Scheels has the Vortex CompDot on sale for 199 currently. As far as I can tell it's the same optic as the Defender XL but a Scheels exclusive? I'll have to compare them side by side when it shows up, but that seems like a really hard deal to beat.
It’s the exact same dot. It’s the run before the battery tray was mandated to be child safe. They relabeled them as the Comp Dot to sell the remaining units they had before the child safe units came out. I picked up 3 at Scheels for $199 each. Couldn’t pass it up at that price.
Yup, literally the only difference I find is the battery compartment on the CompDot is different. Also the CompDots didn't ship with a battery like my XL and ST did, not a big deal but something else I noticed.
Vortex MSRP is always a crap overestimate they use to make it seem like a gooder deal. Keep in mind they still have msrp on the gen 2 razor 1-6s for like $2500 but nobody sells them even near that.
Cristhian Sailor shoots it, so i guess it is very very good, without the flickering and stuff, and im sure there will be a 3 dot moa since that is his preferred dot.
I called vortex and they are doing a rolling update on the defender ccw. 10 minute auto shut off compared to 14 hours and a better refresh rate. They’re sending me an updated one and then I’ll send my current defender ccw with the provided shipping label.
Oh ok great! I just emailed them yesterday to find out if I could get mine replaced. I really like vortex products and even the defender ccw. But those two things getting fixed makes it the perfect dot for me
@@digitalgoonie just got mine in the mail. From what I can tell, it’s fixed. No flashing. As far as the bottom third being cut off, I can’t tell. Maybe a bit is cut off from the bottom but I can’t tell when I’m looking down the sight since my rear iron sight is in the way anyway. My optic sits very low too, pistol is a Shadow Systems CR920P
@@LRS22LR I’ve read about the lower portion being cut off, but the one I have doesn’t cut out at the bottom at all. Hopefully when I get mine replaced, it isn’t like that.
"Refresh rate" (I think its actually a pulse-width modulation) bugged me about the Holosun green dots, which is weird because their red dots are perfect (no PWM on any brightness). I'm glad companies are fixing this, because PWM is a lazy and inferior way to give an LED different brightness settings. Its common with cheap flashlights too.
The factory staccato cut lets you direct mount DPP. Honestly one of the better red dot patterns, screws aren’t as wide as RMR, so direct mounting on 19/2011s and CZs is much easier.
I guess if you don't want RMR/SRO footprint guess this is worth a look, but at more cost than 507comp seems like a massive whiff. I regularly scoop up 507comps well below the 370 msrp guessing numerous others do as well. My noob-ness likes 5 moa or 6 moa reticles, but clearly Ben is a way better shooter than I so i will take that info on board and try some smaller options.
Interesting info on the venom life. I've killed around 10 of the older viper, but get decent life from the venom. They're good for 20k or so on my steel gun. Too bad the XL isn't footprint compatible
Feels like Vortex is always a little late to the party, releasing products that already exist. According to Jedlinski, Vortex has been sitting on this thing for a while... why?
I don’t trust that samurai wannabe’s “insight” into firearms and accessory manufacturers business decisions just like I don’t trust his firearms instruction.
@felixdewinter3484 I don't either, but I am taking his word that Vortex has had designs other than the Venom and Viper for a while now. Just taken them forever to release them. I am asking why is that?
I'm surprised to hear that you prefer smaller dots. Ive been shooting a 6moa EPS but in actuality it looks more like 20 moa to my eyes (The dot completely covers the black part of a b8 bull, which is about 5 inches wide, at 25 yards). Anyway I've just been shooting it and not really thinking anything of it, but this got me thinking maybe I should try the 2moa holosuns for my next red dot. Given how the 6moa looks in actuality, the 2 moa should appear to be about 6moa on target. Have you had this experience also?
I had my GLOCK MOS plate fail yesterday after 24,500 rounds. Both plate screws sheared off during recoil and the sight hit me in the forehead. Have you had any experience with these plate screws failing on your Glocks with high round count?
I had that happen with my M&P 2.0 with the factory provided plastic optics plate. Bounced off my forehead and landed behind me while at the range. It happened right around 8,600rds.I got a custom made metal plate from @ImpactMachine. I'm well over 20K+rds now, and not a problem since. They also had their own custom metal plate for my MOS G35. I got it also just as a preventive measure.
@@Rubeless I have a C&H plate on my Glock 47 back-up gun that I now have to take to a match this Saturday. The screws holding the plate to the MOS cut came loose (despite cleaning, Loctite, and proper torque) at 900 rounds and needed retorquing. I'm really reconsidering the MOS cut since it doesn't have sufficient tolerances and recoil support of the optic IMO. Some are having good success with green Loctite between the plate and the slide, but now I'm looking at getting non-MOS slides and having dedicated optics cuts like the one offered by C&H Precision. It looks the most stable. I also like that I will be able to check and torque screws if needed without removing the optic.
5moa is like 1.25 inches at 25 yards. I don’t think most people can even shoot a group that small. What is it you don’t like about the larger dots compared to the smaller ones?
more chance of staring at dot. Bigger brighter thing in your vision. Like you said, covers the target more, people don't like that regardless of groupings.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Not totally sure. One of them was on a shotgun for a while before I put it on my pistol. I think I bumped the other one too many times while placing it in my safe.
I can’t speak for competition guys, but you will use your dot far more than a magnified optic. If fighting you want something that is fast to get on target. You will shoot from odd positions. Shooting past 50 yards is never going to happen as a civilian defending your home. I use eotech but recommend an aimpoint. If using a magnified optic, get something with an illuminated retical that can be used like a dot.
Game spoiler. Of all the dumb things Vortex could have done, both of the new defenders use the Delta Point Pro footprint. So everyone with RMR patterns, plates are a NO GO. The small one uses RMS/Shield which was BRILLIANT. DPP is the worst legacy optic I've ever used. Vortex you crapped the bed on that decision. I will NOT be using one now. Match the price of the Holosun comp MSRP and provide an RMR footprint. I will always buy Vortex due to their unlimited warranty if the product is right. Trijicon warranty expires from the mfg date, not when you buy it. So although they are good people I've been denied warranty and sent MANY of the SRO's back for exchange.
I had a trijicon rmr fail on my G35. Said it was an emitter contact that came loose. Warranty was expired. Looked around at a local gun store and discovered the Holosun 507CGR and 510CGR at that time. Before a month had passed I had purchased 10 different Holosun dots and a 3X magnifier. Had only 1 507CGR dot that started to flicker while shooting (8,600rds ish). Sent an email for warranty and got a new one in no time, no questions asked. Just got my hands on 2 507COMP greens upon their release. Damn near wish they would get into the LPVO side of things, just to shake things up
@@carlosdaniels9515 I hate the China thing but I don't see any advantage going with the Vortex based on the Holosun lifetime warranty and RMR footprint. Sad that USA products can't dominate and provide clear winners.
Possibility of seal breaking and fogging has happened to every single one of them. For a competition dot the advantages are so minimal… But I get the argument for duty.
The 509t is still my favorite enclosed optic. If they can get that size in an optic with no magnification or distortion that would be great. The acro has so much going on around it, it feels like looking through a window.
Competition dots don't need to be closed. I don't think there is a single duty close emitter dot that didnt have problems. Sadly, even Holosun after some time
Why buy something that's not as good as the other options,, not to mention the crappy footprint,, I shoot with a 1, 2, or 2.5 moa dot. I think this thing is total crap and I wouldn't even consider it. 👍
Time Crisis is the real Mantis.
I certainly spent more money on Time Crisis than Mantis.
So that makes Virtua Cop to SCATT?
Don’t forget House of the Dead as well.
my fave arcade game
Black Friday $199 can’t beat it
I couldn't pay attention with time crisis in the background
Same.
Back to the best time in most peoples lives
Ben, you're quite the decorator....love what you've done with the place.😂 I used to crush that Time Crisis game back in the day.
Scheels has the Vortex CompDot on sale for 199 currently. As far as I can tell it's the same optic as the Defender XL but a Scheels exclusive? I'll have to compare them side by side when it shows up, but that seems like a really hard deal to beat.
It’s the exact same dot. It’s the run before the battery tray was mandated to be child safe. They relabeled them as the Comp Dot to sell the remaining units they had before the child safe units came out. I picked up 3 at Scheels for $199 each. Couldn’t pass it up at that price.
Yup, literally the only difference I find is the battery compartment on the CompDot is different. Also the CompDots didn't ship with a battery like my XL and ST did, not a big deal but something else I noticed.
@@1312020m mine had batteries…🤷🏻♂️
@@m0b00st what makes it child safe?
I like fact that it’s a lifetime warranty big window dot at 400.
Vortex MSRP is always a crap overestimate they use to make it seem like a gooder deal. Keep in mind they still have msrp on the gen 2 razor 1-6s for like $2500 but nobody sells them even near that.
I love my defender CCW on my CZ P10c with the plate that I got from your website.
Plus, it fits the top on the P10c slide perfectly!
Just had a flashback of spending hundreds of dollars in quarters on mortal Kombat 😂
Nice arcade collection
Cristhian Sailor shoots it, so i guess it is very very good, without the flickering and stuff, and im sure there will be a 3 dot moa since that is his preferred dot.
Ben confirmed it. He stares at the sun.
This is one of the things I like about Ben. He calls it out for what it is.
🔴
I called vortex and they are doing a rolling update on the defender ccw. 10 minute auto shut off compared to 14 hours and a better refresh rate. They’re sending me an updated one and then I’ll send my current defender ccw with the provided shipping label.
Oh ok great! I just emailed them yesterday to find out if I could get mine replaced. I really like vortex products and even the defender ccw. But those two things getting fixed makes it the perfect dot for me
@@digitalgoonie just got mine in the mail. From what I can tell, it’s fixed. No flashing. As far as the bottom third being cut off, I can’t tell. Maybe a bit is cut off from the bottom but I can’t tell when I’m looking down the sight since my rear iron sight is in the way anyway. My optic sits very low too, pistol is a Shadow Systems CR920P
@@LRS22LR I’ve read about the lower portion being cut off, but the one I have doesn’t cut out at the bottom at all. Hopefully when I get mine replaced, it isn’t like that.
"Refresh rate" (I think its actually a pulse-width modulation) bugged me about the Holosun green dots, which is weird because their red dots are perfect (no PWM on any brightness). I'm glad companies are fixing this, because PWM is a lazy and inferior way to give an LED different brightness settings. Its common with cheap flashlights too.
When you are transitioning between targets you shouldn't be looking through the window.
I went with another 507comp because of the footprint. I've invested in the RMR footprint
Seems like a good option for native DPP footprint guns.
That has to be the market their chasing. Dpp footprint doesn’t make sense.
@@swiftaudi chasing siggers
The factory staccato cut lets you direct mount DPP. Honestly one of the better red dot patterns, screws aren’t as wide as RMR, so direct mounting on 19/2011s and CZs is much easier.
Just ordered a Defender XL 5MOA for 299 shipped from Simmons Sporting Goods. Cant wait to put it on my Q5 sf.
I just bought one for 249.00 on sale at scheels in North Dakota. For the warranty, I don’t think you can go wrong at 250.00
If you install heavy curtains for all those windows, it will also cut the echo in the room.
🏳️🌈
As always love your videos and shop! Thanks for the input but I think I’ll be sticking with my 507 comp.
I guess if you don't want RMR/SRO footprint guess this is worth a look, but at more cost than 507comp seems like a massive whiff. I regularly scoop up 507comps well below the 370 msrp guessing numerous others do as well. My noob-ness likes 5 moa or 6 moa reticles, but clearly Ben is a way better shooter than I so i will take that info on board and try some smaller options.
Interesting info on the venom life. I've killed around 10 of the older viper, but get decent life from the venom. They're good for 20k or so on my steel gun.
Too bad the XL isn't footprint compatible
Feels like Vortex is always a little late to the party, releasing products that already exist. According to Jedlinski, Vortex has been sitting on this thing for a while... why?
I don’t trust that samurai wannabe’s “insight” into firearms and accessory manufacturers business decisions just like I don’t trust his firearms instruction.
@felixdewinter3484 I don't either, but I am taking his word that Vortex has had designs other than the Venom and Viper for a while now. Just taken them forever to release them. I am asking why is that?
@@chap23305 I’m not
@@chap23305could just be a smaller companies ability to scale manufacturing.
What are your thoughts on the Justice 2 from swampfox? It seems a bit smaller than the 507 comp but it's also cheaper
Time Crisis and Terminator 2 Arcade = better than any dry fire routine
I'm surprised to hear that you prefer smaller dots. Ive been shooting a 6moa EPS but in actuality it looks more like 20 moa to my eyes (The dot completely covers the black part of a b8 bull, which is about 5 inches wide, at 25 yards). Anyway I've just been shooting it and not really thinking anything of it, but this got me thinking maybe I should try the 2moa holosuns for my next red dot. Given how the 6moa looks in actuality, the 2 moa should appear to be about 6moa on target. Have you had this experience also?
Honestly I have the 2 and the 6 MOA version of the EPS and can’t really tell the difference.
@@NickNelsonReiners nice. Glad I'm not missing anything then. Love the eps
@@edharris5881 it's very much a have to try it thing, I prefer smaller dots.
You need a pinball machine
I had my GLOCK MOS plate fail yesterday after 24,500 rounds. Both plate screws sheared off during recoil and the sight hit me in the forehead. Have you had any experience with these plate screws failing on your Glocks with high round count?
I had that happen with my M&P 2.0 with the factory provided plastic optics plate. Bounced off my forehead and landed behind me while at the range. It happened right around 8,600rds.I got a custom made metal plate from @ImpactMachine. I'm well over 20K+rds now, and not a problem since. They also had their own custom metal plate for my MOS G35. I got it also just as a preventive measure.
C&H precision
Try their plates and hardware.
@@Rubeless I have a C&H plate on my Glock 47 back-up gun that I now have to take to a match this Saturday. The screws holding the plate to the MOS cut came loose (despite cleaning, Loctite, and proper torque) at 900 rounds and needed retorquing. I'm really reconsidering the MOS cut since it doesn't have sufficient tolerances and recoil support of the optic IMO. Some are having good success with green Loctite between the plate and the slide, but now I'm looking at getting non-MOS slides and having dedicated optics cuts like the one offered by C&H Precision. It looks the most stable. I also like that I will be able to check and torque screws if needed without removing the optic.
Is that an Arcade 1up X-men in the back? How do you like it? Do a video on your coin-ops.
We do t care about video games
Is your Mantis still working ?
I like the Vortex line, just wish they'd do them in green.
5moa is like 1.25 inches at 25 yards. I don’t think most people can even shoot a group that small. What is it you don’t like about the larger dots compared to the smaller ones?
more chance of staring at dot. Bigger brighter thing in your vision. Like you said, covers the target more, people don't like that regardless of groupings.
Harder to target focus the larger the dot is
To each their own
If 400 is the price for both to e Holosun should be choice because of possible of differen dot views
Doesn't Ben look like a surfer?
As long as you are talking about dots, how much training time would you spend with the dot occluded?
…..and thanks for all of the videos!
I'd like to see Focus Trip review this optic. Thanks for the share!!
After conquering the world of shooting on earth, the great Ben Stoeger is now overpowering the sun 🌞
Dont turn this into a simp channel.
Got mine for $312, I think that’s worth it.
108 in Phoenix today. F that.🥵
Send my wife.
Bro! What's going on with the hair??😅
Legitimately think all the time i spent playing Time Crisis and Gun Bullet made me a faster shooter
I come for Ben's thoughts, I stay for the camera angles/framing
Can we see Ben play Time Crisis?
Vortex XL vs Holosun Comp. Higher price, crappy footprint, less dot choices. No reason to get that for a few extra watts.
In your opinion, how many rounds should a red dot endure before dying, to consider it decent?
20,000++
I've never had a Vortex venom break, besides dropping it. Over 50,000 rounds on one of them.
I’ve had two venoms break. SROs still doing good.
@walterwilliams1791 How did they break? I own 4 but now I'm looking at Holosun and Trijicon for better durability if dropped.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Not totally sure. One of them was on a shotgun for a while before I put it on my pistol. I think I bumped the other one too many times while placing it in my safe.
How about using it as an offset sight on a rifle with an lpvo?
That idea died 20 years ago.
@@Rubeless shows you how much i know. Why did it die?
Do you need a dot with a massive window as an offset? Or do you want a Open emitter. Overall I see lot of dumb setups with offset dots
@@gansior4744 all good questions I have no answers for.
I can’t speak for competition guys, but you will use your dot far more than a magnified optic. If fighting you want something that is fast to get on target. You will shoot from odd positions. Shooting past 50 yards is never going to happen as a civilian defending your home. I use eotech but recommend an aimpoint.
If using a magnified optic, get something with an illuminated retical that can be used like a dot.
If I ever see ben at the range I’ll be like a Taylor swift fan girl 😂
Aloha from Hawaii's 2A community 🤙🏾
lol that’s a thing ?
Who cares
Do you still keep in touch with Candice Juliano? she seems cool and candid, like you, which is why i watch
Game spoiler. Of all the dumb things Vortex could have done, both of the new defenders use the Delta Point Pro footprint. So everyone with RMR patterns, plates are a NO GO. The small one uses RMS/Shield which was BRILLIANT. DPP is the worst legacy optic I've ever used. Vortex you crapped the bed on that decision. I will NOT be using one now. Match the price of the Holosun comp MSRP and provide an RMR footprint. I will always buy Vortex due to their unlimited warranty if the product is right. Trijicon warranty expires from the mfg date, not when you buy it. So although they are good people I've been denied warranty and sent MANY of the SRO's back for exchange.
I had a trijicon rmr fail on my G35. Said it was an emitter contact that came loose. Warranty was expired. Looked around at a local gun store and discovered the Holosun 507CGR and 510CGR at that time. Before a month had passed I had purchased 10 different Holosun dots and a 3X magnifier. Had only 1 507CGR dot that started to flicker while shooting (8,600rds ish). Sent an email for warranty and got a new one in no time, no questions asked. Just got my hands on 2 507COMP greens upon their release. Damn near wish they would get into the LPVO side of things, just to shake things up
@@carlosdaniels9515 the sad part is all these Chinese manufacturers stole all the technology from others and they’re undermining our economy.
@@carlosdaniels9515 I hate the China thing but I don't see any advantage going with the Vortex based on the Holosun lifetime warranty and RMR footprint. Sad that USA products can't dominate and provide clear winners.
That’s illegal to deny a warranty based on date of manufacture. Warranty doesn’t start until it’s in the end users hands.
Are you doing the Vortex stuff as a review for them, or you just feel like reviewing a new item? Not being a dick, genuinely curious.
$600 is outrageous if it’s made in china (at least the SRO can argue American made). $400 is more fair…
MSRP?
$600 msrp but the street price is 400
SROs are a little over $400 on sale
I just wish that more companies would make enclosed optics. Big windows are cool but I think enclosed is more practical.
Possibility of seal breaking and fogging has happened to every single one of them. For a competition dot the advantages are so minimal…
But I get the argument for duty.
The 509t is still my favorite enclosed optic. If they can get that size in an optic with no magnification or distortion that would be great. The acro has so much going on around it, it feels like looking through a window.
For you. If it was better, there would be more of them.
Competition dots don't need to be closed. I don't think there is a single duty close emitter dot that didnt have problems. Sadly, even Holosun after some time
Ben don't like, you wanted to show off your arcade1ups
AZ - left there a year ago... no thanks!
Better options at $400. Hard pass
Why buy something that's not as good as the other options,, not to mention the crappy footprint,, I shoot with a 1, 2, or 2.5 moa dot. I think this thing is total crap and I wouldn't even consider it. 👍