I'm still trying to figure out why my bathroom had the original 40-year-old putty in the shower drain . I'm more inclined to believe that putty problems come from a bad installation. Not bad putty .
How is he water testing something unless it would be the next day. Putty all day.
@@koleenjoi21 high quality silicone caulk is water ready in 30 mins it says on the label, and in this application you could turn on the water right away and it would be fine due to how hydrophobic silicone is, 30 mins is for caulking the tub etc
Putty has been used for YEARS! I tend to think I was the installer instead of the product!
Why don't you Americans use NBR/EPDM seals like everyone else? I would never use 'silicon from a tube' as a permanent seal for such a critical point.
Silicon is for tiles cause behind the tiles is another water barrier.
Lack of concrete, too much flex, not tight enough.
Use plumbers putty on everything except solid surface. Been a plumber since 1995, never had a single issue with putty.
I’ve always used the same. My father was a plumber for 35 years, and he swore by it.
I’ve actually had worse experience with silicone, mostly because it takes too long to set up.
Silicone does not adhere worth a crap when any parts of the sink drain is damp. I have had to redo plumbers work. Having to replace the failed silicone, I went back with putty. Yes, over time the putty does dry out. But it doesn’t shrink and expand as silicone does. Also the plastic and metal parts do not allow the silicone to adhere and frequently will fail to seal the water out. I was a handyman for 43 years. Bathrooms and kitchens I renovated in the 1980’s still haven’t leaked.
If you noticed the notches in the threads and wondered what their purpose was I'll tell you. That style drain comes with specific instructions to NOT use putty or any sealant when installing the drain. Those notches are too allow water to seep between the threads into the drain around the lip on the collar. The sealant blocks the notches holding water around the top of the drain where it eventually leaks around the rubber seal. They redesigned them to have a thicker rim because the old drains would Crack from overtightening because the rim was tapered thin to give a smooth transition and the thick rim catches water on top therfore needs grooves to pass back into the drain.
Weep holes or channels huh? Just like an old ceramic tile drain. Which most people never notched the pan liner to accommodate for draining.😂
Interesting! Thank you for this comment. Lots of people including me have been pointing out that putty will last decades when properly installed.
100% disagree, there are so many other factors with that set up causing the failure. Anything that flexes, is going to have a problem over time.
Wing tite drains solves this issue. It moves with the flex but still provides a seal.
Here’s the thing though-the plumbers putty is just the first line of defense. The rubber gasket between the pan and the drain throat or really what seals the drain from leaking. From the ease that you took that thing out, the installation is to blame, not the putty. Who ever installed that didn’t tighten it enough.
But good on you for the repair
Spot on. You can install that without any putty or caulk and it won't leak. A propress fitting on a hot water line doesn't leak and is only sealed by rubber
You're exactly right. Another way they leak is because of misalignment. No matter how easy it is to align the parts, some "plumbers" just can't get it right.
Good old silicon making it hell for the next guy
Shouldn't be a next time when you use silicone mines going on 23years no problem 😊
Agree with you, some people believe that silicone will hold it for ever, but as a residential plumber, is a complete hell taking those out of anything, sinks or showers, end being more expensive for the clients
@@karimemmanuelhernandezlope3257seriously dude? It’s not that big of a deal. If the silicone is stuck on there good all you have to do is get under the sink or tub, put a pair of channel locks on the underside of the drain and twist. Comes apart no problem 100% of the time. Then an extra 5 minutes to clean the remaining silicone off. Not a big deal at all. I set all my drains with silicone and I’ve serviced many drains that had been set with silicone by the last guy. Service plumbers will always find a way to complain.
So if it's not plumbers pudy and not silicone, what else should he use?
@@Dudjrkfjjffjkffu you think all the plumbing problems are the same huh? Some of those waste and overflows are very old and guess what, they sealed them with silicone; put a pair of channel locks and you will see how it gets destroyed, moreover, I found a kitchen sink with silicone that was leaking due to age and guess what happened to the sink once I was able to take the drain tube? Exactly, they had to replace the whole sink since the drain tube broke it and deformed their sink 💀💀💀
The paper towel joke was comedy gold 😂
What joke the like was from cleaning the puddy and cleaning the area the two were for wiping the excess silicone off which like he said smears usually making it a pain to clean up but he says with the spray he only needed to wipe twice where’s the joke
And when the silicone starts to leak, pray you don’t need a new tub after you try to cut it out
Bruh it’s silicone not super glue. Idk what’s up with these comments about it being permanent
@4thGenPlumbing you clearly haven't had to remove silicone. That shit may as well be super glue.
@@charlesking678 Yes, if the silicone is on the outside like bathroom corners, not very hard to remove. But if you put it in between the threads on a seal.. hmmm
@@charlesking678 it's not hard to remove silicone. Much harder to repair a ceiling with water damage. All plumbers here are baffled by comments like yours, that should tell you something...
In my experience Silicone peels off in one piece, like it was never attached. Gotta be super dry before you use silicone. I use putty and use enough for it to ooze out around the drain , and peel away the extra.
Never in a million years would I have expected Cilla Black to make an appearance on a plumbing channel 😂
The random "Surprise! Surprise!" From Cilla Black was perfect 😂
It's called a garbage shower drain. If you use a quality brass drain you won't have that problem.
I was going to say the same thing. Been a Kitchen and Bath installer since 1994. Use quality drains and putty unless I see the sticker that tells me not use putty then I use The other rubber type of sealant the one that smells like paint thinner not like silicone that smells like vinegar. Also set the shower receptor or tub in pearlite plaster over 1/2 hardy backer glued and screwed to the sub floor. And Putty will last a LONG time I have removed cast iron tubs from 100+ year old houses that the putty was still sealing and working just like it did 100 years ago when it was installed.
Don't we use hot water in sinks too? Plumbers putty is just fine. Some putty is better than others too. Silicone is okay too. Plumbers gonna plumb.
Caulk is never a good idea to use on a sink drain unless it’s going to be demolished soon afterwards
100% silicone "caulk" works excellent. Still has to be applied correctly, as does putty...
And to this day here in california that's what every plumber uses. When I play foreman, we use nothing but one hundred percent silicone, On a cleaning drive surface. We'll last over a hundred years.
I just had the same problem. I won't be using plumbers putty again!
Real plumbers use "plumber's putty"
I prefer silicone too. I use the 30 minute stuff but still wait a day.
I’ve taken out toilets from the 40’s that have hand formed plumbers putty as wax rings so installation is key, when properly done with good putty there’s no way I’d put my trust in silicone over it.
How about using the rubber seals or gaskets that should come with the part?
There is no seal for the top side in the box, only the bottom seal(s). That's why you use either puddy or caulk
Lol!!!!! That's what I always refer to it as well lol later hahahaha. Yea advanced silicone has worked the best for me
Nice work ima stop using putty and start with silicone
I’m not a “plumber” but I have done a ton of it and I’ve never had an issue with putty
If for no other reason, he nailed the install for comment engagement... If he used putty comments would have lit up with siliconers... silicone install lit it up with puttyers...
No matter what... People can't resist saying something about something...
and now I've contributed to the algorithm...
Hahahhaha "I only used 2 papper towels" 😂 that was great!
Are you able to remove the drain later down the road if you use silicone?
Why is the drain edge so high ??? The edge was flush before.
I can tell you’re young and think you know better than the older guys. You’ll learn in time.
So, hot water causes the plumber's putty in shower drains to dry out but the plumber's putty in every kitchen sink I've ever serviced isn't similarly affected? Please. That drain had some problem besides plumber's putty.
😂 bruh thw drawing definitely an hvac guy cracking one on a plumber
Noting the drain and piping is pvc, obviously the plumbers puddy isn't gonna adhere well much less if you're gonna use the puddy use some silicone to act as a barrier
Didnt believe the whole plumbers putty issue until i had to change a basket strainer FOUR times.
Yeap I repaired my upstairs shower using putty, and 6 months later had to silicone it😅
because you have no idea what your doing...the putty doesnt go on the threads SMH -
I've been doing plumbing for 28 years and I never ever used silicone on drains as a matter of fact I've repaired leaks because silicone was used by others
That drawing was 100% hvac 😂 I was doodling on shit too
Funny you may not like it but in the state I live in it is a Code Requirement that you use plumbers putty , you can not use silicone because if you have to pull the drain you now can not due it with out damaging the pan .
Don’t give people bad info , you have to go by the plumbing code of that state not what you feel like .
That's not the putty it's the fact that wherever put the freaking shower in didn't set it in mortar. By the looks of that drain that you took out it's a no caulk drain to begin with
You’re right, silicone will flex more then puddy we don’t seem to have any issues with silicone so it’s been our go to for a while now.
@@4thGenPlumbing just today I took out a basket strainer that was siliconed to the sink leaking like a bastard. I replaced it using putty and properly installed it
There are tricks from us old guys when using putty will last a long time
If something is leaking from silicone they obviously didn’t do it right 😂 our company only uses silicone and have never had issues with it…
This gotta be a trolling plumbing video. If used correctly plumbers putty will last for decades. Trust me , been doing it for almost 40 years. Never had tube of silicone in my truck ever.
Common problem I see with Puddy is when it’s installed cold it doesn’t allow it to compress all the way when it finally reaches room temperature of the threads are loose again
Oatey says abs material is not compatible with putty so use silicone. Maybe that shower base has abs coating.
using the wrench to unscrew the drain inlet impressed this electrician. 👍👍
If your knew what you were talking about there would be a lot more leaks across the country. Fact of the matter is there are millions of homes that have had putty sealing the drain for almost a decade if not longer. The most important this is to not use it sparingly like the way you used that silicone.
I think you’re trying to insult me? Not sure I’m very confused by this comment
@@4thGenPlumbingyea this comment hurt my brain. The first sentence is saying since you don’t know what you’re talking about there aren’t very many leaks across the country. 😅
That’s really not what he said. If you break it down it’s easily understood what he’s saying. But the argument of putty vs silicone, I’ve removed leaking silicone drains, others have removed leaking putty drains. I say I’ve never had a leak on putty and they say they have never had a leak on silicone. To each their own. If it don’t leak then At the end of the day it’s another satisfied customer able to use their shower again.
Can't wait to fix it and charge extra for "improper" repair.i do 12 silicone swap outs a month on average when I'm running plumbing calls(25yrs plumbing)
Replaced the garbage disposal in my sink years ago, and used putty. Hasn't leaked one bit in over 5 years.
From the looks of the stain it’s very dry in there. It’s not the hot water cracking the puddy,it’s the lack of moisture. puddy is supposed to stay moist and only cracks if it drys up. Still only use it for resi Lavs and kitchens. Silicone>>
Fiberglass or plastic showers are notorious for flexing when you stand in them. Because of this and the combination of hot water the puddy eventually squishes thinner and the drain gets slightly loose.
I tried using silicone in my kitchen and bathroom sinks. They lasted less than 10 years. I went back to plumber's putty and no problems yet.
Lmao that towel bit got me 😂
A lot of people try to say that the next guy will have a hard time removing the silicone. What my defense is there won't be a next time if you use silicone
Depends on what you are using it on. Never use silicone to seal toilets or facuets. Caulk only under toilet. Putty under faucets. Silicone is fine for shower drains.
I've been a repair plumber for 21 years.
nah its ok...some of these videos I get a good kick out of, but I would never let you on my job site LMAO @@4thGenPlumbing
These comments help me do my own plumbing thanks. Nothing is leaking
I’m not a plumber but I’ve used plumbers putty every time I’ve had to do drain repairs on sinks and tubs over the last 20 years. To this day I’ve never had any problems using it.
I’m with you bud I never use puddy I do service, constantly fixing leaking puddy drains
Pipe dope on base gasket and a hair on threads use plumbers putty do rough ins and service it holds full test every time...I can guarantee you I have fixed more silicone seals than putty.
Thank you for the spray trick. I always hate using clear silicone. It seems to be harder to clean up. I will try this next time.
Silicone huh....
The putty being all up in the gaskets and not in the thread doesn't mean it failed. The installer failed.
Ive had much better longevity with putty over Silicone. With the temp swings it always pulls away after a few months
In europe Silikon needs to be 24hours without touching water.. and the plumbers putty in the US seems to be very cheap because we dont have any Problems with it
His little trick of course makes it easier and faster for him to install and clean up, but it also ensures that the caulk will degrade from the chemicals he wiped into it before it cured, and thus he will get repeat business to fix the drain seal when it leaks later.
There’s no exposed caulk after we tighten the drain down. Go back to Reddit, incel
I think the shower/tub flex’s it’s better to use silicone 👍
Last place I expected to see Cilla Black, on an American plumbers UA-cam channel 😂
I have always used putty and no issues. Then last year I installed a new Fiberglass bathtub and the tub manufacture said use Silicone. Probably has to do with what the tub is made of.
I use tape and then trim it back to where I don't want it. So after I install everything I remove the tape and it takes the excess silicone with it leaving a really pretty line behind
I have been remodeling homes for over ten years and I have never used channel locks like that before. That's crazy. Will have to remember that one
Much of the better option, depends on the drain style being used. Materials and shape can play a serious role in the best gasket option.
lol before the video even started the first Thing popping into my brain, was an argument over putty being used on showers
Silicone is best!!!
I hate plumbers putty! I've used it a few times but hate it. Plumbers putty never last. I'm not a professional though . Just been fixing things from when I was a kid to maintenance at a nursing home for 10 yrs and maintenance at a college after that.
Use both. Just don't use putty on acrylic tubs etc as it can soften and discolor the acrylic.
Two paper towels my ass! Looked like a whole friggin roll😂😂😂😂
little tip for you: silicone IS the greatest- but if you want you cleanup to look flawless? use rubbing alcohol. it cuts the silicone like water cuts latex paint.
Why Noone has said they use putty to install then after it's tight use silicone to seal around the edge of drain.
Strong work boss! Stay on it
Plumbers puddy by definition is "job security" for crony tradesmen 😂
👍👍👍👍👍
I've had a shower drain with plumber's putty for 30+ years and not fail.
Pro tip for silicone removal when caulking use foam window cleaner without ammonia it removes silicone like latex caulk.
Never had plumbers puddy fail on me
Nothing better than a rubber.
If you pack a shit ton of plumbers putty on it works like its supposed to if its not working u didnt put enough evenly
I can't say I ever use putty or silicone. A gasket is all it should need. Anything else and you're doing it wrong or using cheap parts.
Putty isn't the problem. Guys who use silicone is!
So how does plumbers putty mess up with hot water in showers but not in kitchen sinks?
Does silicone have to cure first before running the water or right away ?
Looks to me like there was no rubber gasket on the underside.
What about the 12 to 24 hour cure time for silicone? How are you going to check for leaks? and if you run water, you’ve contempt contaminated your silicone
Plumber's putty always on the kitchen sink silicone in the bathroom. I've used silicone on the basket strainers before and have had poor results with it. One time I let the silicone set up for about 30 minutes to form its own like RTV style gasket on the underside of the basket strainer and that worked all right but the silicone just gets pushed out too thin.
So if that top flange breaks, the next plumber will catch hell removing the strainer.
How bout do brass vrs plastic next
Good trick is leave some painters tape around the drain so the silicone has time to dry
How long should let that silicone dry before exposing to water?
Urm wtf, we use neither. Our fitting come with a soft silicon like seal. Job done, no mess
Finally, someone who doesn't use ancient outdated techniques
What type of silicon did you use
If you buy the right drain you should not need either one.
Why don’t they remake plumber’s putty to function properly?
Caulk fails to. You have to remove all foreign substances from the surface of what the caulk seals to plus water proof since in water a silicone based product is recommended but the product has a life span. Keep it easy to fix😎😎😎
Gotta love all the clueless handymen commenting. Putty is not compatible with most plastics and is not compatible with fiberglass or acrylic shower/tubs.
Nyc plumber commercial kitchen restaurants I only use silicon
I've been doing IT for 20 years and this is not the way you reinstall an operating system.😊
lets just forget the part where the plumbers putty only hold water in the pan, the black gasket seals the body to the shower base. Also that's nowhere near enough putty, when used properly its much better than silicone.
Yeah but I think when the putty crumbles away the rubber gasket stops sealing. So either silicone or nothing for us
"I only needed to use 2 paper towels using this tr-" *Camera pans over to a heap of paper towels*
That cleaned the putty not his silicone.😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Man I just spent 5 mins trying to pause and read the bottle, looked it up wondering how and why it helps with Silicone clean up to find this comment lmao.
lol exactly my thoughts
I think he meant rolls…
@@keith5309I usually use windex. It works pretty decent