1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not get to know God through its wisdom, God was pleased through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing. 26 For you see his calling of you, brothers, that there are not many wise in a fleshly way, not many powerful, not many of noble birth, 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the insignificant things of the world and the things looked down on, the things that are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 so that no one might boast in the sight of God. 30 But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom, 31 so that it may be just as it is written: “The one who boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.”
Let's go Crash a JW Cart! Lol! Some people just like to grumble! John 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered...46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Malachi 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another. John 6:44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to me. 46 Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father. 47 Most truly I say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life.
How can you be so silly as to think that you have the 'truth'? Where is your evidence? JWs prove their faith and conviction by studying the Bible - they publicly declare their faith and Bible teaching - Acts 20:20 and Romans 10:10 JWs worldwide have established over 118,000 congregations in some 239 lands preaching the "good news of God's kingdom" in hundreds of languages, fulfilling a remarkable bible prophecy found at Matthew 24:14 and Mark 13:10 What are you doing to demonstrate that you have the 'truth' and that it's better than what JWs have?
I was not aware that they conflated Jesus and Michael the arch angel. Reasons/speculations for this aside, it makes more sense why they wouldn't celebrate holidays of Christmas and Easter- in the religious sense, both are Jesus -centric and if He is not God, then why celebrate (of course, that's just MY speculation and I could be wrong). Good to see you back Darth Magog!
@@Chris_Sheridan good point, but also a tall order. Reading the Bible is not difficult- I own a NIV version (66 books, although I know some chuches have more books in the old testament) and have read the whole book. STUDYING the Bible is a different matter entirely, and would require looking though older texts/translations, having knowledge of actual historical events going on in tandem to the stories described, and while I'm sure a mentor to help with some questions isn't necessary, it certainly wouldn't hurt. This also would require a large time commitment that I simply do not have at this moment, but I'm sure it would be quite the exercise and experience
@@titangirl161 .. re: 'large time commitment' - this is exactly why Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian organization that are fully dedicated to preaching the "good news of the kingdom" in all the inhabited earth as Jesus commanded. - Matthew 24:14 and Mark 13:10 Also, Matthew 28:19 & 20 Only Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill the requirements of 1 Corinthians 1:10 and Hebrews 10:25 (in addition to the above)
I am laughing a little bit at the “come join our church” and then “buy the Tuddle Twins US history edition” that played at the end. I feel like they advertisers don’t really understand the demographic here
Great seeing you Magog, I was beginning to worry about you since there haven't been any videos lately. In regard to the cart crash video, I feel it was a bit hypocritical of him to say JW's pick and choose their scriptures when that's a very common practice with many Christian churches. I find it interesting that the pastor asserts JW's don't know the word of God but he does! He is ultimately being a more aggressive version of the JW's by cart crashing them to prophesize that his version of the faith is correct. I think you were too kind to him.
@@archivalblob56 .. FYI - the theme of the Bible is harmonious all the way through from Genesis to Revelation. You won't have the overall understanding if you only pick a few verses here and there. In their weekly meetings, JWs consider every book of the bible and how it contributes to the overall theme of God's purpose. This can be easily verified by attending meetings of JWs - bible education is free at every Kingdom Hall.
@@Chris_Sheridan it does not. The bible is written by numerous authors over centuries for different audiences. It repeatedly disagrees with itself. What groups like Jehovah's Witnesses do is they read the bible with a unifying framework that isn't actually in the Bible. The Bible is then made to agree by prioritising certain passages over other, letting the one passage determine what the other can say. By doing a lot of these mental gymnastics the contradictions are explained away, regardless of if the explanation is probable or makes sense as long as it doesn't seem impossible (an incredibly low bar). In all of this the Bible is subordinated to the unifying framework and the dogmas of the group using it. The bible is not allowed to speak on its own terms.
So apparently the governing body has recently changed their stance on beards and mustaches. I think Telltale talked about it when it happened, and I was wondering if you planned to cover it, too.
I started my beard a year too early and now suddenly when I run into someone from my old hall they think it's really cool that I have a beard and want to discuss beard maintenance.
It is hard trying to explain to people that persecution or debates won't convince JWs... You could bring them historical accounts of what Christians in the 1st age believed and show them it doesn't fit their theology at all and that still wouldn't work. I hope one day we can learn how to explain to people that nothing is that simple...
Honestly I've found soft activism seems to work better. Getting a genuine conversation going just requires a bit of kindness, empathy and genuine curiosity. I think it was... I wanna say Matt Delahunty that said "Keep asking "why" and eventually you'll get to the core."
@@DarthMagog im putting together my CSA experience in the Jws. Their response and treatment of me. My families response and finally the debacle of the Australian redress scheme.
Stuff like cart crashing isn't really to change minds; it's to reinforce the beliefs of those who do them. If this was a real debate, there'd be a mediator, time for the Witnesses to prepare as well as Pastor Lorenzo, and generally equal treatment. No, this was an exercise in treating someone as incorrect, and thus, worthy of scorn.
Yeah I certainly would prefer a proper mediator and a proper debate. It's just so hard to get members of these High Control groups to meet even in a neutral setting 😪
The witnesses are "prepared," that's why they are there, for interaction with the public, and to share their "religion" and find new members for their dwindling cult.
@@mattmurdock2868 .. the success of public preaching precludes JWs from being defined as a 'cult' - they are legalized worldwide in some 239 lands where they are allowed to peacefully practice their faith and give witness in public exactly as taught in the Bible. Name a government that legalizes 'cults' by definition. Do you have a dictionary? Is English your first language?
Hey Darth!!! Great seeing you again ❤️. Where is your partner? We like him too. Great video and look forward more videos as you continue to " Watch The Watchtower "...😂..
Learning that the archangel Micheal was supposed to be Jesus 20 years after I left the religion really goes to show my dad was right. I really didn't pay attention at the meetings
I really hate when people think that assumption equals fact. I like this format of determining what is truly fact versus outright assumption. Well done, Darth Magog!
The Dark Side is the path to many abilities that the Witnesses would call, unnatural. Critical thinking is the specific ability lol. Glad you liked it Alpha ☺
The only thing Russell and his Bible students have in common with Rutherford and his jehovah's witnesses is the watchtower magazine. But completely different religions.
I worry that videos like Pastor Lorenzo's do more harm than good. Aside from being little more than an ego-stroking exercise for the people doing the cart crashing, in the end it just reinforces the idea that outsiders are aggressive and condescending. These cart crashers are feeding into the narrative that the higher-ups have drilled into their victims. Many cult survivors, not just ex-JWs, have talked about how these types of encounters helped drive them deeper into the cult. Smug superiority isn't how you help people. Kindness and compassion are.
The rank and file are the BIGGEST problem. They are the foot soldiers, recruiting new members. They are the ones who fund the machine, build the halls and give them to the org. It's the members who hide predators in their midst, refuse to call cops to protect children. The rank and file ARE the organization. Shame on every one of them.
So in most branches of Christianity there is no limit on how many people are saved and go to Heaven. Branches differ on how one is saved (predetermined, faith, acts, mix of both). JW are very much in the minority of secs that have a limit. Additionally many secs don’t believe in a new Earth. I know SDAs and JWs do but I am not aware of any other mainstream secs that do. Presumably that’s where the pastor’s confusion comes from.
I have seen jw carts in Raleigh, during the summer. I feel bad for the witnesses who had to stand out in the hot NC sun, during the summer, and, during a heat wave, no less - I think that it even got to the triple digits, that week. Plus, they were right next to fun places, like the North Carolina Museum of Natural Science, the North Carolina Museum of History, and even a state park.
A lot of nonsense was added after Russell. Not relying him of any responsibility, but it is unfair to attribute all oddities of the religion to the founder.
@@DarthMagog I would say that Russell introduced most of the strangest doctrinal ideas. Numerology, measuring pyramids, symbology etc... While Rutherfod was primarily responsible for introducing the high control practices. He loved power. And I strongly doubt either one of them would be happy to see what it's evolved into today.
Lol no, actually it was because of a hostile takeover of the cult/corporation. The 2nd president hated the founder and wanted to erase him. I'll have to do a video on it one of these days.
It would be nice if there was a proper sit down for these things instead of "cart crashes." Wouldn't mind a free exchange of ideas, but Witnesses won't go for that.
1881 + 153 = 2034 John 21:9 When they came ashore, they saw there a charcoal fire with fish lying on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them: “Bring some of the fish you just now caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went on board and hauled the net ashore full of big fish, 153 of them.
Jesus does choose who rules with him in his Kingdom. John 13:6 Then he came to Simon Peter. He said to him: “Lord, are you washing my feet?” 7 Jesus answered him: “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will understand after these things.” 8 Peter said to him: “You will certainly never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him: “Unless I wash you, you have no share with me.” After Jesus was resurrected, these sealed ones were told to feed his sheep. The faithful slave. Matthew 24:45-47 John 21:17 He said to him a third time: “Simon son of John, do you have affection for me?” Peter became grieved that he asked him the third time: “Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you are aware of all things; you know that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him: “Feed my little sheep.18 Most truly I say to you, when you were younger, you used to clothe yourself and walk about where you wanted. But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and another man will clothe you and carry you where you do not wish.” 19 He said this to indicate by what sort of death he would glorify God. After he said this, he said to him: “Continue following me.” 20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, the one who at the evening meal had also leaned back on his chest and said: “Lord, who is the one betraying you?” 21 So when he caught sight of him, Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” 23 So the saying went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but he said: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?” The Apostle Peter and Paul was writing letters to the congregations before the Gospels were ever written. By about 70 AD they were executed and Jerusalem was destroyed. As long as the Apostle John was alive they believed Jesus was returning. But about 25 or 30 years later, John received Revelation for the congregations. John probably was the Q source for the Gospels because he was an eyewitness to all about 70 AD.
The Harlot Clinging to Jesus! My Lord and God! Christendom Clinging to Jesus! Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! Psalm 22:22 I will declare your name to my brothers; In the midst of the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear Jehovah, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him! Stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel. Does God have brother's. The resurrected Jesus has brothers! After Jesus' resurrection. Jesus words proves there is a God and Father in heaven. John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” Christ Brothers! Luke 22:28 “However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
When we say Amen we honor Jesus and The Father. We pray to Jehovah in Jesus name Amen. Almighty God had no beginning. The Lukewarm Church Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is referred to as, "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation." The whole passage reads as "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God".
Like in the Gospel of Mark the short and long conclusion was not originally there. The NWT ends at Mark 16:8 Jesus is the Lamb of The God of Abraham YHVH Yehovah Jehovah Mark 16:8 In the Gospel of Mark. If the women tell no one then, Who is ! What each Gospel story is about. The four living creatures! Matthew Who was! Mark Who is! Luke Who is Coming! John The Lamb of YHVH! The four gospels are associated with the four living creatures: Matthew, the man, Mark the lion, Luke the ox, and John the eagle. John has Jesus dying on a different day. It's the Day of Preparation, not the Day of Preparation for Passover. It was the day they prepared the lambs for sacrifice. While at the same time, Jesus is prepared for sacrifice. Jesus is the Lamb of YHVH Yehovah Jehovah a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle. The man symbolises the prophet; the lion, kingship; the ox, priesthood, and the eagle, fatherhood.
Jehovah God provided his son Jesus as the Lamb. Genesis 3:15 Jesus was sacrificed by Satan's seed! Genesis 22:8 To this Abraham said: “God himself will provide the Lamb...14 And Abraham named that place Je·hoʹvah-jiʹreh.* This is why it is still said today: “In the mountain of Jehovah it will be provided.” Footnotes * Meaning “Jehovah Will Provide; Jehovah Will See to It.” John 19:10 So Pilate said to him: “Are you refusing to speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and I have authority to execute you?” 11 Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.” John 10:18 No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”
Being Saved means saved so as not to die anymore. That is what Everlasting life means. The 144,000 are also saved because they will not die anymore having got the same immortal status as their head, Jesus. JWs in general and other humans who will be resurrected get the opportunity to qualify for everlasting life on earth. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
That was an amateur move by Lorenzo approaching a woman with the JW for information. Good on him for being progressively minded though! But JW women are trained from childhood to not give info themselves and instead defer to a male member.
Yeah I get the feeling he read up more on the history than the culture. But for sure I'm glad he at least asked everyone at the cart. It's nice to see regular Christianity is moving past the sexism that Jehovah’s Witnesses are still embroiled in.
You bring up the JW never know if they are one of the people that will survive Armageddon. So a person could be a "perfect" Jehovah Witness from the moment they are born and still not be saved.
Overlapping Generations! Saul , David, and Solomon! The Kingdom is 120 years! 2 Samuel 16:5 When King David reached Ba·huʹrim, a man of the family of Saul’s house named Shimʹe·i, the son of Geʹra, came out shouting curses as he approached. 6 He was throwing stones at David and at all the servants of King David, as well as at all the people and the mighty men on his right and on his left. 7 Shimʹe·i said as he cursed: “Get out, get out, you bloodguilty man! You worthless man! 8 Jehovah has brought back on you all the bloodguilt for the house of Saul, in whose place you have ruled as king, but Jehovah gives the kingship into the hand of Abʹsa·lom your son. Now calamity has overtaken you because you are a bloodguilty man!” 9 Then A·bishʹai the son of Ze·ruʹiah said to the king: “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? Let me go over, please, and take off his head.” 10 But the king said: “What do I have to do with you, you sons of Ze·ruʹiah? Let him curse me, for Jehovah has said to him, ‘Curse David!’ So who should say, ‘Why are you doing this?’” 11 David then said to A·bishʹai and all his servants: “Here my own son, who came from my own body, is seeking my life, and how much more now a Benʹja·min·ite! Leave him alone so that he may curse me, for Jehovah told him to! 12 Perhaps Jehovah will see my affliction, and Jehovah will restore goodness to me instead of the curses shouted at me this day.” 13 With that David and his men kept going down the road while Shimʹe·i was walking alongside the mountain abreast of him, shouting curses and throwing stones and a lot of dust.
@DarthMagog You complain about the bloodguilt! I only added the bible verses, so you don't have to waste your time looking them up! They each ruled 40 years!
Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931 The Marriage of the Lamb had not happened yet. Don't you see their expectations were false. Should all of the Protestants stayed in the Catholic Church! The Lamb started speaking like a Dragon in 1914! The arrival of the 7th Kingdom. Jesus is King of David's Kingdom! Was King David confused, too! 2 Samuel 24:1 The anger of Jehovah again blazed against Israel when one incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.” 1 Chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. Jehovah God's Spirit Directed World! Will Jehovah's anger blaze at the world also! Revelation 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.
The God of the old Testament is Yahweh, who is Jesus! The name was given to Moses! The Tent of Moses is the Tent of David, which is the House of David, the Samaritan Temple! Yahweh is from the Samaritans. John 4:22 Samaritans had their own temple! Within the region of Samaria, in the city of Sychar, was Jacob’s well. This was the location of Jesus’ conversation with the Samaritan woman, who asked, “Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?” (John 4:12). Later in the conversation, she brought up a centuries-old controversy: “Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem” (verse 20). “This mountain” is a reference to Mount Gerizim in the central Samaritan highlands, the place where the Samaritans had built their own temple, which they considered the true temple of God. John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.
I use I AM from King James Bible because most believe Jesus is God. But that is not what it means. The meaning of the name Yahweh is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I AM Who I AM ” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Yahweh may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.
The marriage of the Lamb! Abraham and the Lamb! Mary and the Lamb! YHVH Yehovah Jehovah! In Hebrew the “ah” ending is feminine in its conjunctive form like Ishah אִשָּׁ֔ה (women) opposed to Ish אִישׁ (man). The Hebrew word Yapheh which sounds similar to the name Yahweh is used to describe David (1 Samuel 17:42) יָפֶה (beautiful) in the masculine form. The feminine form of this Hebrew word is Yaphah יָפָ֖ה like we see in reference to Tamar in 2 Samuel 13:1. It is the name of the creator of the universe that that would have a feminine form of the name like you see in Yehovah. Revelation 19:9 And he tells me, “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” Also, he tells me: “These are the true sayings of God.” 10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus.Worship God! For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.”
The meaning of the name Jehovah is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become” or, “I Will Prove to Be What I Will Prove to Be.” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Jehovah may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.
Agenda 21 2030! Jesus is the Lamb. The Lamb started speaking like a dragon in 1914 Revelation 13:11 Revelation 16:13 The Trinity! The gathering of the Nations! The remnant is of the Samaritans who follow the Mighty God of the Nations. So the remnant is the 144,000 and the Lamb! Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. 22 For though your people, O Israel, Are as the grains of sand of the sea, Only a remnant of them will return. An extermination has been decided on, And justice will engulf them. 23 Yes, the extermination decided on by the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, Will be carried out in the entire land.
Fun fact: King James was the most verifiably queer monarch Britain has ever had, so I find it hilariously ironic that his version of the Bible is used by some of the most homophobic churches that exist today, including Westboro Baptist Church 😂
"How could they be so silly to think they have The Truth? WE have The Truth!"
Everytime it seems, funny that all of us are always wrong 🤣
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not get to know God through its wisdom, God was pleased through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing.
26 For you see his calling of you, brothers, that there are not many wise in a fleshly way, not many powerful, not many of noble birth, 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the insignificant things of the world and the things looked down on, the things that are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 so that no one might boast in the sight of God. 30 But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom, 31 so that it may be just as it is written: “The one who boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.”
Let's go Crash a JW Cart! Lol!
Some people just like to grumble!
John 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered...46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
Malachi 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another.
John 6:44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to me. 46 Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father. 47 Most truly I say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life.
How can you be so silly as to think that you have the 'truth'?
Where is your evidence?
JWs prove their faith and conviction by studying the Bible - they publicly declare their faith and Bible teaching - Acts 20:20 and Romans 10:10
JWs worldwide have established over 118,000 congregations in some 239 lands preaching the "good news of God's kingdom" in hundreds of languages, fulfilling a remarkable bible prophecy found at Matthew 24:14 and Mark 13:10
What are you doing to demonstrate that you have the 'truth' and that it's better than what JWs have?
He has nothing just like the others who like to bash them
Welcome back to the land of the living.
Sure beats the alternative my friend
@@DarthMagog .. but you are destined for the alternative.
It is most inspiring to see the return of the Dark Lord of the Apostates! Hope you are well!
Good to back to battling the Lords of Lies at the Watchtower
So glad you are back. You have been missed.
I was not aware that they conflated Jesus and Michael the arch angel. Reasons/speculations for this aside, it makes more sense why they wouldn't celebrate holidays of Christmas and Easter- in the religious sense, both are Jesus -centric and if He is not God, then why celebrate (of course, that's just MY speculation and I could be wrong).
Good to see you back Darth Magog!
Thanks Titan! Yeah not sure how they got Jesus from Michael really. Some weird translation somewhere. Truly bizarre
@@DarthMagog .. study harder!
Why not study to find out?
This is where JWs have the upper hand - they are knowledgeable and know the scriptures far better than anyone else.
@@Chris_Sheridan good point, but also a tall order. Reading the Bible is not difficult- I own a NIV version (66 books, although I know some chuches have more books in the old testament) and have read the whole book. STUDYING the Bible is a different matter entirely, and would require looking though older texts/translations, having knowledge of actual historical events going on in tandem to the stories described, and while I'm sure a mentor to help with some questions isn't necessary, it certainly wouldn't hurt. This also would require a large time commitment that I simply do not have at this moment, but I'm sure it would be quite the exercise and experience
@@titangirl161 .. re: 'large time commitment' - this is exactly why Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian organization that are fully dedicated to preaching the "good news of the kingdom" in all the inhabited earth as Jesus commanded. - Matthew 24:14 and Mark 13:10
Also, Matthew 28:19 & 20
Only Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill the requirements of 1 Corinthians 1:10 and Hebrews 10:25 (in addition to the above)
I am laughing a little bit at the “come join our church” and then “buy the Tuddle Twins US history edition” that played at the end. I feel like they advertisers don’t really understand the demographic here
Lol the algorithm doesn't have very good reading comprehension I'm afraid 🤣
Great seeing you Magog, I was beginning to worry about you since there haven't been any videos lately. In regard to the cart crash video, I feel it was a bit hypocritical of him to say JW's pick and choose their scriptures when that's a very common practice with many Christian churches. I find it interesting that the pastor asserts JW's don't know the word of God but he does! He is ultimately being a more aggressive version of the JW's by cart crashing them to prophesize that his version of the faith is correct. I think you were too kind to him.
Yeah, one of these days I figure I'll do a proper review of cart crashes and why I think they're ineffective
Christians have no choice but to pick and choose as the bible does not speak with a unified voice
@@archivalblob56 .. FYI - the theme of the Bible is harmonious all the way through from Genesis to Revelation. You won't have the overall understanding if you only pick a few verses here and there. In their weekly meetings, JWs consider every book of the bible and how it contributes to the overall theme of God's purpose. This can be easily verified by attending meetings of JWs - bible education is free at every Kingdom Hall.
@@archivalblob56 .. the bible has one author - why wouldn't it be unified?
@@Chris_Sheridan it does not. The bible is written by numerous authors over centuries for different audiences. It repeatedly disagrees with itself.
What groups like Jehovah's Witnesses do is they read the bible with a unifying framework that isn't actually in the Bible. The Bible is then made to agree by prioritising certain passages over other, letting the one passage determine what the other can say. By doing a lot of these mental gymnastics the contradictions are explained away, regardless of if the explanation is probable or makes sense as long as it doesn't seem impossible (an incredibly low bar).
In all of this the Bible is subordinated to the unifying framework and the dogmas of the group using it. The bible is not allowed to speak on its own terms.
Welcome back my lord. I didn’t know about this preacher and found this video interesting!
It was good to hear you fact check info on the JWs
So apparently the governing body has recently changed their stance on beards and mustaches. I think Telltale talked about it when it happened, and I was wondering if you planned to cover it, too.
I've got a little commentary on it in next week's video ☺
I started my beard a year too early and now suddenly when I run into someone from my old hall they think it's really cool that I have a beard and want to discuss beard maintenance.
Why do people make such a big deal about it. All in the congregations are enjoying the change. Why be such haters. So not Christ like.
I was wondering where you were at. Your Christmas break was long as hell 😂😂 happy you’re still at it 🥳
It is hard trying to explain to people that persecution or debates won't convince JWs...
You could bring them historical accounts of what Christians in the 1st age believed and show them it doesn't fit their theology at all and that still wouldn't work.
I hope one day we can learn how to explain to people that nothing is that simple...
Honestly I've found soft activism seems to work better. Getting a genuine conversation going just requires a bit of kindness, empathy and genuine curiosity. I think it was... I wanna say Matt Delahunty that said "Keep asking "why" and eventually you'll get to the core."
Getting popcorn rn, this is gonna be good
Nice to see you. Love the comeback.
Glad to be back
@@DarthMagog im putting together my CSA experience in the Jws. Their response and treatment of me. My families response and finally the debacle of the Australian redress scheme.
Stuff like cart crashing isn't really to change minds; it's to reinforce the beliefs of those who do them. If this was a real debate, there'd be a mediator, time for the Witnesses to prepare as well as Pastor Lorenzo, and generally equal treatment. No, this was an exercise in treating someone as incorrect, and thus, worthy of scorn.
Yeah I certainly would prefer a proper mediator and a proper debate. It's just so hard to get members of these High Control groups to meet even in a neutral setting 😪
@@DarthMagogi have been asking Daro Weilburg for a debate, he keeps running away.
The witnesses are "prepared," that's why they are there, for interaction with the public, and to share their "religion" and find new members for their dwindling cult.
@@DarthMagog .. where did Jesus encourage debate?
JWs are simply following Jesus' teaching and the evidence stands on its own merits. - Matthew 24:14
@@mattmurdock2868 .. the success of public preaching precludes JWs from being defined as a 'cult' - they are legalized worldwide in some 239 lands where they are allowed to peacefully practice their faith and give witness in public exactly as taught in the Bible.
Name a government that legalizes 'cults' by definition.
Do you have a dictionary?
Is English your first language?
Hey Darth!!! Great seeing you again ❤️. Where is your partner? We like him too. Great video and look forward more videos as you continue to " Watch The Watchtower "...😂..
Fives has been staying busy. But is doing well 😁
Glad to see you again, I'd missed your voice.
A glorious return for sure
Learning that the archangel Micheal was supposed to be Jesus 20 years after I left the religion really goes to show my dad was right. I really didn't pay attention at the meetings
Luckily it was all nonsense, so I say you dodged a bullet 😂
I really hate when people think that assumption equals fact.
I like this format of determining what is truly fact versus outright assumption. Well done, Darth Magog!
The Dark Side is the path to many abilities that the Witnesses would call, unnatural. Critical thinking is the specific ability lol. Glad you liked it Alpha ☺
your costume is awesome! love the claws!
Glad you like it :)
The only thing Russell and his Bible students have in common with Rutherford and his jehovah's witnesses is the watchtower magazine. But completely different religions.
Physically too at this point. Learned that the Bible Students are still around, though they're virtually extinct.
I worry that videos like Pastor Lorenzo's do more harm than good.
Aside from being little more than an ego-stroking exercise for the people doing the cart crashing, in the end it just reinforces the idea that outsiders are aggressive and condescending. These cart crashers are feeding into the narrative that the higher-ups have drilled into their victims.
Many cult survivors, not just ex-JWs, have talked about how these types of encounters helped drive them deeper into the cult. Smug superiority isn't how you help people. Kindness and compassion are.
Not only that but this pastor is trying to forcibly convert them to his sect of Christianity we atheists also hate that
Something practising JWs wouldn't know anything about.
I hate cart crash videos too cause the rank and file are not the problem. It’s the organization (people you don’t see) as a whole that are.
The rank and file are the BIGGEST problem.
They are the foot soldiers, recruiting new members. They are the ones who fund the machine, build the halls and give them to the org.
It's the members who hide predators in their midst, refuse to call cops to protect children.
The rank and file ARE the organization.
Shame on every one of them.
That and it reinforces the persecution complex.
Interesting video, dark lord of the apostates. Yes, it seems more are taking notice of JW's. What's the saying sunlight is the best sterilizer.
Bro, I can totally see your eyes through the lenses get darker lenses
Are they pretty eyes tho? 🤩
@@DarthMagog yes
So in most branches of Christianity there is no limit on how many people are saved and go to Heaven. Branches differ on how one is saved (predetermined, faith, acts, mix of both). JW are very much in the minority of secs that have a limit. Additionally many secs don’t believe in a new Earth. I know SDAs and JWs do but I am not aware of any other mainstream secs that do.
Presumably that’s where the pastor’s confusion comes from.
I have seen jw carts in Raleigh, during the summer. I feel bad for the witnesses who had to stand out in the hot NC sun, during the summer, and, during a heat wave, no less - I think that it even got to the triple digits, that week. Plus, they were right next to fun places, like the North Carolina Museum of Natural Science, the North Carolina Museum of History, and even a state park.
A lot of nonsense was added after Russell. Not relying him of any responsibility, but it is unfair to attribute all oddities of the religion to the founder.
Yeah, if anyone should Shoulder most of the blame, I'd put it on ol Judge Rutherford. He really went off the rails on the crazy train 😳
@@DarthMagog I would say that Russell introduced most of the strangest doctrinal ideas. Numerology, measuring pyramids, symbology etc... While Rutherfod was primarily responsible for introducing the high control practices. He loved power. And I strongly doubt either one of them would be happy to see what it's evolved into today.
3:33
The King James Version of The Bible already removed Books from The Bible.
How is it going with that criticism of the Left Behind movie trilogy? Or were just going after those god awful Left Behind books?
Tbh, the way he phrased his criticism of NWT had an echo of KJV-onlyism, so I'd personally withhold points pending further investigation
Eh, call it a 6/10 then lol
Millenial Dawn...sounds really Star Wars
Doesn't it? I think that's the name of the Old Jedi Order series
Hello it’s been a while. How have you been?
Gary reference? If so, hello fellow Numanoid. 🙂
@@xjwfuriouswell no, but hey now I have something to look into. Gary is that a tv show?
@@Jaggededge112 Gary Numan. Jagged Edge is the title of one of his remix albums. Check him out. It will change your life. 🙂
Lol good to be back 😊
@@DarthMagog good to have you back.
Did they change their name because people kept calling them a bunch of BS'ers?
Lol no, actually it was because of a hostile takeover of the cult/corporation. The 2nd president hated the founder and wanted to erase him. I'll have to do a video on it one of these days.
@@DarthMagog Hey! Thanks for explaining that despite me being silly. ^^
I’ve seen his video confronting JW’s n perfectly challenging their beliefs, but in a way that is not offensive
It would be nice if there was a proper sit down for these things instead of "cart crashes." Wouldn't mind a free exchange of ideas, but Witnesses won't go for that.
@@DarthMagog well I’m not sure if it’s this bloke, but has done it with Mormons…makes mates (aka friends) over this
It's a Miracle master Magog came out of his hole is it a early spring or 5 more weeks of winter. 😉
hey darth i am a star wars fan
Welcome aboard!
Sith are Stronger then jedi
1881 + 153 = 2034
John 21:9 When they came ashore, they saw there a charcoal fire with fish lying on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them: “Bring some of the fish you just now caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went on board and hauled the net ashore full of big fish, 153 of them.
Jesus does choose who rules with him in his Kingdom. John 13:6 Then he came to Simon Peter. He said to him: “Lord, are you washing my feet?” 7 Jesus answered him: “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will understand after these things.” 8 Peter said to him: “You will certainly never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him: “Unless I wash you, you have no share with me.”
After Jesus was resurrected, these sealed ones were told to feed his sheep. The faithful slave. Matthew 24:45-47
John 21:17 He said to him a third time: “Simon son of John, do you have affection for me?” Peter became grieved that he asked him the third time: “Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you are aware of all things; you know that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him: “Feed my little sheep.18 Most truly I say to you, when you were younger, you used to clothe yourself and walk about where you wanted. But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and another man will clothe you and carry you where you do not wish.” 19 He said this to indicate by what sort of death he would glorify God. After he said this, he said to him: “Continue following me.”
20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, the one who at the evening meal had also leaned back on his chest and said: “Lord, who is the one betraying you?” 21 So when he caught sight of him, Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” 23 So the saying went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but he said: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”
The Apostle Peter and Paul was writing letters to the congregations before the Gospels were ever written. By about 70 AD they were executed and Jerusalem was destroyed. As long as the Apostle John was alive they believed Jesus was returning. But about 25 or 30 years later, John received Revelation for the congregations. John probably was the Q source for the Gospels because he was an eyewitness to all about 70 AD.
The Harlot Clinging to Jesus!
My Lord and God!
Christendom Clinging to Jesus!
Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God!
Psalm 22:22 I will declare your name to my brothers; In the midst of the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear Jehovah, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him! Stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel.
Does God have brother's. The resurrected Jesus has brothers! After Jesus' resurrection. Jesus words proves there is a God and Father in heaven. John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Christ Brothers!
Luke 22:28 “However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
When we say Amen we honor Jesus and The Father. We pray to Jehovah in Jesus name Amen. Almighty God had no beginning. The Lukewarm Church
Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is referred to as, "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation." The whole passage reads as "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God".
Like in the Gospel of Mark the short and long conclusion was not originally there. The NWT ends at Mark 16:8
Jesus is the Lamb of The God of Abraham YHVH Yehovah Jehovah
Mark 16:8
In the Gospel of Mark.
If the women tell no one then, Who is !
What each Gospel story is about.
The four living creatures!
Matthew Who was!
Mark Who is!
Luke Who is Coming!
John The Lamb of YHVH!
The four gospels are associated with the four living creatures: Matthew, the man, Mark the lion, Luke the ox, and John the eagle. John has Jesus dying on a different day. It's the Day of Preparation, not the Day of Preparation for Passover. It was the day they prepared the lambs for sacrifice. While at the same time, Jesus is prepared for sacrifice. Jesus is the Lamb of YHVH Yehovah Jehovah
a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle. The man symbolises the prophet; the lion, kingship; the ox, priesthood, and the eagle, fatherhood.
Jehovah God provided his son Jesus as the Lamb. Genesis 3:15 Jesus was sacrificed by Satan's seed! Genesis 22:8 To this Abraham said: “God himself will provide the Lamb...14 And Abraham named that place Je·hoʹvah-jiʹreh.* This is why it is still said today: “In the mountain of Jehovah it will be provided.”
Footnotes
* Meaning “Jehovah Will Provide; Jehovah Will See to It.”
John 19:10 So Pilate said to him: “Are you refusing to speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and I have authority to execute you?” 11 Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”
John 10:18 No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”
Being Saved means saved so as not to die anymore.
That is what Everlasting life means.
The 144,000 are also saved because they will not die anymore having got the same immortal status as their head, Jesus.
JWs in general and other humans who will be resurrected get the opportunity to qualify for everlasting life on earth.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
So... what I already said?
@@DarthMagog : Just clarifying what SAVED means for those who do not know.
That was an amateur move by Lorenzo approaching a woman with the JW for information. Good on him for being progressively minded though! But JW women are trained from childhood to not give info themselves and instead defer to a male member.
Yeah I get the feeling he read up more on the history than the culture. But for sure I'm glad he at least asked everyone at the cart. It's nice to see regular Christianity is moving past the sexism that Jehovah’s Witnesses are still embroiled in.
Too bad magog can't sport a beard 😂
Lol challenge accepted
Is this a no to fornication
... what?
@@DarthMagog is that an amen?
@@bretherenlee1404... what?
You bring up the JW never know if they are one of the people that will survive Armageddon. So a person could be a "perfect" Jehovah Witness from the moment they are born and still not be saved.
That is 100% right
Overlapping Generations!
Saul , David, and Solomon!
The Kingdom is 120 years!
2 Samuel 16:5 When King David reached Ba·huʹrim, a man of the family of Saul’s house named Shimʹe·i, the son of Geʹra, came out shouting curses as he approached. 6 He was throwing stones at David and at all the servants of King David, as well as at all the people and the mighty men on his right and on his left. 7 Shimʹe·i said as he cursed: “Get out, get out, you bloodguilty man! You worthless man! 8 Jehovah has brought back on you all the bloodguilt for the house of Saul, in whose place you have ruled as king, but Jehovah gives the kingship into the hand of Abʹsa·lom your son. Now calamity has overtaken you because you are a bloodguilty man!” 9 Then A·bishʹai the son of Ze·ruʹiah said to the king: “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? Let me go over, please, and take off his head.” 10 But the king said: “What do I have to do with you, you sons of Ze·ruʹiah? Let him curse me, for Jehovah has said to him, ‘Curse David!’ So who should say, ‘Why are you doing this?’” 11 David then said to A·bishʹai and all his servants: “Here my own son, who came from my own body, is seeking my life, and how much more now a Benʹja·min·ite! Leave him alone so that he may curse me, for Jehovah told him to! 12 Perhaps Jehovah will see my affliction, and Jehovah will restore goodness to me instead of the curses shouted at me this day.” 13 With that David and his men kept going down the road while Shimʹe·i was walking alongside the mountain abreast of him, shouting curses and throwing stones and a lot of dust.
Hey.... not gonna read all that
@DarthMagog
You complain about the bloodguilt!
I only added the bible verses, so you don't have to waste your time looking them up! They each ruled 40 years!
Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931
The Marriage of the Lamb had not happened yet. Don't you see their expectations were false. Should all of the Protestants stayed in the Catholic Church! The Lamb started speaking like a Dragon in 1914! The arrival of the 7th Kingdom. Jesus is King of David's Kingdom! Was King David confused, too!
2 Samuel 24:1 The anger of Jehovah again blazed against Israel when one incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.”
1 Chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel.
Jehovah God's Spirit Directed World! Will Jehovah's anger blaze at the world also!
Revelation 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.
The God of the old Testament is Yahweh, who is Jesus! The name was given to Moses! The Tent of Moses is the Tent of David, which is the House of David, the Samaritan Temple!
Yahweh is from the Samaritans. John 4:22 Samaritans had their own temple! Within the region of Samaria, in the city of Sychar, was Jacob’s well. This was the location of Jesus’ conversation with the Samaritan woman, who asked, “Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?” (John 4:12). Later in the conversation, she brought up a centuries-old controversy: “Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem” (verse 20). “This mountain” is a reference to Mount Gerizim in the central Samaritan highlands, the place where the Samaritans had built their own temple, which they considered the true temple of God. John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.
I use I AM from King James Bible because most believe Jesus is God. But that is not what it means. The meaning of the name Yahweh is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I AM Who I AM ” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Yahweh may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.
The marriage of the Lamb!
Abraham and the Lamb!
Mary and the Lamb!
YHVH Yehovah Jehovah!
In Hebrew the “ah” ending is feminine in its conjunctive form like Ishah אִשָּׁ֔ה (women) opposed to Ish אִישׁ (man). The Hebrew word Yapheh which sounds similar to the name Yahweh is used to describe David (1 Samuel 17:42) יָפֶה (beautiful) in the masculine form. The feminine form of this Hebrew word is Yaphah יָפָ֖ה like we see in reference to Tamar in 2 Samuel 13:1. It is the name of the creator of the universe that that would have a feminine form of the name like you see in Yehovah.
Revelation 19:9 And he tells me, “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” Also, he tells me: “These are the true sayings of God.” 10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus.Worship God! For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.”
The meaning of the name Jehovah is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become” or, “I Will Prove to Be What I Will Prove to Be.” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Jehovah may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.
Agenda 21 2030!
Jesus is the Lamb. The Lamb started speaking like a dragon in 1914 Revelation 13:11 Revelation 16:13 The Trinity! The gathering of the Nations! The remnant is of the Samaritans who follow the Mighty God of the Nations.
So the remnant is the 144,000 and the Lamb! Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. 22 For though your people, O Israel, Are as the grains of sand of the sea, Only a remnant of them will return. An extermination has been decided on, And justice will engulf them. 23 Yes, the extermination decided on by the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, Will be carried out in the entire land.
Fun fact: King James was the most verifiably queer monarch Britain has ever had, so I find it hilariously ironic that his version of the Bible is used by some of the most homophobic churches that exist today, including Westboro Baptist Church 😂
Lol King James was telling on himself 🤣