Can it get better? NEW REL Subwoofer HT1205 MKII Review.
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Discord Link: / discord
REL HT/1205 MKII: rel.net/shop/p...
Other Reviews:
REL T5X: • Dual REL T5x Subwoofer...
REL T7X: • REL T7X Subwoofer Revi...
REL T9X: • REL T9X Subwoofer Revi...
REL 1510 Predator II: • The SQ & SPL solution ...
Speakers Used:
Buchardt S400 MKII: buchardtaudio....
Focal Kanta No1: www.focal.com/...
Focal Aria 906: www.focal.com/...
Dynaudio Special 40: www.dynaudio.c...
Preamp & Power Amplifiers
Denafrips Hestia: www.vinshineau...
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-stud...
Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-stud...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i
www.crutchfiel...
(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Venus2
www.vinshineau...
Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
www.mazeaudio.c...
(rest in peace Kent)
Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
analysis.plus/...
Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment:
Sounds great! I bet its the sweet spot for alot of people. Looking forward to 1003 mkii review and I think people are probably cross shopping with TX subs.
Do you think this subwoofer can provide high output in frequencies between 20 and 40hz?
My speakers in room drops off a cliff at 40hz... 😅
Thanks 😊
depends how big your room is and how loud you like it. The sub is very capable but some people may prefer duals, some people may still not be satisfied and that's why there is a 15" version. How much bass is "enough" is like asking how much spicy is enough spicy, it's different for everyone.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks you for answer. I'm not a subwoofer expert (yet!) 😅
I was asking because I was looking at the FR of the 1960 1s that starts rolling off at about 45hz and the bigger HT1510 II at about 40hz...
Would the HT1205 II roll off at about the same frequencies?
Shouldn't a subwoofer ideally start to roll off at 20hz ?
@@1337sim1 hop in the free discord bro, that way you can postup some pics or dimensions of your room and we can find out what you're trying to accomplish and make the best recommendation.
I have two of these, replacing four of the older model, and I totally agree with everything you said. I am absolutely delighted with every facet of the new model.
This is the very dilemma I’m having right now is Rel is closing out the 1205 v1s at $449.99 each and was thinking of getting 4 like you have. But you and Nemo both really like the newer versions.
@jglaserbot At the price, you can get the older model now,they are an absolute steal. The new model is an improvement, but you can't ignore the bargain price of the old model. You will be knocked out with four of the old models.
You replaced 4 HT1205 MKi with 2 MKII’s? How did that go with output? I have a pair of MKi’s now and contemplating getting the 1510 and sticking with the 12 MKI’s to have 3 total. Though I can get 2 1205 MKII’s for the price of a single 1510, though I am not sure I will notice much of a difference. My room is 20x15
@@guillermomartin8248 Get the 1510, keep the 1205's. You will be delighted with the result.
Solid review bro! You are just the best at these sub reviews! Such a good point between the TX and HT series…I have all TXs but looking into the HT series more :)
I appreciate that!
Very nice review (as always) my friend. I have the first edition. But damn, this one really is beautiful. REL is definitely on a roll. Mr. Hunter knows what he's doing. And my god, the new bigguns are gorgeous. Get some of those in so we can drool.
I have the ht1205 and it's a damn good sub. Good solid review. 👌🏿
Is it appropriate to get this sub for a 2-channel music-only system?
Would love to see a review of the HT1003 MKII. I liked that they toned down on the Rel logos.
I've just got one and it's fantastic I had a Rel q250e I think years ago and it's much better. However the gloss finish is daft for people with projection systems and light controlled rooms as it's reflective properties are quite distracting and many will end up covering the gloss with something less reflective. Great vid
I have the MK1 and it was/is my first “higher end” subwoofer, and it literally changed my perspective of what bass and subwoofers are supposed to sound like, absolutely incredible! Now I really really want the Mk2…just need to sell my first gen 1205
honestly bro I love the MK2 but I love the MK1 also. Just save money and keep what you got!
You would be much better off buying a second mk1!!!!
Great video and so true. I've owned RELs since the Stadium III. They have been so far ahead of anything I've heard anything that comes close compared to competition during their production and changes. I still have the Stadium III in Cherry and am looking for a match for one of my systems. They always make everything sound better and not just bass and no thumper but visceral.
Great job bro!
When you have time look into Airmotiv XS15 Subwoofer just came out. I’m getting one but I would love to see you review one of those sub 10,12,15in. 😎👍
I probably wont review the XS15 but I do have a pair of the XS8 here.
@@NemoPropaganda that’s cool it anyway I just needed help with the settings on the amp. Lol 😂
I should get my in 2 to 3 day that way it gives you time for your video to come out. 😎👍
My 1205 Mk II is on the way. I took advantage of their sale going on now🙂. The purchase was based on its size and your recommendation. So excited for the new toy.🎉
Good choice!
I have the HT-1003 and I love it, thinking of upgrading to the MK II at some point.
Great review as always! I'm looking to upgrade my movie watching and some music playing setup from a smaller wallmounted sub. I was leaning to this REL but can get the JL Audio D-110 for the same price. Which would you recommend?
that's a tough one, the D110 is an absolute monster. If you enjoy bass that is slightly more aggressive and would like to have a more compact subwoofer the JL D110 is crazy good.
This looks to be a solid choice for the picky ht and music enthusiast. One consideration is that the tx range is currently $200 off in US. Overall I feel like you cannot go wrong with rel.
Great video! Thanks! As always, very informative.
As I asked you before, I will do it again with this sub. :-)
I'm still evaluating the different options to buy a pair and I think Rythmik's closer competitors for the HT1205 MkII could be the L12 at around $650 and the F12-400 at around $880.
Besides their different specs and connection options, how would you describe the differences in SQ between the HT1205 MkII and these Rythimic subs?
I'm not sure if you have tried the F12-400, but maybe you can share with us the differences with the L12.
Thank you!!!
it's been a long time now since I've heard the L12, I believe the two would be fairly competative with eachother in terms of SQ. As far as the F12-400 I have not heard it, all i can tell you is my F12SE is an upgrade compared to the 1205 MK2.
A few months back I bought the MK I last fall while they were on sale for $550 from REL and what a steal right! Now I know why, here comes the MK II. I wish I had new MK IIs but I still feel blessed to have my sub 😁
The MK1 is amazing bro, you did good, enjoy it :)
German to 544euro. Rel Ht1205 mk1.
Love it. Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions then addressing them in the video 👌
I'll try and do it more often :)
Thanks man.. I got the 1205 MK1 based on your video of it and other reviews I read and I'm loving it.
excellent choice!
I just got an email from REL linking to this review. Congrats Nemo!
hey what's my man, thank you for leaving a comment :)
Great review! I have two RSL Speedwoofer 10s and am thinking about test driving two of the RELs. I like the Speedwoofers quite a bit, but am wondering if the difference in quality will be worth the extra bucks. I understand that there is no substitute for personal experience, but I'm pretty sure you have an opinion on this. My media consumption is 75% movies (uncompressed on disc) and 25% music (mp3s). I have three Magnat Cinema Ultra 100-THX for my LCR, which I love, but they only play down to 80Hz. So, a great subwoofer is important. Thanks!
the 1205 mk2 is gonna give you quicker transients and more nuance detail in the bass region, it's up to you if that's worth the trade off & higher price. The RSL 10s being vented will have more force down low and more raw output.
Great review as usual!
Would you say 1205 MK2 is better for music than MK1 is?
1205 MK2 is better overall for any usage.
Guys don't even hesitate for even blind buy, i sold my svs sb 1000 pro and got that one blind buy (only watched this review). Sb 1000 pro was great entry level subwoofer for music but THIS is next or 2 levels higher. Movies? no problem and dont be fooled that this is sealed not ported. On half volume on the sub this bad boy will give u what u need at least in small room like mine 11m2. The bass quality and start stop behavior is unreal, one thing i noticed that REL dont bleed on mid range like svs. Even if my svs was cut off on 100 hz with 18db slope i was able to hear a little lower mid range from svs? Now i got crossover on REL about 110-120hz because my main speakers have weak bass and it sonds great no mid range bleed !!! In Poland svs sb 1000 pro and this REL got 300$ diffrience in price (i can see on amazon US is same ). Is it worth 900$? YES,YES and YES !!!! I use it with KEF q100 and NAD 326 BEE amp but cannot wait to get new bookshelfs and fire up them with this sub !!! @NemoPropaganda recommends "on a budget" at least for EDM Dynaudio emmit 10 or Polk R100 (or emmit 20 and r200 a little bigger).
Hi Nemo, awesome review!! I have 2 x HT 1205 MK1 that were in a home theatre set up but decided to use them in a 2 channel setup in another room. Now I am looking at purchasing another 2 subwoofers. My dilemma is, should I purchase 2 x HT1205 MK11 for my home theatre room and keep the MK1's for the 2 channel setup or purchase the HT1003 MK11 for the 2 channel setup and move the HT1205 MK1's back into the theatre room?
no way I can help with that brother, both options are good, it just comes down to which system you want to upgrade. personally I'm more of a music customer so I'd upgrade the stereo room first but that's just me. You may prefer adding the 1205 MK2 pair to the theater first, you can always sell your 1205 MK1 pair later to fund an upgrade for the stereo. You have many options :)
@@NemoPropaganda thank you 😊
Your reviews are so so good mate! You are on top of almost everyone I heard !
How much better Rel 7TX is on music than ht1205 if you listen to music at 75 to 80 DB!
Cheers
depends on the rest of your equipment, both subs do well at low volumes, the larger 1205 is going to extend lower while the smaller T7X is going to give you a little better tone & texture.
Your reviews are life savers, thank you! If I prefer a more mellow (but articulate), less boomy bass might I be better off with the HT1205 MK1 vs. the MK2? The setup would be used maybe 70/30 home theater/music in a large, 600sqft room.
Hi Brian, neither one is boomy, the MK2 just has a little more strength to its sound, a little more definition, everything most people like about bass the new MK2 does just a little better, but if you can find the old version on sale and want to save a couple bucks its absolutely a great option.
@@NemoPropaganda Hey man, how would you compare the new 1205 mkii to the Rythmik L12s?
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 L12 continues to be an absolute bargain at its price and impossible to beat for the money. It will extend lower than the 1205 MK2, it has been some time since I have heard the L12 so I can't say too much more then that. Both have great sound quality but the L12 digs deeper.
@@NemoPropaganda Haha man, they hit a home run with the L12. I mean it isn't cheap by any standards, but you get a top of the line sub for 600, with svs you have to spend like 2k+ for something decent.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 SVS is really good too just a very different sound, I made a video about it awhile back if you want to see my thoughts: ua-cam.com/video/rEz03XkcslI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NemoPropaganda
Thanks for the review. The HT1003 MKII review coming as tossing up between the two??
I don't know I'm pretty busy rn but the 1003 v2 and 1205 v2 are damn near identical, only difference is what comes with size, slightly smaller sense of scale, slightly less extension, and less output for the 1003 MK2, as far as SQ goes both are fantastic.
Excellent review, very honest and open about them. Do you plan on doing a 1003 mkII review? Currently looking at that model.
Yes! I have one here right now :)
Hi Nemo,
which would you choose : HT/1205 Mk2 or T/9X ?
80% home theater/20% music
room: approx. 40 square meter(430 square feet)
(Quadral Ascent 80LE fronts, Ascent 10LE center, Phase 16 bi-dipole rears and Denon AVR-X3500H)
1205 MK2 for sure.
Yes, I'm leaning towards the 1205 mk2, but a sale price has me confused, the T/9X would be only $100 more expensive. But I don't think about it anymore, I order the 1205 mk2 🤤.
Thank you for your answer and your videos! 🙏
@@tomih2554 You can get the 1205 VI for around $400 now...with full warranty.
Hi Nemo,
Thanks for another fine review. My new REL HT/1003 MK11 stopped working...not sure why. Any ideas to remedy this 'no sound' issue?
that happened to me one time with my JL D110 and it turned out to be a bad RCA cable so definately rule out the possibility of a cable or the amp being the issue, after that you gotta contact REL or the dealer for service if it really is the sub.
If it were strictly to be used for home theater, would you still prefer this REL over the Arendal and SVS you discussed?
Yes.
Hi NP, I'm currently running 2 T/5x with a pair of Cornwall IV's. I'm looking for more bottom, thinking about the T/9x, need a pair, running mono blocks, vinyl and CD only. Please advise. Great reviews, seen most of them!
if you love the sound of your 5x and want more of everything the 9x is the logical upgrade. If you're willing to give up some of the rich tone and nuanced detail in exchange for extension & output the 1205 or 1003 V2 is also a great option.
@@NemoPropaganda Many thanks, T/9x it will be!
Hello again Nemo!Great Video as always! What subwoofer you suggest for 30m² (322ft²) room 60/40% movies- music and some games maybe. REl 1205 mk1 i take this here for 880euros or Arendal 1961 900 euros.Thank you!
I would take the 1961 1s over the 1205 MK1 for sure because the 1961 has much better build quality and for you they are almost the same price. Here in the US the 1205 MK1 was $250 cheaper than 1961 so it made sense but if they are almost the same price for sure get the 1961 1S instead.
Thank you fir the video, I’m just deliberating which Rel sub to add to my existing Rel Serie S2 that I’ve had for a few years now and is still going strong, I mainly watch movies and feel I have plenty of Bass with the S2, but it’s lacking a little with music, I was thinking of adding the Tx7 as its main,y music that I need reinforcing with a second Sub, but this also has to be a contender, I would be interested to hear your thoughts?
I am not familiar with the S2, I suggest you reach out to REL and see what they have to say about it. They will be able to make a recommendation much better than I can as they have more experience with various room sizes and their own models.
Awesome review on the ht 1205 Mk2 you did mention you have the ht1003 Mk2 in house how soon will you be reviewing the Ht1003
Thanks Percy
Hi Percy, will probably sit down to film a video this weekend and have it posted in about 2 weeks if I don't get too busy. The 1003 is very similar though, if you like everything I said about the 1205 V2 and you want that just in a smaller package that's what the 1003 V2 does :) Hope that helps.
Thanks for the response and suggestions awesome
Great video. I have a 1205 that I bought after watching your original video a while ago and use it in my living room for home theater. Now thinking about buying another one (or a mk2) and swapping them in for 2 SB1000 Pros that I use in my 2 channel setup. The SVS will get moved to living room. Do you think this will be a worthwhile upgrade for my 2-channel music system? And what cables do you recommend for a 40’ cable run from preamp to subwoofer? I use high level speaker connection to the SVS subs today but would need to go low level RCA for the RELs. Thanks for all you do!
the svs sb1000 pro is my favorite svs subwoofer and I think its really fantastic. The 1205 has a slightly larger cabinet and is a little quicker with its transient resposne so it should sound cleaner in the music system. As far as cable runs for 40+ft I wouldn't really know as 6ft is the longest I use. I'd ask in the free discord, there are a few guys in there that have to have longer cable runs.
I would run RG6 for that length. When I did home installs, we used that alot. It has a wider bandwidth than you'll ever need as well as excellent shielding.
Thank you for great content! Have you released the review of the HT 1003 MKII yet? : )
Cheers
not yet bro, soon though!
Thanks for this review; like always, you nailed it. I'm about placing an order for subwoofers, speakers and AV receiver for Christmas, but I'm still trying to finalise on subwoofer brand; so, please help me out...
I've been tilting towards the new RSL 10s mkll largely because of your review, but now I wonder how 2 RSL 10s mkll stark up against 1 REL you just reviewed..
Please i need, like always, your straight-up advice or recommendation.
Thanks.
The dual RSL subs will play louder than the single HT1205 MKII but the single HT1205 MKII will have better bass fidelity overall. This is a simple quantity vs quality decision. The RSL has great bass fidelity for its price category but the bass fidelity of the HT1205 MK2 is superior.
@@NemoPropaganda
Thanks a lot.
Just wondering have you already come to a decision on what kind of AVR and speakers you going for.
The trouble with the RSL subwoofer is they're usually out of stock and you have to wait months to get it.
Hi Nemo! Nice review as always. Do you think you will have a chance to review monoprice subs? Thanks
I don't think so, I have already found the best vented subwoofers and that is anything made by Rythmik.
Hi Nemo. Thanks for the great review, as always. Do you think this is worth significantly more money than the original? My local hi-fi store has the original for £449 on clearance, whereas the MKII is going for £849.
value is personal, both are worth it.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. I've gone ahead and ordered the original for £449, I'm sure I'll be happy with it!
@@andrewmoore4629 excellent choice!
Can you stack these subs? Also I’m trying to decide on either 2 of the REL 1205 mkII, one of RELs 1510 predator II, or one KEF KF92. It’s for a system that’s 50/50 on music and home theater. My budget is around $2000, what sub would you recommend?
You can stack the 1510 yes but not the 1205. As far as the KEF vs the 1510 here is a comparison from my Discord: The KF92 is always going to come down to this: if it's output is sufficient for the room it's hard to find a better theater sub regardless of the size. If the output is not sufficient then generally speaking nearly anything larger will be preferable. The 1510 is substantially larger and should have considerably more headroom at all frequencies as well as a larger sense of scale. As far as musical performance I'm actually going to give a slight edge to the REL 1510 as it's leading edges are a little more well defined while the KF92 has more of a softness to its leading edges. Lastly the 1510 has a bit of a heavier tone to it while the KF92 has a slightly lighter tone by direct comparison. If KF92 is between SPL & SQ the 1510 is just a hair over towards the SPL side only due to it's heavier presentation. All other aspects of the 1510 are very SQ. Worth considering is the KF92 employs active DSP meaning as output increases frequency roll off becomes more aggressive while the REL 1510 will be more consistent at higher volumes. Both subs perform well at lower volumes so you certainly can shove a 1510 in a smaller room or a larger room where as KF92 is really for lower volumes or smaller rooms. Hope this helps.
I have been getting migraines with sealed subs for movies. So I sold version 1 of 1205. Rel Subs are well built. Size was perfect but I had to let go of the sub bcos I couldn’t finish the money. Settled for a ported subwoofer.
that's a strange reaction but I'm happy you found a solution so you can continue to enjoy bass :)
Great review!, what would be better for a music/home theater combo : 1x Arendal 1723 1s or 2x HT1205 MKII? room is 12ftx12,25ft with 8ft ceiling using PSB Imagine XB. Thanks
those are two amazing options and you'll be happy with either one. You gotta just ask yourself if you'd rather have dual subs or a single larger sub. Since both options are going to sound fantastic perhaps consider room decor as a tie breaker.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks!, I'll go with the Arendal 1723 1S and who knows, maybe I'll try the REL in the future as well.
@@ragkong great chice either way brother, congrats on getting an awesome sub!
@@NemoPropaganda I have ordered a 1723 1S, but one thing I want to be sure of before they send the sub, do the 1723 1S integrate as well as the REL? If the 1723 1S doesn't and I can hear the subwoofer when set at around 60-70hz then I'm gonna have to get 2 1723's and that gets much more expensive, 3200$ for 2x Arendal 1723 1S vs around 2200$ for 2x REL 1205 mk2 here in Norway
@@ragkong hard to answer that question, it's going to depend on your room, rest of your system, and your personal setup skills. The 1723 1S is one of the better integrating subs out there, everyone I know that owns one loves it and was able to get it dialed in perfectly.
very nice review. thanks. Question, between Rel HT1205 MKII and Rythmik LV12M, which one you recommend for a 16x14 room. I am 70% theater and 30% music. And I like deep bass.
Hi Tanvir, I have not heard the LV12M but the LV12M is larger and vented. Based on user feedback from my discord I believe the LV12M being larger and vented will play louder and have a stronger bottom end.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks Nemo. So under $1000 (maybe under $800) which one will you recommend over RL HT1205 MKII?
@@justlisten1 i have not heard the LV12m so I can't make a recommendation either way. These two brands make very good subwoofers, I think you will be happy either way. A user in my discord has a pair of LV12M and he made a mini review for them if you want to check that out and ask his opinon :)
@@NemoPropaganda hi Nemo. I am down to REL 1205 MKII or Rythmik L12 for a 14x16 room. I am thinking a pair. which one you recommend?
@@justlisten1 oh man that's a really hard decision, you have narrowed down your choices to two excellent subwoofers. I don't really know if I can be helpful here because I like both subwoofers a lot. Usually in this scenario I suggest you choose based on which subwoofer will look best in your room. Both brands are obsessed with having very good transient respose, great note to note distinction, and fantastic bass fidelity. The biggest difference in sound here is the L12 sounds a little warmer and the 1205 MK2 has a stronger leading edge to its attack.
Mr. Nemo,
I know you compared the Rel to the Rythmik F12, but how does it fare against the L12? The Rel is on sale now for close to the cost of the L12, which I currently own. I mainly use it for music and am looking for something that is nimble and detailed, thanks
I like both subs a lot but I do not feel the 1205 MK2 is an upgrade over the L12 or vice versa, they do sound a little different with the L12 sounding warmer while the 1205 MK2 sounds more dry by direct comparison but they both produce high quality bass and the L12 actually has a bit more extension in it. This is a situation where going manufacturer direct really does save you a few dollars.
Hey man.. lookin to get dual subs for my home theater with kef speakers.. pretty much strictly gaming.. was thinkin 2 t7x or t9x which ones,?? Should I pick something else.. really like the look of the rel especially to match my white kef
games can have some pretty low freq bass, I'd get the larger T9X for sure. I think you already know the T9X is overkill in a gaming rig but it sounds like the aesthetics are a big factor here and I respect that. If I may suggest also consider a pair of KC62 in white. But if you can fit something bigger a single Arendal 1723 1S would be epic and they come in gloss white. I used one while playing Mass Effect 3 LE and it was awesome! Maybe hop in my free discord and post some pics so we can see what kind of room you're working with: discord.gg/nemopropaganda
@@NemoPropaganda thanks so much man will do
for 70 -30 music/movie application would you suggest 2 T9x or 2 1205mkii.... how much of a step down is the 1205 to the T9x?
this video should be helpful: ua-cam.com/video/T3ww_RVfvZI/v-deo.htmlsi=aiE2-_SW-ilXLSGl
I just looked at the Rel HT1205 MkII in The Netherlands and it goes for 1200 euro. Quite a steep increase in price from last year.
How does it compare to it's big brother the 1510? Is it cleaner than the 1510?
both subs sonically sound identical, both are fast, clean, and clear. 1510 extends lower, plays louder, and has much more authority down low due to its size.
On a scale of 1-10, how does it compare to the S/510? I have the S/510, but would like a sub a little smaller to place in corners. I use the sub for music and movies. So get 2 HT1205 or wait and save for another S/510? (Setup: Wharfedale Elysian 2 and Elysian Center, Rotel RAP 1580 MK2, Musical Fidelity Nu Vista 600 and Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE dac)
I have not heard the S510 yet, have you tried asking REL directly?
It sees like an odd choice for REL to make the sub wider and take up more floor space but I do agree it looks nicer than the mk1.
I love it!
Great review. Thanks.
Reseller suggested either this or PB 2000 Pro. Most comparisons in comments and in review is to SB 2000 but no to PB 2000.
App for PB makes it easier to have preset for stereo. But still price is higher and seems like HT 1205 is doing fine with music based on this review.
Please help :) In 250 ft2 room which one you suggest where 70% is HT with expected punch for ex. during airplane going over your head:
HT 1205 MKII, PB 2000 Pro or dual HT 1003 MKII.
70% HT? The PB2000 pro will have a much stronger and fuller bottom end for theater use and the REL will sound better with music, since you are 70% theater go for the PB2000 pro.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot.
Hey Nemo, I’m choosing between a first gen ht 1205 on sale, vs a rsl speedwoofer mk2. For home theater mainly, and music, in a smallish room. What would you suggest?
The 1205 MK1 takes an edge with better speed/fidelity and the RSL will play louder and have more authority down low. Both are really great options at their current prices. I think you will be happy with either one give each is priced very well for what it brings to the table. Personally I'd take the 1205 MK1 because I don't need the output of the RSL and would rather have a bit better transient response of the seaeld sub.
Thanks Nemo, I appreciate it!
Thank for sharing your thoughts and experience with this sub and the older version. Rel is now closing out the HT1205 v1s at $449.99 each. My question is I have been originally saving up for the HT1510 as I have a really big space 44’x14’ w/ 7.5’ ceilings. I currently have $1000 saved and so I’m wondering with the fantastic pricing on the 1205 v1s could I get away with a pair of them or more to fill my room. I’m not looking for huge SPL just something that can blend well with my older Martin Logan Sequel II’s and other ML’s for music and theater. Rel had recommended the S-series but they’re way out of my budget and why I had originally planned on the HT1510.
as much as I love the original 1205 I do not think 2 1205 v1 will equal a single 1510. I think you are doing great saving up and you should continue to be discipline and save. I have a feeling if you get the dual 1205 V1 you always wonder "what if". But you might also be very happy with the pair, it's hard to say but your room is very alrge.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you for your reply. I know that multiple subs are usually better than one sub as you can balance the room more effectively, so I also thought that 4 of the 1205s could work and I’d still be under what a single 1510 would be. IDK maybe I’m just tempted by a great deal.
@@jglaserbot if you have the ability to properly integrate 4x subwoofers for sure do that! That would be really cool but you'll need to make sure your timing is perfect.
@@NemoPropaganda yeah I’d be using a mini dsp 2x4 and REW to set the subs and then Anthem’s ARC to fine tune them.
@@jglaserbot sounds like a cool project!!!
I'm looking at adding two subs to my system with Von Schweikert VR4 jr's. Mostly music but movies too. Am looking at SVS SB3000's or REL HT1205 MKII. Which would you recommend?
the SB3000 has a more aggressive & heavy tone to it plus that extra inch means it can play louder which makes it killer for movies while the 1205 MK2 has a lighter tone, quicker transients, and better handeling of delicate passages. Both are loved by many but personally I don't like my bass to be too heavy so I prefer the 1205 MK2 however there certainly are those that feel bass should be heavy & dominant and those people may prefer the SB3000.
Hi bro.
Just wanted to ask one small comparison if you can clarify?
1 1510 or 2. 1205 mark 2s
As the price is also very comparable.
Planning to replace my SVS 2000 Pro.
I have the Revel concerta to f36 towers.
Hey bro that is a very hard question to answer, dual 1205 MKII will have more even bass in the room and sound amazing but a single 1510 will have a much stronger bottom end and a bigger & fuller sense of scale. Both are very capable of awesome music & movie experience it just depends on if you value extension (1510) versus even bass in the room (dual 1205 MKII).
HT1205 1, 2 or Speedwoofer 10S? I have Arcam FMJ 19 receiver and REF Reference 1. I have nice used equipment love the sound just need articulate subtle base with some low end if necessary. Just music.
The speedwoofer is very good but it cannot compete with anything REL makes in terms of sound quality.
Thanks. Is the gen.1 REL going to cut it
@@39chevyman yes the original 1205 is also very good.
Interesting that you didn't notice any issues when pairing a sealed sub (Rel HT) to a passive radiator sub (Tx), since these designs have very different phase behavior around the tuning of the PR.
It's generally not recommended to mix different designs, though I do it myself and couldn't notice any odd behavior. It's still better than a single sub
I actually hate PR subs normally, REL's approach to the design of PR subs is fairly unorthodox and unique, theres a reason their PR subs sound so incredible while most other PR subs just sound like ported subs in a smaller package.
REL actually designed the subs to work together and recommend it for HT. Shane did a video on it where their engineer helped setup.
ua-cam.com/video/4cvsSYHebTc/v-deo.html
I like the looks of the new one a lot better, but I just ordered a pair of the mk1's because of the price (on sale for $449 while they blow out old stock). I think I'm going to be really happy with them, but I've never owned a REL product before. The only thing I'm really worried about is the glossy top piece, I have a feeling I'm going to have to glue on a piece of black velvet over it because or my projector LOL. I'm coming from a single Klipsch R120SW so I have my hopes up that it's going to be a big upgrade. Cheers!
excellent choice! I think you will be very happy :)
@@NemoPropaganda Just got them yesterday. First impressions listening to music while settings things up weren't great, but we threw on Aliens and my god I thought my house was going to fall apart in a few scenes hahaha. Haven't ran DIRAC again to tune my system to the subs, but super happy with my purchase. Now that I think about it, my receiver had the old DIRAC response curves turned on when I was setting things up which might have given me that bad first impression....as it was tuned to a pair of completely different subs.
@@Deadite8593 yeah, keep playing with it, you'll see, it takes most people a few weeks to really dial in a sub.
@@NemoPropaganda Yeah you're right. After spending several hours yesterday I got them more dialed in and now they sound much better all around. Had to decouple them from my tile floor with some iso-feet, and disable my DIRAC eq curve my receiver was applying to my LFE output. Now I'm super impressed with them! Thanks again for making these videos and helping people like me decide where to spend their money when we need to make our dollars count!
Hey Nemo, would you recommend a MK1 for €850 or a MK2 for €1200? I actually like the looks of the MK1 more.
I can't really answer value based questions. Personally I almost always prefer the newest version of something. I did however recently buy the LG C1 instead of the newer C2 though because the C1 was cheaper.
Well of course the newest version is almost always better and prefered. But is the mkII 1,5 times as good as the mkI if you purely look at sound quality? Because I think maximum output of both will be plenty.
@@brianjanssen1993 The performance of a product rarely scales with price in a 1:1 ratio. The "smart choice" or highest value item often times is the more affordable one but affordability is relative. I have both of them here and they're both fantastic, I don't think you can go wrong either way but if you can swing the extra I think its worth it for the aesthetics alone.
@nemo I too use Low Level input with my Rel S2, as my integrated amp has sub out & the dealer says not to use High Level with this amp. Does the HT1510 crossover & level knobs also have the clicks that u can feel in adjustment of the crossover & gain?
Yes! The new MK2 have the clicky knobs :)
Any consideration reviewing the new Elac subs. Their specs seem pretty serious- they look pretty funky too. Almost Rel HT knock-off territory 🧐
I don't have any relationship with Elac so I'd have to buy it myself or work with a dealer, with my busy schedule that is a bit challenging.
Can I combine this with a MK1? I've had mine for a few years now and I would like to add a 2nd sub.
Thanks so much, love your channel!
Hi bro, yes, you can combine the two (i still have my old one too!) but keep in mind the new version can play louder so if you push the pair to the absolute limit of extension or output the old version will run out of output sooner than the new version.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks man
Got 2 Rel S/510 and 2 PB13 ultra ... so replacing the SVS with the HT is a sort of side/downgrade? Better stay at S-series? 😂
I've never herad the older PB13 but the new HT range is available for demo at many dealers, I'd just go and have a listen.
Just ordered one I'm really excited. It might be overkill for me but got it new for £450 so couldn't resist. Remember I was looking at the b&w asw608 remember
that's a great price! enjoy!!!
@@NemoPropaganda will do I'm getting it in a few days and will give an update once I run them in a little
Im waiting @@Birmingham_racing
A little off topic. I play 80% music/20%movies with SVS SB3000. Sit in sweet spot/no other listeners in my Man Cave. I have all the power I need and actually have to turn it down. For the purpose of SQ only is there any advantage of going duals?
yes, with duals the bass will be more even but its something you only notice when you go back to a single sub so its one of those things where I'd say if you're happy with the single sub keep it that way. Once you open the door to duals you'll initially think it's not that big of a difference until you turn one off and then you wonder how you lived with a single sub for so long. These days I'm airing on the side of "save your money, we're heading into a recession" on a lot of my advice. You have 1 sub, you're happy, no need to open the door of dual subs right now ya know :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks, actually duals really don't fit in my space. Have you ever tried running a sub near field? I talked to a head tech guy at JL and he said a sub used coffee table distance solves the problem of room interaction and has physical body shaking feel with a smaller sub.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz yes, my KC62 in my living room is right behind my couch so about 4ft away from me no matter which spot I sit in. I also tested the REL T5X pair flanking my listening chair. I encourage everyone to experiment with such placement as it can really sound great in certain rooms and it's free to test, you might need to order a long cable to try out some locations but a 25ft rca can be found on Amazon for very cheap or you can use something like the REL HT Air. That's what I use in my living room.
@@NemoPropaganda Maybe you should stress this more on your channel? Room treatments for bass/room modes not a consideration/sub crawl for best sub position not necessary. For music only a near field 10" or smaller sub is more than enough output and I believe there would be no need for duals if set up is for one listener in the sweet spot. What benefit if any did you get from a pair of T5X at such close distance? Not sure if these benefits also apply to home theatre applications?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz well, nobody "needs" dual subs :). Running duals will generally sound better though. It's easy to test if you currently have a single sub put it on the opposite side of the room and you'll be shocked how different it sounds and how obviously bass is missing from where it normally comes from. The brain starts to ignore the localization but its still there with a single sub, we just get used to it. Dual subs fix that. But not everyone can have dual subs due the cost or room itself. As far as nearfield sub placement I just did it for fun to see if it would work, I only listened to a few songs and then put the subs back on the main wall except upstairs where my KC62 sits behind the couch but that's a casual TV setup.
Hi Nemo and everyone, any thoughts between the new REL HT-1205 MKII and SVS SB-3000? Home Theatre and Music Listening usage. Dual subs for sure. Thanks.
The SB3000 is a 13" so it should play louder though I would prefer the bass fidelity of the 1205 MKII. The question for you is do you want the extra output or the better fidelity?
That’s a very good question. Thanks brother. I appreciate your honesty in your videos and response to my question. 🤟🏾✌🏾
Best Buy has the Mark I on sale for $599, at that price point, would you still recommend the Mark II over it?
I've gotten that question a lot lately, that's a tough question. So I love the MK1 a lot and $599 is a really good price. I'd say it comes down to how much you value that extra $250 and what you think about the aesthetics of the MK1 vs MK2. Either one is really good for its respective price.
Mark 1 is $450 now. 😳
@@Slickman2006 damn, its a no brainer at that point!
I have an off topic question for you and other hifi reviewers, I see a lot of reviews of the bluesound node (all different versions) but no one has reviewed the bluesound duo d30 2.1 speakers and the real question here is why, do people not know about them, are they not worth it ect?
Their full retail price on Amazon is 995 and the white ones (last one) are on sale for 650..
I have emailed Lenbrook Group (NAD, Bluesound, PSB) numerous times requesting review samples, they simply do not reply. I'm not going to buy something I don't want to own just to review it. That's my answer.
H Nemo,
I have a question for you that is a bit off the subject of your video.
I am experiencing severe listening fatigue after about an hour of listening in 2 channels.
The problem is in the mid-high & high registers. Vocals sound abrasive & 'in my face'
This confounds me because I'm using a fine PrimaLuna Integrated Tube amp. My Marantz pre/pro acts as the first preamp that feeds a signal to the Tube amp. I had a friend over & he said the higher frequencies "sounded tinny"
Any ideas about what may be causing the harshness in the higher frequency range once the Marantz preamp is set any higher than
60 dB?
Being a bit of an audio snob, I believe the mass produced Marantz pre/pro may be the culprit...or perhaps my Totem Accoustic Tribe Tower Speakers are just too lively & forward for. my taste now that I'm in my 60's...perhaps I need warmer sounding set of speakers. IDK
Thanks,
David
Hard to say, I have not used totem speakers myself, I would for sure take the marantz out of the chain to rule that out.
Thanks for your quick reply. Yeah, I already decided to use the Marantz for 9.2 surround sound movie nights.
I purchased some kick ass gear for my new solid state2 chanel system.
I purchased a new Parasound Halo P6 Preamp/DAC, a used classic Parasound. a23
( John Curl Designed) power amplifier & a nice used,long pair of Transparent Audio BiWire cables.
The new gear shipped today.
Once my new-to-me is set up...I hope to ferret out what part of my other components are causing the shrill sound in the mid-high & high frequencie.
The problem is definitely not with my Parasound Halo gear. There s I understand is on the warm side of neutral.
@@davidstein9129 could be the room, a bad cable, etc... just use the process of elimination and take your time. You'll get to it eventually. Chasing down gremlins can take time. Just remember it's all supposed to be fun :)
Nemo,
I certainly certainly certainly don't want 'to get ahead of my skies' but if it turns out that my Totem speakers are too bright, forward for my taste, can you recommend a few tower speakers that are on the warm side of neutral.
Magnepan speakers come to mind but I found their sound to be too warm, lacking a pin point soundstage,amorphous.& a big blob of huge sound.
I believe the HT series can utilize the Rel high level connection via their Airship 2 wireless product plus there are various speaker to line level adaptors available if someone wants or needs to use a sub that does not have speaker level inputs.
hey what's up Mike, I'm not sure about that, the video REL posted yesterday only mentions 1510 and the website doesn't list 1205 or 1003 MK2 on the Airship2 page but it does list the 1510. Could have somethign to do with the XLR, I'm not sure.
@@NemoPropaganda Best Buy has the original right now for $450 and the 1003 for $350 if anyone is interested.
@@madcrabber1113 thats a hell of a deal!!
thinking about a pair of REL t7x for a room of 170sq ft what floor stander or book shelf would you pair with under 5K im 80% music 20% theater
easily buchardt s400 mk2 would be my choice.
How are people setting the crossover on the rel? On the reciever or the rel? Rel just released a post saying set.amp to 200 htz and set the crossover on the rel. If your amp can only set 80 100 120 150 and 200 htz would it be best to set 200 htz om the amp and use the rel crossover. I know denon and other amps have more crossover settings on the amp so what is best?
experiment and find out but unless you have a fairly high end AVR the crossover in the REL is most likely better so set your AVR crossover to off or as high as possible then dial in the sub from the plate amps crossover just like REL says.
@@NemoPropaganda thats what I thought. Maybe someone could do a side by side comparison. People assume receievers manage it better but I'm not so sure. Will try. Thanks for the eeply
Would you say the mark one is better than an svs sv2000 pro?
The Mark 1 is £450 in the UK which is half the price of the svs so I could get two of these instead of one svs
no, not better, just different. The 2000 pro can play louder and has a heavier tone that's a littl emore aggressive. The 1205 V1 has a lighter tone so its less intrusive and sounds quicker with its transients.
Does anyone know if the original versions will remain available or will they be discontinued? In Australia I can buy 2x original HT1003s for $60 more than a single HT1003 mkii. Tossing up between these 2 options. Looking forward to the upcoming review of the 1003
I would imagine the old version will be discontinued once existing inventory is sold. I have not heard the old 1003 but when speaking to REL they felt the 1003 had the biggest imrpovement from MK1 to MK2 and I am very impressed with the 1003 MK2 so far, it sounds exactly like the 1205 MK2 just a samller sense of scale which is normal when we go down to a smaller size.
@@NemoPropaganda interesting if the improvement was mostly in the output or other area as well. I have read HT/1003 mkII sounds twice as loud compared to the previous version. And 1205 mkII around 50% louder.
Considering that the original HT/1003 already sounds fantastic I would go for a pair instead of one mkII since the specs are the same. It's just a great limited opportunity to buy 2 instead of one for almost the same price.
REL confirmed via email that the mk1 is no longer made.
Hi
Is it worth it for me to spend money to upgrade to the HT1205 MkII if I already own the HT1205, in terms of sound quality?
honestly bro it's like this, the new MK2 is better, it plays louder, has more authority and a little more fidelity. But the old one is awesome too. Unless you need more output I'd keep what you have. The original 1205 is great! I still have mine.
@@NemoPropaganda Your honesty and sincerity make people feel reassured and trustworthy. Please continue on this path! Thank you for being willing to take the time to respond to my messages!
@@Kyle-xz3os thanks man, I'm always happy to help if possible.
Rel HT1205 mk2 vs JL audio D110. In my place both are sold at almost same price. Which one you would suggest?
I like both, the D110 is very small so get that if size is a concern. The 1205 V2 being larger will have a larger sense of scale so if you size is not an issue I'd go for that. Both are really good.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you. Size is not a concern. Out of two, which would lean towards SQ is the question in my mind. I expect my focal 926 to seamlessly blend with sub.
@@PremKumar-vt1hq 1205 V2 for sure. JL is SPL.
Hello, I would like to know your opinion, Rel Acoustics HT/1205 vs SPEEDWOOFER 10S MKII
HT1205 MK2 has much better sound quality overall.
Ok thanks 👍
I really want a sub that is as good with movies as the 1205 mk1 but can simultaneously take hi-level input for supporting the front L and R speakers. The 1510 does it via wireless, but a lot more expensive, and possibly overkill for my 6x4m room.
what you want exists but you don't want to spend the money which is a common thing we all run into, why not just buy another 1205 instead?
@@NemoPropaganda yeah I was mulling over a 1205 mk 2 (just sold a mk1). Might just save up for a s510. I really want simultaneous high level and lfe input.
I would like to see an analysis of the starke sound brand of the SW12 and SW15 models against this new REL
you asked me the same question on my RSL Speedwoofer video and I gave you a VERY clear answer. If you ask me to review Starke one more time I'm going to block you.
Great review. I currently have a SVS SB1000 Pro. Would this sub work together with the SVS in a home theatre setup?
I like the SB1000 Pro a lot, if you already have 1 I'd just add a second one bro :)
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for a quick response. I am so tempted to go and get the REL based your review here. Hahah
@@zackaza1 ahaha, you can if you want to but then you will have 2 mismatched subs, I think a second SB1000 Pro will sound better than having 2 mismatched subs. SVS uses DSP, REL does not, so it will be really hard to get the 2 subwoofers to sound good together.
Sell the PB 1000 pro and get 2 Rels. That’s if you want the best sounding bass for the money you are spending. Ok it does not go as low as PB1000 but think about this 20hz and above in movies is about 85% and below 20hz is about roughly 15%. My advise to all the people that wants to buy subwoofers that go low below 19hz is that unless its super expensive high end subwoofer it will sound boomy and muddy. That is the trade off when you buy a sub that is budget friendly and goes low. Plus I hate ported subs, way too muddy and slow.
Have you thought about paradigm defience X series subs with their A R T technology
they don't respond to my emails.
@@NemoPropaganda oh, I guess their loss, keep up with the awesome reviews
I have a stupid question, how are you contenting them to the amp if it doesn't have rca inputs? Lets say you have an amp like the yamaha A-670 which only has rca sub out
huh? It has LR RCA inputs. Maybe u misheard me.
Yes you are right.. In the picture in their site it looked like banana plugs.. Thx
Love my 1205 but the way you present the mkii makes it impossible not to audition. If you ever feel the need to go to a little excess, I’d love to hear a comparison between the new 1510 and the svs sb4000 :)
not really interested in the SB4000, at 117 lbs its too heavy for me.
Hi, Can I use this subwoofer with a pair of ZU Audio DK with an efficiency of 97 db using the High Level Input? My concern is that since my Zu Audios do not need a high volume level to drive them because of their efficiency.
No! This subwoofer does not accept high level input. Contact Rythmik and ask them about their high efficiency speaker option and make sure yout ell them you need high level also. That's the only brand I know of that can accomodate you, expect to pay around $1200.
it would be interesting to see measurements between mki and mk2.
using a very crude method of having a dB meter set to C weighted and 2ft from the driver I measured the new 1003 MK2 to have nearly as much output at 30hz (within 2dB) as the old 1205 Mk1 so REL's claim that output has been inmproved considerably is very real.
Hey Nemo, thanks for commenting on tone vs the t7x and f12se. How would you describe the tone between the t7x vs f12se. Same level of heft and richness?
putting the size difference aside and the difference that brings between an 8" and a 12" the tonal difference between the T7X and F12SE is the T7X plays a bit warmer and the F12SE plays a bit more accurate by direct comparison. Both are top tier subwoofers in terms of sound quality.
Wow, this is the first Rel subwoofer I've looked at and thought "Huh, this looks like something that could compete with some of the higher quality ID for value". It sits right between the Rythmik L12 and F12 for price and just below the Hsu ULS-15 MK2, all of which are well regarded as good sq subwoofers. Of course I don't think this or the predator will replace my F18 in my home theater (one of which is flat down to like 5hz at the MLP in my theater up to near reference levels), but it's still interesting to see how far Rel has come since I first started looking at them.
I kind of want to review an F18 now lol
@@NemoPropaganda It's a monster. I hear that the FV18 is even more monstrous, but in my room specifically the room gain perfectly matches the rolloff of the F18 to absolutely absurd levels.
@@Woodzyowl0309 theres a guy in my discord with an FV18, it looks super badass! I don't know if my room could handle a sub so large though.
@@NemoPropaganda
No correlation to excessive LF size/capability vis-à-vis modest room size.
@@FOH3663 I don't understand these words.
Hi,can this be paired for stereo purpose with the Rel ht 1205 or it has to be the same version?
Please watch the whole video before leaving a comment.
Hi Nemo can I use the HT 1510 with the HT 1508 in a medium size room 7.1.4 system?
Yes! REL is extremely good at making sure all their subwoofers are highly compatible with one another.
I really curious what do you think about monolith 12in thx ?😊
I'm personally not interested in monolith at this time and feel for $200 more the Rythmik FVX12 is a much better choice.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for responding😊 I understand👍 I just bought it for £559.99 in UK(which is good deal I think), that’s why I was wondering if you just don’t like it😊 I combined it with Svs 1000pro and now testing. Rythmik seems to be difficult to get one here.
@@keepitshema oh yeah, Rythmik is not available in UK :(
Compared to The arendal 1723 1s sub then?.
why? 1723 1s is double the price and the driver has 36.5% more cone area. I'm not doing that ocmparison. 1723 1S should be compared to Predator 1510 and I've already done that comparison multiple times and its listed in the discord FAQ section.
The first thing is to keep the volume at 60 dB after putting my speakers on a 3 inch pedestals
At 60 dB & under, the soundstage starts to cave in.
Thanks Nemo,, 🍻😎🤟
I hate to ask, but here I go. How does this compare to the emotiva rs11. It was 1200, but they lowered it to 850 for Black Friday, then there’s another 10% off promo code. So like 760 or so you can get the rs11.
Hi chris, if your system is theater first the RS11 is a no brainer at that price, it will offer up tremendously more output overall and have a thicker sounding bottom end for killer room rumble effects. The 1205 MK2 certainly takes the edge in transient response but the RS11 is a bit of a monster. Have you seen my RS11 review?
@@NemoPropaganda I have, I’ve watched both reviews, among others, more times then I’d like to admit. I’ve had my eye on the rs11 even at 1200, so 760 is hard to pass. But then now I see how sexy this new REL is, I guess it’s good to have too many good choices. I think I’m going rs11. I listen to music and watch movies on this system, hard to go wrong I guess. Thinks for the reviews, your awesome.
@@cdelapaz5 yeah, REL always makes some of the best looking subs, if you don't need the output of the RS11 the new 1205 MK2 sound awesome, they're both great at the end of the day really :)
What's your opinion on the 1003 mk1 vs the 1205 mk1 for living room home theater?
I never heard the 1003 MK1 but I LOVE the 1003 MK2.
@@NemoPropaganda so I'm looking into upgrading my def tech supercube 2000 sub. Gets loud enough for most of my listening but really dies off after 26-28hz. Not sure which way to go. 1003/1205 mk1/mk2
@@BrokeGuyBBQ if you can afford the MK2 version go for the 1205 MK2, the difference is enough to justify the price for sure. Or if the MK1 1205 is on sale in your region you can grab a pair :)
@@NemoPropaganda what about the 1003mk2 vs the 1205mk1? They are close to the same price
@@BrokeGuyBBQ I like the look of the new 1003 MK2 more than the 1205 MK1 but if you're asking about performance for sure the larger 1205 MK1 will be the easy choice at its current discount price.
Any plans to review the REL S/510?
hopefully one day :)
@@NemoPropaganda I am buying two 🤩
@@MartinHAndersen I support your decision! Hop in our free discord and post some pics!!!!!!
I run a JL audio 10 and a Emotiva xs12 ported and it sounds great together
that's an odd combination but If it sounds good you're winning.
thank you great review
I’ve wondered if they need a 13” version in this line to bridge the gap between the 1205 and the 1510 Predator. Maybe a 1307 or 1308 😅
that could be super cool, like an $1199 option :)
@@NemoPropaganda exactly what I was thinking 🤝