They buried themselves with each argument. Lord protect my people from this heresy. It’s all vanity. The level of intelectual dishonesty is wild. If you’re honest with the scripture the Trinity is inevitable. Word out here dropping Knowledge too💯
Isaiah 9:6: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Christianity and English keep mistranslating so much, and then they totally misunderstand what they mistranslated and corrupted. Sefer Yeshayahu (Isaiah) is about Yaakov, the prophets and the Children/Nation of Israel. Back then at that time, they were surrounded by their enemies who wanted to do harm to them. They were worried. The One True Creator G_d sent them a sign back then at that time to let them know that they didn't have to worry about their enemies. The birth of Immanuel back then at that time was that sign. Immanuel had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian's so-called "Jesus". Immanuel was born many hundreds of years before Christianity claims that the so-called "Jesus" was born. There was no virgin birth! Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 7: 1And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz son of Jotham son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin, king of Aram, and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, marched on Jerusalem to wage war against it, and he could not wage war against it. אוַיְהִ֡י בִּימֵ֣י אָ֠חָז בֶּן־יוֹתָ֨ם בֶּן־עֻזִּיָּ֜הוּ מֶ֣לֶךְ יְהוּדָ֗ה עָלָ֣ה רְצִ֣ין מֶֽלֶךְ־אֲ֠רָם וּפֶ֨קַח בֶּן־רְמַלְיָ֚הוּ מֶֽלֶךְ־יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ יְר֣וּשָׁלִַ֔ם לַמִּלְחָמָ֖ה עָלֶ֑יהָ וְלֹ֥א יָכֹ֖ל לְהִלָּחֵ֥ם עָלֶֽיהָ: 2And it was told to the House of David, saying, "Aram has allied itself with Ephraim," and his heart and the heart of his people trembled as the trees of the forest tremble because of the wind. בוַיֻּגַּ֗ד לְבֵ֚ית דָּוִד֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר נָ֥חָה אֲרָ֖ם עַל־אֶפְרָ֑יִם וַיָּ֚נַע לְבָבוֹ֙ וּלְבַ֣ב עַמּ֔וֹ כְּנ֥וֹעַ עֲצֵי־יַ֖עַר מִפְּנֵי־רֽוּחַ: 3And the Lord said to Isaiah, "Now go out toward Ahaz, you and Shear-Yashuv your son, to the edge of the conduit of the upper pool, to the road of the washer's field. גוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָה֘ אֶל־יְשַׁעְיָהוּ֒ צֵא־נָא֙ לִקְרַ֣את אָחָ֔ז אַתָּ֕ה וּשְׁאָ֖ר יָשׁ֣וּב בְּנֶ֑ךָ אֶל־קְצֵ֗ה תְּעָלַת֙ הַבְּרֵכָ֣ה הָֽעֶלְיוֹנָ֔ה אֶל־מְסִלַּ֖ת שְׂדֵ֥ה כוֹבֵֽס: 4And you shall say to him, "Feel secure and calm yourself, do not fear, and let your heart not be faint because of these two smoking stubs of firebrands, because of the raging anger of Rezin and Aram and the son of Remaliah. דוְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֵ֠לָיו הִשָּׁמֵ֨ר וְהַשְׁקֵ֜ט אַל־תִּירָ֗א וּלְבָֽבְךָ֙ אַל־יֵרַ֔ךְ מִשְּׁנֵ֨י זַנְב֧וֹת הָֽאוּדִ֛ים הָֽעֲשֵׁנִ֖ים הָאֵ֑לֶּה בָּֽחֳרִי־אַ֛ף רְצִ֥ין וַֽאֲרָ֖ם וּבֶן־רְמַלְיָֽהוּ: 5Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying: היַ֗עַן כִּֽי־יָעַ֥ץ עָלֶ֛יךָ אֲרָ֖ם רָעָ֑ה אֶפְרַ֥יִם וּבֶן־רְמַלְיָ֖הוּ לֵאמֹֽר: 6'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,' ונַֽעֲלֶ֚ה בִֽיהוּדָה֙ וּנְקִיצֶ֔נָּה וְנַבְקִעֶ֖נָּה אֵלֵ֑ינוּ וְנַמְלִ֥יךְ מֶ֙לֶךְ֙ בְּתוֹכָ֔הּ אֵ֖ת בֶּן־טָֽבְאַֽל: 7So said the Lord God, 'Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass. זכֹּ֥ה אָמַ֖ר אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֑ה לֹ֥א תָק֖וּם וְלֹ֥א תִֽהְיֶֽה: 8For the head of Aram is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and in another sixty-five years, Ephraim shall be broken, no longer to be a people. חכִּ֣י רֹ֚אשׁ אֲרָם֙ דַּמֶּ֔שֶׂק וְרֹ֥אשׁ דַּמֶּ֖שֶׂק רְצִ֑ין וּבְע֗וֹד שִׁשִּׁ֚ים וְחָמֵשׁ֙ שָׁנָ֔ה יֵחַ֥ת אֶפְרַ֖יִם מֵעָֽם: 9And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is the son of Remaliah; if you do not believe, it is because you cannot be believed." טוְרֹ֚אשׁ אֶפְרַ֙יִם֙ שֹֽׁמְר֔וֹן וְרֹ֥אשׁ שֹֽׁמְר֖וֹן בֶּן־רְמַלְיָ֑הוּ אִם לֹ֣א תַֽאֲמִ֔ינוּ כִּ֖י לֹ֥א תֵֽאָמֵֽנוּ: 10And the Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying, יוַיּ֣וֹסֶף יְהֹוָ֔ה דַּבֵּ֥ר אֶל־אָחָ֖ז לֵאמֹֽר: 11"Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God: ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above." יאשְׁאַל־לְךָ֣ א֔וֹת מֵעִ֖ם יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ הַֽעְמֵ֣ק שְׁאָ֔לָה א֖וֹ הַגְבֵּ֥הַּ לְמָֽעְלָה: 12And Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord." יבוַיֹּ֖אמֶר אָחָ֑ז לֹֽא־אֶשְׁאַ֥ל וְלֹֽא־אֲנַסֶּ֖ה אֶת־יְהֹוָֽה: 13And he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? יגוַיֹּ֕אמֶר שִׁמְעוּ־נָ֖א בֵּ֣ית דָּוִ֑ד הַמְעַ֚ט מִכֶּם֙ הַלְא֣וֹת אֲנָשִׁ֔ים כִּ֥י תַלְא֖וּ גַּ֥ם אֶת־אֱלֹהָֽי: 14Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. ידלָ֠כֵן יִתֵּ֨ן אֲדֹנָ֥י ה֛וּא לָכֶ֖ם א֑וֹת הִנֵּ֣ה הָֽעַלְמָ֗ה הָרָה֙ וְיֹלֶ֣דֶת בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥את שְׁמ֖וֹ עִמָּ֥נוּ אֵֽל: 15Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good. טוחֶמְאָ֥ה וּדְבַ֖שׁ יֹאכֵ֑ל לְדַעְתּ֛וֹ מָא֥וֹס בָּרָ֖ע וּבָח֥וֹר בַּטּֽוֹב: 16For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned." טזכִּ֠י בְּטֶ֨רֶם יֵדַ֥ע הַנַּ֛עַר מָא֥וֹס בָּרָ֖ע וּבָח֣וֹר בַּטּ֑וֹב תֵּֽעָזֵ֚ב הָֽאֲדָמָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר אַתָּ֣ה קָ֔ץ מִפְּנֵ֖י שְׁנֵ֥י מְלָכֶֽיהָ:
Who is the WORD? JESUS who also is God because they share the same essence same authority, same missions which have been given from the Father to the Son👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Avery is one of the best of the best cross-examiners in the scene right now, in my opinion. With Avery, you WILL get caught uttering nonsense when he holds you to the fire.
@Ale2raw Brother, respectfully I'm not going back into the 4 hour stream I already watched to locate and distribute to you a specific timestamp in the video where Avery does what I just described. How about you go and watch it for yourself 😭 (in love my brother) ☦️🙏
They were struggling to dance around the worship in heaven. The Most High is going to allow another being to be worshipped right in front of HIS throne, according to them. It is showing that the Father and the Lamb are worthy of the same honor.
@@CATHOLIC25 I know right…😳 seemed like they would be on board,but….. nope. And they solidly believe what they believe confirming the danger of where they are. My sincere prayer is that as one plants, one waters, God will surely get the increase once their hearts are made of flesh and not stone.
This was a straight massacre. They are fighting for survival. They showed these guys over, and over that Jesus is worthy to be worshiped with the Father because they are one.
God bless you all for giving a true account for why you believe what you believe. These Hebrew Israelites remain firm and concrete in their belief and are not able to allow themselves to completely understanding that God and Jesus are the same in essence and nature and won’t move beyond the obvious.
It’s so frustrating to watch someone blatantly and proudly contradict themselves and then act like they are making sense and it’s everyone’s else’s fault for not understanding.
I mean the Hebrews Israelites were right they just can’t execute it as well as us JWs. During my discussion with Avery he couldn’t hang and hung up on me.
@@yahuhallah1259the entire prophecy of one crying in the wilderness preparing the way for Jehovah was fulfilled in John the Baptist & Jesus in your translation.
Avery, going forward can you have your opponents explain the Trinity to you before they debate against it. Like that should have to be in your opener or pre-debate talks because most of the time you do this half the debate is explaining to your opponent that they do not know what the doctrine of the Trinity is.
My brothers in Christ cooked something serious! Jesus is God manifested in the flesh thank you Jesus! ❤ May God open the eyes of those who eyes has been blinded! I love how my brothers handled this with grace and seasoned with salt!✝️
“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, so that they will have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Genesis 1:26-27 And if you say God & the angels or anybody but God, then you contradict verse 27. WHO’S US? IN OUR LIKENESS?
That Hosha Yah guy got so befuddled it was funny to watch him trying to say Jesus is the wisdom described in Proverbs not knowing that with their interpretation it would mean God didn't have wisdom before he created Jesus🤦🏿♂️, he started stuttering and sweating when he realised he was in trouble😂😂😂
@bpraise517 WHAAT?👀, Jesus was devolved into wisdom🤦🏿♂️🤣, think about what you're saying and ask yourself if what you're saying makes sense.. you Hebrews Israelites are taught a false doctrine to believe that Jesus is the wisdom described in Proverbs without knowing the implications of what saying that would mean and now you're scrambling around making up stuff🤦🏿♂️, where does it say the father devolved wisdom into Jesus?
@@theLordistheSpiritThe Hebrew Israelites are correct they just don’t know how to deliver it properly. What Prov 8:22-32 is telling us is that Jesus was created and he’s not Gods internal wisdom but Jesus is being personified as wisdom. The HI dropped the ball and should have paralleled John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-19 to proverbs. Not one time did they say Jesus was being personified as wisdom. That debunks the whole Trinitarian argument.
@@theLordistheSpirit Which part didn't make sense? Can you refute it? Hopefully, you can make better arguments than the Trinitarians on the panel. Granted, they did better than the Hebrew Israelites, but saying I make no sense is easier said than to prove it right?
They're not really following the story of Jacob and Esau either.. They think they are Jacob that got relegated but that's not what the book teaches. So their premise even starts with a falsehood.
The while wisdom coming in to existence convo, I think the Israelites mean the wisdom came in to a physical realm, but the conceptual/spiritual existence always was.
I Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Speaking of blocking people for no good reason.....I got blocked from the chat, and I don't remember if it was Godlogic Apologetics or Godlogic 2.0, but the mods blocked me from the chat just for using all caps. The only reason I was using all caps was because my keyboard was messed up. That's not a reason to restrict me from being part of the conversation when I've been a subscriber for a long time and never done anything wrong or caused any problems on the channel. Some mods be letting their perceived power go to their head and in my opinion that's not the fruit of a true Christian.
They had my boy stammering. I would have wrote it down like an equation. Jesus= Wisdom, Jesus =The Word. The Word = Enternity. God's Wisdom =Enternity. Jesus = Enternity.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (elohim plural) includes the father the son and holy spirit... then God said let there be light. Look at the Hebrew it actually says jehovah as isreals light came out of Glory into the plain.
This is sad, if Christ was created, to create all things, won't this contradict Deuteronomy 6:4? Saying there is one creator,but associating creation with His ability as God?
Does the bible say if you don't believe in the trinity, you will not be saved?...NO But it does say Keep the commandments and faith in Christ. Why are we not teaching that? This whole trinity debate is a distraction.
Who is the WORD? JESUS who also is God because they share the same essence same authority, same missions which have been given from the Father to the Son. The father and the son is distinct.👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Colossians 1 is clear Christ is the first born of what He is…creation Just like David was the first born king… he was the first born of what he is.. I cannot be the first born of something that I am not, It doesn’t make sense So if scripture says that Christ is the first born of all creation, whether you believe that it is Preeminence or first born literally, He is the first born of what He is
Good point!! Trinitarians are just inconsistent. If David is the firstborn of the Kings that doesn't exclude him from being in the group of a King. Likewise, if Jesus is the firstborn of all creation that doesn't exclude him from being part of creation. They would be okay with King David, but won't be okay with Jesus being part of the group.
Hosa was saying two different things. He was saying the Word was, and it was created in the same sentence. God is the word John 1:1 and John 1:18 God is his son.
I want to be clear about Psalm 89. David was not the first King in the as in one ruling over people, however he is the first King of the earth as in dominion over other kings/kingdoms. During his reign there was not another king higher than David. So he was the first King of the earth just like Christ Kingdom will be the greatest. He being King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Their were "kings of the earth" before David. So he was not the firstborn king of the earth. Just because there were none other during his time higher does not mean there never were others who had that title
@@wclove06 in the live comment sections i called their bluff everytime. It’s a pattern with all the doubters of the trinity. Over here this word is literally, but over here, now it’s only metaphorically. This is why i called them liars. Picking and choosing how to define words. Very convenient, very sneaky.
@wclove06 it doesn't say first of his kind. It says firstborn king of the world. He wasn't. Just like nowhere in the scripture does it say Jesus was created rather that he created all things. Both cannot be true simultaneously. It's a contradiction unless you're willing to say Jesus created himself. Which is a paradox. Either way you're stuck
Genesis 1 says repeatedly “God said”, “God said”, “God said”. When God said, things came into existence. I saw once that someone said that all things being created *through* Jesus, means it wasn’t created *by* Him. But God created all things by SAYING. What do you say? Your word. All things were created when the WORD said so. That’s how all things were created “through” Jesus *and* by Jesus.
I would love to hear the Hebrew Isrealites address Jesus saying that He is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation. They also didn't fully address The Father worshipping The Son in Hebrews 1:8 fully.
Very very simple as someone else explains in the chat, emanating from or proceeding from the father automatically makes you the same nature, i.e God, when they began creating, you are of a different nature and makeup
Philippians 2:5-8 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Only 20 minutes in…. Why do all Hebrew Israelites read scripture the same way with the main person asking rhetorical questions to have the reader reread the verse again. It’s like a theatrical performance
God had us write this down so we can understand the wisdom that Jesus had doesn't mean that God didn't have wisdom this is a waste of time to debate these Christians they're just playing with words
They buried themselves with each argument. Lord protect my people from this heresy. It’s all vanity. The level of intelectual dishonesty is wild. If you’re honest with the scripture the Trinity is inevitable. Word out here dropping Knowledge too💯
My friend is dyslexic and asked me "why are there people on Facebook saying God's name is Yamaha, are they worshipping dirt bikes or instruments?"
Man, you make my day XD
@@lojobambam2 😂
What is God’s name then? Hopefully you don’t think that it is God
@@kevinwilliams8033 He's ironic man. We all know that God's name gived to Moses Is YHWH
@@JustGab-me God did not tell Moses through his son that his name was Yahawah, but he said that his name was AHAYA.
The four Christians are like the dream team 🗣️💨🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌
David Wood or Sam Shamon would be excellent additions as well.
@ most definitely 👍
@@dontracy8924 chris claus camp kicked an atheist from chat cause he called them out on appealing to the words of job’s false comforters as truth 🤣
Look jesus trône 🚽💩👈 team
Isaiah 9:6: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Christianity and English keep mistranslating so much, and then they totally misunderstand what they mistranslated and corrupted. Sefer Yeshayahu (Isaiah) is about Yaakov, the prophets and the Children/Nation of Israel. Back then at that time, they were surrounded by their enemies who wanted to do harm to them. They were worried. The One True Creator G_d sent them a sign back then at that time to let them know that they didn't have to worry about their enemies. The birth of Immanuel back then at that time was that sign. Immanuel had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian's so-called "Jesus". Immanuel was born many hundreds of years before Christianity claims that the so-called "Jesus" was born.
There was no virgin birth!
Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 7:
1And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz son of Jotham son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin, king of Aram, and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, marched on Jerusalem to wage war against it, and he could not wage war against it. אוַיְהִ֡י בִּימֵ֣י אָ֠חָז בֶּן־יוֹתָ֨ם בֶּן־עֻזִּיָּ֜הוּ מֶ֣לֶךְ יְהוּדָ֗ה עָלָ֣ה רְצִ֣ין מֶֽלֶךְ־אֲ֠רָם וּפֶ֨קַח בֶּן־רְמַלְיָ֚הוּ מֶֽלֶךְ־יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ יְר֣וּשָׁלִַ֔ם לַמִּלְחָמָ֖ה עָלֶ֑יהָ וְלֹ֥א יָכֹ֖ל לְהִלָּחֵ֥ם עָלֶֽיהָ:
2And it was told to the House of David, saying, "Aram has allied itself with Ephraim," and his heart and the heart of his people trembled as the trees of the forest tremble because of the wind. בוַיֻּגַּ֗ד לְבֵ֚ית דָּוִד֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר נָ֥חָה אֲרָ֖ם עַל־אֶפְרָ֑יִם וַיָּ֚נַע לְבָבוֹ֙ וּלְבַ֣ב עַמּ֔וֹ כְּנ֥וֹעַ עֲצֵי־יַ֖עַר מִפְּנֵי־רֽוּחַ:
3And the Lord said to Isaiah, "Now go out toward Ahaz, you and Shear-Yashuv your son, to the edge of the conduit of the upper pool, to the road of the washer's field. גוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָה֘ אֶל־יְשַׁעְיָהוּ֒ צֵא־נָא֙ לִקְרַ֣את אָחָ֔ז אַתָּ֕ה וּשְׁאָ֖ר יָשׁ֣וּב בְּנֶ֑ךָ אֶל־קְצֵ֗ה תְּעָלַת֙ הַבְּרֵכָ֣ה הָֽעֶלְיוֹנָ֔ה אֶל־מְסִלַּ֖ת שְׂדֵ֥ה כוֹבֵֽס:
4And you shall say to him, "Feel secure and calm yourself, do not fear, and let your heart not be faint because of these two smoking stubs of firebrands, because of the raging anger of Rezin and Aram and the son of Remaliah. דוְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֵ֠לָיו הִשָּׁמֵ֨ר וְהַשְׁקֵ֜ט אַל־תִּירָ֗א וּלְבָֽבְךָ֙ אַל־יֵרַ֔ךְ מִשְּׁנֵ֨י זַנְב֧וֹת הָֽאוּדִ֛ים הָֽעֲשֵׁנִ֖ים הָאֵ֑לֶּה בָּֽחֳרִי־אַ֛ף רְצִ֥ין וַֽאֲרָ֖ם וּבֶן־רְמַלְיָֽהוּ:
5Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying: היַ֗עַן כִּֽי־יָעַ֥ץ עָלֶ֛יךָ אֲרָ֖ם רָעָ֑ה אֶפְרַ֥יִם וּבֶן־רְמַלְיָ֖הוּ לֵאמֹֽר:
6'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,' ונַֽעֲלֶ֚ה בִֽיהוּדָה֙ וּנְקִיצֶ֔נָּה וְנַבְקִעֶ֖נָּה אֵלֵ֑ינוּ וְנַמְלִ֥יךְ מֶ֙לֶךְ֙ בְּתוֹכָ֔הּ אֵ֖ת בֶּן־טָֽבְאַֽל:
7So said the Lord God, 'Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass. זכֹּ֥ה אָמַ֖ר אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֑ה לֹ֥א תָק֖וּם וְלֹ֥א תִֽהְיֶֽה:
8For the head of Aram is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and in another sixty-five years, Ephraim shall be broken, no longer to be a people. חכִּ֣י רֹ֚אשׁ אֲרָם֙ דַּמֶּ֔שֶׂק וְרֹ֥אשׁ דַּמֶּ֖שֶׂק רְצִ֑ין וּבְע֗וֹד שִׁשִּׁ֚ים וְחָמֵשׁ֙ שָׁנָ֔ה יֵחַ֥ת אֶפְרַ֖יִם מֵעָֽם:
9And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is the son of Remaliah; if you do not believe, it is because you cannot be believed." טוְרֹ֚אשׁ אֶפְרַ֙יִם֙ שֹֽׁמְר֔וֹן וְרֹ֥אשׁ שֹֽׁמְר֖וֹן בֶּן־רְמַלְיָ֑הוּ אִם לֹ֣א תַֽאֲמִ֔ינוּ כִּ֖י לֹ֥א תֵֽאָמֵֽנוּ:
10And the Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying, יוַיּ֣וֹסֶף יְהֹוָ֔ה דַּבֵּ֥ר אֶל־אָחָ֖ז לֵאמֹֽר:
11"Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God: ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above." יאשְׁאַל־לְךָ֣ א֔וֹת מֵעִ֖ם יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ הַֽעְמֵ֣ק שְׁאָ֔לָה א֖וֹ הַגְבֵּ֥הַּ לְמָֽעְלָה:
12And Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord." יבוַיֹּ֖אמֶר אָחָ֑ז לֹֽא־אֶשְׁאַ֥ל וְלֹֽא־אֲנַסֶּ֖ה אֶת־יְהֹוָֽה:
13And he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? יגוַיֹּ֕אמֶר שִׁמְעוּ־נָ֖א בֵּ֣ית דָּוִ֑ד הַמְעַ֚ט מִכֶּם֙ הַלְא֣וֹת אֲנָשִׁ֔ים כִּ֥י תַלְא֖וּ גַּ֥ם אֶת־אֱלֹהָֽי:
14Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. ידלָ֠כֵן יִתֵּ֨ן אֲדֹנָ֥י ה֛וּא לָכֶ֖ם א֑וֹת הִנֵּ֣ה הָֽעַלְמָ֗ה הָרָה֙ וְיֹלֶ֣דֶת בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥את שְׁמ֖וֹ עִמָּ֥נוּ אֵֽל:
15Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good. טוחֶמְאָ֥ה וּדְבַ֖שׁ יֹאכֵ֑ל לְדַעְתּ֛וֹ מָא֥וֹס בָּרָ֖ע וּבָח֥וֹר בַּטּֽוֹב:
16For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned." טזכִּ֠י בְּטֶ֨רֶם יֵדַ֥ע הַנַּ֛עַר מָא֥וֹס בָּרָ֖ע וּבָח֣וֹר בַּטּ֑וֹב תֵּֽעָזֵ֚ב הָֽאֲדָמָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר אַתָּ֣ה קָ֔ץ מִפְּנֵ֖י שְׁנֵ֥י מְלָכֶֽיהָ:
Modalist will say its the Father thats in a skin suit
Simple explanation when read plainly
Amen
Who is the WORD? JESUS who also is God because they share the same essence same authority, same missions which have been given from the Father to the Son👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Has to be one of the most peaceful debates I’ve seen between Christian and Hebrew Israelites 👏
Special thanks to Prudence
😂😂😂😂
Dear Prudence...
I just remembered that Beatles song
Right...lol
I LOVE THE WAY AVERY REASONS WITH PEOPLE.ITS SO SIMPLE AND YET SO PROFOUND.
Facts
Avery is one of the best of the best cross-examiners in the scene right now, in my opinion. With Avery, you WILL get caught uttering nonsense when he holds you to the fire.
@@Christiansstillstruggletime stamp?
@Ale2raw Brother, respectfully I'm not going back into the 4 hour stream I already watched to locate and distribute to you a specific timestamp in the video where Avery does what I just described. How about you go and watch it for yourself 😭 (in love my brother) ☦️🙏
@ no worries brother, i was gonna watch it anyways
These guys are committing the Hebrew Israelites Shuffle instead of the Muslim Shuffle.
They doing the Hebrew Cha Cha
@@LivingWellRecovery soldier boy had many dances. So do the enemies to the truth. Different songs, same dance
Hebrew hopscotch*
I started calling it The Muslim Mash lol
@@notgoodman6651 Hebrew Israelites that don’t speak Hebrew the “fake Jews” got them beat in Israel
3 hours and those Hebrew Isrealites still stood on their error filled doctrine. Truth Won. That MOST HIGH point was exceptional...I learned something.
They were struggling to dance around the worship in heaven. The Most High is going to allow another being to be worshipped right in front of HIS throne, according to them. It is showing that the Father and the Lamb are worthy of the same honor.
they are so annoying...everytime they are confronted we have to redefine existence itself😂
Thank you Lord God for my mind. Never will I take it for granted after hearing these Hebrew Israelites exegesis scripture.
The most respectful Hebrew Israelites that I've ever seen
John 17 5:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You BEFORE the world was.
BECAUSE THEY WAS ONE
I thought the topic of firstborn was already dealt with. Why are these Hebrews still saying it means Jesus was created.?
And kept bringing up “he doesn’t even know the hour” like a Muslim, we’ve explained this multiple times 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Chris is so smart. Love listening to his approach on things. Albee as well. Jesus is risen ❤️
The Father always had Wisdom but then he created Wisdom make it make sense
@@CATHOLIC25 I know right…😳 seemed like they would be on board,but….. nope. And they solidly believe what they believe confirming the danger of where they are. My sincere prayer is that as one plants, one waters, God will surely get the increase once their hearts are made of flesh and not stone.
He didn't create wisdom, he took wisdom as his bride and then he said "let us create man in our image"
@ did you watch the part on why i said this?
@@CATHOLIC25 looked like he missed your comment - "make it make sense"
@@jeavoirichards9379 yup, people who just dont read or know the context and just say what they want are very dangerous
Sad how they just can’t give Jesus the honor that he so CLEARLY is due
If only man dropped His Ego and Pride and accepted Truth no matter the consequences.. Jesus is King!
Shoutout to PRUDENCE!!!
Who's Prudence? 😂😂😂That question tickled me. Love you all brothers in Christ all the way from South Africa 🇿🇦
Man, wish I could know Prudence. Heard he’s mad chill
HAHAHAH
@@MC-dn4qs 🤣🤣🤣
Excuse me prudence is she or is wisdom she Im confused😂😂
@@baby91scg wisdom is personified as a she in proverbs
@@baby91scgboth are she
This was a straight massacre. They are fighting for survival. They showed these guys over, and over that Jesus is worthy to be worshiped with the Father because they are one.
If Strawman was actually a group of people.. it would be the Hebrews lol
The word was cooking.. I never see. Him do this good... Daaaannnggg....
God bless you all for giving a true account for why you believe what you believe. These Hebrew Israelites remain firm and concrete in their belief and are not able to allow themselves to completely understanding that God and Jesus are the same in essence and nature and won’t move beyond the obvious.
Bro Hosha getting COOKED
He was at his end 😂😂😂
Godlogic wears his cooking cap😂😂😂
Time to cook😂😂
I'm at work and when Chris Clause said the birds fly west I started laughing so hard every though I had went crazy
@@ddmcgee 1:24:48
1:24:47 - just a little nugget
@@followjdr gets me every time 😃
Hebrews 1:4-5 *The Most High made Jesus Christ*
It’s so frustrating to watch someone blatantly and proudly contradict themselves and then act like they are making sense and it’s everyone’s else’s fault for not understanding.
Who contradicted themselves?
@@Cherry-s8s8l🫣🤯💨🧠🫵
@@Cherry-s8s8lBHI
The book of *HEBREWS* gives the final answer on all this,Amen!
14:45 Jehebrew Witnessrealites 😂
I mean the Hebrews Israelites were right they just can’t execute it as well as us JWs. During my discussion with Avery he couldn’t hang and hung up on me.
@@yahuhallah1259the entire prophecy of one crying in the wilderness preparing the way for Jehovah was fulfilled in John the Baptist & Jesus in your translation.
@@ThyWiIIbeDone Yes sir I agree 👍🏼
@@yahuhallah1259 even exegeting the NWT puts you in a dilemma.
@@ThyWiIIbeDone Oh it does how so?
Because David was the example of what Kings should be! He trusted God! He was a man after God's heart.
The delusion is crazy they literally understand scripture however they want
It’s a racial thing
The BHI guys were bodied sooo hard even when they argued the Greek words for worship.
Prudence for MVP 🙌 😂😂
Glory be to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit 🙏
Avery, going forward can you have your opponents explain the Trinity to you before they debate against it. Like that should have to be in your opener or pre-debate talks because most of the time you do this half the debate is explaining to your opponent that they do not know what the doctrine of the Trinity is.
My brothers in Christ cooked something serious! Jesus is God manifested in the flesh thank you Jesus! ❤ May God open the eyes of those who eyes has been blinded! I love how my brothers handled this with grace and seasoned with salt!✝️
“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, so that they will have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Genesis 1:26-27
And if you say God & the angels or anybody but God, then you contradict verse 27. WHO’S US? IN OUR LIKENESS?
But we still don't know who Prudence is, 😂
That Hosha Yah guy got so befuddled it was funny to watch him trying to say Jesus is the wisdom described in Proverbs not knowing that with their interpretation it would mean God didn't have wisdom before he created Jesus🤦🏿♂️, he started stuttering and sweating when he realised he was in trouble😂😂😂
He devolved into hmmmm, uhhhhhh,....its in scriptures
@bpraise517 WHAAT?👀, Jesus was devolved into wisdom🤦🏿♂️🤣, think about what you're saying and ask yourself if what you're saying makes sense.. you Hebrews Israelites are taught a false doctrine to believe that Jesus is the wisdom described in Proverbs without knowing the implications of what saying that would mean and now you're scrambling around making up stuff🤦🏿♂️, where does it say the father devolved wisdom into Jesus?
@@theLordistheSpiritThe Hebrew Israelites are correct they just don’t know how to deliver it properly. What Prov 8:22-32 is telling us is that Jesus was created and he’s not Gods internal wisdom but Jesus is being personified as wisdom. The HI dropped the ball and should have paralleled John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-19 to proverbs. Not one time did they say Jesus was being personified as wisdom. That debunks the whole Trinitarian argument.
@yahuhallah1259 you're making as much sense as the Hebrew Isralites on the stream, which is NO SENSE!
@@theLordistheSpirit Which part didn't make sense? Can you refute it? Hopefully, you can make better arguments than the Trinitarians on the panel. Granted, they did better than the Hebrew Israelites, but saying I make no sense is easier said than to prove it right?
I see that the Israelites is adding to the Bible,
Love claus approach ❤
They're not really following the story of Jacob and Esau either.. They think they are Jacob that got relegated but that's not what the book teaches. So their premise even starts with a falsehood.
Lol. Roasting on the HI on the slick 27:15 Lol!!
The while wisdom coming in to existence convo, I think the Israelites mean the wisdom came in to a physical realm, but the conceptual/spiritual existence always was.
The wisdom is eternal.
God bless the Man of God. The Lord Jesus has really blessed Avery with so much knowledge and wisdom.
They debunked their whole argument by reading Philippians 2:5-10🔥🔥🤣🤣🤣
I Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
I love Avery.
Speaking of blocking people for no good reason.....I got blocked from the chat, and I don't remember if it was Godlogic Apologetics or Godlogic 2.0, but the mods blocked me from the chat just for using all caps. The only reason I was using all caps was because my keyboard was messed up. That's not a reason to restrict me from being part of the conversation when I've been a subscriber for a long time and never done anything wrong or caused any problems on the channel. Some mods be letting their perceived power go to their head and in my opinion that's not the fruit of a true Christian.
Hey, your keyboard has been healed!
@@ShadyJay27 got em 😂
they know we gone show some truth block me to
Yea blocking is weak, reminds me of Sam
@@IsraeliteBrotherhoodat this point it’s entertaining to watch you field beasts fumble around.
They had my boy stammering. I would have wrote it down like an equation. Jesus= Wisdom, Jesus =The Word. The Word = Enternity. God's Wisdom =Enternity. Jesus = Enternity.
This has got to be the most respectful dialogue/debate I've ever seen with BHI. It's definitely not a Cap T conversation. 🤮🤮🤮
Which is why his names is above every name
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (elohim plural) includes the father the son and holy spirit... then God said let there be light. Look at the Hebrew it actually says jehovah as isreals light came out of Glory into the plain.
Christ was with the father always they were one until he began to create they still were one but he stepped out of glory
Notice how it says brought forth its talking about movement not created ...
This is sad, if Christ was created, to create all things, won't this contradict Deuteronomy 6:4? Saying there is one creator,but associating creation with His ability as God?
Introduce yourself sheesh that was hard already know how this was going to go
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2:00:53 God says he shares his glory with no one but shares it with Jesus Multiple time so either a contradiction or 1 God 3 persons
Does the bible say if you don't believe in the trinity, you will not be saved?...NO
But it does say Keep the commandments and faith in Christ. Why are we not teaching that?
This whole trinity debate is a distraction.
Who is the WORD? JESUS who also is God because they share the same essence same authority, same missions which have been given from the Father to the Son. The father and the son is distinct.👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Philippians 2 verse 5 through 11 tells you Jesus has equally with the Father
These guys are ready to eat the first guy up … he doesn’t even realize hes contradicting himself 🤦🏻♂️
Lol sheiklogic i love how Avery is always making things silly and light. Comedic
I blame the school systems from creating Africa American Muslims and black Hebrew Israelite. READING WITH UNDERSTANDING IS FUNDAMENTAL
@thewordandi brilliant argument about wisdom and, by their logic, that meaning that God didnt have wisdom until he created Jesus.
Colossians 1 is clear
Christ is the first born of what He is…creation
Just like David was the first born king… he was the first born of what he is..
I cannot be the first born of something that I am not,
It doesn’t make sense
So if scripture says that Christ is the first born of all creation, whether you believe that it is Preeminence or first born literally, He is the first born of what He is
Good point!! Trinitarians are just inconsistent. If David is the firstborn of the Kings that doesn't exclude him from being in the group of a King. Likewise, if Jesus is the firstborn of all creation that doesn't exclude him from being part of creation. They would be okay with King David, but won't be okay with Jesus being part of the group.
@@yahuhallah1259 exactly!!
@@yahuhallah1259it does exclude him from being the firstborn King since he was the 2nd king. You sound coocoo
Albee and Logic moving like prime shaq and kobe
Shoutout my boy Prudence 💯
Hosa was saying two different things. He was saying the Word was, and it was created in the same sentence. God is the word John 1:1 and John 1:18 God is his son.
Confused the whole time that the Hebrew Israelites were speaking smh 😢
So were they.
I have to say I liked the debate it was awesome a big shout out to the brothers who defended the father, Son , Holy Spirit. 👍
Different songs but they all do the same dance. You can’t run from the truth. If you do you get cooked. May the Lord bless this food.
I want to be clear about Psalm 89. David was not the first King in the as in one ruling over people, however he is the first King of the earth as in dominion over other kings/kingdoms. During his reign there was not another king higher than David. So he was the first King of the earth just like Christ Kingdom will be the greatest. He being King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Their were "kings of the earth" before David. So he was not the firstborn king of the earth. Just because there were none other during his time higher does not mean there never were others who had that title
@ The first of his kind!!! David’s kingdom exceeded that of his predecessors. He was hand picked and backed by The Most High.
@@wclove06 in the live comment sections i called their bluff everytime. It’s a pattern with all the doubters of the trinity. Over here this word is literally, but over here, now it’s only metaphorically. This is why i called them liars. Picking and choosing how to define words. Very convenient, very sneaky.
@wclove06 it doesn't say first of his kind. It says firstborn king of the world. He wasn't. Just like nowhere in the scripture does it say Jesus was created rather that he created all things. Both cannot be true simultaneously. It's a contradiction unless you're willing to say Jesus created himself. Which is a paradox. Either way you're stuck
@@yohnjates He’s on our side lol
Genesis 1 says repeatedly “God said”, “God said”, “God said”. When God said, things came into existence. I saw once that someone said that all things being created *through* Jesus, means it wasn’t created *by* Him. But God created all things by SAYING. What do you say? Your word. All things were created when the WORD said so. That’s how all things were created “through” Jesus *and* by Jesus.
Albee knew what he was doing all along! He let them go and then cooked them with scripture seasoning!
I give you one better.. what is prudence?
To the lamb and who sat on the throne, they are not equal in power
WHEN WILL GODLOGIC QUIT RUNNING FROM A DEBATE WITH ME
Dangggg Mr Albee Al came and cleared the plate
Hebrew's getting sizzled!!!
I would love to hear the Hebrew Isrealites address Jesus saying that He is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation. They also didn't fully address The Father worshipping The Son in Hebrews 1:8 fully.
Very very simple as someone else explains in the chat, emanating from or proceeding from the father automatically makes you the same nature, i.e God, when they began creating, you are of a different nature and makeup
1:40:30 Just watch this part and listen to brother Hosha’s answer to decide if you want to deal with 3 hrs of this type of reasoning.
2:23:07 albee cooked here man
It was a civil conversation until Yashar Zayan came in. Not one voice was raised and that’s how they think they win
I must’ve missed it. Where does the Bible say Jesus is God’s wisdom?
GOOD DEBATE!!!pun intended this was on a different level
Albee why you do them like that😂😂
this was a whooping lol
Who was sitting on the throne?
I want to have a constructive debate with the Israelites
Philippians 2:5-8
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
These brothers said Jesus is the Father’s wisdom while also reading that the lord created wisdom. So, Jesus created himself?
The way Hebrew Israelites argue, cracks me up😂😂😂
Only 20 minutes in…. Why do all Hebrew Israelites read scripture the same way with the main person asking rhetorical questions to have the reader reread the verse again. It’s like a theatrical performance
Why do Trinitarians believe that Jesus is Almighty God? That's what you should be more concerned about.
What does through him mean? The most high was working through him
God had us write this down so we can understand the wisdom that Jesus had doesn't mean that God didn't have wisdom this is a waste of time to debate these Christians they're just playing with words
"Why do we see jesus being worshipped in heaven-revelations 5 vs 13" 😢thats where everwhere became cold menn. This is tragic .
I couldn’t do this!🤦🏾♂️
Is sirach in the bible if it is , is that ecclesiastes they are referring to because what they read and what is in the bible is the same thing
It’s in the apocrypha, Sirach is (another) book of wisdom