Peter Hitchens: don't keep Lucy Letby in prison just for procedure's sake
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As a (now retired) RGN I was strongly admonished by my wife when I said at the time she had been thrown under the bus.
Never let a doctor take the blame when you can drop a nurse in it. Not the first time and wont be the last.
Yes nurses are always jealous of doctors, especially the lazy ones who get reported
You are everywhere saying this! I'm wondering how many of the immense number of pro Lucy, mostly faceless accounts are just Lucy.
@VoiceOfReason-z6z don’t be silly she’s in prison (for the whole of life) and not her accounts
Isn’t that the truth
@ more likely McDonalds Innocence project bot farm
If my baby had been one of those involved I would 100% want the truth. I think the parents are being used as an excuse here by authorities who don’t want the case reopened for whatever reason.
very likely the parents of the deceased babies will sue the hospital
There definitely needs to be a retrial for the integrity of the judiciary because some of the nonsense that went on definitely wasn’t a fair trial.
@@Ace48239 Exactly. They can't sue her, can they?
shameless
I do not believe we need a retrial This conviction should be Quashed Lucy Letby is 100% NOT GUILTY Please in the name of British Justice Release Lucy this week if not today
Even if they tag her to her parents house Lucy deserves that after the ordeal she has suffered
Until they can order her conviction to be Quashed
Having lost two children myself, I would not wish to see anyone convicted incorrectly and would accept the need for an appeal, as distressing as that may be.
oh no. Vaccines?
They haven’t seen all the evidence , all the case notes , all of the forensic and lab reports , all if the police interviews and witness statements , all the transcripts of the trials of which about 35% are in the public domain . They haven’t spoken to the doctors and other staff involved
Babies who are putting on weight , thriving and some ready to be discharge do not die of natural causes and not one had an infection . They had sudden , unexplained and unexpected collapses and deaths .
Richard Baker KC told the inquiry an audit by Liverpool Women’s Hospital found that a "dislodgement" of breathing tubes occurred in 40% of the shifts that Lucy Letby worked on there. Dislodgement of endotracheal tubes is less than 1% .
These people have not a clue .
So would any normal person
@@joycejnnso the worlds top scientists have no clue?
The law MUST go by teh evidence and facts.... no matter where they lead...if the evidence and facts show her to not be involved iwth those babies deaths, then she should be released forthwith and compensated financially and an inquiry instigated...
Nurse of 20 years. There was raw sewage coming through the sinks. Why didn’t the doctors shut that ward down as soon as they saw that? Says all you need to know about the sheer incompetence of those in charge. I don’t know if she’s guilty but there is a lot of evidence that those in charge were completely negligent.
Yes shocking as a nurse couldn’t understand this one !
Covering their arses, typical
I’m an ICU nurse and I’ve been following this for a while. It’s *always* been fishy AF and this presser today was truly shocking. The problems were OBVIOUS - my god, how you could MISS sepsis and think it’s air embolism is beyond belief.
Totally agree. I’ve said this and the majority of people think it’s not relevant. Yeah, I mean raw sewage around premature babies, what could go wrong?!
There is no evidence that sewage had anything to do with the babies during Letby's time on the ward. This is another myth of a small plumbing problem that had been dealt with years before.
You don't keep an innocent woman in prison to keep the families happy.
they do in britain
They kept Julian Assange in a high security prison for 8 years just to keep the US happy.
you do keep guilty ones in though
She is now officialy in our eyes illegaly detained,you cannot argue with this panel of experts.No crimes against babies ever happened.Therefore an innocent woman is being held illegaly.She should already have been released.And as far as the families,who have lost their babies are concerned,My guess is they will be happy to finaly know the truth.And maybe even some of them will call for lucys release ASAP.
@@christopherhines2718 Only thing official is you are officially certifiable.
Why are these journalists arguing the toss with one of the worlds most leading neonotologists?!
Incredible!!
Are these the same "experts" that told us the vaccine was safe and effective, if you think Letby is innocent you're delusional
Because they think they know it all 😢
It's going over their heads ... she asked some really dumb questions.
Idiots
Absolutely agree … discussion towards end is beyond belief.
Dr Shoo Lee is adament. Experts like this don't put their reputations on the line like this.
It doesn't mean that they are correct. Adamance and sincerity are not a reliable heuristic.
As Dr Evans demonstrated
@@georgeholloway3981 Dr Shoo Lee did not ''presented new evidence''he just read what already been in a court papers! But not presented to jury!
Their should be cameras in hospitals and care homes!!!!
@@georgeholloway3981 then any retrial should bare out the truth, no ? I can’t understand why people have an issue with a retrial if only to give the public confidence in the judiciary
Dr Shoo Lee “if this happened in a hospital in Canada that hospital would be shut down”
The worst bit for me was where he said one of the baby deaths was preventable by simply giving anti-biotics and the doctor failed to recognise signs. These are the same doctors Breary and Jayaram who could have been those who failed in this regard and who were attacking Letby at trial. This whole saga is really disgusting and typical NHS.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 I still can't understand why the doctors weren't investigated when they were the ones accusing Lucy.
@@ukguy from Mr Lee’s comments today, the doctors skills were well below highest professional standards for neo-natal care.
If the Shoo was on the other foot
@@13thnotehifireviews7that why they where at the DoC, content to stay there in abominable conditions and not move to a tertiary or better run hospital. They would have been (edit) outted in weeks
And let’s not forget that management where trying to move at least two of then out because of the number of complaints and at least four potential legal cases against them
When someone is convicted of such awful crimes without any actual evidence it should set off alarms with everyone. Having watched the full press conference I am staggered at the industrial scale epic incompetence of all concerned in bringing this trial in the first place. I hope that Lucy Letby will be released as soon as possible and that the legal establishment does not try to protect its own backside by dragging their feet due to legal 'difficulties'. Once again, multiple key bodies of the establishment have failed in an appalling way. Shocking.
I, too, watched this. The experts need to be listened to
Thank you Mr Hitchens for using MS in front of Lucy Letby's name and not use just her surname - a demeaning ploy by the gutter press
The presenter goes on to say how the babies were very ill. Exactly. No murderer. Hospital failings and very ill, vulnerable, tiny premature babies - not a safe mix.
she looks evil
@NapWinter
Your obviously not aware that her mugshot was photoshopped are you?
If you get chance to look at the original, she looks scared and upset
@ I've seen it. I wouldnt trust her with a bag of jelly babies.
... and the prosecution insisted that they were stable and ready to go home.
@@KingBee24 Yes!
We can't sentence an innocent woman to life in prison so as not to upset the parents of these babies. I am sure none of these parents would want an innocent woman to be punished.
Exactly ! If I was one of those parents I’d want to know whomever is accountable is being held responsible.
The problem is, if Letby is found innocent, it's on the Hospital.
That's why the Hospital want Letby to be the scapegoat.
Times presenter being a fascist Government shill again I see.
She’s guilty
The NHS only cares about itself
@@raymondosullivan1958 Oh well thats it then case closed if a random person on Yt says it is so😂
There appears to be something fundamentally wrong with the conviction of Lucy Letby
The presenter seems to be missing one very important point - reasonable doubt.
I’ve noticed when women are asked about this they shut down and won’t ponder any alternative situation
There's multiple presenters in this video. Which one?
They do in the UK as Ramsey said, but then have released a lot of people on the eve of them committing atrocities and the authorities plead unreasonable doubt so not to offend certain cohorts.
If it’s impossible to prove she did it, LET HER GO
There was no conclusive evidence. Just a national witch hunt gas lighted by the NHS and press.
Yes right NOW,
well it is just a little bit impossible to prove she did it,If in fact there were no baby murders or attempted murders.You cannot argue with that panel you will lose.So will the CCRC,and the appeal court.So yes she should be going home without delay.So further detention of Lucy Letby is illegal,and its false imprisonment.She should be now a free woman and able to go home.I think the govenment should step in!They can do that.And they are already late.maybe we have to put pressure on them.
This is not something that is going away. The Free Lucy campaign has become an unstoppable force, and her release is only a matter of time. Better to let her out now and argue the toss afterwards.
The Lucy Letby case is so reminiscent of the horrendous miscarriages of justice in the Lucia de Berk and Sally Clark cases, both caused by deficient, to the point of negligent, use of statistics.
The justice system is LAZY
She's just been found guilty of attemoted on Baby. K & she admitted to some of the others. Case closed, she needs to do her time.
@TheAntsNest no. You did that to the baby
Doesn't add up for why multiple cases ONLY involved her and not any other nurses on her ward! Think again!
Nice to see the lawyers making money out of misery
Letby was a patsy. I always thought she was innocent..
I remember a criminal profiler on BBC received huge backlash and had to change his position that Lucy does not fit the profile of a murderer, he wasn't convinced
David Wilson?
@kellywilson8449 yes that's him
I remember that. I think he said that as far as he could see, all the evidence was circumstantial.
Other criminal psychologists have commented that she shows signs of psychopathy and narcissistic personality disorder. Her accessor said she lacked empathy and didn't have the expected qualities of a nurse. Guilty.
Wilson is a tabloid level contributor. He's not at the level of David Canter for example.
It’s been obvious for some time that Letby deserves a retrial. This case has shattered my confidence in our justice system. Absolutely disgraceful how it’s been handled.
How has it been "handled"?
@@georgeholloway3981 the defence not having any expert witnesses for a start.
You had confidence before? Where have you been, on the moon?????????
@@boxtradums0073 Well reported that defence expert witnesses do not exist because to do so is to invite the total destruction of one's career.
@@terencefield3204 well the Chinese doctor plus others put their neck on the line yesterday so I’m sure they’ll testify in any retrial
I think the biggest arrogance always comes from those who were certain of guilt and all too willing to believe that a serial killer was more likely than incompetence and negligence.
People afraid to lose face
Despite The fact that incompetence and negligence was far more likely... blind faith is completely wrong, and dangerous in any legal system
That a woman did not receive a fair trial should be front page news.
And that has been clear since the trial.
Spot on ! I’ve never understood the ego involved when it comes to admitting you are wrong or were duped. I’ve always seen both as opportunities to learn.
This 100% deserves a retrial and if she done it then a retrial will prove it. Too many seem emotionally invested in this and fail to see that the real issue here is confidence in the judiciary. If she’s guilty or not doesn’t affect my life but a competent judiciary might.
@boxtradums0073 100%
She needs to have a retrial. Her convictions are not safe. Appeal court does not want to give an appeal because it would be very embarising for the CPS and court of appeal . This Miss carridge of Justice is really disgraceful. In the past, imminent doctors have been wrong in their diagnosis and evidence . And this has come to light many years later. You cannot get back thouse years for someone who is innocent.
IT IS not experts that are needed, let the parents speak. AS a mum you know who is not acting right around your babies. I wont buy her story until a parent will trust he rand a mother speaks out and defends her about premature after care. babies died, fighting for their last breath to live a life. somebody somewhere took that away from them. who was removing their fight for life if she wasn't doing her shift. LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT WAS REMOVED. Ask the parents what they witnessed, ask a parent would they leave their babies in her hands again?. let the parents speak, stay silent and listen. the parents now dont have a voice, I sure that all of you have had an experience when the NHS now is incompetent. but dying Premature babies is off. Anyone defending her you leave your children with her because I Certainly WOULD NOT.
Did you listen to any of the news conference? Its the doctors and consultants you want to keep babies and young children from.@alishap3131
Not a retrial, but re-investigation!
* miscarriage
* eminent
* those
Dont be ridiculöus. The parents are not medical experts
In 2022 an inquiry into the deaths of over 200 babies at a midd staffs maternity hospital found catastrophic failures by the NHs trust. "She was a scapegoat"
I don’t always agree with Peter Hitchens but he isn’t a “yes” man thank goodness. Well done to him.
15 life sentences for doing overtime 😟
Yes you are spot on lol,
There must be serious legal consequences against all those involved in case LL is exonerated.
Aye for sure they need to go to jail for lying in court .. perverting the course of justice 🎉
Well can you imagine the cover ups that are now going to happen in that NHS trust. The fact we have the thirlwall enquiry still going nonsenses our political and judicial systems.
@13thnotehifireviews7 we must push for severe punishments against all those involved including the police and the CPS. In case she gets exonerated.
@@nickdandel5314 we should but I doubt that will happen
@13thnotehifireviews7 it could happen if there are enough voices and tremendous pressure.
I found the presenter extremely rude and ignorant to what was being said by Dr Sho. Reading from a screen without actually listening and adjusting your position doesn’t make for good content.
She's useless
He didn't give direct answers at times as he wanted to keep the answers for his press conference. She asked him very directly if he believed that Letby didn't do it and he didn't say "Yes" or "No" so she asked again. That's not rude
If she's innocent which nurse in her right mind would want to work with babies again
She won't.she will still never be trusted.
@@melgrant7404I think they mean nurses in general. Proves how easy it is to link front line staff to deaths if someone wishes to do so.
@@melgrant7404I think you've misread the original comment. What nurse would want to work with babies, if there's a risk of so easily being accused of infanticide
@mrjackbenny I don't think it's going to affect any one else.the nursing profession isn't going to disappear because of one case.
@@melgrant7404 you're free to agree/disagree with the original comment, just pointing out its meaning.
Free Nurse Lucy Letby today and investigate the management of the hospital and ward!
@@DinoNairobi So if they put the gang of four in prison would you lot be crying for them to be released?
she wrote it down in her diary and kept weird momentos. why are you forgetting this?
@@alfydarkdeadly ABSOLUTELY. Saying that she was evil.
She was told to write in this way by psychiatrists supposedly as a therapy. Then took those statements as evidence. Recheck facts before considering these “statements” of guilt.
@@robinfautley8698 take your own advice.
In the 15 hours of her being interrogated on trial she never once said she was told to write it down
That was never in her defense.
But now magically it is?
He said "How can you positively know she is innocent". The same argument applies with her guilt? Quite simply, there is no evidence that she committed any crime.
Except 7 dead babies she killed
@@RockHunter-v7j 7 babies died from natural causes and poor care. If she had murdered them, there would be at least a smidge of physical evidence, but there is none. It's all conjecture and witch-hunting.
@@RockHunter-v7j You mean 7 dead babies the consultants killed.
@@RockHunter-v7j Oh, so you witnessed her killing them?
It's disgusting to think babies die and nobody knows what killed them and they don't test to find out.
I’ve listened to so many experts on this case and to me this case is very unsafe
Have you watched Dr G on UA-cam .A clinical psychologist from the US
@ I haven’t is that about this lucy letby case
@Ben-x8l1s yes. Try to watch it if possible
your experts are all garbage. Maybe you havnt noticed
I came here after watching this adult baby storm out of an interview with Alex O’Connor. This curmudgeon’s opinions shouldn’t be trusted. Having witnessed his inability to discuss a topic he wrote an entire book on, this baby with a beard, should be admitted.
It's better to let a guilty person go free than convict the innocent! I'm not sure I like the opinionated line of questions from this presenter.
Are you kidding???
But then remember that Lord Denning was one of 18 judges that said the Birmingham Six were to remain in jail even if they were not guilty. Compare that case to see how long it takes some judges and police forces to get at the truth. 15 years for the Birmingham Six and £6 million was vertically paid out as compensation to the Six.
@pidgeonator-2-peckment-day No, are you? If there's doubt as to her guilt, then she's not guilty!
@@MakeWhatYouCan Just because there's doubt does not mean she's innocent. Having said that, it's not Lucy Letby's job to prove her innocence. It's down to the prosecution to prove she's guilty which is now questionable.
@@kaninchenemwb Actually, "beyond reasonable doubt" is the exact terminology used. In a court of law, if there's doubt, there can not be guilt, only innocence. Learn before you speak, just a suggestion!
I've watched the press conference then found this!
It's quite funny listening to the hosts when you know more than they did at this point in time.
Go and watch it! It's well worth the time.
Exactly
Judiciary seem to be frequently deficient when it comes to complexities of science, technology, medicine and statistics…
Seems a lot of Doctors and senior staff were keen to explain away their terrible care stats. Dimwitted lazy policing only too happy to oblige
They're not call "plod" for nothing...
they aren't very likely to win nursing ward of the year with a serial killer on their payroll are they?
Well put, Virtualal.
The panel of experts published hundreds of peer reviewed studdies between them .
The police expert ZERO published studys .
Says it all
Getting life in prison, you all need to make damn sure she did it. There are to many questions, speculations and problems surrounding this case. What if she did not do it?
She stepped on his explanation of why they disagree with the prosecution's analysis. He was trying to explain that physiologically, an embolism introduced to the venous system would be extremely unlikely to cross into the arterial system, and that the symptoms cited as "evidence" of foul play, would not apply. At least I think that's what he was getting at, she Kindle cuts him off.
I watched the press conference. Being a nurse I had many questions over the medical evidence or should I say concocted stories presented at trial with many unanswered questions… well let’s just say after listening to the conference this morning I think those consultants who’s gross medical negligence accused lucy should be not just removed from medical practice but face justice! The amount of really catastrophic mistakes they made were unforgivable but to get their own bad practices out of the lime light they decided it was better to accuse a nurse and go after her like some sort of Salem witch hunt taking and ruining her whole young life is criminal ! They can literally never repay the damage they have done effecting many lives . Obviously forgot their oath to do no harm .. the only person they kept that oath for was themselves. Absolutely disgusting and vile .. each and every one of them is a disgrace to the profession. They made huge errors and didn’t even know medical knowledge that med students are thought ! Never mind what you’d expect the expertise of a consultant to be . Wasn’t one of the a “celebrity dr “ that really went in to law it on after the conviction based on 0 science ! Good luck with anyone trusting your medical opinion after this !
I watched the press conference too. Thank goodness Dr Soo Lee came forward and researched the conditions of all the children concerned. No one wants to see an innocent person persecuted and jailed.
It's a small price to pay for cultural enrichment, don't you think?
I think her main accuser was a celeb dr, she had reported someone or bullying. Not sure if it was him, but revenge comes to mined, because her bully is her accuser.
She did not have a clue what Dr. Shoo was talking about.
In no court case are we certain of innocence or guilt, but we may be pretty sure that a trial is unfair.
I think we can be pretty certain following the expert panel press conference that there were no murders.
It is hard to have any confidence in our justice system these days.
We lost four stillborn babies so we have been there but to hear the evidence of so called caring professionals working with this nurse needs looking into it reveals disturbing details of a Dr on the same ward who had suspicions how Letby was looking after the infants but never bothered to make checks then we have a plumber giving evidence which shows the desperation of how far they are willing to go for a scapegoat
My baby died just 3 days old. Back in 1999 we were two teenagers ourselves when we had a child. Everything was fine in the birth and 2 days later we brought her home. When we woke up in the morning Keeley had died. It took 2 years to even get an answer and then a further 2 years of tests on us to show whos dna was the reason for it. We then found out she died because her body coudnt process sugar. We got told we could have children again but a 1 in 4 chance it would happen again. We split up after that but 25 years later we both have children with other partners now and everything has been okay regarding that. To this day tho ive never revovered from loosing keeley and either has her mum. Unfortunately babys do die and when yours does suddenly people come out and say that happensd to us. But until it does you just dont realise how common it is. It happens.
i’m sorry for your loss❤
The fact that more than one of the prosecution’s ‘expert witnesses’ were themselves potentially guilty of malpractice in this case beggars belief. The sooner that young woman is out of prison and a retrial ordered under appeal the better for all concerned.
Totally false statement- none of the eight experts who worked on the trial were under investigation
Hi Lucy!
All people want is to maksure this is a safe conviction. There are too many unaswered questions around this and things that don't add up. Either we want a fair justice system or we don't.
and do not let her out until all the investigation is done it is on going why did she wright about herself being evil she had that in her home
If she's innocent she will be freed but until that's found to be the case she stays where she is. Journalists don't make such decisions!
I'm not on any 'bandwagon' as the journos call it and have no idea if Lucy Letby is guity or not but the host of this show is determined to find Letby guilty. She said twice there's no way to prove how those babies died!? The specialist twice disagreed. Science could actually prove exactly how they died. I think she'd like to throw Letby in the canal to see if she floats. Justice has to be allied to truth.
The presenter is awful, she should ask questions and let the guest finish, not ask questions and ask another before the guest can answer.
There is now ZERO probability that she is guilty!!!! She needs to be out of jail now!!! Real serial killer is NHS performance and there is the biggest miscarriage of justice that I can think of against her!
A good comment that needs to be said and many of us agree,
Zero probability?
Zero? 😂 Got some inside information have you?
Exactly right. Every day that this injustice is allowed to stand is a crime in itself. I would like to see judge Goss in the dock for overseeing this terrible farce.
ZERO means ZERO
There was a huge increase in pre and neo natal deaths possibly due to a novel treatment pregnant women were pressurised to take concerning covid.
Yes another Corrupt Con the Covid Conspiracy.
Yep, the NHS is expert in cover ups and the system closes ranks and covers up the cover ups, as I too found out: A patient’s story: a complaint and the aftermath
You have forgotten one other thing BackHanders,
A great shame that these two interviewers have little understanding of the totality of the case, not least the fact that the group who support whistleblowers refused to believe the doctors who blamed Miss Letby for what were likely their poor work.
The interviewer gets a renowned medical expert onto the show and then starts telling him where he is wrong. How ridiculous.
Ask questions when he has made his case but he is the expert, not the journalist.
I don’t think she was listening to his point that the main prosecution case said the skin discolouration was from air embolism, but he said to her that’s impossible. Also ignorant of the case - for example insulin evidence was for two deaths and experts have already said the immuno-assay test was unreliable.
Wow, that interview was really poor.
Just been watching the live reporting and the expert has blamed the consultants
No surprise there then.
But the sheeple still put them on pedestals.
It's legality and whether the evidence is strong enough for a conviction. It often isn't, and the guilty go free.
To protect the families, an innocent should lose her freedom ?
The poor families originally thought their babies died from natural causes.
My heart breaks for the families .
I hear what you’re saying but this nurse is not a killer.
Why did she refuse to go in the witness box.
@lynnedavies5884 Just to check what you're asking, is this why didn''t Lucy Letby go into the witness box? If that is what you're asking and if I remember correctly Lucy Letby DID indeed go into the witness box so whatever point you were trying to make in saying this must fail!
@Melvin-le6zy My mistake.
@@lynnedavies5884 No worries, thanks for clarifying!
Babies of 23, 24 and 25 weeks were accepted. Now 34 weeks earliest
If it's 'unproveable either way', then she should not have been convicted
There are several problems with many aspects of the Lucy Letby case. I suggest you have them on your show and start asking questions that should have been asked years ago.
Get to work!
anything in any trial which may better establish truth should be admissible at any time
Any people want to bring back the death penalty… how can you when the courts are still making mistakes like this in 2025.
It would be sad if she came out only to do something else.
Just an observation, but... While we've all been glued to the Lucy Letby case, I do wonder about all the other cases of NHS Trusts that were under investigation over Infant Mortality rates around the same time Lucy's story started to unfold. University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Trust, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother Hospital (QEQM), and William Harvey Hospital in Ashford, just to name a couple.
Can't recall or find anything about anyone being sent down for those, and it was also Interesting to see Dr Bill Kirkup's name all over the place with these cases too!!!
Nurse 31 years , I believe they flung her under the bus
No motive, no evidence, no confession. British justice.
Letby's diary, how about that.
“You have just given us a very complicated and detailed explanation”. It is not complicated to him woman.
The primary issue is that once the CPS is passed a case, they have a KPI for convictions to maintain. In this case, all sorts of circumstantial evidence was produced to ensure conviction, even though there was no actual evidence of any crime, let alone being perpetrated by Lucy Letby.
Spot on. Our adversarial "justice" system has nothing whatsoever to do with finding out the truth.
In what way is she not guilty, she literally rote in her own diary “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them.” I honestly do not understand why everyone is defending her
To quote a good lawyer, "Just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty."
This interviewer is still biased against Lucy Letby. I don't believe this nurse's trial was fair
Who cares what you "believe"?
Whatever else can be said about Hitchens, he’s done a good thing by taking this stand on this injustice 👍
He's an attention seeker basking in the limelight. If she'd been cleared he would be leading a campaign to get her banged up.
The 2016 CQC Inspection Report revealed many problems on the Neonatal Ward.
Page 113 is a great place to start reading.
Was Lucy Letby the original Whistleblower?
Where are the tape recordings?
Take a look for yourselves!
There was no direct evidence
I have always thought the conviction was very dodgy and tenuous at best. I think she should
be moved to remand at least.
Lucy was a scapegoat for the failings of this unit,the evidence against her is so flimsy and circumstantial, and now we hear they maybe haven't been any crimes committed at all, though maybe negligence by doctors. Peter is right, Lucy should be freed immediately, while the devastating new evidence is investigated.
Hitchens still hasn’t fixed his whistling dentures
It's disgusting.
where are the celebrities lining up to protest her innocence?
I have no certainty other than that there is clearly uncertainty here - which merits a thorough examination of all evidence in the context of newly voiced expert opinion.
Aside from the tragedy of the small babies, this concerns the life of a young woman who, if guilty, deserves to remain where she is and, if innocent, deserves to be free.
Let us move, unimpeded and with all good speed, towards the truth of this matter.
Lucy Letby was royally stiched up.
Whether Letby is guilty or not guilty, it's a bit ridiculous for her appeal to be denied the opportunity to get the view of an individual because he wasn't used in the original trial, even though it was his work that was a determinant of sorts to convict her in the original trial.
Fair play to DR Lee for sticking his neck out so far in the name of justice , and the others involved in showcasing a real picture of this whole debacle .
I don’t trust that dewi Evans. In a previous unrelated court case, the judge called him unreliable and dismissed his opinions. And, let’s face it, Evans was paid a small fortune for his services.
the interviewers are bending over backwards to try to convince us that we have to Prove her innocent, were as the burden of of the court is to prove she is guilty.
It’s not how guilty you are, it’s how good your barrister is, years ago she could have been executed for this.
I feel dreadfully sorry for the poor families of the basis that died but if this girl is innocent, well it must be the worst miscarriage of justice ever in this country.
If she is innocent, its a great let down in our justice system. When all the top dogs point the blame towards the sheep, the dogs are usually behind it.
There is zero evidence to prove her guilty .
The defense was wirking for the procecution
Have there been any deaths since Lucy's arrest and have those been investigated ?
I bet not because they wouldn't want to draw attention to any ongoing poor practice and negligence.
I bet they’re having second thoughts now about these other cases they’re looking into. And I doubt they’ll be using Dewi Evans
11:38 - I love how we are always short of time in these interviews then you interupt important details to say "BUT WE DONT KNOW REALLY DO WE?"
Science is science, we know with great certainty what happened thanks to this great work by Shoos' team.
A Scape goat for NHS failures,
Re: presenter comments, there hasn't already been an appeal which Lucy Letby lost, Court of Appeal denied leave to appeal in rulings following the court cases.
One word comes to mind "SCAPEGOAT"
There’s little doubt in my mind that she’s completely innocent.
I doubt you have a mind.
Having been a juror in 4 (minor) court cases this is exactly the sort of case that should be reviewed and reconsidered by judges alone rather than verdicts decided by a random selection of the public. I hope it gets to the Court of Appeal soon. My jury duty was a real eye-opener of how emotional some people can be in direct opposition to the clear instructions to consider only the evidence for specific charges and are totally incapable of taking an objective view. Obviously I get why trial by jury is seen as the best option in the first instance but it is not foolproof or now I believe even that reliable.
The guilt should be 'beyond reasonable doubt', but it seems that there is 'reasonable doubt'. So Letby should be acquited.
These presenters are going down a rabbit hole. I don't think David Davis has ever said "he knows what has happened, he has said he believes it's a very unsafe conviction"
Judith Moritz wasn't in the audience in today's press conference. Probably busy selling her book...