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This has actually always been my main issue with political content online. There is a focus on entertainment and pithiness that means the message needs to be presented in a way that may not actually ultimately be productive. Like yea, we definitely have conversations we otherwise wouldn’t have had but it stokes resentment so much more often.
Communication and the ability to do it well is actually incredibly essential to coalition building. Mosquito Dorito could have made the same argument and many of us would have been on his side. But instead he fixated on content and in the process made or very clear that at his core, he is only in very superficial community with black people but ultimately assumes they aren’t intelligent or politically involved enough to already understand certain things. There as no real take away from what he said, but a lot of people were entertained.
@@KatBlaque as someone who’s been a fan of the podcast Jaded Forum, of which ‘MoschinoDorito’, AKA Connor Boyd, is a member of (at least if it’s not dead at this point), he very much does care about issues within the black community. I mean, he was the only white host amongst the others; Yedoye Travis (comedian) and ‘Z’ (who prefers anonymity) + guest appearances like Zack Fox and David Wengrow. They’re all very in tune with how to talk dialectical about all sorts of social and political issues, it’s just that off the podcast Connor doesn’t take social media seriously.
He’s openly said he sees it as nothing more than a toy or entertainment, so him making a video like that after Sonya Massey’s murder (which I do say was insensitive in how he juxtaposed that to the VP-going-Executive) is throwing caution to the wind but not caring that he’s done so. I’m not defending him for that, I do find his posting outside Jaded to get irksome for entertainment reasons itself (I’ve only followed him because I love Jaded Forum), but I will defend him for criticizing Kamala’s empty words and the manufactured hype that she will actually do anything. He is speaking ultimately from the position that the excitement is obscuring the victims of the active genocide in Gaza, and that the vote for the president ultimately doesn’t matter for this but that mass protest, dissent, and action are.
Who the heck is mosquito Dorito😭
love you kat blaque ❤️❤️❤️
crazy to see u here, uur awesom tho
WOW!!! We are engaging!!! Bro look my creds are legit! I introduce myself as a Haitian American Catholic now before I start any conversation with anybody. My black card is legit it doesn't come off in the shower. I have a bachelors in Anthropology I teach in the hood. I stand by everything I said before, "The Beef" is real the election IS REAL!!! This is not a game. I was 11 and then 12 years old when Tupac and then Biggie died. We were bumpin' R. Kelly we absolutely loved Bad Boy (at least on the East Coast) I picked sides at that time I was on Biggie's side. I NEVER gave Tupac and other West Coast artist a chance until they started uniting we got G-Unit, loved the Diplomats. I would have NEVER imagined a world where people got paid for watching other people play video games but then I'll sit there and watch a video about bit flips and Golden Eye speed runs AND TETRIS!?!?! Mister Signifier paid a BEAUTIFUL homage to Canibus!!! When he posted the Brian Pumper video I couldn't believe my eyes! You had to be there! This election is real it's not fake there are a lot of comparisons and analogies to be made about this election and The Beef. Kendrick saved Hip-Hop Kamala is here to save America.
why isn’t Eminem mentioned at all in this video
Lmao
👏👏👏 that deserves a slow clap
Spoilers bro
😂😂😂
This needs to be a running joke 😂
Bro literally nothing is more humbling than joining an irl org and meeting folks only a few years older than you who spent all the years you spent purely online out in the world doing work.
Edit: Coming back to say these replies give me life ❤. I want to add, just start anywhere doing anything. Every little bit helps. Even if you think you can't I promise you can 100% do this.
And what did that work accomplish.
Has it done anything to stop America being a horrifically right wing country.
@@luckyspursThis response makes no sense. What would you rather have them do? Sit in their room all day and despair?
The more people are engaged and politically aware and active, the more likely things can be changed and turned around. Building power is slow and often boring and frustrating but there is no other way than to go out and build political connections in person. The reason for the ascendancy of the right is political apathy. If you are dissatisfied with your community's response to it you need to do something yourself to change it in real life.
Also, political organizing does mitigate the harm of right wing policies. Let's be honest - the right wants immigrants to be deported en masse, remove trans children from their parents, destroy all labour regulation, etc. The worst of these effects can be and have been prevented by ordinary people in large groups.
I am in Canada, a country on its own trajectory towards the far right. I remember the "freedom convoy" which was allowed to continue by the police and was ultimately stopped by ordinary people blocking the roads and forcing truckers to turn around and leave the city.
You need to be active if you want to combat the right wing. You need to go out and do things.
@@luckyspursprobably helped that community a lot.
The work accomplished getting money into the hands of the rich people that needed it
@@SHA-3quadoes it? Or does it depend on the org and the demographic they serve? B/c seeing justice impacted/foster care impacted kids enroll in college, work thru it with therapy, begin a trade and never go back to what was is the results of the work. Idk maybe seeing it live changes the jaded stances folks have.
“Do you want to see progress or do you want to be correct” is such a concise way of explaining how I’ve been feeling lately
That's exactly why most people who won't be voting won't be voting, is the trouble. Neither side is coming at this purely from principle.
ditto.
That is such a reductive statement -- because thee is another alternative to progress and being correct. Being wrong does not lead to progress.
@@ProfVRandall not needing to be right doesn't make you wrong it makes you open to communication over the disagreement. From there you decide if the other side is legitimate or helpful.
@@ProfVRandallperfect is the enemy of good
“Any work you actually do do, which you should, will only produce results in maybe weeks, more like months, or even years.” This is something I need leftists, especially white leftists to understand. The best example of what a REAL committed and powerful movement is to look at black civil rights leaders. THAT is perseverance. THAT is truly understanding the gravity of the problem and piecing together coalitions and taking full inventory of what they’re up against.
I don’t know why people can’t understand this isn’t about Americans, it’s about America’s Palestinian victims. Nothing happening in America should be taking priority over the g3n0c1d3…especially not Americans feelings about Kamala.
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_The community had a problem out there in California. There was an intersection, a four-way intersection; a lot of people were getting killed-cars running over them, and so the people went down and redressed their grievances to the government. You’ve done it before. I know you people in the community have. And they came back and the pigs said “No! You can’t have any….” Oh, they don’t usually say you can’t have it; they’ve gotten a little hipper than that now. That’s what those degrees on the thermometer will get you. They tell you “Okay, we’ll deal with it; why don’t you come back next meeting and waste some time?”_
_Let me tell you what Huey P. Newton did._
_Huey Newton went and got Bobby Seale, the chairman of the Black Panther Party on a national level. Bobby Seale got his 9mm-that’s a pistol. Huey P. Newton got his shotgun and got some stop signs and got a hammer. Went down to the intersection, gave his shotgun to Bobby, and Bobby had his 9mm. He said, “You hold this shotgun; anybody mess with us, blow their brains out.” He put those stop signs up. There were no more accidents, no more problem._
_Now they had another situation. That’s not that good, you see, because its two people dealing with a problem. Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, no matter how bad they may be, cannot deal with the problem. But let me explain to you who the real heroes are._
_Next time, there was a similar situation, another four-way corner. Huey went and got Bobby, went and got his 9mm, got his shotgun, got his hammer and got more stop signs. Placed those stop signs up, gave the shotgun to Bobby, told Bobby “If anybody mess with us while we’re putting these stop signs up, protect the people and blow their brains out.” What did the people do? They observed it again. They participated in it. Next time they had another four-way intersection. Problems there; they had accidents and death. This time, the people in the community went and got their shotguns, got their hammers, got their stop signs…_
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_So what did we do? We were out there educating the people. How did we educate them? Basically, the way people learn, by observation and participation. And that’s what were trying to do. That’s what we got to do here in this community._
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~ Fred Hampton.
I keep telling the homeless to read theory but they continue to not have homes i dont get it
Yes the true quandary of the online Marxist, the explaining material dialect to those with no material they are scared to get close to. I honestly thought communism was bad since I as a business owner assigned it to the kids online with no real world experience, when I finally had the time to read into the actual theory I found out I was already running my business as a communist lol. So for Marx's misunderstood kids I do the effortless task of answering people's questions on why I'm successful, why my employees are productive, and why none of them hate me. That last question is baffling to me as I am trying to tie individual feelings to profit on a consult and getting nowhere lol. If you're rich and need friends don't start a business that's weird as hell is my answer.
@@BlueBeetle1939 do you think homeless people don’t read or understand revolutionary theory better than you do?
Have you ever had a conversation with Liberals about homeless people?
The people who act that way have either not read the theory themselves, or didn't understand a word of it. Claiming to be a leftist online, doesn't make it so, or as Tyler Durden once said, 'Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken'.
Was abt to comment basically this lol
I call this "dunk culture."i hate dunk culture. it's the biggest waste of time
Gotta vote for the cop
I also call it that! Convergent thinking is neat.
That's exactly what it is! And honestly it's so close to that right-wing flavor of morality where "winning" is their entire ethos that it makes me VERY uncomfortable to see supposed leftists engaging in it.
I read dank culture. I love dank culture
You mean cancel culture?
"we live in an online world where everyone is trying to have a monologue written by Aaron Sorkin" is actually a genius take
It's no coincidence that Aaron Sorkin wrote much of The West Wing, a show all about "proving" the intellectual superiority of neoliberalism.
@@Aencii
Yea, that’s exactly what he fucking meant
@@Cultivated. Sure, but he didn't even list the West Wing among Sorkin's writing credits, which is the most relevant example in my mind. He listed The Social Network, A Few Good Men, and showed a clip from Newsroom.
@@Cultivated. bro maybe fucking chill lmao
I honestly think what has helped Kamala blow up so fast is just how bad we all wanted off of Joe and how happy we are he stepped aside.
A thousand-yard stare before starting a sponsored segment is diabolical
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the word "diabolical" feels like it has lost all meaning
@@clixx13 Very demure of you
@@clixx13it may have lost shock value but it hasn't lost all meaning, no one is saying diabolical to mean labrador, you just dont like when people start doing things
@@clixx13waaah waaaaah
Its time for leftists to touch grass (get offline and organize within your community)
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Agreed.
I was just online (with another content creator) and said the same thing. I used an example of how to collectively start immediately after the election. We need to work for ourselves and stop waiting for someone to rescue us.
It’s been time for 30 fuckin’ years and we haven’t done a damn thing, it’s really no wonder successful socialist projects around the world just write all of us off as useless baizuo now.
Agreed.
I've had this opinion for a while now too. Idgaf if you're a leftist, I'm not expecting anything productive to be said on Twitter bruh. Distancing myself and touching some grass makes me realize how tiring this shit is (a lot of these spaces are also white af and that gets tiring in certain topics). I just call it what it is now to me: influencers yapping about shit like they always do.
Bro its SUPER tiring. The internet be making me feel crazy fr fr
All facts
@MrLockfree people really do need to just log off. Nothing productive is coming out of your Twitter fights. It's just a waste of your energy while real issues are happening right outside in a lot of places.
This thank you!!!
Bro I got called a genocide supporter because I said I’m gonna vote this November to prevent Trump even though I’m not obviously happy that we don’t live in a far more leftist society
I'm from the middle east. Iran, to be more specific. I've lived my whole life under imperial aggression from US, on top of aggression from my own government. My entire adult life I have tried to push my government towards the left in any way I could (what little was possible), and engage with American politics online (no other way for us) and try to contribute to American leftist conversation in that way. I'm saying all of this to put myself on some kind of map, but I don't intend to pretend like there's a direct continuity from all of that to where we are now. The ongoing genocide in Palestine is unprecedented in scale, and the situation requires unprecedented praxis. I remember begging Americans to vote for Clinton in 2016, because Trump getting into the WH would have been (and of course this came true) a disaster for my country, and potentially a point of no return. I did the same in 2020. However, Palestine has been the political thread running through my whole life. It is profoundly sinister and shameful to watch so many Americans be 100% divorced from the fact that their election, unlike ANY other election in the world, is not just theirs. It's utterly disappointing to watch how few are those who give a shit about the impact of your political actions on the rest of the world. The material well-being of the American working class, scant as it seems to a lot of Americans, still dwarfs all of global south combined, and it is DIRECTLY predicated on colonizing, occupying and oppressing the global south. All the while, not only liberals (no matter the race) don't give a shit, they openly mock anyone trying to explain any of this to them. I don't envy the position of American leftists who are trying to grapple with this situation. I don't pretend that it's easy. But it's hellish to watch it go down online. The middle east has been ravaged by US imperial interests for almost a century now, and it's unforgivable. I understand and fully sympathize with black people in US who feel like they have nothing but their own fellow black people. But the global south is beginning to feel the same. If a day comes that the emancipation of the global south from US imperialism will run against the well-being of non-white Americans who materially rely on the continued oppression of the global south, what results is not going to look pretty unless some form of trans-national solidarity emerges that goes beyond mere words and gestures.
The difference in interest between western leftist and third world leftist is really sad to see. If only the western left realized their only true calling is to stand against imperialism from within and took more action :/
Couldn’t have worded it better. All this warmongering is not going to end well for America, but no one here has that long term vision
The online conversation is good for building unity across the globe. I literally had a long conversation yesterday with a friend about how the US dominates the world, and his response was essentially, "I don't think the US is perfect but I don't think it's the most evil country to exist". Completely overlooking the point.
I've come to the conclusion that people are so focused on good/bad or right/wrong that they miss the objective truth behind suffering. Suffering is scientific, can be measured by electrodes that monitor brain activity. If people asked how much suffering they are responsible for, they could reach objective conclusions. I became a leftist because I learned about Buddhism and learned that suffering matters more than good/bad and right/wrong. My perspective is that Americans, and surely others around the world, could benefit from focusing on suffering. It's amazing how quickly that can push one towards a compassionate world view. The change for me was asking, "how much suffering am I responsible for as an American"?
Your suffering matters. I'm going to screenshot your comment to show Americans that we are a global empire with power over other people's lives. Americans have a hard time viewing ourselves as impacting the world around them, as they are extremely self-absorbed.
It needs to be said that in this case its kinda like trying to say Americans should care about how others are doing when they themselves are in pain and many directly threatened by things the other party is saying.
Those sympathetic to the plight in Gaza recognize that frankly Israel has enough sway to swing this election too so neither side is substantially going to touch the issue when the other will 100% weaponize it against them.
For minority groups in the USA, the threat to us isn’t merely discomfort and a lost ally or something, we are voting to see if we are allowed to continue existing in our own country. The stakes are not the same. We don’t want to live under the same conditions your government puts you under or worse.
You can’t put out a burning house with a bullet in your brain. At least Kamala says she’s got a garden hose, tho it may not be particularly effective, it’s better than the other guy suggesting we toss gasoline on the fire.
For US Voters, regardless what party we pick at this point, the basic Gaza policy is set in stone till after the election is won, which is to say and do nothing more on the matter. It is ignorant to hope that will change before November without something drastic happening like one party seemingly getting a substantial edge.
Excellent post, thank you for sharing
I love that “the bar is in hell” line because it’s true in so many ways hopefully some of these selfish people realize we can do better
It's true on the basis that there are people in THIS comment section defending the bar being in hell in the first place.
Ok, now I have hostile feelings towards this topic, but I genuinely want to know HOW do we set the bar higher?
I’m not at all antagonistic towards your comment but I’m genuinely interested in the ways the bar is low according to you?
@@jacobaustin4812 the bar is so far in hell all someone has to do is SEEM progressive and it's all people need out of fear of the other candidate. The bar is so low democrats do nothing to hold onto the wins they manage to get, and still get our votes because we have no other option. If you can't see that, I'm worried you are like 16.
@@jacobaustin4812you know already and just want to be contrarian and wouldn’t engage in good faith. Troll else where
I like how the video tells us to go touch grass and stop fighting online, and then people go to the comments to fight online.
yeah...... here we are
I was about to comment this. I scrolled down and sighed so heavily.
You got me to stop scrolling, thank you🙏
People treat the internet like they are talking to family, friends, and peers. When in reality you are talking to a stranger who is likely going to forget the comment as soon as they close the window.
@@xxkildarxx i'm not sure this is how most people would talk to their family, friends, and peers face to face though. well... maybe some close friends. but i think the problem is less that stranger on the internet is just going to forget your comment as that we say forgettable things in what some others in the comments have been calling "dunk culture." dunking on someone has no substance for the person you're responding to because you didn't do it for them, you did it for your imagined audience. i tend to remember if someone makes a solid point while treating me like a human rather than a target because it often leads to a prolonged interaction rather than a pithy one off.
I feel like the emergence of terms like "ragebait" and "doomscrolling" actually show a path forwards. People are becoming a lot more canny about the ways social media manipulates their actions in ways that harm them, and by being able to put labels on it are better positioned to question their responses. People are a lot better at regulating their own reactions when they have a framework that allows them to interpret them and give them an explanation and meaning. You can't do this with academic papers that describe these things from a disembodied third-person perspective, you need terms that speak to the meanings those emotions have in their hearts.
I feel we need to have similar terms for these kinds of political ragebait that try to manipulate the audience, both as outrage and as righteous pseudo-activism. The false dichotomy between "doing something right now and you're a monster if you don't" and "complacency" in particular is something I feel the internet needs to come to a greater self-awareness about, we need a term for that sort of emotional blackmail that raises the moral stakes to infinity without actually achieving anything. And in particular, we need to make sure these terms and ideas can't just be co-opted by the very patterns they seek to explain, lest they just become another way to call each other ineffectual hypocrites.
If you can name it, you can question it. And because these things happen in our hearts, we need a language from within the heart.
yes, excellent comment, thank you for this
This specific thing you're talking about with the, like, emotional blackmail? Tbh I think it can cause real psychological damage, the leftist spaces I first got into were EXTREMELY edgy and some of the views they had (a huge obsession with joking about throwing people in gulags, for one) that are complete nonstarters in 2024 discourse live on in my head as intrusive thoughts and pangs of intense hate that i struggle with daily, constantly have to fight back, and am afraid to seek professional help for because the root of the problem is political radicalism and i'm scared a therapist would try to pull me away from being leftist entirely 💀
I've been working irl to try and make a tenants' union and let me tell you something, organizing have made me realize just how useless most of this "discourse" is. I hardly hear any of this outside of social media, and it makes me realize that no matter how hard we scream at eachother, it barely effects the status quo.
The online left has been wonderful for introducing me to these topics and feeling less crazy in this world. I don't know if I'd be the same person without it. But it absolutely falls off the rails when it comes to focusing on real life organizing. It doesn't perform as well as the more theory based stuff. But why is that so? Well, cause the audience doesn't engage with it as much. It's not just something they can sit back and absorb. In the end, they are expected to DO something. And people don't like to be confronted with their own inaction.
You gotta meet people at their level, appeal to their interests. Some people are moved by ideological arguments and ideals, but that’s a minority and usually upper middle class at the least. But you show the common man where he’s being hurt, then he will listen.
Here’s an example: my mother is (or was) a Reaganite conservative. She came of age in the early ‘80s and she still thinks Reagan is the best.
You know what turned her against the Republican Party? It wasn’t the rhetoric of Trump, it wasn’t the thousand small cases of plausible deniability. It was showing her how Trump (and by extension the party) no longer represented the Reagan ideals and values, like strict Constitutionalism, lip service to Christian morality, and an almost idolatrous yet sincere patriotism. When the Republican Party is just the entourage of a law-breaking, adulterous draft dodger, then the party of Reagan has ceased to exist.
Vote blue and be happy
I try to remember that there are kind of 5 levels you have to get people through, and the first one is always "engagement". 60% of Americans simply dgaf about politics outside of a having a vague distaste for the subject in general. Getting people out of that hole is HARD, and the online left is at least somewhat effective. Especially when you have the MGTOW/Incel/Fascist Pipeline, it's important to have this other space.
Once engaged, you're trying to get people up the rest of that staircase until they are "activated" as you are. Breadtube SUCKS at that part. Alt-Right social media is much more successful with steps 2 through 5.
The good news is that progressive ideas have real staying power. Once you're on board, you'll find your own way up that staircase eventually. Assuming you don't decide to just stand on the first step, screaming at everybody below you while refusing to help them up.
Voting is one of the easiest ways to take action, and people are throwing it away while congratulating themselves for “bucking the system.” Staying home on election day doesn’t make you Katniss Everdeen.
Nothing makes me happier than when someone says "you know who that is" and I in fact have no idea who that is. Makes me realize I'm outside more than I think I am 🤣
I had no idea who that dude was either, maybe there's still hope for us.
Just wanted to say that I love your handle. :)
@@marcpatton5207 thanks! ❤️
Same! My click discipline must be on point because when I see some of these viral references I just think "that's stupid, who cares?" 😆
Ten hag in or out?
The real truth about politics is that it's complex and messy, and social networks don't normally allow for how messy politics really are.
It’s really not, the reality is holders of capital are making peaceful progress an impossibility.
@@ericktellez7632fr like it could be way more simple
@@ericktellez7632 I agree. Mystifying the political process is a tactic used to disenfranchise the public. The real issue is greed and the "2" party system, plain and simple.
@@AfroGothixano it really isn’t. This is my biggest problem w people on the further end of the left. Not everything is as simple as class war.
👏 and Marx would agree with that
as a Liberian who's country was sent into a civil war that killed my Uncle Keke and family friends, the amount of vitriol I have towards yall liberals who choose to publicly praise Kamala is unspeakable. Yall can just vote for her because you think Trump is worse and just let it be. But to act like you like the woman is like saying you like her policies and people like her who would share the same foreign policy that ruined my early childhood life and family.
What's the connection between Kamala and Liberia? I just google searched it and the only thing coming up was her congratulating the Liberian president on his election.
Thankyou , to a lot of Americans the real life affect their dumb political decisions have on billions of people is not real to them . They think this is about not being Trump smh when entire families REAL lives have already taken by UR party , real mass murder
@@edmann1820 I'm assuming he is saying she is similar to any other American imperialist president.
@@mickiemallorie thank you, i honestly thought that was easy to understand
@@analyticalmindset No, not at all, because it's not logical to hold someone accountable for something they didn't do. It's guilt by association. The passion in your words really made it seem like she personally had done something.
Here's the situation: I have been a law professor for over 30 years. In 1990, I was a law professor when Obama was emerging and wrote his book. After reading his book and articles about him, I realized he was a free market capitalist, which led me to oppose him. I voiced my opposition loudly in public forums and faced severe criticism for it. Despite this, I am supporting Harris now, even though she shares similarities with Obama. The issue isn't Trump himself, but the machinery behind him. The far-right Republicans control the Supreme Court, numerous state governments, and have mechanisms like the Heritage Foundation for drafting laws. They have a pipeline for nurturing far-right conservative judges and lawyers. They have the Project 2025 plan, lacking only the drafted laws for implementation which has probably already been done by the Heritiage Foundation. The missing piece is a president willing to sign these laws and control of both the Senate and the House. If MAGA secures all three-the Presidency, the Senate, and the House-our society will be fundamentally altered. Trump, who I view as a narcissistic madman, will likely perform illegal acts to enact the plan, unconcerned with legality since he can always claim it's an official duty, shielding him from prosecution. My fear is the absence of checks on the MAGA Republicans, leading to changes that could prevent Democrats from winning significant elections in the House, Senate, or the presidency again. Right now there are no checks short of assuring democrats win the presidency, senate and house.
Can i copy and paste this as my view of the situation??? Im a dumbass hillbilly that dont do words good, but u really put my thoughts into words here 😂😂😂
This has been true for several decades. Ever since I've been able to vote in 96, I've been voting against Republicans. People with "standards" not willing to pinch their noses and do this are the reason we'll have all those a-holes in the Supreme Court until God knows when.
Beautifully written 💙
so who did you end up voting for in 08?
Well said. I don't get the "people who are excited about trump potentially not winning are liberals" take. Yes many liberals are fired up, but a lot of people across the left are excited mainly because we're less despondent
The online discourse is just cooked in general. Any critism of Kamala is labeled anti-black, and it's annoying. I'm voting for her, not Trump. I can criticize who I'm voting for.
I agree that online discourse is toxic. I'm white and am more excited to vote for her, but no American politician is above criticism. She is showing some signs of being more progressive but also has to play to others she needs to vote for her to win.
Blue Wave emojis don't get that it's more effective to criticize people who claim to represent you than people who would rather just shoot you.
I'd rather you criticise who you were voting for. It shows you're a cut above most people who treat politics like sports and just vote red or blue because it's their team.
@@kingflynxi9420even sports fans criticize their team and decisions made by the coach. No one is above reproach, even if we agree with them on most things.
I honestly don't like that some people are convinced we need to be like trump voters and justify her every move or don't vote. She's better than Trump and arguably better than biden, though they aren't hard to beat. We should be able to critique someone and still vote for them, those aren't opposing ideas
“Being a leftist doesn’t make you stop being white” literally we have this conversation so often I wish people would just shut up lol
Leftism is a white French ideology
Yeah, I feel that. I host a workshop group, and late in the night, when we're done discussing writing, politics often comes up. One of my guests is white , and another is black, and they often disagree on slight things in the discussion. It's thanks to F.D.'s videos that I often find myself shaking my head at my white friend's inability to appreciate what my other friend is going through in these political situations. At the very least, being in-person rather than online, the discussions are often very civil.
He really put to words the thing I’ve been seeing more and more of.
So many look at being progressive or being an ally as an “out”, like it’s an escape from whiteness. They will talk about other white people as if they’re an entirely different species of human. I can understand why someone would want to escape that but it’s often unhealthy and sometimes even exploitative.
I hope people realize that doesn't just apply to your skin, but how you look at the world. When a white leftist finds themselves explicitly or implicitly arguing that minority members need to suffer or be punished until they are forced to join the revolution, that is their whiteness speaking.
Only whiteness would allow someone to believe that minorities will en masse follow a person or a movement that wishes them harm. That you don't need to talk to Black people and make any specific plans to address their unique issues other than trickle down prosperity.
The whole reason Black people are more liberal than leftist in the first place is because it's hard to be aspirational instead of focusing on harm reduction when one candidate has a 50 point plan to destroy your family, neighborhood, and the future of your children.
Being black doesn't stop you from being liberal
I became a member of the Socialist Party in the UK in February, and I've more or less completely removed myself from online leftist content (save for a few good video essayists, and some educational/history channels). Attending one IRL meeting is worth 1,000 hours online, trust me.
Do you mean that in a good way, or a bad way?
Sadly Keir Starmer's turning Labour into the Tories means almost nothing done at a local level will be able to mitigate the damage Rachel Reeves can do in 5 minutes.
@@Grysham if you mean removing myself from online discourse, then yeah definitely in a good way! Not that learning stuff from online is always bad, but by integrating yourself in your community and speaking with people from different backgrounds - especially older people who have experienced previous protest movements - you're constantly learning new things every day at a much faster rate :) And on top of that, they're things which are more likely relevant to how you can make a difference in your community!
@@lulujones Its simple but true, a lot of us just need to touch grass.
Even if people just got off Twitter and the like they'd experience far better mental health. I've never had an active Twitter account, and the only reason I know it's bad is because of all the aggrieved users limping away from it
i know FD looking at this comment section like "this is exactly what i told y'all not to do"
I was picturing him going "Some people's children..."
Last day of the DNC and her speech felt closer to 2004 Bush than 2008 Obama and that's just repulsive to me. We've regressed so hard to the right. Is war with Iran inevitable?
No I don’t think so. It was more of a scare to reassure the base that we are still the most powerful state. Realistically Iran and the states won’t engage since there’s a lot more to
Lose than gain.
Yeah, I don't really remember that because I was like 5, but imma be honest that whole second half of the last night pretty much really scared me. Like the UK seems like their Labour capitulated on foreign policy and economic strategy to appeal more to the right, and now they treat their trans people like Florida does. I really don't want us to become the United States of Florida, I really don't know where I could run to, and the Dems seem to be trying so hard to capitulate 😓 I don't really got any way or time or energy with where I live and my job to do any IRL organizing, but I'm throwing emails and letters into the void, hope maybe someday one of their unpaid interns might read one at least.
It's scary but I think that if you look at polls of American opinions on war in the middle east, it is essentially unanimously a "no". Even if behind closed doors the politicians tell Israel they are with them, they probably also say, "But the American public doesn't want a new war."
I hate that people talk down on me for being cynical about her candidacy. Like, I'm gonna vote for her, but I reserve my right to be extremely critical of the American government because I will never trust a politician's words no matter how righteous their actions in office may be.
I’m not gonna vote for her and I don’t care how that makes me sound. I’m in her home state and I’m not a one issue voter so when people say things like that, it cracks me up.
California and other states are struggling her campaign does absolutely nothing to address anything actually important to America right now, so why would I waste my time voting for her?
This is actually a really salient point I didn't think about until you pointed it out, so much of our political lives, at least for our generation, takes place in places online in places that are antagonistic too the kinds of conversations you need to have with contentions topics that come up in politics so often.
And in echo chambers. Both sides have these incredible echo chambers where people don't even know how to defend their position. Which makes us on the left look weak as fuck. Because we actually need to be correct. The Republican party doesn't need to be right about anything. All they need to do is "own the libs."
The loss of third spaces in general has just caused people to go off the rails tbh I can’t even remember anymore what it’s like going to a library and having a conversation with someone.
Unfortunately none of that works if people like Starmer, Reeves, Lammy, Cooper and Streeting end up running the so-called left wing party, in a way the extremely right wing Tories would.
The people you're expecting to listen if we just spoke politer, are often the antagonistic ones.
Will this be totally awesome? "We're not going to have fun with this one." Shit.
Black trumpies are the most baffling to me.
Almost as crazy pro-Hamas LGBT people
Edit: YT is deleting every comment I leave so I'm not able to reply to the strawman arguments and lies that people keep tagging me with so I'm hoping that editing my original comment here will sneak it past YT's censorship, I do not have time to reply to every single person (especially since so many of you are making similar points) but here is a summary of my replies that got deleted addressing the majority of the arguments being made against me:
It's sad but pro-Hamas people DO exist, Hasan has the largest following of all the Leftists on the internet and he is openly in support of them, and he is far from the only one, I've been a Leftist since my youth in the 80's and I've been active in the community the entire time so beyond just the internet I'm well aware of how many people in our space have gone full blown nazi with all of this jen oh sidal river to the sea nonsense, and the insanity of the lies they tell about indigenous Israelites being colonizers in THEIR OWN LAND when in reality they literally liberated themselves from CENTURIES of occupation by the Roman and Arab colonizers who called themselves palestinians, so many former Leftists have been brainwashed into supporting a group of jen oh sidal religious fascists and their entire argument for doing so is based on believing that reality is the exact opposite of what it is
Joe Biden sponsored the 94 crime bill and Kamala Harris's track record as a prosecutor is not great. It is important to address these issues whether or not we think Trump is worse.
@likenem Almost everyone was behind that bill. It was a very popular bill since violence was at a extreme.
@@likenembro what are you talking about, yes joe biden and kamala harris suck,but Trump is literally advocating that cops need IMMUNITY FROM BEING PROSECUTED, yes he is worse
@xp8969 I believe the point is to stand against any genocide of people regardless of beliefs.
Once you start condoning the deaths of people you disagree with, that's a slippery moral slope.
from my perspective as a Palestinian living in Palestine, the shift in attitude felt so sudden. i didn't understand the change of heart, how's Harris any different from Biden? both are in active political roles, and both swore allegiance to our colonizer. I think the sense of betrayal stems from the fact that I'm astonished by the way Americans seem to always settle for nothing, it's been a never ending cycle of war criminals ruling America while American citizens continued to blissfully ignore the issues at hand. consequently, it us, Middle Easterns and the marginalized Global South that have to deal with American terrorism. I can understand the sense of defeat that most feel in the US, but that doesn't mean i can't be angry because ultimately their lack of urgency towards a better political climate impacts me and my loved ones the most. additionally, i realise it's somewhat condescending but i can't prevent myself from wondering why do the marginalized in the US assume they're gonna be safe after throwing us under the bus, if you settle for a literal genocider, you'll never have the chance to debate over luxuries. that being said, i don't believe the timing of this "issue" and i think Black people at large see right through it, as it's no coincidence that suddenly we're having problems after AIPAC voiced concerns over Palestinians-Black Americans solidarity. I'm not sure what's the best resolution to all of this but i know it's not the woman who swore allegiance to "Israel" at the DNC yesterday. our struggles are closely knitted, there'll be no peace for any of us as long one is oppressed.
I'm gonna be really, really blunt here: Most people give a shit about 150 people max, and people are going to prioritize saving their own hides and the 150 people closest to them over sacrificing themselves for people they know effectively *nothing* about.
Like, what do you expect the American populace to do, swarm the white house like angry hornets? Why would they die en masse for your sake?
I think it's a mix of a lot of things.
Right now, the bar is in Hell, with Trump actively coming in to strip our rights to literally nothing while making the rich richer and keeping him out of jail (I bet that last part sounds deeply familiar considering your colonizer) and everyone was just marching to the inevitable conclusion that he would be president because Biden fucked up big time during their debate.
And then Biden dropped out.
And Harris, who literally no one has thought about as VP stepped into the scene. Seeing Trumps party go from a near flawless victory to scrambling in panic by them having nothing on her made people realize "Oh, we still have a shot" and rallied behind her.
My Palestinian friend also pointed out to me that she was harder on Netanyahu with both sympathizing with Palestine, asking for a full ceasefire that included Israel's soldiers being withdrawn from Palestine period while supporting a 2 country deal. Add to the fact that she boycotted his visit and voted NO (alongside 23 other dems) send money to Israel money made my friend feel that she's more on your side than Israel's, unlike Biden.
So there is the context of the radical shift. People feel hope again after a near crushing of it and that shit is addictive.
With that said, truthfully, I think a lot of black people, like myself, are in a rock in a hard place. Sure, things will remain the status quo if Harris wins, but we are deeply aware of what will happen if Trump wins as we will be the first to feel the effects of that.
We are held as champions of Civil Rights, with my grandpa personally marching for those rights back then, so we tend to help those that are in need and uplift their struggles but we're at the point where we need help too because where can we pour the water if our cup is empty, you know?
So we're facing this dilemma and there have been plenty of people pissed at us for needing to help ourselves in this situation, famously with that tiktok influencers who called us Colonizers on the level of your Colonizer for not wanting us to sacrifice everything to help you guys.
Truthfully, I've been donating and protesting as best as I can but I'm in the same boat as you in knowing what not to do about all of this.
yes you're right. im an american and settling for nothing is literally all that we do. its how our system is designed, even
Sending you love and solidarity.
People like FD view voting for Democrats as their duty, so I doubt this section of America will ever really change
I've always lived by "let people be wrong online". That works on both side of you. Its actions that matter most.
An extension of “control what you can control,” which is not just practical but also great for your mental health
This was soooo on point. Especially "Being a leftist doesn't mean you stop being white." Whoof. I've seen certain online folks absolute dismiss and demean the one black man in their midst in the name of "I'm leftist so I'm the most oppressed." It's WILD to see.
So you're demeaning white people instead?
How does FD Signifier constantly belittling white people help foster this unity he's claiming to want.
Anyone who thinks being left makes them immune from being racist has learned less than nothing.
Face it-we *all* are. We can’t help it, coming from a society such as ours. Accept that and move on to real solutions.
Some lefties just can’t suppress their gamer envy.
Had to put a couple creators I follow on mute, because they immediately switched to the "Copmala" stuff and berating other leftists and liberals (especially the ones of color) for being even the slightest bit excited or optimistic that the Democrat candidate was no longer a reanimated corpse.
@@Paratet
I’ll always remember Shaun literally saying that any one who disagrees with him is a Nazi (this was in the aftermath of his infamous video on Hiroshima and Nagasaki). When I pointed out that that would make George Marshall, American Chief of Staff during WWII, a Nazi he blocked me 😂
God, deleting Twitter is one of the best decisions I ever made.
Vote whoever you want, but please don't try to gaslight us into believing that Harris' policy towards Isr@*l will differ in any way from Biden's.
"Do you want progress or do you want to be correct?" is a statement that explicitly does not apply here as the Palestinians are not being offered either.
Being a leftist is not a marginalized identity -- FANTASTIC point
This is just black liberal apologia. Which makes sense, Black Americans benefit from US imperialism more than they suffer from US racism or capitalism, so it’s in their self-interest to vote for Harris & defend Harris voters.
@@beckembrown7002 given that nothing the Harris administration may accomplish will be more racist, imperialist, or capitalist than a Trump presidency -- with a real risk of him selecting ANOTHER supreme court justice -- I'm not sure what you think is a better option. I'm not pro-Harris, but I am anti-Trump.
@@beckembrown7002no one in this comment section is going to get that unfortunately
@@beckembrown7002 what meaningful alternative would you suggest vs voting Harris? If you're critiquing capitalism, racism, and US imperialism, surely you can see that the other option would be significantly worse than Harris in every way?
this is ahistorical nonsense in direct opposition to a historically materialist analysis of American society in the last 300 years but go off idpol radlib, I'm sure you learned this from Hamilton
True leftists dont spend time complaining on Twitter. They should be outside helping their communities. I have never seen a single productive thing on Twitter.
No true Scotsman.
@@itsaUSBlineyeah but this isn’t exactly an argument. If it helps just phrase it as “as leftist we need to stop complaining on Twitter” instead 😂
its possible to do both. You cant organize 24 hours a day, so some organizers fuck around on the internet sometimes. I agree with FD though online politics is a waste of time
Twitter still not a true representative of what’s really going on in the outside it’s just extremist people posting stuff for clicks and rage bait that’s why I left the site permanently
Not just helping. Organizing. Agitating. Educating. Help is nice but it's not "leftist." The goal of the left isn't just to improve the conditions of people suffering under capitalism. It's to end the suffering caused by capitalism. If we're not working towards that goal, we're just doing charity.
Tim Walz is doing all of the heavy lifting in Kamala's campaign. Had she picked Josh Shapiro, we'd be having a totally different conversation.
If the VP matters, then Kamala is just as responsible for Gaza as Biden
@@tankiegirl Kamala can be responsible without being equally responsible
@@LGrianbe sure to bring that up at the trial, simp
Genocide is the crime of all crimes.
You’re right go vote for Trump
@@Stars4Hearts what?
Unfortunately Liberals can't understand that and that will be their downfall
Your imagination is lacking if you thinking putting an end to something is the worst that you can possibly do.
@@Snarbalax no, genocide actually is the crime of all crimes. it's bizarre to see people performing genocide apologia in the modern day in 4k
“is this performative or praxis, are we talkin’ bout practice?” - Billy Woods
I see you're a man of culture as well
been stuck in my head since i first heard that bar
billy woods made that bar
“Iridescent blackness
Is this performative or praxis?
Are we talkin' about practice? (We talkin' bout practice, man)” - black sunlight (billy woods)
i think Woods actually said that but I could be wrong either way its never been more relevant lol
I’m not American, and the only reason I pay attention to American politics at all is because of how lethal their foreign policy is and has been, especially in my region being Central America/The Caribbean.
You’ll be terrified to know that that is not going to change with either Trump or Harris.
@@Gpgonzalez623 I’m unfortunately very aware.
@@Gpgonzalez623they said they follow American politics, why would you assume they didn’t know that?
my biggest gripe with the discourse has been feeling frustrated that people think that 'coloniser' is a racial term and that people of all races can be part of a colonising, imperalist force which they can be. the term has been racialised contemporarily (understandably but incorrectly). but ones position isn't static or globally true always; people who are internally colonised within their own countries can be part of a colonising force. the things that incentivise people to be part of that force can be talked about but what i need people to understand that 'coloniser'/'colonised' isn't an essential and static ontological position
Ireland was Britain's blueprint for Colonial projects globally. Both caucasian countries at the time
Native Americans call Blk Americans "arrivants" not "colonizers"
@@tosina2946 I mean, historically, ask the indigenous Liberians in the 1800s if black Americans can’t be colonizers. The actual history of the American Colonization Society was way more complicated, as white America pushed former slaves into a position to colonize Liberia (basically as a way to feel less guilty about slavery without having to share a country with black people)… but still, the direct experience of the native population would have been that of black Americans taking their land by force.
Imo there is imperialism/colonialism as a broad historical force which usually comes from a specific point of origin and then its agents (individuals, social classes, etc) can come from anywhere. I think this is an example of why, despite the fact that activism is the driving force of change, discussing theory is still important, because activism should be informed by nuances rather than absolutes. Just my opinion
There are Liberians online that have challenged the claim that Black Americans colonized Liberia.
@@sleepyccs What about people from neighboring countries?
I completely understand Kamala will just maintain U.S. imperial agenda YET I will still vote for her. Trump actually is simply so much worse on just about every issue and I'm not just going to do nothing and let him come to power again.
Is he worse on every issue? It seems Democrats are way more pro war than Republicans in the last decade
As a African American woman I am voting for Mrs. Right now. The far right is waiting to sink claws into the government and change it even more. The Supreme Court is going to be like this for decades. I feel like it’s work to staunch bleeding until we can find a competent doctor. I don’t know. I am not particularly eloquent.
I think you said it very well, with the wound and doctor analogy. It's how I've been feeling.
As horrible as these issues are, we have to focus on the things we can accomplish at the moment. And to be fair it doesn't mean we have to completely ignore all the other problems. We can still draw attention to them, try to shift cultural perspectives on them, make it so accomplishing them later will be easier, but we probably wouldn't expect to fix those issues overnight. That would be like rushing at a fortified fortress without stopping to build the siege towers first.
There may not be one.
so well said!
Leftist trashing her is BOGGLING my mind. Jesus Christ, it's like they're begging for more Trump.
And if the Democrats keep becoming more right wing, as the Labour party has in Britain?
Lets just say the awful British PM's polling is collapsing and he's only been in for a month and a half. He (Starmer) took over a left wing party and made it almost identical to the right wing party. Election turnout took a massive nosedive.
Thank you for recognizing the criticisms that we, Middle Easterners, have for the system, and the fact that our constant bombardment is seen by liberals as some inevitable fact of life, and the role that the usual suspects have in these "online discourses." I can see what you're saying about social media, but I have to admit, I am now eternally grateful for it. When the situation in Gaza broke out, those of us who had been following it all of our lives used social media to spread the truth; that, no, it didn't start on Oct 7th, no, there are no "beh**ded babies", that Isr**l has a habit of lying really loudly then admitting later that they lied very quietly because the evidence didn't hold up and after the damage had been done. Mainstream media still reports deaths in Gaza as "Ham*s controlled health ministry says...." but using social media, Palestinians showed the world videos of their deaths and injuries and historic evidence of their oppression, and those of us with a platform helped them spread it. This is literally why they're banning tiktok. So while I see how social media can also enable division and psyops and reactionary fights, I also think the good that came of it can't be denied.
ALL OF THIS 👏👏👏👏👏
This^
they have been trying to ban TikTok for the pass 3 years, its not because of Palestine.
This is so salient. Dunking on people online and embarrassing people feels good, but pulling people over in real life takes time. It's taken years to drag my co-workers and family members to the left. It wasn't through being right all the time, it's by hearing their concerns and explaining how our stances approach those issues.
that tiktok of dnc stooges dancing to we will rock you then cutting to footage of destruction in north africa pretty much says it all
I really think that despite debate bros being a small portion of actual left discourse (even online left discourse), their framing of "winning" the argument became the dominant mode of engagement. Actual political victory isn't achieved when you say the right words; it can only come when we advocate and IMPLEMENT actual solutions to the problems we face in our communities. Its clear our main enemies in the far right are wholly immune to any "logical" argument and engaging centrists in "debate" is just challenging a pig to mud wrestling.
Unfortunately, this problem permeates through American politics in general. Our debates aren't Presidential candidates discussing possible solutions to problems, it's one person trying to "destroy" the other person in debate.
It's even worse post-Trump because Trump figured out you don't even need to be remotely correct so long as you can manipulate people's emotions.
Well put. Debate bros don't have much actual political power, and all of their content-brained takes end once an election is over. They don't push for actual legislation to be passed and progress to be made. Like he was saying with the Ally video, online (primarily white) leftists are more concerned with being "right" than the country actually making progress.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Free Palestine
Truly.
In 15-20 years climate change will make that region virtually uninhabitable and will force massive migrations of Jews, Arabs, and Palestinians to less impacted places. Building a lasting peace NOW while we still have time will be absolutely critical to mitigating widespread disruption and violence in the future.
It's easy saying let's have peace✌️. The palestina israel conflict is considered to be unsolvable. There is no good outcome for all parties involved. No reason to not be against war and genocide, but it really is hopeless. It's humanity at its worst.
@OscarLT321 I get that view, and I'm tempted by it sometimes, but I do not agree that it is unsolvable.
After becoming a Jewish convert everyone kept asking my opinion on the conflict so I figured I should get one. And lord is it not as simple as many leftists tried to tell me it was. This is hundreds of years of back and forth.
But I'm comforted by the knowledge that we have been close to peace before, we can get there again. With Netanyahu at the helm? Un-bloody-likely, but he can't hang in forever.
Sorry but widespread violence mass migrations of people conflicts over resources are inevitable.
@@Rose_Castlewhat’s wild is they are all the same people. They are from the same tribes
@SE-gs6gd not really, no. Thousands of years ago they may have common ancestors and cultures, but you can say that of all cultures.
I got a friend who went from street pharmacy to upstanding citizen married with kids. We was talking one day and he expressed the most anti lbgtq opinions I've heard anyone say. Even though I disagree with his opinion, I understood he's a dad and a religious person and I can understand in his mind how it made sense. I said, "if I told you I as gay, would you turn your back on me even though Ive never turned my back on you in the 30 years we've known each other?" Made progress...
You think him being a *street pharmacist* somehow diminished his views on lbgt? I don’t. You should’ve left that out.
@@Ishbikes "He without sin, cast the first stone." He was casting stones with the same hand he poisoned people with and believed his words righteous with the same mouth that dishonored those who bore him. All the grace given to him for his sins, yet gives none to others. Most people got that without having to write this.
@@1914jblue oh now quoting scripture? Well how about *Let the dead bury the dead.* Redemption for lbgt won’t be possible unless they *repent & stop the idolatry.*
@@Ishbikes no stopping idolatry, how will lady gaga and chappell roan survive? gotta slay somehow.
@@1914jbluethe problem with that, is that your friend doesn’t live life as a street pharmacist, not now and not then. Circumstances in their life led them to that, which is completely separate from the “sin” of being lgbt+. Saying “you did some shit in your past, so how can you judge these people” misses the point that it shouldn’t even be considered a sin to live as your real self as if it is somehow spitting in God’s face
Nuance is essential. Every choice has consequences. If we want change, we have to focus on solutions. Collaboration requires communication, compromise, and willingness.
Hope, passion, desire are important for motivating change. But lasting change requires a balance of these emotions with reason and logic.
Not voting has consequences.
I have been disheartened by content creator's apparent willingness to accept fascist over supperting a lib. The privilege of that take is evident.
Ik you mentioned people abroad but tbh, as a Palestinian American who was once like yourself an Obama supporter, shits hard man. Its clear to us Palestinians that the democrats just don't want us in their party, our family's suffering overseas just doesn't matter to them and yet I have to make the decision to either vote for a fascist (Trump) or someone who has espoused proto-Fascist Talking points in Kamala. (The lethal military, the Border wall etc)
Its not just the "lesser of two evils" in a nebulous sense, if I don't vote, I'm mathematically giving Trump a vote who I know is worse, but if I vote Kamala; I'm still voting in a way that condemns my kinsmen to a fiery death. People (white liberals) don't understand how hard that calculus is when everyday I open reddit and continue to see the burnt, mangled corpses of Palestinian Kids, who in a very slightly different universe, could have been me. All of this suffering perpetuated and abetted under a democratic president. Its so fucked all the way down and its something thats been really messing with my psyche lately, and talking to other Palestinian Americans, they feel similarly, this election cycle has been awful to be Palestinian.
Just to clarify if it wasn't clear, I understand Trump is worse and in no way support voting for him, I only highlighted him as one of the given options
As a white leftist who used to work in politics with white liberals, I've found it exhausting and often counter productive to meet them where they're at. Politically active liberals are especially prone to being stuck on talking points and strategic electoral thinking to budge on anything when spoken to kindly. I also feel like they look at non-whites as constituency blocks and real life tragedy as sad things that happen on tv. Speaking to them kindly can often feel counterproductive.
I often feel like some people need to be shaken a little to snap out of it but I know that non-white people usually don't have the privilege to be so confrontational. So I kind of think that sometimes it's the right thing for me to do to draw a line and not be so kind and gentle in my approach all the time.
Sounds like the liberals have beat you down quite well enough tbh
The worst thing is that they will say that the democrats are the new Soviet Union.
Here is my question to you, American to American: if the issue wasn't resolved under a Democrat lead nation ,and the issue wasn't resolved under a Republican lead nation..... What makes you think relying on the president at all for the issue to cease will ever happen?
At this point it's not a partisan issue. America has it's hand in the cookie jar for their part, but it's a hell of a lot easier to say shame on you from the couch. If America says no, if America says "Fuck off Isreal", do we have the power to put our money where our mouth is and actually defend war not dripping onto American soil?
Kamala Harris doesnt seem very stoked on Israel, unlike genocide joe. Of all the options available (even RFK) Harris is the only one who has even come close to criticizing israel. Not to mention the fact that an ever-increasing section of the democratic voter base (as well as some members of the congress and senate) are mounting more and more pressure to reject israel.
As a Brit, we're now stuck with an awful right wing Prime Minister who pretended to be left wing and thus collapsed turnout (still got in because the other party was so appalling).
We shall be continuing to trash him, thanks. Because his politics is horrific.
Wait he was phony????
That Sigh Before The Ad Drop 😭😂
Thank you so much for putting a spotlight on the perverse mediums and how they take advantage of folks' beliefs/fears, especially with the amplified awareness of just how much the average person *doesn't* know about history but have yet to seek it out/listen.
The response to “Black Americans are our colonizers too” was underwhelming from black leftists. You can admit that black soliders help to further American imperialism without trying to justify why they’re there in the first place.
5:34 I really do like this take.
Like I’ve had this exact argument with someone being that I’m white and transgender - basically with a liberal trans woman who took issue with the Dublin trans pride parade prominently featuring Palestinian people as speakers (some of whom aren’t trans) as “watering down our message”.
That’s obviously not the way I see it. I’m not sure I would be happy with us distancing ourselves from Palestinian people even if it did mean better conditions for us, because it would only mean affirming our position on a hierarchy above colonised people, and that’s a hierarchy that still puts us below cis people; when really the goal should be not to have bullshit hierarchies in the first place. That obviously resulted in a fairly spicy conversation.
You can absolutely take part in colonialism, even if you’re objectively a minority alienated from the levers of power. And yeah I share your concern that Harris, like Obama, risks doing absolutely nothing for Palestinians, even if she is much more likely to do something positive than trump, I don’t trust her to actually do it.
That's such a revealing way of thinking, other oppressed peoples showing solidarity with your group = watering it down 😬
Honestly a pretty yikes way of thinking
@@llama1312 see that’s what I wanted to say to her; but sometimes when you’re put on the spot and you’re angry with someone, the right words just don’t come to you, and that’s kind of what happened. I sort of just removed myself from that situation.
In reality we had Palestinian people come and add their voices to ours in solidarity, not watering us down but backing us up. It was wrong for her to say that.
@@RedJadeArt those people are always looking to be like... like they want to climb the ladder and be Respectable in the eyes of their direct oppressors. im not a "respectable" trans person because im gnc still and i don't want any surgeries/hrt. other trans people think i make us look bad because i'm not chasing cis people's approval, and that's fine. but they're so busy chasing approval instead of actual rights for us, they'll hurt other minorities and tear them down just to make sure they don't get in the way- and in the end it'll never work, because when they get rid of the ones deemed not-respectable, they'll be the next target. we should be showing solidarity with people who struggle the way we do (though our struggles are ofc very different, if intersecting in ways), not trying to tear each other down to climb to the top. it's getting us fucking nowhere.
to be honest this instance is doubly heinous to me, because one of the primary points i see from people trying to justify genocide is saying palestinians ALL hate lgbt people (nevermind that there are lgbt palestinians)- but when some show up to defend and stand with us, suddenly it's "palestinians dont belong here". which is it? sorry for such a long comment, and sorry if this seems unrelated
@@RedJadeArt You are in the right and very much so. From my grandpa I learned that religious conservatism can be good but relying on religion to guarantee fundamental human rights is bad. There is always a nobility people try to cosplay and emulate with championing religion but once again if my grandpa living in India and an India man in Britain has the same supposed religion but in Britain there is agreement with Rowling whereas in India the same religion out of my Grandpa transforms everything around him by presence into the Hinduism of scripture, the issue is the consistency of religion. It's nice that Hinduism is trans positive, lgbtq+ friendly, for knowledge purposes, but rights need to be guaranteed equally by law for all humans. In times of strife the leaders use fear to rule, in times of peace the true sentiments of the individual come out. You understand that trans people showing support does more for the cause and trans-positivity intrinsically and that is the right stance. My family taught me values not to respect whatever. I have had no issues with misgendering or anything simply because I understand starting convos being negative is dumb if you don't have to. Passing or not passing it's an issue, what's nicer is the feeling of not being a needless bully, and knowing just being polite I was able to add peace to someone else's day. This is the sentiment I get too from Palestinian families I have been able to help resettle in Britain. Even if they're a different religion to my parents, they still echo that simple value.
One of the best things I learned from my grandpa was to give grace to children. In order to build trust and respect with a child you have to show them respect and understand their world. I started teaching a bit on the spare time due to my grandpa inspiring me. I still do so whenever I get the time. It's nice all them agree beyond politics what is evil is villainizing a child for showing introspection, as that is the value that should cement a position on JK Rowling's actions rather than anything else. They want to strengthen NHS support for gender affirmation privacy so that pediatricians can decide if it's safe for the child's parents to fully know this stuff out of fear seeing the media nonsense.
My God, your views are like a philosophical Frankenstein’s monster.
The problem with the ENTIRE internet right is that everyone wants to the right. Everyone wants their answer to any situation to be the ONLY right answer even tho we live in a world where two things can be true at the same time.
One thing you'll notice on social media is the phenomenon where there's the guy that even while AGREEING with the previous person's comment, will still argue and make the same point, as if _they_ said it first. I think that's evidence enough that everyone is doing things just to be noticed, like you said
One of the best decisions I made was walking into the school in question and asking if someone there knew how I could easily give away laptops from one year use. DoD laptops already taxpayer paid, instead of them being tossed. Told them what I could do on my end and what I needed help with. They had a solution for me that same day, and I had to setup nothing paperwork wise. The hardest thing I have experienced in my life is convincing fellow peers in my tax bracket to understand that there are already people where they want to help that know the situation better than them, have been working trying to figure out a solution longer, understand the real world variables and landscape and are easier to deal with than paperwork and fame loving NGO sycophants that love money and responsibility could care less about help. I feel like I've done really no work and I haven't but enabling these new friends I can call them now has made it impossible for me to never eat at a corporate steakhouse as I now have friends I can visit in each major town and city, of all colors that are actually doing real world productive work with real world results. I say this all the time, sometimes parroting it back, because I know that the self-doubt and guilt and cringe I see when this is said is not applicable when reality provides proof. [Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists, therein lies the peace long sought, since dawn of man, sentience in hand, the proof to the introspective quandaries, "have I done what can be done? Have I done enough?". ] -- A combined quote of mine from being into philosphy. Original quotes paraphrased are conclusions from works by Marcus Aurelias, Emmanuel Kant, Wilhelm Hagel, Judith Butler and Gloria Watkins.
I hold an almost contempt towards the politicians and political machine, for seeking fame and not doing their damn jobs, but you know out of all the people I know I have never had to tell them how to vote, that's not even necessary, because I can be comforted knowing they won't be voting counter to their community and family interests ever. I have the choice of staying online or being able to go offline, and go city to city, and meet and talk to that multicultural, multi-ethnic group of knowledgeable, hard-working Americans that both sides of the national machine like to tout, they have ideas, solutions and collaborative efforts forward that awe and inspire me to do similar. I applied these same things to the area I hold another citizenship in and convince people there with much more influence what the ideas that work are, showing real world results. British Columbia Canada has it's very real world issues but has those friends of mine in America to thank for the ideas that it's leftist government has managed to implement so well and thoroughly to the point where TV propaganda seems to fall off at election time. What's true peace is knowing I did barely anything I just connected the dots, and don't have the hubris or fear to think I have failed society or my country, and I warn those that do, that an lazily applied application of wealth leading to harm instead of help is complicity, not on legal terms on conscience terms and unless they has no conscience they understand.
It's nice being able to watch videos online understand the wrongs and the rights, and it's even nicer to turn them off and go actually meet the America both sides seem to think is their side. It's nice to see the level of cringe at the likes of Candace Owens, and Nancy Pelosi in Kente Cloth, in hatred and the other in hubris, and not experience that in reality. I can only go to political events and social functions with a purpose now, otherwise I'd lose my lid, I'd rather fill out my own tax forms and call that leisure time ahah. I am no saint or genius my upbringing and family did have a lot to do with my ideas, but what convinced me more was the results of these ideas being present in front of me to see, at each consecutive step and feeling the fulfillment that comes from that.
That new Clairo in the background 😌
No Clairo shade here 😏
Ok, I thought I was hallucinating it because I've been listening to it so much lol
@@mattieh4901lmaoo me too
ayeee 😎
Clairo getting sent to the Gulag when we take power
After reading these comments I just want to say, not everybody is able to go out and organize IRL. Some of us are disabled and/or in financial situations that make it extremely difficult/impossible. I don't think people should be discouraged from doing everything that they can, the way that they can. I know that y'all aren't aiming that at us I just felt like I needed to say it.
I think the support for Kamala makes sense after almost 10 years of dealing with those two dinosaurs going back and forth at each other.
Real talk, I think a big part of it is that we all readily expected being told continuously that Trump is an "existential threat to democracy" while the Democrats insisted on running a visibly-declining octogenarian who had triple- and quadrupled-down on aiding and abetting a genocide into November, and so having the ticket suddenly shift to two younger (relatively), progressive (admittedly not by leftist standards, but by American standards of the last half-century, certainly) who seem like they actually give a shit about winning and backing up the "Trump must be stopped no matter what" talk with some actual damn effort just feels like, for once, the Democrats might either be listening or at least finally arriving at the conclusions most of their electorate reached six years ago.
The power of contrasts is immense.
Hey, that's not a fair comparison.
Watching two dinosaurs going back and forth might actually be entertaining. :p
Them and Hillary back in 2016. This is, relatively speaking, in a very lowkey sense relieving
It makes sense, and I think the feelings on the further left also "make sense", I think people are coming from legit places on all sides on this. Maybe a few bad apples are supporting palestine to be edgey or contrary but really I don't find microanalyzing that small amount of people worth our time trying to "virtue test" everyones "true" support of palestine
Makes sense because old white guys. Got it. 😏 For 12 of the past 16 years you've had Kamala.
Little Joel just dropped a “x is cooked” vid at the same time lol
Yeah the pick up artistry one Lmao
I just saw it lol😭
They the same people
@@NotVeryGudGamer I heard little Joel has a second channel where he focuses on video essays. Maybe it’s this one
This video was right above Little Joe's in my feed
Equality under capitalism is when the marginalized get to do drone strikes
Very helpful!
FD Signifier is that you? 😂
That drone spoke waves.
Didn’t she say we’re going to have the fiercest military???
You literally. Already have it.
FD Signifier make a video about politics that doesn’t make everything about black people challenge
6:25 "As soon as any given person who considers themselves an ally has a problem with what a Black person did, the anti-Blackness comes out like tourettes syndrome" holyyyyyy shit thank you I feel I'm going crazy being the only person in my circle who noticed this
I didnt get what this meant. Is it say that white people are inherently races and will shit on black people if they get the chance if so thats kinda cringe and I dont know entirely uninteresting.
You're not the only one who feels like this. It's impossible to ignore for a lot of us.
Happens so often, especially with women. The way people jumped on Lizzo with all the anti-Black and body shaming the minute she got canceled, saying it’s okay because she’s one of the “bad ones”
It's because that is what a lot of people believe deeply and they're just looking for a reason to say it
SAME. I’ve been feeling like this since 2016 with white online leftists, and it’s why since then as a general rule I don’t really fuck with them, at least not in online spaces. I feel like this year it’s really hitting its apex point especially since Harris has become the nominee. Between the genocide in Gaza and the state of the election I’ve seen too many non-black, but particularly white leftists, online say some pretty out of pocket shit about us that they had no business saying in the first place. All the while speaking in OUR language and vernacular as they do it half the time.
I'm frustrated with the situation because Kamala reminds me of Obama. There are domestic policies she's espoused that I support, but her foreign policy (like Obama's) is terrible. It kills me knowing that my tax dollars are supporting a genocide. I don't want to vote for her, but having Trump take office again would be catastrophic for our country and democracy. So I'll vote for Kamala, but I'll continue to support the freedom of the Palestinian people. I'll donate and, if given the opportunity, protest in the streets. My one hope is that we can pressure Kamala and the democratic party through protesting and other forms of activism into changing their current approach toward Palestine. I don't think this would even be possible with a Trump/Republican-majority government.
Bingo, that’s what we will a have to do. With trump I doubt we be allowed to do that since I’m convinced he will incite war to repeat ww2 booming economy again
Brother, your Tax dollars have always supported genocide & colonialism
Yeah. I saw a great article about how voting is about choosing your opponent
USA stability is not more important than Palestine's self-determination
If you donate then donate local or direct causes. DNC and Harris don’t need your money.
Yeah I've just been blocking everyone participating in the forced "black ppl vs Palestinians" nothing to gain from discussing or engaging
Irl the only two marches I've ever been to were cosponsored by my local blm org and a bunch of organizations supporting Palestine. The solidarity is there and its powerful.
I'm not really online and because I live in a white town I've actually had the opposite experience of being not super excited about Kamala due to her pre political background hearing white liberals go crazy over her as a black leftist. I'm just tired and angrier than ever at the status quo. Especially with the immigration talk, having just changed careers to one that relies on both migraint and exploited illegal immigrants.
The left need to organised outside their communities and make sure the socialist policies are not being commandeered by the right and rebranded as means for tax breaks for wealthy
One day we need a FD x Ja Rule collab so we can make sense of all this
I don’t wanna dance I’m scared to death
💀
Where is Ja!!!???
Homie had to come with the pre-Africa Chappelle jokes.
I swear!!
Yup! As someone who only started organizing in real life in the past year, people on the streets are cool as fuck. Even the most conservative weirdos are, for the most part, amenable to a friendly conversation about socialism if you catch them without their fingers on a fuckin keyboard.
I have argued (like straight up shouting) with my white liberal friends before and then we hug and remind each other that we love each other. People are cool, discourse sucks shit.
I've had a similar experience but sometimes it can be frustrating too. Depending on the space, being friendly can lead to being a kind of token person that gives permission to the others to act badly. Kind of like the stereotypical female radio host who says "guys, that's not nice!".
lol forgive how pathetic this is but like... how'd you get out and start doing it? what kind of irl org did you have the best time working with? i want to and can't figure out how to put my fuckin left foot in front of my right one
@spacetimevortex for me, it started as small as going to "fun" meetups related to other special interests and political organizing, and snowballed almost faster than i could keep up. Planned Parenthood sometimes does screenings and conversation around movies, there's been art/craft events I've made it out to once or twice. Even just going to your neighborhood, ward, and county meetings that go on all year, it so much essier than it seems to get the foot in the door. I went to all these with the intention of listening and taking notes of what other people said-- their names, something unique about them, something they said that I resonated with. I mostly take notes for my poor memory, but it helps me keep track and remember that each person I meet is their own little representative of their bubble.... and be able to recall them by name weeks or months later, which they appreciated-- my memos would be "I think that person has cool ideas," vs "hot redhead maybe socialist?" so my greetings came off more sincere than greasy.
People I never thought I'd meet or know how to meet in the reproductive rights battle were just... already there. And listening well, to conversation I was and was not explicitly looped in on, I could tell that many already considered themselves "more progressive" than the average democrat... making it much easier to bring up other good Lefty points (save the good dunks and jokes from online for icebreakers if it feels right). Half of the attendees usually work directly with the community, whether it' paraprofessional, pro, or just good looking out.
After a few weeks of talking to the few people who wanted to keep that friendly but purposeful banter up, I started getting imvites to all kinds of things i never, ever would have found on my own. There are always people who are motivated and willing to do the work, if they can find even a single nearby and safe enough buddy to help stand against the valid fears they may have about safety re: their own marginalized identities, potential harassment/ violence... or fear of getting burnt out and complacent too soon, especially those who are rather ill or homebound. It's almost like needing a gym buddy, or a friend to walk home from school with, but I think they're easier to meet than New Friends. Even though they may well end up being friend down the line.
Mostly I met/meet people who truly inspire me to dig deep & do better, or do the work on myself to stop being hung up on what REALLY stops me from following their ecamples.
Her line at the dnc about the most lethal military was gross and bad
I felt like I got whiplash back to an neocon speech in 2004. Like why tf was anyone cheering for that?
@@SPARTAN-KD21 Exactly. I get not wanting trump, but the fact that we're so desperate for anyone else means she can pander to the center, instead of the left
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It's generic cookie cutter stock america biggest america best propaganda as it always has been.
What kind of military should we have
The thing I struggle with is the fact that every minute we spend handholding people through the lessons they should’ve learned over the last 16 years, Palestinians and Congolese and Sudanese are getting shredded, raped, and tortured. I’m finding it very difficult to maintain empathy and withhold my impulse to confront people with the damage they are actively causing when they insist on sustaining this babyish, Disney Land level of political understanding at a time when every minute counts. I wish more folks would get their hands dirty with some George Jackson.
Building Our Power podcast recommends getting tf off the Internet and not showing our hands, and instead work with our irl communities, and I think they’re right.
Yes.
@@karlsaintlucy Fine. I'll check it out -_-. This is kind of the position I used to have before it burnt me out but now I'm burnt out from being confrontational. Maybe it's time that I embrace the cycle. *sigh*
@@chalkies I mean, I just try to remember that the Palestinians are accomplishing amazing things, both in perseverance and active resistance, while being way more burnt out than I am 😭
I feel exactly the same way. Sometimes handholding people through those lessons can feel rewarding but often it can feel counterproductive.
It's also draining to constantly be in sympathizing with people that are polite, nice, friendly but so brazenly cruel.
Feel the section around 14:00 so much. The world is endlessly explained from a left perspective, and it keeps being explained, WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING. Sometimes I think people mistake being informed for having moved the needle.
Hot damn will I be adopting "people mistake being informed for having moved the needle" into my vocabulary. Thank you!
Last week my mother and I had a spirited discussion about the Kamala Harris campaign where I was able to inform her that she was in fact black (for some reason she thought both her parents were Indian), and she was able to get me to see and acknowledge that Megan Thee Stallion's appearance on the campaign trail was a bit pandering and not the best use of the rapper's endorsement. It was nice and I wish every conversation I had with people was like this. We didn't always agree and things got heated, but we came out the other side better for it because we weren't obsessed with being right the whole time. We focused on trying to state our thoughts and feelings and genuinely listening to and trying to understand the other person.
I can't speak much to this topic specifically, but I can definitely feel the friction and vitriol among Leftists when talking about the Israel Palestine conflict. You mention that conflict in the region was inevitable the moment a new nation was founded in an already populated area of the world, and everyone acts all surprised as if you just spoke something controversial. It's like, no, it's not, it's what's happened. No amount of "we bought the land" or "England approved this" is gonna change the feelings of the locals who've lived there for centuries by that point.
or you know all the systematic r*p* and slaughter they commited to steal the land during the Nakba ("the ethnic cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe, or "the hundred years war on Palestine" by Rashid Khaldi, are well regarded foundational texts if you want to learn more) . This isn't ancient history, these atrocities were commited to people who are still alive, or people's parents or grandparents. It's insane to think any human being is going to be ok with that. Most people don't understand the sheer violence europeans commited against the Palestinians, but the genocide now is giving people a good window into who these settlers are and always were. It just wasn't being live streamed the last 76 years.
I feel like that is a very quaint way of describing the settler colonial state of Israel. Imagine if people described america like that "yeah they founded a new nation in an already populated part of the world" makes it sound like a silly mistake when they actually committed genocide against the natives. Same in Israel when it was founded, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were chased out in an event called the Nakba creating generations of refugees.
@@drdragoon8102 Yes, it's using the most emotionally and personally disconnected language to describe ethnic cleansing, so if you can't even discuss things in that framing, imagine being blunt about the murder, and mass displacement of homes, or the lack of any action on Israel to stop illegal settlements would go over.
I feel like even though we don’t see it the issue is actually fucking up the right too just for the opposite reasons. Israel/Palestine is the most charged issue that I don’t feel is confined to the left or right. I mean fuck them all I’m saying is this issue (ie genocide and deniers of it) completely sits outside the traditional American political divide imo
the idea in my head of "leftists" trying to argue from the "Britain already bought the land" perspective confuses me. I don't know whether it's the circles we run in, or whether these people just aren't really leftists.
Kamala left me feeling out of touch by including ongoing prioritization for Israel and American exceptionalism in her speech last night. I guess not every leftist thinks like me
It was a scary speech
sounds like ReAcTiOnArY lEfTiSm to me. If you're not on the Obama 2.0 train then you have no place in this discussion!
The excitement for Kamala and the memory holing of Bidens behavior just a few weeks ago is uncomfortable to watch. Good she will beat Trump, but the astroturfing for her is unreal, like you said first to drop out
I can't speak for everyone else, but my personal excitement is because we have someone running an effective campaign and because it became easier to reach all those politically-uninvolved people whose only knowledge is "Biden is too old" and "I think I heard Trump did something bad but idk". (And to be clear I mean the totally uninformed people, not the ones who are uncommitted due to Palestine.) Volunteers who spoke to those people have said it was easier to inform them about issues again because they were totally checked out of politics from Biden vs. Trump.
She probably won’t beat Trump before you try to refute me count the number of left-wing political commentators You listen to followed by the number of right wing political commentators. Trump is ahead in the polls and due to basically every single social institution failing. You cannot gauge your generation outside of college. How fast can somebody get disaffected if they are not allowed promotions, and every single promises society fails? And the debate will likely have her be strong, armed by Trump because she is not erudite.
I am black, I work in labor and academia, and I do not understand what you are trying to stop. Harris has no credibility on Israel or policing and she is conforming democratic messaging to right-wing immigration policy. And as long as the people who can have personal conversations with politicians are unwilling to form a labor party and commit themselves to the development of such, the dissent will remain. You talk about how little present discourse has an effect on our politics, but this is because we have one of two choices; either accept the centrist Democratic status quo and all of its violence or speak into the void. Thus, some, faced with an unwillingness to accept the lesser of two evils, choose to speak into the void. But the idea that they are wronging anyone by articulating how dire our political situation is when you look past the consumer tested gloss of modern Democratic politics, is ridiculous. I am from Chicago, just like you. Many of my friends had to go to the DNC because their jobs in labor or education demanded it. One them saw two handsome black Zoomers standing in front of Israeli protesters and making fun of them, others watched as fellow black people they worked alongside of, plugged their ears as they walked past the protesters. Another, who is a delegate for RI, had their Delegate chair attempt to remove a fellow Palestinian American delegate for participating in protest. The Democratic Party refused to allow one Palestinian from a list of over 100 speak on their behalf. So no, there should be no shutting up or appeals for decorum. The power to hesitantly support the Democrats is no power at all.
I couldn’t sleep at all last night so all I did was binge FD’s videos only to finally get like… 1 hour of sleep and wake up to this. I‘ve manifested something.
Manifested insomnia it seems. Hopefully you get more sleep tonight.
hasan spoke to cori bush yesterday at the dnc when interviewing the uncommitted protesters, and the way cori spoke about this topic was interesting
Link?
How? What did she say?
for those asking you can find the interview at the end of a video titled "HasanAbi Interviews Cori Bush & Uncommitted Delegates at the DNC" by House of HasanAbi (he interviews Cori starting at around the 1 hour mark). I watched some of the interviews of uncommitted protestors which were enlightening too, I recommend checking it out (EDIT: edited version on HasanAbi's channel is titled DEMOCRATS NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM, interview with Cori at 44:50ish)
@@desertdrifter7 1 hour, 20 minutes, 10 seconds on his videos on twitch for the unedited version. its a shame we cant directly link out, i tried a few times now. thanks
his editors should also be working on these vids for his main channel so you will prolly see them there too
Solidarity crosses every intersection. There is not one issue that the Palestinians have that doesn't concern Black folk in America. Recognize the common struggle.
TOTALLY AGREE💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
That makes for a pithy soundbite but also is fundamentally untrue unless you really think black folks are at risk of being massacred by a foreign military?
@@GYI5U Systematic oppression enabled and funded by the US government. That sound familiar?
@@GYI5U do you think the police who mostly come from outside black communities aren't equivalent to a "foreign military" given the explicitly racist training and increased arming of them?
@@GYI5Uthe tactics and weaponry that the IDF uses to surppress Palestinians are taught and given to US police, which are then used on black Amercians. Freeing Palestine has a direct impact on BLM
This conversation, itself, is pretty terminally online.
The leftist opposition to Kamala isn't primarily driven by white people, the liberal Kamala glazing isn't primarily driven by Black people. And, this is anecdotal, but most of the people of color that I know feel no urgency to vote for Kamala because they feel that their lives just stay the same or GET WORSE no matter who is in office while most of the rabid KHive stans in my life are well-off white moderates, the kinds that MLK warned of. This whole "white radicals vs. Black liberals" narrative just strikes me as liberal apologia.
I'm sorry, honing in on the "white leftist vs. Black liberal" angle of it all just makes me think of the Hillary Clinton supporters who were all, "Bernie Bros are just angry white men, Black people love Hillary, let's just support the neoliberalism in perpetuity until snarky white guys on Twitter get their shit together." Like, come on, be serious.
You say that you are "talking" to the libs in your life to get them to change their perspective. Great! Show us how it's done! Maybe do that instead of tone-policing "folks in the middle east" who no longer want their babies to be blown to bits while we (I include myself here) consistently fail to build some kind of dual power and just finger-wag every four years about "lesser evils."
@@jacobchaudoin9680 THANK YOU
Theyre making white leftist look like super well read principled anti imperialist communist lol. Thats not what i've seen its mostly non american brown ppl calling out american liberals out, not really a race issue at all
This. I feel like I’m going insane watching this video, I usually like fd
You spittin'
Yes
I see a Signifier video, I tap on it.
Good stuff. Reminds me of the discourse around Raygun. While we were piling on, some of my friends told us collectively to stfu unless we were going to post videos of actually good breaking from the Olympics because the performative outrage was taking up all the oxygen in the room. They were right.
FD isn't just being a grumpy old man when he tells yall to get off the internet and do something in your community. Yes, we can use social media for education and trans global organization, but really sharing things on your story is only doing so much. Unless your like a Kardashian or whatever, your reach is only so big. If I you get involved with your community, whatever that looks like for you, you can make a very tangible difference.
I've been chronically online in the past. I made a solid effort to join up with an in person organization, while continuing to read theory. I left social media almost entirely (no more tiktok, fb, etc), instead putting that time and energy into other stuff. I've been at it for 5 months. I wish i could honestly say it helped, but it kinda hasn't? The organizational heads didn't have a serious long term plan (besides, get more members), they merely kept reacting to whatever the current controversy is. Whats a person to do if they don't have time to run their own org, but their local orgs are misguided?
I joined Twitter in 2020 to find people who thought alike. I ended up part of no comrades under 1k which I thought was a real nice movement. But then I learnt that everyone online is kinda nuts, jerky, resentful, angry, and unreasonable. So I gave up on the whole online thing a couple of years later
“Gaza strip was gettin bombed, Obama didn’t say sh*t”
"[...lasting peace and security most Israeli and Palestinian families yearn for] means acknowledging that Palestinians have also lived in disputed territories for generations; that many of them were not only displaced when Israel was formed but continue to be forcibly displaced by a settler movement that too often has received tacit or explicit support from the Israeli government; that Palestinian leaders who’ve been willing to make concessions for a two-state solution have too often had little to show for their efforts; and that it is possible for people of good will to champion Palestinian rights and oppose certain Israeli government policies in the West Bank and Gaza without being anti-semitic."
- Barack Obama, October 23 2023
True. We didn't say shit when Egypt flattened Gaza a decade ago.
@@GolumTR Please tell me how that speech lines up with policy decisions on Gaza him and his cabinet made from 2008-2016.
@@user-in9iz6mi3n I don't recall Egypt
Flattening Gaza " a decade ago ... maybe that's why no one said anything about it
@@GolumTRliberals love lip service, but don't care about actual policy. How many billions did Obama still send to the fascist state that was non-compliant with international law? Oh, thought so
I'm saddened regularly by the fact that social media has led to an erosion in nuance, empathy, and 'real' engagement (when there wasn't a whole bunch of any of those things to begin with).
So much of this is just a way for people to spend their free time online. Like go volunteer at a homeless shelter, go knock on doors for a local politician (or hell pay any attention at all to your local politicians), talk to actual real people in your community.
Most of the issues people are 'owning' each other online about have had literally dozens if not hundreds of books written on them and we either don't have an answer or theres political opposition for complicated reasons (probably racism or classism this is America after all) to the probable best answer. Your pithy remarks aren't going to be the end all be all (general you there, I think you've mentioned you are and have been out there doing work in your community).
these people would rather take us five steps backward instead of one step forward, because it’s “not good enough.”
If you’ve already taken five step backwards, taking one step forward isn’t “progress”.
Nacho Supremo needs to become a restaurant chain
It's good to know I'm not alone, drowning out my sorrow and rage by practicing Reina combos.
Def something I've noticed within organizing spaces this year, there have been plenty of folks that are posting/making content/yada that seems more concerned with being correct or guilting folks rather than moving people to take action or educate.
You act as if normal people can make a difference.
Guilt and shame can move people to action.
@@SirCamera It really can't. Negative emotions make people *stop* doing stuff, but it sucks at making them "start* doing stuff. You can't guilt someone into dying for your cause, you can't shame someone into learning.
You need hope & joy & belonging to make people stand up for themselves. The left is entirely based on hatred and fear, and that's where it fails.
@@SirCameraNo. Shame is a DEmotivator. Shame stops people from acting. Shame doesn't create action, it dulls motivation. You have to tell people what they can do, not just what they can't.
@@MolecularMachine “can we stop sending weapons to the country that just debated sanctioned rape of prisoners?”
“Wahhhh! You’re shaming me!”
Politics is just team sports, right?
100%, it’s why a concerning amount of the pro Palestine ppl I see online also support Russia invading Ukraine
@@James-9999 Isn't it consistent to push for a ceasefire in both scenarios?
@@tankiegirl not from what I’ve seen. They want Ukraine to give up land to Russia and then they want Israel to give land to Palestine, exact opposites in my view if you see Russia and Israel as the dominant oppressive & invasive powers. The peace deal that they constantly say Ukraine should of accepted would-
1. Give up 80% of their coast line.
2. Completely disarm
3. Give up 20% of their total land.
Never heard a pro Palestine person calling for gaza to exchange their coastline for peace like they do with Ukraine😔
Idk if your views, so this may not be reflective of you, but it is something I’ve seen in leftist spaces
@@James-9999In the middle east the land in question has historically belonged to Palestine, while the land being contested in Ukraine has historically been a part of Russia. Again, it's consistent to want the people who live there to decide no?
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the sigh before the ad read was hilarious lmao
As a black leftist it’s so hard not to get angry about this stuff. Like my frustration with the black community as my uncle says that Kamala is going to make everything better. Especially going from straight poverty to where I am now. I just hate it and it’s so tough to figure out how i can effectively use this frustration. Especially with my son being born into this world and just feeling so abysmally hopeless
It sounds to me like you know exactly what to do with your frustration. Raising good, compassionate people in loving community is radical work.
I realized I tend toward of perfectionism/perfectionist ideas as a result of anxiety of doing the “wrong” thing. Getting out and getting with a group to organize for improvements in my community (specifically making the streets safer in my town) has really helped. Meeting with neighbors who share a goal, and came to the same conclusions (streets need to be safer) from VERY different backgrounds than me has really helped push towards better.
Are we pushing as far as I would like? No. But I can be a voice pushing further, while also working towards solutions that are better than we have now.
In short, touch grass. It helps you, and it helps your community. At worst, you’ll learn something.
-white leftist who hasn’t finished the video, so I sure hope you don’t say something halfway through that makes me looked like an absolute clown
Perfectionism is such a big factor in why so many people don't do things. I'm happy you worked through it and have learned that perfection isn't possible the first time doing something.
I feel like when people think about organizing, they don't think about it being an entire skill set that you have to learn, which takes time and experience to develop. And that time and experience takes place in the real world, and has real world consequences. That is scary. But that's kinda a deterrent built into our society, intended to stop the development of would be organizers.
Keep going, learn with your comrades, and have fun with it!
I'm still wondering what people expect for me who has some difficulties leaving the house a lot of the time? :( I wish I could go out and organize but I can barely take care of my immediate needs.
@thejunecooperative focusing on getting to a state where you are stable is completely valid. Organizing is not something that everyone can do, but there are still things individuals can do that helps the process.
A lot of organizing is focused on building working class consciousness. That's the big pre-requisite to actual revolutionary movements. 2020 was a revolutionary moment but the people en mass were not prepared as we had no mass understanding of working class consciousness which allowed the messages of 2020 to be coopted by liberalism, leading to the deflated revolutionary potential.
All of that to say that if your situation doesn't allow for you to start organizing, you can always focus on developing your own working class consciousness and can help those around you develop theirs.
And like I mentioned above about perfectionism, when the time comes, don't allow your perspective of socialist organizations get in the way of seeing the bigger picture. All socialist organizations want a socialist revolution. These organizations are made up of people, and people are flawed, so organizations are also flawed. Accept that the moment is happening, and some groups have done the work to gain majority trust, and that the world we develop out of revolution will be one developed by the people en mass. Not whatever group leads the revolution.
Another thing you could do is reach out to local organizations and learn if they ever host hybrid(in-person and online) events so you can attend from home and start developing connections of your own.
If you decide to further your development, you will inevitably get to a point where you need other people to help further your understanding because learning on your own limits your perspective. When it comes to that point, do everything you can to be able to meet people irl. Start a book club and host it at your place. Meet up at the local library for a half hour. Every little bit helps.
@@thejunecooperative this is me. i grew up on this god forsaken internet and i can't figure out how to get myself to get up and actually do shit.. i get immediately and devastatingly overwhelmed lol
@@spacetimevortex Find one thing that you care about. Just one thing, and start from there. I think the problem with the internet is that you're constantly reminded of every bad thing that is happening in the world and you feel a sense of guilt because you're not doing everything. So either you doom scroll and burn yourself out, or you numb yourself.
Even if it's as small as attending a food drive or picking up trash. People need to remember that life is not just about these world changing political invents. Life is going to a concert and vibing; life is being with your loved ones or engaing in your favorite hobby. Care about stuff, but keep things in perspective.
Let’s be honest… when you frame life as a conspiracy , Absolutely nothing is going to make you happy.
I don’t understand what this video is in response to. Is it just the way white leftists behave on social media when they talk about issues that pertain to black folks? Is it about the media in general spending a disproportionate amount of time focusing on the “black vote”? Both those things? Something else entirely? I’d love some clarification.