Max Lord was bound by the Lasso of Truth, he couldn't lie, so his saying killing him was the only way to stop him means it was the only way to stop him. It wasn't the plan people would have preferred, but it was the plan they needed because it was the only viable option.
To be fair, the Lasso of Truth forces the person to admit what they believe is the truth (even if it is not necessarily the case), it could be that Max Lord was so arrogant that he couldn't believe that his mind control over Superman could be broken.
@@ldcg106 - That's a really big loophole. A sincere flat-earther would be able to defeat the lasso. Recent history has proven that there are millions of people who believe things that just aren't true.
@@CovenantD How would it work otherwise? If people would have to tell the objective truth then the Lasso would be the most OP item. She could just use the Lasso on anybody and ask any question (How can we beat cancer? How can we defeat this villain? How can we end all wars and starvation?). Now imagine if this item would get into the hands of a villain. They would immediately ask somebody "How can I control the whole world and avoid superheroes thwarting my plan?"
@@GothamClive - They would only be able to answer questions to which they knew the answer. So, unless they were a cancer researcher who had a definitive cure the only truthful answer would be "I don't know."
@@CovenantD well yeah but by that logic, you just proved his point. If I am of the true belief that the world is flat, and I don’t know any better, I’d say the earth was flat. If I am of the true belief that say, Superman could not be freed from the mind control, and I don’t know just how good Martian man is at disabling mind control, I wouldn’t be lying. So again, Wonder Woman was way too rash in that decision, she chose to believe his version of the truth without verifying an objective truth
#11 - After catching Dr. Light about to force himself on two women, The Spectre turns him into a melting flesh candle and uses two fingers to snuff out the light.
Doc Savage, the Man of Bronze regularly sent criminals to a "school" in Upstate New York where they were surgically altered to rid themselves of any criminal and antisocial tendencies. Doc is like Batman in that he has no super powers but is will trained in martial arts, detective work, and has many planes, boats, gadgets, etc. thanks to his family's millions. He has a Fortress of Solitude in the North Pole. He has a team that augments him. Has a no killing rule like Batman and many other super heros but what he does with criminals can be called into question.
What about Spider-Man's attempt to save Gwen Stacey when she was thrown off the bridge by the Green Goblin? It was Spider-Man's web who caused her neck to snap, killing her.
The outrage over the WW kill was always so dumb to me. It was either kill Lord or let him continue controlling one of the most powerful people on the planet. No point waiting for help if you can take care of it right there. Also, WW kills all the time, but just because this was a human and not a god, demon, whatever, they made a huge deal about it. From an in-universe stance, I'd have had Superman and WW explain what happened and the consequences of her not killing Max. Boom, the public gets it and likes her again.
Not sure how Tower Of Babel fits here. Batman did the right thing, for the right reason. Some of the heroes needed to be 'tricked' into their contingency so if they knew, it would no longer work. For the others (like Superman) knowing about it would mean that should they 'turn' they might go looking to destroy the ability to stop them.
When it comes to Wonder Woman killing Max Lord wasn't time of the essence? Wasn't a mind-controlled Superman trying to kill Batman at that moment? (I haven't read this yet so someone tell me if I'm wrong). As for altering Dr. Light's mind, yeah they shouldn't have done that. As for erasing super-villains knowledge of secret identities, they 100% should've done that. It always gets me that Superman voted against it when standing outside a trashed Daily Planet because the Secret Society was a hairsbreadth away from killing his wife.
Interesting, I remember hearing that Australia had criminals sent their because it was such a dangerous place, but somehow they thrived their. Wonder if that dc comic was inspired by it. (#10 on the list)
its not because it was a dangerous place. its because they had too many convicts that they couldn’t keep them in england so they mapped out australia to bring them there.
Can't believe the fact Batman/Superman keeping the information that The Batman Who Laughs infected league members from the league wasn't on this list as if they would of done what Superman wanted and not Batman they could of found who was infected and the Secret Six wouldn't of gotten back up in the way of Supergirl
My third opinion, Iron Man forcing other marvel heroes in joining the Superhero Registration Act. Everything about Iron Man's actions in Civil War 1 and 2.
Marvel's Civil War (MCW) still pisses me off well over a decade later. Several reasons, but the main one was that they treated unregistered heroes WAY WORSE than they previously treated supervillains. Before MCW: even a super villain that murdered was merely bound up or knocked unconscious and sent to The Raft or similar facility. During MCW: a minor super hero that's unregistered and merely EXISTS, may be violently beaten and/or dismembered by The Thunderbolts (recent violent supervillains that registered) before being sent to a super gulag in the Negative Zone. Yeah, totally equitable /s And the general populace of the USA SUPPORTED this shit! And Tony Stark put Harry Osborn in a position of high power as well. That megalomaniac was in charge of The Thunderbolts; created H.A.M.M.E.R. and The Dark Avengers, invaded New Asgard, etc. Tony Stark and Henry Pym paid somewhat of a price for the shady shit they did, but Reed Richards (as almost always) came out relatively unscathed for his role in it all (e.g. creating the Negative Zone gulag, creating Ragnarok, etc.) The only thing I cared for was The Fifty State Initiative but they kinda let that fizzle out and die a slow death.
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Well, some of these are bs. Really, if comics can be free to do things we can't, it should be to terminate threats that will never change. We can't do that, because we can never be sure, but being in a fictionous world, they could. But mostly choose not to, so the suffering goes on. Really dumb.
Honestly wonder women power failed when she killed maxwell lord cause of the lasso of truth she believe that was the only way and so drunk on her own power.
Wonder Woman's lasso of truth compels whoever is tied in it to tell the truth. She didn't kill Max Lord, because she was drunk on her own power. She killed him, because she believed it was the only way to free Superman from Lord's mind control because of what he said when bound by the lasso.
She doesn't power the lasso. The gods do that. So she wasn't drunk on her own power, she was trusting the power of the gods (who she knows to be real) to bring forth the truth and acted accordingly.
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Kingdom Come, ID Crisis, Flashpoint...easily 3 of the top 10 of DC comics in the past 25 years, this was an AWESOME list Jules
Never mess with time. Ever. As soon as you do, you can’t put that djinn back in the bottle. Absolutely chaos and unpredictability ensues…
Max Lord was bound by the Lasso of Truth, he couldn't lie, so his saying killing him was the only way to stop him means it was the only way to stop him. It wasn't the plan people would have preferred, but it was the plan they needed because it was the only viable option.
To be fair, the Lasso of Truth forces the person to admit what they believe is the truth (even if it is not necessarily the case), it could be that Max Lord was so arrogant that he couldn't believe that his mind control over Superman could be broken.
@@ldcg106 - That's a really big loophole. A sincere flat-earther would be able to defeat the lasso. Recent history has proven that there are millions of people who believe things that just aren't true.
@@CovenantD How would it work otherwise? If people would have to tell the objective truth then the Lasso would be the most OP item. She could just use the Lasso on anybody and ask any question (How can we beat cancer? How can we defeat this villain? How can we end all wars and starvation?). Now imagine if this item would get into the hands of a villain. They would immediately ask somebody "How can I control the whole world and avoid superheroes thwarting my plan?"
@@GothamClive - They would only be able to answer questions to which they knew the answer. So, unless they were a cancer researcher who had a definitive cure the only truthful answer would be "I don't know."
@@CovenantD well yeah but by that logic, you just proved his point. If I am of the true belief that the world is flat, and I don’t know any better, I’d say the earth was flat. If I am of the true belief that say, Superman could not be freed from the mind control, and I don’t know just how good Martian man is at disabling mind control, I wouldn’t be lying. So again, Wonder Woman was way too rash in that decision, she chose to believe his version of the truth without verifying an objective truth
#11 - After catching Dr. Light about to force himself on two women, The Spectre turns him into a melting flesh candle and uses two fingers to snuff out the light.
So that issue turned into a "snuff film"?
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I'll see myself out.
Doc Savage, the Man of Bronze regularly sent criminals to a "school" in Upstate New York where they were surgically altered to rid themselves of any criminal and antisocial tendencies. Doc is like Batman in that he has no super powers but is will trained in martial arts, detective work, and has many planes, boats, gadgets, etc. thanks to his family's millions. He has a Fortress of Solitude in the North Pole. He has a team that augments him. Has a no killing rule like Batman and many other super heros but what he does with criminals can be called into question.
What about Spider-Man's attempt to save Gwen Stacey when she was thrown off the bridge by the Green Goblin? It was Spider-Man's web who caused her neck to snap, killing her.
The outrage over the WW kill was always so dumb to me. It was either kill Lord or let him continue controlling one of the most powerful people on the planet. No point waiting for help if you can take care of it right there. Also, WW kills all the time, but just because this was a human and not a god, demon, whatever, they made a huge deal about it. From an in-universe stance, I'd have had Superman and WW explain what happened and the consequences of her not killing Max. Boom, the public gets it and likes her again.
Not sure how Tower Of Babel fits here. Batman did the right thing, for the right reason.
Some of the heroes needed to be 'tricked' into their contingency so if they knew, it would no longer work.
For the others (like Superman) knowing about it would mean that should they 'turn' they might go looking to destroy the ability to stop them.
I disagree with your opinion on Diana killing Maxwell Lord.
Another good one is the punisher comic where he blew up an entire island of villains by plane. Questionable but very effective 😂
When it comes to Wonder Woman killing Max Lord wasn't time of the essence? Wasn't a mind-controlled Superman trying to kill Batman at that moment? (I haven't read this yet so someone tell me if I'm wrong). As for altering Dr. Light's mind, yeah they shouldn't have done that. As for erasing super-villains knowledge of secret identities, they 100% should've done that. It always gets me that Superman voted against it when standing outside a trashed Daily Planet because the Secret Society was a hairsbreadth away from killing his wife.
Out of interest what happened to Ewan. I liked his enthusiasm
I completely agree with Diana killing Max.
Brutal deaths in marvel comics
Interesting, I remember hearing that Australia had criminals sent their because it was such a dangerous place, but somehow they thrived their. Wonder if that dc comic was inspired by it. (#10 on the list)
its not because it was a dangerous place. its because they had too many convicts that they couldn’t keep them in england so they mapped out australia to bring them there.
@@talentroller4413 I see, makes sense.
Wonder Woman should have snapped Maxwell Lord's neck 2 times
Spider-Man: One More Day
Can't believe the fact Batman/Superman keeping the information that The Batman Who Laughs infected league members from the league wasn't on this list as if they would of done what Superman wanted and not Batman they could of found who was infected and the Secret Six wouldn't of gotten back up in the way of Supergirl
My third opinion, Iron Man forcing other marvel heroes in joining the Superhero Registration Act. Everything about Iron Man's actions in Civil War 1 and 2.
Marvel's Civil War (MCW) still pisses me off well over a decade later. Several reasons, but the main one was that they treated unregistered heroes WAY WORSE than they previously treated supervillains.
Before MCW: even a super villain that murdered was merely bound up or knocked unconscious and sent to The Raft or similar facility.
During MCW: a minor super hero that's unregistered and merely EXISTS, may be violently beaten and/or dismembered by The Thunderbolts (recent violent supervillains that registered) before being sent to a super gulag in the Negative Zone.
Yeah, totally equitable /s
And the general populace of the USA SUPPORTED this shit! And Tony Stark put Harry Osborn in a position of high power as well. That megalomaniac was in charge of The Thunderbolts; created H.A.M.M.E.R. and The Dark Avengers, invaded New Asgard, etc.
Tony Stark and Henry Pym paid somewhat of a price for the shady shit they did, but Reed Richards (as almost always) came out relatively unscathed for his role in it all (e.g. creating the Negative Zone gulag, creating Ragnarok, etc.)
The only thing I cared for was The Fifty State Initiative but they kinda let that fizzle out and die a slow death.
I hope all the DC characters are getting ready to put on their pretty swimsuits to go on vacation by the sea
*my response to number 10* I'm the government, I'm the government, I'm the reason nothing works
Number Five being cruel and killing off Vanya in The Umbrella Academy. A act not considered noble.
Batman's actions in the dark knight returns.
flash is good one of superheros
batman and catwoman
Green lantern and star sapphire
Aquaman and Mera
Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor
Superman and Lois
Nightwing and Batgirl
Green Arrow and Black Canary
Joker and Harley Quinn
Constantine and Zatanna
Beast Boy and Raven
Flash and Iris West
Hope DC Couples Get Ready To Put On Their Gorgeous Swimsuits And See Them Go On A Honeymoon Vacation
I am currently watching this video when it was released 28
2:14 Tim drake
i'm surprised the time superman killed lois because he thought that she was darkside didn't get on this list
Well, some of these are bs. Really, if comics can be free to do things we can't, it should be to terminate threats that will never change. We can't do that, because we can never be sure, but being in a fictionous world, they could. But mostly choose not to, so the suffering goes on. Really dumb.
Wait,wonderwoman snapping Maxwell lord's neck and being broadcasted feels like marvel ripped off tht part en used it in spidey far from home
Heroes all ways wrong?
open da nor
Bing bong boo = poo
Batman is always right. 😏
Honestly wonder women power failed when she killed maxwell lord cause of the lasso of truth she believe that was the only way and so drunk on her own power.
Wonder Woman's lasso of truth compels whoever is tied in it to tell the truth. She didn't kill Max Lord, because she was drunk on her own power. She killed him, because she believed it was the only way to free Superman from Lord's mind control because of what he said when bound by the lasso.
She doesn't power the lasso. The gods do that. So she wasn't drunk on her own power, she was trusting the power of the gods (who she knows to be real) to bring forth the truth and acted accordingly.