The worst sin of this album is being average or not meeting the expectations. It's not the worst album of the last 13 years as metacritic score says, we all know it. There are far more scandalously bad artists releasing worse music for decades, and they were never roasted this hard. It's just a trend to roast her. People like seeing the downfall of pop stars and they don't want to miss this opportunity with Katy Perry. What I wonder is if she recovers from this. Some artists manage to maintain their pop icon status despite major failures. I wonder if she is one of those.
worse albums were released in last 13 years that's for sure, it's just that Katy Perry's album got more reviews and attention. But when it comes to releases from mainstream artists, this is up there for me alongside Charlie Puth's Nine Track Mind and Meghan Trainor albums as some of the worst albums that i've heard in a while
Yall are all forgetting the dr luke of it all. That matters and it contributes towards the reactions of this album. Otherwise it wouldve been another ignored campaign for her as smile was in 2020
@@vanillac0keh3adi think that criticism is justified. but i also think that it makes “virtuous” people feel justified about beating the dead horse that is katy perry. but the general public is very selective on when to care about that stuff. if katy was someone who was still in her prime and not post-flop era, she would’ve been forgiven or at the very least not received this level of vitriol on a mainstream level. don’t forget people like doja cat have gotten luke on the charts in 2020 and she certainly still has a career. if they have a dedicated fan base or are still making hits, they’re forgiven. unfortunately for katy, she doesn’t have either.
@@megan-mr9vk i really cant stand that argument you and every katy fan makes because its not true. Doja cat, kim petras, nicki minaj, etc have all received criticism for working with luke. Its not only directed at katy. I believe it has affected kim petras career the most, its been a stain on her prospective success. The difference with nicki is that her fanbase is vitriolic themselves and do not care nor allow for criticism of her to take place. Doja cat is the only one who actually is contractually obligated to work with luke as she signed a contract under him before kesha came forward with her allegations. Doja has publicly criticized dr lukes shadiness and is careful with her words as he is clearly litigious, i could be wrong but i dont think shes even worked with him since say so? At least not on a single. If anything what makes it different for katy as compared to doja and nicki besides what i already mentioned, is that they could honestly care less if they are perceived as good people. Whereas katy is incredibly desperate to be liked and to be number one. Which makes her choice to work with him all the more perplexing. Unlike everyone else thats worked with him in recent years, shes the only one that centers her public image on being “woke”. Thus the hypocrisy is all the more glaring. But like i said, you all keep trying to deflect by stating no one cares when other artists work with him to make katy seem like a victim of the publics hypocrisy but thats a straight up lie and a poor excuse. No.
I think you’re totally right in this analysis overall in the ratings. If I could add though, I’d say that the biggest issue of 143 is that Katy did a lot of this to herself and I think that’s why people are piling on. Sia, also a former pop queen who hit a rough patch creatively and socially, released an album that did poorly this year and I saw not a word about it. Dua Lipa got disappointing numbers with a weak album and she got out relatively unscathed. But Katy waited for her Vegas stint to end, quit American Idol, took out ad after ad after ad on TikTok, and made a powerplay to get back into the upper echelon again. I think most people back in April/May would have expected this to be a big comeback moment for her. My Katy Perry fan friends even thought this was gonna be her Lemonade/folklore. And it’s reheated leftovers of the same stuff she’s always done. Dr Luke allows people to feel morally just in the dogpile to be sure but if the work had been better, it wouldn’t have been in an issue (however unfortunate that is). So yes, people are being unfairly mean but it all comes back to the hubris of how it was presented and marketed that really got her. An “I’m Back” album is such a high-risk, high-reward venture and the hits just HAVE to be there or it’s gonna get destroyed. Taylor did the same with Midnights, Beyoncé did it with Renaissance, Eminem did it with The Death of Slim Shady, and Gaga’s currently doing it with whatever is happening with Harlequin/LG6.5/LG7. There’s precedent for what she did but you cannot put a MASSIVE spotlight on yourself and do “Woman’s World” as the lead single with that corny, thematically incoherent music video. Her label should have scrapped everything when the leak happened and they saw the reactions, but they didn’t and that’s disappointing because I was rooting for her, even though I’ve never been the biggest fan.
The sad thing is I understand why in theory Perry went back to Dr.Luke/Lukasz Gottwald. Luke worked on her 2nd, 3rd and 4th albums, all of which feature her biggest charting hits and helped make her a star. Her 5th album Witness, without Dr.Luke, was a disaster. Her 6th album Smile wasn't much better. So from that angle you can see how Perry went back to Luke, she was successful with Luke, then she failed without Luke, so in theory going back to Luke should bring about success. In theory... In practice this was a terrible decision that risks tainting Perry's legacy, not only because of Dr. Luke but also because its boringly bad, at least Witness was an interesting failure, this is dull and kinda sad.
The only reason why she was successful with Dr Luke in the first place is because Kesha wasn't being chased by the pigs and belting a whistle tone yet. The reason why Katy's attempts failed now is because we live in a post-Praying world where Kesha has been able to successfully reveal the truth about Dr Luke.
I can agree with what you said. The album is not good, but certainly not the worst thing ever created like people have said. It’s just uninspired pop music. I found it very interesting (and a bit alarming) that Katy has received this many lashings and negative comments. Don’t get me wrong, being upset that she decided to work with Dr. Luke is completely justified. And it definitely feels hypocritical of her to release a song called Woman’s World with him knowing what he is accused of. But the comments and reviews for the album feel a little over the top. I’ve seen a multitude of people praying for her downfall long before the release of 143 and celebrating with glee over the fact that the project ended up being bad. Many deemed it a flop album before even listening to it. Like you said, she may be a pop juggernaut but she hasn’t released a solid body of work in years to deserve this response. Nobody is really checking for Katy Perry in 2024. A part of me wonders how the response would differ if the album ended up being good. People tend to have a habit of separating the art from the artist when the music is good and overlooking any controversy, but completely dog piling on them when it’s not.
I have a feeling that whether the new Linkin Park album in November gets praise or condemnation from mainstream critics will reinforce the thesis of this video.
I think we can have a glimpse of what that'll look like once we see how Heavy is the Crown does in any chart or platform, critically and commercially. I personally love this song though. Not as much as Emptiness Machine but still very good
To me, 143 is the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 of music. Something that tried to revive a dead brand after it was put into a downward spiral after something trash from it released (Witness/Tony Hawk: Ride), only to make things worse, and destroy the remains instead.
I don't think that "reviving" Katy's career was really the intention with this record. Katy and we all know that what people have always asked for is a Teenage Dream 2.0, and 143 is very far from that, sonically and lyrically.
As a Katy Kat, 143 was a terrible album with no redeemable songs. I love my disposable pop but Katy just completely dropped the ball here. You really aren't missing much by not covering it.
To me, This is one of those albums where if she didn’t release “Woman’s World” as a single and didn’t announce that Dr Luke was working with her again, it likely would have sold better or at least the backlash wouldn’t have been as bad. Would the Dr Luke curse have still been there if she chose something else? Yes… …But she could have chosen one of the better songs on the album to hype it up first, like “Wonder” or “All The Love” or literally anything else. But instead she and her management unfortunately chose the wrong lead-off single and now… here we are. Say what you will about Smile, at least she picked the right lead single, even if as a whole that album wasn’t good. It’s sad that this one might be the final nail in the coffin for a Katy Redemption. In fairness, it’s absolutely not the worst album of the year considering that Falling In Reverse’s album is MUCH worse (Stay far away from it), but it still is quite a tragic one to me. I do hope that Katy does learn from this mistake at least.
This has been a problem for her since Prism…if she had released By the Grace of God or International Smile as singles, she might have gotten a bit more credibility and the album might have aged better (I consider Roar to be VERY mediocre and Dark Horse to be terrible, to say nothing of This is How We Do…)
@calvinstraveldreams yeah I agree the single choices after Teenage Dream were such a huge issue for her. Prism was a great album but yeah the single choices were poor whether they were successful or not the only good single was Birthday and even that felt like a Teenage Dream leftover (that should've been the first single honestly given the success she's had with those kind of upbeat pop songs). Walking On Air, International Smile and By the Grace of God were more deserving to be hit songs I agree and not just deep cut gems...and yeah since Witness it hasn't gotten better
I kind of agree, if she choose another lead single instead of Woman's World, this album could have slid on by unnoticed like Smile did, quickly becoming forgotten.
Don't blame me. I found "Woman's World" to be as insightful as "Roar." While I accept what Katy Perry does, I never held her to a higher standard or claimed that she dropped off. She's making the same music she ever did and it's maybe why I found the new album to be mostly fine. It wasn't innovative or new, but it was in her lane. She did what she always does and I think you're right in suggesting the blame is less on her failing and more individual perspective.
tbh I can't imagine Fantano in particular played an especially major part in inspiring this video since that guy's never been one to sugarcoat his opinion in order to appease stan culture, this seems to be a lot more pointed at the general discourse around the album in which this became such a universally easy target for people to poke fun at and disparage to the point where even the so-called "professional" review outlets that a platform like Metacritic would count felt safe enough to pan something without the fear of blowback for once, and what THAT really implies
What Katy Perry should have done was taken a break after the Witness album and not released Smile. Then she should have merged the best songs from the Smile album with the best songs off the 143 album to produce a much better album.
It’s so sad seeing her fall this hard. I was the biggest fan in my teen years. My first concert after getting my license was her for the Prism tour. Breaks my heart seeing part of my childhood fade into just a distant memory.
@@BorealicIceberg oh please, I witnessed Geri leaving the Spice Girls AND ‘Nsync going on hiatus so Justin could release a solo record when JC was my favourite…you know nothing of pain
lol she’s still booked at the biggest events in the world and selling sold out shows. she’ll be fine. she has still the possibility to release an amazing album in a few years lol
Justin Timberlake also had this kind of treatment from his latest album tho. majority of the reviews talks about Janet and Britney... not the actual music review.
The big thing I want to take out of this is the take of understanding and incorporating one’s emotions and personal connection to art and criticism. Be it as a way to enforce or give art that’s been heavily panned in a new look. Since that’s what most art started as, making you feel something I mean…it’s the main reason why I love so many critically hated songs or bands. I wish critics WOULD try to be more subjective and emotionally driven since honestly analyzing things in an “objective meter” can get tiresome and occasionally overlook important metacontext that the album is trying to push. I’d talk more about Katy herself and the album but I just don’t care. I liked the singles off teenage dream and prism and have nostalgic for them but even after having her entire career life story told to me by many, I don’t want to get invested just to fit in. Trying to force how I feel just to jump on the pile on doesn’t interest me either. I like this video’s take
I think this was a very interesting and insightful analysis on Katy Perry. As someone who's listened to the album, heres what I think. It's not good. The production is weak, Katy Perry doesn't sound as engaged, alongside with wasted features, and the lyrics are pretty generic. Now, Katy Perry had some truly great hits, but awful deep cuts (look at "Peacock"), but that's always been true. People are going out of the way to cancel her for it, which I always found ridiculous. "WOMAN'S WORLD" was a generally mediocre song with an awful music video, and I get why it's not right making a woman empowerment anthem with Dr. Luke, but let's not act like many female artists don't work with him and don't face backlash. I appreciate you mostly coming to her defense. Even if the album isn't good, do we have to cancel her?
Do those female artists claim they're feminists? (I actually have no idea) I don't really think that's the reason of the backlash either - Margot Robbie and Taylor Swift framed themselves as feminists and working with David O Russell didn't really hurt them. I think it's just an easy excuse, which was not helped by her first single being "Woman's World" and then being awful on top of it. But Kesha definitely has fans, so I can see part of the backlash being genuinely from there. Not the majority tho. It's a bad album, (or at least, bad singles) mixed with we like to tear people apart associated with "everyone else is doing it". I've never cared about Katy Perry either way. But I am also chronically online and on twitter, while I haven't joined the backlash, it'd be very easy to as I see it all the time (and so does everyone who follows mainstream music there). I imagine there are plenty of people who also see it and probably wouldn't be very invested in it, but when it reaches a certain levels, it just kinda becomes the thing to do. Idk tho. This is just to add to the conversation.
I agree that the hate is overdone, like omg... Katy Perry did a flop outdated album? How surprising. My girl can't catch a break since Roar cooled off. She is a 2010s hit single queen... the 2010s are so outdated that the only reason we listen to most of the pop music from that era is teenage nostalgia. She still doesn't deserve the coveted title of "worst female album" on Metacritic, like wtf is that, lmao. Though, I think there's something extra with Katy working with Dr. Luke because: 1) She isn't like other random artists working with the creep; she has a personal story with Kesha. She was closer to that story than a rando like Kim Petras. She also DIDN'T help herself by making that interview, saying that she worked with him because she felt like it. And 2) She tried to push a "feminist" song produced by that guy... like, what? If Woman's World didn’t exist, and instead she tried directly with Lifetimes, it would have flopped, BUT people wouldn’t be this mad. Katy isn’t innocent here; I think she deserves some of the heat. People are overdoing it, but-this could become useful since it might scare people off from working with Dr. Luke, either because of this exaggerated backlash or the fear that the previous hitmaker has lost his way, but never for their morals ahem ahem. So yeah, she’s kind of a sacrificial lamb. She’s just... too easy to hate right now. The hate train is engineered to perfection (unlike that flop Woman's World.) Now, hot take... I kinda hate myself for this, but I find Crush so catchy that I’m considering adding that trash to my workout playlist. I’m a sucker for Europop, lmao. Are the lyrics trash? Is it generic? Hell yeah. It’s also a freaking earworm.
Seeing that THIS album was the one where it felt like everyone woke up about a specific case of abuse is weird. I wanna say it validates “separate the art when it’s good” ordeal but there’s been plenty of poorly reviewed albums with similar baggage attached. Is it just the quality and nature of discourse now? Not sure.
Well the art in question is about women empowerment so it’s hypocritical to collab with someone accused of r@p3. Also it’s alarming how many of her fans say Kesha is a liar.
i never understood why music or movie critics point out the outside factors in their negative reviews (like Dr.Luke here for instance). I'm more of a judging a product for what it is type of guy. That being said still didn't like that album no matter who would've been attached to it
She's a little older than me but I remember 'I Kissed A Girl' onwards. I honestly *never* understood Katy Perry's massiveness back then. She always seemed to be a simulation of pop star. There was never a sense of there being a personality in the way there is with stars who have five number ones off one album. I'd associate that kind of feat with someone like M. Jackson or Madonna; mega-famous people whose names immediately conjure strong associations. That never happened with Katy Perry. She was just there somehow. As for 143: Katy Perry has around $350 million. She could/should have been grateful for her (very, very) good luck, called it a day and spent her life doing something more "purposeful" than pop. That she turned back to Dr Luke was a choice. A very unnecessary choice. 'All the Love' is quite nice though.
I am very happy that this video was made. I think that the context surrounding this album and what has led up to this shunning by critics needs to be discussed and often isn’t when discussing pop artists. It’s not easy to take an honest look at something that is popular to hate. At first I thought that it was just people coming at her for reuniting with Dr. Luke, but I now realize that what was said about the nostalgia not hitting right was exactly what is happening. Her prime is in the past, and the time she is trying to remind people of is not a time that lots of people are proud to say they were such a part of.
I'm curious if you've heard of Rene Girard. He's a philosopher and cultural critic best known for his contribution to the idea of "the mimetic theory of desire:" how we imitate other people's desires, as well as the scapegoat mechanism. Ever since I've learned mimetic theory, I can't unsee how it affects the world, especially in music. Katy Perry's pile-on is a perfect example of the scapegoat mechanism in action.
I loved this video. The articulation and level of depth in it is superb like a lot of your videos. I've yet to to listen to the album all the way through but the outrage seems incredibly disingenius. I feel like there is valid critique in Katy contiuing to work with Dr. Luke or delving into sounds rooted in communities that she has no connection to or done enough musical research to present a unique spin on. But the people are just not being consistent in their outrage as many of Dr. Luke's efforts have gone to the top of the charts with various acts. I just don't care that much. Katy is a rich white woman that has proven repeatedly that she doesn't have the vision, talent, or curatorial skills to make compelling/creative art even if it's not in "good taste". In regards to the audience I feel like they're acting on their worst possible impulses in this situation and framing it as otherwise due to a hunger to belong no matter how hollow. Rage is a commodity like no other in the tik tok era and people aren't asking themselves deep questions to figure out the utility of all this outrage. I hope this marks an end to Dr. Luke's reign of terror in the music industry and a major shift in how we perceive art in the digital age but I'm not betting on that.
As a fellow content creator and music reviewer, there’s so much about what’s frustrating with the climate of reviews right now in this. I think about how our show trashed a critically acclaimed album from two years ago and how that got us more rage views than anything we’d made that year, and I was pissed for months that stuff we were putting just as much if not more effort into actually analyzing what we were talking about. It was a shitty feeling that turned shittier when that performative outrage becomes Chekhov’s gun to a struggling UA-cam channel and you think ‘how bad can things get before I have to use that again?’- and frankly I never want to even think about it. I’m sorry you’re continuing to confront frustrations like this man, you’re one of the best reviewers on the platform BECAUSE of videos like this where you’re encouraged to look beyond immediate thoughts and look for a broader, more interesting sociocultural truth that tells us something: we need to give more of a shit about what we talk about and how we talk about it, but that conversation can only be with creators so long. It’s hard not to feel like Bart Simpson ‘saying the line’ being a reviewer, where the only way you gain traction is by appeasing people who don’t want to think critically about anything. Man, this is all so fucking exhausting. All my favorite creators are being met with this truck sized burnout and obstacles in their way when they’re doing their best. We gotta do what we can for each other cause this ecosystem is so nasty man
Long story short people which includes critics and public are piling on in the bandwagon hate and doesn't really care about any issue. It's all performative. The album is nowhere the worst album there is but it has been rated the worst female album of all time by critics. This is an extremely targeted hatred.
There are definitely worse female albums out there, but they aren't collecting 10+ critic reviews, so obviously this title of "the worst female album" sounds overblown. But honestly i wouldn't argue with someone who'd claim it's the worst mainstream release in some time, cause off the top of my head i can't name a worse album from a popular artist
It's probably because people came to like Katy Perry based on nostalgia, and not really based on the depth of her music. There's a reason why she never developed the fanbase of people like Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga or even Rihanna during her prime. Katy Perry tried her best to replicate the early 2010s pop sound, complete with the lyrics and video of a song from that time, but it came off as stale and underdeveloped. A song like "Woman's World" (and probably the whole album itself) forces older Zoomers to reexamine that sort of music, except as 20-somethings instead of kids.
ah, this was cathartic to watch. i'm not too good to watch a car crash from time to time, but you got me thinking about how easy it is for online-forward outlets to manufacture a watchable car crash out of someone driving over a nail. strained metaphor. anyway, i really like this video.
The problem is she basically made Prism 2 (which no one wanted) instead of going back to her rock roots which the majority of her fans have been asking her to do.
And going back to rock could have succeeded too…look at Olivia Rodrigo and her MASSIVE smash hit Good for You (as well as the 2020s emo/scene revival) if you want an example of that…all I know is that if I were Katy Perry I would be heavily targeting a kind of nostalgia-based marketing approach while also trying to get some of the album tracks (particularly the actual good ones from OOTB and Prism-given that many fans are too young to fully remember the former and view the latter poorly in spite of only knowing it from its poorly received singles) to go viral on TikTok and UA-cam Shorts…
@@BorealicIceberg Madonna was rich and 40 when she made "Ray of Light". Beyoncé was rich and 40 when she made "Renaissance". If Katy lost the hunger to make good/popular art due to age or elevated social status then she should retire. This dated trend chasing she's doing isn't working for her.
I think what people find most unforgivable is how her working with Dr. Luke appeared to be a calculated risk, a gamble if you will. She worked with him knowing the talk surrounding him, which highlighted the seeming desperation to reclaim her lost relevance, and then people collectively feeling/deciding that the quality of the music was not worth the gamble
Doja Cat already said she doesn’t want to work with dr Luke again but she’s under contract and he put his name on songs even when he doesn’t produce all her songs
love this video and i’m glad someone finally touched on the overkill people are doing about this album. however… katy gets a unique amount of hate about working with dr. luke because 1. she was friends with kesha, and for a very long time, 2. she was personally involved in their case, 3. she played activist back the early trump days, 4. she said out of her own mouth that she stopped working with luke because she didn’t seem like she was “picking sides”, which means that working with him again means she *has* ultimately picked a side, and 5. she decided to top all that off with making her and luke’s big comeback single… a women’s empowerment anthem? i think the rest of this video is great. but katy gets what seems like a “hypocritical” amount of backlash about her association with luke because quite literally no other celebrity besides maybe kesha herself was more closely involved in him being “cancelled” in the first place. nobody jumps on anybody else for working with him because none of the other artists ever positioned themselves against him. it reflects very poorly on her character in a very specific way, and that’s not the case with the other acts that tap him for their projects.
I think you got a lot of the facts mixed up 1. Kesha dragged Katy into her case claiming she was assaulted. Yes, she used to be friends with Kesha, but that's a burned bridge if I've ever seen one. 2. Again, she was only involved because Kesha decided to drag her into it. 3. Her political alignment has nothing to do with this lol, one aspect doesn't make or break you being right or left. 4. She said out of her own mouth that she wanted people to know that she wasn't "picking sides" when she said that Kesha's claim about her was false, and that nothing transpired between Katy (herself) and Luke specifically. Big difference. 5. having revised the other 4 claims of yours you can see how number 5 would lose its weight, but I do agree it's a terrible move on her part.
@@qkbarbland43321 and 2 don’t contradict what i said. she was involved, the reason for he involvement doesn’t really matter when it comes to public opinion. i’m not saying any of these things because i believe katy is wrong or right about her decisions. i don’t care that much personally. i’m saying these things *are* why so many people are uniquely angry at katy perry. people perceive her to be especially morally bankrupt because they remember her as being 1. friends with kesha 2. involved with the dr luke case 3. parroting various “liberal” talking points, which most would assume being against working with those accused of sexual assault 4. being someone who didn’t want to “pick sides”, but then signaled that she had picked one by not working with dr luke and now has signaled that she is not on the “other side”by getting back with him. i agree that katy’s involvement with kesha and luke is more nuanced than what i originally stated. my point is that people don’t really care about that nuance, they remember things happening this way and it causes them to view katy as more wrong than everyone else. she is a hypocrite in their minds, and that is how everyone is approaching her this time around. on me for not presenting that clearly enough tho!
@@maaarrccoo not reading the whole thing, but she didn't "signal" anything, you actively going on her albums and checking the credits is indicative of your interest in forming conclusions about her thought process, she's not active in this perceived "signalling"
@@qkbarbland4332of course she is? people of katy perry’s stature don’t do things without thinking about how they’re going to be perceived. there’s no way in the world she was unaware that working with dr. luke would come across as her taking his “side”. she clearly just miscalculated how much people would care.
Love your videos, Mark. There’s often something nebulous, and occasionally classist, about the idea of taste. Outwardly it purports to define why something is good on its own merits with a claim to broad knowledge of everything that’s out there, but is often more this self-regarding thing considering the perceived audience of art, and deciding whether you personally want to be associated with said audience. Obviously nobody can be genuinely “objective” and unbiased about what music they like or they haven’t lived, but I try as much as possible to not consider consensus or cool when being drawn to music and talking about what I’m into. All that to say I still end up on the “bad is the absence of good” line of thinking, because I don’t see why it’s an appeal to taste more than my own sensibilities. In my case, it means that I rate things I perceive as bland, personality-free and without that special something to draw you back, more harshly than songs which are weird and even unpleasant, but still memorable. It doesn’t mean I always gravitate towards avante-garde sounds, if anything I’m impressed when I hear something really distinctive and memorable despite having “bland” ingredients. In the case of 143, I do think it tick a lot of my “bad” boxes . The production is nothing special, feeling generally like cheap versions of sounds we’ve heard before without something new or distinctive. So then you look to the songwriting, and…to my ears anyway, it’s low in strong hooks and severely lacks the kind of dynamics or ebb and flow that a song needs to take you on a journey, or at least the sort of fantastical, lurid journey that the best Katy Perry songs used to. There is a degree of authenticity to the sentiments, especially those around motherhood, but limited detail or insight. Overall I do think the hate is a bit of a pile-on, the sort of thing you only see every so often, and I recall Pitchfork’s evisceration of the Greta Van Fleet debut (key consideration here seems to be “how online is the fandom?” rather than quality, even though I don’t really care for GvF). But I can’t complain too much when a large part of me has been bemoaning the upward trend / Uberification of music review scoring as a whole. I’m interested in how much you care about that, given you don’t give scores in your reviews.
I really appreciate you saying these things, man. I honestly feel it’s an important discussion to have about the world, and how we process art. The last few years, I’ve come to feel like what I care most about taking in art is finding I can understand or relate to the artists’ intent, and I feel like it’s done with a level of creativity and self consciousness- while also having a nice technical ability to it that comes off authentic. It lately feels like the projects I tend to dislike are for more personal reasons- like if I find the main intent to be completely vapid, or even heartless (felt that about Drake for a while now, and have more than less come around to the thought that Ye is a real negative force and influence in art over time, and how disturbing it is that it crosses over to real life). It’s felt important for me to be able to process art this way, and I always appreciate your take on things. Great video!
I didn't like this album, I don't like anyone who gets involved with Dr. Luke genuinely (stopped listening to Kim Petras because of that) but you're very much right that this was the convenient time to attack and to see a lot of people wasting their time on Katy Perry? especially after Witness and Smile? I genuinely don't know what was expected. Also this is the most tiring era to be in any fandom for a pop star, I get the hypocrisy of "Woman's world" but the reality is that most fans for any female music artist are always fighting, comparing x artist to their faves, insulting and just can't criticize that song cus they're part of the problem as well lmao.
Yep. Long before the release of the album I saw a few music accounts stating that the album would flop. And many of them all shared a similar mindset that her imminent failure is well deserved and that they can’t wait to see it so that she can see she was wrong for working with Dr. Luke.
My hot take is that while 143 is getting the brunt of a tendency of critics to follow consensus, it is also actually the worst album by a pop girl this year. I checked. Kim Petras, Camila Cabello, Gracie Abrams, hell even Paris Hilton, none of them managed to put together as unpleasant a listening experience as 143. We'll see if Tate McRae puts up a fight, but I think Katy Perry found the lowest low of this time
Yesterday I looked at The New York Times post discussing this issue, as you did, and saying that the criticism of Katy seemed more of a moment-focused thing than the album itself. The funny thing is that TNYT says that Katy's mistake was not releasing music produced by Dr. Luke, but that she failed to adapt to the new sounds LIKE DR. LUKE DID. I was like wth??? I've listened to a few projects produced by Luke over the past few years and it's just garbage, music so dated that it doesn't make me want to play it even a second time, but out of nowhere there is a critic who praises his production and criticizes Katy for a production that he himself created? Idk, it was pretty weird. I mention this because of what you said 11:50, I remembered that post.
143 unfortunately wasn’t very interesting to listen to. As someone who actually enjoyed her prior releases, I was hoping she would go deeper or even experiment with new sounds. I thought she would collaborate with other pop girls but alas, the album was just boring to listen to. I don’t want her to go away but rather go back to the booth and work with better people who would want her to go further than what she’s done in the past. It’s far from the worst album I’ve heard this year but I can’t lie and say that I’m not disappointed.
Mark I love you but personally I think the slow zooms that you added to the footage just don't work. I respect the experimentation, but maybe... rethink it? Great video otherwise, you inspire me more with every video.
You perfectly encapsualed what I've felt about media discourse. So many people try to act like "tastemakers", but just mime along with whateve the "good take" is. So much bland tripe gets a pass, but will extremly harsh on "easy targets" until they become nostalgic.
I saw where Katy was going with "Woman's World" and bowed out right then and there. I think she had some decent singles on her previous albums that went under the radar(Never Really Over, etc) but not enough for ppl to be so shocked and outraged that this album is bad or boring.
You made some points. I was also disappointed in the album (only the JID and doechii collabs stand out) but it’s more boring than outright terrible. Also pink and Kelly clarkson are two pop acts who have become less interesting over the year (honestly thought Kelly would be more interesting after her divorce) but they don’t get as nearly as much backlash over their mid albums. I reckon it’s because Katy is trying way too hard to be relevant while Kelly/pink just do their thing, but overall as a former huge Katy fan, it’s sad that her career spiraled. Also i might be the only ones who thought Camila cabello and Justin Timberlake’s albums were good lol. Justin kinda went through the same thing with critics being unnecessarily harsh but they mainly berated him over his Britney drama, not the actual music
@AishaGabriel-g5j having your lead single have a jid feature sends a wierd message though. Like, she can't appeal to anyone without a rapper carrying her with a vastly different skillset than she has.
Really enjoyed this video, offers some nuance and insight I haven't seen discussed or I hadn't thought about . I think your outrage towards the the shallowness of the criticism is warranted. Moreover, I agree completely that there should be varied takes on art instead of the homogeneity we have now. I liked KP, I wanted a comeback. "When I'm Gone", "Never Really Over" and "365" are all decent songs in my book. I still like Katy's older music from heyday and if not for the Dr. Luke stuff i would listen to more openly still. I just can't get past the Dr. Luke stuff and personally I don't really interact with artists who work fragrantly work with him. What disturbed me so was the grotesque nature of 'Women's World' and how having an alleged abuser of women producing a misguided anthem by a woman who clearly believes she has something to say on the topic given how many times she's broached it (Hey Hey Hey, What Makes A Woman , but doesn't care or see the dissonance there. So many artists (Nicki, Doja, Kim, Latto and Katy) are giving Dr. Luke space in the industry and it just really make me sad to put it bluntly. How so little has changed, in terms of holding abuser accoutnable, Dr. Luke literally came back after the allegations broke producing this same kind hollow "feminism" for JLO! Sorry this is long, it's just been on my mind.
Wow! That was an incredible video. Katy Perry is an artist that just hold a special place in me and my family’s hearts from teenage dream and prism. My dad and I have so many discussions about her, feeling like if she could just have the right team behind her that truly cares about her image and knows how to keep her from being her own worst enemy when it comes to her writing lyrics, she could be a star once again. So even though Witness wasn’t a good album and Smile was mediocre, my family is always holding out hope that she can make a comeback because we believe the earnestness that was present in her peak. Like you said, maybe we are blinded by the lights of her peak, but I still had hope that she could evolve and break through. And maybe I shouldn’t hope so much anymore and just continue to enjoy the hits whenever the moods strike and appreciate the moment that she had. I think it is really insane that she’s getting hit this hard because even I simply glazed through the new release and just decided it’s not that interesting and I don’t care enough to explain why I think it’s bad or just boring. Lastly, you’re right about being excepting of new music that’s in the same vein of maybe not go good but popular music with Sabrina carpenter. For me, I recognized that it wasn’t like amazing music but it hit for me at the right time as a kinda fun breezy album that I knew I’d enjoy for a month and move on because it would get boring eventually. Honestly, what a great discussion about how we view pop and pop stars and you explained yourself with great clarity.
considering pitchfork and "other culture critics" come up later in the video, it's more accurate to say that Mark is making good on the "art and culture" side of his opening
Not exclusively, nearly every publication has dunked on this album and audiences as a whole are just completely flaming it, many people thought fantano wasn't being harsh enough. That mass backlash for something that's really just mostly mediocre is what's interesting. She deserves to be attacked for producing with Dr Luke though
As someone who listened to the album and who thinks it absolutely is the worst album of the year, you never fail to articulate the nuances of the discussion surrounding a given album, and I appreciate that a lot
Absolutely nailed it. The more I started to notice these sorts of 'you can predict it without even listening to it' consensus opinions, the more bored and annoyed I got with it.
When a doechii guest verse is CARRYING your album, then that is worrying, 143 is probably one of the worst albums this year with wonder being the only acceptable song due to there being no dr Luke on it and it’s still not even the best on the album again… because of guest features saving the album 💀💀💀
Ehh I think the new Katy Perry album is okay its definitely not her best but Katy has made worse (Witness). The production is fine, Katy sounds decent & outside of Wonder where its about her daughter Daisy every other song lyrically is your standard generic pop song that are hit or miss (and the misses are really bad not gonna lie) and the guest verses while interesting are just okay Doechii had the best one on Im His Hes Mine and Kim Petras had the worst on Gorgeous which sounds like an Unholy ripoff worst on the album by a mile. Really tho this whole album is what you expect from a Katy Perry album and the bashing of it all by professional critics and stans is just too much for just a middle of the road generic pop record & a complete overreaction and I agree with Mark its totally pointless especially when some comeback pop acts deserved it a lot more. I get the Dr. Luke angle of it all I dont entirely agree with Katy being still comfortable working with him but a lot of pop acts both new and old are still working with him and regained some success since the Kesha lawsuit I dont understand why people are pissed off now when he should have been given the boot out of the industry years ago that whats pissing me off about this. But its generic pop album with a couple of bright spots, a couple of really bad tracks but its okay at best overall and saying its the worst album ever is just an overreaction again I like Wonder, Crush, Lifetimes and Im His Hes Mine Gorgeous, Artifical and Womans World are the 3 worst tracks on the album
Mark, love the commentary as always, echoed how uncomfortable I was seeing everyone piled onto it, but what's with all the zoom-ins, got disorienting after a while.
People bash Katy Perry for being a try hard then turn around and gush over Olivia Rodrigo and Chappell Roan trying even harder. Wait 5-10 years, and the critical consensus will probably bash them too.
Oh and spoilers, both would list Katy Perry as an influence as well. The creative DNA has always been there regarding their brand of pop, you just don't care for Katy's presentation and style. For the record, it's fine, but let's keep the same energy. (And I love Chappell and Olivia FTR)
There's something malicious about this video in a judgemental way. While yes Katy's artistry is unrighfully considered as "cringe" nowadays and people dunking on it feels disingenuous. Mark's commentary focuses on that side as the bigger and conclusive picture. Katy was mainly anticipated for a comeback and was even supported to have success this year, her actions and decisions is what truly created the downfall of it. There's that lack of accountability on that notion from the video, and instead focuses more to act as a reflective piece that isn't as productive as sets up to be. Katy getting dog pilled since she's not as popular anymore is concerning in the public's climate, but so does making a video that appears to have this "I'm not like other critics" essence. Just make a video about the problem in art and culture and your concerns over it without having a moral superiority around it. Like wtf was that ending?
The hilarious thing here is that I never absolved Katy Perry of her actions one way or the other - I highlighted the convenience of placing all the factors that led to the dogpiling in contrast to where they're not considered, especially to the extent in which it was considered with Katy Perry which was deliberately moralistic. For as much as folks have wanted to wave the hypocrite flag at Perry, one could easily do so at the critics and audience who don't have the stakes of actually releasing art. The funny thing here is that you draw the point about 'lack of accountability'... but to what? Releasing a good album, that the fans are entitled to said comeback, especially when her track record shows that wasn't likely to happen? In essence that showcases what I was attempting with the video: holding the mirror to the audience and other critics to what they CHOOSE to do, and if you don't like what you see... well again, my point is made. Not about to apologize for taking the stand here, you can deal with that.
Katy isn’t an artist..she has nothing to say. 😶 She should’ve found an independent voice & sound by now like Charli XCX did. It’s popular to hate Katy Perry rn. The hate train is in full effect.
I think if you take the 33 minutes to listen to the album you will find it's not boring. It's not super upbeat like teenage dream was. But it's a good album and can be a tearjerker at times.
If you hated this latest Katy Perry album then that episode of South Park where everything Stan is listening to was sh!t was probably all you could think about
It's rare these days for me to click on a video, give it a like in the first half, make it to the end and wish I could give it a second like, and then some. That last line was a killer.
this is easily the most productive discussion one could have about Katy Perry in 2024 and one of the many reasons why I’m subscribed to your channel
The worst sin of this album is being average or not meeting the expectations. It's not the worst album of the last 13 years as metacritic score says, we all know it. There are far more scandalously bad artists releasing worse music for decades, and they were never roasted this hard. It's just a trend to roast her. People like seeing the downfall of pop stars and they don't want to miss this opportunity with Katy Perry. What I wonder is if she recovers from this. Some artists manage to maintain their pop icon status despite major failures. I wonder if she is one of those.
worse albums were released in last 13 years that's for sure, it's just that Katy Perry's album got more reviews and attention. But when it comes to releases from mainstream artists, this is up there for me alongside Charlie Puth's Nine Track Mind and Meghan Trainor albums as some of the worst albums that i've heard in a while
Yall are all forgetting the dr luke of it all. That matters and it contributes towards the reactions of this album. Otherwise it wouldve been another ignored campaign for her as smile was in 2020
@@vanillac0keh3adi think that criticism is justified. but i also think that it makes “virtuous” people feel justified about beating the dead horse that is katy perry. but the general public is very selective on when to care about that stuff. if katy was someone who was still in her prime and not post-flop era, she would’ve been forgiven or at the very least not received this level of vitriol on a mainstream level. don’t forget people like doja cat have gotten luke on the charts in 2020 and she certainly still has a career. if they have a dedicated fan base or are still making hits, they’re forgiven. unfortunately for katy, she doesn’t have either.
@@megan-mr9vk i really cant stand that argument you and every katy fan makes because its not true. Doja cat, kim petras, nicki minaj, etc have all received criticism for working with luke. Its not only directed at katy. I believe it has affected kim petras career the most, its been a stain on her prospective success. The difference with nicki is that her fanbase is vitriolic themselves and do not care nor allow for criticism of her to take place. Doja cat is the only one who actually is contractually obligated to work with luke as she signed a contract under him before kesha came forward with her allegations. Doja has publicly criticized dr lukes shadiness and is careful with her words as he is clearly litigious, i could be wrong but i dont think shes even worked with him since say so? At least not on a single. If anything what makes it different for katy as compared to doja and nicki besides what i already mentioned, is that they could honestly care less if they are perceived as good people. Whereas katy is incredibly desperate to be liked and to be number one. Which makes her choice to work with him all the more perplexing. Unlike everyone else thats worked with him in recent years, shes the only one that centers her public image on being “woke”. Thus the hypocrisy is all the more glaring. But like i said, you all keep trying to deflect by stating no one cares when other artists work with him to make katy seem like a victim of the publics hypocrisy but thats a straight up lie and a poor excuse. No.
@@megan-mr9vk and of course you have nothing to say to my response because you know im right
I think you’re totally right in this analysis overall in the ratings. If I could add though, I’d say that the biggest issue of 143 is that Katy did a lot of this to herself and I think that’s why people are piling on. Sia, also a former pop queen who hit a rough patch creatively and socially, released an album that did poorly this year and I saw not a word about it. Dua Lipa got disappointing numbers with a weak album and she got out relatively unscathed. But Katy waited for her Vegas stint to end, quit American Idol, took out ad after ad after ad on TikTok, and made a powerplay to get back into the upper echelon again. I think most people back in April/May would have expected this to be a big comeback moment for her. My Katy Perry fan friends even thought this was gonna be her Lemonade/folklore. And it’s reheated leftovers of the same stuff she’s always done. Dr Luke allows people to feel morally just in the dogpile to be sure but if the work had been better, it wouldn’t have been in an issue (however unfortunate that is).
So yes, people are being unfairly mean but it all comes back to the hubris of how it was presented and marketed that really got her. An “I’m Back” album is such a high-risk, high-reward venture and the hits just HAVE to be there or it’s gonna get destroyed. Taylor did the same with Midnights, Beyoncé did it with Renaissance, Eminem did it with The Death of Slim Shady, and Gaga’s currently doing it with whatever is happening with Harlequin/LG6.5/LG7. There’s precedent for what she did but you cannot put a MASSIVE spotlight on yourself and do “Woman’s World” as the lead single with that corny, thematically incoherent music video. Her label should have scrapped everything when the leak happened and they saw the reactions, but they didn’t and that’s disappointing because I was rooting for her, even though I’ve never been the biggest fan.
Very well said!
To be fair with Sia she already had her major fuckup with the Music album, which is likely why no one talks about her now.
The sad thing is I understand why in theory Perry went back to Dr.Luke/Lukasz Gottwald. Luke worked on her 2nd, 3rd and 4th albums, all of which feature her biggest charting hits and helped make her a star. Her 5th album Witness, without Dr.Luke, was a disaster. Her 6th album Smile wasn't much better. So from that angle you can see how Perry went back to Luke, she was successful with Luke, then she failed without Luke, so in theory going back to Luke should bring about success. In theory...
In practice this was a terrible decision that risks tainting Perry's legacy, not only because of Dr. Luke but also because its boringly bad, at least Witness was an interesting failure, this is dull and kinda sad.
The only reason why she was successful with Dr Luke in the first place is because Kesha wasn't being chased by the pigs and belting a whistle tone yet. The reason why Katy's attempts failed now is because we live in a post-Praying world where Kesha has been able to successfully reveal the truth about Dr Luke.
This is the yearly video where Mark reminds us he's the actual best music journalist on youtube
The only good*
I can agree with what you said. The album is not good, but certainly not the worst thing ever created like people have said. It’s just uninspired pop music. I found it very interesting (and a bit alarming) that Katy has received this many lashings and negative comments. Don’t get me wrong, being upset that she decided to work with Dr. Luke is completely justified. And it definitely feels hypocritical of her to release a song called Woman’s World with him knowing what he is accused of. But the comments and reviews for the album feel a little over the top. I’ve seen a multitude of people praying for her downfall long before the release of 143 and celebrating with glee over the fact that the project ended up being bad. Many deemed it a flop album before even listening to it. Like you said, she may be a pop juggernaut but she hasn’t released a solid body of work in years to deserve this response. Nobody is really checking for Katy Perry in 2024. A part of me wonders how the response would differ if the album ended up being good. People tend to have a habit of separating the art from the artist when the music is good and overlooking any controversy, but completely dog piling on them when it’s not.
drop dr luke. lol. the creator already explained it.
I have a feeling that whether the new Linkin Park album in November gets praise or condemnation from mainstream critics will reinforce the thesis of this video.
I think we can have a glimpse of what that'll look like once we see how Heavy is the Crown does in any chart or platform, critically and commercially.
I personally love this song though. Not as much as Emptiness Machine but still very good
To me, 143 is the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 of music. Something that tried to revive a dead brand after it was put into a downward spiral after something trash from it released (Witness/Tony Hawk: Ride), only to make things worse, and destroy the remains instead.
I liked thps5 all things considered as it was the game to introduce me to the series
At least THPS 1+2 came along to make up for THPS 5.
I don't see Katy dragging herself out of this mess.
THPS 5 soundtrack went crazy though. And that one mountain level goes hard. I’ll defend that one
Ride still hurts. Just why
I don't think that "reviving" Katy's career was really the intention with this record. Katy and we all know that what people have always asked for is a Teenage Dream 2.0, and 143 is very far from that, sonically and lyrically.
As a Katy Kat, 143 was a terrible album with no redeemable songs. I love my disposable pop but Katy just completely dropped the ball here. You really aren't missing much by not covering it.
To me, This is one of those albums where if she didn’t release “Woman’s World” as a single and didn’t announce that Dr Luke was working with her again, it likely would have sold better or at least the backlash wouldn’t have been as bad.
Would the Dr Luke curse have still been there if she chose something else?
Yes…
…But she could have chosen one of the better songs on the album to hype it up first, like “Wonder” or “All The Love” or literally anything else. But instead she and her management unfortunately chose the wrong lead-off single and now… here we are.
Say what you will about Smile, at least she picked the right lead single, even if as a whole that album wasn’t good. It’s sad that this one might be the final nail in the coffin for a Katy Redemption.
In fairness, it’s absolutely not the worst album of the year considering that Falling In Reverse’s album is MUCH worse (Stay far away from it), but it still is quite a tragic one to me. I do hope that Katy does learn from this mistake at least.
This has been a problem for her since Prism…if she had released By the Grace of God or International Smile as singles, she might have gotten a bit more credibility and the album might have aged better (I consider Roar to be VERY mediocre and Dark Horse to be terrible, to say nothing of This is How We Do…)
@calvinstraveldreams yeah I agree the single choices after Teenage Dream were such a huge issue for her. Prism was a great album but yeah the single choices were poor whether they were successful or not the only good single was Birthday and even that felt like a Teenage Dream leftover (that should've been the first single honestly given the success she's had with those kind of upbeat pop songs). Walking On Air, International Smile and By the Grace of God were more deserving to be hit songs I agree and not just deep cut gems...and yeah since Witness it hasn't gotten better
I kind of agree, if she choose another lead single instead of Woman's World, this album could have slid on by unnoticed like Smile did, quickly becoming forgotten.
@@calvinstraveldreams+walking on air and legendary lovers those would’ve been great singles alongside the two u mentioned
Don't blame me. I found "Woman's World" to be as insightful as "Roar." While I accept what Katy Perry does, I never held her to a higher standard or claimed that she dropped off. She's making the same music she ever did and it's maybe why I found the new album to be mostly fine. It wasn't innovative or new, but it was in her lane. She did what she always does and I think you're right in suggesting the blame is less on her failing and more individual perspective.
Bro saw Fantano's review and was like, "Nah."
Same
tbh I can't imagine Fantano in particular played an especially major part in inspiring this video since that guy's never been one to sugarcoat his opinion in order to appease stan culture, this seems to be a lot more pointed at the general discourse around the album in which this became such a universally easy target for people to poke fun at and disparage to the point where even the so-called "professional" review outlets that a platform like Metacritic would count felt safe enough to pan something without the fear of blowback for once, and what THAT really implies
fantano didnt even give it that low of a score surprisingly
What Katy Perry should have done was taken a break after the Witness album and not released Smile. Then she should have merged the best songs from the Smile album with the best songs off the 143 album to produce a much better album.
What a refreshing perspective. I honestly rarely agree with your takes but when you nail it you REALLY nail it.
It’s so sad seeing her fall this hard. I was the biggest fan in my teen years. My first concert after getting my license was her for the Prism tour. Breaks my heart seeing part of my childhood fade into just a distant memory.
I had to live through Geri leaving the Spice Girls. Don't talk to me about trauma.
@@BorealicIceberg 😭😭😭
@@BorealicIceberg oh please, I witnessed Geri leaving the Spice Girls AND ‘Nsync going on hiatus so Justin could release a solo record when JC was my favourite…you know nothing of pain
lol she’s still booked at the biggest events in the world and selling sold out shows. she’ll be fine. she has still the possibility to release an amazing album in a few years lol
Justin Timberlake also had this kind of treatment from his latest album tho. majority of the reviews talks about Janet and Britney... not the actual music review.
Mark seems to hate Justin so he's not gonna acknowledge that lol
I do think Katy has gotten WAY more hate for 143 though.
The big thing I want to take out of this is the take of understanding and incorporating one’s emotions and personal connection to art and criticism. Be it as a way to enforce or give art that’s been heavily panned in a new look. Since that’s what most art started as, making you feel something
I mean…it’s the main reason why I love so many critically hated songs or bands. I wish critics WOULD try to be more subjective and emotionally driven since honestly analyzing things in an “objective meter” can get tiresome and occasionally overlook important metacontext that the album is trying to push.
I’d talk more about Katy herself and the album but I just don’t care. I liked the singles off teenage dream and prism and have nostalgic for them but even after having her entire career life story told to me by many, I don’t want to get invested just to fit in. Trying to force how I feel just to jump on the pile on doesn’t interest me either. I like this video’s take
Everyone came to a consensus that Katy Perry’s time as a pop juggernaut is over
I think this was a very interesting and insightful analysis on Katy Perry. As someone who's listened to the album, heres what I think. It's not good. The production is weak, Katy Perry doesn't sound as engaged, alongside with wasted features, and the lyrics are pretty generic. Now, Katy Perry had some truly great hits, but awful deep cuts (look at "Peacock"), but that's always been true. People are going out of the way to cancel her for it, which I always found ridiculous. "WOMAN'S WORLD" was a generally mediocre song with an awful music video, and I get why it's not right making a woman empowerment anthem with Dr. Luke, but let's not act like many female artists don't work with him and don't face backlash. I appreciate you mostly coming to her defense. Even if the album isn't good, do we have to cancel her?
Do those female artists claim they're feminists? (I actually have no idea) I don't really think that's the reason of the backlash either - Margot Robbie and Taylor Swift framed themselves as feminists and working with David O Russell didn't really hurt them. I think it's just an easy excuse, which was not helped by her first single being "Woman's World" and then being awful on top of it. But Kesha definitely has fans, so I can see part of the backlash being genuinely from there. Not the majority tho.
It's a bad album, (or at least, bad singles) mixed with we like to tear people apart associated with "everyone else is doing it". I've never cared about Katy Perry either way. But I am also chronically online and on twitter, while I haven't joined the backlash, it'd be very easy to as I see it all the time (and so does everyone who follows mainstream music there). I imagine there are plenty of people who also see it and probably wouldn't be very invested in it, but when it reaches a certain levels, it just kinda becomes the thing to do.
Idk tho. This is just to add to the conversation.
I agree that the hate is overdone, like omg... Katy Perry did a flop outdated album? How surprising. My girl can't catch a break since Roar cooled off. She is a 2010s hit single queen... the 2010s are so outdated that the only reason we listen to most of the pop music from that era is teenage nostalgia. She still doesn't deserve the coveted title of "worst female album" on Metacritic, like wtf is that, lmao.
Though, I think there's something extra with Katy working with Dr. Luke because: 1) She isn't like other random artists working with the creep; she has a personal story with Kesha. She was closer to that story than a rando like Kim Petras. She also DIDN'T help herself by making that interview, saying that she worked with him because she felt like it. And 2) She tried to push a "feminist" song produced by that guy... like, what? If Woman's World didn’t exist, and instead she tried directly with Lifetimes, it would have flopped, BUT people wouldn’t be this mad.
Katy isn’t innocent here; I think she deserves some of the heat. People are overdoing it, but-this could become useful since it might scare people off from working with Dr. Luke, either because of this exaggerated backlash or the fear that the previous hitmaker has lost his way, but never for their morals ahem ahem. So yeah, she’s kind of a sacrificial lamb. She’s just... too easy to hate right now. The hate train is engineered to perfection (unlike that flop Woman's World.)
Now, hot take... I kinda hate myself for this, but I find Crush so catchy that I’m considering adding that trash to my workout playlist. I’m a sucker for Europop, lmao. Are the lyrics trash? Is it generic? Hell yeah. It’s also a freaking earworm.
Seeing that THIS album was the one where it felt like everyone woke up about a specific case of abuse is weird. I wanna say it validates “separate the art when it’s good” ordeal but there’s been plenty of poorly reviewed albums with similar baggage attached. Is it just the quality and nature of discourse now? Not sure.
Peacock should have already did it for her.
Well the art in question is about women empowerment so it’s hypocritical to collab with someone accused of r@p3.
Also it’s alarming how many of her fans say Kesha is a liar.
@@RhapsodyHC THIS!
i never understood why music or movie critics point out the outside factors in their negative reviews (like Dr.Luke here for instance). I'm more of a judging a product for what it is type of guy. That being said still didn't like that album no matter who would've been attached to it
She's a little older than me but I remember 'I Kissed A Girl' onwards. I honestly *never* understood Katy Perry's massiveness back then. She always seemed to be a simulation of pop star. There was never a sense of there being a personality in the way there is with stars who have five number ones off one album. I'd associate that kind of feat with someone like M. Jackson or Madonna; mega-famous people whose names immediately conjure strong associations. That never happened with Katy Perry. She was just there somehow.
As for 143: Katy Perry has around $350 million. She could/should have been grateful for her (very, very) good luck, called it a day and spent her life doing something more "purposeful" than pop. That she turned back to Dr Luke was a choice. A very unnecessary choice. 'All the Love' is quite nice though.
I am very happy that this video was made. I think that the context surrounding this album and what has led up to this shunning by critics needs to be discussed and often isn’t when discussing pop artists. It’s not easy to take an honest look at something that is popular to hate.
At first I thought that it was just people coming at her for reuniting with Dr. Luke, but I now realize that what was said about the nostalgia not hitting right was exactly what is happening. Her prime is in the past, and the time she is trying to remind people of is not a time that lots of people are proud to say they were such a part of.
I'm curious if you've heard of Rene Girard. He's a philosopher and cultural critic best known for his contribution to the idea of "the mimetic theory of desire:" how we imitate other people's desires, as well as the scapegoat mechanism. Ever since I've learned mimetic theory, I can't unsee how it affects the world, especially in music. Katy Perry's pile-on is a perfect example of the scapegoat mechanism in action.
you just know this guy's english essays were fire
It’s “Trainwrecords” story of its marketing…I see what you did there, Mark. Nice shout out to Todd
I loved this video. The articulation and level of depth in it is superb like a lot of your videos. I've yet to to listen to the album all the way through but the outrage seems incredibly disingenius. I feel like there is valid critique in Katy contiuing to work with Dr. Luke or delving into sounds rooted in communities that she has no connection to or done enough musical research to present a unique spin on. But the people are just not being consistent in their outrage as many of Dr. Luke's efforts have gone to the top of the charts with various acts. I just don't care that much. Katy is a rich white woman that has proven repeatedly that she doesn't have the vision, talent, or curatorial skills to make compelling/creative art even if it's not in "good taste". In regards to the audience I feel like they're acting on their worst possible impulses in this situation and framing it as otherwise due to a hunger to belong no matter how hollow. Rage is a commodity like no other in the tik tok era and people aren't asking themselves deep questions to figure out the utility of all this outrage. I hope this marks an end to Dr. Luke's reign of terror in the music industry and a major shift in how we perceive art in the digital age but I'm not betting on that.
As a fellow content creator and music reviewer, there’s so much about what’s frustrating with the climate of reviews right now in this. I think about how our show trashed a critically acclaimed album from two years ago and how that got us more rage views than anything we’d made that year, and I was pissed for months that stuff we were putting just as much if not more effort into actually analyzing what we were talking about. It was a shitty feeling that turned shittier when that performative outrage becomes Chekhov’s gun to a struggling UA-cam channel and you think ‘how bad can things get before I have to use that again?’- and frankly I never want to even think about it.
I’m sorry you’re continuing to confront frustrations like this man, you’re one of the best reviewers on the platform BECAUSE of videos like this where you’re encouraged to look beyond immediate thoughts and look for a broader, more interesting sociocultural truth that tells us something: we need to give more of a shit about what we talk about and how we talk about it, but that conversation can only be with creators so long. It’s hard not to feel like Bart Simpson ‘saying the line’ being a reviewer, where the only way you gain traction is by appeasing people who don’t want to think critically about anything.
Man, this is all so fucking exhausting. All my favorite creators are being met with this truck sized burnout and obstacles in their way when they’re doing their best. We gotta do what we can for each other cause this ecosystem is so nasty man
Long story short people which includes critics and public are piling on in the bandwagon hate and doesn't really care about any issue. It's all performative. The album is nowhere the worst album there is but it has been rated the worst female album of all time by critics. This is an extremely targeted hatred.
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There are definitely worse female albums out there, but they aren't collecting 10+ critic reviews, so obviously this title of "the worst female album" sounds overblown. But honestly i wouldn't argue with someone who'd claim it's the worst mainstream release in some time, cause off the top of my head i can't name a worse album from a popular artist
It's probably because people came to like Katy Perry based on nostalgia, and not really based on the depth of her music. There's a reason why she never developed the fanbase of people like Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga or even Rihanna during her prime. Katy Perry tried her best to replicate the early 2010s pop sound, complete with the lyrics and video of a song from that time, but it came off as stale and underdeveloped. A song like "Woman's World" (and probably the whole album itself) forces older Zoomers to reexamine that sort of music, except as 20-somethings instead of kids.
I love how insightful and smart you are. Proud to have been here since 2013!
Interesting vid, and I'm glad it's not just another bashing of 143, cause it's not even that interesting of a disaster to be fascinating to bash.
ah, this was cathartic to watch. i'm not too good to watch a car crash from time to time, but you got me thinking about how easy it is for online-forward outlets to manufacture a watchable car crash out of someone driving over a nail. strained metaphor. anyway, i really like this video.
The problem is she basically made Prism 2 (which no one wanted) instead of going back to her rock roots which the majority of her fans have been asking her to do.
That would have been nice. Put Katy Perry away and reveal Katherine, like her Noisey video with a therapist.
And going back to rock could have succeeded too…look at Olivia Rodrigo and her MASSIVE smash hit Good for You (as well as the 2020s emo/scene revival) if you want an example of that…all I know is that if I were Katy Perry I would be heavily targeting a kind of nostalgia-based marketing approach while also trying to get some of the album tracks (particularly the actual good ones from OOTB and Prism-given that many fans are too young to fully remember the former and view the latter poorly in spite of only knowing it from its poorly received singles) to go viral on TikTok and UA-cam Shorts…
She made those early songs as a broke teenager. She's now almost forty years old has about $350m. She's literally a different person.
@@BorealicIceberg
Madonna was rich and 40 when she made "Ray of Light". Beyoncé was rich and 40 when she made "Renaissance".
If Katy lost the hunger to make good/popular art due to age or elevated social status then she should retire. This dated trend chasing she's doing isn't working for her.
If this gets the same response that Chris Stuckmann's Madame Web video got, then we're in for a long cold winter.
I think what people find most unforgivable is how her working with Dr. Luke appeared to be a calculated risk, a gamble if you will. She worked with him knowing the talk surrounding him, which highlighted the seeming desperation to reclaim her lost relevance, and then people collectively feeling/deciding that the quality of the music was not worth the gamble
Doja Cat already said she doesn’t want to work with dr Luke again but she’s under contract and he put his name on songs even when he doesn’t produce all her songs
love this video and i’m glad someone finally touched on the overkill people are doing about this album.
however… katy gets a unique amount of hate about working with dr. luke because 1. she was friends with kesha, and for a very long time, 2. she was personally involved in their case, 3. she played activist back the early trump days, 4. she said out of her own mouth that she stopped working with luke because she didn’t seem like she was “picking sides”, which means that working with him again means she *has* ultimately picked a side, and 5. she decided to top all that off with making her and luke’s big comeback single… a women’s empowerment anthem?
i think the rest of this video is great. but katy gets what seems like a “hypocritical” amount of backlash about her association with luke because quite literally no other celebrity besides maybe kesha herself was more closely involved in him being “cancelled” in the first place. nobody jumps on anybody else for working with him because none of the other artists ever positioned themselves against him. it reflects very poorly on her character in a very specific way, and that’s not the case with the other acts that tap him for their projects.
I think you got a lot of the facts mixed up
1. Kesha dragged Katy into her case claiming she was assaulted. Yes, she used to be friends with Kesha, but that's a burned bridge if I've ever seen one.
2. Again, she was only involved because Kesha decided to drag her into it.
3. Her political alignment has nothing to do with this lol, one aspect doesn't make or break you being right or left.
4. She said out of her own mouth that she wanted people to know that she wasn't "picking sides" when she said that Kesha's claim about her was false, and that nothing transpired between Katy (herself) and Luke specifically. Big difference.
5. having revised the other 4 claims of yours you can see how number 5 would lose its weight, but I do agree it's a terrible move on her part.
@@qkbarbland43321 and 2 don’t contradict what i said. she was involved, the reason for he involvement doesn’t really matter when it comes to public opinion. i’m not saying any of these things because i believe katy is wrong or right about her decisions. i don’t care that much personally. i’m saying these things *are* why so many people are uniquely angry at katy perry. people perceive her to be especially morally bankrupt because they remember her as being 1. friends with kesha 2. involved with the dr luke case 3. parroting various “liberal” talking points, which most would assume being against working with those accused of sexual assault 4. being someone who didn’t want to “pick sides”, but then signaled that she had picked one by not working with dr luke and now has signaled that she is not on the “other side”by getting back with him.
i agree that katy’s involvement with kesha and luke is more nuanced than what i originally stated. my point is that people don’t really care about that nuance, they remember things happening this way and it causes them to view katy as more wrong than everyone else. she is a hypocrite in their minds, and that is how everyone is approaching her this time around. on me for not presenting that clearly enough tho!
@@maaarrccoo not reading the whole thing, but she didn't "signal" anything, you actively going on her albums and checking the credits is indicative of your interest in forming conclusions about her thought process, she's not active in this perceived "signalling"
@@qkbarbland4332of course she is? people of katy perry’s stature don’t do things without thinking about how they’re going to be perceived. there’s no way in the world she was unaware that working with dr. luke would come across as her taking his “side”. she clearly just miscalculated how much people would care.
Love your longer commentaries like this.
Also, please review the new Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings project, Woodland.
Love your videos, Mark. There’s often something nebulous, and occasionally classist, about the idea of taste. Outwardly it purports to define why something is good on its own merits with a claim to broad knowledge of everything that’s out there, but is often more this self-regarding thing considering the perceived audience of art, and deciding whether you personally want to be associated with said audience.
Obviously nobody can be genuinely “objective” and unbiased about what music they like or they haven’t lived, but I try as much as possible to not consider consensus or cool when being drawn to music and talking about what I’m into. All that to say I still end up on the “bad is the absence of good” line of thinking, because I don’t see why it’s an appeal to taste more than my own sensibilities. In my case, it means that I rate things I perceive as bland, personality-free and without that special something to draw you back, more harshly than songs which are weird and even unpleasant, but still memorable. It doesn’t mean I always gravitate towards avante-garde sounds, if anything I’m impressed when I hear something really distinctive and memorable despite having “bland” ingredients.
In the case of 143, I do think it tick a lot of my “bad” boxes . The production is nothing special, feeling generally like cheap versions of sounds we’ve heard before without something new or distinctive. So then you look to the songwriting, and…to my ears anyway, it’s low in strong hooks and severely lacks the kind of dynamics or ebb and flow that a song needs to take you on a journey, or at least the sort of fantastical, lurid journey that the best Katy Perry songs used to. There is a degree of authenticity to the sentiments, especially those around motherhood, but limited detail or insight.
Overall I do think the hate is a bit of a pile-on, the sort of thing you only see every so often, and I recall Pitchfork’s evisceration of the Greta Van Fleet debut (key consideration here seems to be “how online is the fandom?” rather than quality, even though I don’t really care for GvF). But I can’t complain too much when a large part of me has been bemoaning the upward trend / Uberification of music review scoring as a whole. I’m interested in how much you care about that, given you don’t give scores in your reviews.
I really appreciate you saying these things, man. I honestly feel it’s an important discussion to have about the world, and how we process art.
The last few years, I’ve come to feel like what I care most about taking in art is finding I can understand or relate to the artists’ intent, and I feel like it’s done with a level of creativity and self consciousness- while also having a nice technical ability to it that comes off authentic. It lately feels like the projects I tend to dislike are for more personal reasons- like if I find the main intent to be completely vapid, or even heartless (felt that about Drake for a while now, and have more than less come around to the thought that Ye is a real negative force and influence in art over time, and how disturbing it is that it crosses over to real life).
It’s felt important for me to be able to process art this way, and I always appreciate your take on things. Great video!
Excellently said 👏 👏 👏
Also Lifetimes is great 🎧 🥰
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I didn't like this album, I don't like anyone who gets involved with Dr. Luke genuinely (stopped listening to Kim Petras because of that) but you're very much right that this was the convenient time to attack and to see a lot of people wasting their time on Katy Perry? especially after Witness and Smile? I genuinely don't know what was expected. Also this is the most tiring era to be in any fandom for a pop star, I get the hypocrisy of "Woman's world" but the reality is that most fans for any female music artist are always fighting, comparing x artist to their faves, insulting and just can't criticize that song cus they're part of the problem as well lmao.
I knew discussing this album or the lead single was going to be pointless when people were already attacking it before they had heard a note.
Yep. Long before the release of the album I saw a few music accounts stating that the album would flop. And many of them all shared a similar mindset that her imminent failure is well deserved and that they can’t wait to see it so that she can see she was wrong for working with Dr. Luke.
My hot take is that while 143 is getting the brunt of a tendency of critics to follow consensus, it is also actually the worst album by a pop girl this year. I checked. Kim Petras, Camila Cabello, Gracie Abrams, hell even Paris Hilton, none of them managed to put together as unpleasant a listening experience as 143. We'll see if Tate McRae puts up a fight, but I think Katy Perry found the lowest low of this time
Yesterday I looked at The New York Times post discussing this issue, as you did, and saying that the criticism of Katy seemed more of a moment-focused thing than the album itself.
The funny thing is that TNYT says that Katy's mistake was not releasing music produced by Dr. Luke, but that she failed to adapt to the new sounds LIKE DR. LUKE DID. I was like wth??? I've listened to a few projects produced by Luke over the past few years and it's just garbage, music so dated that it doesn't make me want to play it even a second time, but out of nowhere there is a critic who praises his production and criticizes Katy for a production that he himself created? Idk, it was pretty weird.
I mention this because of what you said 11:50, I remembered that post.
I'm adding this video to my Favorites playlist. Excellent excellent points and video, Mark.
143 unfortunately wasn’t very interesting to listen to. As someone who actually enjoyed her prior releases, I was hoping she would go deeper or even experiment with new sounds. I thought she would collaborate with other pop girls but alas, the album was just boring to listen to. I don’t want her to go away but rather go back to the booth and work with better people who would want her to go further than what she’s done in the past.
It’s far from the worst album I’ve heard this year but I can’t lie and say that I’m not disappointed.
Mark I love you but personally I think the slow zooms that you added to the footage just don't work. I respect the experimentation, but maybe... rethink it? Great video otherwise, you inspire me more with every video.
You perfectly encapsualed what I've felt about media discourse. So many people try to act like "tastemakers", but just mime along with whateve the "good take" is. So much bland tripe gets a pass, but will extremly harsh on "easy targets" until they become nostalgic.
I saw where Katy was going with "Woman's World" and bowed out right then and there. I think she had some decent singles on her previous albums that went under the radar(Never Really Over, etc) but not enough for ppl to be so shocked and outraged that this album is bad or boring.
This kind of self-awareness and insight is exactly what I come to this channel looking for.
This is not a comment
I didn't like this album but I agree with everything you said to conclude the review.
You made some points. I was also disappointed in the album (only the JID and doechii collabs stand out) but it’s more boring than outright terrible. Also pink and Kelly clarkson are two pop acts who have become less interesting over the year (honestly thought Kelly would be more interesting after her divorce) but they don’t get as nearly as much backlash over their mid albums. I reckon it’s because Katy is trying way too hard to be relevant while Kelly/pink just do their thing, but overall as a former huge Katy fan, it’s sad that her career spiraled.
Also i might be the only ones who thought Camila cabello and Justin Timberlake’s albums were good lol. Justin kinda went through the same thing with critics being unnecessarily harsh but they mainly berated him over his Britney drama, not the actual music
I thought Justin's latest album was good, too.
that explains well why reviews of Grimes's album miss anthropocene always left a bad taste in my mouth
I like that Voltorb btw 😊
The song with jid went hard though im ngl
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If this song was lead single every thing will change,katy chose the wrong lead single
@AishaGabriel-g5j having your lead single have a jid feature sends a wierd message though. Like, she can't appeal to anyone without a rapper carrying her with a vastly different skillset than she has.
@@thomasherrington7237 at least it's better than woman's world, right now she need a huge single to carry the album
Really enjoyed this video, offers some nuance and insight I haven't seen discussed or I hadn't thought about . I think your outrage towards the the shallowness of the criticism is warranted. Moreover, I agree completely that
there should be varied takes on art instead of the homogeneity we have now.
I liked KP, I wanted a comeback. "When I'm Gone", "Never Really Over" and "365" are all decent songs in my book. I still like Katy's older music from heyday and if not for the Dr. Luke stuff i would listen to more openly still.
I just can't get past the Dr. Luke stuff and personally I don't really interact with artists who work fragrantly work with him. What disturbed me so was the grotesque nature of 'Women's World' and how having an alleged abuser of women producing a misguided anthem by a woman who clearly believes she has something to say on the topic given how many times she's broached it (Hey Hey Hey, What Makes A Woman , but doesn't care or see the dissonance there. So many artists (Nicki, Doja, Kim, Latto and Katy) are giving Dr. Luke space in the industry and it just really make me sad to put it bluntly. How so little has changed, in terms of holding abuser accoutnable, Dr. Luke literally came back after the allegations broke producing this same kind hollow "feminism" for JLO!
Sorry this is long, it's just been on my mind.
Why she hasn’t tried for pop rock is beyond me. It’s what she’s rooted in, and she fits best in that sound, and that sound is popular right now!
So when Mark says you he is referring to Dr Luke right?
Nah, in general.
Wow! That was an incredible video. Katy Perry is an artist that just hold a special place in me and my family’s hearts from teenage dream and prism. My dad and I have so many discussions about her, feeling like if she could just have the right team behind her that truly cares about her image and knows how to keep her from being her own worst enemy when it comes to her writing lyrics, she could be a star once again. So even though Witness wasn’t a good album and Smile was mediocre, my family is always holding out hope that she can make a comeback because we believe the earnestness that was present in her peak. Like you said, maybe we are blinded by the lights of her peak, but I still had hope that she could evolve and break through. And maybe I shouldn’t hope so much anymore and just continue to enjoy the hits whenever the moods strike and appreciate the moment that she had. I think it is really insane that she’s getting hit this hard because even I simply glazed through the new release and just decided it’s not that interesting and I don’t care enough to explain why I think it’s bad or just boring. Lastly, you’re right about being excepting of new music that’s in the same vein of maybe not go good but popular music with Sabrina carpenter. For me, I recognized that it wasn’t like amazing music but it hit for me at the right time as a kinda fun breezy album that I knew I’d enjoy for a month and move on because it would get boring eventually. Honestly, what a great discussion about how we view pop and pop stars and you explained yourself with great clarity.
Is this about Fantano?
considering pitchfork and "other culture critics" come up later in the video, it's more accurate to say that Mark is making good on the "art and culture" side of his opening
Not exclusively, nearly every publication has dunked on this album and audiences as a whole are just completely flaming it, many people thought fantano wasn't being harsh enough. That mass backlash for something that's really just mostly mediocre is what's interesting. She deserves to be attacked for producing with Dr Luke though
As someone who listened to the album and who thinks it absolutely is the worst album of the year, you never fail to articulate the nuances of the discussion surrounding a given album, and I appreciate that a lot
This is why I subscribe. FANTASTIC ANALYSIS
Absolutely nailed it. The more I started to notice these sorts of 'you can predict it without even listening to it' consensus opinions, the more bored and annoyed I got with it.
When a doechii guest verse is CARRYING your album, then that is worrying, 143 is probably one of the worst albums this year with wonder being the only acceptable song due to there being no dr Luke on it and it’s still not even the best on the album again… because of guest features saving the album 💀💀💀
Hey!
There’s also my boy Jid on Artificial.
He did good
@@ivrxr8693 agreed
I've never been a fan of Perry. Hell, my favorite Katy Perry song is the background vocals on P.O.D.'s track "Goodbye For Now".
Amazing
Joke's on you I don't give one about her album cause I still like that kinda shit
& the nostalgia do hit
It’s horrible. Smile and Witness are better than this AI generated trash. Dr. Luke is really just salt in the wound.
Ehh I think the new Katy Perry album is okay its definitely not her best but Katy has made worse (Witness).
The production is fine, Katy sounds decent & outside of Wonder where its about her daughter Daisy every other song lyrically is your standard generic pop song that are hit or miss (and the misses are really bad not gonna lie) and the guest verses while interesting are just okay Doechii had the best one on Im His Hes Mine and Kim Petras had the worst on Gorgeous which sounds like an Unholy ripoff worst on the album by a mile.
Really tho this whole album is what you expect from a Katy Perry album and the bashing of it all by professional critics and stans is just too much for just a middle of the road generic pop record & a complete overreaction and I agree with Mark its totally pointless especially when some comeback pop acts deserved it a lot more. I get the Dr. Luke angle of it all I dont entirely agree with Katy being still comfortable working with him but a lot of pop acts both new and old are still working with him and regained some success since the Kesha lawsuit I dont understand why people are pissed off now when he should have been given the boot out of the industry years ago that whats pissing me off about this.
But its generic pop album with a couple of bright spots, a couple of really bad tracks but its okay at best overall and saying its the worst album ever is just an overreaction again
I like Wonder, Crush, Lifetimes and Im His Hes Mine
Gorgeous, Artifical and Womans World are the 3 worst tracks on the album
Respect.
I see spectrum pulse is going all jordan peterson.
Well what do you mean by the word I?
(It's a joke)
Best video about Katy Perry I’ve seen in 2024
Not gonna lie, I've completely forgotten that she released "Smile" in 2020
I get your point, but the album is still dog shit
No way the same person who have teenage dream in her catalog is flopping this hard
Sadly. But the album needed to be better, even though most the hate is very anti biased.
look im gen z my parents are xillenials please stop calling me out mark im begging you
Mark, love the commentary as always, echoed how uncomfortable I was seeing everyone piled onto it, but what's with all the zoom-ins, got disorienting after a while.
Oooh that hard cut hit
People bash Katy Perry for being a try hard then turn around and gush over Olivia Rodrigo and Chappell Roan trying even harder. Wait 5-10 years, and the critical consensus will probably bash them too.
Oh and spoilers, both would list Katy Perry as an influence as well. The creative DNA has always been there regarding their brand of pop, you just don't care for Katy's presentation and style.
For the record, it's fine, but let's keep the same energy. (And I love Chappell and Olivia FTR)
@@justezek8596 We don't talk enough about how Katy Perry has inspired your favorite pop girlie for real, because she's inspired SO many of them.
There's something malicious about this video in a judgemental way. While yes Katy's artistry is unrighfully considered as "cringe" nowadays and people dunking on it feels disingenuous. Mark's commentary focuses on that side as the bigger and conclusive picture. Katy was mainly anticipated for a comeback and was even supported to have success this year, her actions and decisions is what truly created the downfall of it. There's that lack of accountability on that notion from the video, and instead focuses more to act as a reflective piece that isn't as productive as sets up to be. Katy getting dog pilled since she's not as popular anymore is concerning in the public's climate, but so does making a video that appears to have this "I'm not like other critics" essence. Just make a video about the problem in art and culture and your concerns over it without having a moral superiority around it. Like wtf was that ending?
The hilarious thing here is that I never absolved Katy Perry of her actions one way or the other - I highlighted the convenience of placing all the factors that led to the dogpiling in contrast to where they're not considered, especially to the extent in which it was considered with Katy Perry which was deliberately moralistic. For as much as folks have wanted to wave the hypocrite flag at Perry, one could easily do so at the critics and audience who don't have the stakes of actually releasing art.
The funny thing here is that you draw the point about 'lack of accountability'... but to what? Releasing a good album, that the fans are entitled to said comeback, especially when her track record shows that wasn't likely to happen? In essence that showcases what I was attempting with the video: holding the mirror to the audience and other critics to what they CHOOSE to do, and if you don't like what you see... well again, my point is made. Not about to apologize for taking the stand here, you can deal with that.
u should check out Todd in the Shadows song vs song episode on Roar vs Brave
Excellent video, and congrats on saying a lot that needed to be said
Katy isn’t an artist..she has nothing to say. 😶
She should’ve found an independent voice & sound by now like Charli XCX did.
It’s popular to hate Katy Perry rn. The hate train is in full effect.
I think if you take the 33 minutes to listen to the album you will find it's not boring. It's not super upbeat like teenage dream was. But it's a good album and can be a tearjerker at times.
She’s not just getting hate for working with dr Luke. She’s getting hate for working with dr Luke AND the music is shit. It’s not that deep lol
Say it louder!
fabulous
Oh damn
Good vid
If you hated this latest Katy Perry album then that episode of South Park where everything Stan is listening to was sh!t was probably all you could think about
I really enjoyed the editing here
Cut always exactly at the right time
This was brilliant. Thanks Mark!
Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake, and Linkin Park. The Year of the Falloff.
But it's not. These artists haven't been in their "prime" for over a decade at least. Their "falloff" already happened.
@@MissAlmostFine Also Linkin Park was without Chester Bennington ever since 2016. That's my fallout to me.
AND Camilla cabelo
The Emptiness Machine still in the top 10 on global spotify
And Jennifer Lopez
I completely forgot Slut Pop Miami was released this year until Mark brought it up
oh yeah slut pop 2 that's a masterpiece
you deserve 1 million subscribers because of this smart and succinct video
It's rare these days for me to click on a video, give it a like in the first half, make it to the end and wish I could give it a second like, and then some. That last line was a killer.
The album is trash. Just admit it and move on. You're not special either.
She was always boring, with a couple of cool tracks.