Making the x-men part of this 60’s retro-futuristic reality is amazing because that way you can maintain Magneto’s backstory for example, without having to adapt it to modern times
2:59 Slight difference of opinion here. Loki Season 2 ending said that Kang was "taken care of" in a "616-adjacent" realm, referring to Quantumania and the Quantum Realm. It could be that every universe has their own version of all these different surreal realms adjacent to them.,
I’m pretty sure they established the quantum real was the only one and all of the separate universes crash into it if the can get small enough. Kinda like how there’s only one TVA and one void. I think that was established in quantumania
00:53 I pause here to say that i hope Secret Wars isn't just two main realities battling it out, but rather have bits of all the realities, like the battle planet as Zeck drew it. Why have two, when we can run through all of them??
My guess is that the retro-futuristic FF Earth gets eaten by Galactus, throwing Reed, Sue, Johnny & Ben (and maybe their Doom?) into the 616…then later, the X-Men universe where Photon met Beast will get smooshed into the main Marvel continuity immediately after the events of Secret Wars
yea call me crazy but id rather not throw away everything established over the last 10+ years just so we can have a retro 60s world. Here's an idea, you know we can easily bring those guys over to 616 right.
616 is busted for most people who read comics, I’ve never read comics, but if it makes them happy, I’m happy to watch more movies. Idc if it’s comic accurate or not either way 😂
Keep it simple, is my opinion. The multiverse will eventually start confusing folks. And it’s marvels job, to do this, without having to relay on people knowing each and every film, back and fourth.
1 reason it can't be the F4 universe. The potential ending. If Marvel's 1st family is forced to abandon ship to get away from Galactus eating their world, it stands to reason that it wouldn't have a future in which anyone exists.
The montage at the beginning of Deadpool and Wolverine are alternate timelines of the Fox tree not alternate universes . It’s important we all understand the difference. America Chavez can hop trees. Other characters can hop branches .
@@CoLdBl0oD93 I’m guessing the Fantastic Four film will give us all a recap. Both He Who Remains and Kang told us and demonstrated this early on in the saga . It’s incredible how so many are still either lost or can’t grasp the concept .
Deadpool visited earth-616 though when he tries to join the avengers. So that’s not true. The device he got from cable clearly established he could travel to other universes as well as timelines.
@@Underthehood1 thanks for correcting me . I meant when he was searching for Wolverine variants not the time traveling he was doing at the end of Deadpool 2
The more that the MCU invests into this Multiverse storyline, the more that I want DC to reboot *their* cinematic universe with Captain Carrot and the Amazing Zoo Crew (TM).
My pick is that the 616 is half of the complete “true marvel universe” and the other battling universe or universes make up the other half. After secret wars, they merge and become the true full 616
Beast says that Monica being from a different universe is impossible, it isnt a lie because the bangles of Kamala Kahn are the elegant piece of art capable of teleporting someone through time and space as Beast let Roberto know in '97.
I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a mashed together sort of superset of everything we've seen so far, with everyone in it having memories of where they came from.
I thought reports were that Galactus was going to destroy Earth of the Fantastic Four's universe, and they would have to escape to our 616. 8 suppose if they have a big enough escape vessel, they could bring some other heroes over too
4:13 In the last episode of Loki, *spolers* They said that the alternate Kang was a “616 adjacent” realm. So, my assumption is all the dimensions and realms you listed are mostly 616 adjacent. Meaning somewhat connected to 616 but not directly
Now I'm hoping you're right, that the FF and X-Men are grouped in one comic-esque universe. Would be fun to have at least one bit of dialog refer to one universe or the other as "ultimate" in some way
the logan who ended up in 10005 at the end of deadpool wasn't originally from that universe. they got pulled from another timeline after passing away in 10005.
Isn't the Fantastic Four movie universe supposed to die by the end of the movie...if it isn't then this works just fine but...from what is rumoured, this can't happen
Video idea: what if the cavelrine universe is the Zach Schneider universe, but marvel and not DC, having the same actors like Ben affleck as captain america, and ofc, Henry cavil as wolverine
I wonder when we'll start to explore the many afterlifes of the marvel universe. Since a few big name characters dwell in the afterlife. We saw hints in doctor strange 2 and then Valhalla in thor 4
my hope is that we start unraveling the revelation that a lot of the seemingly related stories we’ve seen took placd on alternate/parallel earths. the old Marvel way of explaining away inconsistencies in continuity and a great setup for Battleworld
I think it’d be fitting to have 3 main universes that the movies focus on in Doomsday and then BattleWorld in Secret Wars. The three would be 10005, 616 and a separate universe where the F4 and X-Men from the Marvels post-credits live. This then couldn’t be 838 because the F4 existed in the modern day and their Reed (who looks like John Krasinski) is dead. I’d be cool to also have 838 included in a smaller way, as well as have other cameos similar to Deadpool 3, and even seeing 838 Sue and others in the aftermath of Reed’s death. Lastly, I agree with everyone else that the other Marvel F4 properties gotta be included and with one of the Reeds being evil.
I really like your therory E. It makes a ton of sense, I'd love it if the 616 were over and we reset into a more comic accurate super hero universe, which may or may not be the same universe as the fantastic 4's, they have a different silver surfer apparently.
I’d love to see different Universes and their histories crash together for Secret Wars, but then separate again. Because it’s hard to imagine that somewhere in the background of Captain America: Winter Soldier, there were (for example) vampires.
I think that we keep some of our current characters, but also keep a lot of the newer ones from the F4 universe. Love that theory by the way. Then there will be some heartfelt moments losing characters weve grown to love but also gaining characters that we've wanted all along.
I think no one wins and somehow they beat whoever is doing secret wars and it's just like CW flash crisis on infinite Earth where at the end they have always been together the whole time.
Here's a dumb question: Are the non xmen marvel, non mcu, movies in the same universe as the xmen movies? Would anything break if we included Blade, Daredevil, Elektra, punisher, the 2 Fantastic 4 movies, Ghost Rider, etc, in that world? Ik it'd be a stretch but I was curious
I think to have a non-616 universe win out as the "true" universe would be a mistake. 616 is deeply embedded in Marvel lore as the main timeline, so invalidating that for the films wouldn't hit right. Also, it would really feel like a gut punch for the 16 years we've invested in the MCU as fans
If you’re expecting Deadpool and wolverine to explain the mcu multiverse I have news for you Deadpool movies always ignored its universe canon so they feel less heavy than x men or avengers movies
Also no way keep the old 616 history as is, but this battle world will just the be the 616 and the other universe it collides with coming together and resetting as one universe going forward with all X-Men and all other heros and villains now with the main MCU ones we already grew to love
Making the x-men part of this 60’s retro-futuristic reality is amazing because that way you can maintain Magneto’s backstory for example, without having to adapt it to modern times
Brilliant point!!! Can't believe I didn't think of that until now!
Exactly!
That's genius!!
Holy shit that’s awesome I love that makes comic accurate costumes less cheesey for casual audiences too
if they modernize magneto im done with the MCU
2:59 Slight difference of opinion here. Loki Season 2 ending said that Kang was "taken care of" in a "616-adjacent" realm, referring to Quantumania and the Quantum Realm. It could be that every universe has their own version of all these different surreal realms adjacent to them.,
Influencers can’t talk about Kang anymore 😂😂
@@virtualrealityfitness283 That makes no sense, and do not agree with that. Also, NR isn't paid directly by Marve/Disney so why couldn't they?
I’m pretty sure they established the quantum real was the only one and all of the separate universes crash into it if the can get small enough. Kinda like how there’s only one TVA and one void. I think that was established in quantumania
I agree I think the realms are wrapped around the timeline like a rope and each timeline has their own realms
Would explain how in What If…? Episode 5, Janet van Dyne got infected by a Quantum Virus, yet in the Sacred Timeline, no such Virus happened.
I wouldn’t be mad at the more comic accurate version starting with the FF4 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
00:53 I pause here to say that i hope Secret Wars isn't just two main realities battling it out, but rather have bits of all the realities, like the battle planet as Zeck drew it. Why have two, when we can run through all of them??
Okay, I've finished and I see what you're saying and I approve. Interesting...
Weave it together, trim the stuff that doesn’t work, make everything better
This is the most pragmatic, most realistic, way of handling this fustercluck.....
Timelines are like lines on a paper, dimensions are the spaces between.
Scarlet Witch vs The Phoenix would be a good battle. Imagine the hype and the fandom war on twitter hahaha.
Chaos Magic wins, sorry, not sorry, chaos magic would win lol
@@hunterofendermen367the phoenix in the white hot room is a celestial….keep your magic for dr’s, and iron people with stones.
@@hunterofendermen367debatable
My guess is that the retro-futuristic FF Earth gets eaten by Galactus, throwing Reed, Sue, Johnny & Ben (and maybe their Doom?) into the 616…then later, the X-Men universe where Photon met Beast will get smooshed into the main Marvel continuity immediately after the events of Secret Wars
Beast and Monica are in the 10005 universe DeadpoolWolveriine
“To me, my X-men”
yea call me crazy but id rather not throw away everything established over the last 10+ years just so we can have a retro 60s world. Here's an idea, you know we can easily bring those guys over to 616 right.
Its likely going to be the same situation as the original Ultimates universe
The reality of that "How will the MCU bring other characters over" is hitting people HARD!
I know Fr
It’s a reboot the same way comics reboot with a universe ending event and starting a newer better version afterwards
616 is busted for most people who read comics, I’ve never read comics, but if it makes them happy, I’m happy to watch more movies. Idc if it’s comic accurate or not either way 😂
I think it will be a mix of different universes that settle on a yet to be named refuge universe that will end up being the rival universe.
Keep it simple, is my opinion. The multiverse will eventually start confusing folks. And it’s marvels job, to do this, without having to relay on people knowing each and every film, back and fourth.
Thats why they are ending the multiverse saga by crashing it together and creating Battle world, good riddance i say 😅
@@BetaRanger28what’s after this saga? idk if they announced it yet but i’m curious how they’re gonna start it
1 reason it can't be the F4 universe. The potential ending. If Marvel's 1st family is forced to abandon ship to get away from Galactus eating their world, it stands to reason that it wouldn't have a future in which anyone exists.
The montage at the beginning of Deadpool and Wolverine are alternate timelines of the Fox tree not alternate universes . It’s important we all understand the difference. America Chavez can hop trees. Other characters can hop branches .
Yup, somebody gets it. Marvel needs to do a better job explaining this to make it clear
@@CoLdBl0oD93 I’m guessing the Fantastic Four film will give us all a recap. Both He Who Remains and Kang told us and demonstrated this early on in the saga . It’s incredible how so many are still either lost or can’t grasp the concept .
Deadpool visited earth-616 though when he tries to join the avengers. So that’s not true. The device he got from cable clearly established he could travel to other universes as well as timelines.
@@Underthehood1 thanks for correcting me . I meant when he was searching for Wolverine variants not the time traveling he was doing at the end of Deadpool 2
@@Underthehood1 Thanks for correcting me . I was referring to Deadpool searching for Wolverine variants / I misspoke .
everyone should just join im too attached to 616
They will eventually
No
I like earth 199999 too.
But I'm starting to like the Xmen
Give me a true marvel universe. I love 616 but it’s time for change and fresh faces and characters
God Loki is in the "End of time" the remaining citadel made his throne at the end of the season
The more that the MCU invests into this Multiverse storyline, the more that I want DC to reboot *their* cinematic universe with Captain Carrot and the Amazing Zoo Crew (TM).
@ 9:00 mark that theory is perfect
Maybe the retro-future universe has already gone through their own secret wars
My pick is that the 616 is half of the complete “true marvel universe” and the other battling universe or universes make up the other half. After secret wars, they merge and become the true full 616
Every theory of yours are amazing
Since kang is nixed let’s just say it was the maker. Alternate reed.
Beast says that Monica being from a different universe is impossible, it isnt a lie because the bangles of Kamala Kahn are the elegant piece of art capable of teleporting someone through time and space as Beast let Roberto know in '97.
I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a mashed together sort of superset of everything we've seen so far, with everyone in it having memories of where they came from.
I like the Universe-10005
its the best one for sure lol
More accurate than earth 1999999
I think that once secret wars is over, the MCU universe left over will be universe 199999
Really like this theory. Makes much sense.
I thought reports were that Galactus was going to destroy Earth of the Fantastic Four's universe, and they would have to escape to our 616. 8 suppose if they have a big enough escape vessel, they could bring some other heroes over too
4:13 In the last episode of Loki, *spolers*
They said that the alternate Kang was a “616 adjacent” realm. So, my assumption is all the dimensions and realms you listed are mostly 616 adjacent. Meaning somewhat connected to 616 but not directly
Now I'm hoping you're right, that the FF and X-Men are grouped in one comic-esque universe. Would be fun to have at least one bit of dialog refer to one universe or the other as "ultimate" in some way
The battle of those two universes is inconsequential if Galactus kills the F4 60's universe.
What about the Sony Spiderman Universe?
That what if sounds amazing 🤩
the logan who ended up in 10005 at the end of deadpool wasn't originally from that universe. they got pulled from another timeline after passing away in 10005.
I absolutely love this freaking channel 😂 didn’t even read the title fully before clicking
This is honestly the earliest I've stumbled on a video! 😂
Ai want the 616 universe to continue
Isn't the Fantastic Four movie universe supposed to die by the end of the movie...if it isn't then this works just fine but...from what is rumoured, this can't happen
Video idea: what if the cavelrine universe is the Zach Schneider universe, but marvel and not DC, having the same actors like Ben affleck as captain america, and ofc, Henry cavil as wolverine
Hahahahahhahaha or just and X-Men universe with Ben Affleck as Cyclops lol
Can you PLEASE go over the “Age of apocalypse” story please
By the way I love your channel
Here's how I see it.
Dont let speculation be expectation. Judge based on what actually happens on its own merit.
I wonder when we'll start to explore the many afterlifes of the marvel universe. Since a few big name characters dwell in the afterlife. We saw hints in doctor strange 2 and then Valhalla in thor 4
I love love for all those universes to collide like in the comics🔥🙏
Deadpool & Wolverine's Wolverine also had his own Avengers
my hope is that we start unraveling the revelation that a lot of the seemingly related stories we’ve seen took placd on alternate/parallel earths. the old Marvel way of explaining away inconsistencies in continuity and a great setup for Battleworld
I think Secret Wars will be vs the Fantastic 4 universe-which will be primarily defended by Dr. Doom.
Great and thoughtful pitch!💡
This is a beautiful theory! I have some crazy thinking to do
I’ll let you know after “First Steps” 😁 If they pull it off like you’ve described, I’d be very excited by the possibilities of that universe!
Ooohhhh awesome video! I'm curious to see what's to come.
Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤
What about Peter-2 & 3's realities
Thanks, thumbs up, have a great day.
I'd definetly watch this take on the MCU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cannot wait!!!!
I’ve been waiting for yall to talk abt this
“An Alex Ross-esque universe”❤
Your end theory is contrary to your other theories that Galactus destroys the FF universe
What about what if? Where does that fit here?
What about the first and rebooted ff4 movies???
I think it’d be fitting to have 3 main universes that the movies focus on in Doomsday and then BattleWorld in Secret Wars.
The three would be 10005, 616 and a separate universe where the F4 and X-Men from the Marvels post-credits live.
This then couldn’t be 838 because the F4 existed in the modern day and their Reed (who looks like John Krasinski) is dead.
I’d be cool to also have 838 included in a smaller way, as well as have other cameos similar to Deadpool 3, and even seeing 838 Sue and others in the aftermath of Reed’s death.
Lastly, I agree with everyone else that the other Marvel F4 properties gotta be included and with one of the Reeds being evil.
What if in Secret wars It just makes the prime Marvel universe Able to have everything from the comics. Without having the universe split.
I'm pretty sure deadpool got retcon as part of days of the future past good future and logan's universe
Yeah, I'm ready for the 616 saga to end. A "true" MCU would have SO many more possibilities without having to retcon anything... ideally.
It’s weird to see how many alternate universes we have seen in the MCU already, it’s just getting started
I really like your therory E. It makes a ton of sense, I'd love it if the 616 were over and we reset into a more comic accurate super hero universe, which may or may not be the same universe as the fantastic 4's, they have a different silver surfer apparently.
I agree that they wanted the universe from the marvels to be different. We have never seen Binary on screen before
Best theory yet. The Feige-verse is still out there. Unexplored by MCU fans.
I’d love to see different Universes and their histories crash together for Secret Wars, but then separate again.
Because it’s hard to imagine that somewhere in the background of Captain America: Winter Soldier, there were (for example) vampires.
I think that we keep some of our current characters, but also keep a lot of the newer ones from the F4 universe. Love that theory by the way. Then there will be some heartfelt moments losing characters weve grown to love but also gaining characters that we've wanted all along.
Ultimate X-men universe
2:57 Loki is in Citadel at the end of time which got broken and hence the throne where he sits it's the same throne of He who Remains🤓
I think no one wins and somehow they beat whoever is doing secret wars and it's just like CW flash crisis on infinite Earth where at the end they have always been together the whole time.
Secret Wars should be a fresh start event. Its time to bring it all together.
We need the X-Men! ❤
I really wanna see a doom battle world where all time lines and multiverses collide into one making it the true marvel 616 universe
How could the universe that beast is in be the future of the ff4 universe if that universe will be destroyed by an incursion??
It's not idk why he would even assume that. Clearly Beast is from Earth 10005 FoXmen Revised timeline
I'd like to see Loki end up running an Exiles Team, to go off to other universes and fix problems.
I hope this is the route I always thought they are the left overs of a old universe that’s is a prime. Basically universe jr
The comic book reader in me, wants the more complete marvel universe!
Here's a dumb question: Are the non xmen marvel, non mcu, movies in the same universe as the xmen movies? Would anything break if we included Blade, Daredevil, Elektra, punisher, the 2 Fantastic 4 movies, Ghost Rider, etc, in that world? Ik it'd be a stretch but I was curious
Your overthinking
@@TioJones-lm1zi probably but I think it's kinda cool, even if it's not a thing
They hit a wall, Time for change
I really hope somehow in the future movies, Doctor Strange goes through the multiverses (including X-men '97 and What If).
I think I’m feeling the one with everybody. Just because we can always go back and watch the movies. 😊
Wolverine in Daredevil and Wolverine was a variant anyway. They had their own Collosus.
What about the Spider verses?
Sony!
I think to have a non-616 universe win out as the "true" universe would be a mistake. 616 is deeply embedded in Marvel lore as the main timeline, so invalidating that for the films wouldn't hit right. Also, it would really feel like a gut punch for the 16 years we've invested in the MCU as fans
Im kinda curious how the incursions gonna begin would be similar like how the blip was is people appearing out of nowhere ??
Charles is dead in 100005 and beast doesn't have fangs. It's two separate universes
If you’re expecting Deadpool and wolverine to explain the mcu multiverse I have news for you Deadpool movies always ignored its universe canon so they feel less heavy than x men or avengers movies
I’m so excited is they desert everything and make it accurate and perfect
This is the "Soft Reboot" talked about years ago....
this would be awesome
*The MCU is 199999, not 616
Also no way keep the old 616 history as is, but this battle world will just the be the 616 and the other universe it collides with coming together and resetting as one universe going forward with all X-Men and all other heros and villains now with the main MCU ones we already grew to love
marvel wont piss away 616 untill they can gain control of spiderman from sony. without spiderman they run into the same problems.
As with comics, the most popular one of course.
Keep 616 I love it too much sorry x-men
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I'd love it if we had the X-Men 97 X-Men appear at least once.