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Another tragedy regarding Frost becoming just another Freeza is that Frost being both a deceitful trickster AND a noble hero isn't as diametrically opposed as some might think. The rationale? _"When you have something or someone worth protecting, the concept of an honest and fair fight becomes more trouble than its worth. If YOU won't resort to an underhanded tactic to save a life, evil will use an underhanded tactic to END that life first."_ BOOM. Frost becomes morally justified for cheating in his fight while maintaining his morality.
Trickster heroes all across folklore, mythology, and storytelling in general are founded on the idea. Guile is a tool and a skill, and like any tool and skill, its morality is determined by the wielder.
This felt wholesome and very well nuanced. The fact that Frost struggled with much of his inner demons and actually had the courage to face consequences up until the very end was indeed the biggest source of warmth and redemption here. Well done good sir, please do not stop!
I can imagine Final push against Jiren in tournament be like - when Goku fight along side with Frost, Frieza make the same expression as Vegeta see Goku fight with Frieza. -Beerus and Champa would yell their respective member name while both universe shout "DO IT"
Glad to see the Frost Demon face his inner... demons! *Some* aspects of his initial change - given how much distaste Frost had for the proper heroes - was a little jarring, but every part of this felt better nuanced than average. Aside from potentially planting the poison needles earlier, since they wouldn't have had the same establishment in the Universe tournament, everything up to his return would work quite well in story! Frost's transformation was great, this softer/wise take on Hit quite interesting. and the jokes just as witty! Still, considering how Frost would appear after meeting 17, it'd be worth reworking that too. Perhaps if Frost kept his role, he was knocked off in the push against Jiren, and Goku did the final blow alone.
Definitely a good story! I had hoped for more Frieza vs Frost interaction given how much Frost was compared to Frieza and how much he resented that. Generally it was really cool! ^^
This What If to this day has to be my favorite of all. I have always wanted Frost to become a well written character and you sir have done that! DBS could never!
You just have the most absorbing storytelling, it really let's the movie play out in the listeners mind, just like reading a book does. It truly is a beautiful gift & talent you have, thank you.
@@modelomegatylerI get the feeling that he wasn't any different in the manga. If he was. I haven't had an opportunity to actually and actively read the manga. Believe me, I'd love to
@@modelomegatyler "Remake arcs"? What the HFIL? Like... The Black Arc and the T.O.P.? Cause those were so different between the manga and the anime. We got Super Saiyan God Vegeta and Gohan fought Kefla in the manga. But, the Black Arc has one thing that was pretty sick; seeing Goku actually fly off the handle again. "You're gonna regret telling me that, Zamasu. Now I'm mad. I'm really, reALLY mad! And now, IT'S TIME... TO PAYYYYYYY!" Honestly, when was the last time we got to see him go off. And I'm only defending it because Sean puts everything into voicing Goku. And it was visually beautiful
Frost actually still has great potential to turn good, and truly redeem himself. Universe 6& 7 are exact mirrors of each other. Vegeta was originally a foil to Frieza, and they both mirrored each others actions through the Namek arc. We can assume the same is true for Frost and Cabba. Both worked together, for a believed noble cause. Cabba is the Vegeta of U6. Cabba is noble, kind, and has a good heart. If both universes are exact mirrors of each other, then Frost can absolutely still qualify for redemption. He's not evil, or cruelly ruthless as Frieza. His motivations are also a bit different. He mostly wants money and fame. He can redeem himself also, by getting back at Frieza, by becoming the one thing Frieza hated next to a saiyan- a true, goodhearted hero. I hope we see more of U6, and Frost.
I've always felt like this was a really strange What If. You opened up saying how him being a good guy would've been way more interesting, only to...keep him a bad guy, and then TURN good? Itk inda defeats the point to me. "What if Frost WAS good?" would have been closer to what you were saying at the beginning, and I think it would've been a lot more interesting and unique.
The case could be made for either Vegeta and/or Goku. Vegeta could tell why Frost wanted to stay in universe 7 and had every reason to help Frost after he stalled for time in trunks timeline, and put his neck on the line to help Trunks get his timeline back. On the other hand, we know that Goku was able to get in touch with hit to place a bounty on his own head, and we know that Goku wants the best for his students. So it would be possible that Goku was able to bribe hit into holding back against frost, so he could survive while having his abilities tested. Bear in mind that neither of these possibilities exclude the other.
Could you do a what if Yagirobi wasn't a coward? I know that you would go back to the Dragonball series King Piccolo Arc but that dude has skill Toriyama sideline him like Yamcha!
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Ironic how people don't realize frost was actually good, he very VERY clearly stated that his final form makes himself uncontrolled, why do you think he went to his 3rd form? It's because the 4th is evil in nature as frost demons are. He was likely retconned to actually be evil but originally he was VERY clearly a good guy Unlike Freiza he created suppressions to suppress power and evil, not only does it make the most sense it was also stated (Indirectly but HEAVILY implied, far too implied to forget that it was implied unless you're an idiot like 99% of the population apparently is) Think of launch but not silly. Unless that was the dub or something,
Hmm masakoxdidnt you say while you didn't do or wouldn't plan do a female vegetai felt that it was a missed opportunity not to do a female vegetaeither cabbage isn't born keep in place if cabbage that a female saying that looks like vegetables or cabbage being female even in cannon I thought that it was. Missed opportunity not to have a female vegeta I mean we did literally get cauliflower and kale who are literally the female version of gokuandbrokybut not Vegwta
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masakox write about what if. good raditz vs dbs broly
It was a good what if. Keep up the good work man.
masakox write about what if good raditz vs good
frost
Man you did excellent work in this I love these please keep it up 👍 I’m waiting on the next episode of Revelation F
Another tragedy regarding Frost becoming just another Freeza is that Frost being both a deceitful trickster AND a noble hero isn't as diametrically opposed as some might think. The rationale? _"When you have something or someone worth protecting, the concept of an honest and fair fight becomes more trouble than its worth. If YOU won't resort to an underhanded tactic to save a life, evil will use an underhanded tactic to END that life first."_ BOOM. Frost becomes morally justified for cheating in his fight while maintaining his morality.
Trickster heroes all across folklore, mythology, and storytelling in general are founded on the idea. Guile is a tool and a skill, and like any tool and skill, its morality is determined by the wielder.
Frost as a hero who still uses poison and other underhanded tricks to win would have been awesome
dang that good
Exactly. Frost should have been an anti hero from the start.
Exactly like I was so disappointed when he turned all super evil out of nowhere, he could've been more morally grey
This felt wholesome and very well nuanced. The fact that Frost struggled with much of his inner demons and actually had the courage to face consequences up until the very end was indeed the biggest source of warmth and redemption here.
Well done good sir, please do not stop!
Masako, turning frost from a disappointment to a great storied hero, well done sir!
I can imagine Final push against Jiren in tournament be like
- when Goku fight along side with Frost, Frieza make the same expression as Vegeta see Goku fight with Frieza.
-Beerus and Champa would yell their respective member name while both universe shout "DO IT"
Just imagining Frost getting a golden form then goes to get revenge, but comes up against Black Frieza and gets bodied and then named, Yellow Snow.
"You can miss them though, they're green." I see what you did there Masako
The fact that Frost really likes ice cream just makes my day. Really this is one of my favorite what ifs
Glad to see the Frost Demon face his inner... demons!
*Some* aspects of his initial change - given how much distaste Frost had for the proper heroes - was a little jarring, but every part of this felt better nuanced than average. Aside from potentially planting the poison needles earlier, since they wouldn't have had the same establishment in the Universe tournament, everything up to his return would work quite well in story! Frost's transformation was great, this softer/wise take on Hit quite interesting. and the jokes just as witty! Still, considering how Frost would appear after meeting 17, it'd be worth reworking that too. Perhaps if Frost kept his role, he was knocked off in the push against Jiren, and Goku did the final blow alone.
Definitely a good story! I had hoped for more Frieza vs Frost interaction given how much Frost was compared to Frieza and how much he resented that.
Generally it was really cool! ^^
"That these men... have no ill will."
So close to greatness Masako, so close.
Ahh Frost... so much unexplored story material...again great video masako!
Frost Turns Good in this Heartwarming Tale. :-P
But the frieza turn good is more heartwarming
@@flameffist4457 it’s the best what if any one has ever made hands down
@@Commercialhardware I disagree but it's your opinion and I respect it
@@flameffist4457 thanks dude what’s your favourite?
@@Commercialhardware My favourite is the frieza turned good series
This What If to this day has to be my favorite of all. I have always wanted Frost to become a well written character and you sir have done that! DBS could never!
You just have the most absorbing storytelling, it really let's the movie play out in the listeners mind, just like reading a book does. It truly is a beautiful gift & talent you have, thank you.
I actually enjoyed the idea of Frost being a good person as opposed his U7 counterpart. Too bad Canon messed that up
at least the anime.
@@modelomegatylerI get the feeling that he wasn't any different in the manga. If he was. I haven't had an opportunity to actually and actively read the manga. Believe me, I'd love to
@@ThomasBlakely-f4x might be better than watching the anime. i couldn't even get through the remake arcs.
@@modelomegatyler "Remake arcs"? What the HFIL? Like... The Black Arc and the T.O.P.? Cause those were so different between the manga and the anime. We got Super Saiyan God Vegeta and Gohan fought Kefla in the manga. But, the Black Arc has one thing that was pretty sick; seeing Goku actually fly off the handle again. "You're gonna regret telling me that, Zamasu. Now I'm mad. I'm really, reALLY mad! And now, IT'S TIME... TO PAYYYYYYY!" Honestly, when was the last time we got to see him go off. And I'm only defending it because Sean puts everything into voicing Goku. And it was visually beautiful
@@ThomasBlakely-f4x the remake arcs that redo battle of gods and resurrection F =_=
This What-If is so Underrated good.
Thank you so much MasakoX
I have to drive over an hour a day to get to school and work. Being able to listen to your stories makes the drive so much more fun for me!
A followup to this at some point in the future with the more recent Super arcs would be pretty sweet.
the fact I used to have a frost demon oc named frost before TOP cacs were made makes me think I will never be original.
1:05:26
I like that little change from the original that Masako did here. Its WAY less suggestive and quite possibly offensive
Wasn’t the original “Don’t shoot he’s not Black?”
1:50:28 Glad to see my boy Krillin getting saved the embarrassment this time around. Always felt bad for him there.
Aw, but it was exchange for Roshi not having his cool fight against Ganos later in the Tournament :(
This is definitely one of my favorites.
The story of yellow snow... I mean golden Frost!
Frost as Booster Gold makes way to much sense.
Honestly I love what ifs abt frost I like him the way he is now and they way u made him hees an interesting character with lots of potential
I would like to see a Universe 6 King Cold and Cooler.
Well cooler is not canon but we could see King cold version of universe 6
@@technoimperialist9509he'd cannon in our hearts
Would be cool if there was more of this, I actually like this what if
Frost actually still has great potential to turn good, and truly redeem himself. Universe 6& 7 are exact mirrors of each other. Vegeta was originally a foil to Frieza, and they both mirrored each others actions through the Namek arc. We can assume the same is true for Frost and Cabba. Both worked together, for a believed noble cause. Cabba is the Vegeta of U6. Cabba is noble, kind, and has a good heart. If both universes are exact mirrors of each other, then Frost can absolutely still qualify for redemption. He's not evil, or cruelly ruthless as Frieza. His motivations are also a bit different. He mostly wants money and fame. He can redeem himself also, by getting back at Frieza, by becoming the one thing Frieza hated next to a saiyan- a true, goodhearted hero. I hope we see more of U6, and Frost.
So I guess we can assume Hit wasn't actually hired by anyone to save Frost and he just didn't want to see Frost jailed or taken down by his old crew.
Man, if only Frost was just a true hero in Super instead of a secret villain.
I would have preferred that Super had made Frost ACTUALLY a good person to begin with.
1:05:31 DON'T SHOOT! This man isn't black!
Thanks! I fell too far behind on this what if!
I've always felt like this was a really strange What If. You opened up saying how him being a good guy would've been way more interesting, only to...keep him a bad guy, and then TURN good? Itk inda defeats the point to me. "What if Frost WAS good?" would have been closer to what you were saying at the beginning, and I think it would've been a lot more interesting and unique.
I feel like it was needed that way to make the character develop more.
One question Masako.
Who hired Hit to protect Frost?
Hot take: Vegeta did.
We leave you a space to speculate. RJ Ante might be onto something, but we won't confirm it nor deny it. :) Something we left open on purpose.
Eren jaeger
The case could be made for either Vegeta and/or Goku. Vegeta could tell why Frost wanted to stay in universe 7 and had every reason to help Frost after he stalled for time in trunks timeline, and put his neck on the line to help Trunks get his timeline back. On the other hand, we know that Goku was able to get in touch with hit to place a bounty on his own head, and we know that Goku wants the best for his students. So it would be possible that Goku was able to bribe hit into holding back against frost, so he could survive while having his abilities tested. Bear in mind that neither of these possibilities exclude the other.
No one did, Hit chose not to kill him I think…..
This makes me want to write a fanfic What-If on what **both** Frost and Frieza turned good
Did you do it
they should kiss 😳
When he knows what we want before we know.
I’d love to see more What Ifs involving Universe 6 characters!
What a Cool what-if
Take my like and leave....
Frost's greatest opponent. Racism.
When is what if Yajirobe was a z fighter coming back?
In the Manga frost isn't as bad as the anime portrayed him
This is the character Frost should've been!
I can’t come up with a decent pun today. This is just a nice story.
That's fine! Enjoy the ride.
This, is exatly what we should have in the Anime. Instead of another Frieza. Which was pointless since they keep bringing him back.
This is awesome!! Thank you for making this!!!
frieza can't use god ki can he, didn't he just manipulate destruction energy that one time
It's Frost Time To Shine
What if earth had the cerelian dragonballs instead of the earths?
What are those?
@@dracosmith7781 I assume the dragon balls from Granolah's planet (from the Dbs manga)
Although I haven't been keeping up with the story
@@ZeothTheHedgehog I am 90% sure that it is just 2 small dragon balls.
Would anything even change?
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Do an rework of after tournament of power frost of universe 6 becoming good from being an soul
1:41:08 What just happened? Was there a mistake in the cut or something?
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57:04 Frost couldn't sleep yet he was able to have a dream?
When do we get an animated series for this one
I enjoyed this what if a lot
I just completed watching the playlist xd
Revelation f for frost? Or something of the sort
I liked this one a lot
Instead of turned good i think it would be better if he were just good to begin with.
It's interesting watching Frost struggle with his inner demons and a terrible past.
What if namekians had a god form instead of saiyans
That would be such a nice subversion.
What is goten was sent back in time by accident in the in the
44:12 DOCTOR WHO REFERENCE
I just put my newborn son into a blender
Lets get frosty
Could you do a what if Yagirobi wasn't a coward? I know that you would go back to the Dragonball series King Piccolo Arc but that dude has skill Toriyama sideline him like Yamcha!
Do what if frost had friza's potential
He does.. he literally does.
1:05:26 Smooth, Masako. Smooth.
Why gold frost, why not silver frost
Black frost
That's actually a pretty cold name.
Am I the only one who ships these versions of Cabba and Frost?
More of an ICE guy 1:21
I AM both 29 days and 21 days away what am I?
A period.
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44:10 Excuse your Whoviansness?
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Wow. That soon??
@@MasakoX yeah, if you keep your average daily subscribers increasing at the rate it is.
Cabba is frickin annoying
Masako do what if bardocks rebellion against freeza/frieza succeeded
there have been so many scenarios where he's done this bro ask for something original
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Ironic how people don't realize frost was actually good, he very VERY clearly stated that his final form makes himself uncontrolled, why do you think he went to his 3rd form? It's because the 4th is evil in nature as frost demons are.
He was likely retconned to actually be evil but originally he was VERY clearly a good guy
Unlike Freiza he created suppressions to suppress power and evil, not only does it make the most sense it was also stated (Indirectly but HEAVILY implied, far too implied to forget that it was implied unless you're an idiot like 99% of the population apparently is)
Think of launch but not silly.
Unless that was the dub or something,
Hmm masakoxdidnt you say while you didn't do or wouldn't plan do a female vegetai felt that it was a missed opportunity not to do a female vegetaeither cabbage isn't born keep in place if cabbage that a female saying that looks like vegetables or cabbage being female even in cannon I thought that it was. Missed opportunity not to have a female vegeta I mean we did literally get cauliflower and kale who are literally the female version of gokuandbrokybut not Vegwta