12:00 The French didn't create the ARL-44 to replenish their army. This tank was a proof that France was still capable to produce tanks and it worked really well (not as a tank but as a proof) and it allowed France to still be a tank producer
yeah the point was to show that we could still make tanks and participate to the war effort, which was not quite over yet. if you get liberated and sit on your ass, the only thing you get is to say 'thank you'. if you fight along no matter in what state you are, you can claim to be part of the winners
You couldn't find French usage dates for the AMX-13/105 because it was an export only model, they used the AMX-13/90 and AMX-13/Harpon missile carrier.
The reason the French Army used the 90mm cannon (Model C90) was because this was rebored from the existing 75mm cannon (Model CN75-50) already installed on the vehicles. This was a much cheaper option than fitting a new 105mm cannon and nearly as effective. The 105mm cannon was good but only accurate out to 1,000 metres, and the 105mm Obus-G rounds were quite expensive, compared to the 90mm OCC-90-62 rounds that were nearly as effective. In regard to the AMX13/Harpon, I don't believe this went into service. Perhaps you are thinking of the AMX13/SS-11 version that was fitted with four wire guided SS-11 missiles and in fairly widespread service. The Harpon was an experimental 142mm infra-red guided missile that did not actually enter service. There were prototypes fitted with them however. I also recall some experiments with 6 HOT missles fitted at one stage, but not sure what happened to those trials. If you are interested, I found the best available source on the AMX-13 in English is "The AMX 13 Light Tank; A Complete History" by M.P. Roberinson et al. ISBN 978-1-52670-167-1.
just a quick note on the ARL-44 when it came out everyone knew it was not a good tank, but france made it mostly to keep the knowledge of making tank :)
@dominiquepois8034 Mon Dieu, la perfide Albion est décidément l'empire des consanguins, des ''Soviets'', des ''Bolcheviques'' et pourquoi pas des Judéo-bolchéviques ??? CA N'EXSITE PLUS si jamais cela a existé !!! Consanguins !!!!!
Yeah, in fact it started development before the full liberation of France, just to as you said keep knowledge and also start building some tanks as a "warm up"
Just for you to know, the ARL-44 was not intended to enter service, it was intended as a role of a TRANSITION tank, so this is why it was a low cost/fast built tank. As you say, it was meant to show that the French still had a capable, operational tank industry.
"Bunker deleter" being the formal term, lol And the quip about the captured Panthers being held together with "duct tape and a can do attitude" made me literally chuckle out loud. Great video!
The Dauphiné Panther belonged to l'escadron Besnier the only FFI armored platoon. They managed to restore 1 Tiger, 1 Panther, 12 Pz IV, 3 Stug III and 1 Jagdpanzer IV.
Thank you : your look to our productions from abroad is pertinent and lighting - at least! The AMX13 was destined to be parachuted from a Noratlas (yes we are hopefull :D ) but then would have been ... seriously too light. The Renault FT (on which Lieutnant Patton learned how to drive a tank) and the AMX13 were "commercial" successes. Tanks in general reflects the budget and tactics of each country...
I've considered France as a gray mule of the tank world ever since World of Tanks and War Thunder brought all that armor history to the forefront of pop culture. The Renault LT was THE template for tanks (hull with fully rotating turret that housed the main gun) and they've had some weird, but revolutionary designs since. However, they've just never had the opportunity to actually demonstrate them. The Char 2C is the heaviest tank ever built in the history of mankind, however France got blitzkreiged so hard that they never got an opportunity to actually use them at all. They had other decent war machines and designs that could have been refined into historical icons, had they not been the occupied theater of the bigger part of the European Allied front. So they're not weak or useless, they just haven't had an equal opportunity to actually go through the same growing pains that the UK, US, Germany, and Russia have in terms of armored vehicles. WWII was where we learned what did and didn't work with a whole lot of s*it flung at the wall and a whole lot of it not sticking. France has basically had to build of of what has been told to them, not exactly what they've learned hands on. For what they went into WWII with, it was essentially the old mentality of, "Whatever happens next will be similar to the last horrific war and we'll need trench and no-man's land crossing vehicles." Out of everything the French had before and during WWII, it was a lot of the same (design wise) and it mostly served the same purpose. They weren't able to make a whole lot of heavier tanks with Germany having stripped so many resources (human, natural, and industrial-wise) out of them, so they have a lot of small light infantry tanks from then. Had they been in better circumstances, I feel like they would have had better tanks over all.
you are wrong. France had more ganks than germany in ww2. Also, the french B1 bis was the best tank in the world when ww2 started, up until the T-34 was invented. The B1 was fast for its size, very effective, and very unkillable. The germans often had to rely on the airforce to take these down. Also, it's because of this tank that the german realized the 88mm anti air gun they had was very good against tanks, and was later fitted on the Tiger.
In WW1 the Japanese kept killing their British allies, not being able to see the difference between a Brit and a German. As a result, everyone was given Japanese kimono's, so it's pretty clear who you shoot. To come back to your comment, you seem very right to me.
@Baddy187 that reminds me of one of my first encounters with a social justice warrior, another student in a class mentioned that exact problem with US forces in Vietnam, our allies and the enemy looked alike. Everyone else moved on and a couple students were talking amongst themselves, our professor stopped and asked the angriest looking one what was going on , she said the first student was racist for saying all Asian people look alike. Dr Guo said that's not what he said all he said was that they were all Vietnamese looking and without a uniform you couldn't tell who was friends or enemies
Actually it was a lot less common than you would’ve thought during WW2. The US didn’t do it as much, we captured them then researched whatever we captured. Same with the British but they did there were units that used everything they captured because they took a lot of losses early on the war. On the eastern front the Russians and Germans had no choice but to because that’s how brutal fighting was with defined lines so any captured tanks were already repainted and well known it was theirs within the ranks. Back to the western front the Germans lol decorated a panther 1 or 2 to look like a m18 hellcat to penetrate our lines which it did but we captured it. I forget if it took a tank out or not or if we captured and used to fight back it in spite or just outright disabled it beyond repair but the Germans tried lol. Anyways you should look up the army’s HBT camouflage uniforms in 1944 and 1945. That is a friendly fire tragedy no one ever talks about ever. The 29th ID wiped out a whole platoon because they didn’t know Americans were utilizing new camouflage patterns and reacted hostile because they were used to fighting Germans wearing similar camouflage……….. cheers
During the Second World War, almost every country used enemy tanks : - French Renault R35, FCM 36, Lorraine 37L (Marder I) chassis, AMD 178s, British Matilda IIs, Russian T-34s and KV1s, US Stuart M3s and Sherman M4s by the Wehrmacht ; - Renault R35s by both Italy and Romania ; - Pz IIIs and Stug IIIs by the Red Army. Their chassis were used to create the SU76i. And a few Panthers ; - German Pz IIIs and IVs and Italian M13/40s by the British during the war in Cyrenaica...
The french never looked at envy on the israeli M-51s. Why? Because those were french made tanks. French companies modified Shermans for the bigger gun, Israel just bought those tanks.
Bringing me back to world of tank playing days. I loved the ARL-44 especially. While not good IRL, in WoT they were low enough of a Tier to be very solid against most opponents (stress the 'most')
Repurposing an anti-aircraft gun for a tank's main armament is not necessarily a bad idea; the Germans, after seeing the effectiveness of the 88mm FlaK guns as impromptu anti-tank weapons, adapted it as the 88mm KwK 43 and used it as the main armament of the Tiger 1 breakthrough tank.
@@gbear1005 You're right; the Tiger I's armament was the KwK 36 -- still a derivative of the FlaK 18/36/37 line, though, albeit restricted by the space available in the turret, which mandated a lower muzzle velocity; parts of the breech were virtually identical in design (if not scale) to the 75mm and 50mm guns already in use in tanks.
Just found out for myself that during development the 75mm SA 50s (POT-51A) penetrative benchmark was the 7.5 cm KwK 42. it makes sense that they liked it so much.
The AMX-13 weighed 14.7 tonnes. The AMX-13-105 is not a French designation. It was used by the Dutch to designate the AMX-13 Mle 1958, which featured the FL-12 turret with a 105mm gun. There was also the AMX 13 Mle 1987, which featured an even more modern gun and improved chassis but was never sold. It was just considered an obsolete platform, and those who still used the AMX 13 were not interested in upgrading it. the AMX 13 mle 1958 was introduced to the french army in 1958 by the way. the source is Chatellerault archive.
Shermans M40: Israelí or French ? ...or both. In 1953, a group of Israeli representatives visited France and inspected their new AMX-13 light tank (a tank therefore prior to the M50, and which followed the M4A4 FL-20 proof of concept, with AMX-13 turret on M4 Sherman chassis). This tank only weighed about 15 tons, but carried the powerful 75 mm CN 75-50 gun. Israel was impressed with this weapon and placed an order for 400. They soon realized that this weapon could be adapted for use in their Sherman tank stocks, greatly increasing its firepower. France helped lay the groundwork for the project by modifying a 75 mm Sherman turret to receive the CN 75-50 gun. The following year, Israel began converting its own Shermans with this guide, creating the M50 Sherman. About 300 Shermans were converted to the M50 standard between 1956 and 1964.
To my continued surprise, i keep learning things from Simon, i never thought i would learn.. Example: The turret of the ARL-44 being made from steel, taken from the Battle-cruiser (i believe it was) Please Simon, keep up the good work!
The first standard-production 76 mm gun-armed Sherman was an M4A1, accepted in January 1944, which first saw combat in July 1944 during Operation Cobra.
Your writers have some awesome analogies and euphemisms. I might have to steal the “held together with nothing more than duct tape with a ‘can do’ attitude”.
AMX also did the upgunning on israel's shermans, which caused egypt to request a similar vehicle but due to budget restrictions they had to go with the cheaper alternative of simply swapping the turret.
honestly you could have talked about the Acra cannon and it's use. a 142mm cannon that could fire fast ATGMs and also the story that the missile was so expensive that they gave it up, but I'm guessing you only did tanks that was in service and I don't know if the Acra was.
it would be interesting to mention that the Isreali shermans are sporting a French canon the photo you used for the Israeli Sherman is a M50 with the French SA50 75mm canon and not the CN105 F1, you can tell the difference b ecause of the muzzle break and overall thickness of the gun
When you said they used the Panther, I thought they captured a factory, moved it to France, and restarted production there, like they did with the Walther P-38.
French Electro/mechanical engineering, it works... However it is a bit like something fell into our laps from a parallel universe where different solutions to problems won the format war... I bet they used the Phillips Video 2000 as the audio/visual tape medium of choice opposed to VHS or Betemax!
The AMX-13 turret also had another quirky feature: It would only allow very short guys to work it... Which was a problem when the Netherlands bought it for their cavalry recce regiments! The Dutch being overall the tallest people in the world 😀. They didn't last long in the service of those tall blonde gods.
the 2C bis was not a piece of junk because of the low velocity. it was intended to have a low velocity and the velocity of the gun wasn't an issue but an advantage for bunker busting. since it was the purpose of the design, it was a good thing. the gun have a range of 2km which was more than enough for destroying any fortifications. the issue was only with the reload of the gun. which was taking a whopping 5min to load a single rounds. attempt to improve the reload was made but the turret been very high and the space been limited making it impossible to do much more. the finally decided that 75mm was good enough against bunkers.
If your ever stuck for information on tanks you should ask the tank museum Bovington what they don't know isn't worth knowing all the best we love your content tho keep up the good word si 👍
sad you didn't talk about the Panhard E.B.R., but i guess it's understandable as it is more of an armored car lol an armored car made to take advantage of a nuclear detonation on the frontline most sane French tactic i swear
If I had to choose just one French tank that was different from other nations, I would take the Renault FT tank. Apart from the tracks, it didn't look like any other tank.
It was the first tank of modern design. The actual father of almost every other tanks after that : an armoured chassis, and its main armament on an independent and 360° rotating turret. ;)
I downloaded this to watch later, but when I started playing the video it was in - "German" and not English. Any suggestions on how I change this so it plays back in English?
sorry at 3:35 ish, a "3 Pot" what did you 1st drive ?? ¿ (learned on the 1943 Willys MB ex-North Africa in profile pic; had a 3-Cylinder 2-stroke GT 380 motorcycle in college)
@krisvalenti4141 yes but I think it would have deserved a chapter for itself. I had a friend who was a Sargent commander. He said it didn't have the same punch as an Abrams, but the tech was beyond. Even stuff he was not allowed to tell me. Salut from France 🇫🇷 😉
You're completely wrong on the AMX 13/105 it was never used by the french, it was mostly an export unit, their standard AMX 13s were equipped with the later 90mm Cannon, it was basically the SA-50 bored to 90mm The AMX 30 already took the initiative to be France's standard MBT due to the falling out of the Europanzer Project due to Doctrine Requirments
The AMX-13 got some bad reviews, especially in combat, where it was deemed to fragile because of its thin Armour. And yet lightly armored vehicles with firepower were attempts to address the fragility of airborne forces in combat. Parachute and glider troops [and later helo-bourne forces] because they lacked heavy weapons in quantities sufficient to take on a well-equipped conventional motorized or armoured division. Yes, attempts were made to provide air support with ground attack aircraft, and when possible artillery from miles away could give artillery support did partly address some of the problems, but only sometimes. So attempts by the French, US, USSR, Britain etc, to produce light but hard-hitting AFV's to reduce the fragility of airborne forces was not a stupid idea in principle. In practice, it was harder to achieve, at least with the tech available in WW2 and right up to the Vietnam war. The increased effectiveness of hand-held anti-tank weapons did reduce this problem a little for airbourne forces, but since the enemy has them too, the benefits of airborne tanks were diluted by this reality.
Never mind I went and did my own research and realized my mistake. We call 4-wheelers quads where I am from so I was looking for a 4-wheeler. Not the massive truck 🤣🤣
Iv watched so many videos hosted by Simon that i have to remind myself im American living in America and thus surrounded by people that dont know British slang like chuffed
strange juxtaposition in military thinking...a Country that relies on massive and mostly technologically superior bunkers for its defence builds a bunker buster of a tank for assault
No one thinks about France as a good tank building nation because they had some of THE BEST tanks at the start of WW2, started attacking Germany, and then gave up because they thought Germany was stronger for some reason. Not long after, they get completely steamrolled, and all their designs stolen and used for German tanks.
10:50 what are you even saying ? France never abandonned the idea of light tanks being capable of fighting back against MBTs, that's why the AMX-10RC and the RCR upgrade exist. And even it's replacement the EBRC Jaguar boast 4 AKERON MP (previously MMP) *anti tank* missile... 11:55 And as numerous comment already explained, the goal of the ARL-44 NEVER was to replenish the army, it was a transitionnal tank made as a place holder to keep france knowledge and industrial capability running... I don't have the timecode but the AMX-13-105 was an EXPORT only variant, that's why you couldn't find any date relating to service entry in the french army... Man i think you should check your source thoroughly before releasing a video like this
And how dyo know about the actual hp figure for an aftermarket filter on a 15 yr old 1L 3 pot car engine? (watch Geoff buy cars??) It is (without an engine fuel inj. and timing remap) one fxck1ng horsepower. Exactly. (but it sounds faster) Maybe Simon also has Nephews.
Le char fcm 2 dont le programme et ut lancé en janvier 1918 et les six premiers furent terminé en 1920. Il n'ont donc jamais participé a la première guerre mondiale. C'est une vidéo americaine pour etre aussi ....?
Unless it was built in the Champagne region, it's just a sparkling rolling fortress
Amen!
La Marne andouille, la Marne !!!
A.O.C. Char!
12:00 The French didn't create the ARL-44 to replenish their army.
This tank was a proof that France was still capable to produce tanks and it worked really well (not as a tank but as a proof) and it allowed France to still be a tank producer
yeah the point was to show that we could still make tanks and participate to the war effort, which was not quite over yet. if you get liberated and sit on your ass, the only thing you get is to say 'thank you'. if you fight along no matter in what state you are, you can claim to be part of the winners
You couldn't find French usage dates for the AMX-13/105 because it was an export only model, they used the AMX-13/90 and AMX-13/Harpon missile carrier.
The reason the French Army used the 90mm cannon (Model C90) was because this was rebored from the existing 75mm cannon (Model CN75-50) already installed on the vehicles. This was a much cheaper option than fitting a new 105mm cannon and nearly as effective. The 105mm cannon was good but only accurate out to 1,000 metres, and the 105mm Obus-G rounds were quite expensive, compared to the 90mm OCC-90-62 rounds that were nearly as effective. In regard to the AMX13/Harpon, I don't believe this went into service. Perhaps you are thinking of the AMX13/SS-11 version that was fitted with four wire guided SS-11 missiles and in fairly widespread service. The Harpon was an experimental 142mm infra-red guided missile that did not actually enter service. There were prototypes fitted with them however. I also recall some experiments with 6 HOT missles fitted at one stage, but not sure what happened to those trials. If you are interested, I found the best available source on the AMX-13 in English is "The AMX 13 Light Tank; A Complete History" by M.P. Roberinson et al. ISBN 978-1-52670-167-1.
SS-11 andouille de rosbeef !! Harpoon est un missile antinavire amerloque ....
@@johncopeland4782
Le canon CN75/50 étant largement inspiré du 7,5-cm KwK 42, Deutch Qualitat !
just a quick note on the ARL-44 when it came out everyone knew it was not a good tank, but france made it mostly to keep the knowledge of making tank :)
Pas un bon tank !!! et ma main sur ton museau noir !! l'ARL-44 roulait déjà en France que le Pershing était encore aux USA.
Yeah and the political message, we do our own things, we don't follow the us or the soviets
@dominiquepois8034
Mon Dieu, la perfide Albion est décidément l'empire des consanguins, des ''Soviets'', des ''Bolcheviques'' et pourquoi pas des Judéo-bolchéviques ??? CA N'EXSITE PLUS si jamais cela a existé !!!
Consanguins !!!!!
Yeah, in fact it started development before the full liberation of France, just to as you said keep knowledge and also start building some tanks as a "warm up"
Yeah, they started developing the AMX M4 almost immediately in 1945 as a replacement.
Just for you to know, the ARL-44 was not intended to enter service, it was intended as a role of a TRANSITION tank, so this is why it was a low cost/fast built tank.
As you say, it was meant to show that the French still had a capable, operational tank industry.
Un char de transition , à coup de pieds dans le fion que je vais te traiter ta transition !!!
"Bunker deleter" being the formal term, lol
And the quip about the captured Panthers being held together with "duct tape and a can do attitude" made me literally chuckle out loud. Great video!
Pov gland !!! La France les a utilisé jusqu'en 1952 en service !!! Nous !!
The French have always been at the forefront of weapon development.
It seems odd that Simon didn't get WoT to sponsor the video.
Et la France continue le combat !!!
Seriously Simon. How you keep me entertained between all your channels is purely mind blowing.
What? Are you saying there's even more stuff *between* the channels? How the hell do you access that?
@@kanojo1969bot likely
I can’t keep track of the chamels, not a fkn bot.
The Dauphiné Panther belonged to l'escadron Besnier the only FFI armored platoon. They managed to restore 1 Tiger, 1 Panther, 12 Pz IV, 3 Stug III and 1 Jagdpanzer IV.
nice
"Shooty bit"!! Love that Simon!
Yep
Thank you : your look to our productions from abroad is pertinent and lighting - at least!
The AMX13 was destined to be parachuted from a Noratlas (yes we are hopefull :D ) but then would have been ... seriously too light.
The Renault FT (on which Lieutnant Patton learned how to drive a tank) and the AMX13 were "commercial" successes.
Tanks in general reflects the budget and tactics of each country...
As an French ex-military, I'm so happy to see this on your channel 🥰🥰🥰. I love our tanks 😁
If UA-cam actually focused on Bots, instead of ad-blockers... perhaps 90% of the comments wouldn't be bot comments -.-
This is something a bot would have said aswell
Yeah. How do we know you’re not a bot?
Makes you wonder if they get a cut from the ho's.
Call Deckard.
But Liam turned $5,000 into 3,000,0000,000,000 in four days for me
I've considered France as a gray mule of the tank world ever since World of Tanks and War Thunder brought all that armor history to the forefront of pop culture. The Renault LT was THE template for tanks (hull with fully rotating turret that housed the main gun) and they've had some weird, but revolutionary designs since. However, they've just never had the opportunity to actually demonstrate them. The Char 2C is the heaviest tank ever built in the history of mankind, however France got blitzkreiged so hard that they never got an opportunity to actually use them at all. They had other decent war machines and designs that could have been refined into historical icons, had they not been the occupied theater of the bigger part of the European Allied front.
So they're not weak or useless, they just haven't had an equal opportunity to actually go through the same growing pains that the UK, US, Germany, and Russia have in terms of armored vehicles. WWII was where we learned what did and didn't work with a whole lot of s*it flung at the wall and a whole lot of it not sticking. France has basically had to build of of what has been told to them, not exactly what they've learned hands on. For what they went into WWII with, it was essentially the old mentality of, "Whatever happens next will be similar to the last horrific war and we'll need trench and no-man's land crossing vehicles." Out of everything the French had before and during WWII, it was a lot of the same (design wise) and it mostly served the same purpose. They weren't able to make a whole lot of heavier tanks with Germany having stripped so many resources (human, natural, and industrial-wise) out of them, so they have a lot of small light infantry tanks from then. Had they been in better circumstances, I feel like they would have had better tanks over all.
you are wrong. France had more ganks than germany in ww2. Also, the french B1 bis was the best tank in the world when ww2 started, up until the T-34 was invented. The B1 was fast for its size, very effective, and very unkillable. The germans often had to rely on the airforce to take these down. Also, it's because of this tank that the german realized the 88mm anti air gun they had was very good against tanks, and was later fitted on the Tiger.
Using the enemies tanks while the war is ongoing sounds like the prologue to a friendly fire tragedy
In WW1 the Japanese kept killing their British allies, not being able to see the difference between a Brit and a German.
As a result, everyone was given Japanese kimono's, so it's pretty clear who you shoot.
To come back to your comment, you seem very right to me.
@Baddy187 that reminds me of one of my first encounters with a social justice warrior, another student in a class mentioned that exact problem with US forces in Vietnam, our allies and the enemy looked alike. Everyone else moved on and a couple students were talking amongst themselves, our professor stopped and asked the angriest looking one what was going on , she said the first student was racist for saying all Asian people look alike. Dr Guo said that's not what he said all he said was that they were all Vietnamese looking and without a uniform you couldn't tell who was friends or enemies
Actually it was a lot less common than you would’ve thought during WW2. The US didn’t do it as much, we captured them then researched whatever we captured. Same with the British but they did there were units that used everything they captured because they took a lot of losses early on the war. On the eastern front the Russians and Germans had no choice but to because that’s how brutal fighting was with defined lines so any captured tanks were already repainted and well known it was theirs within the ranks. Back to the western front the Germans lol decorated a panther 1 or 2 to look like a m18 hellcat to penetrate our lines which it did but we captured it. I forget if it took a tank out or not or if we captured and used to fight back it in spite or just outright disabled it beyond repair but the Germans tried lol. Anyways you should look up the army’s HBT camouflage uniforms in 1944 and 1945. That is a friendly fire tragedy no one ever talks about ever. The 29th ID wiped out a whole platoon because they didn’t know Americans were utilizing new camouflage patterns and reacted hostile because they were used to fighting Germans wearing similar camouflage……….. cheers
During the Second World War, almost every country used enemy tanks :
- French Renault R35, FCM 36, Lorraine 37L (Marder I) chassis, AMD 178s, British Matilda IIs, Russian T-34s and KV1s, US Stuart M3s and Sherman M4s by the Wehrmacht ;
- Renault R35s by both Italy and Romania ;
- Pz IIIs and Stug IIIs by the Red Army. Their chassis were used to create the SU76i. And a few Panthers ;
- German Pz IIIs and IVs and Italian M13/40s by the British during the war in Cyrenaica...
@@methodeetrigueur1164 if you play war thunder as a historian and not because it’s free to play, I’d like to link up with you.
The point of an oscillating turret is to put a big gun in a small space.
That's what she said.
And to ease reload, wether manual or with a way simpler autoloader.
The french never looked at envy on the israeli M-51s. Why? Because those were french made tanks. French companies modified Shermans for the bigger gun, Israel just bought those tanks.
The Amx-13 is my favourite tank. Now you know, for what it's worth ❤
In the Dutch army the AMX 13 was called a canon on roller skates
Bringing me back to world of tank playing days. I loved the ARL-44 especially. While not good IRL, in WoT they were low enough of a Tier to be very solid against most opponents (stress the 'most')
Best t 6 heavy easily, looks beatiful with 3 marks on the 105 barrel
Repurposing an anti-aircraft gun for a tank's main armament is not necessarily a bad idea; the Germans, after seeing the effectiveness of the 88mm FlaK guns as impromptu anti-tank weapons, adapted it as the 88mm KwK 43 and used it as the main armament of the Tiger 1 breakthrough tank.
Wrong.. the 43 was tiger II and other antitank guns. It only shared the 8.8cm projectile with the flak 36/41
@@gbear1005 You're right; the Tiger I's armament was the KwK 36 -- still a derivative of the FlaK 18/36/37 line, though, albeit restricted by the space available in the turret, which mandated a lower muzzle velocity; parts of the breech were virtually identical in design (if not scale) to the 75mm and 50mm guns already in use in tanks.
Just found out for myself that during development the 75mm SA 50s (POT-51A) penetrative benchmark was the 7.5 cm KwK 42. it makes sense that they liked it so much.
the French NEVER used the 105mm AMX-13.
It was export only. By the time it was built, the French had a 105mm armed tank, the AMX-30.
Absolutely correct. Even in its' normal configuration it was very loud, very unreliable and a complete dog!
World of Tanks has it as having a 95mm and it does good damage to even the heaviest teir 10 Tanks.
The Renault FTis the grandfather of all modern tanks.
The AMX-13 weighed 14.7 tonnes. The AMX-13-105 is not a French designation. It was used by the Dutch to designate the AMX-13 Mle 1958, which featured the FL-12 turret with a 105mm gun. There was also the AMX 13 Mle 1987, which featured an even more modern gun and improved chassis but was never sold. It was just considered an obsolete platform, and those who still used the AMX 13 were not interested in upgrading it.
the AMX 13 mle 1958 was introduced to the french army in 1958 by the way. the source is Chatellerault archive.
Shermans M40: Israelí or French ? ...or both.
In 1953, a group of Israeli representatives visited France and inspected their new AMX-13 light tank (a tank therefore prior to the M50, and which followed the M4A4 FL-20 proof of concept, with AMX-13 turret on M4 Sherman chassis). This tank only weighed about 15 tons, but carried the powerful 75 mm CN 75-50 gun.
Israel was impressed with this weapon and placed an order for 400. They soon realized that this weapon could be adapted for use in their Sherman tank stocks, greatly increasing its firepower.
France helped lay the groundwork for the project by modifying a 75 mm Sherman turret to receive the CN 75-50 gun. The following year, Israel began converting its own Shermans with this guide, creating the M50 Sherman.
About 300 Shermans were converted to the M50 standard between 1956 and 1964.
To my continued surprise, i keep learning things from Simon, i never thought i would learn.. Example: The turret of the ARL-44 being made from steel, taken from the Battle-cruiser (i believe it was)
Please Simon, keep up the good work!
"Bunker deleter" 😂 damn
Didn’t know that about the Panther, very interesting little story all in all, thank you Side Projects.
omg how did you know about early cold war French tanks! easily the best-looking armored vehicles made in real life
Simon, a video about how the French mobilized to join WW2 after liberation would be really interesting.
Please note that the Israely 75mm and 105mm are design, made, build by the French also for the Israely army
The sherman firefly was operational at the beginning of 1944, the 76mm wasn't until much later in the year
Not operational, but first fitted and tested in late 1942.
The first standard-production 76 mm gun-armed Sherman was an M4A1, accepted in January 1944, which first saw combat in July 1944 during Operation Cobra.
@@FrankJmClarke yes - I noted that it wasn't operational before the Firefly, but it did actually exist before the Firefly, just a point of interest.
0:40 - Chapter 1 - Char 2c bis
4:35 - Chapter 2 - M4A4 FL10
8:00 - Chapter 3 - AMX 13
11:25 - Chapter 4 - ARL44
15:00 - Chapter 5 - Panther
Your writers have some awesome analogies and euphemisms. I might have to steal the “held together with nothing more than duct tape with a ‘can do’ attitude”.
Wonderful historical coverage video
AMX also did the upgunning on israel's shermans, which caused egypt to request a similar vehicle but due to budget restrictions they had to go with the cheaper alternative of simply swapping the turret.
honestly you could have talked about the Acra cannon and it's use. a 142mm cannon that could fire fast ATGMs and also the story that the missile was so expensive that they gave it up, but I'm guessing you only did tanks that was in service and I don't know if the Acra was.
When I saw AMX 13 105 I was thinking Omigod the recoil! but obviously they figured that out if it lasted to 1987. If so, it's amazing.
it would be interesting to mention that the Isreali shermans are sporting a French canon
the photo you used for the Israeli Sherman is a M50 with the French SA50 75mm canon and not the CN105 F1, you can tell the difference b ecause of the muzzle break and overall thickness of the gun
13:50 - LOL 😆
When you said they used the Panther, I thought they captured a factory, moved it to France, and restarted production there, like they did with the Walther P-38.
French Electro/mechanical engineering, it works... However it is a bit like something fell into our laps from a parallel universe where different solutions to problems won the format war... I bet they used the Phillips Video 2000 as the audio/visual tape medium of choice opposed to VHS or Betemax!
The amount of silliness in the videos lately has me giggling like crazy.
The AMX-13 turret also had another quirky feature: It would only allow very short guys to work it... Which was a problem when the Netherlands bought it for their cavalry recce regiments! The Dutch being overall the tallest people in the world 😀. They didn't last long in the service of those tall blonde gods.
the 2C bis was not a piece of junk because of the low velocity. it was intended to have a low velocity and the velocity of the gun wasn't an issue but an advantage for bunker busting. since it was the purpose of the design, it was a good thing. the gun have a range of 2km which was more than enough for destroying any fortifications. the issue was only with the reload of the gun. which was taking a whopping 5min to load a single rounds. attempt to improve the reload was made but the turret been very high and the space been limited making it impossible to do much more. the finally decided that 75mm was good enough against bunkers.
Enjoyed that ta chap✌️
If your ever stuck for information on tanks you should ask the tank museum Bovington what they don't know isn't worth knowing all the best we love your content tho keep up the good word si 👍
French weapons and armor always reminds me of the stuff you see in Anime.
Good video, but you forgot the amazing amx-50/ amx-50 surbaissée/ amx-50 surblindé/ amx 50 foch.
sad you didn't talk about the Panhard E.B.R., but i guess it's understandable as it is more of an armored car lol
an armored car made to take advantage of a nuclear detonation on the frontline
most sane French tactic i swear
If I had to choose just one French tank that was different from other nations, I would take the Renault FT tank. Apart from the tracks, it didn't look like any other tank.
It was the first tank of modern design. The actual father of almost every other tanks after that : an armoured chassis, and its main armament on an independent and 360° rotating turret.
;)
With the number of interesting French tanks actually made, I feel it is a bit of a shame they included Panther in this list
As i remember from reading/ playing that tank in WoT,it's designers took an idea from the Tiger /Panther suspension??
I'd like to see some videos about the South Korean arms industry. They seem to be gearing up for the international markets.
1940 is the only date English speakers know about French history 😐🙄
*americans, the english had a rather long and complicated history with the french
No we really dont care, thats why we all left for america.
I downloaded this to watch later, but when I started playing the video it was in - "German" and not English. Any suggestions on how I change this so it plays back in English?
In settings before downloading the video set the language to english
Good angle on frontal armor.
2:20 all I can think of is an outrageously French Leman Russ Demolisher.
sorry at 3:35 ish, a "3 Pot" what did you 1st drive ?? ¿
(learned on the 1943 Willys MB ex-North Africa in profile pic;
had a 3-Cylinder 2-stroke GT 380 motorcycle in college)
We wouldn't come up with weird designs if it wasn't to solve weird problems. 🇫🇷😄
What is up with bot invasion??
Why no mention of the leclerc?
0:20 to be fair he did 'mention' it.😶
@krisvalenti4141 yes but I think it would have deserved a chapter for itself. I had a friend who was a Sargent commander. He said it didn't have the same punch as an Abrams, but the tech was beyond. Even stuff he was not allowed to tell me. Salut from France 🇫🇷 😉
Greetings Nachbar...
Im proud to have an so great Neihgbour
You're completely wrong on the AMX 13/105 it was never used by the french, it was mostly an export unit, their standard AMX 13s were equipped with the later 90mm Cannon, it was basically the SA-50 bored to 90mm
The AMX 30 already took the initiative to be France's standard MBT due to the falling out of the Europanzer Project due to Doctrine Requirments
@10:11 Did you check the Warthunder forums?
I believe Israeli Sharman in that pick was a Sa50 sherman not a m51
Tanks to all !
La vidéo est très sympathique. Cependant, l'IA de traduction a encore des progrès a faire.
And what about the TOG 1 and 2, aren't they looking a bit weird ?
Ty.
The AMX-13 got some bad reviews, especially in combat, where it was deemed to fragile because of its thin Armour. And yet lightly armored vehicles with firepower were attempts to address the fragility of airborne forces in combat. Parachute and glider troops [and later helo-bourne forces] because they lacked heavy weapons in quantities sufficient to take on a well-equipped conventional motorized or armoured division.
Yes, attempts were made to provide air support with ground attack aircraft, and when possible artillery from miles away could give artillery support did partly address some of the problems, but only sometimes.
So attempts by the French, US, USSR, Britain etc, to produce light but hard-hitting AFV's to reduce the fragility of airborne forces was not a stupid idea in principle. In practice, it was harder to achieve, at least with the tech available in WW2 and right up to the Vietnam war.
The increased effectiveness of hand-held anti-tank weapons did reduce this problem a little for airbourne forces, but since the enemy has them too, the benefits of airborne tanks were diluted by this reality.
I wonder if that old turret is still on the bunker in tunisia.?
I really like the style of your presentation as much as the content. I follow your various channels and watch everything you do.
JT from downunder.
Simon says....I listen.
If Simon says anything, it's "make another channel" 😂
ARL looked cool
What's a Quad doing at 1:24?
I seen no quad?
Never mind I went and did my own research and realized my mistake. We call 4-wheelers quads where I am from so I was looking for a 4-wheeler. Not the massive truck 🤣🤣
Iv watched so many videos hosted by Simon that i have to remind myself im American living in America and thus surrounded by people that dont know British slang like chuffed
Now the question is which is the most "Diffrent" tank builder the French or the Swedes?.
'After Hitler so kindly redecorated the fuhrer bunker with his gray matter in 1945' lmao 😅 15:15
The 2C was not deployed during WW1
Nobody said that
@sandwitch2969 0:54
There is nothing wrong with being "different", frankly. It's all about employing those different ideas properly.
Can get some vintage tanks practically unused.
0:37 Char 2C, not C2.
I wonder why France didn't build their own Panthers. After all, didn't they work in German factories?
When a high school student says your buff, just think of her as a liar
was expecting to at least see the elc family but nope
strange juxtaposition in military thinking...a Country that relies on massive and mostly technologically superior bunkers for its defence builds a bunker buster of a tank for assault
2:19 Ah, fantasies... 😂
"Shooty bit"... that's an industry term.
No one thinks about France as a good tank building nation because they had some of THE BEST tanks at the start of WW2, started attacking Germany, and then gave up because they thought Germany was stronger for some reason. Not long after, they get completely steamrolled, and all their designs stolen and used for German tanks.
I'm guessing by what you're saying the real story is the French could build a tank but they didn't know the taxes to win with a tank
10:50 what are you even saying ? France never abandonned the idea of light tanks being capable of fighting back against MBTs, that's why the AMX-10RC and the RCR upgrade exist.
And even it's replacement the EBRC Jaguar boast 4 AKERON MP (previously MMP) *anti tank* missile...
11:55 And as numerous comment already explained, the goal of the ARL-44 NEVER was to replenish the army, it was a transitionnal tank made as a place holder to keep france knowledge and industrial capability running...
I don't have the timecode but the AMX-13-105 was an EXPORT only variant, that's why you couldn't find any date relating to service entry in the french army...
Man i think you should check your source thoroughly before releasing a video like this
And how dyo know about the actual hp figure for an aftermarket filter on a 15 yr old 1L 3 pot car engine? (watch Geoff buy cars??)
It is (without an engine fuel inj. and timing remap) one fxck1ng horsepower. Exactly.
(but it sounds faster) Maybe Simon also has Nephews.
Dear France, tanks for the memories!
Invece di farci vedere quasi continuamente il presentatore con la voce automatica, era meglio dare più spazio alle immagini
You don't pronounce the T in sabot, bud.
Sabotage is a French word, ironically.
@unionsquaregrassman True enough.
Canada 🇨🇦 too...
@@unionsquaregrassmanit comes from sabot/clog. Industrial revolution loom breaking by slinging your clog into the machinery.
I was in 1st Tank Bn, 1st Marine Division from '94 to '98...and we pronounced the "T" in sabot. You say tomato, I say tomater, it's all good.
One careful owner
Le char fcm 2 dont le programme et ut lancé en janvier 1918 et les six premiers furent terminé en 1920. Il n'ont donc jamais participé a la première guerre mondiale.
C'est une vidéo americaine pour etre aussi ....?
As a War Thunder, for fun, player I approve this list 😂