I've had this video in the works for several months now. It's a first for the channel too as it's the first full form video on the channel edited with DaVinci Resolve. My old editing software, Hitfilm is in the dumps now thanks to it being sold to a company that stopped updating it, so I'm experimenting with other editing software, DaVinci being one of them. If you got some other editing software in mind similar to Hitfilm, please let me know as while Resolve has been good, it's not been the best to work with. I'd really love to have a Hitfilm like editor again.
lol I feel like that Hitfilm is a Premiere Pro ripoff which I tried using it in March 2021 but I regret it. Props for that software that is claimed to be better than Premiere Pro because I’ve used that as my main editing software and will be.
Reminds me of that one episode of iCarly when Spencer and Gibby spend an entire episode trying to fix the countertop in the kitchen because Spencer broke the edge of it by killing a fly with an umbrella.
Alternatively, the entire episode revolves around Dipper trying to kill a fly that got into the mystery shack with a broom, and somewhere in the episode he falls down like one story. This is completely original idea and not derivative of anything at all!
Even without it completely changing Dipper's character, the concept of his fly being down the whole time is also just a weird thing to make into an episode.
@@suspiciousstar7547 He was. Even before the stuff about Roiland came out, I noticed that Alex had deleted a lot of old tweets mentioning Rick and Morty and didn't seem to follow him anymore. Similarly R&M stopped doing the occasional GF Easter egg in it after season 3 iirc. Considering it's been reported the stuff about him went back to 2020, I guess Alex and others who were friends or worked with him once knew and cut ties early on. That's a topic far beyond my qualifications as a fan to dive into but from what I personally remember, that's what I saw regarding that all.
I think the ghost boy unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is odd because it's sort of sexual assault and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is odd too so maybe the kid deserved to get mocked? The ghost kid has creepy tendencies. Dipper seems to only be mean to people that deserve it in his eyes, Robbie and Pacifica for example. The kid was probably creepy or mean to his sister and Dipper didn't like it, maybe like another Gideon. Maybe that's why Mabel was scared to reject Gideon because something scary happened to make her scared of rejecting boys.
Yeah...I'm beyond glad this was nothing beyond a pitch idea for an episode, incredibly weak, not to mention out of character, Dipper isn't a bully, heck, he is a victim of bullying, feels completely out of character. Tho it seems that the fly joke was re-used in The Book of Bill.
@@Criz454 Yup, in one of the pages he talks about Dipper's most embarrassing moments (tho I personally would pick that with a pinch of salt, cause we need to remember this is Bill, he would lie and exaggerate just to make Dipper look bad).
Yeah not feeling comfortable with Dipper's fly being down, it has the same feeling as that old trope of bullies pulling down someone's pants down. Never found it funny cause back then I saw it for what it was, just plain harassment. Also not feeling okay with Mabel being forced to date a ghost. As you pointed it out it's just like the whole Gideon situation all over again. Maybe Mabel agrees to it but it sounds like Mabel would be Forced to go on a date she doesn't want to please a deceased boy who can't take no for an answer.
I'm glad they didn't go through with this. Making Dipper characterized as a bully would have probably ruined his reputation as an awkward, nerdy, and caring kid the show had always shown us. Plus, Dipper was a victim of bullying, so making him a bully out of nowhere wouldn't have felt right. One of the greatest things Gravity Falls represented was its theme on manlihood and that being a sensitive guy was nothing to be ashamed of. So, this episode would have probably messed that theme up as well.
It could work, maybe the kid was mocking Dipper too or he was just a terrible kid. Plus, the ghost boy always unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is odd and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is odd too. It gives me nice guy vibes. Dipper seems to be mean to people that deserve it, for example Pacifica and Robbie.
“Oh a scraped GF episode? A bad one? Must be something silly like-“ “Dipper used to bully a kid that liked his sister and then the kid DIED (POTENTIALLY FROM the bullying) going on to haunt Dipper until he gets a date with Mabel… 😊”
Dear lord. Mabel still gets hate TO THIS DAY over accidentally handing Bill the rift when she was at her lowest, imagine all of the hate Dipper would have gotten if this episode was actually made. I'm glad this was left on the cutting room floor.
@@slimgrim3607 specifically for the rift thing, I think the writing hurt it a bit. I get there are time constraints and I thought it worked well enough, but I think mabel and "blendin" should've had a less quick convo abt the whole thing before she was willing to give away smth that wasn't hers. ik the point was that dipper and ford should've told mabel abt the rift but I can see how someone can view mabel negatively in that scene. and I think that's the root of the whole thing, I like mabel but I think some lil problems w/ the writing make some ppl hate on her kinda disproportionately. it's not easily explained--this reply's getting longer than I wanted but lemme give another lil example since I was thinking abt it lately. in the mabel land ep, (putting aside the implication that mabel was entranced) it'd been bugging me that dipper, wendy and soos never told mabel abt bill causing weirdmageddon. like just tell her that and I'm sure she'll leave the bubble to help everyone; and I'm sure that's WHY the writers just had them not mention it, so the ep could have precedent to happen. but mabel haters, rather than seeing that for the writing flaw it is, frame as if mabel doesn't care what happens to gravity falls when the fact is she just wasn't told how bad it'd gotten. like that's a "preferable" view on things for them. hope I'm making some sense
@@slimgrim3607 I want to point out that I don't hate her...I relate to her a lot😅especially the whole 'thinking high school was a muscial' as i assumed that too
She is emotionally vulnerable having her expectations pulled out from under her, and she’s also a victim in Hand That Rocks the Mabel. Other episodes I’m less forgiving of her in though, like Little Dipper, Into the Bunker (not the right place to have Dipper admit his crush to Wendy) and Roadside Attraction (which puts Dipper as the bad guy for what is good development for him, just because Mabel can’t ship him and Candy).
I don’t think Dipper being a bully at one point dismantles his character, as he does have a people pleaser problem and could most likely have been involved in a toxic friend group that pushed him to mock others to look cool (we literally see his silence towards abuse in the show with how he wants to look in front of Wendy’s friends). I’m not saying the concept is bad or good, I’m just saying it’s not too out there of a concept, and quite a lot of people can relate to the “bullied but then bully who is haunted by their awful actions to look cool” I imagine.
Agreed. Particularly considering the whole thing about Wendy's group being held together by a friend everyone mocks, to the point Dipper laughed along too. He's not beyond maybe mocking someone if he thinks it'd make him more well-liked (particularly if he ALREADY gets bullied) but that concept would depend heavily on how willingly he did it, how often he did it, and how long ago that happened, but honestly, I prefer what we got a bunch more.
I would like to point out one aspect of Dipper is that he's very insecure and gives in to peer pressure, I could easily see the backstory to the bullying being that when other kids made fun of this kid Dipper joined in in order to fit in and get the bullies attention off of him, and the ghost specifically targets Dipper because he was "betraying a fellow loser" or something like that, imo Dipper bullying another kid in elementary school because he was scared of being bullied himself would actually be very in character
A fly episode? i'll be the judge o- "Dippers fly is always down. Turns out this is caused by the ghost of a kid he always used to mock in elementary school. He's getting what he deserved for tormenting the guy. In order for him to let the curse go Dipper has to get the ghost what the ghost wants" ...Oh.. Oh dear..
I think calling it "disturbing" is an overexaggeration. It feels more like Dipper picked on someone weaker than him as a way to cope with being picked on himself. It's honestly pretty realistic: he was little, with volatile emotions, and didn't think he was causing as much harm as he was. Alternatively, that kid could of just been a creep in general, who wouldn't stop hitting on Mabel. Or maybe their mocking was mutual. Either way, I'm sure there are plenty of people who could relate to that.
I think what makes it disturbing isn’t the fact Dipper was a bully, I think what makes this extremely disturbing is how the Kid he was bullying is now a ghost, implying… you know what, and the fact Dipper was the first person he went to get his licks back implies Dipper played a bigger part in his… going ghost.
@@FizzyPopVevo yea like dipper being a bully- a bit weird but there's potential for some character stuff there. But the ghost of the kid just adds....an unpleasant feel to it even if the kid just died in an accident or something
@@FizzyPopVevo Not really. It could easily be that the kid ran away crying because he felt humiliated and suddenly got hit by a car (so he haunts Dipper in his misplaced anger). There's no reason to assume there weren't other factors involved. 🤷🏿♂️
I think it could’ve been interesting to explore a bully victim being given the chance to have that power over another kid and how its a toxic cycle, like dipper pointed out the kids fly was down once and if embarrassed him, and he never thought about it again, it would be crappy, but would it RUIN Dipper?
I feel like I could imagine a way to make two of those flaws work. Make it clear that Dipper wasn't consistently bullying this kid, maybe like, once in second grade or something, Dipper was being mocked over something and felt embarrassed, then he looked around the room and saw one kid with his fly down, and sort of panicking, just went "Hey look! Timmy's got his fly down!" Just to get the attention off of him, then he never thought about the incident again, but it stuck with "Timmy". That way, Dipper isn't exactly a "bully" just someone who did something mean once without thinking about the consequences. As for the Mabel problem, I think that's kind of simple, just have her be into the idea of dating a ghost. Maybe introduce some kind of parody of the movie "Ghost" staring Patrick Swayze to introduce the idea that Mabel thinks dating a ghost sounds romantic, so when they ghost tells Dipper he wants a date with Mabel, it seems like all the pieces coming together instead of Dipper being selfish. It would of course go all wrong, but I think it'd at least be less gross. However, that still leaves us with a plot featuring a dead child, so even if those solutions work, this was still a plot best left on the cutting room floor.
@@fonejunky6306 that could work, but it'd be kind of a lot to have a time traveling ghost, and it'd make him wanting to date Mabel, Wayyy creepier, unless maybe Dipper travels forward in time to arrange a date with an adult Mabel, but that'd definitely be way too much too
Not bad. There's still one problem, though: why would this kid come and haunt Dipper if he's only been mean to him once? He could be taking revenge on someone who really bullied him instead ...
@@pseudonymequelconque4260 some people hold grudges for really petty reasons. Personally, I think it'd make the ghost work better as an antagonist if there's an element of pettiness to him still being mad at Dipper over the one time he embarrassed him
I think 'The Book of Bill' had a possible nod to the dilemma in 'The Fly.' At one point in it, Bill is writing embarrassing details about Dipper, and mentions that "His fly was down for all three days of Weirdmageddon, and everyone but him noticed it! He's nicknamed 'Zipper Pines' in Mabel, Tambry and Mayor Tyler's groupchat!"
@@ThatGFFAN Honestly, even the joke in The Book of Bill feels a bit much: the fly joke in the promo is okay, it's a punctual funny teasing from siblings, but in the book of Bill is too cruel, I mean, the full town mocking a boy over his fly being down in the middle of the end of the world? The entire town mocking and bullying one of the two kids that helped save the town, not just Mabel (which is bad enough, considering he had just rescued her), but one of their supposed friends and the mayor? I dunno, feels a bit too cruel to me, so I like to think that maybe Bill made that one up just to embarrass and humilliate Dipper, and paint him in a bad light for the readers.
@@dracoangelrojo But it's not the entire town, it's only a select few people. And even then, we know none of them said anything to his face. I don't see anything cruel about that. At best, it's harmless gossip, or an inside joke.
I thought of a way to kind of salvage the episode, like what if the kid was being like Gideon and wouldn’t lay off Mabel. Dipper picks on him because he was being a turd, and there’s always the possibility that he died by some other means.
personally, i think the mocking would probably just be an exaggeration. perhaps dipper, being the honest person he is, was brutally honest to this kid, perhaps how he is to pacifica, but unlike her, with no malice, perhaps just correcting things here and there. or, maybe this kid was really into mabel like gideon is, to a weird obsession/stalking/whatever extent, and dipper didnt like how he was treating mabel or how he made her feel, so was a little (and perhaps rightfully) hostile towards him. those are my ideas, as dipper wouldnt be a bully for bully sakes canonically, although the whole idea is outlandish to begin with
It seems pretty obvious that Alex came up with the pun first - the famous horror film The Fly being turned into a pant’s zipper - and then extrapolated a passably spooky justification and lesson out of it. The whole thing is a single paragraph and reads like uncertain brainstorming, a “get it on the page” kinda deal. If anything had come out of this, it’d probably have been retooled to be about Gideon cursing Dipper, or Robbie getting cursed and Dipper learning to overcome his distaste for the guy to help someone in need, or maybe it would have been a magical/sci-fi intelligent fly, to double back onto the joke again.
dipper being a bully kind of. makes sense? like, i don't know about anyone else, but i was bullied for pretty much my whole life. i know how much it fucks you up. but there was a guy who wouldn't leave my friend group alone, even if we flat-out said "you're making us uncomfortable, please go away." so. well. we all turned on him. in hindsight, he probably thought it was friendly teasing, because he kept coming back, but at the time i just wanted an escape from classes shared with people who'd shoot spitballs and harass me, with my equally weird friends what i'm getting at is, if there was a kid who kept following mabel around and making her uncomfortable, dipper absolutely strikes me as the kind of person who'd go, like, "okay. psychological warfare. this guy always has his fly down. this is a trait that can be used to mock and other him. if i continue doing this, he will leave mabel alone." like, the logic sucks, but it does fit with his character
Dipper is such a good brother. But, not only brothers can be protective, like, my older sister is very protective and even some her less favorable actions are usually with protective intentions. Heck, she even cooks for us sometimes. I love and appreciate her so much.
I feel like y’all inferred something that was never part of it. Also it was elementary school when it happened, which means both relevance to dipper’s current character and suicide are both unlikely. The worst part of this idea is the date with Mabel part, and the second worst is that it added literally nothing. I feel like mocking a kid in elementary school can’t be more problematic than what he did in roadside attraction, though it would be more out of character.
Also this kinda reminds me of that ep of Danny phantom w/ the ghost of that teenage boy from the 50s. Bullying victim dies and uses his ghost powers to become a bully himself
6:30-7:07 Exactly! Virtue, in and of itself, is its own reward. Families-and by extension, siblings-don’t need to owe anything to their loved ones just for being caring. Even taking that out of the equation, I get the feeling that when Bill was asking Dipper "When has she ever returned the favor?", he wasn’t just manipulating Dipper, but the audience as well. It made it easy to forget when she used the leaf blower on the gnomes, destroyed Gideon’s amulet, solved Quentin Trembly’s clues, USED HER GRAPPLING HOOK TO SAVE DIPPER FROM DYING IN THE GIDEON BOT’S EXPLOSION, and thought of the idea of using karaoke to destroy the zombie horde. If that’s not returning the favor of Dipper’s heroics, I don’t know what is.
I’m actually so glad this did not get made into an ep it would have ruined Dipper as a character and the kid being a ghost thing might have been too dark. And that’s coming from an Omori fan
Maybe the story could have Bill in it going into Dipper's dream and turning it into a nightmare. This would be the nightmare after the "into the Bunker!" episode (due to the Shapeshifter and also Soos saying "Good luck sleeping tonight dude")
The villain of the ep sounds too sympathetic. Ignoring the possibility of him offing himself, dipper apparently bullied him badly enough to make him seek revenge and even if they tried to go the route of “all dipper did was cut in front of him for the water fountain 1 time” or “dipper was only mean to him bc he was a creep to mabel”, I don’t think it’d work. He’s a dead child, the audience will automatically feel bad for him even if they tried to soften the fact he was bullied by dipper. And it’s almost cute how all he’s doing for his revenge is pulling dipper’s fly down when I’m sure a ghost could do much worse if they wanted. If the ep ended w/ dipper no longer caring abt his fly and the ghost being “defeated”, I don’t think that’d be very satisfying. I mean think abt the lumberjack ghost, that dude turned a mansion full of innocent ppl to wood and he got a happy ending. Sounds like a pretty messy story, idk how to fix it w/o changing the premise outright
@@cartoonishidealism582 tbf gideon was fine in prison and he did eventually get his happy ending--if the prison in the show worked like a real world adult prison uh yeah I think ppl would consider that a bit harsh lol but instead it's goofy cartoon prison where gideon just had to do arts & crafts w/ a bunch of tough dudes. also I might be way off but I think even in real life a child could go to prison for what he did
I think they could have fixed this episode by just making the ghost be Dipper's bully, back to bully dipper into getting what he wants instead of dipper being a bully.
I can't imagine writing an entire Soulmates episode (that's the title of my independent cartoon I am writing), where the whole plot is just humiliating Ethan (one of the main characters of the series) for a whole 11 minutes by having his uhh... pants pulled down as consequence for bullying some kid at his school who is like also dead, and would only stop haunting him if he lets them go on a date with one of his friends (he doesn´t have any biological siblings, though he has a sibling in Boo, his ¨soulmate¨ , pun intended, or spirit companion) to which would have very dark implications and would be very uncomfortable for me to write on a Google Doc, more so than the amount of chaotic ideas I can think of in my imaginative lil brain, Ethan is sarcastic and can be often a little bit harsh to others, mostly cause he is insecure and stuff, but he has a good heart and wouldn't actually like tell a kid to end his life or something that far, an idea like that would make him out of character, also the idea is just too mean-spirited for my series that is mostly lighthearted and wholesome for a supernatural cartoon about a 12 year old boy going through life while making friends with dead people. Anyway, yeah, glad Alex scrapped that Gravity Falls episode idea.
I feel like maybe this episode idea could have been reworked into something useable if they changed it into a ghost of a local bully who had died in an accident and who was now picking on all the kids in town, similar to Nerdy Prudes Must Die except the ghost's bullying is less lethal.
I get the title is a reference to Jeff Goldblum but given what it really "means", it almost feels like it coud have belong to the 90's early 00's when episodes on crude stuff like burp and farts were the norm!
Ok, so I know it was a draft but I think several things could have helped/fixed the Episode. 1. The ghost is no longer Dipper's victim but a random kid from the local school who never got a date during life (he was rejected for always being a jerk to everyone, as he was so forgettable that makes Dipper finding about him really difficult) 2. Mabel just rejected going to some local dance because Dipper is not getting invited. The dance is commemorative from a 50 year old prom. To make it they had to excavate a zone and in doing so they dig up the skull of a kid releasing its ghost 3. Dipper has very low self-esteem because of his fly and the ghost asks Dipper to get him a date, he may specifically ask for Mabel cause some kind of crush but dipper refuses so instead he'll try and show him how to get a girl from example but he also keeps getting rejected 4. Mabel finds out and wants to help dipper dating the ghost while dipper doesn't want Mabel to do it to not harras her/depend on her but since her broke up with lil Gideon she has become more confident and if she wants to dump him she would 5. By talking to the grown up kids from the old school prom they realize that some people are not worthy of being remembered, sometimes a bully should be ignored and you shoud move on from things like that 6. At the end they decide it's not worthy to give that ghost bully the attention and decide to ignore him until he moves on and they together go to the prom dipper don't minding his zipper down
Honestly, yeah. This could work. Or even just leaving out the context of it being a kid Dipper bullied entirely and it would be a fine episode even as written.
The scrapped Gravity falls episodes called “the party monster” sounds similar to “return to wartwood” from amphibia. But AT LEAST the plantars found a monster that wouldn’t really hurt anyone that is until the townspeople started attacking but hey they didn’t plan that!
personally I almost kinda wonder if its another creepy boy character trying to woo Mabel when she isn't interested type situation (seeing as it already happened with the gnomes and Gideon). While I don't think it would really justify the bullying I could still see Dipper acting aggressive in hopes to make the kid back off from bothering Mabel because it strikes me as particularly weird that instead of asking for Dipper to apologize as a way to put this all behind him and probably pass from limbo he specifically asks for a date with his sister, that doesn't particularly sound like a tortured soul situation, but eh that's my best guess.
5:05 if you don't get it he pretty much says is that Dipper mocked him and how he died was because he was sad of him mocking him and killed himself that's how he died Btw he did say “There not enough context” I only said that just in case people don't know what he was talking about
5:38 I mean, if the clues from the journal are any indication, I'd say Archibald Corduroy (aka the Northwest Ghost) and all the other lumberjacks that worked on that home ARE the bodies buried under the Mystery Shack.
Honestly, I think the fact that dipper did use to mock a kid does make him more relatable. For one, a lot of people bully others because they have problems, so it’s not unlikely that dipper would bully someone because he was bullied to try and feel like he has some power. Plus it gives dipper some negative characterization showing that he’s not perfect, and it shows that he’s grown and matured since then as well. Characters having negative traits is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I dont think Dipper use to bully a kid makes him less likable or relatable. Everyoens been a bully at some point. My issue is the implication that he bullied a kid into suicide
I think this episode has bones and could have been something if two major things were changed. Stan instead of Dipper, and a curse instead of a ghost. Give it the backstory of Stan deciding not to tell someone their fly was down just to see the victim embarrass himself through a night that was important to him. Have it intensify with various other humiliating things (that are G-rated) spread to Dipper and Mabel (untied shoes for example). Have it be about Stan being unwitting and too proud to give an apology. Then spring it on the audience the twist the whole time was that Stan only wears sweat pants.
I was not expecting to hear GF fan swear 😭 On a serious note, as a dipper fan yeah this episode sounds like it would’ve SUCKED but what’s crazy to me is that it was thought out like this since they were probably decently far into the show at this point they would know how to characterize dipper. Like even if you said this ep isn’t redeemable regardless of what they took out, I think if they just had the ghost not be a kid dipper bully, not have any interest in Mabel and just be some trouble maker ghost in town, it could be a pretty decent episode- but instead they thought of something that’s basically what people call character assassination.
The thing is, even at a young impressionable age, if in elementary Dipper got teased or bullied, it’s not completely out of the question that he might try the same thing with another kid. Hence why the cycle of bullying continues Expose someone to anger long enough, and they will learn to hate
I just saw this thumbnail when I was scrolling and thought I would never remember it, little did I know a day or two later I would remember it enough to search it. That's a damn good thumbnail 👍
Ooh jeez, with Dipper being my favorite character, this episode would have decimated practically everything about him. Dipper is all about standing for good and protecting his loved ones, and this episode is anything but so. Reminds a tiny bit of early versions of Toy Story, thry had to make Woody nicer during Production, as he was downright evil at first. Also call me crazy, but this episode sorta sounds like a super early version of The Hand that rocks the Mabel, as it Deals with Mabel dating someone she never wanted to date.
Instead of an episode like this, maybe they should address Dipper wearing the same clothes every day and Mabel trying to convince him to wash his clothes and take a shower bc hes a musty preteen.
The idea that someone teasing others makes them unrelatable is silly. Everyone has been that person teasing or bullying at some point. So more likely you wouldn't WANT to relate to that, but we all could.... The episode idea is terrible though.
I think Dipper had a good reason to mock that kid because Dipper is only mean to people that deserve it, for example Robbie and Pacifica. the ghost boy unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is sort of sexual assault and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is creepy as well, it's like Mabel is a object to him. It gives me nice guy vibes. The ghost boy was probably creepy/mean to his sister and Dipper didn't like it and you know how Mabel is, she would be too nice to do anything so she'll go to Dipper for help.
You know what this reminds me of? Dream episodes. You know like when you're dreaming your dream is just an episode of a show you're watching but like the dream is just the episode, you aren't there you're just watching it play out in your mind? Yeah it's like that. This pitch sounds like one of those dream episodes that you know would never actually be an episode of the show and you question why you dreamed of it.
9:02 Kinda unrelated, but I wonder if this means that Bill manipulating our main characters would have been a consistent thing throughout the series, instead of just a few times. Would have been really intersting to see regardless.
yeah i’m glad they didn’t go with this ,, dipper would never auction his sister off ?? yes characters need to have flaws but dipper has plenty that make him realistic
It's so weirdly specific of an idea that I'm worried this was also supposed to be one of those Dipper episodes that are based off of Alex's life, like the scrapped Double Dipper one. Just the bullying part goes so against the entire show's values that it's kind of a shock to think about.
to play devil's advocate what if dipper was good intentioned but the kid took his innocent behavior as teasing? maybe the kid always had his fly down and Dipper would always tell him that his fly was down just trying to be helpful but the kid thought dipper was the one pulling down his fly and that he was doing this to tease him. wouldnt fix it but it would mitigate your biggest issue.
I can try to suggest a few changes, It may not work but I’ll give it a shot, make the kid the bully not Dipper, have dipper not immediately use Mabel as a solution, instead he tries various other ways and when all of them fail, he doesn’t force Mabel, he just ignores the bully, who soon after stops bullying Dipper, which helps carry the message “sometimes the best thing to do is to ignore”, like i said earlier it may not work but I wanted to try and make the scrapped not so bad, what do you think?
I've had this video in the works for several months now. It's a first for the channel too as it's the first full form video on the channel edited with DaVinci Resolve. My old editing software, Hitfilm is in the dumps now thanks to it being sold to a company that stopped updating it, so I'm experimenting with other editing software, DaVinci being one of them. If you got some other editing software in mind similar to Hitfilm, please let me know as while Resolve has been good, it's not been the best to work with. I'd really love to have a Hitfilm like editor again.
lol I feel like that Hitfilm is a Premiere Pro ripoff which I tried using it in March 2021 but I regret it. Props for that software that is claimed to be better than Premiere Pro because I’ve used that as my main editing software and will be.
Use Premier! That’s what I use at least lol
Windows movie maker is best.
Hitfilm is the goat, I still have my old download because I hated the new look 😭😭😭🙏
@@ItsJohnny9600 no
"The Fly" - Dipper spends several hours trying to kill a fly in an underground lab
@@juke9674 and it's still somehow one of the best episodes of the entire series
or dipper creates a teleporter but goes through it with a fly and gets infused with fly dna and slowly mutates into a fly monster
@@juke9674 jesse we need to cook
Reminds me of that one episode of iCarly when Spencer and Gibby spend an entire episode trying to fix the countertop in the kitchen because Spencer broke the edge of it by killing a fly with an umbrella.
@@reviewerofcomments Dipper vs the fly is the B plotline, meanwhile the A plotline drops the heaviest amount of lore we've ever seen
Alternate universe were the fly is about the ghost of a fly that dipper killed and it keeps bugging him for the whole episode.
You just salvaged the episode, lmao!
It's eventually revealed to be the mosquito that gave him the "Bewarb" message on his arm
I haven’t watched this video yet, but isn’t that an adventure time episode?
Now THATS perfect
Alternatively, the entire episode revolves around Dipper trying to kill a fly that got into the mystery shack with a broom, and somewhere in the episode he falls down like one story. This is completely original idea and not derivative of anything at all!
Even without it completely changing Dipper's character, the concept of his fly being down the whole time is also just a weird thing to make into an episode.
yeah sounds more like the premise for a rick and morty episode 💀💀
@@giiniibushii Alex is or was friends with Justin Roiland, so that isn't too far-fetched 😭.
@@suspiciousstar7547 He was. Even before the stuff about Roiland came out, I noticed that Alex had deleted a lot of old tweets mentioning Rick and Morty and didn't seem to follow him anymore. Similarly R&M stopped doing the occasional GF Easter egg in it after season 3 iirc. Considering it's been reported the stuff about him went back to 2020, I guess Alex and others who were friends or worked with him once knew and cut ties early on. That's a topic far beyond my qualifications as a fan to dive into but from what I personally remember, that's what I saw regarding that all.
@@ThatGFFAN Oh. That's good at least. Things weren't looking too good with Justin, so I'm glad he cut ties with him.
It doesn't even get resolved so for the rest of the series his fly will be down
The idea of Dipper being a bully hurts me.
i would never have thought of dipper teasing a kid
Dipper would also be a bad bully. He's a smart and loving kid; trying to mock & harass others is not in his character.
@@TentacledProductions it’s more laughable than anything
I think the ghost boy unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is odd because it's sort of sexual assault and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is odd too so maybe the kid deserved to get mocked? The ghost kid has creepy tendencies. Dipper seems to only be mean to people that deserve it in his eyes, Robbie and Pacifica for example. The kid was probably creepy or mean to his sister and Dipper didn't like it, maybe like another Gideon. Maybe that's why Mabel was scared to reject Gideon because something scary happened to make her scared of rejecting boys.
very accurate to his personality tho
Yeah...I'm beyond glad this was nothing beyond a pitch idea for an episode, incredibly weak, not to mention out of character, Dipper isn't a bully, heck, he is a victim of bullying, feels completely out of character. Tho it seems that the fly joke was re-used in The Book of Bill.
oh it was? where?
@@Criz454 Yup, in one of the pages he talks about Dipper's most embarrassing moments (tho I personally would pick that with a pinch of salt, cause we need to remember this is Bill, he would lie and exaggerate just to make Dipper look bad).
Yeah not feeling comfortable with Dipper's fly being down, it has the same feeling as that old trope of bullies pulling down someone's pants down. Never found it funny cause back then I saw it for what it was, just plain harassment.
Also not feeling okay with Mabel being forced to date a ghost. As you pointed it out it's just like the whole Gideon situation all over again. Maybe Mabel agrees to it but it sounds like Mabel would be Forced to go on a date she doesn't want to please a deceased boy who can't take no for an answer.
This is the REAL lost episode creepypasta.
Lmao
"the camera panned down to Dipper"s shorts, revealing that his hyperrealistic fly was down. And then a skeleton popped out."
@@fonejunky6306 and then he cries blood or something
@@SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt hyper realistic blood too
Hey, at least they didn't go to Taco Bell this time
This feels like some shit Rigby would go through in a regular show episode
I was NOT expecting it to be so dark. Not to mention it is extremely out of character for Dipper to be a bully in that sense. But omg the plot💀😭🌲
Ah yes, death, sadness, and *TREE*
@@fonejunky6306 a *PINE* tree
I'm glad they didn't go through with this. Making Dipper characterized as a bully would have probably ruined his reputation as an awkward, nerdy, and caring kid the show had always shown us. Plus, Dipper was a victim of bullying, so making him a bully out of nowhere wouldn't have felt right.
One of the greatest things Gravity Falls represented was its theme on manlihood and that being a sensitive guy was nothing to be ashamed of. So, this episode would have probably messed that theme up as well.
It could work, maybe the kid was mocking Dipper too or he was just a terrible kid. Plus, the ghost boy always unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is odd and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is odd too. It gives me nice guy vibes. Dipper seems to be mean to people that deserve it, for example Pacifica and Robbie.
Maybe the ghost boy was creepy/mean towards his sister and Dipper didn't like it.
i mean a lot of bullies start out as victims of bullying who want to take their power back. It's not RIGHT, but its quite common.
@@Flesh-RotNo, yeah it does happen. It’s quite common. But I feel like that wouldn’t work with Dipper
“Oh a scraped GF episode? A bad one? Must be something silly like-“
“Dipper used to bully a kid that liked his sister and then the kid DIED (POTENTIALLY FROM the bullying) going on to haunt Dipper until he gets a date with Mabel… 😊”
Dear lord. Mabel still gets hate TO THIS DAY over accidentally handing Bill the rift when she was at her lowest, imagine all of the hate Dipper would have gotten if this episode was actually made. I'm glad this was left on the cutting room floor.
i FUCKING HATE IT. she is 12 years old, has parents that are getting a divorce, and has such an innocent and kind demeanor. HOW DO PEOPLE HATE HER????
People are more forgiving of male characters than female
@@slimgrim3607 specifically for the rift thing, I think the writing hurt it a bit. I get there are time constraints and I thought it worked well enough, but I think mabel and "blendin" should've had a less quick convo abt the whole thing before she was willing to give away smth that wasn't hers. ik the point was that dipper and ford should've told mabel abt the rift but I can see how someone can view mabel negatively in that scene.
and I think that's the root of the whole thing, I like mabel but I think some lil problems w/ the writing make some ppl hate on her kinda disproportionately. it's not easily explained--this reply's getting longer than I wanted but lemme give another lil example since I was thinking abt it lately. in the mabel land ep, (putting aside the implication that mabel was entranced) it'd been bugging me that dipper, wendy and soos never told mabel abt bill causing weirdmageddon. like just tell her that and I'm sure she'll leave the bubble to help everyone; and I'm sure that's WHY the writers just had them not mention it, so the ep could have precedent to happen. but mabel haters, rather than seeing that for the writing flaw it is, frame as if mabel doesn't care what happens to gravity falls when the fact is she just wasn't told how bad it'd gotten. like that's a "preferable" view on things for them. hope I'm making some sense
@@slimgrim3607 I want to point out that I don't hate her...I relate to her a lot😅especially the whole 'thinking high school was a muscial' as i assumed that too
She is emotionally vulnerable having her expectations pulled out from under her, and she’s also a victim in Hand That Rocks the Mabel. Other episodes I’m less forgiving of her in though, like Little Dipper, Into the Bunker (not the right place to have Dipper admit his crush to Wendy) and Roadside Attraction (which puts Dipper as the bad guy for what is good development for him, just because Mabel can’t ship him and Candy).
sometimes a episode concept can be so bad and flawed that not any execution can save the final product
I don’t think Dipper being a bully at one point dismantles his character, as he does have a people pleaser problem and could most likely have been involved in a toxic friend group that pushed him to mock others to look cool (we literally see his silence towards abuse in the show with how he wants to look in front of Wendy’s friends).
I’m not saying the concept is bad or good, I’m just saying it’s not too out there of a concept, and quite a lot of people can relate to the “bullied but then bully who is haunted by their awful actions to look cool” I imagine.
Agreed. Particularly considering the whole thing about Wendy's group being held together by a friend everyone mocks, to the point Dipper laughed along too. He's not beyond maybe mocking someone if he thinks it'd make him more well-liked (particularly if he ALREADY gets bullied) but that concept would depend heavily on how willingly he did it, how often he did it, and how long ago that happened, but honestly, I prefer what we got a bunch more.
Dipper being a bully just makes me feel like i sallowed lava
I would like to point out one aspect of Dipper is that he's very insecure and gives in to peer pressure, I could easily see the backstory to the bullying being that when other kids made fun of this kid Dipper joined in in order to fit in and get the bullies attention off of him, and the ghost specifically targets Dipper because he was "betraying a fellow loser" or something like that, imo Dipper bullying another kid in elementary school because he was scared of being bullied himself would actually be very in character
A fly episode? i'll be the judge o-
"Dippers fly is always down. Turns out this is caused by the ghost of a kid he always used to mock in elementary school. He's getting what he deserved for tormenting the guy. In order for him to let the curse go Dipper has to get the ghost what the ghost wants"
...Oh.. Oh dear..
I think calling it "disturbing" is an overexaggeration. It feels more like Dipper picked on someone weaker than him as a way to cope with being picked on himself. It's honestly pretty realistic: he was little, with volatile emotions, and didn't think he was causing as much harm as he was. Alternatively, that kid could of just been a creep in general, who wouldn't stop hitting on Mabel. Or maybe their mocking was mutual.
Either way, I'm sure there are plenty of people who could relate to that.
I think what makes it disturbing isn’t the fact Dipper was a bully, I think what makes this extremely disturbing is how the Kid he was bullying is now a ghost, implying… you know what, and the fact Dipper was the first person he went to get his licks back implies Dipper played a bigger part in his… going ghost.
@@FizzyPopVevo yea like dipper being a bully- a bit weird but there's potential for some character stuff there. But the ghost of the kid just adds....an unpleasant feel to it even if the kid just died in an accident or something
@@FizzyPopVevo Not really. It could easily be that the kid ran away crying because he felt humiliated and suddenly got hit by a car (so he haunts Dipper in his misplaced anger). There's no reason to assume there weren't other factors involved. 🤷🏿♂️
I think it could’ve been interesting to explore a bully victim being given the chance to have that power over another kid and how its a toxic cycle, like dipper pointed out the kids fly was down once and if embarrassed him, and he never thought about it again, it would be crappy, but would it RUIN Dipper?
I feel like I could imagine a way to make two of those flaws work. Make it clear that Dipper wasn't consistently bullying this kid, maybe like, once in second grade or something, Dipper was being mocked over something and felt embarrassed, then he looked around the room and saw one kid with his fly down, and sort of panicking, just went "Hey look! Timmy's got his fly down!" Just to get the attention off of him, then he never thought about the incident again, but it stuck with "Timmy". That way, Dipper isn't exactly a "bully" just someone who did something mean once without thinking about the consequences.
As for the Mabel problem, I think that's kind of simple, just have her be into the idea of dating a ghost. Maybe introduce some kind of parody of the movie "Ghost" staring Patrick Swayze to introduce the idea that Mabel thinks dating a ghost sounds romantic, so when they ghost tells Dipper he wants a date with Mabel, it seems like all the pieces coming together instead of Dipper being selfish. It would of course go all wrong, but I think it'd at least be less gross.
However, that still leaves us with a plot featuring a dead child, so even if those solutions work, this was still a plot best left on the cutting room floor.
I think that would work as a better re-write!
Maybe the child's ghost is from the future after he died as an old man
@@fonejunky6306 that could work, but it'd be kind of a lot to have a time traveling ghost, and it'd make him wanting to date Mabel, Wayyy creepier, unless maybe Dipper travels forward in time to arrange a date with an adult Mabel, but that'd definitely be way too much too
Not bad. There's still one problem, though: why would this kid come and haunt Dipper if he's only been mean to him once? He could be taking revenge on someone who really bullied him instead ...
@@pseudonymequelconque4260 some people hold grudges for really petty reasons. Personally, I think it'd make the ghost work better as an antagonist if there's an element of pettiness to him still being mad at Dipper over the one time he embarrassed him
I think 'The Book of Bill' had a possible nod to the dilemma in 'The Fly.'
At one point in it, Bill is writing embarrassing details about Dipper, and mentions that "His fly was down for all three days of Weirdmageddon, and everyone but him noticed it! He's nicknamed 'Zipper Pines' in Mabel, Tambry and Mayor Tyler's groupchat!"
Yeah. It's a common joke in the show but a full episode like this seems to be a bit too much, lol.
@@ThatGFFAN Honestly, even the joke in The Book of Bill feels a bit much: the fly joke in the promo is okay, it's a punctual funny teasing from siblings, but in the book of Bill is too cruel, I mean, the full town mocking a boy over his fly being down in the middle of the end of the world? The entire town mocking and bullying one of the two kids that helped save the town, not just Mabel (which is bad enough, considering he had just rescued her), but one of their supposed friends and the mayor? I dunno, feels a bit too cruel to me, so I like to think that maybe Bill made that one up just to embarrass and humilliate Dipper, and paint him in a bad light for the readers.
@@dracoangelrojo Made up or not it is in character for bill due to him being a cruel jerk
@@jmhguy Oh absolutely, it's totally in character of Bill to do that, regardless if he is lying or not, he hates Dipper's guts.
@@dracoangelrojo But it's not the entire town, it's only a select few people. And even then, we know none of them said anything to his face. I don't see anything cruel about that. At best, it's harmless gossip, or an inside joke.
I thought of a way to kind of salvage the episode, like what if the kid was being like Gideon and wouldn’t lay off Mabel. Dipper picks on him because he was being a turd, and there’s always the possibility that he died by some other means.
0:24 mostly unrelated but why the heck did i not realize that's how Scary-oke is supposed to be pronounced. i've been reading it like "scary-oak" 😭
personally, i think the mocking would probably just be an exaggeration. perhaps dipper, being the honest person he is, was brutally honest to this kid, perhaps how he is to pacifica, but unlike her, with no malice, perhaps just correcting things here and there. or, maybe this kid was really into mabel like gideon is, to a weird obsession/stalking/whatever extent, and dipper didnt like how he was treating mabel or how he made her feel, so was a little (and perhaps rightfully) hostile towards him. those are my ideas, as dipper wouldnt be a bully for bully sakes canonically, although the whole idea is outlandish to begin with
The implication that Dipper drove the kid to suicide is so weird and dark lol
6:30 lol, was not expecting that. You’ve got a point, though.
lol, thanks. Sometimes the Mabel debate really gets on my nerves so it's always fun to rant a bit about it even if not everyone may agree, lol.
@@ThatGFFAN I can understand that. The Mabel hate is totally unfounded. Purely based off a lust to hate the character, ignoring her entire story.
@@TentacledProductions Gravity Falls fans when they see a 12 year old girl: 😠
It seems pretty obvious that Alex came up with the pun first - the famous horror film The Fly being turned into a pant’s zipper - and then extrapolated a passably spooky justification and lesson out of it. The whole thing is a single paragraph and reads like uncertain brainstorming, a “get it on the page” kinda deal. If anything had come out of this, it’d probably have been retooled to be about Gideon cursing Dipper, or Robbie getting cursed and Dipper learning to overcome his distaste for the guy to help someone in need, or maybe it would have been a magical/sci-fi intelligent fly, to double back onto the joke again.
0:34 Not to mention an episode where my favorite band, They Might Be Giants would voice actual giants!
Oh no what is this gonna be(;-;
update:I am so happy that they didt make this!Dipper would be hated if they did make this episode.
dipper being a bully kind of. makes sense? like, i don't know about anyone else, but i was bullied for pretty much my whole life. i know how much it fucks you up. but there was a guy who wouldn't leave my friend group alone, even if we flat-out said "you're making us uncomfortable, please go away." so. well. we all turned on him. in hindsight, he probably thought it was friendly teasing, because he kept coming back, but at the time i just wanted an escape from classes shared with people who'd shoot spitballs and harass me, with my equally weird friends
what i'm getting at is, if there was a kid who kept following mabel around and making her uncomfortable, dipper absolutely strikes me as the kind of person who'd go, like, "okay. psychological warfare. this guy always has his fly down. this is a trait that can be used to mock and other him. if i continue doing this, he will leave mabel alone." like, the logic sucks, but it does fit with his character
Dipper is such a good brother. But, not only brothers can be protective, like, my older sister is very protective and even some her less favorable actions are usually with protective intentions. Heck, she even cooks for us sometimes. I love and appreciate her so much.
I feel like y’all inferred something that was never part of it. Also it was elementary school when it happened, which means both relevance to dipper’s current character and suicide are both unlikely. The worst part of this idea is the date with Mabel part, and the second worst is that it added literally nothing. I feel like mocking a kid in elementary school can’t be more problematic than what he did in roadside attraction, though it would be more out of character.
I love how they referenced this in the Book of Bill
Also this kinda reminds me of that ep of Danny phantom w/ the ghost of that teenage boy from the 50s. Bullying victim dies and uses his ghost powers to become a bully himself
Sydney Pointdexter
6:30-7:07 Exactly! Virtue, in and of itself, is its own reward. Families-and by extension, siblings-don’t need to owe anything to their loved ones just for being caring. Even taking that out of the equation, I get the feeling that when Bill was asking Dipper "When has she ever returned the favor?", he wasn’t just manipulating Dipper, but the audience as well. It made it easy to forget when she used the leaf blower on the gnomes, destroyed Gideon’s amulet, solved Quentin Trembly’s clues, USED HER GRAPPLING HOOK TO SAVE DIPPER FROM DYING IN THE GIDEON BOT’S EXPLOSION, and thought of the idea of using karaoke to destroy the zombie horde. If that’s not returning the favor of Dipper’s heroics, I don’t know what is.
I agree with every word in that rant
I legit started clapping..
People just really hate a 12 year old 😭
I’m actually so glad this did not get made into an ep it would have ruined Dipper as a character and the kid being a ghost thing might have been too dark. And that’s coming from an Omori fan
Nice profile pic! I love A Hat in Time!
@@averysmith9943 An Omori in time
(I know nothing about either game)
Maybe the story could have Bill in it going into Dipper's dream and turning it into a nightmare. This would be the nightmare after the "into the Bunker!" episode (due to the Shapeshifter and also Soos saying "Good luck sleeping tonight dude")
The villain of the ep sounds too sympathetic. Ignoring the possibility of him offing himself, dipper apparently bullied him badly enough to make him seek revenge and even if they tried to go the route of “all dipper did was cut in front of him for the water fountain 1 time” or “dipper was only mean to him bc he was a creep to mabel”, I don’t think it’d work. He’s a dead child, the audience will automatically feel bad for him even if they tried to soften the fact he was bullied by dipper. And it’s almost cute how all he’s doing for his revenge is pulling dipper’s fly down when I’m sure a ghost could do much worse if they wanted. If the ep ended w/ dipper no longer caring abt his fly and the ghost being “defeated”, I don’t think that’d be very satisfying. I mean think abt the lumberjack ghost, that dude turned a mansion full of innocent ppl to wood and he got a happy ending. Sounds like a pretty messy story, idk how to fix it w/o changing the premise outright
I dunno. Gideon’s a nine year old and no one in the fandom had a problem with chucking him in ADULT PRISON.
@@cartoonishidealism582 tbf gideon was fine in prison and he did eventually get his happy ending--if the prison in the show worked like a real world adult prison uh yeah I think ppl would consider that a bit harsh lol but instead it's goofy cartoon prison where gideon just had to do arts & crafts w/ a bunch of tough dudes. also I might be way off but I think even in real life a child could go to prison for what he did
I think they could have fixed this episode by just making the ghost be Dipper's bully, back to bully dipper into getting what he wants instead of dipper being a bully.
Subject aside, I wanted to say that the Pines twins turn 25 in universe in just 3 days! Our little babies have been grown for a while 😢😢
I’m really glad and relieved this episode was never made. I could never ever imagine seeing Dipper as a bully.
I’m glad they didn’t do this because dipper would never
I can't imagine writing an entire Soulmates episode (that's the title of my independent cartoon I am writing), where the whole plot is just humiliating Ethan (one of the main characters of the series) for a whole 11 minutes by having his uhh... pants pulled down as consequence for bullying some kid at his school who is like also dead, and would only stop haunting him if he lets them go on a date with one of his friends (he doesn´t have any biological siblings, though he has a sibling in Boo, his ¨soulmate¨ , pun intended, or spirit companion) to which would have very dark implications and would be very uncomfortable for me to write on a Google Doc, more so than the amount of chaotic ideas I can think of in my imaginative lil brain, Ethan is sarcastic and can be often a little bit harsh to others, mostly cause he is insecure and stuff, but he has a good heart and wouldn't actually like tell a kid to end his life or something that far, an idea like that would make him out of character, also the idea is just too mean-spirited for my series that is mostly lighthearted and wholesome for a supernatural cartoon about a 12 year old boy going through life while making friends with dead people. Anyway, yeah, glad Alex scrapped that Gravity Falls episode idea.
Honestly this episode kind of feels like that one Johnny Test episode where they actually put Susan on a date with Bling Bling whatshisname
Wow, first I see Stans semi-canon sack now I'm learning about this mess
I feel like maybe this episode idea could have been reworked into something useable if they changed it into a ghost of a local bully who had died in an accident and who was now picking on all the kids in town, similar to Nerdy Prudes Must Die except the ghost's bullying is less lethal.
I get the title is a reference to Jeff Goldblum but given what it really "means", it almost feels like it coud have belong to the 90's early 00's when episodes on crude stuff like burp and farts were the norm!
How is the title a Jeff Goldblum reference?
@@fonejunky6306 the fly movie
Ok, so I know it was a draft but I think several things could have helped/fixed the Episode.
1. The ghost is no longer Dipper's victim but a random kid from the local school who never got a date during life (he was rejected for always being a jerk to everyone, as he was so forgettable that makes Dipper finding about him really difficult)
2. Mabel just rejected going to some local dance because Dipper is not getting invited. The dance is commemorative from a 50 year old prom. To make it they had to excavate a zone and in doing so they dig up the skull of a kid releasing its ghost
3. Dipper has very low self-esteem because of his fly and the ghost asks Dipper to get him a date, he may specifically ask for Mabel cause some kind of crush but dipper refuses so instead he'll try and show him how to get a girl from example but he also keeps getting rejected
4. Mabel finds out and wants to help dipper dating the ghost while dipper doesn't want Mabel to do it to not harras her/depend on her but since her broke up with lil Gideon she has become more confident and if she wants to dump him she would
5. By talking to the grown up kids from the old school prom they realize that some people are not worthy of being remembered, sometimes a bully should be ignored and you shoud move on from things like that
6. At the end they decide it's not worthy to give that ghost bully the attention and decide to ignore him until he moves on and they together go to the prom dipper don't minding his zipper down
Honestly, yeah. This could work. Or even just leaving out the context of it being a kid Dipper bullied entirely and it would be a fine episode even as written.
@@draccqueen1770 yeah I omitted that so the kid would be just a local ghost instead of Dipper's victim
The scrapped Gravity falls episodes called “the party monster” sounds similar to “return to wartwood” from amphibia. But AT LEAST the plantars found a monster that wouldn’t really hurt anyone that is until the townspeople started attacking but hey they didn’t plan that!
Nah don’t diss the fly the fly is the best episode ever (joking)
This is the most ive ever thought of the phrase "your fly is down" probably ever
personally I almost kinda wonder if its another creepy boy character trying to woo Mabel when she isn't interested type situation (seeing as it already happened with the gnomes and Gideon). While I don't think it would really justify the bullying I could still see Dipper acting aggressive in hopes to make the kid back off from bothering Mabel because it strikes me as particularly weird that instead of asking for Dipper to apologize as a way to put this all behind him and probably pass from limbo he specifically asks for a date with his sister, that doesn't particularly sound like a tortured soul situation, but eh that's my best guess.
5:05 if you don't get it he pretty much says is that Dipper mocked him and how he died was because he was sad of him mocking him and killed himself that's how he died
Btw he did say “There not enough context” I only said that just in case people don't know what he was talking about
5:38 I mean, if the clues from the journal are any indication, I'd say Archibald Corduroy (aka the Northwest Ghost) and all the other lumberjacks that worked on that home ARE the bodies buried under the Mystery Shack.
Honestly, I think the fact that dipper did use to mock a kid does make him more relatable. For one, a lot of people bully others because they have problems, so it’s not unlikely that dipper would bully someone because he was bullied to try and feel like he has some power. Plus it gives dipper some negative characterization showing that he’s not perfect, and it shows that he’s grown and matured since then as well. Characters having negative traits is a good thing, not a bad thing.
The thought of Dipper being a bully is so wrong and genuinely makes me feel sick. Glad they didn’t go with it
Now I think that the pitch nearly created Dipperhaters(TM) to rival the sheer number of Mabelhaters(TM). They certainly dodged the bullet.
I dont think Dipper use to bully a kid makes him less likable or relatable. Everyoens been a bully at some point. My issue is the implication that he bullied a kid into suicide
I think this episode has bones and could have been something if two major things were changed. Stan instead of Dipper, and a curse instead of a ghost. Give it the backstory of Stan deciding not to tell someone their fly was down just to see the victim embarrass himself through a night that was important to him. Have it intensify with various other humiliating things (that are G-rated) spread to Dipper and Mabel (untied shoes for example). Have it be about Stan being unwitting and too proud to give an apology. Then spring it on the audience the twist the whole time was that Stan only wears sweat pants.
Omg just like the Breaking Bad episode
Axolotl? Nice song choice. 😉
I was not expecting to hear GF fan swear 😭 On a serious note, as a dipper fan yeah this episode sounds like it would’ve SUCKED but what’s crazy to me is that it was thought out like this since they were probably decently far into the show at this point they would know how to characterize dipper. Like even if you said this ep isn’t redeemable regardless of what they took out, I think if they just had the ghost not be a kid dipper bully, not have any interest in Mabel and just be some trouble maker ghost in town, it could be a pretty decent episode- but instead they thought of something that’s basically what people call character assassination.
All ideas happen in an alternate universe.
At least that didn’t happen to pine tree in this universe.
The thing is, even at a young impressionable age, if in elementary Dipper got teased or bullied, it’s not completely out of the question that he might try the same thing with another kid. Hence why the cycle of bullying continues
Expose someone to anger long enough, and they will learn to hate
glad this didn't become a real episode. dipper is not a bad guy.
"Finally, an excuse to punch a teenager!"
I just saw this thumbnail when I was scrolling and thought I would never remember it, little did I know a day or two later I would remember it enough to search it. That's a damn good thumbnail 👍
Thank you
When I saw "The Fly" in the thumbnail I thought this was gonna be a Breaking Bad reference
Lmao. That episode 😂😭
Same, worst episode of breaking bad and almost the worst episode of gravity falls lmao
I would say it's the weakest episode rather than the worst, tbh it wasn't very bad as people usually say
the fly was one of my favorite episodes of breaking bad, just curious as to why you dislike it?
Ooh jeez, with Dipper being my favorite character, this episode would have decimated practically everything about him. Dipper is all about standing for good and protecting his loved ones, and this episode is anything but so.
Reminds a tiny bit of early versions of Toy Story, thry had to make Woody nicer during Production, as he was downright evil at first.
Also call me crazy, but this episode sorta sounds like a super early version of The Hand that rocks the Mabel, as it Deals with Mabel dating someone she never wanted to date.
0:35 the second suggestion there I think turned into “the hand the rocks the Mabel”
Instead of an episode like this, maybe they should address Dipper wearing the same clothes every day and Mabel trying to convince him to wash his clothes and take a shower bc hes a musty preteen.
I’m so glad this episode didn’t make it in. It would’ve been completely ridiculous and utterly ruined Dipper’s character.
Technically, we don't know for sure that Dipper's fly was down in the promo clip. Mabel could've just been saying it to mess with him.
That whole plot about Dipper summoning monsters to ruin a party... yeah... where have we seen that before?
The scary-oke episode? I think thats the most similar ep to this idea
The idea that someone teasing others makes them unrelatable is silly. Everyone has been that person teasing or bullying at some point. So more likely you wouldn't WANT to relate to that, but we all could....
The episode idea is terrible though.
No, some of us were actually nice kids
I think Dipper had a good reason to mock that kid because Dipper is only mean to people that deserve it, for example Robbie and Pacifica. the ghost boy unzipping Dipper's pant zipper is sort of sexual assault and forcing Dipper to let him go on a date with his sister is creepy as well, it's like Mabel is a object to him. It gives me nice guy vibes. The ghost boy was probably creepy/mean to his sister and Dipper didn't like it and you know how Mabel is, she would be too nice to do anything so she'll go to Dipper for help.
3:25 the wisest things I’ve heard in years
For being a Disney show, this is laughably dark as hell lmao
You know what this reminds me of? Dream episodes. You know like when you're dreaming your dream is just an episode of a show you're watching but like the dream is just the episode, you aren't there you're just watching it play out in your mind? Yeah it's like that. This pitch sounds like one of those dream episodes that you know would never actually be an episode of the show and you question why you dreamed of it.
Dang, that plot is dark even for Gravity Falls standards...
Huh. The roadtrip episode was gonna have competition.
Hey, idea: Rank all the Gravity Falls credits scenes.
Hmmm👀
On a lighter note, much as I love Into the Bunker, the idea that they wanted to go full winter-horror parody of The Thing would've been GLORIOUS.
You really know how to stand your ground. It's really impressive.👍🏻
9:02 Kinda unrelated, but I wonder if this means that Bill manipulating our main characters would have been a consistent thing throughout the series, instead of just a few times. Would have been really intersting to see regardless.
Dipper if driving a kid to you know what and the kid becoming a ghost because of that was a crime: *insert 263 years in prison here*
yeah i’m glad they didn’t go with this ,, dipper would never auction his sister off ?? yes characters need to have flaws but dipper has plenty that make him realistic
It's so weirdly specific of an idea that I'm worried this was also supposed to be one of those Dipper episodes that are based off of Alex's life, like the scrapped Double Dipper one. Just the bullying part goes so against the entire show's values that it's kind of a shock to think about.
It’s really funny how close we were to having a second television series who’s by far most disliked episode would have been called the Fly
I actually like the Breaking Bad episode which is why I said most disliked and not worst
Yes, now that’s idk wierd
to play devil's advocate what if dipper was good intentioned but the kid took his innocent behavior as teasing? maybe the kid always had his fly down and Dipper would always tell him that his fly was down just trying to be helpful but the kid thought dipper was the one pulling down his fly and that he was doing this to tease him.
wouldnt fix it but it would mitigate your biggest issue.
That GF FAN, cool video my guy
So glad it never happened and Alex made the decision to scrap it,it probably wouldn't have aged well if it aired
The idea that Dipper would bully someone to the point of suicide is.... uhhhhh- well, let's just say, I'm glad they cut this out.
I can try to suggest a few changes, It may not work but I’ll give it a shot, make the kid the bully not Dipper, have dipper not immediately use Mabel as a solution, instead he tries various other ways and when all of them fail, he doesn’t force Mabel, he just ignores the bully, who soon after stops bullying Dipper, which helps carry the message “sometimes the best thing to do is to ignore”, like i said earlier it may not work but I wanted to try and make the scrapped not so bad, what do you think?
The "Christmas" Special sounds like a great idea.
nah i wanna see stan builds a computer
wait... DID DIPPER KILL A KID??????
I mean if the episode had gotten made they probably would've made sure that everyone knew the kid died because of something unreleated to Dipper