India is different, cricket is a religion in sports for Indians no matter what religion they belongs to. They pray as their own belief but when come to cricket Indians are one to support team India ❤❤❤, that's the love for cricket for Indians ❤❤
About the seedings and fixtures, all these matters were discussed and approved by all participating boards before it was released to the public on January 5th. So, everything was known to everyone for 5 months before the tournament started but not 1 board nor media made noise until the British media started the complaints when England was in trouble not going to Super 8. Why didn’t they made noise from January itself if they were sincere? About India playing their SF in Guyana, this was because it was a special request from the Guyana govt to CWI as CWI was one of the organisers. So, all the stories spread by the British n Aust media about ICC favouritism towards India was false. India arrived in Barbados only at midnight after the SF and did not train the day before the final. Where’s the advantage that India got ? In every WC, the British and Aussie media will make noises if their team chances of winning are in danger.
Yes no strong complaints from us, but that’s not to say that it couldn’t be improved with some tweaking to allow more time before the semi finals for all teams and especially getting rid of those predetermined seedings. Always good to think about ways to make the tournament a better product for fans and thinking about conditions that will produce the best cricket. Something we forgot to mention as well but hopefully won’t happen again is for an international tournament to follow so closely after the IPL - I do think this has a negative impact on preparation for all the teams, with some handling it better than others.
@@thetoporderpodcast I agree things should have been better as the journeys between islands was very bad and because of this, teams were delayed and many journalists and fans couldn’t get to the venues . In the end, we all agree on one thing, all the boards were more concerned about the amount they will be getting from ICC than the comfort of players, journalists and fans.
@@thetoporderpodcast About the presseding it was due to broadcaster. Indian broadcaster brought like 90% of the money to the table so we had pressedings and morning matches were alloted to India. Also the Indian cricket team was not happy abt morning matches as condition in the evening were easier. Preseedings had happened in 2014,2016,2021,2022 and it happens in other sports also
I had to stop watching at the nonsense about Sky's catch. There is plenty of actual real evidence that the catch was clean. I consider this petty and unbecoming of decent sports people to focus on instead of actually appreciating India's victory. I can't take this any more. Very disappointed in your channel. It would have been a little more gracious to start with something decent. Too bad. I unsubbed. I expect that kind of stuff from the haters at TGC who delight over every opportunity to passive-aggressively troll India, but thought this channel might be different.
man they just said everyone should get over it, they didn't say anything controversial at all. Watch the whole thing first before jumping on conclusions. But yes, it shouldn't even be a conversation.
@nsn5564 It’s a shame you feel this way - if you’d watched until the end of that discussion (only a couple of minutes), you’d see that we said people need to move on from it. Whether you think it is a fair topic or not, it’s been a big talking point after the match. We’re all unanimous in our praise for India’s victory and you’ll have seen that during our coverage of the tournament (and even in this episode). I will say that difference of opinion is actually a good thing and it can make discussion more interesting to present different sides to the argument and we can all decide where we stand on certain topics.
There hasn’t been much controversy about it over here in New Zealand - mostly just people talking about what an amazing piece of fielding it was from SKY under immense pressure.
Forgettable World Cup from New Zealand...but hopefully better things to come in the future. Binksy was on fire today! The England squad is interesting for sure, will be interesting to see how the Test Series plays out 👍
We cricket lovers remember Mitch Marsh putting keeping the trophy at his feet trying to make a statement in 2023.Now they could not even reach the semis. Remember the 7 great sins. Pride is one.
The line was not marked ( only dry grass) so the original marking must be under the cushion . Either way it’s a fair catch as he took it cleanly as per the existing boundary and as visible clearly on TV. If it’s moved by air or rain or what ever it’s ICC’s and umpire’s job. They declared it as fair . End of discussion. India were best, unbeaten and well deserved wold champions. 🏆 👑
Yes South Africa should have got to the finish line from 30 off 30 balls, but saying they choked I think would take away from India’s quality in those final 5 overs. Both teams put on a great show but unfortunately only one could win.
I think based on empirical data, lower scoring pitches tend to converge teams. Look the NY games. Most of them were close. You can argue about the entertainment and thats a personal preference thing but I dont generally have a problem unless its dangerous or something extreme like low bounce. I see some validity to the grumblings about the organisation of the tournament but its lacking some information input which skews perspective. The seedings have been there for almost every ICC tournament going back as far as the 90s. Maybe skipped a few in the middle due to changing formats. But it is 100% to make sure where fans have to travel in advance. Caribbean is not a place where thousands of people can simply travel from one place to another on 1 or 2 day notice. Limited flights being the biggest factor. Both semi finals had 250 minutes of extra time. Since semi final 1 was at night, the carry over time was the next day. It couldnt be the next day for SF2 because the final was on Saturday as the broadcaster wanted the reserve day to be a Sunday and not Monday. It was a logistical compromise. As for the pacing of the tournament, people really start tuning out if and when their team loses. Previous editions, especially if india gets knocked out, had poor viewership even towards the pointy end. You need games everyday to keep the interest.
Yes great points and totally understand the need for ICC to consider the logistics for travelling fans in the tournament organisation. It’ll always seem strange to me that Afghanistan for example finished 2nd in their group but went through to the Super 8 pool as C1 (as just one example of this), but in the end the seedings probably made no difference to the outcome of the tournament. Perhaps the unique nature of hosting in the Caribbean presented challenges that simply won’t be as obvious in future tournaments, but we still found it interesting to talk through the things we liked and didn’t like.
What a credit it is to Jimmy Anderson that he is almost 42 years old and you guys are talking about how he could carry on longer rather than stopping now - and that I agree! Looked the best of the English seamers in India and expect him to be even better at home. Going to miss watching him swing the ball.
Not a choke by SA... Indian skill and grit choked them and then it was a knock out! The threat of J. Bumrah makes top batsmen behave in strange ways, even when he's not bowling! 🇮🇳
England are starting their preparations for next year’s Ashes thus they have discarded their senior bowlers to see whether the new young bowlers can do well and are ready to play in Australian conditions. Their batters 1-6 will not be changed unless someone does really badly , so no changes there. Foakes was not selected because although he is a good WK, he doesn’t score enough runs and the management want a WK who can score 60-70 runs quickly. I think it’s time for NZ board to do the same and check out a few young players as preparation for the retirement of seniors.
Interesting thoughts about NZ - I do think the next 12 months we will start to see younger players coming through in more numbers, particularly in the white ball formats. Ravindra, Phillips, Sears, O’Rourke already, with a few others seemingly close based on the team that went to Pakistan during the IPL and a few other signs.
@@thetoporderpodcast The one player who seems to hv disappeared is Ajaz Patel since he took 10 wickets against India playing in India which not every bowler can do. Hope he finds his form and get back into the NZ test team asap.
Yes that was an amazing performance, even in a loss. He may get another opportunity on the tours to Sri Lanka and India (plus Afghanistan test). They may also look to bring a younger spinner into the fold.
The whole seeding system is a legacy of the old ICC dominated by England and Australia. Even Australia New Zealand World Cup in the nineties had such seedings
Did those seedings determine who played who in later rounds? Maybe they did and we didn’t realise. Just seems very strange. Afghanistan for example finished second in their pool but went to Super 8 phase as C1 because they took what was viewed as NZ’s spot. Wouldn’t it make more sense for West Indies to be C1 and Afghanistan C2 to reflect the actual group result?
Now that the curse has been broken by this team, time for Team India to go on and win a trophy every year. The new players who will come into Team India will now be motivated to emulate wat their heroes did this year and win trophies.
😀Absolutely - although with the IPL followed by the WC it has been 3 months of us talking about how good India are, which some listeners have enjoyed and some haven’t!
Btw, wat you guys think of Root’s latest statement about Bairstow’s stumping by Carey during the last Ashes series? For me, it’s a bit too late as if he had said this when the stumping happened, it wouldn’t have been a big controversy as it was.
Yeah best that we all move on from that - the actions spoke at the time and both teams I’m sure are thinking more about the next Ashes than back to that series.
Unless you have some proof that boundary has been intentionally moved for India you can't cry on that, It might have been at the same place even when Indian team was batting....
Certainly not crying - Baldy was saying that people who are complaining about it need to move on - such an amazing piece of work by SKY it’s a shame this has even become a topic everyone feels so passionate about.
You should read all law about cricket (9.3 law)then decide about laws of cricket Do you think 3 umpire is sleeping or blind Think about how to get more subscribers don't talk rubbish about fair play and respect and trust empires
Did you listen to what we said? We agree that people need to move on, and said so on the episode. Clearly it is a topic that has touched a nerve for a lot of people, though!
As a small community of international cricket, we all bounce off each other for support and competition. They make their money on merit. Please don’t watch if you don’t like it. Money is not everything and there is a lot of effort behind such podcasts. Regards.
Nothing more satisfying than seeing the Aussies not able to qualify the semis. Rohit basically smacked them out of the tournament this time.
Rohit’s intent was superb - what a way for him to bow out of T20is
India is different, cricket is a religion in sports for Indians no matter what religion they belongs to. They pray as their own belief but when come to cricket Indians are one to support team India ❤❤❤, that's the love for cricket for Indians ❤❤
We love the passion!
Tqvm guys for not picking India as favourites , otherwise, the favourite curse would have struck Team India.
🙏🙏🙏
Haha you’re welcome 😀
About the seedings and fixtures, all these matters were discussed and approved by all participating boards before it was released to the public on January 5th.
So, everything was known to everyone for 5 months before the tournament started but not 1 board nor media made noise until the British media started the complaints when England was in trouble not going to Super 8.
Why didn’t they made noise from January itself if they were sincere?
About India playing their SF in Guyana, this was because it was a special request from the Guyana govt to CWI as CWI was one of the organisers.
So, all the stories spread by the British n Aust media about ICC favouritism towards India was false.
India arrived in Barbados only at midnight after the SF and did not train the day before the final. Where’s the advantage that India got ?
In every WC, the British and Aussie media will make noises if their team chances of winning are in danger.
Yes no strong complaints from us, but that’s not to say that it couldn’t be improved with some tweaking to allow more time before the semi finals for all teams and especially getting rid of those predetermined seedings. Always good to think about ways to make the tournament a better product for fans and thinking about conditions that will produce the best cricket.
Something we forgot to mention as well but hopefully won’t happen again is for an international tournament to follow so closely after the IPL - I do think this has a negative impact on preparation for all the teams, with some handling it better than others.
@@thetoporderpodcast
I agree things should have been better as the journeys between islands was very bad and because of this, teams were delayed and many journalists and fans couldn’t get to the venues .
In the end, we all agree on one thing, all the boards were more concerned about the amount they will be getting from ICC than the comfort of players, journalists and fans.
@@thetoporderpodcast About the presseding it was due to broadcaster. Indian broadcaster brought like 90% of the money to the table so we had pressedings and morning matches were alloted to India.
Also the Indian cricket team was not happy abt morning matches as condition in the evening were easier.
Preseedings had happened in 2014,2016,2021,2022 and it happens in other sports also
@@thetoporderpodcast So there was no need of any tweaking when Australia won? Or England won? Interesting how that goes...
I had to stop watching at the nonsense about Sky's catch. There is plenty of actual real evidence that the catch was clean. I consider this petty and unbecoming of decent sports people to focus on instead of actually appreciating India's victory. I can't take this any more. Very disappointed in your channel. It would have been a little more gracious to start with something decent. Too bad. I unsubbed. I expect that kind of stuff from the haters at TGC who delight over every opportunity to passive-aggressively troll India, but thought this channel might be different.
man they just said everyone should get over it, they didn't say anything controversial at all. Watch the whole thing first before jumping on conclusions. But yes, it shouldn't even be a conversation.
Anyone who still talks about the legality of the catch is a bad loser
@nsn5564 It’s a shame you feel this way - if you’d watched until the end of that discussion (only a couple of minutes), you’d see that we said people need to move on from it. Whether you think it is a fair topic or not, it’s been a big talking point after the match. We’re all unanimous in our praise for India’s victory and you’ll have seen that during our coverage of the tournament (and even in this episode). I will say that difference of opinion is actually a good thing and it can make discussion more interesting to present different sides to the argument and we can all decide where we stand on certain topics.
@@thetoporderpodcastnz was robbed 2019 world cup very disappointed 1 extra run they gave they were the winners
Yes that was a heartbreaking day for us - except Binksy who is an England supporter! Amazingly we started the podcast together not long after.
Upset about boundary
Africa❌
Bangladesh
England
Australia
Pakistan ☑️☑️☑️☑️
There hasn’t been much controversy about it over here in New Zealand - mostly just people talking about what an amazing piece of fielding it was from SKY under immense pressure.
@@thetoporderpodcast it's not that world
It Chinese mobile they shown indian how did cheating
@@SiddheshDesai-r1mwhat? What are you trying to say bro? 😅
Forgettable World Cup from New Zealand...but hopefully better things to come in the future. Binksy was on fire today! The England squad is interesting for sure, will be interesting to see how the Test Series plays out 👍
Yeah looking forward to this Test series, but sad to say goodbye to Jimmy!
We cricket lovers remember Mitch Marsh putting keeping the trophy at his feet trying to make a statement in 2023.Now they could not even reach the semis. Remember the 7 great sins. Pride is one.
🏆😀
The line was not marked ( only dry grass) so the original marking must be under the cushion . Either way it’s a fair catch as he took it cleanly as per the existing boundary and as visible clearly on TV.
If it’s moved by air or rain or what ever it’s ICC’s and umpire’s job. They declared it as fair . End of discussion.
India were best, unbeaten and well deserved wold champions. 🏆 👑
I’m not sure if you watched the full episode, but we agree with you and that’s exactly what we said.
@@thetoporderpodcast Great. watched it. 👍
I saw thousand catches before where the boundary line has moved !! No one talked about them until now !!
Agree, and thankfully most people have moved on from the discussion, but there was a lot of noise about it at the time we recorded that episode.
Did south africa choke or India were too good or bit of both?bcoz they did well by taking spinners apart and also coped bumrah spell well.
Yes South Africa should have got to the finish line from 30 off 30 balls, but saying they choked I think would take away from India’s quality in those final 5 overs. Both teams put on a great show but unfortunately only one could win.
Good to see that the monopoly of England, Australia is over
Don’t forget New Zealand 😀
I think based on empirical data, lower scoring pitches tend to converge teams. Look the NY games. Most of them were close. You can argue about the entertainment and thats a personal preference thing but I dont generally have a problem unless its dangerous or something extreme like low bounce.
I see some validity to the grumblings about the organisation of the tournament but its lacking some information input which skews perspective.
The seedings have been there for almost every ICC tournament going back as far as the 90s. Maybe skipped a few in the middle due to changing formats. But it is 100% to make sure where fans have to travel in advance. Caribbean is not a place where thousands of people can simply travel from one place to another on 1 or 2 day notice. Limited flights being the biggest factor.
Both semi finals had 250 minutes of extra time. Since semi final 1 was at night, the carry over time was the next day. It couldnt be the next day for SF2 because the final was on Saturday as the broadcaster wanted the reserve day to be a Sunday and not Monday. It was a logistical compromise.
As for the pacing of the tournament, people really start tuning out if and when their team loses. Previous editions, especially if india gets knocked out, had poor viewership even towards the pointy end. You need games everyday to keep the interest.
Yes great points and totally understand the need for ICC to consider the logistics for travelling fans in the tournament organisation. It’ll always seem strange to me that Afghanistan for example finished 2nd in their group but went through to the Super 8 pool as C1 (as just one example of this), but in the end the seedings probably made no difference to the outcome of the tournament. Perhaps the unique nature of hosting in the Caribbean presented challenges that simply won’t be as obvious in future tournaments, but we still found it interesting to talk through the things we liked and didn’t like.
What a credit it is to Jimmy Anderson that he is almost 42 years old and you guys are talking about how he could carry on longer rather than stopping now - and that I agree! Looked the best of the English seamers in India and expect him to be even better at home. Going to miss watching him swing the ball.
Totally - what a legend
Not a choke by SA... Indian skill and grit choked them and then it was a knock out! The threat of J. Bumrah makes top batsmen behave in strange ways, even when he's not bowling! 🇮🇳
Yes J Bumrah is quite the bowler - such a joy to watch.
what controversy of catch ?
England are starting their preparations for next year’s Ashes thus they have discarded their senior bowlers to see whether the new young bowlers can do well and are ready to play in Australian conditions.
Their batters 1-6 will not be changed unless someone does really badly , so no changes there.
Foakes was not selected because although he is a good WK, he doesn’t score enough runs and the management want a WK who can score 60-70 runs quickly.
I think it’s time for NZ board to do the same and check out a few young players as preparation for the retirement of seniors.
Interesting thoughts about NZ - I do think the next 12 months we will start to see younger players coming through in more numbers, particularly in the white ball formats. Ravindra, Phillips, Sears, O’Rourke already, with a few others seemingly close based on the team that went to Pakistan during the IPL and a few other signs.
@@thetoporderpodcast
The one player who seems to hv disappeared is Ajaz Patel since he took 10 wickets against India playing in India which not every bowler can do.
Hope he finds his form and get back into the NZ test team asap.
Yes that was an amazing performance, even in a loss. He may get another opportunity on the tours to Sri Lanka and India (plus Afghanistan test). They may also look to bring a younger spinner into the fold.
The whole seeding system is a legacy of the old ICC dominated by England and Australia.
Even Australia New Zealand World Cup in the nineties had such seedings
Did those seedings determine who played who in later rounds? Maybe they did and we didn’t realise. Just seems very strange. Afghanistan for example finished second in their pool but went to Super 8 phase as C1 because they took what was viewed as NZ’s spot. Wouldn’t it make more sense for West Indies to be C1 and Afghanistan C2 to reflect the actual group result?
Now that the curse has been broken by this team, time for Team India to go on and win a trophy every year.
The new players who will come into Team India will now be motivated to emulate wat their heroes did this year and win trophies.
They certainly have the talent and depth to keep on winning for a long time yet.
Suddenly so many podcast channels talking about India😅,
😀Absolutely - although with the IPL followed by the WC it has been 3 months of us talking about how good India are, which some listeners have enjoyed and some haven’t!
Great chat guys
Thanks!
Btw, wat you guys think of Root’s latest statement about Bairstow’s stumping by Carey during the last Ashes series?
For me, it’s a bit too late as if he had said this when the stumping happened, it wouldn’t have been a big controversy as it was.
Yeah best that we all move on from that - the actions spoke at the time and both teams I’m sure are thinking more about the next Ashes than back to that series.
Unless you have some proof that boundary has been intentionally moved for India you can't cry on that, It might have been at the same place even when Indian team was batting....
Certainly not crying - Baldy was saying that people who are complaining about it need to move on - such an amazing piece of work by SKY it’s a shame this has even become a topic everyone feels so passionate about.
@@thetoporderpodcast my comment is for those who are crying
Ppl will cry for anything and everything.
Certainly appears to be a few sensitive topics out there!
Please Never Predict India as winner in future also 😂😂
Haha - although it’ll be hard not to pick them next time around after this impressive tournament.
May be you guys should stop picking India from here on so they win all
😀Will be hard to do that again after such an excellent all-round performance from them this time.
You should read all law about cricket (9.3 law)then decide about laws of cricket
Do you think 3 umpire is sleeping or blind
Think about how to get more subscribers don't talk rubbish about fair play and respect and trust empires
Did you listen to what we said? We agree that people need to move on, and said so on the episode. Clearly it is a topic that has touched a nerve for a lot of people, though!
Keep blabbering, no issues. India won the cup. There were umpires and the 3rd umpire. Go and bark infront of the ICC
India won the cup very well - great to watch 👍
You all guys are all talking crap
Thanks for your feedback 👍
They are making money from india and also troll indian team 😂😂😂😂
No trolling here, but it seems some people have watched the first minute of the conversation and got very wound up.
As a small community of international cricket, we all bounce off each other for support and competition.
They make their money on merit.
Please don’t watch if you don’t like it.
Money is not everything and there is a lot of effort behind such podcasts.
Regards.