do It", racist idiot Timbaland (real name Timothy Zachery Mosley) stole a melody composed by Janne Suni from the Amiga demo community and when confronted laughed and said he just sampled a beat from a videogame, but it wasn't a videogame and it was more than just a sample. That's the very definition of rude. How much do you really know about his background? Nothing, actually. And this is what you simp for?
Its so crazy because its always the beats we actually love that when we let people hear them they usually dont like or pick them. They usually pick the ones we think are duds. It always happens that way.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
That's why the beats you don't like should be the ones you pay attention to as beat makers. My inhouse producer always says so many artist didn't pick the beat I chose. I told him all artist don't hear the same thing fam. Just be creative and don't get caught in making what every else is making. If it feels good it is good on some James Brown!
Some producers produce to impress other producers, others make beats for rappers. I think most of the producers on UA-cam fall into the first category.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@IMaBeastDoWatDEn I'm not here to bash T*m... To me, he is literally my #1 hip hop producer. ... still though, if your daughters dance teacher were to call your daughters lucky leotard ugly, would you allow that to happen without any clap back just because she has GOAT status in her field?
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@prodbypounce Metro Boomin is DEFINITELY a more accomplished producer than T*m, post Nelly Furtado, and he is probably a few years younger than Ocean... So if Metro says "I like that orchestral, cinematic trap" who are you going to listen to?
@@prodbypounce The whole session seemed judgmental... It was like a g*y person saying "If you like straight people, you are trash." or a straight person saying "If you like g*y people, you are trash... Ask the producer questions... How did you come to this conclusion? What is this beat being used for? and then say "If you want to produce for x, you might want to make it less cinematic. If you want to produce for y, it's perfect how it is." He basically called his daw "weird" and inferior. What kind of nerdy sh*t did we just watch?
Having the ability to have Timbaland critique your work regardless of whether he messing with it or not is a big achievement. Theres lessons for everyone in this video too! appreciate you sharing your journey with us every time 🙏
Except, it's Timbascam. You do know about the many times he's stolen not only beats, but entire melodies form other composers? Of course you don't! You aren't expected to be educated! Steal what can be stolen, that's the way to be!
If you've made beats for 8 years then you're at the point where every beat you make has to be somewhat "good" = It shouldn't really matter what beats you play. Also I think its better to showcase your "generic" beats because thats what you're really making/selling most of the time. Ofc you might have a really good beat once in a while but showcasing them here wouldn't really help to improve Ocean if he wants to actually increase sales and stuff
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Wow he was right on and straightforward and honest. Thats how you get someone better at their craft though. Can’t sugarcoat anything. You just have to be able to humble yourself and really take it in and see if the advice resonates. If it does make the corrections and keep pushing.
He knows the camera is on him. When he was stealing beats from the Amiga demo scene and insulting them did you also love him? Oh, wait, you didn't know about that becasue you never bothered to learn more about him than what you saw on UA-cam.
Ocean gonna reach even greater heights than he has reached now. From going to his tiny studio in Manchester in 2020 to where he is at now, and where his new studio is. He is unstoppable, he will always keep pushing and thats what inspires us as your audience to keep pushing and grinding too. Thanks Ocean!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Yoo HUGE respect to you for sharing this with your community! I really appreciate that a lot cause normally you only see the "perfect" world of producers who are always winning etc. But this shows that in reality even if you are as good as Ocean you still have to take some failure to develop as an artist. Thanks! You helped me a lot with this video!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Hey man, props to ocean for putting himself out there like that. There's a fine line between constructive criticism and completely deteriorating somebody's confidence in perfecting their craft. Timbaland is one of the best to ever do it and this criticism is more valuable than any piece of equipment money can buy. Keep pushing Brotha!!!
I’ve been in this type of situation before. You tend to present your worst beats when the time comes to present something to the pros in the industries. And also one thing, we producers, the beat we like is usually the worst of all the beats we do. I don’t know why it’s always like that. The beat I don’t love among my beats and music in general is what people around me tend to move their body to. I totally understand what ocean was facing at this point
Bro this is crazy that we usually hear better beats from you than what you presented to Timbo but hey having those feedbacks from a such legend is sick. This is one step forward to becoming a greater producer than you already are. & this gives us the opportunity to hear what we can do to improve our production, like i already said in the pass, i wish to collab with you one day. Keep up the good work 🤙🏾
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
I remember when I sent my first beat to Timbo, he's being honest. and as much as we want to be creative and use what ever sound we want to use; sometimes we walk all over the idea that maybe the sound doesn't fit or the melody. When I hear "the melody doesn't fit, the first thing I think of is" the track is lacking syncopation. Keep rockin 🙌🏾
Thank you for sharing this Ocean…it shows you got grit and humility to ALWAYS improve…gives the younger generation something to look forward to…thank you!!!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
NAH DAWG THATS LEGENDARY THIS IS SO COOL Edit: just finished the video and damn what I would give to be able to have him coach me too that sounds really fun and also super informative
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 you’re acting like I’m boutta take his word as completely law with no questions.. you can’t be surprised that I would want to take the opinion of one of the most influential and decorated producers of all time into account tho so yeah no shit I’m gonna take his advice seriously 😂
@@DrGuy118 bruh I don’t even know you you were the one who came into my comment being all hostile calling tim trash and even censoring his name like ????
I think Tim was pretty spot on. He has a seasoned ear of over three decades. And even though the music scene has past his sound by and modern music sounds much different then his era. He still has a great ear. It takes a lot of guts to post a video like this. Big up to you.
extremely useful feedback i must say. you can hear each of the suggestions/problems he pinpointed. and sure, you can agree or disagree but the main point is to use his ability to dissect and hear the complete track and its parts in other contexts in his head, instantaneously. It forces you to really think of what you are doing.
Damn, I felt nervous for you as you was playing him your beats. It must have felt like waiting for approval from your parents or something. Great vid tho
@@ashwinniamat8560 nope, for a producer Timbaland's opinion is worth more than just some dude's that's like a bball player looking up to lebron and you saying he's just some guy
@@ashwinniamat8560 Timbaland is what we all want to become. He is inspiration. Whenever I feel down, I listen to his podcasts. He inspired to many artists. His timbaland course made what I'm today. (That course was lit only for his interview).
@@simpiderman That's okay. But if you would ask timba, should you idolize of become unique. Guess what my man's gonna say. Ashwin is right. So that's what im referring to. To many clones out here.
Congrats bro, you did put yourself on the fya and aint get burned!!! this situation is the best way to improve, like be advised by someone like Timbo is dope, for sure you gonna grow alot after it!!!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Yeah those beats really don't need his approval. I've never really been a big Timbo fan especially in his later years. To me he's become that old guy in the room stuck on old ways that thinks they still got it or know what they're talking about. Times have changed and styles have also. Ocean could definitely find someone on any of those beats.
@@qtippz Somebody give this man a Grammy for this comment... Plus, you can't really fully mix a song unless you have vocals on it, or else the song won't match with the vocals. Listen to this song ua-cam.com/video/Nr9wi89weu8/v-deo.html It's fairly straightforward beat... I am sure T*m would trash the beat, but the way it is mixed makes it my top 5 song in '22.
@@DrGuy118nah, he had the Timberlake album around the same time, and Shock Value had a lot of fire beats-I think I preferred that one over the the Timberlake and Furtado albums, just for the variety if nothing else. He was addicted to pain killers (OxyContin, I believe) shortly after that and almost died. So he lost a lot of time because of that, had to regain his health and sobriety, and then music changed to cutesy, teen tik tok trap music that all sounds like it was made by the same guy or A.I. bot. The guy still has a lot of knowledge, though. I would bet that he’ll still find a way to come out with something dope before it’s all said and done. I think he has one more classic in him, he’s just waiting for the right time and project.
Respect to you and your grinding bro! Im always super honest even doe it might hurt its better to be honest. The problem with these beats you showed are that they are not unique, you are doing what has been done for 10 years or more. I think i almost recocginze all the drum sounds, and just starting there, record / pitch / combine your own drum sounds, or dig and find your own samples, otherwise you sound like 97% of all the beatmakers out there. There is to much of everything everywhere on the word wide web and to make good stuff one have to be unique, simply just being 100% yourself. Fins inspiration somewhere else than the music your going to make, travel, I dont know, hehe your own roots dig there. THere are milions of ways to explore and find a unique own sound. Avoid the comercial sample stations!!! God bless u bro, love your grind! big RESPECT
i catch some of the beatclub streams from time to time and tim is very selective. good that he actually had a conversation and gave you some direction instead of just dismissing it like some of the things that get played for him.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 he produces some of the songs out there today but is behind the scenes, we only really hear about it if people start talking about it, e.g. when he made J Cole's "amari" beat live on twitch (and deleted it because it wasn't good enough for tim) and j cole contacted him for it and he had to remake it, we don't really hear much about what he does, but there's also a video of him with billie eilish and his producers playing some beats for her, so who knows what he does behind the scenes
@@supermatt-99 I really do not take offense or question T*m's ability to make a beat... I question his ability to handle his student with respect and to have an open mind.
It's always great to get feedback from a friend or fellow producer... it's even better that it was Timbo helping you out. Now I'm second guessing MY tag. lol I kinda ran into something similar while tryna make a reggaeton beat... where it sounded it good but something was missing cuz it just felt like I was tryna mesh two different genres. Add a lil percussion and speeding up the melody a little might help. Or like Timbaland said, try a different one. He's right though... you're getting there and that's dope. Keep doing big things Ocean.
I understand some may think of better beats however, I feel this feedback was super vital regardless of how the records sounded. We all know Ocean goes hard, so that same feedback he will apply to any of his records from here out. This was such a humbling experience and you earned it Ocean!!💯
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Wow man he really put things in perspective. Everybody need to work things out. Sometimes it hurts to hear the truth, but if you put that behind yourself and really dig in and start experimenting it will change everything you do. I am going through this same thing and have been for a few years. I had to rework my melodies and drums. I use Ableton and the Akai Force to produce. So I had to rethink my workflow a little and come up with a smoother way for me to make less generic sounding stuff. It's not perfect, but I'm getting closer to finding my sound.
Finally. Feedback from the best. So no need to take offense. Just take it in and improve. Not these yes men that always try to act nice. We all need improvement. You’re so blessed to have had this experience. Just improve everything bro. Keys: learn scales. Engineering: learn dynamics and eq. Sound design: synthesis. Just keep getting better. Don’t stop.
Ur actually like one of the goat producers on yt right now as someone who gets real insecure about there beats and thinks they suck this helps showing that producers aren't always perfect but the beats were still fire bro
Everything happens for a reason my bro. Maybe you weren’t meant to show him your best beats for a bigger reason and to just make you a better producer. Because I’ll echo what everyone else is saying here that you have muchhhh better songs than what you displayed to him but sometimes we can all get things out of perspective on our art. Either way this is legendary that you were able to have this experience. Keep doin your thing homie you’re crushin it 🙏🏼💪🏼
First , thank you for sharing this with us. secondly, I like how you took the criticism positively to enable you be more good at your craft. Thirdly, This channel is 🔥
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
3:47 i don’t think it‘s too „cinematic“ or not even „outdated“ as Timbaland says. @ocean just check out the German rapper LUCIANO with his newest album „MAJESTIC“. this is definitely a beat that he‘d rocked and also nearly all beats from this album are like yours. I love it bro!
I know Tim doesn't like anything that isn't his, unless it's a rare day, but I do agree with some of the stuff he said. The last beat was definitely the best of the batch. I liked the cinematic drill beat too. If I'm being honest, though, there's a lot of beats that sound extremely similar. The beat game is over saturated with cool beats, but they don't have an original sound. Back when Tim was making hits, he had a sound. A lot of it probably has to do with everyone using the same drums, and plugins, in current times. If people started to mess with sound design, and made sounds that never existed before, it would take the staleness out of hip hop.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
I love you ocean. I learned practically everything on logic from you and you’ve got pretty dope sounds that would have blow Timbo away. The world gonna recognize your great talent soon enough and great coaching by a mentor and icon timbs love❤
2:40 Some actual musical constructive criticism for this (and kind of explains what Tim tried to sing) is that could use some Legato. I don't think the Staccato hits work over it, the drums are so rigid the melody could do with some movement or slide.
Yo! that was amazing. I guarantee with no doubt in my mind you are going to get 100 times better. Logic is my favorite daw but Ableton and Fl Drum just hit differently, Sometime you have to get off your comfort zone
Tim is right, a lot of UA-cam producers make beats no one would rap on because they sound too cinematic and overproduced. You have to leave room for the artist on beats
I’ve been watching you since I started producing two years ago!You’re an amazing producer and I’m excited to continue to see your journey and growth. I love the feedback TIMBALANDD gave cause that’s the only way we get even better. I do feel like you have better beats tho 😅 flowers to you Ocean, sending love from nyc 🔥
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@G-Money_BKK T*m is an amazing artist... I just feel that a few comments he made, he had no right to make... Other than that, he is a stellar producer.
I'm apart of timbo's beat club and the biggest thing I learned it's a feeling you're looking and it should Spark some type of feeling if it's not it's not it
It's all a matter of opinion. Timbaland can say "oh you need to keep it simple" but then go listen to his beat from "Ayo Technology" 50 Cent Feat. Justin Timberlake. It's like, he's critiquing because he's supposed to. Because if someone like Metro Boomin played him these exact beats he would be nodding his head like crazy saying how fire they are. Of course, it's Timbaland and his opinion is very valued in the field. But like I said he has to critique because Ocean is up and coming and he's a legend, I get it. But like I said if an established mainstream famous producer played these same beats he'd be singing their praises. So it's hard for me to really value his opinion too much.
This is cat. He has plenty of other videos where he is going crazy to various These beats just weren’t good. The AO technology beat is fire. You can pull up the instrumental here on YT. It starts off, kind of whatever, with that cinematic pad or whatever. Obviously, the vocals sounds better because Five is doing an intro But when the pitched snares come in, it’s a wrap. And when the main beat drops, all I was doing was stank face😂 Not to mention, you arw comparing a beat that is at least 16 years old lol.
so dope, alot of respect to have him in a Ft. i like how you showed off the not so usual beats to him for this video... kinda curious on the beats you showed him that he fucked with heavy. you make killer beats, and i know you had some in your arsenal that you shot out.
He gave you the best present. Some real advices. We call it a Chinese gift, not a present you may like, but something that will be very useful. You are doing great beats, and I know it will uplift your future work. Keep on !
Do you think that part of this is that you and Timbaland have very different styles? I’m surprised at the selection you played him vs the other beats you’ve put up on your videos in the past that I think would have resonated with him more.
It's funny how we are judged by the pros, lol but this is art, you are actually seeking many opinions. Not from one person. Most people who listen to music just enjoy it. Those beats are 🔥and depends on who sing or rap on them that makes the hit song.
@@Erisbeatz what he played was very generic bro, nothing new, if you take generic beats to a legendary producer, he is going to shit on it that's very obvious. Literally every drill beat sounds like the one here, literally every lil baby type beat sounds like the first beat. you gotta be unique man.
@@ShivamKumar-ip6sk agreed, But it doesn't mean if those beats are used by big names it won't be a hit, one thing is to be unique another is to be there.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Timbaland said "Too Rockyish" haha. I really enjoy your channel, and I do like these beats for real - great work. I'm a fan of big instrumentation which I tend to lean into at time with my productions as well. His feedback is great - I will say definitely aimed for MCs. That's the tough part, picking something you are proud of but also want to lead with your best artwork from the listener's perspective. It's really hard to pick! You probably have hundreds of awesome beats in the wings and knowing which ones will be the top is tough...I felt nervous for you haha. Keep it up though, great work and it says a lot about you willing to expose critique and be humble in doing so. Awesome stuff Ocean.
This is dope as hell but I think you for sure have better beats lol But I guess the point wasn't to impress him but to get meaningful feedback on your weaker areas. Shout out to you my boi!
The Daw doesn't matter just pick one of the top 3 FL Logic or Ableton and learn one. Timbaland saying Logic is only Good for vocals is a Big L "A Good Craftsman Never Blames His Tools"
That’s the only thing that bothers me about his critique here. Throwing shade at DAW is crazy. Daw’s are just a foundation for a creator to build what they hear.
@@billybarrett272 Exactly. Create heat, regardless of DAW. I see this in the DJ world, where DJs are always bickering over the superior DJ application, be it Serato, Rekordbox, Virtual DJ, Traktor, Algoriddim. The average person listening to music doesn't care which DAW a song was created in or what DJ application it was played thru, They just want to hear their favorite songs. Use what works best for you and keep it moving. Too much gatekeeping going on these days.
4 realz. You can make a beat on anything, using anything, tables, spoons, cups trash cans, hell use your dam voice, jus use your imagination and have fun. I'm still banging out tracks on Logic pro 9. I only use it as a daw, if have external gear fo dat ass also. And my iPad with mo software. Bottom line, never let anyone tell you what not to do, real musicians play from the heart and if people feel it they feel it. Timbo is dope! But I don't like everything he puts out either. Yah-dah...
As a person who uses Ableton, Logic, and Protools. Ableton feels more conducive to what Timbaland is saying. His creativeness and experimentation flows well in a DAW like Ableton. Many Ableton users are the epitome of “let’s try this.” “I wonder what this will do.” Until they find something they like. Where I musicians have an easier time in Logic.
Nice of you putting this online man. It's nice to have The one and only Mr Timbaland reviewing your songs and giving tips on how to improve yourself. Great stuff! And I know what he means because I always have the same problem with my beats, the Melodies are too much and they need to give more air for a rapper to rap on it. Same as in a band everyone needs to give space for the other instruments. Thanks for putting this online, helps a lot!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid. I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly that first beat was super fire. Like the drums and the 808s hit really hard. Got some style Ocean I use FL but this shit hit hard bro. You are really one of the top producers out here in this world bro. I don’t care if he doesn’t like your beats. I like them and hundreds other people keep making 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
There are levels to this!! Imagine all the producers Timberland has heard!? you stuff has to be phenomenal to impress him, otherwise you just sound like all these modern producers who opened a DAW 5 mins ago!
@@less_tress No I dont agree I dont think he sucks at all. He is at a good level but is caught up in this modern emulation production style or approach and needs to define his own style (In this day and age its hard for the majority) not just conform to stand out. I think its great that he tries all styles of music and think with regards to music he has very high potential to be on all round fire. I tend to make all kinds of music so appreciate his approach to giving everything a go! Aside from that he is on fire with his youtube channel. I truly believe he is gonna have a hit at some point due to his talent, links, and capital!
I learnt so much from this. Thank you for your willingness to have him critique your beats. I can now see all the areas where I need to improve myself. It really is a process.
Sorry bro, you completely lost me after you said you listen to Drake the most, that’s one dull artist to follow, need to upgrade your musical taste and ear
I like the fact that he didn’t hold back and he told you what to improve and how you can improve. Overall great video!
The fk does Timbaland know, lol.
@@Woodsaras you're kidding right
@@Woodsaras ??? Have you even heard of the dude
@@akaashchandra3088 I'm not. His notes were abstract, subjective trash with no depth. Just because someone was successful at some point in time it sure dont mean they are a proper expert.
@@prod.7aco194 yes, obviously
Oceans got wayyy better beats than what he displayed here
Wat I said
Agreed
Facts tho
You are only as good as your worst beat.
@@Haku_records i like this
I like the willingness for Timbo to give back to a young producer like yourself. You humbly accepted his feedback and put it out there for the whole world to see. . It shows you seek growth on a level that keeps you grounded. Many blessings to you sir!
He paid money for that feedback. Beat club ain't free.
He's not "giving back" anything, but yes, feedback is important.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
@@DrGuy118exactly
Inspiring how you show this basically unedited, its lowkey putting yourself up vulnearble and i think that's powerful.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 low can always learn from mid...
@@eskaylation I'm sorry, but "your taste is trash" is not a constructive review... If you believe in talking to your students like this, you are well below mid.
Honestly I'm honest
EXACTLY!!!
honestly felt like you have better beats than what you showed him
Bruh 👀
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Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 trash? Lol um ok.
@@crazyace88 Without browsing wikipedia, or youtube, name one hot T*m song that was released since the the iphone 1 came out.
For all who think Timbaland is "rude" - he isn't. Music producers talk to each other like that. That's perfectly normal.
@@thomsonhomson Exactly
To create the music for the Nelly Furtado song "Do It", racist idiot Timbaland (real name Timothy Zachery Mosley) stole a melody composed by Janne Suni from the Amiga demo community and when confronted laughed and said he just sampled a beat from a videogame, but it wasn't a videogame and it was more than just a sample. That's the very definition of rude. How much do you really know about his background? Nothing, actually. And this is what you simp for?
Its so crazy because its always the beats we actually love that when we let people hear them they usually dont like or pick them. They usually pick the ones we think are duds. It always happens that way.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
That's why the beats you don't like should be the ones you pay attention to as beat makers. My inhouse producer always says so many artist didn't pick the beat I chose. I told him all artist don't hear the same thing fam. Just be creative and don't get caught in making what every else is making. If it feels good it is good on some James Brown!
Honestly I'm honest
It those beats were shit…I wonder if he did that on purpose…Tim was being nice here
Some producers produce to impress other producers, others make beats for rappers. I think most of the producers on UA-cam fall into the first category.
The moments where Timbaland just mumbles ocean's melodies with his mouth are just gold
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 He literally produced Amari by J cole in 2 minutes
Honestly I'm honest
@@DrGuy118 he’s old now but he’s still a goat and knows a lot about music and can offer info
@@IMaBeastDoWatDEn I'm not here to bash T*m... To me, he is literally my #1 hip hop producer.
... still though, if your daughters dance teacher were to call your daughters lucky leotard ugly, would you allow that to happen without any clap back just because she has GOAT status in her field?
Timbaland is also one of my fav producers so this is legendary!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 But this guy has been in the game longer than Ocean has been so if anyone should be taking advice from anyone it’s Timbaland
@@prodbypounce Metro Boomin is DEFINITELY a more accomplished producer than T*m, post Nelly Furtado, and he is probably a few years younger than Ocean...
So if Metro says "I like that orchestral, cinematic trap" who are you going to listen to?
@@DrGuy118 or even Nick Mira he hasn’t been in the game long and he has multi platinum hits
@@prodbypounce The whole session seemed judgmental... It was like a g*y person saying "If you like straight people, you are trash." or a straight person saying "If you like g*y people, you are trash...
Ask the producer questions... How did you come to this conclusion? What is this beat being used for? and then say "If you want to produce for x, you might want to make it less cinematic. If you want to produce for y, it's perfect how it is."
He basically called his daw "weird" and inferior. What kind of nerdy sh*t did we just watch?
Having the ability to have Timbaland critique your work regardless of whether he messing with it or not is a big achievement. Theres lessons for everyone in this video too! appreciate you sharing your journey with us every time 🙏
Except, it's Timbascam. You do know about the many times he's stolen not only beats, but entire melodies form other composers? Of course you don't! You aren't expected to be educated! Steal what can be stolen, that's the way to be!
Im so surprised with your beats selection. You've created WAY BETTER beats throughout the years. Im confused
If you've made beats for 8 years then you're at the point where every beat you make has to be somewhat "good" = It shouldn't really matter what beats you play. Also I think its better to showcase your "generic" beats because thats what you're really making/selling most of the time. Ofc you might have a really good beat once in a while but showcasing them here wouldn't really help to improve Ocean if he wants to actually increase sales and stuff
Thats a good point
What’s the point for timb to come on just to say his beats is fire..the point of playing wack beats is for promotion
makes more sense to play something he can criticise the audience can benefit more.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Wow he was right on and straightforward and honest. Thats how you get someone better at their craft though. Can’t sugarcoat anything. You just have to be able to humble yourself and really take it in and see if the advice resonates. If it does make the corrections and keep pushing.
Everyone: "Superstars are arrogant"
Timbo: "I thank you for allowing me to coach you"
Love this dude.
He knows the camera is on him. When he was stealing beats from the Amiga demo scene and insulting them did you also love him? Oh, wait, you didn't know about that becasue you never bothered to learn more about him than what you saw on UA-cam.
Ocean gonna reach even greater heights than he has reached now. From going to his tiny studio in Manchester in 2020 to where he is at now, and where his new studio is. He is unstoppable, he will always keep pushing and thats what inspires us as your audience to keep pushing and grinding too. Thanks Ocean!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
Those were the most gentle roastings ive ever seen a producer give in my life
Yoo HUGE respect to you for sharing this with your community! I really appreciate that a lot cause normally you only see the "perfect" world of producers who are always winning etc. But this shows that in reality even if you are as good as Ocean you still have to take some failure to develop as an artist. Thanks! You helped me a lot with this video!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 excuse me??
Hey man, props to ocean for putting himself out there like that. There's a fine line between constructive criticism and completely deteriorating somebody's confidence in perfecting their craft. Timbaland is one of the best to ever do it and this criticism is more valuable than any piece of equipment money can buy. Keep pushing Brotha!!!
Imagine getting in front of Timbaland and playing this out of all your beats
😂😂😂
Bro, I’m not tryna hate but these beats just had nothing special about them at all. Very generic, like he said.
@@bc8715exactly my thoughts
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I’ve been in this type of situation before. You tend to present your worst beats when the time comes to present something to the pros in the industries. And also one thing, we producers, the beat we like is usually the worst of all the beats we do. I don’t know why it’s always like that. The beat I don’t love among my beats and music in general is what people around me tend to move their body to. I totally understand what ocean was facing at this point
Bad ratio though ALL of the beats are wack. How can you play 5 duds? Tells me there's not much musical awareness here.
That face of Ocean after getting disrespect on every beat😂😂.
It's called criticism.
@@mrtnm121 ngl i think hes trying to force criticism
At the end of the day I learnt something
@@endless1247 🥴 his criticism was 100%, I’m tryna think why he’d play these beats to Timbaland
He just gives his opinion
Bro this is crazy that we usually hear better beats from you than what you presented to Timbo but hey having those feedbacks from a such legend is sick. This is one step forward to becoming a greater producer than you already are. & this gives us the opportunity to hear what we can do to improve our production, like i already said in the pass, i wish to collab with you one day. Keep up the good work 🤙🏾
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
I remember when I sent my first beat to Timbo, he's being honest. and as much as we want to be creative and use what ever sound we want to use; sometimes we walk all over the idea that maybe the sound doesn't fit or the melody.
When I hear "the melody doesn't fit, the first thing I think of is" the track is lacking syncopation. Keep rockin 🙌🏾
Honesty is key, I like that he's telling you what you don't want to hear, it's the best way forward! 🌟💜📈
Thank you for sharing this Ocean…it shows you got grit and humility to ALWAYS improve…gives the younger generation something to look forward to…thank you!!!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
The fact you posted this made me respect you even more bro, humbling.
NAH DAWG THATS LEGENDARY THIS IS SO COOL
Edit: just finished the video and damn what I would give to be able to have him coach me too that sounds really fun and also super informative
because everything he says is str8 FAX lol, living legend
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@DrGuy118 you’re acting like I’m boutta take his word as completely law with no questions.. you can’t be surprised that I would want to take the opinion of one of the most influential and decorated producers of all time into account tho so yeah no shit I’m gonna take his advice seriously 😂
@@prod.7aco194 Decorated 20 years ago... What have you done for me lately except shoot down some amazing ideas?
@@DrGuy118 bruh I don’t even know you you were the one who came into my comment being all hostile calling tim trash and even censoring his name like ????
I think Tim was pretty spot on. He has a seasoned ear of over three decades. And even though the music scene has past his sound by and modern music sounds much different then his era. He still has a great ear. It takes a lot of guts to post a video like this. Big up to you.
extremely useful feedback i must say. you can hear each of the suggestions/problems he pinpointed. and sure, you can agree or disagree but the main point is to use his ability to dissect and hear the complete track and its parts in other contexts in his head, instantaneously. It forces you to really think of what you are doing.
Damn, I felt nervous for you as you was playing him your beats. It must have felt like waiting for approval from your parents or something. Great vid tho
Why. He just a dude. They all are lmao.
@@ashwinniamat8560 nope, for a producer Timbaland's opinion is worth more than just some dude's
that's like a bball player looking up to lebron and you saying he's just some guy
@@ashwinniamat8560 Timbaland is what we all want to become. He is inspiration.
Whenever I feel down, I listen to his podcasts. He inspired to many artists. His timbaland course made what I'm today. (That course was lit only for his interview).
@@simpiderman That's okay. But if you would ask timba, should you idolize of become unique. Guess what my man's gonna say. Ashwin is right. So that's what im referring to. To many clones out here.
@@ashwinniamat8560 taking inspiration and copying them is different thing
Congrats bro, you did put yourself on the fya and aint get burned!!! this situation is the best way to improve, like be advised by someone like Timbo is dope, for sure you gonna grow alot after it!!!
Honestly keep doing you. The artists will come to you. Not all beats need to be nor should be Timbaland approved.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
Yeah those beats really don't need his approval. I've never really been a big Timbo fan especially in his later years. To me he's become that old guy in the room stuck on old ways that thinks they still got it or know what they're talking about. Times have changed and styles have also. Ocean could definitely find someone on any of those beats.
@@qtippz Somebody give this man a Grammy for this comment... Plus, you can't really fully mix a song unless you have vocals on it, or else the song won't match with the vocals.
Listen to this song ua-cam.com/video/Nr9wi89weu8/v-deo.html
It's fairly straightforward beat... I am sure T*m would trash the beat, but the way it is mixed makes it my top 5 song in '22.
@@DrGuy118nah, he had the Timberlake album around the same time, and Shock Value had a lot of fire beats-I think I preferred that one over the the Timberlake and Furtado albums, just for the variety if nothing else.
He was addicted to pain killers (OxyContin, I believe) shortly after that and almost died. So he lost a lot of time because of that, had to regain his health and sobriety, and then music changed to cutesy, teen tik tok trap music that all sounds like it was made by the same guy or A.I. bot.
The guy still has a lot of knowledge, though. I would bet that he’ll still find a way to come out with something dope before it’s all said and done. I think he has one more classic in him, he’s just waiting for the right time and project.
he just didnt tell you something that you wanna hear but something you HAVE TO hear. That was cool and it showed that he really want to help you
I love how involved Timbaland is with the underground. He truly out here to help up and coming artists. He’s always gone be one of my favourites
This ain't the underground, this is UA-cam.
Respect to you and your grinding bro! Im always super honest even doe it might hurt its better to be honest.
The problem with these beats you showed are that they are not unique, you are doing what has been done for 10 years or more. I think i almost recocginze all the drum sounds, and just starting there, record / pitch / combine your own drum sounds, or dig and find your own samples, otherwise you sound like 97% of all the beatmakers out there. There is to much of everything everywhere on the word wide web and to make good stuff one have to be unique, simply just being 100% yourself. Fins inspiration somewhere else than the music your going to make, travel, I dont know, hehe your own roots dig there. THere are milions of ways to explore and find a unique own sound. Avoid the comercial sample stations!!!
God bless u bro, love your grind! big RESPECT
i catch some of the beatclub streams from time to time and tim is very selective. good that he actually had a conversation and gave you some direction instead of just dismissing it like some of the things that get played for him.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
@@DrGuy118 he produces some of the songs out there today but is behind the scenes, we only really hear about it if people start talking about it, e.g. when he made J Cole's "amari" beat live on twitch (and deleted it because it wasn't good enough for tim) and j cole contacted him for it and he had to remake it, we don't really hear much about what he does, but there's also a video of him with billie eilish and his producers playing some beats for her, so who knows what he does behind the scenes
@@supermatt-99 I really do not take offense or question T*m's ability to make a beat... I question his ability to handle his student with respect and to have an open mind.
I love how he gave honest criticism. It’s funny how some people hate on FL studio but here you have a Grammy winning producer recommending FL Studio
Timbaland just doesn't like logic! 🤣 But I loved the third beat and the last beat. Proud of my boy Ocean, well done! 💪🏽🔥🔥🔥
It's always great to get feedback from a friend or fellow producer... it's even better that it was Timbo helping you out.
Now I'm second guessing MY tag. lol
I kinda ran into something similar while tryna make a reggaeton beat... where it sounded it good but something was missing cuz it just felt like I was tryna mesh two different genres.
Add a lil percussion and speeding up the melody a little might help.
Or like Timbaland said, try a different one.
He's right though... you're getting there and that's dope. Keep doing big things Ocean.
2:05 Ocean was about to burst out laught lmaoooooo
look more like he was about to crash out lolol
@@supplantermusic9413stop saying that bruh
I smiled and was so happy every time Timbo was like, "You got another beat?"
I understand some may think of better beats however, I feel this feedback was super vital regardless of how the records sounded. We all know Ocean goes hard, so that same feedback he will apply to any of his records from here out. This was such a humbling experience and you earned it Ocean!!💯
bro just having the attention of Timba and his trying-to-help criticism is already a blessing
The beats are very good. Timbo just likes to be a super coach. Ocean, you dont need to get those negative comments too serious. Great beats👍
Ofc! It’s all love, +ve criticism
Nah ocean take the lessons. Only weak people see it as negative or hate. He paid his dues.
weak mindset
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
Nahh that last beat was fire no cap, keep this shi up dawgie
"I dont hear no song over it" alot of beat makers tend to forget that 🔑
Exactly they get lost in making cool noise that nobody can make songs on. I'm shocked ocean only played trash beats on this. He has way better stuff
@@spartanghost_17😂😂😂
Wow man he really put things in perspective. Everybody need to work things out. Sometimes it hurts to hear the truth, but if you put that behind yourself and really dig in and start experimenting it will change everything you do. I am going through this same thing and have been for a few years. I had to rework my melodies and drums. I use Ableton and the Akai Force to produce. So I had to rethink my workflow a little and come up with a smoother way for me to make less generic sounding stuff. It's not perfect, but I'm getting closer to finding my sound.
Well the truth is bitter, the GOAT was right. If he'd played the beat for like small producers we'd be like 🔥🔥😤.
Respect to you Ocean for letting Timbo hear your beats. That’s how you get better man. Wish you nothing but success in 2023.
Bruh this is legendary, Simon is gonna be pissed😂,that’s his fav producer
Finally. Feedback from the best. So no need to take offense. Just take it in and improve. Not these yes men that always try to act nice. We all need improvement. You’re so blessed to have had this experience. Just improve everything bro. Keys: learn scales. Engineering: learn dynamics and eq.
Sound design: synthesis. Just keep getting better. Don’t stop.
Nice to see Tim put you in the right direction much respect
Ur actually like one of the goat producers on yt right now as someone who gets real insecure about there beats and thinks they suck this helps showing that producers aren't always perfect but the beats were still fire bro
Nah the drill beat was on point - it’s all about who you work with for one like that
To my ear, I see a career in sync and film music with Ocean. Everyone has a niche.
fax i feel like his beats are a bit too conventional for rap songs today at least, not to take anything away from him though.
Everything happens for a reason my bro. Maybe you weren’t meant to show him your best beats for a bigger reason and to just make you a better producer. Because I’ll echo what everyone else is saying here that you have muchhhh better songs than what you displayed to him but sometimes we can all get things out of perspective on our art. Either way this is legendary that you were able to have this experience. Keep doin your thing homie you’re crushin it 🙏🏼💪🏼
The fact that you think they are “songs” is…
i really love his honesty with you, and that will kinda push the best of the heck producer in you to show up
First , thank you for sharing this with us. secondly, I like how you took the criticism positively to enable you be more good at your craft.
Thirdly, This channel is 🔥
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Honestly I'm honest
Scott Storch and Oak Felder using Logic to produce music. logic is dope!
3:47 i don’t think it‘s too „cinematic“ or not even „outdated“ as Timbaland says. @ocean just check out the German rapper LUCIANO with his newest album „MAJESTIC“. this is definitely a beat that he‘d rocked and also nearly all beats from this album are like yours. I love it bro!
“First off take the tag out”last beat was placement worthy keep cooking
I know Tim doesn't like anything that isn't his, unless it's a rare day, but I do agree with some of the stuff he said. The last beat was definitely the best of the batch. I liked the cinematic drill beat too. If I'm being honest, though, there's a lot of beats that sound extremely similar. The beat game is over saturated with cool beats, but they don't have an original sound. Back when Tim was making hits, he had a sound. A lot of it probably has to do with everyone using the same drums, and plugins, in current times. If people started to mess with sound design, and made sounds that never existed before, it would take the staleness out of hip hop.
Biggest takeaway is that you´re there but "not there", which in itself, just means one beat away. Last beat was complete fire.
Super proud to see this Ocean. Keep going bro!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
I love you ocean. I learned practically everything on logic from you and you’ve got pretty dope sounds that would have blow Timbo away. The world gonna recognize your great talent soon enough and great coaching by a mentor and icon timbs love❤
Logic Gang! Ocean and Timberland 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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2:40
Some actual musical constructive criticism for this (and kind of explains what Tim tried to sing) is that could use some Legato. I don't think the Staccato hits work over it, the drums are so rigid the melody could do with some movement or slide.
Yo! that was amazing. I guarantee with no doubt in my mind you are going to get 100 times better. Logic is my favorite daw but Ableton and Fl Drum just hit differently, Sometime you have to get off your comfort zone
Wow 😯
WTF since when drums hit different on different daws. Never heard stupid stuff like this
You know what even having timberland roast your beats is a level most people will never get to keep going bro I’ll see you at the top
just saying ocean u have better beats any reason for picking these?
tru bruh
why show good ones for criticism though
@@tabibyteso you can be critiqued on your best work, if you're displaying mid and you know why it's mid then why even show it
@@makerbreaker6384 sometimes there are beats that doesn't hit hard and you dont know what you can improve on
Tim is right, a lot of UA-cam producers make beats no one would rap on because they sound too cinematic and overproduced. You have to leave room for the artist on beats
I’ve been watching you since I started producing two years ago!You’re an amazing producer and I’m excited to continue to see your journey and growth. I love the feedback TIMBALANDD gave cause that’s the only way we get even better. I do feel like you have better beats tho 😅 flowers to you Ocean, sending love from nyc 🔥
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
@@G-Money_BKK T*m is an amazing artist... I just feel that a few comments he made, he had no right to make... Other than that, he is a stellar producer.
I'm apart of timbo's beat club and the biggest thing I learned it's a feeling you're looking and it should Spark some type of feeling if it's not it's not it
It's all a matter of opinion. Timbaland can say "oh you need to keep it simple" but then go listen to his beat from "Ayo Technology" 50 Cent Feat. Justin Timberlake. It's like, he's critiquing because he's supposed to. Because if someone like Metro Boomin played him these exact beats he would be nodding his head like crazy saying how fire they are. Of course, it's Timbaland and his opinion is very valued in the field. But like I said he has to critique because Ocean is up and coming and he's a legend, I get it. But like I said if an established mainstream famous producer played these same beats he'd be singing their praises. So it's hard for me to really value his opinion too much.
This is cat. He has plenty of other videos where he is going crazy to various
These beats just weren’t good. The AO technology beat is fire.
You can pull up the instrumental here on YT. It starts off, kind of whatever, with that cinematic pad or whatever. Obviously, the vocals sounds better because Five is doing an intro
But when the pitched snares come in, it’s a wrap. And when the main beat drops, all I was doing was stank face😂
Not to mention, you arw comparing a beat that is at least 16 years old lol.
Nah he would absolutely tell Metro if he felt like something isn't good and he often tells bedroom producers he fucks with they shit on his streams.
so dope, alot of respect to have him in a Ft.
i like how you showed off the not so usual beats to him for this video... kinda curious on the beats you showed him that he fucked with heavy.
you make killer beats, and i know you had some in your arsenal that you shot out.
Goat for getting the Timbaland collab
He gave you the best present. Some real advices. We call it a Chinese gift, not a present you may like, but something that will be very useful.
You are doing great beats, and I know it will uplift your future work.
Keep on !
I feel like you’ve made way better beats then the ones shown in the video.
Love this content bro, it's dope that you put yourself out here like that.
Do you think that part of this is that you and Timbaland have very different styles? I’m surprised at the selection you played him vs the other beats you’ve put up on your videos in the past that I think would have resonated with him more.
Go for it brother! Keep rocking. Thanks for sharing and for your work in this channel. ❤
Ocean was trollin 😂
😂
Only explaination, some of them beats sounded like a year 11 made them in GCSE Music... Nothing like some of the stuff he's put out.
idk a lot of producers out here don't know that the beats they think are the best are the worst ones. trust me this is me sometimes.
It’s not easy listening to someone dissect your work and critique it. Kudos to you for sitting there and being willing to learn
It's funny how we are judged by the pros, lol but this is art, you are actually seeking many opinions. Not from one person.
Most people who listen to music just enjoy it.
Those beats are 🔥and depends on who sing or rap on them that makes the hit song.
They aren’t 🔥🤦🏾♂️
@@Usenabt yeah.. I listen to a lot of top charting songs that beats not up the ones reviewed here.
@@Erisbeatz what he played was very generic bro, nothing new, if you take generic beats to a legendary producer, he is going to shit on it that's very obvious. Literally every drill beat sounds like the one here, literally every lil baby type beat sounds like the first beat. you gotta be unique man.
@@ShivamKumar-ip6sk agreed, But it doesn't mean if those beats are used by big names it won't be a hit, one thing is to be unique another is to be there.
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Ocean gonna be the upcoming taking it over, big ups to wanting to sement your craft through tough fires!
He really roasted it🥶
Timbaland said "Too Rockyish" haha. I really enjoy your channel, and I do like these beats for real - great work. I'm a fan of big instrumentation which I tend to lean into at time with my productions as well. His feedback is great - I will say definitely aimed for MCs. That's the tough part, picking something you are proud of but also want to lead with your best artwork from the listener's perspective. It's really hard to pick! You probably have hundreds of awesome beats in the wings and knowing which ones will be the top is tough...I felt nervous for you haha. Keep it up though, great work and it says a lot about you willing to expose critique and be humble in doing so. Awesome stuff Ocean.
This is dope as hell but I think you for sure have better beats lol
But I guess the point wasn't to impress him but to get meaningful feedback on your weaker areas. Shout out to you my boi!
I've been following you for a long time man, I started after watching two guys misto and pizzi. I can't believe Timbo is giving you feedback !!
The Daw doesn't matter just pick one of the top 3 FL Logic or Ableton and learn one. Timbaland saying Logic is only Good for vocals is a Big L "A Good Craftsman Never Blames His Tools"
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That’s the only thing that bothers me about his critique here. Throwing shade at DAW is crazy. Daw’s are just a foundation for a creator to build what they hear.
@@billybarrett272 Exactly. Create heat, regardless of DAW. I see this in the DJ world, where DJs are always bickering over the superior DJ application, be it Serato, Rekordbox, Virtual DJ, Traktor, Algoriddim.
The average person listening to music doesn't care which DAW a song was created in or what DJ application it was played thru, They just want to hear their favorite songs.
Use what works best for you and keep it moving. Too much gatekeeping going on these days.
4 realz. You can make a beat on anything, using anything, tables, spoons, cups trash cans, hell use your dam voice, jus use your imagination and have fun. I'm still banging out tracks on Logic pro 9. I only use it as a daw, if have external gear fo dat ass also. And my iPad with mo software. Bottom line, never let anyone tell you what not to do, real musicians play from the heart and if people feel it they feel it. Timbo is dope! But I don't like everything he puts out either. Yah-dah...
As a person who uses Ableton, Logic, and Protools. Ableton feels more conducive to what Timbaland is saying. His creativeness and experimentation flows well in a DAW like Ableton. Many Ableton users are the epitome of “let’s try this.” “I wonder what this will do.” Until they find something they like. Where I musicians have an easier time in Logic.
Nice of you putting this online man. It's nice to have The one and only Mr Timbaland reviewing your songs and giving tips on how to improve yourself. Great stuff! And I know what he means because I always have the same problem with my beats, the Melodies are too much and they need to give more air for a rapper to rap on it. Same as in a band everyone needs to give space for the other instruments. Thanks for putting this online, helps a lot!
Honestly, T*m's music has been trash post Nelly Furtado... How in the f are you getting him to rate your music... His whole post Nelly Furtado catalog is all mid.
I guess if the doorknob has clout, you're going to take his advice seriously.
Keep doing what your doing Ocean. Take Timbaland’s advice and apply it to Logic. Let this experience guide you to become a better producer!
Honestly that first beat was super fire. Like the drums and the 808s hit really hard. Got some style Ocean I use FL but this shit hit hard bro. You are really one of the top producers out here in this world bro. I don’t care if he doesn’t like your beats. I like them and hundreds other people keep making 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ik ocean was crushed when Timb said to take his tag out 😭
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Only gana make you better bro like the honesty tho keep going bless up
i have never heard a really good ocean beat....its awesome he has a channel to help others but aint no way he was ready for that.
yeah he ok, but nothing mind blowing; even in the YT scene I always felt his stuff kinda mid tbh.
There are levels to this!! Imagine all the producers Timberland has heard!? you stuff has to be phenomenal to impress him, otherwise you just sound like all these modern producers who opened a DAW 5 mins ago!
@@jemseed but also...ocean just sucks so idk how he even got that opportunity without paying
@@less_tress No I dont agree I dont think he sucks at all. He is at a good level but is caught up in this modern emulation production style or approach and needs to define his own style (In this day and age its hard for the majority) not just conform to stand out. I think its great that he tries all styles of music and think with regards to music he has very high potential to be on all round fire. I tend to make all kinds of music so appreciate his approach to giving everything a go! Aside from that he is on fire with his youtube channel. I truly believe he is gonna have a hit at some point due to his talent, links, and capital!
keep doing your thing, man. appreciate the rawness and vulnerability in sharing. You're an amazing artist NONETHELESS. Take what you need and go.
Ocean said let me pick my most ass beats to show this man
I learnt so much from this. Thank you for your willingness to have him critique your beats. I can now see all the areas where I need to improve myself. It really is a process.
Sorry bro, you completely lost me after you said you listen to Drake the most, that’s one dull artist to follow, need to upgrade your musical taste and ear
yea bro like when i heard drake i was like "really bro" drake your most listened artist
"drop the drill nonsense".. Best peace of advice Tim gave him.