I'd love to see you use combat support airfields. Like in that last match, if you'd put one down near the middle Tib field, you could have cut your flight times in half and gone on twice as many attack runs. I've watched a lot of your games where you're advancing an MCV on the enemy and hoped that you would put down a CSA so you could be even more aggressive with your Zorcas.
I love behind the scenes of the 3rd generation command and conquer games, really makes me sad the xbox version of tiberium wars, kanes wrath and red alert 3 all got shafted with tiberium wars running on 1.01, kane's wrath on 1.00 which is effectively 1.09 for tiberium wars and red alert 3 on 1.00
@@QueenDaenerysTargaryen hmm! Probably 1 - Steel Talons, for Titans and oldschool Jugs 2 - Black Hand, for blue flame shenanigans 3 - Reaper-17, for Dev tank micro It's nice to just play random though tbh, variety is the spice of life
Question for you: Been playing Zocom and having trouble both eccoing as I like to (which is as hard as I can generally) while at the same time having an army that isn't 60% infantry Tib investment wise. Wanted your thoughts on going Crane with Zocom. Leveraging that super powerful early and cheap infantry and rocket harvesters advantage vs rush / all ins for a Cane that not only allows for an even more powerful eco opening but I can actually afford to get a second warfactory / use all that damn tib on things that arn't infantry. Crane Expand with Zocom good or bad vs what? Would be first real question and... What the hell do I use all this Tib on in your opinion? Currently I just APC, Shat, Inf... maybe some rock head or zorca. But I like to rush as quickly as practical to Ion Cannon and blow up enemy 3rd field if possible, or the harvesters there at a minimum as my form of Zocom artillery and late game advantage. Kind of a big fan of what you might call "over expanding" as Zocom where I feel like all my MCV does is move to a field, poop 2 reffs, then move to the next before I can really tech with it. Sad / GREAT thing about Zocom is T3 is overacted for the faction so you can kind of just go nuts with the ECO unit spam on T2. But I feel late game is questionable without a swift super.
i think duel airfield Zorca is kind of the way to go for Zocom well except against Nod cause bike buggy, maybe your crane idea might work on them. and yeah just try and keep a big unit mix and get good at using emp grenades. if you got a big eco to burn i would think mammoth tanks and zone raiders combo. mammoths just tank for the raiders and pop anti inf vehicles while the real dps is the raiders
I've tried going crane but I found that one build queue is enough while pumping out units from a barracks warfactory and airfield. You shouldnt need a crane if you expand while making an army. Though, thats my opinion. Mostly everyone else would go multi mcv and go the MARV route and even chuck a Crane in there to accelerate it.
@@masterleafcnc Nah, I feel like Zocom are really powerful on T2 so no need to run T3 all that fast is you don't want to. Just trying to think how to get to that Ion Cannon ASAP while still being mean AF with Zocom. Feel like Zocom is at its best when you have random adhock units all over the play pressuring the enemy. Some inf here, some there, few shatts and change to boot. You do it well for example. T2 and at least 3 pronged attack. You just have a death sqaud of Zorca augmenting it while I am not really there yet with my zocom. So more Eco. Mean AF, units everywhere, get fast Ion Cannon it is for me tell I can get my micro on point. Still. Test it out sometime and see what happens. Only way to be sure we arn't missing out. Say 4 Zorca, more eco, T3 just for Ion.
@@masterleafcnc I hate the marv because he is to slow. Slow moving and expensive to get to. And for the 15k tib or so you spent to get him you could have had armies pressuing. I use to be a Marv guy for Z-com but honestly Inf Shat is just to good. BTW still think you need more riffle squads with AP ammo upgrade in the mix especially vs scrin. They hate that shit if 25% of your army's tib comp is AP ammo riffles. Just like Orca make a good poor mans low tier firehawks, think of riffles as poor man low tier zone raiders especially from a tanking perspective. I find they are gross vs Scrin and Black Hand in particular when backed up by a handful of Shatters and some rockets. You would think man spam would win but nah... The shatters splash and the riffles clean. And god help you trying to flame tank rush them. Hmmm come to think of it don't they get heroic commando? That's T3 though... So guess still good. Other thing about riffles and Shatters vs nod is that the shatters will 3 shot scorp tanks and I think 2 or 3 shot black hand inf . But if you watch its 10% life remaining after 2 shots. Its sounds dumb but the riffles in numbers do a REALLY good job of cleaning up making it 2 shots to kill rather than 3. APC does similar but its a build issue out that 1 warfactor Shatters or APC. So the riffles tends to be the way to go. Exact Numbers... you will make 5 riffles per attack squad... try 10 or 12. Its kinda silly.
I have tried so hard to like Starcraft 2 and have spent maybe 100 hours to get to Platinum 1. I don't get why that garbage is so much more successful than C&C3. This game has cooler unit design, better strategy, prettier maps, and so much more!!
I'm a person who is much more familiar with Starcraft than the Tiberium games. Could you perhaps elaborate on the differences in strategy? I'm looking for reasons to keep playing this game, even if only casually.
I agree with the things you are mentioning here. Though one must acknowledge the flaws of C&c. SC 2 is more akin to RA3. Every unit has a secondary ability, together with the supply cap and two resources to manage makes it very micro heavy - which is perhaps why it is so popular in asia / south korea. It is also much more heavily supported because of this player base. World wide it has 400,000+ active players, and it has been polished to near perfection. C&c have always relied on community patches and multiplayer support which is not the way it should be really.
Well you gotta give Blizzard some credit. SC2 runs on a toaster and still looks pretty even with a garbage GPU. I could play that game on high settings on a 2009 laptop. It's very well optimized and looks pretty as well.
I just got sick of the way my game looked at 4k resolution, and tried to look at ways at improving it. Fortunately for me, there's a great modding community in this game and everyone there is very helpful to me. Would be nice to attract some players though.
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I love this game to! And I look forward and appreciate your work!
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>sees Leaf's refinery placement
*Traditions*
I'd love to see you use combat support airfields. Like in that last match, if you'd put one down near the middle Tib field, you could have cut your flight times in half and gone on twice as many attack runs. I've watched a lot of your games where you're advancing an MCV on the enemy and hoped that you would put down a CSA so you could be even more aggressive with your Zorcas.
Senna becoming a great player! 👍good thing about being Masterleafs main practice guy.
Commando can 1hi Titans!? This is why I watch these, you do learn new things! *Liked*
If you kill a Wolverine with AP Ammo in an actual match with a Commando, that should unlock an achievement :D
Also, cheers for the like!
No, it shoudnt, as achievement farmers, like me, had to farm it ^^ Would be pretty epic, though!
I love behind the scenes of the 3rd generation command and conquer games, really makes me sad the xbox version of tiberium wars, kanes wrath and red alert 3 all got shafted with tiberium wars running on 1.01, kane's wrath on 1.00 which is effectively 1.09 for tiberium wars and red alert 3 on 1.00
Your game is looking c r i s p leafy
You like GDI. 🔥🔥🔥
I'd've thought you more of a Black Hand fan, Daenerys
Technically, I like ZOCOM, but yes, GDI is cool too!
@@chavzone
Of course👍
Mine:
1. Blackhand
2.T-59
3. GDI/ZOCOM
Your preferred factions??
🔥🔥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥🔥🔥
@@masterleafcnc your micromanagement is good, ZOCOM Orcas are quite devastating when micromanaged. 💥💥💥💥
@@QueenDaenerysTargaryen hmm!
Probably
1 - Steel Talons, for Titans and oldschool Jugs
2 - Black Hand, for blue flame shenanigans
3 - Reaper-17, for Dev tank micro
It's nice to just play random though tbh, variety is the spice of life
How can I play this game online ? I’ve heard of something called command centre but can’t find
Are there any other casters/players that upload , I'm subscribed to you , bike and sybert but the more kw the better
imagine if bloodhouds gave shatter tanks instead of pits or APCs for Zocom
Oh dear...
I remember they were 2000$ for ZOCOM in patch 1.0, the Bloodhounds power.
Question for you: Been playing Zocom and having trouble both eccoing as I like to (which is as hard as I can generally) while at the same time having an army that isn't 60% infantry Tib investment wise. Wanted your thoughts on going Crane with Zocom. Leveraging that super powerful early and cheap infantry and rocket harvesters advantage vs rush / all ins for a Cane that not only allows for an even more powerful eco opening but I can actually afford to get a second warfactory / use all that damn tib on things that arn't infantry.
Crane Expand with Zocom good or bad vs what? Would be first real question and...
What the hell do I use all this Tib on in your opinion? Currently I just APC, Shat, Inf... maybe some rock head or zorca. But I like to rush as quickly as practical to Ion Cannon and blow up enemy 3rd field if possible, or the harvesters there at a minimum as my form of Zocom artillery and late game advantage.
Kind of a big fan of what you might call "over expanding" as Zocom where I feel like all my MCV does is move to a field, poop 2 reffs, then move to the next before I can really tech with it. Sad / GREAT thing about Zocom is T3 is overacted for the faction so you can kind of just go nuts with the ECO unit spam on T2. But I feel late game is questionable without a swift super.
i think duel airfield Zorca is kind of the way to go for Zocom well except against Nod cause bike buggy, maybe your crane idea might work on them. and yeah just try and keep a big unit mix and get good at using emp grenades. if you got a big eco to burn i would think mammoth tanks and zone raiders combo. mammoths just tank for the raiders and pop anti inf vehicles while the real dps is the raiders
I've tried going crane but I found that one build queue is enough while pumping out units from a barracks warfactory and airfield. You shouldnt need a crane if you expand while making an army. Though, thats my opinion. Mostly everyone else would go multi mcv and go the MARV route and even chuck a Crane in there to accelerate it.
@@masterleafcnc Nah, I feel like Zocom are really powerful on T2 so no need to run T3 all that fast is you don't want to. Just trying to think how to get to that Ion Cannon ASAP while still being mean AF with Zocom.
Feel like Zocom is at its best when you have random adhock units all over the play pressuring the enemy. Some inf here, some there, few shatts and change to boot. You do it well for example. T2 and at least 3 pronged attack. You just have a death sqaud of Zorca augmenting it while I am not really there yet with my zocom. So more Eco. Mean AF, units everywhere, get fast Ion Cannon it is for me tell I can get my micro on point.
Still. Test it out sometime and see what happens. Only way to be sure we arn't missing out. Say 4 Zorca, more eco, T3 just for Ion.
@@masterleafcnc I hate the marv because he is to slow. Slow moving and expensive to get to. And for the 15k tib or so you spent to get him you could have had armies pressuing. I use to be a Marv guy for Z-com but honestly Inf Shat is just to good.
BTW still think you need more riffle squads with AP ammo upgrade in the mix especially vs scrin. They hate that shit if 25% of your army's tib comp is AP ammo riffles. Just like Orca make a good poor mans low tier firehawks, think of riffles as poor man low tier zone raiders especially from a tanking perspective.
I find they are gross vs Scrin and Black Hand in particular when backed up by a handful of Shatters and some rockets. You would think man spam would win but nah... The shatters splash and the riffles clean. And god help you trying to flame tank rush them. Hmmm come to think of it don't they get heroic commando? That's T3 though... So guess still good.
Other thing about riffles and Shatters vs nod is that the shatters will 3 shot scorp tanks and I think 2 or 3 shot black hand inf . But if you watch its 10% life remaining after 2 shots. Its sounds dumb but the riffles in numbers do a REALLY good job of cleaning up making it 2 shots to kill rather than 3. APC does similar but its a build issue out that 1 warfactor Shatters or APC. So the riffles tends to be the way to go.
Exact Numbers... you will make 5 riffles per attack squad... try 10 or 12. Its kinda silly.
I have tried so hard to like Starcraft 2 and have spent maybe 100 hours to get to Platinum 1.
I don't get why that garbage is so much more successful than C&C3. This game has cooler unit design, better strategy, prettier maps, and so much more!!
I'm a person who is much more familiar with Starcraft than the Tiberium games. Could you perhaps elaborate on the differences in strategy? I'm looking for reasons to keep playing this game, even if only casually.
I agree with the things you are mentioning here. Though one must acknowledge the flaws of C&c. SC 2 is more akin to RA3. Every unit has a secondary ability, together with the supply cap and two resources to manage makes it very micro heavy - which is perhaps why it is so popular in asia / south korea. It is also much more heavily supported because of this player base. World wide it has 400,000+ active players, and it has been polished to near perfection. C&c have always relied on community patches and multiplayer support which is not the way it should be really.
It's because EA gave the game trash-tier support post-release. That's the main reason imo
At least there is a community to patch the mess EA left behind
Well you gotta give Blizzard some credit. SC2 runs on a toaster and still looks pretty even with a garbage GPU. I could play that game on high settings on a 2009 laptop. It's very well optimized and looks pretty as well.
Leaf, was your 4K mod inspired by you seeing the success of C&C Remastered in bringing back old players?
I just got sick of the way my game looked at 4k resolution, and tried to look at ways at improving it. Fortunately for me, there's a great modding community in this game and everyone there is very helpful to me.
Would be nice to attract some players though.
@@masterleafcnc lol
"Fine, I'll do it myself"
- MasterLeaf 2020
@@masterleafcnc is there somewhere to download the 4k mod?
I haven’t released it yet, I’m still working on it
I think we could see a lot of interest in another mid-tier tourney, would definitely attract more players and be fun to watch too
Leaf wee need a raytracing Mod seems every other game has atleast a mod these days
I hope this is a joke
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