Review of the Colt M45A1 Marine Corps Pistol
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I love my 1911, but mainly for nostalgia value. Your criticisms of it for modern military use are all valid.
Agreed....to say otherwise is simply delusional or a lie.
I agree with both of you. I'll certainly still get a 1911 someday for the tradition and beauty of that gun.
I too love my 1911, but Chris's evaluation of this platform is correct. If going to war, I'm choosing a M-1 Abrams, a M-16, and a Glock in that specific order.
Hey, they still have a great trigger, even if this is not relevant for the military, for the civilian market it sure is.
@@user-pq4by2rq9y Indeed it does. I wished they made more triggers like on the 1911 on polymer pistols.
I love the 57 Chevy but I wouldn’t want to be driving it in today’s traffic in Los Angeles during rush hour .
My Opinion .
@Rusty Shackleford and have an easier time hitting him with the Prius. I've driven a 56 Chevy and it's remarkable how vague the handling is.
@Rusty Shackleford if you are only running someone over, prius(9mm will do just fine. while being much more agile(recoil
Very good analogy.
what? you don't ant to be stuck in a crawling pace with no AC and crank windows, and stick shift transmission? lol
@@GunFunZS That's because it had a worm gear steering system, instead of a rack and pinion, like modern cars. Worm gear steering gives greater mechanical advantage, which is why it was preferred in the days before power steering was universal on cars (and is still preferred on heavy duty trucks), but it doesn't give you the precise feel that rack and pinion does, and there's even a small "dead" space in the center. Watch someone driving one of those old cars, and you'll notice constant, minute course corrections they have to make to keep the car going straight, all thanks to that dead space.
I’ve killed my cell phone battery two times today watching your videos. Such a great channel
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aaron rothe yea me too. I also came twice.
Glad you’re re-uploading all of these. Really annoyed you lost all your subs, but you’ll get back up there, the quality of the channel is without parallel on youtube.
Spread the word that he's back, but with the username of SmallArmsSolutions on other YT gun-channels that look like they talk about the history of guns.
I was thinking if someone who sees this has the dough to be one of forgotten weapons patreon supporters, maybe they could drop ian a line next time he does a q and a. He gave Chris a shoutout before for being a good channel. Plus he seems like the kind of guy who’d be willing to do a quick ‘hey guys just fyi this guy got screwed over by youtube but now he’s back so if its your thing give him a sub’ that kind of thing. Pretty sure these guys had the channel up to around the 40k mark before they got shut down. I’m sure there’s a lot of people out there who just unsubbed when the channel went down and havent thought to check back.
Oh so that's what happened lol. I saw one of his new video's, and I was like. Why did I unsub Chris?
What happened to the channel?
Fuckk Face UA-cam took it down.
I was issued the M45a1 and M9a1. Everyone in my unit exclusively used the M45a1 not because of tradition, but rather because it was leaps and bounds better than the M9 in every way except for capacity. Every single one of us scored significantly better with the 1911 on drills, so it was a no-brainer to carry them. I use compact glocks and M&Ps for my personal carry weapons, but in a combat role the full sized 1911 is still legitimately a great weapon choice.
Hey, i didnt know you guys were allowed to pick and choose weapons, thats interesting. I never would have thought you would have had an option.
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@@killervztwogaming5796cap than a mug, as they say.
@@brightpri6692 He was not allowed to pick and choose. He said his unit exclusively used m1911a1 so he had to use it too. It was explained that the Marines had it issued.
@MavHunter20XX first off this is 2 years old, and secondly I was referring to him having 2 options. He was issued both, and was able to pick and choose from the two.
The MEUSOC 45 was a custom built 45 built by USMC Precision Weapons in Quantico in the late 80s for 2nd Force Recon on the GI frames the rest of Marine Corps deadlined when they switched to Beretta 92F. The original MEUSOCs had Ithaca or Springfield slides. The USMC Pistol team sent their best couple armorers to service our pistols every few months and keep them match accurate. I shot hundreds of thousands of rounds in almost 8 years in 2nd Force Recon without issues in 3 different MEUSOC pistols. I carried one all over the Middle East and parts of Africa. They were unbelievably match accurate “rattle battle” guns that were used in wicked conditions and we inserted from the ocean often. They were durable and reliable. The M45 was made for DET 1 all Force Recon guys who would become MARSOC after being stood down and stood back up by Socom. Unlike civilians who like making shit up off of what they hear or read third hand we do not consider pistols to be an efficient weapon. They are a secondary weapon and although we master them things have really got to go to shit in a raid or CQB situation before we go to a pistol and usually in a weapons retention posture. We work fast hopefully supported by a teammate to get our primary back in fight and pistol back in holster. The 45 ACP round was desired over 9mm for obvious reasons. People will walk through 9mm rounds in cases where a 45 will put them down broken. If you can’t get the job done after transitioning to your secondary 45 with 7 Wilson combat mags of 45 to work with you suck. No one in the Force Recon I served in or the kids I’ve worked with today suck. The 45 is a deadly formidable weapon in their hands even today in a transition event. That’s 50 rounds of 45 ACP to deal with any in close gunfight situation and we muscle memory reloads under high stress continually. In fact the M45 is still carried by both MARSOC and Force Recon Units which contradicts your Statements. If you hate the 45 that’s your opinion but I don’t think you need to be speaking for us the operators who carried it and still carry it. It’s a man eater and if properly trained with and configured properly as fine as any combat handgun in circulation today.
I'm a great advocate for cocked-and-locked carry, yet despite disagreeing with you your opinion commands so much respect. You need more subs.
safety-off and pulling of a sa shot should be faster then da
When I was in Afghanistan a lot of guy in group had 1911’s shit they even had a few M79’s. So after being in the QRF team room for a few weeks I asked why. They said it works. One guy had a double stacked Para and they joked and said he is new school
I have never heard anybody say, Yeah I hit the terrorist in the chest and that .45 caliber bullet out of my old not tactically cool anymore 1911. I have heard several vets in mu running club say that about the 9mm. Now they are using FMJ and not modern JHP like law enforcement and civilians carry so lets keep this in mind. 9mm with JHP is nothing to sneeze at but if I were restricted to military ammo its 45 in a 1911 all the way for me. IMHO.
jh j BTW the US only signed about half the Geneva Convention, we are not restricted on ammunition types, with the new Sig M17/18 they are issuing certain troops hollow points. Also we never agreed to the whole no flame thrower’s thing
@@dksdg So if some GIs were punching holes in the enemy with hollow points would they get in trouble? Maybe they would because it wasn't the "issues" ammo?
@@Joe_Friday From what I found out, the Hague convention only applies for members who signed it, which terrorist groups did not. Furthermore, America did not ratify declaration IV, which bans expanding ammo. The army even selected hollowpoint ammo as the new M1153 9mm, so if troops get it, they can start blasting.
The reason we kept using FMJ over HPs in military pistols was a matter of reliability. FMJs are proven to be more reliable on feed ramps worn down from use.
We’ve stuck with the 1911 platform because it’s an amazing platform with an excellent cartridge. I love my glocks, my sigs my berettas but I would still take my 1911 over them all.
Do you stand on your guns?
"Military personnel carrying side arms, how often are they used in battle? The answer is, very seldom."
- Paul Harrell
But they better work when they are needed because it is often their last line of defense
- Chris Bartocci
Personally I love the 1911, it's one of my favorite handguns right up there with the various single action revolvers. But, would I pick a 1911 to take to war? Probably not as there are plenty of better choices. Would I insist others take them to war? Hell no.The 1911 is a great piece of history and it says a lot that it is still somewhat viable over a hundred years later. But it's only somewhat viable. There are countless better and more reliable handguns out there.
@Brian Ross It is very complex compared to more modern options. Complex is not good in a combat situation. For target shooting it does not matter. As a COMBAT pistol the 1911 is outdated. I love the 1911 but it is a old design that is far more complex than it needs to be
@Brian Ross Go look at the parts list and then go look at a more modern handgun parts list.
@Brian Ross Glock, 37 parts
1911, 52.
@Brian Ross If we were talking about anything other than combat use I would agree. However we are talking about combat use, where they are not going to be as well cared for. In those situations the less parts the better. Also think of the logistics for the armory.
Brian Ross, it is not subjective preference to say a machine with more moving parts is “more complex” than a similar machine with fewer moving parts. It’s also not subjective preference to call it various forms of “old.” In the total history of automatic weaponry, it’s nearly prehistoric. To say otherwise is to dismiss all of the technological advances in the last 108 years as arbitrary “preferences.”
I love 1911’s as much as the next guy. I’m in the middle of sprucing mine up a bit. Just shot it with my son yesterday, with my 8-year-old daughter joining in. But I’m not so emotionally attached to it as to call it “modern” or “just as good as” everything new. If I ever “carry” it, it’ll be in a nice repro 1916 leather GI holster, for nostalgia.
You don't like the M1911 and you don't like the M-14? Why? Because you have common sense, logic, supporting empirical data, and you eliminate typical bias and tradition from your reviews. That's why your reviews the best. There's nothing you've said that history hasn't proven to be correct.
@Brian Ross really? I've been issued multiple M14s including an EBR and I hated it. After my last deployment carrying one I came home and sold my M1A and all my accessories. Never going that route again.
The 1911 is outdated for military use. Just like the Mauser rifles are, but both are still outstanding weapons.
Brian Ross a match grade M14 takes quite a bit if highly skilled labor to produce and excessive ongoing maintenance to stay that way. Contrast that with an AR15 or AR10 pattern rifle that a monkey can assemble from a pile of parts. And they will stay accurate until the barrel is shot out. You don’t have to skim bed them every few thousand rounds. If they get dirty you can fully strip them and not worry about damaging the bedding in the stock. You also don’t have the half assed scope mount screwed to the side of the receiver to worry about.
I think the M14 is a great rifle, partly because I really like the Garand. It just isn’t a great service rifle and it never should have been adopted by the military. It was obsolete before the first M14 was ever issued. Think about the fact that if the Generals would have left Garand alone we basically would have had something similar to a BM59 chambered in .276 Pederson for our standard rifle way back in 1937. By the late 1950’s the M14 was the wrong rifle in the wrong caliber.
Brian Ross But it wasn’t designed as a DMR. It was designed as a standard service rifle and jumped on the assault rifle revolution without understanding it all while kowtowing to the demands of the old coots in the Ordnance Corps who hated innovation and evolution. The rest of the world was adopting the AK-47, FAL, G3, and EM-2 and the U.S. decided to adopt a magazine fed weaker M1 Garand with select fire then bullied NATO into following us.
The 1911 isn’t outdated enough. Military should adopt the 1851 Colt Walker. Slightly less capacity than a 1911 but real stopping power. They can put a pic rail for lights and lasers on the loading lever. Mount a red dot on the barrel. Interchangeable back straps. And front serrations on the barrel for tactical press checks.
I'd argue the 2011 platform is a leap forward for 1911 style weapons.
I own multiple STI'S and have had a reliable, extremely accurate and high capacity weapon system.
The whole muh stopping power is mute with modern ammunition
For me, as someone who doesn’t go into combat, I love the 1911. I’ve found it very easy to shoot, and honestly I was a lot better with a 1911 than I was a Glock 22 or 23.
However, before I get roasted alive, were I going to war, I’d be using the H&K USP .45.
Though for my own personal use, the 1911 is thinner, more balanced, and for me easier to shoot.
I agree with a lot of what you said! The 1911 is my favorite pistol, but it’s not the best pistol in the world, especially not for modern military use. It needs more capacity.
I personally think you should take the HK 45T over the HK USP (.45 ACP). It’s a superior combat handgun. It basically a general improvement over the HK USP. The same thing goes for the HK P30 for 9mm and .40 S&W when using those calibers.
@Abe Froman
What kind of handgun would you go into combat with?
Abe Froman
A fifth-generation Glock is a solid pick, for certain. But a SIG P226 TacOps with a 20-round extended magazine, E2 grip, threaded barrel and an optic-ready slide would be my go to metal frame, hammer fired handgun, that or the Beretta M9A3. But the CZ P-10 F with a 21-round extended magazine, threaded barrel and an optic-ready slide would be my go to polymer frame striker-fired handgun. Now if I wanted to use a .45 ACP round, I would use the HK 45T or the FN FNX-45 Tactical.
Abe Froman
Wait, which one? I listed off like five different handguns.
@Abe Froman
Fair enough, I personally don't view them as being "tricked out". I just want to make them modular, so I can trick them out when I need to.
With 10 rounds mags, capacity is not bad at all in 45acp.
Both 45 and 9 are pretty docile rounds, especially for big guys.
45 has more energy for cycling, 9mm is better against barriers.
A high quality 1911, series 70, is IMO a good choice with dedicated shooters and proper maintenance.
Nice channel.
Alot of valid points but from my understanding the m45a1 was only used by special operators which as you know shoot a hell of alot more than the average Marine. I dont think very many people use a 1911 to provide cover fire that was a bit of a stretch.
Love hearing your perspective. You should do a video on the Springfield professional 1911 the FBI adopted a while back.
The Colt CEO put his old rank on the gun? What an absolute tool.
I have no choice but to love the 1911. First off , I learned to shoot on this platform. It's the main pistol I've shot for 40 years. Second , I've got small hands and it fits like a glove. Third, every other plastic pistol I've picked up has a bad grip angle, (with the exception of the Sig P320 X compact. That all being said , my Colt is for nostolgia and my Sig is for defense.
I carry a 1911 every day by CCW. I like that it does the job, and it is easily concealable with the thin single stack frame. Which ironically is coming back into vogue because of states adopting no permit CCW. I'm 6'2. The length is not an issue. I also like the external safety, even though it is redundant. I have bought 2, and I bought both without the "80 series" firing pin block.
I agree I have all 3, a Colt Government , Colt Commander and Officers Model. I have carried them off and on for 25 years in every kind of climate you can image. Montana gets cold -50 at times, to 90 in the summer, never once have they failed. I carry them hunting , CCW and open carry they are a great pistol.
I won't be buying one of these. Maybe the Scorpion Emporer if I was ever to get another.
Just like 556 arguments, it doesn’t matter how powerful or not it is if you don’t make good hits
So stopping power does exist in 45.
While it's true that modern 9mm hp loads have become proven manstoppers, they still don't equal modern .45acp hp. And, with fmj military loads as mandated by the Geneva convention, there is no comparison.
The only thing the modern polymer guns have over the 1911 is capacity. Military handguns are SHTF backup guns, capacity only matters with rifles. They are no more reliable and not as accurate. I can put every round from a 1911 in a 3x5 card at 25 meters with zero malfunctions except bad ammunition, and I can usually do it at 50 meters. The only modern design that I can compare that with is my P226, which sucks with fmj.
Sean Hazelwood actually the ban on hollow point ammunition was due to The Hague conventions of which the US was not a signatory.
@@STM1066 But, we always followed it due to us always following NATO. Probably more due to standardization of ammunition than "fairness".
@Aiden Hunter We have always observed the conditions of the Hague Convention, mainly out of respect to NATO.
I'd like to see you do a history of the USMC 1911A1. The USMC built their own 1911A1 for a long time until the parts were depleted, they sourced parts from different vendors to keep the 1911A1 going until the M45A1 came along.
"Mk 23 Crew Served Pistol" *snorfl*
I'm impartial to the 1911. I'm still going to add the m45a1 to my collection as I was In marines 2001-2009. And I do have my cz 75b.
I love my 1911 in .22. Holds 10 rounds with an optional 14 round magazine modified follower. Light recoil and very accurate. Perfect!
And it’s cheap to shoot. Just like the 45 ACP version I wouldn’t trust my life to it. But I love shooting it.
Most parts on a 1911 have to be hand fitted. Done properly, a 1911 can be extremely reliable. For a civilian comfortable shooting a 45 and using a thumb safety (i.e. proper training and recurring practice), a modern “properly done” 1911 is perfectly fine for EDC.
The reason the parts require hand fitting is because early 20th century manufacturing tolerances were just that loose. That’s the same reason they are a poor candidate for mass production and distribution as a modern service sidearm - too much additional work needs to be done and/or parts need to be redesigned to tighter tolerances (leading to other issues). All of that is before we even take into consideration simplified training, more “idiot-proofing,” easier manual of arms, and military requirements for higher capacity magazines. You explained all of that very well and objectively.
I prefer single actions and my EDC is a 1911 (or variant), but I recognize others have different priorities for their EDC and the military (and LE) have very different requirements for a handgun.
Another example is the Colt Python. The Python is beautiful, reliable, and fine for civilian self defense, but every one was finished by skilled craftsmen who hand fitted parts for each gun. I wouldn’t suggest the military or a LE agency adopt them, even if possible.
not all USMC marked ones were issued to the corp, the civilian models were marked like that at the beginning until the marines threw a shitfit
While in the USAF, we were issued 6 shot .38 revolvers. So, for me the 1911 was a step up. Now, I carry a 2022 or m9a1. Your video is spot on, thanks again for all the info.
The revolver was issued until 1992. After they issued m9 pistols not 1911s.
@@mrhellotherehowareu1384 I was in from 1974 to 1978. 22SPS March AFB, Riverside, Ca.
My take is if you are down to pistol, you are pretty screw
I have talked to many of the guys who are ex-military and civilians who have shot the 1911 and prefer the M-9 Beretta and Sig Sauers P220 to it. However, all of the criticisms they gave to me were dismissed by many vets from WWII and Korea, which includes my late father who served in both wars, that were issued a weapon. They loved the weapon and preferred it over the two I mentioned above. One man, who had been a Marine Sgt. in Korea, showed me how accurate the weapon can be in the right hands. Also all preferred the heavy knockdown power of the .45
As a late 60's veteran, I never cared for the 1911, but I do have Ruger's SR1911 CDR just because. However, I'll take my Sig P227 any day, and is perhaps my most favorite pistol in any caliber, and in second place would be my Beretta 92FS modified custom carry by Wilson.
Agree in almost everything in this vid except ........... I wonder how the 1911 had frame cracks ? . Shot them for 50 years and never heard of that (steel guns) . And something weird , I carry a Glock 30-S because its light but , I shoot slightly better with a 1911. I have found the same thing to be true with new shooters as well. They find the 1911 easier in accuracy dept than my Glock . I guess its because its heavier , and , of course , has a much better trigger.
The 1911 was designed over 100 years ago and yes it’s outdated. Because of technology the newer high capacity pistols are needed for today’s battlefield. But Chris you gotta look at the facts. No other weapon besides the browning 50 cal has been in service this long. I have 3 1911 pistols and never had a problem with them. Now the beretta is a good gun but if the military wouldn’t even consider the beretta 92A3 that tells you something!
The replacement of the pistol was never considered a priority until the NATO standardization of the 9x19mm caliber. Also keep in mind the last M1911A1 shipments were in the late 1950’s. I would not expect you to have issues with commercial 1911’s under range conditions.
The 2011 I believe changed the ammo capacity issue.
Exacerbated the reliability issue though, and are even more wildly expensive.
@@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop At least not in my case. My old STI Tactical 5.0 45ACP. Has always been reliable for me. Can't talk about anybody else's experience. But in my experience very reliable andl tac driver accurate.
@@cctrans29 I will have to take your word for it. I've ran into a few folks who told me that they maybe have one magazine that works out of four or so. I can't speak for the newer STI/Staccato stuff.
@@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop I agree with you. The mags it came with were trash. I replaced all of them with the new Gen II magazines from Dawson performance. And no complaints with those. They were pricey. But worth every penny.
@@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop Larry Vickers has a little podcast presentation on the 2011 and he brings up the reliability issues on the earlier 2011 models by STI at least, but he does mention that they've been improved over time. USMS SOG and the LAPD's Metro division (which includes SWAT) have adopted a form of STI so I'm sure it's a good platform now
The 1911 is very similar to our old ships.
Were they great? Yes.
Were they the latest and greatest of their time? Yes.
Were they better than what our enemy had? Yes, for a while.
Is it time to move on? Yes.
I love a 1911 as much as the next guy. But if you asked me 1911 or USP45, that's a no brainer.
And if you asked Glock or USP, I'm going with a 9mm Glock.
Great video that sums up the 1911. It's served us well. It gave us the Browning action that damn near every handgun today is founded upon. A user that cut their teeth on a 1911 could essentially run anything out there. Is it a good carry option for civilians? Yes. Are there better options? Yes. It's been improved upon and it is a classic that will never be forgotten and I'd argue it will be made for at least another 50 years. Well done sir.
When it comes to running the 10 ring and “A” zone at the range and in competitive activity, There’s absolutely no other pistol that I’d prefer than my Les Baer. However if I were back on the job again I’d be carrying a USP .9 or USP .40. If service of high risk warrants were once again a part of my workload I’d be utilizing an HK USP.45 Elite or the FN .45 tactical. The only thing that would prevent me from using a Glock 21 is the ergonomics. The G-21 is an excellent duty weapon for those with larger hands.
I can understand your statement and your not wrong. I just want to say that although the 1911 has a really low ammo capacity, you’re not going to use your secondary as much are your primary. Policemen is a different story being that the pistol is a primary. Also I think colt might have fixed the problems of the m45a1 but I don’t know.
My Para Black Ops has 14+1 capacity, match trigger, match barrel and shoots lights out. Never had any reliability issues. I'll take that over 9mm anyday if I have to use ball ammo
I agree with you. My dad is a retired marine and the only handgun worthy of having was a1911. So you can imagine what I grew up shooting. Today for me it’s a Glock 19 or 30
As with all service pistol’s, nothing is the perfect weapon. I agree with your ‘dated’ summation of the 1911 design in modern military combat and it’s limited applications, but I’ve been to Jordan and the very competition you mentioned. There is no part of any of the pistol drills that a higher capacity pistol was the advantage. Solid hits on target was the order of the day for all its competitors in timed and structured scenarios. Decisive forward action drills, threat assessment & engagement was the paramount focus. Besides the physicality factor. To say, “that the Marines got their asses handed to them” is to infer that somehow because 9mm capacity ruled the day, makes me question if you were ever really there. I don’t recall any ‘pistol suppression drills’ in which any of the scenarios of the event consisted of any participants with an 8-10 round .45 acp magazine found themselves wishing they had 15-17 rnd 9mm magazine in its place. MARSOC or any Recon statured Marine Corps unit have a specific military functionary roles that differ from other US military specialists. The 1911 fits a niche in some of those roles. Besides, the 9mm has been part of the USMC’s MARSOC MTOE with the M9, M11’s & MP-5 SD’s since the 1990’s. To end on a positive, despite the cons going against the 1911 design, your correct on 93.45% of your other video’s & observations. Just my two cents worth. ✌️
I guess the guy in the video just has to make up stuff to fit his narrative
All the guns you showed owes it's existence to the 1911 thank you John Browning, it's the only pistol that has not changed in over 100 years and yet you get haters that want to knock it down because it didn't hold 14 rounds well they make a double stack if that's your issue or become a better shot and you won't have to shoot so many times... all modern day pistols of their existence to the 1911 the blowback and on and on and on
I love my 1911. I never go shooting without it. However it is strictly a range gun for me. It’s not my carry gun nor is it a shit hits the fan gun for me.
For 45 combat handgun, I really wish the FN FNX 45 Tactical would get adopted. 15+1 capacity, ability to use suppressor, MRDS and WML, DA/SA with manual safety. Super mild recoil impulse. It could be something special
Force was also there and also won the comp with the MEUSOC 1911..
Ha he ain’t gonna tell us that
.... People are forgetting that it’s ability to be subdued in salt water for hours... and fire consistently upon leaving the ocean... is probably one of the big reasons Recon Marines carry it. It survived damage testing many other handguns just didn’t. It’s durability makes it a wartime sidearm....
Yep, it had to be the "tradition". Since the FBI agents shot Dillinger and baby face Nelson with the .45 1911, therefore the FBI HRT adopted the Springfield Armory 1911 professional, and later, issued to the regional FBI SWAT units.
Maybe they should still be driving Model T Fords! Those are the cars they drove to go after the gangsters to!
@@SmallArmsSolutions LOL, all jokes aside, I'd like to see the history of the Remington M24 and Remington M40 rifles on your channel. I know, I know, they don't have the sexy picatinny rail and fancy scope, but they have shaped the modern sniper tactic of today. It'd be interesting to see how our military and Remington put such rifles together and kept them in service for decades.
I wish the civilian version of the M-45 was not over priced so badly, i would love to own one. 1911's are fun to shoot and super accurate too, but a nice one costs way too much $$ in todays market with all the other options out there. for the cost of the M-45 they(military) could have went with either the USP or FNX 45's and had both a superior round and good capacity combined instead of just another 9mm.
I picked up a 1911 Colt Combat Unit rail gun a couple years back and absolutely love it. I consider it a cheaper version of the M45A1. Excellent shooter, very accurate and very smooth. I can deal with the weight, but being rounds limited is an issue. I’d rather take my Glock 45 (19X). Even if I had a Sig 227, I’d still take the glock over it bc of the weight of the mags, round capacity, and availability of the 9mm over 45.
USP will also handle 45 super without any modifications. Mine cycles it reliably and no signs of wear.
Subscribed! When I was in the military we didn't have any other choices. There were no Glocks or other high capacity pistols that there are today. The old 1911 was the Cadillac of small arms back in those days and we were glad to have them. I do however know when a military weapon has seen it's better days on the battlefield and today there are so many different great handguns that are on the market to choose from. How the 1911 could still be considered a modern battlefield weapon is beyond me. I would have to choose the Sig or Glock over all other handguns today. I have quite a few old original military arms and even some older lever action rifles that are still just as functional as they were when they were in everyday use. If you were in the old west there would be nothing better than having a lever action Winchester or Marlin along with a six gun of the same caliber and I have two such pairs of weapons that still function and shoot as well as they did back in 1873 and 1887. Been shooting and hunting all my life. My first deer rifle was an M-1 carbine with a 20 round magazine. It is still being used today. Guns will outlast their owners and you can give them to your sons to hand them down to theirs. That is what my family does and will continue to do. Now that is tradition.
For a go to war firearm, the 1911 is a huge no-go. Too heavy, not enough firepower, etc. The 1911 needs to be babied. Something the military will not do....is take care of it. For civilian life the 1911 is great for EDC. I carry a 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 and serves me well.
I personally prefer the M1911, but I'm not gonna bash anyone who doesn't like them. As he said, there's a reason why there's so many options for us to choose from. I personally like the M1911 for the history and because it's the pistol I shoot best with and is the most comfortable for me. I understand the Glock has a LOT of pros over the M1911, but I personally prefer the M1911. No big deal. 🤷♂️
I have several Glocks and I carry a sig 1911 tacops carry (8+1).That gun I would trust with my life. I’m confident in my well placed shots from the 1911, so capacity doesn’t bother me.
Delta Force continued using the 1911 platform into the 2000s, including STI 2011s in .40
I’m a 1911 man also, but in a combat zone I would go for more rounds preferably 45 but 9 would be excepted if I had only the 1911 and I 9 to choose from I would go with more rounds, I think it makes better sense shot placement makes the big difference and more rounds.
I am a 1911 guy and Im pretty good at 20 meters but these were some cold hard facts man.. Im gonna pick up the 92fs this weekend.
Definitely a fair assessment.. I am a 1911 guy however i do understand its weaknesses .. My 1911s are for fun. For work I go with my HK. Glad to see your channel is back..
1911 are like a 57 Chevy parked in the garage, look cool & fun for Sunday drives... Use a Camry for daily driving.
The GWOT has shown its ineffectiveness, which is exactly what Travis Haley said in his legendary takedown of the 1911.
And by takedown, he said the mission dictated which pistol he took. A straight assault he grabbed the 1911 every time. Long term out in the field he took a Glock 19. I say this as someone that owns neither handgun but has experience with both. If he knew there was a chance he would actually have to use a pistol in between mag changes, he grabbed the 1911. If he had to go out where there was no spare parts, he grabbed the G19.
As has been commented on elsewhere, the 1911 trigger is so good that it in fact does break the rule that you can't buy something to make you a better shooter, because that trigger will in fact do that. The way it points, the way it's balanced, you get into a rhythm with it that cannot be matched. It actually gives your ego a false impression of how good you are.
All that said, it's a finicky little high maintenace bitch of a pistol. It's more vulnerable to sand, mud, etc. It likes to eat it's own small parts. .45 ball is always going to be better than 9mm ball, but the US military is no longer issuing ball ammo for pistols because it sucks compared to commercially available hollowpoints, which 9mm make oogles of sense.
The 1911 still dominates pistol competition, or should I say the STI 2011, and that seems the best place for it. I do agree that buying these from Colt was basically corporate welfare and never should have happened.
All that said, I HATE the Glock grip, but have no intention of ever buying a 1911. I might make one someday as a CNC project, but I'll never buy one.
"dominates" seems a bit exagerate. 2017 IPSC World Championship Standard Division had been won by Eric Grauffel (Tanfoglio Limited) ahead of Robert Vogel (Glock 35). Christine Burkhalter (Tanfoglio Limited) won the female Standard division.
Tanfoglio Stock II took the first and third place in Product division.
Open division had been won by Jorge Ballestreros (SVI Infinity) ahead of Simon Racaza (Tanfoglio Gold Team). In 2014 the winner was Max Michel, with SIG. Grauffel, with Tanfoglio, won the previous five editions.
You tore this thing apart lol. I love the design and I think it’s a great piece of history. However there’s better in the market, there is other choices that carry twice the ammunition and twice the reliability.
Just bought one NIB off a buddy, I have the IonBond version, No MIM, basically the same one the USMC was issued w/o the USMC markings. Wasn't really in the market for it, but I picked it up at a great bargain price with a few extras. Haven't shot it yet but I will next week.
A fact about guns are that all guns are the same and are used for one thing to kill. No one can make a bullet that is non lethal. Pistols, shotguns, rifles, and machine guns do one thing and they are good at it.
I love the 1911, however, I will admit ammo count is limited for a 40oz gun. I love the 45, I grew up with it. But the 9mm gives so many advantages. If I am carrying a bigger round than the 9mm I carry my Glock 29 in 10mm. I have a Glock 36 in 45 6+1 and it is the same dimensions as my 15+1 Glock 19. For comparison the Glock 21 holds 13+1 and is a lot bigger than the 19. When considering all the gear a to oz 1911 with around 8+1 is very limited.
Tell that to Sargent York. The 1911 is popular because of how good the pistol is.
Sure was, back in Sgt York’s day!
When Sgt York was alive, everyone was using weapons from the same era.
If Sgt York was revived with black magic, he should probably be given modern equipment to fight in modern conditions.
I love the 1911 and carry one, but I understand the low capacity, and heavier recoil. If your use to that and are well trained with the pistol it's not an issue. But I do understand that shooters that don't have a lot of experience or newly trained shooters would pick up a high capacity 9mm pistol and have greater secess with it. I have always liked the beretta m9 because it's like the European version of the 1911. I'm not a huge fan of a 9mm but I do want a beretta m9 and that's the only 9mm I'd ever own.
Well 9mm double stack 1911s wouldn't be a bad choice for military applications
The military weapon choices right now are wierd.
The US military should have just gone service wide with the Glock 9mm and be done with it
Unfortunately the army's biggest short coming is the fact that they are heavy on tradition, to the point where it takes away any reasonable and logical thinking on selecting gear. But eventually they bump their heads enough and move to better suited products. Even the UK forces did away with their Browning HP's in 2013 and replaced them with Glock 17's (shows you the UK army has the same thinking as the US army concerning tradition).
They have way better options then glocks, im sorry glocks are overated
M45 is awesome. Putting rounds where is counts, no jams and easy to clean. Worked great for the guys in WW1, WW2....Korea, Nam, Storm, .....and still keeps on going......I wonder why that is.
I too love the 1911 and often carry one. However, my primary is either a P6 (225A1) or 229. I will also pack a J frame model 60 on occasion.
I've been going full hipster this winter. CZ SP 01 tactical. Once it gets warmer Shield 9mm.
This is a hard pill to swallow. It is how medicine to make you better is. I will still carry my SR1911, because it is IWB and easy to conceal. And I am not in the military.
I hear a lot of People protesting and agreeing to this video. I can agree that the 1911 is kinda obsolete and that it isn’t really a gun for today but you can do modifications with it and make it double stack and if you don’t like 45 then change it to 9mm. I just don’t like the fact that he in a way says it’s god awful, it’s not and still in use just not like it was before. Glocks, m9s and all those other pistols being used are great and good pistol but if a person wants a 1911 to trust then don’t judge him that’s his decision alone and he trust’s it with his life literally and you can’t do anything to change that. Either way any gun will do for combat.
Do the math 3 or 4 rounds of 9mm to stop a threat compared to 1 or 2 for 45 and it evens out and cocked and locked has never been an issue if you are willing to train and practice with you side arm.
Easier to hit with lower recoil 9mm.
I love 1911's but I will admit I can not argue with your rationale on them.
Yeah I had a sweet pea shoot a 22 mag against my 45 1911 and he has a 6 inch grouping at 25 yards with some rounds off paper and i had a 1/2 grouping all rounds on paper so idk sir it also comes down to the shooter i find my 1911 very easy to shoot and very accurate
Mk23 crew served pistol lmao
I took that comment seriously for a minute. Lol It really is a pretty big rig though! Sheesh lol
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Most everyone I knew in the mid 80's when the military was going through the process of selecting a new side arm, seemed everyone was crazy about the Beretta. So naturally I looked else where and I was hooked the moment I picked up the Sig Sauer P-226, bought my first one in 87 and its remained my preferred side arm. Like most enthusiast I've owned several different makes and models over the years and I have a obligatory custom 1911, it's a really good range gun. But I agree with your assessment and the 226 fits very well.
With ball ammunition the 45 is far superior to the 9 mm.
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I like the 1911 for target shooting but as a combat handgun it is way too complex. I hate the way Glock feels but it is a better combat pistol.
You don’t have to compromise. Buy an Hk
Honestly I feel the same way. The 1911 feels great in my hands, and Glocks just don't do it for me. I'm also extremely accurate with 1911's, but not so much with Glocks. My brother let me shoot his Glock 43X, and my grouping was terrible at first. He told me a few tips on it and it did help tremendously for sure, but still. The 1911 reigns supreme for me. I understand it has drawbacks in modern times, but it's still my favorite gun. Maybe with time I could get used to a Glock, but the 1911 will always be my favorite. Plus, the 1911 is as American as baseball and apple pie. 😂
@@TexasHellcat1836 Yeah , those Glocks do tend to be pointed at the sky when you raise them into sight. 1911's just seem to point more natural.
I would pick the 1911 over the M9A1 without a doubt. The only draw back for the 1911 is the magazine capacity.
There are more. Better shot placement, reduced recoil, safer to carry loaded and M9 is more reliable. Vastly higher mean rounds between failures.
First semi-auto I ever purchased was a 1911, still have a soft spot for that gun. However, I trust my life on my Glocks and a Sig 229 in 40 S&W.
There's a reason why the CZ75 is the second most cloned handgun in the world! (Well and also because the Czech government didn't officially declassified the patents for the handgun on their end at their gov office, and so it didn't get the same patent protections that it should have gotten, because 'classified' patents in that country didn't get the same protections as ones that were publicly announced and made available, but still it's because it's a really great gun :p. There were tons of other handguns that people could have focused on cloning, but they CZ75 was just such a great advancement for such a reasonable price. They really got that thing down to a science.
I have a CZ 75 P-01 (no Omega trigger) and at first I really didn't like it, until I realized there was some dried up gunk in the area of the trigger mechanisms. And then since cleaning that out, it's been a really really excellent firearm. Zero malfunctions, super durable finish, really heavy but smooth trigger (can easily lighten it up for $30). I definitely prefer it to my M1911A1 Clone
Video just been done on the CZ75B
We used 1911s in Force Recon for many years, pistols put together with parts from colt, Remington, Springfield Armory, put together by Marine armorers in Quantico ; they used match barrels Wilson combat sights,triggers, hammers, pachmyr grips and those pistols were Great, SEALS used to shoot Browning High Powers in 9mm, then they switched to the HK 45 acp,those pistols were as big as Dirty Harrys 44 mag, obviously they didn’t use them for to long,
Any tools are as GOOD as the user. I have 45ACP’s that have seen combat time with me and was able to keep them. Bought a P 14.45 that has seen combat time as well with me as well as my M92 and P226, P220
and they all got my A## back to the world so I love my 45ACP
Sine Pari
30 years carrying a 1911. I have no problems with protecting my life with it. If I were in the military and knowingly heading into harms way I would want my Glock 21.
I used to work with a guy who was in the Marines amd he agreed with me when I posited that you don't buy a 1911 in today's world for its strengths as a carry option; you buy it for the nostalgia.
When you say “easier to shoot” around the 4:35 mark and referring to the Glock; I can’t help but wonder what you mean by that. I love the 1911. I have a few. Admittedly, I don’t carry one regularly given the limited ammo capacity. But ever since I decided I wasn’t going to carry one, I’ve been on the search for a handgun that gives me the same confidence in accuracy. I shoot a lot. Every Sunday with a group of guys. At the end of training we go back to 100 meters and shoot at a half size silhouette. With one of my 1911’s I can hit it almost every time, and with some pretty decent speed. I’ve purchased two Glocks, one m&p and one CZ in my quest for a new platform. The CZ (p-09) is the only one that comes close. I’m guessing because it’s also hammer fired. So that’s what I carry now. Striker fired triggers suck. Even aftermarket triggers pale in comparison. So, “easier to shoot” I think should include “accurately”. And in that case, I would strongly disagree. Now if I could only pull the trigger on a 2011. However, the grips just don’t feel the same. Until then I’ll be carrying the p-09 and in the back of my mind wondering if I should have just stuck to the 1911.
Historically we’re told for self defense we’ll likely be fighting inside of 7 yards. But in the day of active shooters; I’d really like to have a handgun I’m comfortable at ranges with, say in a shopping mall parking lot.
Yes, I want my cake and I want to eat it too!
The 1911 is no longer a viable military sidearm I will give you that. But I still like them and for CCW, home defense, and general fun I still think they are hard to beat (for me I shoot them very well)
I think ammo has come so far in the 9mm. The military can't take advantage of the leaps and bounds ammo makers have made in hollow point ammunition and that's a shame, but I can so the decision as to carry a 9mm or 45 acp is made much easier for me. So, I carry a .357 SIG.
I'm glad you mentioned that as it is the issue
Love the 357 Sig. Got hooked with a Glock 22/357 BarSto and 2 Sig 239s.
I love the 1911 for nostalgic purposes, and it just feels good in my hand. It's nice to see the origin of what we have today. Great video.
I'm a 1911 guy but I also realize that yes there are better platforms out there for our men and women to carry. I'm not carrying one any longer as a combat Marine but for personal protection and target shooting. The 1911 suites my philosophy of use but if I was to got back into combat I'd probably prefer the HK USP 45 for my sidearm.
Jeff Gurwitch has a really informative video on the 1911 during the GWOT. Maybe one day you guys could collaborate?
I understand that I am way late to this party, but I think a good analogy is M14 and M4. The 1911 is the hand gun equivalent of the M14 and HK and Beretta and the equivalent of the M4. I think most agree that the M4 is a better combat rifle in 90% of situations.
Best ww2 pistol Browning Hi-Power. Followed by P38, P08 Luger and M1911a1.
Need more details on the difference in various markings, finish changes, civilian sale differences, returned and sold sales, serial # ect please
Fair and honest video.
I love them all but carry the Sig-P229R
WB-USMC-0311 Ret.
Very fair, thorough and accurate analysis. You are 100% right in my opinion. I am a 1911 guy, and a Colt Single Action guy and a Smith & Wesson revolver guy. For CIVILIAN self defense use, or concealed carry, nothing wrong with a 1911, a Colt Single Action, or a S&W Model 10. Hell I've even carried Uberti replica Cap&Ball replica Colt 1851 .36's & 1860 .44's and Remington Army .44's. ALL, properly loaded will effectively handle practically any civilian self defense situation. ( Yes, IF I personally load the C&B revolvers, the guns are every bit as reliable and effective as any modern weapon. BUT I have slicked and cleaned the replica actions, replaced the nipples, etc, to equal original Colts/Remingtons, and are far above out-of-the-box quality). When the capacity issue is raised on the C&B revolvers, saying , "Just carry two like Hickok did" always gets a laugh, but no one ever argues against the solution. For MILITARY use, all of these handguns had their day, but are now outdated, no question. For civilian use, all are still useable and effective, although more modern options are available. With proper tactics, NO weapon is ever obsolete. I guarantee that a loaded and capped Colt 1860 .44, cocked and pointing 6 one-half ounce conical bullets directly at you, will NOT look obsolete.
U are 100 percent correct. As a Wilson combat 1911 carrier and lover of the platform I realize that we must keep up with the times. I'm not gonna bash,but I still can't believe that the choice of the Sig p320 over the glock was not cost. Motivated. I know Sig makes a fine gun, but that choice was not one of those best. Thanks for the informative vidios.
I've owned 2 .45 caliber pistols in my life. A Kimber 1911 and a S&W M&P .45. The M&P is one of the best shooting guns I've ever owned. I sold the 1911. I understand why people like 1911's but not for combat and not for CCW. Too heavy and too few rounds.
If we want to keep the 1911, needs two changes made to it, and both are related to eachother.
1: Safety and usability features that are considered standard nowadays.
2: The caliber it chambers must be practical in a double stack, high capacity magazine of at least 12 rounds. Likely 9mm but the USP has shown that you can have 12 shots of .45 ACP.
Personally, i love the 1911 and i think its more than just mere nostalgia that has kept it going for so long, but honestly we ought to adopt something else. My vote? Just adopt the USP .45. You keep the .45 ACP, but also gain a 12 round magazine over the 7 rounds of the 1911 and M45A1. Its a perfect compromise between tradition and practicality.
The 9mm would be superior in a military setting if soldiers were allowed to carry hollow point ammunition; however, when hobbled with full metal jacket type ammo in use for anti-personnel, the 45ACP is superior as a "man stopper." I believe that to be the real reason for adopting this pistol. Although many people would have liked to see a more modern design be implemented than the 1911 style of handgun.
GLOCK 21SF is my duty gun 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
There are plenty of high capacity 1911's on the market. I love the 1911 and I can dump mags pretty fast. I carry a 45ACP because they don't make a 50. The 1911 is made to be carried cocked and locked and that is the safest way to carry it. That is why it has a grip safety. I have a 1911 made in 1916 with all it's original parts in it and it still shoots just fine.
Are you referring to the 2011 type of 1911's? They are typically polymer framed competition guns and when properly and consistently maintained a great competition gun but dont properly and consistantly it and its a jam-o-matic