Can’t believe a coincidence of two red lights saved everyone in rush hour traffic except for the man in the parking lot. Must of been a weird seeing the intersection lights turn red and then a plane crashing in the empty space. Great detail in this video keep it up
Actually in a twist of irony, the red lights saved all those people on the road, but *_that_* is what allowed the wreckage to keep on going and kill that man in the parking lot. If the fuselage had hit the cars on the road, it would've stopped and not proceeded into the parking lot!
The way the video was playing out at that point, I was starting to hope it would end in some sort of miracle where everyone made it out alive somehow. Even though any rational though suggested very much otherwise.
For nearly two years I was in charge of MAC flights in the Navy. I made sure that every pallet was weighed and measured properly, and the weighted total of the cargo was perfect--down to the ounces. I've done a lot of stupid things in my life, but misrepresenting cargo weight is not one of them. My 1149s were always perfect!
The level of integrity between cargo masters in the military and the 36th Street Miami rampers/loaders who barely speak English is night and day. Much of the Miami cargo operators back then were built by drug money, so not much by way of moral compasses there. A former flight mechanic of mine worked at Fine Air up until the time of the crash. There was very shady business going on. Securing cargo is priority #1 for me, I will visually inspect loading ensuring cargo straps and locks are done IAW with loading protocols. I have been known to chew out people who just try to let things go. I have demanded offloads, a re-weigh and a total crew change of loaders before without any hesitation and just wait to get my ass verbally chewed out by my boss. I document everything with pictures, send emails off and never call anyone back. What part of “you think the FAA would like to know about this as an IATA delay or when the NTSB has to show up on the scene of a crash?” Thank you for your service!
I remember this accident. I was a trainnee pilot at the time on B747 at the Miami simulator center. I was in my hotel overlooking the runways and saw the smoke from the accident. This led me to develop safe procedures during cargo transportation for the next 24 years . I am now retired and often think about the airmen who perished . If anything, at least they contributed to increase aviation safety in the cargo world. May they rest in Peace!
I was a driver that went up and down that road once in awhile we had a driver that was going to Amerijet that day we all saw the huge plume of black smoke from the dock and the supervisor started calling the driver to see if he was okay because we knew he was in the area, so from what we understood was a pallet wasn't locked in and rolled back causing the aircraft to pitch up and stall and slam into the ground immediately and of course he was full of fuel the main crash covered both lanes of 72nd Ave and hit some of those stores that were along the road. What was crazy the very next day there was a huge explosion on 836 and we all thought another plane had gone down but it was a tanker truck that had exploded rough couple of days in MIA that week!
Thanks for the additional info. This must've been something else to witness! It's extremely sad to learn about it. Your writing is fine BTW. Have a great day & please be safe!
@@ARedMotorcycle read the story with no issues. And he did use enough punctuation. Go volunteer as a punctuation teacher in a high school if you want to be this anal about it.
The saddest part for me was the man in the parking lot. He just went to pickup lunch for his wife and probably died without even knowing what had happened.
Yes, that was very sad, indeed. It was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently, it was time for the Good Lord to call him home. Yes, it was probably painless. R.I.P., good man.
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It happens. I witnessed delta 191 go down in the freeway as a kid....
@@bobtuda there is no good lord, he’s most likely an alien if he does exist or was quite possibly an ordinary human. Once we find life or even past life elsewhere in the universe, you’ll see
I was a security guard and officer for over 6 years. That sounds just like the kind of incompetence that I dealt with in that industry on a daily basis. Why a security guard was in charge of loading freight I'll never know.
Poor dude in the car was just enjoying life....hoping to see the smile on the love of his life's face when he finally gave her some lunch. Man was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Horrible.
I used to be a serious worrier. When I was 50 I took stock and realized none of the worst things that happened to me were things I had worried about; they just happened. We have to enjoy life until it is no longer possible.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how much effort the flight channel guy puts into his videos I’ve been a subscriber for years now and he’s never let me down
I worked as a ramp agent for Integrated Airline Services at KIAH in 1999 and one of our clients was BAX Global (they used the DC-8's extensively), I recalled the pilots demanding to see the loading chart prior to engine startup and taxing for takeoff. We ALWAYS made sure the pallet clamps secured the cargo in place in their proper position.
@@philipparana9225 41,000 has to be put into perspective though - the DC-8 isn't completely out of service yet, even 20+ years after this accident, even though they stopped being made in 1972. While the airframe was getting a little old, preventative maintenance would have been key.
I remember this and brought back memories. I was working as an aviation technician at quality aircraft parts. We were having lunch outside and heard the boom and smoke. Well done video. Respect to family's.
@@Marsalien100 How is this the pilots fault though? It was anything but the pilots fault. They did gain enough ground to take off (Vr reached), but improper cargo loading messes up the aircraft CG, which then causes the aircraft to pitch to an abnormal attitude upon rotation. This is why the aircraft stalled. Blaming the pilots for this is ignorant. Most pilots would struggle recovering a deep stall at a high altitude, let alone 1000ft above ground. The moment they walk into that fateful aircraft their fate was sealed.
@@Marsalien100 they werd much heavier than the paperwork said, so that is why V1 and Vr were miscalculated. And in those aircraft you can't check the load once it is loaded in. So they could not know the CG problem.
I've watched a lot of these over the last few weeks and the level of terror I now feel knowing that a security guard could be responsible for my death gave me shivers.
How do I turn off notifications for this channel? I had an opinion a few months ago, but, people WON'T leave me alone now! STOP replying to my old comments PLEASE!
Hey everybody I was a doctor for some of the First Responders who attended the scene I had to treat them for PTSD and other mental struggles that they suffer from after seen this crash.
Traumatic stress at that stage, but that is even more distressing than PTSD. (Have had the experience of both more than once.) I hope you are okay - traumatic stress tends to be contagious, just seeing people knocked that far sideways. Everybody absorbs some of the horror.
I already feel a shiver down my spine by looking or watching plane crash footages videos who being captured on camera, can't imagine the horror people who experience it right away or seen them by their own eyes, must be really terrifying.. Btw thanks for your work!
This almost happened to me when I was flying a turboprop night cargo flight out of Edinburgh in the late 1990s. The load was too far aft and when we took off there was an uncommanded pitch up which was near the limits of our control. We eventually reached cruise and the aircraft began to gently oscillate which was strange. I decided to land at Liverpool with a reduced flap setting and looking back, if full flap was used, control would probably have been lost. After taxying onto the stand, the nose wheel strut was completely extended and the aircraft was almost sitting on its tail.
It’s a good video, well made and with sufficient detail, without being overly lengthy. Well done! RIP those who were on the plane and the guy in the car.
I remember when this accident happened and I was at the other side of the airport working. DC8’s are actually great aircraft. Some companies even invested in Replacing the JT3s with the CFM56 engines. The aircraft was fast, efficient and reliable fir its age. But when you cut corners or have a company that was known for pushing a product when they should have not, things go bad really quick. A hard lesson to learn especially for the persons that died. RIP to all that pass in this horrific crash.
@@Vortex__24 I contest this. The earlier sentence implies a meaning that the person (saying the sentence) has never disappointed the channel. So even though it's correct English, the formation of the sentence is wrong. Mostly because the sentence uses two verbs simultaneously, "leave" and "disappointed".
Aborting after v1 is possible and has been seen in TFC videos. It's preferable to lose the plane over losing life but oh well. Airlines care only about money.
What about the two loud “bangs” before rotation? That had nothing to do with the engines stalling in flight due to excessive nose up attitude. What were the loud bangs? Surely they were the cause of the crash?
They were "thumps" not explosive bangs. Thumps are pretty normal on a takeoff roll (e.g. cupboard slamming shut, unsecured binder sliding back into wall).
@@ronwilliams357 Exactly, and this reminds me of National Airlines flight 102. A weight shift occured do to unsecured cargo detatching from the restraining hooks, then the 747 stalled and slammed into the ground.
Yeah. Just thinking about sitting in ur car having lunch and you look out the window to see a wingless, tailless, dc-8 sliding toward you. A horrific last sight that man had.
Imagine skidding on your belly like that. That flight crew would've known they were about to die and there was nothing they could do to stop it. R.I.P.
They actually survived the crash and slide, there was old video from a sc that showed them scrambling to get out, but an explosion went off and killed everyone
I remember this accident very well. I have just retired from the military a few months ago and was working at one of the aviation maintenance facilities located on NW 36th Street. On that day, around 6 PM, I drove by the site of the crash since it was the route that I always took to go to work and return home at the end of my shift. Naturally, there were many signs of the accident around the crash site, however, the traffic kept moving on almost as normally as any other day.
I remember that too. I think the guy just bought the very first Kia sold in Miami and he went to show it to his wife at her place of work when that plane fell on him.
Well evidently your memory sux! I also worked @ MIA for a major cargo airline when this happened not fine air and 72nd. Ave was shut down immediately from 36st to 25st for weeks so you didn't drive by the crash site @ 18:00 that day like you say you did. It took road repair crews weeks to repair the road due to the amount of jet A that was present the aircraft was full of fuel and not all of it burned they had to haul tons of fuel contaminated dirt away per the EPA before they could even start the resurfacing of the road in both North and South bound lanes.
@@afterhourshotrods6882 you’re right, I arrived a week or so after the accident for a new security job in Miami, I was assigned to work at Challenge Air Cargo on NW 67th Ave and NW 36th Street, and NW 72nd Ave was closed down from NW 25th St to NW 36th for a long while. I remember avoiding the area and using Virginia Gardens and Miami Springs back streets to get around from Okeechobee Road coming off of the Palmetto South because I was living in Cooper City at the time.
@@afterhourshotrods6882 I stand correct. It must have been days after the accident when I did pass by the location of the accident and 72nd was opened to traffic. I did pass by the site of the accident at the end of my shift and at the time mentioned.
@@dominicindoubt Should have aborted then and there. It happened so close to V1 maybe they wouldn't have stopped in time but would have probably been a better outcome.
Love the animations and the airport vehicles doing there jobs not to mention the excellent quality of your video's. You must have a beast of a machine. Thank you again for yet another great video and explanation of an air disaster.
This chanel is wonderful..im getting my private pilots license..and i feel safe and more informed of all the dangers involved. The animation is so compelling....and no one talks.
Another great vid. Welp it's been awhile I'm watching your vids, keep it going dude, none of these videos never had bad information bout it, just perfect chanel for aviation lover.
My father remembers this happening, we live pretty close to KMIA. Was a real tragedy. What surprises me though is I've worked in security in various rolls in and around aircraft, at no point have I ever had an active part in preparing an aircraft for a flight. Ive been asked by flight crews after they've done their walk around if I noticed anything unusual before, but never anything more then that.
rip to all souls who vanished that day. and btw you are literally amazing for uploading videos in such high quality like i just enjoy and cant think of anything else to say)))
imagine being that man's wife and reading these comments and seeing some joker being an unfunny, callous jerk. Yes it's too soon, the video has only been up a few hours.
An absolute miracle of God that so FEW died in this devastating crash. Had those factories full of workers been hit probably toll would be 30-100 victims. Even the red lights were in sync. RIP to the 5 Souls lost !
@@generalyellor2187 Clearly, how one defines "miracle" would affect our Interpretation of this occurance. It was a totally human error to load a plane so fatally wrong - mans mistake - that it falls from the sky and potentially causing massive loss of life. It so easily COULD have (numerous other similar Aviation disasters did) resulted in larger loss that we are amazed. A Gracious Intervention indeed - that many would term 'Miraculous' !
@@psalm2forliberty577 I do not wish to insult or denigrate you in any way. I am merely curious! As an atheistic humanist I do not believe that any supernatural power is responsible for deadly epidemics (malaria, the plague, typhus, ebola, Covid, cholera, etc.), deadly medical diseases and conditions, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, lahars, landslides, floods, droughts, cyclones, tornadoes, runaway bush/forest fires, crop failures due to pests and plant diseases, lethal lightning strikes, animal attacks (e.g. by sharks), accidental poisonings, etc. I also do not believe that any supernatural power is responsible for the many cases of mass slaughter, torture, physical and mental abuse, and even suicides that have occurred due to religious beliefs and religious persecution. (Obviously, I believe people are the cause.) Many such events involve horrific suffering, sometimes over very long periods. For each baby who survives an earthquake for many days due to small size and baby fat, many do not. In short, I have never encountered a satisfactory answer to the ancient question: "If there is a god/s, why is there so much suffering?" I also fail to see good in burning people for eternity. Perhaps you can enlighten me? (This is NOT an attack on your belief, which I do not even know, but can only guess at. I have been curious about such questions since childhood, but have never received answers that make sense.)
A friend of mine worked for the company that went to clean up all the Haz Mat stuff and said he saw the guy in the car, he said the guy was in a running position completely burnt and looked like a piece of charcoal just frozen like he was trying to run out of the way when the fire engulfed him in a split second. He said he looked like if you touched him , he would've just crumbled. that's crazy
The Value Jet crash should have been a huge wake up call, that was caused by poor management of cargo loading by a sketchy operation, SabreJet. So tragic.
I witnessed this from the viewing area on the south side of the airport. There is a lot missing from the way the animation depicts the events. I would love to hear from the creators as I could add a lot to the accuracy of the story.
I have literally showed this channel to my cousin to as far as my father and my tusion teacher lmao. And all of them say this is interesting and they like it a lot. They also watch you're videos and now I have showed your channel to 6 of my friends. You're channel is literally an inspiration to my channel. Thank you for making amazing videos and putting so much time and effort just to entertain us. We admire you're work so much!!!
Just wanted to say (as well as your videos being awesome as always) how much better your music editing has got. The transitions between pieces are flawless now.
Whenever I drive by this place, I always think of the lives lost, and the souls that live on as a result of this tragedy. It did not need to happen. ALL accidents are preventable. Until people get this in their heads, they will always cut corners and not follow all procedures.
That's why I developed a fear of flying. I used to love to fly. Now the planes are up tp 26 years old, metal fatigue, unseen cracks, mechanics making BIG TIME mistakes, as well as the re-fuelers. I can go on & on. Flying isn't so much an adventure anymore. Need to build a transporter room like on Star Trek, or a bridge a ross the Atlantic.(huh), that would be a long time coming. Human error is on the rise when it comes to flying. Oh CRAP, the engine FELL OFF !#$#$%%^&&^*)%$@^, steering wheel came down sideways. Planes need to be able to land like a helicopter because of nasty crosswinds.....gee anything I missed here ?? Yeah, Captain just flew out the damn window, hang on to his feet going 300 m.p.h..Oh look there's a 737 coming at us. So just how does one get to Europe these days ????????????????? in one piece?
@@waterbird91 A little extreme but I get it, I have always disliked flying. I do it, but not a fan. I also have noticed the common thread in a lot of these videos.. cutting corners and lack of proper maintenance. Throw pilot error in with it and you've got yourself a recipe for a few major crashes a year.
I am so glad to see you make this video because I have seen this crash on an episode of Air Disasters which is on Season 13 that I own through Amazon Prime Video.
1. That security guard had the wrong manifest. 2. The Loading crew screwed up big time. 3. The load wouldn't have shifted had they followed regulations, and locked it down the way they should have. 4. the whole thing was like putting a 1,000 pound generator in a 200 pound pickup..... tail heavy.
with 3, even if they had used the locking mechanisms, the load wasn't balanced properly. I remembered seeing this crash in greater detail, there was a lot of screw up on this one. The way that some were actually placed, the locking device couldn't fit. They even thought at first it was overloaded when they first learned that the weight of the pallets, even the empty ones used to space out the load, were not figured into the manifest.
Slack to non-existent company operational procedures. Not following regulations then attempting to cover it up immediately after the crash (they were caught red-handed) after FAA security agents found records in dumpsters.
You misdiagnosed a stall; it is not caused by lack of airflow to the engines, it is lack of sufficient airflow over the wings and the angle of attack of the wing to the airflow. This was an aerodynamic stall not an engine failure and caused by rearward centre of gravity which forces the nose too high (the weight is too much to keep the nose down).
The video didn't describe the implications of the change of aircraft. The replacement aircraft was slightly heavier than the one originally planned and would require 900lbs of cargo to be removed to comply with landing limits. The cargo handlers rounded this up to 1,000lbs. The cargo handler operations manager told the security guard to change the pallet loading form to reflect the 1,000lb reduction, and that he would order the 1,000lbs to be removed when he arrived at work. He then "forgot" to issue the order, meaning that the weight and CoG calculations were based on wrong data - NTSB/AAR-98/02
@@lordviator yep I was missing that too. I also wonder why the crew didn’t abort at that moment. Any thump,thud,bang should be considered a reason to abort take-off if possible, which it was at that time.
For the first time they uploaded a crash which I already watched the whole investigation but the video was still incredible and kept me wanting to watch till the end. Amazing work.
I have almost 5400 hours as a C-130 loadmaster and I always checked my load weights, made sure all locks were engaged and that I had an accurate Form F (weight and balance worksheet). If we were a little nose or tail heavy, but within CG limits, I still let the aircraft commander know. And if we were hauling rolling stock I made sure everything was chained down correctly. In 17 years I never had any issues with cargo loading or weight and balance causing any problem.
At that speed, you are typically only going to abort for engine for 4 things: 1. Engine Failure 2. Engine Fire 3. Wind Shear 4. Fear that the airplane won't fly today We can rule out the first three. Was the "thud" due to shifting cargo? This video says no. The cargo may have shifted after rotation, when the pitch increased to 30+ degrees ANU. Was it a compressor stall? I'm not sure. However, that airplane would be flyable with a single engine compressor stall. I might be a little more paranoid if I were operating a big, cargo dog like this DC-8. But a high speed abort has it's risks, as well. I went to college with the accident First Officer, Steve Petrosky. We both entered FIT, in Melbourne, Fl., in 1988, to begin our careers. Good guy. Conscientious Pilot. May he and the others RIP.
According to this report, it’s the security guard that dropped the ball. A person who probably made about 10% over minimum wage. Meanwhile, the high paid personnel had no responsibility in assuring the safety of this flight?.? I’m sure I’m not the only person reading these words remembering hearing how your personal tragedy was explained as “We are so sorry for the loss of your loved one. It was the fault of our employee that was doing their job while trying to earn money to go to college/buy a car/wait for a better job/do something they are interested in ...... but our professional people were too busy to deal with the menial task of checking to be sure this was a safe operation.
@@cogitoergospud1-you missed the point. Lower pay is compensation for less competency than higher pay for higher competency. Most $$$ paid for most competent worker. Higher paid people are more competent, more experienced, more knowledgeable, better educated about the system, and have a reputation to live up to than a person that is “just doing a job that gives him money to get out of his parent’s basement he’s been trapped in for the last 25 years.” I’ll take the former in charge of my safety over the latter .... any day. Otherwise, I’d get my teeth cavities filled by my auto mechanic’s apprentice working after he gets out of high school for the day. Or by you.
Did the NTSB explain what those two thumps were that the pilots heard around V1? I think it was the cargo shifting backwards, throwing the CG aft. How could the NTSB conclude that cargo shifting wasn't the cause of the accident, since they conceded that some of the cargo shifted. They said that happened after takeoff. How could they be so certain?
In their report the said there was "no significant" cargo shifting during takeoff. They didn't say there was NO shifting. They also reported that not all cargo was properly secured. Did not see any explanation of the "thumps" though admittedly have only read conclusions and not the entire report. The major causative factor seems to be the cargo was loaded in such a manner the planes center of gravity was too far aft. I suspect some "insignificant" cargo shifting caused the two "thumps" though at best only aggravated the real problem. www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR9802.pdf
I’ve learned from these videos that many things have to happen for it to go wrong very badly. And sadly this video just solidifies it. There was so many chances to avoid it. Sadly people had to lose their lives for it. RIP to all who died
a lot of people refer to the "everything could go wrong went wrong" type situation when it comes to plane crashes as the swiss cheese model. the holes of the swiss cheese line up to create the perfect set of circumstances for the accident to happen. if you watch pretty much any air accidents (like AA 191) this model is a perfect descriptor for the set of circumstances that had to happen in order for the accident to occur. (also sorry if this makes zero sense i just woke up from a hefty nap)
Wow! the guy just popped out to get his wife some lunch and perished in his car. Damn that's horrific. Always amazes me that, you work for an industry that's sending lives up into the air, in a machine, you'd think people would do their jobs with more care. RIP to all deceased. Didn't need to happen.
I appreciate you Flight Channel man.......the more of these I watch , the more I'm finding out the ground crew is the main problem, then the ATC's... not so much the pilot/FO
That's probably one of the most gut wrenching crashes I have known about.... a crash that could have EASILY been prevented from everyone involed. Unbelievable.
Myself also. I did a lot of commercial travel (solo) as a kid, and I also loved the DC-8!! (and the 707, the 727, the DC-10..etc.) I believe I also flew the DC-9 quite a bit. 🤙🤙🤙🙏🙏🙏😉😉💛
In a “stall” it has nothing to do with the engines, so no, the engines did not stall...a stall is when the Angle of Attack exceeds a critical angle for the wind flowing over the wings.
"the stalled aircraft lacked any forward thrust, rendering the control surfaces useless. The forward-pitching aircraft rapidly lost forward momentum and lift, with its wings cutting the airflow perpendicular to proper lift orientation." This is plagiarized from Wikipedia and it's completely inaccurate. At least read the actual NTSB report if you're going to make a video about it. A "stalled aircraft" refers to a wing stall, not an engine stall (how does a person making aviation videos not know this); the engines continued to develop normal thrust throughout the incident according to the NTSB report.
no, according to the NTSB report the right 2 engines had flames coming out the back of them and had likely suffered compressor stalls due to the pitch attitude of the plane. This is also likely the cause of the plane crashing right wing first.
Can’t believe a coincidence of two red lights saved everyone in rush hour traffic except for the man in the parking lot. Must of been a weird seeing the intersection lights turn red and then a plane crashing in the empty space. Great detail in this video keep it up
Actually in a twist of irony, the red lights saved all those people on the road, but *_that_* is what allowed the wreckage to keep on going and kill that man in the parking lot. If the fuselage had hit the cars on the road, it would've stopped and not proceeded into the parking lot!
The way the video was playing out at that point, I was starting to hope it would end in some sort of miracle where everyone made it out alive somehow. Even though any rational though suggested very much otherwise.
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I would start honking until the air plane parts got out of my way
For nearly two years I was in charge of MAC flights in the Navy. I made sure that every pallet was weighed and measured properly, and the weighted total of the cargo was perfect--down to the ounces. I've done a lot of stupid things in my life, but misrepresenting cargo weight is not one of them. My 1149s were always perfect!
The level of integrity between cargo masters in the military and the 36th Street Miami rampers/loaders who barely speak English is night and day. Much of the Miami cargo operators back then were built by drug money, so not much by way of moral compasses there. A former flight mechanic of mine worked at Fine Air up until the time of the crash. There was very shady business going on. Securing cargo is priority #1 for me, I will visually inspect loading ensuring cargo straps and locks are done IAW with loading protocols. I have been known to chew out people who just try to let things go. I have demanded offloads, a re-weigh and a total crew change of loaders before without any hesitation and just wait to get my ass verbally chewed out by my boss. I document everything with pictures, send emails off and never call anyone back. What part of “you think the FAA would like to know about this as an IATA delay or when the NTSB has to show up on the scene of a crash?” Thank you for your service!
I remember this accident. I was a trainnee pilot at the time on B747 at the Miami simulator center. I was in my hotel overlooking the runways and saw the smoke from the accident. This led me to develop safe procedures during cargo transportation for the next 24 years . I am now retired and often think about the airmen who perished . If anything, at least they contributed to increase aviation safety in the cargo world. May they rest in Peace!
I was a driver that went up and down that road once in awhile we had a driver that was going to Amerijet that day we all saw the huge plume of black smoke from the dock and the supervisor started calling the driver to see if he was okay because we knew he was in the area, so from what we understood was a pallet wasn't locked in and rolled back causing the aircraft to pitch up and stall and slam into the ground immediately and of course he was full of fuel the main crash covered both lanes of 72nd Ave and hit some of those stores that were along the road. What was crazy the very next day there was a huge explosion on 836 and we all thought another plane had gone down but it was a tanker truck that had exploded rough couple of days in MIA that week!
Nice story. Try punctuation next time. Makes it easier for the reader.
@@ARedMotorcycle don't be a smart ass i read it just fine.
Thanks for the additional info. This must've been something else to witness!
It's extremely sad to learn about it. Your writing is fine BTW. Have a great day & please be safe!
@@ARedMotorcycle read the story with no issues. And he did use enough punctuation. Go volunteer as a punctuation teacher in a high school if you want to be this anal about it.
The saddest part for me was the man in the parking lot. He just went to pickup lunch for his wife and probably died without even knowing what had happened.
Yes, that was very sad, indeed. It was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently, it was time for the Good Lord to call him home. Yes, it was probably painless. R.I.P., good man.
It happens. I witnessed delta 191 go down in the freeway as a kid....
@Aero 001*OnLy God-Haters, say Rest in Peace!!!*
@@bobtuda there is no good lord, he’s most likely an alien if he does exist or was quite possibly an ordinary human. Once we find life or even past life elsewhere in the universe, you’ll see
@ on the freeway not in
Brings back memories. Flew for them till 94. Knew the crew. May they rest in peace.
94? Wdym by 94?
@@DC10_AV as in the year.
I was a security guard and officer for over 6 years. That sounds just like the kind of incompetence that I dealt with in that industry on a daily basis. Why a security guard was in charge of loading freight I'll never know.
Poor dude in the car was just enjoying life....hoping to see the smile on the love of his life's face when he finally gave her some lunch. Man was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Horrible.
I used to be a serious worrier. When I was 50 I took stock and realized none of the worst things that happened to me were things I had worried about; they just happened. We have to enjoy life until it is no longer possible.
*ObviousLy, He did NOT KNOW Jesus Christ!!!! BAD THINGS NEVER HAPPEN to ME!!!!*
Minayito, They said she threw the lunch away.
Same with security guard on flight.
They were probably going to get divorced soon, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how much effort the flight channel guy puts into his videos I’ve been a subscriber for years now and he’s never let me down
I agree very much with your opinion people dont understand the work that goes in it
do we have to...sugarplum?
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I so agree
Ever since I stepped foot on. His channel, I loved it
I worked as a ramp agent for Integrated Airline Services at KIAH in 1999 and one of our clients was BAX Global (they used the DC-8's extensively), I recalled the pilots demanding to see the loading chart prior to engine startup and taxing for takeoff. We ALWAYS made sure the pallet clamps secured the cargo in place in their proper position.
R.I.P to the 5 people who lost their lives (4 on board & one on the ground).
Yea I would hate to be the person that died because of a unfortunate parking spot
@@T_sussusmogus he was in the wrong place at the wrong tim
@@ZaneBlaney it was his time, when your time is up, your time is up 😔
@@ZaneBlaney yea ik that’s why I said I would hate to die because if the unfortunate parking spot
R.i.p innocent passenger
I would think aircraft flying with heavy loads like this would be double or even triple checked. Another great upload thanks for all your hard work.
Part of it was that the loaders weren’t properly trained about weight and balance. They just assumed you put the stuff on the plane and off it goes.
@@Powerranger-le4up Should be a loadmaster supervising, where was he?
41000 cycles holy shit
@@philipparana9225 41,000 has to be put into perspective though - the DC-8 isn't completely out of service yet, even 20+ years after this accident, even though they stopped being made in 1972. While the airframe was getting a little old, preventative maintenance would have been key.
@@watershed44 The "loadmaster" seems to have been a security guard.
I remember this and brought back memories. I was working as an aviation technician at quality aircraft parts. We were having lunch outside and heard the boom and smoke. Well done video. Respect to family's.
Absolutely gutted about the wife. That's just ...tragic.
this is a recorded VIDEO GAME! Look again!
They were probably going to get divorced soon anyways.
@@davidscottmaclean5782 wtf man?
@@AsIseeitPattiDail yes but the accident still happened
That's why proper loading of cargo and proper trim setting is must for a safe flight.
Thanks, Captain Obvious!
I fully blame the pilots for this one. They didn't gain enough ground speed to take off safely.
@@Marsalien100 How is this the pilots fault though? It was anything but the pilots fault. They did gain enough ground to take off (Vr reached), but improper cargo loading messes up the aircraft CG, which then causes the aircraft to pitch to an abnormal attitude upon rotation. This is why the aircraft stalled. Blaming the pilots for this is ignorant. Most pilots would struggle recovering a deep stall at a high altitude, let alone 1000ft above ground. The moment they walk into that fateful aircraft their fate was sealed.
@@Marsalien100 they werd much heavier than the paperwork said, so that is why V1 and Vr were miscalculated. And in those aircraft you can't check the load once it is loaded in. So they could not know the CG problem.
@@Marsalien100 Admirable but..mistaken.
I've watched a lot of these over the last few weeks and the level of terror I now feel knowing that a security guard could be responsible for my death gave me shivers.
@@AsIseeitPattiDail and? its a real life event
How do I turn off notifications for this channel? I had an opinion a few months ago, but, people WON'T leave me alone now! STOP replying to my old comments PLEASE!
yeah but i dont think that ever happened
@@rickthecookiegoesmassive2723 this accident was real
@@AsIseeitPattiDail No
Damn that guy in car is in the wrong place and time
But so many others were lucky. When aircraft slam across busy roads tragedy is the order of the day.
Dude it isn't his fault, he was not suspecting a plane to crash, you never know when something will crash, so count yourself lucky mate
@@amanitlas8945 I guess he was not blaming that guy for being there. He just stated that unfortuantely he was at the wrong place at the wrong time
Of course it wasn't his fault, why would anyone think it was?
@@flagmichael yeah, thank heavens the plane didn't hit the budweiser distribution center.
I could tell by the way he was walking that security guard had something to do with it.
I noticed that too, good catch!! He's guilty I tell you!!
That was a funky walk considering the realistic nature of the rest of the video!
@@aggiesjc I almost detected a slight limp? Did you? Seriously watch closely one leg.
🤭
He has dark skin, its him i tell you!!11!
Hey everybody I was a doctor for some of the First Responders who attended the scene I had to treat them for PTSD and other mental struggles that they suffer from after seen this crash.
Traumatic stress at that stage, but that is even more distressing than PTSD. (Have had the experience of both more than once.) I hope you are okay - traumatic stress tends to be contagious, just seeing people knocked that far sideways. Everybody absorbs some of the horror.
I already feel a shiver down my spine by looking or watching plane crash footages videos who being captured on camera, can't imagine the horror people who experience it right away or seen them by their own eyes, must be really terrifying..
Btw thanks for your work!
This almost happened to me when I was flying a turboprop night cargo flight out of Edinburgh in the late 1990s. The load was too far aft and when we took off there was an uncommanded pitch up which was near the limits of our control. We eventually reached cruise and the aircraft began to gently oscillate which was strange. I decided to land at Liverpool with a reduced flap setting and looking back, if full flap was used, control would probably have been lost. After taxying onto the stand, the nose wheel strut was completely extended and the aircraft was almost sitting on its tail.
5 people died thanks to "we've always done it this way"
Due to pure laziness !
Those kind of people shouldn't be anywhere near aircraft.
@@AsIseeitPattiDail it's a re-creation of an actual event in history. That's what this channel does.
It's incredible how such a seemingly innocuous thing as how cargo is loaded can lead to a fatal plane crash.
It’s a good video, well made and with sufficient detail, without being overly lengthy. Well done! RIP those who were on the plane and the guy in the car.
IT'S A RECORDING OF A VIDEO GAME! WATCH IT AGAIN! SHEESH!
This was the worst. I could see the smoke after it happened. I knew Barry Fine from my gym. So tragic.
I remember when this accident happened and I was at the other side of the airport working. DC8’s are actually great aircraft. Some companies even invested in Replacing the JT3s with the CFM56 engines. The aircraft was fast, efficient and reliable fir its age.
But when you cut corners or have a company that was known for pushing a product when they should have not, things go bad really quick. A hard lesson to learn especially for the persons that died. RIP to all that pass in this horrific crash.
I never leave this channel dissapointed.
EDIT: Thanks for the 100 likes
Not proper way of sentence formation. It should be "I have never left this channel being disappointed"
@@kartikeyasingh1907 Actually both terms are correct
@@Vortex__24 I contest this. The earlier sentence implies a meaning that the person (saying the sentence) has never disappointed the channel. So even though it's correct English, the formation of the sentence is wrong. Mostly because the sentence uses two verbs simultaneously, "leave" and "disappointed".
Any sentencr formations are ok. They only mean one thing
Same
The guy in the car that perished is like a scene out a movie, “final destination”
Isn’t it :(, had something delayed him by a few moments he’d be fine minus a car
It’s crazy because he should’ve noticed a plane that size coming towards him. Smh
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Aborting after v1 is possible and has been seen in TFC videos. It's preferable to lose the plane over losing life but oh well. Airlines care only about money.
@@NickDalzell l
I remember this flight back in 97' , the plane flew close to US 826 during rush hour; things could have been a lot of worse that day.
Whatever may be ahead, I must tell you TFC that you'll each great hights. You'll be flawless. Good work
Rip everyone who got involved, anyway everyday that TheFlightChannel uploads is a good day
Yea Rip the everyone innocent passengers
Say when need i do passengers everyone but its not like innocent passengers😂😂😂
This is cargo first maybe or need coming TheFlightChannel its upload
hardest part? "no one survived" on board
@@jj_cars99 yea it hurts to see that
@Don W bruh did you even understand what I meant, I meant to say TheFlightChannel videos are so good every time he uploads its a good day
What about the two loud “bangs” before rotation? That had nothing to do with the engines stalling in flight due to excessive nose up attitude. What were the loud bangs? Surely they were the cause of the crash?
They were "thumps" not explosive bangs. Thumps are pretty normal on a takeoff roll (e.g. cupboard slamming shut, unsecured binder sliding back into wall).
@@ronwilliams357 Exactly, and this reminds me of National Airlines flight 102. A weight shift occured do to unsecured cargo detatching from the restraining hooks, then the 747 stalled and slammed into the ground.
@@ronwilliams357 did you watch the video
excessive noise up attitude is all.
They could have aborted the takeoff
I feel so bad for the man in the parking lot but goodness how lucky that so very few died.
Yeah. Just thinking about sitting in ur car having lunch and you look out the window to see a wingless, tailless, dc-8 sliding toward you. A horrific last sight that man had.
@@AsIseeitPattiDail holy shit the irony in this comment did you even watch the video
@@nykster1014 My apologies! I now understand this channel and I'm addicted! TY! And I'm sorry!
Don't forget security guard on flight. RIP all.
Imagine skidding on your belly like that. That flight crew would've known they were about to die and there was nothing they could do to stop it. R.I.P.
this is a recorded VIDEO GAME! Look again!
@@AsIseeitPattiDail yes. Recreating an actual event. Idiot.
@@AsIseeitPattiDail 🤦
They actually survived the crash and slide, there was old video from a sc that showed them scrambling to get out, but an explosion went off and killed everyone
@@AsIseeitPattiDail do you think all the details in the video are just made up? like for fun?
I remember this accident very well. I have just retired from the military a few months ago and was working at one of the aviation maintenance facilities located on NW 36th Street. On that day, around 6 PM, I drove by the site of the crash since it was the route that I always took to go to work and return home at the end of my shift. Naturally, there were many signs of the accident around the crash site, however, the traffic kept moving on almost as normally as any other day.
I remember that too. I think the guy just bought the very first Kia sold in Miami and he went to show it to his wife at her place of work when that plane fell on him.
Well evidently your memory sux! I also worked @ MIA for a major cargo airline when this happened not fine air and 72nd. Ave was shut down immediately from 36st to 25st for weeks so you didn't drive by the crash site @ 18:00 that day like you say you did. It took road repair crews weeks to repair the road due to the amount of jet A that was present the aircraft was full of fuel and not all of it burned they had to haul tons of fuel contaminated dirt away per the EPA before they could even start the resurfacing of the road in both North and South bound lanes.
@@afterhourshotrods6882 you’re right, I arrived a week or so after the accident for a new security job in Miami, I was assigned to work at Challenge Air Cargo on NW 67th Ave and NW 36th Street, and NW 72nd Ave was closed down from NW 25th St to NW 36th for a long while. I remember avoiding the area and using Virginia Gardens and Miami Springs back streets to get around from Okeechobee Road coming off of the Palmetto South because I was living in Cooper City at the time.
@@afterhourshotrods6882 I stand correct. It must have been days after the accident when I did pass by the location of the accident and 72nd was opened to traffic. I did pass by the site of the accident at the end of my shift and at the time mentioned.
Loud Bangs before rotating is the bird itself yelling "Abort Takeoff!"
They can't stop takeoff after passing a particular speed and distance on runway.
@@lazy4549 v1 speed
What caused them, one was before V1??
There was a bang before the V1
@@dominicindoubt Should have aborted then and there. It happened so close to V1 maybe they wouldn't have stopped in time but would have probably been a better outcome.
Love the animations and the airport vehicles doing there jobs not to mention the excellent quality of your video's. You must have a beast of a machine. Thank you again for yet another great video and explanation of an air disaster.
The most heartbreaking line : "No one survived"
yeah the hardest thing you have felt when these lines say
It's so sad. 😞
@@osamabinladen824 irony 💀
Even worse when the people on board aren't really to fault, and simply trusted the ground crew too much
@@leojennings2438 true
This chanel is wonderful..im getting my private pilots license..and i feel safe and more informed of all the dangers involved. The animation is so compelling....and no one talks.
Another great vid. Welp it's been awhile I'm watching your vids, keep it going dude, none of these videos never had bad information bout it, just perfect chanel for aviation lover.
vid vids? You are guilty of using unnecessary abbreviations. What did you do with the time you saved? Are you too hip and cool to use proper English?
My father remembers this happening, we live pretty close to KMIA. Was a real tragedy.
What surprises me though is I've worked in security in various rolls in and around aircraft, at no point have I ever had an active part in preparing an aircraft for a flight. Ive been asked by flight crews after they've done their walk around if I noticed anything unusual before, but never anything more then that.
rip to all souls who vanished that day. and btw you are literally amazing for uploading videos in such high quality like i just enjoy and cant think of anything else to say)))
Imagine being that guy’s wife and hearing, “Ma’am, your husband was struck by a plane”
Wife: "Wasn't he in the parking lot?!"
Police: "he was, and the plane was there too"
imagine being that man's wife and reading these comments and seeing some joker being an unfunny, callous jerk. Yes it's too soon, the video has only been up a few hours.
Bruh...Imagine you're sitting in your car eating a sanwitch when all of a sudden a fucking commercial flight comes in your direction 🤣🤣🤣
@@Marsalien100 how do you know it was a sandwich. That's a helluva an assumption to make.
@@CoIoneIPanic yeah it could have been noodles.
RIP to those who lost their lives 🌹💫
Beautifully done video as always, music always give me goosebumps.
This is a recorded VIDEO GAME! YOU were fooled!
An absolute miracle of God that so FEW died in this devastating crash. Had those factories full of workers been hit probably toll would be 30-100 victims.
Even the red lights were in sync.
RIP to the 5 Souls lost !
Had there been a miracle, none of this would have happened at all.
@@generalyellor2187
Clearly, how one defines "miracle" would affect our Interpretation of this occurance.
It was a totally human error to load a plane so fatally wrong - mans mistake - that it falls from the sky and potentially causing massive loss of life.
It so easily COULD have (numerous other similar Aviation disasters did) resulted in larger loss that we are amazed.
A Gracious Intervention indeed - that many would term 'Miraculous' !
I shall keep thy lights red for when the plane shall pass. Joel 3:8
@@geoffcarlton4047
Now that's a CREATIVE paraphrase Bro
@@psalm2forliberty577 I do not wish to insult or denigrate you in any way. I am merely curious! As an atheistic humanist I do not believe that any supernatural power is responsible for deadly epidemics (malaria, the plague, typhus, ebola, Covid, cholera, etc.), deadly medical diseases and conditions, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, lahars, landslides, floods, droughts, cyclones, tornadoes, runaway bush/forest fires, crop failures due to pests and plant diseases, lethal lightning strikes, animal attacks (e.g. by sharks), accidental poisonings, etc. I also do not believe that any supernatural power is responsible for the many cases of mass slaughter, torture, physical and mental abuse, and even suicides that have occurred due to religious beliefs and religious persecution. (Obviously, I believe people are the cause.) Many such events involve horrific suffering, sometimes over very long periods. For each baby who survives an earthquake for many days due to small size and baby fat, many do not. In short, I have never encountered a satisfactory answer to the ancient question: "If there is a god/s, why is there so much suffering?" I also fail to see good in burning people for eternity. Perhaps you can enlighten me? (This is NOT an attack on your belief, which I do not even know, but can only guess at. I have been curious about such questions since childhood, but have never received answers that make sense.)
Kind off topic, but love the music after the plane crashes.
Which is the track?
That's not off topic. It's a comment about the video in the comment section... And I agree, it's good.
Glad I'm not the only one
I do too. I also like when the music changes right before the crash.
A friend of mine worked for the company that went to clean up all the Haz Mat stuff and said he saw the guy in the car, he said the guy was in a running position completely burnt and looked like a piece of charcoal just frozen like he was trying to run out of the way when the fire engulfed him in a split second. He said he looked like if you touched him , he would've just crumbled. that's crazy
Thanks again for this amazing upload. Your editing keeps on getting better!
Next time when am on the road and I see red traffic light switch on, I will smile and wait patiently.
Only a year before this, there was another crash out of Miami. Valujet.
I remember that day. That crash was due to a faulty cargo, except that plane was full o people...
The Value Jet crash should have been a huge wake up call, that was caused by poor management of cargo loading by a sketchy operation, SabreJet. So tragic.
@@sarahalbers5555 The Value Jet was actually in May 1996 - my mistake, so yes - that should have been a wake up call back then already.
And the EAL 401 crash that happened 15 years prior, it was due to pilot loss of awareness
haven’t watched the entire vid yet but i know it will be good.
Same, I liked it immediately first before watching 😂
@@josephallen3072 yes,this video deserves one million likes
I agree with you two and theres i clue look at the smithsonian Channel and look at engine n 4 there flames coming out the engine
I probably missed something but the 2 "thumps" occurred before rotation. Was it the cargo shifting? Or something else?
@@smcdonald9991 Probably
I witnessed this from the viewing area on the south side of the airport. There is a lot missing from the way the animation depicts the events. I would love to hear from the creators as I could add a lot to the accuracy of the story.
interesting...did they contact you...
I have literally showed this channel to my cousin to as far as my father and my tusion teacher lmao. And all of them say this is interesting and they like it a lot. They also watch you're videos and now I have showed your channel to 6 of my friends. You're channel is literally an inspiration to my channel. Thank you for making amazing videos and putting so much time and effort just to entertain us. We admire you're work so much!!!
Man you're so good thx for this wonderful video
I have been waiting so long for this video,you are the best,TheFlightChannel!!!!
This channel always makes my day better. Even when I’m depressed and lonely, I watch his videos.
get a life
@@mikestone3673 ok
Just wanted to say (as well as your videos being awesome as always) how much better your music editing has got. The transitions between pieces are flawless now.
Whenever I drive by this place, I always think of the lives lost, and the souls that live on as a result of this tragedy. It did not need to happen. ALL accidents are preventable. Until people get this in their heads, they will always cut corners and not follow all procedures.
It’s the “won’t happen to me” mentality. It’s unfortunate so many accidents could be prevented if people followed procedures correctly
@@Jesse30621 you are absolutely right! 👍
lesson learned, if you hear wierd sounds from the cabin during takeoff you DON'T takeoff.
What a sad loss of life & completely avoidable. Too many cutting corner practices !!!
That's why I developed a fear of flying. I used to love to fly. Now the planes are up tp 26 years old, metal fatigue, unseen cracks, mechanics making BIG TIME mistakes, as well as the re-fuelers. I can go on & on. Flying isn't so much an adventure anymore. Need to build a transporter room like on Star Trek, or a bridge a ross the Atlantic.(huh), that would be a long time coming. Human error is on the rise when it comes to flying. Oh CRAP, the engine FELL OFF !#$#$%%^&&^*)%$@^, steering wheel came down sideways. Planes need to be able to land like a helicopter because of nasty crosswinds.....gee anything I missed here ?? Yeah, Captain just flew out the damn window, hang on to his feet going 300 m.p.h..Oh look there's a 737 coming at us. So just how does one get to Europe these days ????????????????? in one piece?
@@waterbird91 A little extreme but I get it, I have always disliked flying. I do it, but not a fan. I also have noticed the common thread in a lot of these videos.. cutting corners and lack of proper maintenance. Throw pilot error in with it and you've got yourself a recipe for a few major crashes a year.
I am so glad to see you make this video because I have seen this crash on an episode of Air Disasters which is on Season 13 that I own through Amazon Prime Video.
1. That security guard had the wrong manifest.
2. The Loading crew screwed up big time.
3. The load wouldn't have shifted had they followed regulations, and locked it down the way they should have.
4. the whole thing was like putting a 1,000 pound generator in a 200 pound pickup..... tail heavy.
with 3, even if they had used the locking mechanisms, the load wasn't balanced properly. I remembered seeing this crash in greater detail, there was a lot of screw up on this one. The way that some were actually placed, the locking device couldn't fit. They even thought at first it was overloaded when they first learned that the weight of the pallets, even the empty ones used to space out the load, were not figured into the manifest.
Slack to non-existent company operational procedures. Not following regulations then attempting to cover it up immediately after the crash (they were caught red-handed) after FAA security agents found records in dumpsters.
i remember seeing you comment on tommys show all the time lol its a small internet i guess lol
I don’t know how you do this, or even how you learned to do this. I can say without reservation that this is my favorite disaster channel
You misdiagnosed a stall; it is not caused by lack of airflow to the engines, it is lack of sufficient airflow over the wings and the angle of attack of the wing to the airflow. This was an aerodynamic stall not an engine failure and caused by rearward centre of gravity which forces the nose too high (the weight is too much to keep the nose down).
A superior contribution, as always TFC!
I miss the normal flight videos you used to make- those were so fun to watch, these just give me anxiety😂
The video didn't describe the implications of the change of aircraft. The replacement aircraft was slightly heavier than the one originally planned and would require 900lbs of cargo to be removed to comply with landing limits. The cargo handlers rounded this up to 1,000lbs. The cargo handler operations manager told the security guard to change the pallet loading form to reflect the 1,000lb reduction, and that he would order the 1,000lbs to be removed when he arrived at work. He then "forgot" to issue the order, meaning that the weight and CoG calculations were based on wrong data - NTSB/AAR-98/02
Hmmm so what caused the 2 ''Thumps'' that were heard just before Rotation and then again at V1?
4:56
Thank goodness it's not just me wondering that. I feel like I missed something on this one.
Yeah, what were those bangs? Did they have anything to do with the accident?
@@lordviator yep I was missing that too. I also wonder why the crew didn’t abort at that moment. Any thump,thud,bang should be considered a reason to abort take-off if possible, which it was at that time.
I'm more curious as to the source of confirming the crew heard those thumps. The crew was not available for interview afterwards.
For the first time they uploaded a crash which I already watched the whole investigation but the video was still incredible and kept me wanting to watch till the end. Amazing work.
This is probably why the US Air Force does not have MP's acting as Load Masters.
Right?!
I have almost 5400 hours as a C-130 loadmaster and I always checked my load weights, made sure all locks were engaged and that I had an accurate Form F (weight and balance worksheet). If we were a little nose or tail heavy, but within CG limits, I still let the aircraft commander know. And if we were hauling rolling stock I made sure everything was chained down correctly. In 17 years I never had any issues with cargo loading or weight and balance causing any problem.
@@AlaskaErik that's a great work horse !!
@@AlaskaErik I'm sure the pilots and crew appreciate your conscientious efforts! Job well done!
Oddly enough, I have a brother who used to be a load master and a brother in law who's an MP. I couldn't see them trading.
Your content is by far superior to that of television shows like Mayday. Keep up the great work.
Fantastic job! Always has me coming back for more :)
As always, an incredible video made with the utmost respect for the people involved who died. Thank you, @TheFlightChannel!
*But IF they Knew JESUS, NOTHING BAD wouLd have Happened to them!!!!*
@@gunownersmostarecowards9757 Ummmmmm....that is so terribly insulting to the followers of Christ who experience tragic deaths every day.
@@kristita_888*Thank You, soooo Very Much in ActuALLy GETTING the Point!!!*
*I am Proud to say that I just Gave You your First 2-Votes!!!!*
@@kristita_888*I Do Hope that you GOT, more INSIGHTS to ReVile!!!*
@@gunownersmostarecowards9757 okay.
Hears loud thud 4 seconds before V1. Captain: "I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that" Second thud. "Meh"
After the first thud, I was thinking "ABORT ABORT"
At that speed, you are typically only going to abort for engine for 4 things:
1. Engine Failure
2. Engine Fire
3. Wind Shear
4. Fear that the airplane won't fly today
We can rule out the first three. Was the "thud" due to shifting cargo? This video says no. The cargo may have shifted after rotation, when the pitch increased to 30+ degrees ANU. Was it a compressor stall? I'm not sure. However, that airplane would be flyable with a single engine compressor stall. I might be a little more paranoid if I were operating a big, cargo dog like this DC-8. But a high speed abort has it's risks, as well.
I went to college with the accident First Officer, Steve Petrosky. We both entered FIT, in Melbourne, Fl., in 1988, to begin our careers. Good guy. Conscientious Pilot. May he and the others RIP.
Your videos are great! Keep up the work!
Came here early and R.I.P to all those people who got involved in these crashes. 😭
*OnLy Haters of GOD, ever say RIP!!!!*
Thank u for a superb job of this channel in making these videos!
According to this report, it’s the security guard that dropped the ball. A person who probably made about 10% over minimum wage. Meanwhile, the high paid personnel had no responsibility in assuring the safety of this flight?.? I’m sure I’m not the only person reading these words remembering hearing how your personal tragedy was explained as “We are so sorry for the loss of your loved one. It was the fault of our employee that was doing their job while trying to earn money to go to college/buy a car/wait for a better job/do something they are interested in ...... but our professional people were too busy to deal with the menial task of checking to be sure this was a safe operation.
So lower pay entitles you to act incompetently? Hmmm. Hope that attitude works out for you.
@@cogitoergospud1-you missed the point. Lower pay is compensation for less competency than higher pay for higher competency. Most $$$ paid for most competent worker. Higher paid people are more competent, more experienced, more knowledgeable, better educated about the system, and have a reputation to live up to than a person that is “just doing a job that gives him money to get out of his parent’s basement he’s been trapped in for the last 25 years.” I’ll take the former in charge of my safety over the latter .... any day. Otherwise, I’d get my teeth cavities filled by my auto mechanic’s apprentice working after he gets out of high school for the day. Or by you.
He did but it was determined that his error wasn't significant enough to cause the crash.
I guess giving someone the title of "security guard" comes with much lower wages that the more accurate title of "loadmaster".
wish you had a billion of your posts ! you're work is so GOOD !!!
Strange to see passenger windows on a cargo jet. Was this initially a passenger jet then converted for cargo purposes?
Yeah, I was thinking that too
Yes, it was originally an Eastern aircraft and subsequently flew for JAL.
Did the NTSB explain what those two thumps were that the pilots heard around V1? I think it was the cargo shifting backwards, throwing the CG aft. How could the NTSB conclude that cargo shifting wasn't the cause of the accident, since they conceded that some of the cargo shifted. They said that happened after takeoff. How could they be so certain?
In their report the said there was "no significant" cargo shifting during takeoff. They didn't say there was NO shifting. They also reported that not all cargo was properly secured. Did not see any explanation of the "thumps" though admittedly have only read conclusions and not the entire report. The major causative factor seems to be the cargo was loaded in such a manner the planes center of gravity was too far aft. I suspect some "insignificant" cargo shifting caused the two "thumps" though at best only aggravated the real problem. www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR9802.pdf
I’ve learned from these videos that many things have to happen for it to go wrong very badly. And sadly this video just solidifies it. There was so many chances to avoid it. Sadly people had to lose their lives for it. RIP to all who died
There was a mini glimmer of good luck. Luckily both lights at the intersection were red.
a lot of people refer to the "everything could go wrong went wrong" type situation when it comes to plane crashes as the swiss cheese model. the holes of the swiss cheese line up to create the perfect set of circumstances for the accident to happen. if you watch pretty much any air accidents (like AA 191) this model is a perfect descriptor for the set of circumstances that had to happen in order for the accident to occur. (also sorry if this makes zero sense i just woke up from a hefty nap)
I like the way you now put some of the script on the terrain
Wow. Life is precious. R.I.P to those who passed from this terrible accident.
The quality of your videos is next level!
Wow! the guy just popped out to get his wife some lunch and perished in his car. Damn that's horrific.
Always amazes me that, you work for an industry that's sending lives up into the air, in a machine, you'd think people would do their jobs with more care. RIP to all deceased. Didn't need to happen.
Keep up the awesome work tfc
Can't wait for your new upload every thursday morning!
I appreciate you Flight Channel man.......the more of these I watch , the more I'm finding out the ground crew is the main problem, then the ATC's... not so much the pilot/FO
I always hate to hear of lives lost over something so avoidable.
*Yeah!!! Like the IraK WAR was sooooo AvoidaBLe!!!!*
It's a recording of a damn VIDEO GAME! LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND DON'T BE DUMB!
That's probably one of the most gut wrenching crashes I have known about.... a crash that could have EASILY been prevented from everyone involed. Unbelievable.
Jesus. Imagine your spouse going to the mall, and then the police show up to tell you they were killed in a plane accident.
Found your channel a few days ago and been binge watching a lot of videos keep up the great work.
DC-8 was one of my favorite planes .
Myself also. I did a lot of commercial travel (solo) as a kid, and I also loved the DC-8!! (and the 707, the 727, the DC-10..etc.) I believe I also flew the DC-9 quite a bit. 🤙🤙🤙🙏🙏🙏😉😉💛
@@sueloo8305 Wow, you're lucky , I've only flown on Airbus A320 , 737 Boeing and once in 747-400
Keep it up #tfc you never disappoint!!😊
In a “stall” it has nothing to do with the engines, so no, the engines did not stall...a stall is when the Angle of Attack exceeds a critical angle for the wind flowing over the wings.
Turbine engines can absolutely stall- commonly referred to as compressor stall resulting in little or no thrust.
I love every videos of this channel
Its like im watching a Movie/film.
Watched it within first 5min uploaded. Achievement unlocked 🔓
This is what scares me, a plane crashes just after takeoff, when the ground checks stated the plane was fine
"the stalled aircraft lacked any forward thrust, rendering the control surfaces useless. The forward-pitching aircraft rapidly lost forward momentum and lift, with its wings cutting the airflow perpendicular to proper lift orientation."
This is plagiarized from Wikipedia and it's completely inaccurate. At least read the actual NTSB report if you're going to make a video about it. A "stalled aircraft" refers to a wing stall, not an engine stall (how does a person making aviation videos not know this); the engines continued to develop normal thrust throughout the incident according to the NTSB report.
no, according to the NTSB report the right 2 engines had flames coming out the back of them and had likely suffered compressor stalls due to the pitch attitude of the plane. This is also likely the cause of the plane crashing right wing first.
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