Very brave of you to share this story. That must have been terrifying. I am actually being trained in psychedelic assisted therapy (officially, not underground) and iboga is hardcore. It sounds like it was not the right choice of medicine and that the therapists did not manage the situation well.
If a molecule makes you suffer nightmares for 30 hours but then gives you 6 months of reduced anxiety and fixes your sleep then in my book that is a great tradeoff
@@astroNexx I get your point but I personally would get MDMA for his type of anxiety - it is just a symptom anyway and given he alluded to some family trauma stuff I would be looking at complex PTSD and for that reason I would have gone with MDMA, perhaps ketamine or LSD. For a person suffering from anxiety, a paranoid psychosis (it did not sound like a nightmare) can be pretty traumatising. He seems to be coping well and like he Integrated it somehow but I personally think another trauma on top of existing problems is difficult. My two cents.
I hate that big corporations will lead Bitcoin narratives. So for us, “pre black rock bitcoiners”, I encourage to keep focussing in what makes Bitcoin great and it’s not the ESG framework.
What an amazing episode! I normally snooze through the intros, but this one was incredible. Looks like we all need to start getting our ducks in a row for the hyperbitcoinization that we were all hoping for, but didn’t have strong conviction that it would ever happen.
Wow, a very vulnerable, honest and personal account to listen to, not sugar coated at all. Pity about the set and setting and shame Tuur got to act out his psychological pathologies so much but sounded as if he came through that and got massive benefit. Iboga only for the most brave souls, I know three days sitting with that medicine not uncommon, exhausting. A friend of mine did it and said he was stuck on a slave rowing boat for six hours, the Iboga spirit would not let him off until he learnt the lesson, a task master of a teacher. Ayahuasca is bad enough, can be six hours of hell that feels like it never ends but I can attest to the positive outcomes and even though in the middle of it at the time I swear I will never drink it again, I am always on my knees in gratitude the next day at how miraculous it is, these teacher plants are so clever, thank god for them.
many times over the last 20 years I've had family members and friends say something like "look at all the terrible things happening today, oh my god, what's wrong with the world?!" I would always say "are you sure this is real... how do you know this isnt all just the LSD hallucination of some guy rolling around on the basement floor in a pile of his own vomit?" theyd look at me like I was crazy. I could never understand why. but now BTC is changing that fiat hallucination into a truly WONDERFUL trip. It's kind of like how it only takes my 10 minutes to walk to the bar but it takes at least 45 minutes to get back.... The difference is Staggering I love you guys. Two slick ass pimps. Tuur you're also a beast, keep killin it homie
What Bitcoin Did is by far the best Bitcoin and I would argue Macro economics show on the Internet. I'd be happy to be wrong because I'm gonna loooove the one you found 😊
It is, it's titled "How to Position for the Bitcoin Boom - Tuur Demeester | Adamant Research" here's the link: unchained.com/how-to-position-bitcoin-boom Here's the link to the full show notes (you have to click the link in the video description) www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/from-psychedelics-to-the-bitcoin-boom
Wow, thanks for recounting that experience. It's wild how archetypal the alien figure is with psychedelic experiences. I've had several experiences with mushrooms. The vibe was definitely different for the most part, although similar with the feeling that the drug acts as a flare basically putting a spotlight on you, isolating you for the aliens. I always got the feeling that they were peering in on me through some inter-dimensional veil...
I wish there was more discussion on the problematic aspects of the retreat center. Was it simply the fact that there was anxiety in the air over their financial position? I am currently training to be a facilitator in this space and I would be really curious to hear more about this. It does not sound like they were abjectly negligent, and they seemed to handle the fallout well, at least in terms of the CEO personally taking responsibility in keeping an eye in Tuur, but I think this aspect of the story could have been more thoroughly explored, and is an important piece to understand for people curious about both facilitating and participating in these treatments.
You basically didnt take enough. You couldnt breakthrough and were stuck in the "game" dimension, which can become a nightmare as its basically just psychosis. "A second sign of Third Bardo existence are experiences of panic, torture and persecution. They are distinguished from the wrathful visions fo the Second Bardo in that they definitely seem to involve the person's own "skin− encapsulated ego." Mind−controlling manipulative figures and demons of hideous aspects may be hallucinated. The form that these torturing demons take will depend on the person's cultural background. Where Tibetans saw demons and beasts of prey, a Westerner may see impersonal machinery grinding, or depersonalizing and controlling devices of different futuristic varieties. Visions of world destruction, dying in space−fiction modes, and hallucinations of being engulfed by destructive powers will likewise come; and sounds of the mind−controlling apparatus, of the "combine's fog machinery," of the gears which move the scenery of the puppet show, of angry overflowing seas, and of the roaring fire and of fierce winds springing up, and of mocking laughter."
Everyone escapes reality every day, multiple times per day, it's called human cognition. Our brains unconsciously bend our perception of reality to meet our desires or expectations. And they fill in gaps using our past experiences. This has been a known fact in neuroscience for a very long time.
It does kind of sound like a generic psych trip, not too different from LSD. An experienced tripper wouldnt need to talk for 45 minutes about how crazy it was. Its just drugs.
Tuur Demeester is great here ! Mg. Gox - 2010, early start... coinbase/bistamp 2011/2012 only, then 2013-2014 was fun, 2016 segwit huh... wow - answer about Quantum Computer exist in wiki, it's not a danger for Bitcoin, more for banks. Bitcoin - is addresses is hash from public key. quantum computers is dangerous against exactly public-key cryptography and allow to recover private key sometimes... for bitcoin that's not gonna help much, wallet is hash, hash is non-reversible even for QC. I can answer on this in time more.
Psychedelics and bitcoin. My favourite subjects ever..
For real! Glad to see more people see their symbiotic potential! 🙏
Yep, same here.
I'm 48mins in and this is the best what is bitcoin podcast yet.
Sorry Tuur the alien technology bit has me laughing my ass off 😂 it sounds like some paranoid trips I’ve had for sure
Why is it that Tuur always sounds like the most honest and genuine guy you've ever met?
coz hes belgian, all belgians sound like that.
Very brave of you to share this story. That must have been terrifying. I am actually being trained in psychedelic assisted therapy (officially, not underground) and iboga is hardcore. It sounds like it was not the right choice of medicine and that the therapists did not manage the situation well.
If a molecule makes you suffer nightmares for 30 hours but then gives you 6 months of reduced anxiety and fixes your sleep then in my book that is a great tradeoff
@@astroNexx I get your point but I personally would get MDMA for his type of anxiety - it is just a symptom anyway and given he alluded to some family trauma stuff I would be looking at complex PTSD and for that reason I would have gone with MDMA, perhaps ketamine or LSD. For a person suffering from anxiety, a paranoid psychosis (it did not sound like a nightmare) can be pretty traumatising. He seems to be coping well and like he Integrated it somehow but I personally think another trauma on top of existing problems is difficult. My two cents.
@@h.a.s.42Where are you trained? Are there any clinics that are allowed to treat with MDMA?
Tuur’s story was enthralling. Great show!
Having done ayahuasca and had a similar experience- may I just say thank you for caring for yourself and putting yourself through what you did
The bitcoin bit starts at 1hr17.00 ish
Hair cut 2000!!! lol You look much better Peter. great video thanks guys :)
Great episode. Thanks for sharing your story. Will definitely read the report!!
I hate that big corporations will lead Bitcoin narratives. So for us, “pre black rock bitcoiners”, I encourage to keep focussing in what makes Bitcoin great and it’s not the ESG framework.
Absolutely agree. They can go to hell with the etf
Very interesting. Thanks Tur and Peter and Danny. I found Tur’s report and will read it.
Wow. What an experience. I hope this will help Tuur in the long run. Good luck man.
Mind expanding episode(couldn"t resist)!
What an amazing episode! I normally snooze through the intros, but this one was incredible.
Looks like we all need to start getting our ducks in a row for the hyperbitcoinization that we were all hoping for, but didn’t have strong conviction that it would ever happen.
Wow, a very vulnerable, honest and personal account to listen to, not sugar coated at all. Pity about the set and setting and shame Tuur got to act out his psychological pathologies so much but sounded as if he came through that and got massive benefit.
Iboga only for the most brave souls, I know three days sitting with that medicine not uncommon, exhausting. A friend of mine did it and said he was stuck on a slave rowing boat for six hours, the Iboga spirit would not let him off until he learnt the lesson, a task master of a teacher.
Ayahuasca is bad enough, can be six hours of hell that feels like it never ends but I can attest to the positive outcomes and even though in the middle of it at the time I swear I will never drink it again, I am always on my knees in gratitude the next day at how miraculous it is, these teacher plants are so clever, thank god for them.
many times over the last 20 years I've had family members and friends say something like "look at all the terrible things happening today, oh my god, what's wrong with the world?!" I would always say "are you sure this is real... how do you know this isnt all just the LSD hallucination of some guy rolling around on the basement floor in a pile of his own vomit?" theyd look at me like I was crazy. I could never understand why. but now BTC is changing that fiat hallucination into a truly WONDERFUL trip. It's kind of like how it only takes my 10 minutes to walk to the bar but it takes at least 45 minutes to get back.... The difference is Staggering
I love you guys. Two slick ass pimps. Tuur you're also a beast, keep killin it homie
Thanks for your honesty, Tuur. Powerful episode.
What a great build-up, fantastic story! more Tuur please!
What a intro and what a story! great it helped you Tuur. great podcast guys
This one is one of the best conversations !!!
What Bitcoin Did is by far the best Bitcoin and I would argue Macro economics show on the Internet. I'd be happy to be wrong because I'm gonna loooove the one you found 😊
Great episode!
Tuur’s article is not linked in the show notes?
It is, it's titled "How to Position for the Bitcoin Boom - Tuur Demeester | Adamant Research"
here's the link:
unchained.com/how-to-position-bitcoin-boom
Here's the link to the full show notes (you have to click the link in the video description)
www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/from-psychedelics-to-the-bitcoin-boom
So inspiring and honest! 🙏
My most stupid move was buying more gold in 2013 alongside bitcoin instead of selling all my gold and silver and going all in on BTC.
Hindsight is 2020. I did the same and it was a rational decision at the time.
You did your best.
@@MrReconjonagree
Wow, thanks for recounting that experience. It's wild how archetypal the alien figure is with psychedelic experiences. I've had several experiences with mushrooms. The vibe was definitely different for the most part, although similar with the feeling that the drug acts as a flare basically putting a spotlight on you, isolating you for the aliens. I always got the feeling that they were peering in on me through some inter-dimensional veil...
I wish there was more discussion on the problematic aspects of the retreat center. Was it simply the fact that there was anxiety in the air over their financial position? I am currently training to be a facilitator in this space and I would be really curious to hear more about this. It does not sound like they were abjectly negligent, and they seemed to handle the fallout well, at least in terms of the CEO personally taking responsibility in keeping an eye in Tuur, but I think this aspect of the story could have been more thoroughly explored, and is an important piece to understand for people curious about both facilitating and participating in these treatments.
Wowie the first 1.25 hrs of this is bonkers!!! scared me straight!
Where do we find his new writing?
on his twitter
Fascinating. Also not really surprising this happens to a Bitcoin maxi. I would expect a similar reaction in other maxis too
Great pod, and brave Tuur. Bitcoin is ibogaine for Fiat zombies
I believe MSTR now holds 152800 BTC….but doesn’t change your point :-)
Great show!
Tuur D meister strikes again!
LEGENDARY
Dany has to be on the right side of the frame so we can always check out his left wrist and see his latest watch acquisition. Great taste Dany!
Very little discussion of football. Happy with that!
Some consideration of the gut microbiome with respect to anxiety and sleep might be useful
Absolutely. Gut health is the first thing that helped me to get back from a very dark health -wise place.
W Comment. Stop eating seed oils
Nice, here is my next Call of Cthulhu scenario.
Tuur is a beast 🫠
What a story!
interesting guy. smart
Looking slick with that haircut, Pete.
Peter. Please an interview with FractalEncrypt.
The Europeans that first took it were explorers. Colonists are a bigger group that stayed. Those guys just traveled and explored
Hair looks great
12:46 bro, switch your bedding to linen. Everything linen and your sleep will dramatically improve
It sounds more like bro, stop scrolling 😂
You basically didnt take enough. You couldnt breakthrough and were stuck in the "game" dimension, which can become a nightmare as its basically just psychosis.
"A second sign of Third Bardo existence are experiences of panic, torture and persecution. They are distinguished
from the wrathful visions fo the Second Bardo in that they definitely seem to involve the person's own "skin−
encapsulated ego." Mind−controlling manipulative figures and demons of hideous aspects may be hallucinated.
The form that these torturing demons take will depend on the person's cultural background. Where Tibetans saw
demons and beasts of prey, a Westerner may see impersonal machinery grinding, or depersonalizing and
controlling devices of different futuristic varieties. Visions of world destruction, dying in space−fiction modes,
and hallucinations of being engulfed by destructive powers will likewise come; and sounds of the
mind−controlling apparatus, of the "combine's fog machinery," of the gears which move the scenery of the
puppet show, of angry overflowing seas, and of the roaring fire and of fierce winds springing up, and of
mocking laughter."
Sounds fun
@@LD-rh3wo when you look back from safety, its interesting. If you prepare well you can stay in the light of the First Bardo
How do you know this
@@astroNexxhe’s a wizard
What's the name of the psychedelic?
Ibogaine 👍
come have a DMT trip here with us in Canada.
Do tell...
Cypherpunks Unite!!
Pls invite Rizzo again
Peter saying the halving was luck.. I'm sorry what?!
Hi
Tuur needs to LIFT if he wants to sleep.
Tuur isn't sure if he had his passport with him but actually took the flight at the end ? Something is not adding up in that Story 😉
The man who accused a podcast (freedomain radio) as this the source of all his troubles... Now we know the core issue ...
Looking good, Peter. Short hair are much better for you
Bring Charlie Lee on
"bring Bitcoin to the world" 7 transactions per second at a time...
Tour Deemster ;)
Just exercise and eat well. What a joke. First world problem / solution if I ever heard one.
Dat hair
👽 invasion….man’s onto to gov attack on bitcoin maybe….😂
Imagine if everybody wanted to escape reality. What a shit world that would be.
Everyone escapes reality every day, multiple times per day, it's called human cognition.
Our brains unconsciously bend our perception of reality to meet our desires or expectations. And they fill in gaps using our past experiences. This has been a known fact in neuroscience for a very long time.
Imagine if everyone had the courage to face their demons through psychadelics. What a world that would be.
It does kind of sound like a generic psych trip, not too different from LSD. An experienced tripper wouldnt need to talk for 45 minutes about how crazy it was. Its just drugs.
and wrong setting.
Tuur Demeester is great here !
Mg. Gox - 2010, early start... coinbase/bistamp 2011/2012 only, then 2013-2014 was fun, 2016 segwit huh...
wow - answer about Quantum Computer exist in wiki, it's not a danger for Bitcoin, more for banks.
Bitcoin - is addresses is hash from public key.
quantum computers is dangerous against exactly public-key cryptography and allow to recover private key sometimes... for bitcoin that's not gonna help much, wallet is hash, hash is non-reversible even for QC.
I can answer on this in time more.
Note to self... Never do ibogaine. 😹😹
Why not? He did say that his trip was extreme but even in his case the benefits seem to outweigh 30 hours of nightmares
@@astroNexx but the part he escaped the clinic can be really dangerous.