Christopher Ward SH21
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- An in-depth look at Christopher Ward's SH21 movement. I provide background info on the SH21 and its development, a visual look at three watches housing the SH21, technical visuals and discussion of serial versus parallel double barrel mainsprings, and macro views of the SH21 and three watches. The watches include the C1 Morgan Aero 8, C1 Small Seconds, and C8 Power Reserve, all COSC Chronometers. #watchreview #horology #watchmovement
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Fascinating and illuminating discussion. Your demeanor, videography and overall presentation are outstanding! I now have a deeper appreciation for a brand I already love. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words and glad you got something out of it :)
Another great detail dive. I feel like the more I know and “understand” a movement and the intricate parts inside, the more I’m attracted to the watches that they go inside. Makes a special connection, helping me “better appreciate” the watch as a whole.
Glad you enjoyed the in-depth view. They are amazing things :)
A genuine and detailed introduction on the CW Calibre SH-21! A concise description on the gear train part👍🏻
thanks for watching!
Excellent, thanks again for one great and in-depth video. Also gotta say those SH21-movements are just beautiful!
Thanks so much! And yes, they are wonderful movements.
Fabulous work - thanks so much for this, just subbed. hope to see more of these kind of videos going forward, I love discussions on movements and technical data. I hope you start doing 4k videos for maximum detail on the closeups. I did get a christopher ward a few years and I honestly wasn't too impressed as there was a bit of dust in the dial and it really wasn't finished great, but it wasn't one of their more expensive ones- I have heard good things about their C1 Morgan Aero 8 Chronometer.
Awesome, thank you! Glad you're around.
I own 3 CW watches with no issues. Should just send it back as they have the 60:60 guarantee. I am really happy with my purchases, the more I learn about watches the more I realise how good they are for the price.
Great video. Love the in depth review of the movement design. It was very informative. If you have another video comparing and contrasting the twin barrel (series vs parallel) I would love to see it.
Hi. Thanks for watching :) maybe a video on that in the future!
Totally enjoyed the video. Content was different and look forward to more.
Really glad you liked it.
I really hope that CW will create smaller watches with the SH21 in the future. After my first watch that is about to arrive, a Nomos Club 741 with DUW3001 caliber, I really want a diver with SH21 in it. Really want to reward CW for this awesome movement.
Thanks for this review!
Glad you liked the review. As for the size, the Morgan is only 40mm diameter and 11.5mm height. What size did you have in mind? They do put it in some divers, but the fact they are divers means a little more size...
@@WatchComplications Nothing wrong about 40mm cases and so on, I understand that a 40mm case fits almost everyone tastes but I can't wear watches with >38mm diameter with a thin bezel. >38mm with >45/47mm lug to lug looks very bad to me.
Fair. Based on the size and layout of the SH21, I think ~40mm might be the minimum case size. CW has made some nice 38mm watches with other movements (I have one), but given the SH21 has the twin barrels, I'm not sure I could see that happening. Unless they modify it in some way.
@@WatchComplications That said I'll go for a nice - new - manual wind from CW with a small case. Could die a little bit happy.
Great video. I Love my C1 Small Seconds.
Thanks! And yup, it's a great watch :)
Love the C1 Morgan Aero. Where exactly is the CW clearance site? I don't see on their page.
Oh man, me too. One of my favs. The clearance page is only visible during their sales.
Great technical breakdown on the SH21! Does the manual wind verison have overwind protection? Or can you overwind the barrels and break a spring?
You can overwind the manual SH21. If you go past the limit, you'll snap something!
Hi! Where were you able to purchase these watches at a discount? I’d love to pick one of these up for myself
on the Christopher Ward website in their clearance sales.
Nice video. My friend I have one question.Can you tell me which system (parallel or serial) is better and why?
Well I discuss some of the details around 19:20 in the video. I'll answer this like I answer most questions, whether is watches or programming (e.g., what language is better). It depends...on the goal of the overall design. Mechanically, I would give the edge to serial, since you can have a full power mainspring, less contact with the minute wheel, but it will result in a thicker movement and thus a thicker watch. Parallel double springs can be a little thinner since less gearing is in play, but because of the parallel force on the minute wheel the power of the springs is halved. Serial can usually result in a longer power reserve. Each has pros and cons, but at the end of the day it comes down to the goal of the watchmaker.
@@WatchComplications I know that two mainsprings barrels helping to avoid the loss of amplitude after 24 or 48 hours (parallel or serial).That means better accuracy. The two barrels are used to give a more efficient torque and power delivery system. But on the one hand in parallel you have more constant power source, more efficient distribution, this tends to even out the torque and you have more accuracy. On the other hand in barrels in serial the power ratio remains much more even over time,meaning the power delivered is much more stable within the first day or two after full winding. Also loses much less energy on the first day compared to those with one barrel or parallel and after its third day that power losses start to affect accuracy. This makes for a far more stable movement. Of course as you mentioned in serial you have longer power reserve. These are some opinions that I have heard or read but I am very confused because the don't clarify which system has the best accuracy. Thanks for your response!
You've picked up on some of the other nuances of this particular scenario and the use of more than one barrel. But, I will also remind that even if one method is considered more "accurate" than another...there are so many variables when it comes to overall timekeeping accuracy, from oil to hairspring, that it can be a waste of clock cycles to worry too much about it. But it does provide a fun conversation :)
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
ironic they call a small seconds the complication. Center seconds used to be considered a 'complication' had to be spec by the customer
yeah, in the Watchee app we included central seconds as a complication for that very reason. :)
I'm new to the watch world, is this movement automatic or a wind?
this example is what’s called a manual, or hand wound movement. there is also an automatic version of this movement in some of their watches.
Don't understand how they have only 27 jewels My diver has 31 with only a date complication?
Jewels will vary based on the bridge and plate designs and where they want to add "efficiencies" given the complications to achieve COSC certification.
@@WatchComplications My diver's cosc sh21
A view from the UK. I really hope you have not been seduced by the Grand Seiko spring drive. This watch is a Quartz watch and should not be compared to a wholly mechanical movement. It is a Quartz watch that has an electrical generator inside constantly charging a battery in it & being driven by a conventional automatic winding weight.
All of Seiko's advertising and promotional effort has always been to put it up there with the likes of Rolex, Omega etc., to try to obtain some "Reflected Glory". Please refrain from falling into this trap.
Hello and thanks for the view and comment. I'm quite familiar with the construction of the Spring Drive and it has its own ingenuity in terms of mechanical meets quartz. I wouldn't say something like a Rolex is better or GS is better, they're just different, each with their pros and cons. As brands that rely on marketing and promotion, companies like Rolex and GS do the same thing. I have both and enjoy both.
@@WatchComplications I do not dispute anything you say, it is just that the two are not compatible timepieces. Their way of operating is totally different. Just because the Seiko has gears in it does not make it a mechanical watch. Just to let you know, i have never seen it compared to a Casio, Sekonda, or a Citizen watch, funny that, i wonder why? To me, the GS is yet another Japanese novelty, their love of miniaturisation.
While i am on, the reason i found your channel was because i have been searching and searching for comparisons of watch movements. My quest was started when looking for a new watch and wanted to know why the Rolex was so expensive to say an Omega which is about a third of the price, was it that it had a superior movement. Every totally mechanical watch has a movement obviously and i assume some are better than others. I have come away from here with the impression YOU will know. Can you highlight areas of a watch movement that will point me to a superior build? The point you made here regarding the gear train evening out the torque was very informative. Thankyou in anticipation.
I get that you are considering good movement design. But it's also hard to talk about your example the reason that "Rolex is more expensive than Omega is that it has a superior movement" because that's a blanket statement for the companies. My point is which specific Rolex versus which specific Omega, because each company has a variety of movements through history. Rolex has some movements that are better quality than Omega and vis versa, depends on what's being compared model to model. Rolex also has really good marketing. As for areas of a movement that highlight a superior build, that can come down to a few things. If we are talking about actual timekeeping, then you'd want to look at the barrel to escapement design. Superior movements are often thought of in the sense of what complications are in play, their specific implementation method, and how that relates to overall watch size and design.
@@WatchComplications Thankyou for that, most enlightening. So much so i would like to challenge your "point". Firstly let me clarify, i am talking about current models. Are you telling me that the movement is different in various models of the Rolex Submariner range, or the Omega Seamaster range? Are you saying the Rolex day/date movement can differ in its range? The Omega Constellation too? You allude to my query by saying both have good and not so good movements. I'm wanting to know is that "better movement" worth 3times the price. As someone who is promoting his expertise on here i thought you would know. If the answer you give - and i expect, that the movements in all of these high end watches have little to differentiate them. I also understand your diplomacy sir. I am looking for a timepiece that is of understated quality, any recommendations?
Yeah I was simply stating that the movements can differ across the various lines. Like comparing an OP to a Speedmaster, it's an apple and and orange. But I'm assuming your sort of thinking of more comparable models between companies, and they're generally good movements from a functional standpoint. If you're asking if I think something like Rolex Sub is overpriced, then yeah it's overpriced for what it is. If you want suggestions of understated quality, then that answer will vary based on your price point. What initially comes to mind are some German brands like Glashütte Original, and then a long list of pretty solid german watch companies.
What puts me off CW is that they seem to be stuck in a permanent state of identity crisis.
there has been some of that, but I get the feeling they are settling down as of late...
@@WatchComplications Its like they have a different logo every year, and they aren't very consistent with their designs or even the design language.
Right now, I can look on their website and there are at least 5 variations of the logo.
They seem to try and churn through as many different designs as possible, without every really sticking to it or a particular design lasting very long.
SLAVA 2427 and SLAVA 2428.