Example of Lateral Thinking When it Matters
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- We love this example of engineering excellence. In the incredible Apollo 13 mission the NASA team showed the world an example of how lateral thinking and deep dive brainstorming methods can deliver when it matters most.
Over 40 years on, 4c Design uses these hands on techniques to solve some of the countries toughest engineering problems .
Fun fact: these engineers actually did this all before Apollo 13 ever took off. This procedure was developed before the launch as an emergency fix for this issue with the filters not matching
Talk about contingency planning
I’m guessing after Apollo 13 nasa overhauled compatibility for technology and equipment
where did you get this information?
@@andreamattioli9276 trust me bro
A very good friend of mine's father was one of the engineers in the room. I had a chance to talk to him before he died, There is so much more tho this story. Art Hinners, RIP. He also holds the patent for a couple items used in the Apollo space capsules. If memory serves, one was the deceleration "crush" framework used behind the seats to minimize landing impact.
that is genius!
Statistically speaking you only get the chance(s) to talk to someone when they are alive
What else is there to the story? A tale, a tale!
@@aryandogra2905 that study hasn't been peer reviewed so be careful when you use it as a source.
You said there was so much more to the story then failed to elaborate...?
Just before these scenes, the Command Capsule pilot (forget the man''s name) was arguing about the CO2 level. This video cut the part where the LM pilot realized that out of habit he was computing the expected CO2 levels for only two people in the LM. The CM pilot gave the LM pilot a look and said "Maybe I should hold my breath." LOL!!
I gotchu, bruh. CM pilot was Jack Swigert (played by Kevin Bacon), LM pilot was Fred Haise (Bill Paxton). Mission commander Jim Lovell (Tom Hanks). 😉
@@noahlarson1861 Fred Haise and Jim Lovell were very inexperienced given their previous job was running a shrimp fishing boat.
@@christophersanders3252 🤣🤣🤣👌
2:06 When you get two simultaneous pats on the back, that's when you know you've done a really good job
While the engineers that solved the problem should be commended for their creativity, the tech debt was created many years prior and was a design inconsistency flaw that should have been addressed beforehand. If you have the opportunity to do it right the first time, you should!
It was a failure of imagination, compounded by the fact the CSM was built by North American Aviation, while the LEM was built by Grumman. Other than where they connected, no one saw a reason to share design schematics for the other systems, probably because they saw them as proprietary.
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This is a consistent problem that permeates through all sorts of organizations, be its governments, or corporations, where that they believe that speed is more important than design. They even coined terms for overlooking things such as “overthinking” and “analysis paralysis”. The end result of such thinking is situations just like this.
A: cheap
B: reliable
C: maintenance friendly
Choose two.
Sure but on the other hand ensuring such consistency takes time and creates coupling between projects, which can introduce scheduling complexity and timeline risk. Remember, NASA was on the clock to get to the moon before the end of the decade so they usually tried to not let perfection get in the way of good enough.
"Well I hope you have the processdures for me"
My man, we're engineers, of course we made instructions
IKEA….yeah, I dare you….😂
@@jimreilly917 Thats not engineers, thats designers
@@arthour051 true.
@@arthour051 you funny like joke. I laugh. Ha ha
I feel this way everytime i have to make a bong from household items.
The things you can do with a room filled with very motivated geniuses.
And coffee.
I worked with a guy that was a supervisor at an ADM plant. He told me about having an intern that was an engineering student working for the summer. He turned the student loose bolting down the head on a steam pressure vessel and said he'd check back in an hour. When he came back, he saw the student hammering on something and he'd hardly made any progress. When he asked what was going on the student told him "These washers were bent-so I'm hammering them flat." The 'bent' washers were lock washers!
Oh I worked there! The supervisor was called Crow and the intern Mike.
I worked at there too!
@@Tretas. It was in the not so distant future.
these are the type of "engineers" colleges will produce post-covid, nobody does any physical class work anymore, you can cheat through all tests lol... there's about to be a serious problem in very important fields in the work force
@@chandlerwarren6281 'Idiocracy' was a documentary.
I'm a skilled worker-the demand for us keeps going up so at least we'll probably make good money in the near future.
As to the problem of non-compatible filters, this sort of issue is epidemic in industry. In a major automotive plant about fifteen years ago, we had a two-part process where one series of machines fed another series of machines to produce a single product. The two groups of machines had been designed by two different engineering teams that apparently never talked to each other. The two groups had no common parts. None. Switches, valves, relays. motor drive systems, circuit breakers, pressure sensors, photo-eyes, and even the latches on the control cabinets. NOTHING was common, or interchangeable. Oh, and NONE of these parts were compatible with any other system we had in the plant. It was insane.
Everything was brought in, dropped on the floor, and then skilled trades was told to "make it work". Lucky for the company, skilled trades has decades of experience doing the impossible. We eventually, with the help of a lot of overtime, made it work. Management got a big 'Attaboy' and the engineering teams got nice plaques, and none of them learned anything, since the next system that was brought in had exactly the same problems.
Let's hear it for the engineers, they often don't get enough credit for what they do for us all.
Besides the ones who created weapons
How could they possibly get enough credit?
Have you ever met an engineer? They never fail to tell you that the are engineers... hard to give credit to a blowhard who's beat you to the punch
That was back in the days when smart people were looked up to and celebrated.
@@ryaneye6347 that's a stupid as$ comment. A weapon is a tool. You're gonna hate on Neanderthals for making fire and spears too?
Isn't using a tube the most obvious solution if you want to connect two things that don't fit together initially?
Sure, it's obvious to you after a room full of engineers built it.
I'm not sure that's what lateral thinking is.
Love the three-axis orientation of the astronauts, reinforcing that there is no preferred reference frame in space, and onboard artificial gravity wasn’t a thing back then (also saved space).
Let it be known that artificial gravity _still_ isn't a thing in real spacecraft.
Our movie making technology has advanced enough to show artificial gravity in space ships now.
@@kerbo5918 this is based on the real story so that’s irrelevant
There is however a preferred reference frame inside a space capsule. All the controls are designed to be operated from a certain direction. All the text is in one orientation (probably).
@@TimoRutanen this is because the capsule is boosted by rockets with only enough reaction mass for acceleration along a single vector (Earth to the Moon), and so the preferred reference frame to which the controls are oriented is the one in which the rocket reaction is “down” and the direction of acceleration is “up.” Between boost phases, however, neglecting to prefer a single reference frame multiplies the usable “cubic” of the capsule enormously.
I wish the video was more descriptive and educational rather than a movie clip I could find anywhere. That would include laymen like myself into the points you’re trying to make
So lateral thinking essentially is just creative problem solving: finding solutions that aren’t immediately obvious. When they put the box next to the cylinder and say “ we need to find a way to fit THIS into THAT” the immediate thought is “well that’s not going to work” but as the movie shows you: they got it to ‘fit’ via a hose and duct tape.
2 centuries earlier, they solved the labor problem by taking certain slaves!
The true is actually more impressive. It was actually 1 guy and a parts list that designed it. The pressure the guy must have been under must have been incomprehensible.
I actually heard the parts list did most of the legwork
Holy shit!!!!! Nice slideshow! One frame for every astronaut!
0:32 that's what she said
ive watched this movie 100+ times growing up. one of my favorite sequences is this scenenario.
First Tom Hanks movie I remember watching as a kid, such a classic!
Always amuses me to see engineers getting big Attaboy's for occasionally doing the kind of things that skilled trades professionals have to do almost daily.
The public has no idea how often trades will look at a blueprint, laugh, and then do what we know is both right, and will work. We even sometimes tell the engineers later, so that they can modify the print to match what got done. You'd be surprised how often engineers are so concerned with impressing people with how brilliant that they are, that they forget that the goal is that what they are designing is expected to WORK.
And its now in the manual onboard on how to build this
RTFM
The stupidest scene in the movie when you know that jim lowell himself was part of the team that had found the solution months before
Wasn't this actually transverse diagonal contralateral thinking?
No that's when you increase the font size of all the periods in your essay by two points to give yourself an extra 15% of pages without increasing word count.
@Anthony Vanover I thought that was vertical transpage reproportioning..
@@LucidDreamer54321 careful now or you'll fall into the recursive divergent self-gestating DQM axiom.
@linx I bet that would leave a bruise.
Their year end bonus is a shiny trophy
Example of lateral thinking? You skipped all the thinking. Went straight from problem to solution. What good was this?
Is nobody going to mention the fact that this company is using a MOVIE (whose name they censored) to promote themselves?
Couldn't use lateral thinking to create your own visuals for your ad?
Now, I want to find a movie clip and claim that it's what I do all the time, too. I'll watch _Yojimbo_ to get some ideas.
Note to self: Bring duct tape with you to everywhere you wanna be.
When I see one of these movies the first thing I think of is where do these little minion guys get those uniforms? Does NASA have a dress code? Do they get provided those? Was that fashionable in the day? Lmao
You go to a job, you dress well. You stay home, you go naked.
My favorite scene from this film.
I worked for a guy who brought down Romanian Dictator Nicolae Causescau with nothing more than a post-it note and an almond croissant. That’s lateral thinking.
This is a beautiful example of the mindset that keeps the U.S Navy combat ready.
Do they often engineer gadgets to keep people alive?
The more I read about the US navy the more I believe that picture of the marine strapped to an F/A18 pylon was not meant as a joke.
Then how come navy ships keep running over fishing vessels like some kind of third world banana republic?
@@John-Adams those innocent chinese fishing vessels
Jim on the left side of the thumbnail and Dwight on the right
great scene. but when I was a kid I didn't get it. I thought they literally had to make that square fit into a circle hole that was smaller than it
He makes me want to have a combover!
bill paxton was the actor you didnt know was in a lot of movies you've seen but only actually realise its him after you watch it again years later. i will fight anyone to the death who wishes to challenge me on this. come at me bro. do it do it
I immediately knew he was one of the punks that first confronted the Terminator... did you? lol...
Hold this briefcase for me.
I knew exactly who he was ever since he stole the show in Aliens
he was awesome in Castaway, with Tom Hanks, every time I look at a Wilson ball, I think of BIll Paxton. Loved him in Good Fellas too, funny how, that scene with him cracks me up every time. But his best role was probably Groundhog Day, playing Phil he really sank his teeth into the role
Game over man, game over..
Help sir. Please. Here's what's going on your free writer lateral thinkes. Saying "people are going to do what people are going to to. That is trap math.
Continues . .
Negligence is harmful. Most people are only doing what they want, & what to please & impress, or for who in their peer group or range, 'not wanting to be bothered'. Doing & solving what we want, well, most people I think won't try or haven't the spare hand to help end this suffering. When a child is torn from their mother inhumanely, there may be some understand person she may grieve to. A card or something of 'sorry for your loss'. This is a life of torture, loneliess, never complete happiness, on & on, & usually, if anyone says anything to me, it's never comforting. They try to sound mature & confident as they say "she'll come back. A child has one mother. She'll grow up. Kids these days. Give her time. You should try to reach out". Yes with all the lack of love on the one hand, & the lack of support on the other, & 1 family member who cares about me, it is generally a thought a considered thing to suggest to me to keep being a friendly, helpful mum, tolerant of pain she could cause me. It seems to me she hates me. The last thing she said to me was she hates me. She wants sympathy sympathy sympathy and through things I've never meant as rude or nasty. She chose them, like chose Candace & other people.. like if they were worthwhile people then I was worth letting die alone to live as a writer & not ever ever feel ok. What if I wait all my life, never reprieved & never anyone knowing I wasn't what she's disguised me as, for what purpose I don't know. I need her to tell the person/people that what she'd said to make such strong point that no one should cherish or care about me or question what she says about me so to take 'her side' for her having taken 'their side', in lieu of my ever being ok, that she doesn't hate me, & doesn't even not love me. Maybe she needed years & years to let off steam. The older she gets, the longest she says what she says, she won't be able to say she'd been letting off steam for anguish we'd caused her. Every parent has caused their child to feel anguish at times. She's never nice to me. Never contacts me. Her hatred grows & doesn't stop growing. I stay away, & it gets worse. If I talk to her it gets worse. If I plead & cry, I'm called "that person". I don't like that Jake doesn't care she's so relentlessly keeping me dead to her & her world. When he's a father, is he going to play their children against me so long as she never take back a thing she's said, or says anything nice? "She gets massacred because she gets massacred" is trap math.
This free writer lateral thinker hasn't the money for the hardcore writers tech I need, so, this free writer lateral thinker hasn't the money for the writers tech I need. A free writer lateral thinker, dealing with the backlog of problems people not want to look at to need to solve, need best writers tech, free. Money hasn't anything to do with that tech is meant for this type of writer, & tech folk not having provisioned it for us. Money keeps getting used in the reason why I not have hardcore tech, & money's also being used as the means procuring such equipment. We write for free, because people who are brought shouldn't write about issues concerning all society. Money corrupts, &, maths is fraudulent. How is it there's no one developing tech equipment to enable free writers to be more productive, if they were really good at math. Why can't they work out that the more people agreed with too much buying people with items & wages & the solving of problems they want to solve wanting to 'call shots', the lower the shock threshold for truth that hurts of the collective, the riskier it is to be a free writer who sometimes writing things that may confront or irrationally concern people & the less people become writers, the more, & faster, & quicker & better who remains of free writer lateral thinkers need to write? Math is a tool to advantage over who not do it so well, only revealing so much as to help their cause/s. People only feel responsible for hurting people for having done something to hurt them, but if it hurts us when they do nothing, no one acknowledges how their neglect's cost a person. It doesn't only cost us to neglect us, but we also look like who in the crowd people kick to get to kick again. It's a "they get kicked because they get kicked" life for who gets kicked. It's like cursing someone to hell, & not a word is uttered in acknowledgement about this. It feels like slow murder when math folk not admit they treasure their own lives & fortunes they won't stop the trap math. It's like the daughter that always crushes the mother to keep the identity in tact. Will you do this all someone's life? I feel buried already, but it's because that's where you want me, not because I feel dead because there's something wrong with me. It's like being eaten alive like a monkey with its head cut open. People seem to need a "who to kick to kick", & they won't stop. Math may be real, but math folk are the biggest liars of all people in regard to lying by omission & the very intentionally 'accidentally' lowering prospects of others survival. I haven't met one person with the means. They keep quieter than moths on sunny days, acting like they're not a part of this world. If they're not, then, what are they doing with currency which is for people of the world to use to solve problems. The maths person is like a hole in a bucket, or a fork in the back keeping us weak. It's trap math that who use math to make things for money be expected to apply their math knowledge to the betterment of society. "They do the math so they'll be doing the math" looks like the 'widely agreed with' logic written on free writer lateral thinkers & philosophers headstones. Money means nothing but fun issuing suffering, contemptuous for that you share the world with the rest of us. ..When you 'syphon' the money, & lean on people & exacerbate their problems which your trap math excuses you from solving, whilst solve problems you want which you place on the problem pile yourselves to prosper, well "their having the money & getting to pick the problems to solve people should spend money on ..doesn't make sense anymore. Math folk aren't just using math so get to pick the problems. They're using real math & creating a whole lot of backlog of problems ..which there aren't free writer lateral thinkers provisioned the free tech we need to keep up with it. They're like my daughter the math man. They want me to die, utterly, & to push down & down until I do. If maths folk really did math, they'd know it's wrong to think they're the only ones shutting doors on the people they shut doors on. They act like they don't know they're not the only one doing it. For all tech society to be such snobs is callous & sadistic gang thuggery. It's greedy, & it creates & reinforces helplessness of the people who's problems to solve go on & on burried.😮
Peak engineering right there.
This is what separates America from the rest of the countries
Bullshit! I have an Arts degree and there's nothing a sledge hammer won't fix. Best part is all my engineering colleagues agree with me.
I've worked with engineers, especially computer sci/programmer types. They don't like writing instructions and it does not really matter, written or verbal, they ALWAYS skip steps (multiple) because they presume that everyone will fill in the gaps with the same knowledge or assumptions. Emphasis on the word ALWAYS!
Yeah, this has been true forever, part of the issue is massive assumptions of knowledge, another part I think is that people who can do stuff like this are routinely unskilled at explaining how they did it.
Very good skill is to create instructions for yourself and then empathize with other people and dumb it down/expand it accordingly.
Not true, especial back in the 60's at NASA. You need to remember the real brains of the entire program were ex-German rocket engineers. They lived and died by "Procedure". Everything was written down and checked 3 times. Its the American tendency to take short-cuts that you have grown up with and experienced. I keep telling people, America did not go to the Moon, Germany went to the Moon, America wrote the check. It is really obvious when you take a close look at the actual history rocket and missile development in the US that it was just a continuation of the German program.
Don't forget to comment your code! In the past I wasted so much time trying to figure out MY OWN CODE because I didn't make notes along the way. Even if you think you're the only one that will ever work on it, always comment your code!
It's not even a presumption, they just don't realize that it needs to be mentioned because they're going with information that they've gotten used to just having laying around in their head.
It's like if you're troubleshooting a computer over the phone you never tell them to plug it in, because you assume they have electricity and are aware the computer needs it.
And this is why the ability to train and teach is a skill in itself, because in addition to knowing a lot about the subject, you also need to know what the gaps in the students knowledge will be, in advance.
It’s a movie. It isn’t real. The story may have been based on real incidents, but was modified by screenwriters.
why did they design 2 incompatible systems in the first place.. thats just stupid
The best engineering solutions come from limitations and constrains.
Well impossible is so vague
I thought lateral thinking was tossing the problem back to someone else.
Oh! So just a segment of the film. I thought someone was going to tell me a bit about how they did it.
Lateral thinking without contingency plans...
I need an avacado, ice pick and a snorkel. Trust me
It would be impressive if it actually happened.
i think this is more of an example of a scene from a movie.
If its too stupid to work, then its to stupid to fail.
Good old fashioned brain power.
Where did it go? 😢
Where was Literal Thinking applied?
lateral thinking? really? this?
Good ole yankee ingenuity
No clue how they fixed it
This is a movie
They don't make movies like this anymore. People don't work together in teams like that anymore.
Being dyslexic helps !
Funny thing is only 1 guy did that.. But the film makers didn't think it was gd enough for the movie so they made a team.
One of the greatest moments in this film
Duct tape and bailing wire can fix anything!
I've dealt with plenty of engineers in my life, then I retired! Early!
This is one of my favourite scenes in this film. Here's to the steely eyed missile men.
A tube, some plastic and duct tape. Inspired genius. 😂
I always remembered that scene.
John Glenn looked worried
Never saw this movie. Friggin all star cast.
I encountered one situation similar to this in my own career as a nuclear instrument technician. We came within minutes of having to shut down one of our reactors. Slightly different as it would have just cost money and not lives…but at the time it felt a lot like this as we wrangled over prints trying to find a solution the problem and came within 14 minutes of a forced reactor shutdown.
Someone gave me a Dremel tool for free 2 weeks ago because they bought it on the idea it had speed control But did not.
Today I bought a dimmer switch And broke down a old plug And off $8 have the same $80 dremel he went out and bought
this is from a movie
Ed Harris does things to my brain.
This slideshow is an example of nothing. There is no deep dive. They skip the actual brainstorming. What's the point of this video's premise other than uploading a scene from a movie?
What is lateral thinking ?
Thinking outside the box.
I have a nut to tighten but I don't have a wrench. I have a disk saw though, so I can use it to cut a slot on the head and turn it into a screw I can tighten with a flathead screwdriver. Something like that.
@@npc6817 ahh ok...makes sense now...ty :)
Good job take a comp day.
Actually, this procedure existed prior to launch. They added this to the movie for drama, but it didn't happen in real life.
TY.
Also always remember, there's is no 'Box' to stay withiin.
I've tried to make that point before.
Also EVERY GLASS IS ALWAYS FULL ... it's half water sometimes then the balance is air..... If a glass has 0 water, then it's simply 100% air....
Except your wife's
@@SuperChuckRaney so what you're telling me is you're too stupid to infer they specifically mean a liquid like water, not a gas like air.
@@t_c5266 I can see you are not an engineer or coder. The question is specifically stated as "Half Full" infered as water, then obviously, the other half is air.
A glass container is a zero sum unit, it holds liquids/solids/air. Containers are always 100% full unless a vacuum is applied.
@@SuperChuckRaney i bet you also argue that the sky isnt blue.
Tell me, whats it like being unemployable?
So many great actors in this scene, and all before they really hit their peak.
Duck tape
DUCT TAPE, hold insulation (and everything else) to the duct. Quack Quack.
Here's an idea, why didn't they put on there space suit to keep warm and save oxygen....
Because the suit only has so much and it's big a bulky. The space shuttle, as you can see, isn't massive inside.
I object to this video as there were no female, trans, lgbqrstuv..., Black Asian, obese, feminist actors in that clip. Thankfully movies like this and solutions like this would never happen today, and those astronauts would have died, but that's a small price to pay for diversity.
Well, your handle is telling. Your fly is open.
@meyeraliyeh5724 Interesting how you categorize people of 'diversity'. How it 'includes' people you don't like.
@meyeraliyeh5724 lol. EVERBODY profiles, kiddo. CEO's are picked for their height, gender and color of skin. Look at the stats.
As an engineer it's actually quite hard to watch it in the industry.
So many great things could have happened, but instead those shoes were filled by a diversity hire instead of someone with merit
@@t_c5266 ...and I've seen department heads meet with nothing but elites(former cheerleaders and BMOC, with C- grade college educations) who care more about gate keeping than the diverse communities they supposedly represent. Go figure.
A Hollywood hoax
That guy looked like Jared polis
imagine if they were all women lmao
They wouldn't have had the accident in the first place? lol
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 they wouldn't have had the mission in the first place but wouldve completely destroyed each other was the correct answer lol
@@sk2790 says you, the explosives experts LOL
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 not by explosives. by being catty
@@sk2790 catty? lol, this should be good. What's your bitch?
They were real problem-solving engineers. They were better than current new engineers in many way. I understand that there are many technical aspects and variation to consider today's engineering than 60s However it is still engineer duty . If can you cannot take, like some people in Twitter, you better find other positions.
whats wrong with the people in twitter?
nonsense
@@chicken1117 every video, no matter the topic, is an opportunity to insult Twitter engineers, because he's a paid musk shill
WTF are you talking about? You don't think modern engineers could figure this out?
Hurr durr we put people on the moon in the 60's now all these entitled millennials are to busy solving climate change or some shit to go to the moon.
Also the eingeneers at twitter would probably be fine if some idiot didn't come along and said "hey I'm going to start working you like slaves, anyone who isn't ok with that will be fired" which was an idiotic move, only slightly less idiotic than actually doing just that.
The only memorable part of the movie.
What is this low fps game called
They just don't make films like this anymore
Everyone describes this as the engineers were super smart but the only thing they had to do is make a fucking adapter for a vent hole. ill bet that if you give a group of 15 year old the same dilemma you also get this adapter made....
Fake