HMS Queen Mary - Guide 202
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- HMS Queen Mary, a unique battlecruiser of the Royal Navy, is today's subject.
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-USS Marblehead
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Why would it matter if the officer's quarters were fore or aft?
During the battle of Tsushima, when the Japanese fleet was crossing the T of the Russian fleet, admiral Rozhestvensky decided to turn to starboard, going a parallel course to the Japanese fleet.
Is there a reason he didn‘t turn to port? In my opinion, this maneuver would have gotten him away from the Japanese fleet and considering, that he didn‘t want to fight this battle, I‘m surprised he didn‘t do that and would like to know why.
Would it be a poor strategic desicion, was something preventing him of doing it or was it something else?
The "next on the list" is surprisingly short, so I have to recommend the Tátra class DD's of the Austro-Hungarian "Kaiserliche und Königlische Kriegsmarine" since it is in the WoWs - albeit horribly butchered.
What was your best literature or archive find to change your view on things most considerably?
Is a caterpillar a baby butterfly?
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5:36
A sailor T posing ontop of Y turret to assert his dominace over the entirety of the High Seas Fleet.
Well spotted!
He's the king of the world
It's over Beatty, he has the high ground.
He might be signalling semahore, but we can't see the flags.[Due to being a grainy B+W print] The guy next to him is his reader with binocs.
@@HootOwl513 nah, he's Alpha and the guy next to him is his hype man
Royal Navy: Names new battlecruiser Queen Mary as a companion to the KGV-class
that's kinda cute ngl
Relationship goals
Holy crap that is kinda cute... Is this how Royal families used to do PDA?
@@eric24567 Note that whilst there was a King Edward VII pre-dreadnought, there was no companion Queen Alexandra warship. You could have named a whole destroyer class after Edward's sexual partners, most famously Lily Langtry.
@@neilbuckley1613 I'm not saying its a good thing, but that's pimp goal right there. I'm the King and I'm naming ships after my FWB's.
@@neilbuckley1613 Well, they still had the old ironclad HMS Alexandra in service in 1901. But they could have named a new ship after her, when that one was scrapped in 1908.
1:26 "She was longer, wider and heavier than her predecessors."
Queen Mary: That's no way to talk about a lady.
Drach: But you're a battlecruiser, so it's a compliment.
Queen Mary: Oh. Carry on then.
at 27,000 tonnes Queen Mary is over 3,000 lighter than a Typhoon class Russian SSBN
Gives you an idea of how truly massive the Typhoons are
That's only if you use the Typhoon's submerged displacement, which does not seem like a particularly good comparison, as the Queen Mary was not designed to be submerged. By surfaced displacement, the Typhoon is between 3000 and 4000 tonnes lighter.
Still a thicc underwater boat
@@squorntheoriginal I used 30,000 as a rough stop gap between its empty surface weight estimate of between 23,200-24,500t and its submerged estimates of between 33,800 and 48,000t.
Weighing warships and submarines is tricky cos there are a lot of different values you can use. Do you include stores? Ammunition? Water in the ballast tanks? If yes or no why? A Typhoon would spend pretty much all of its active patrol submerged, that weight is definitely on board.
@@squorntheoriginal My point is that the Typhoon is bloody enormous cos its weight is approaching that of a battlecruiser that has to resist hits from heavy naval artillery
@@maxkennedy8075 If you flooded the Queen Mary she would probably weigh more than the Typhoon, not a good comparison
"Queen Mary was longer, wider and heavier than her predecessors." Oh, you mean the ship and not the Queen Consort who, in photos at least appears to have been a formidable woman and was the current Queen's grandmother.
Thicc
Queen Mary's *thicc*
The story in my family was that my great great grandfather was one of the survivors though he was pensioned out after the battle . This was amazing he would have been a stoker shovelling coal, a place in the ship least likely to survive a sinking exploding metal coffin of a warship.
Any idea how he survived?
I suppose since the front fell off, there'd be a variety of choices of ways out for anyone lucky enough to have survived the explosions....
I'd love to hear of his story. I can also well imagine that the RN pensioned off survivors of horrific tragedies such as the one your great great grandfather experienced. I know they'd have no other choice but do that to me, or send me to prison. After surviving something like that, there would be no mortal power on Earth that could compel me to climb back aboard a ship.
@chris younts I know that Ted Briggs, one of the Hood survivors, stayed in the Navy and retired in 1973 as a Lieutenant.
My Great Great Uncle was also a stoker, on her, but not so lucky.
My Great, Great Uncle was a stoker on her, and probably remains in the wreck to this day.
My great grand father William Graham was also a stoker on the Queen Mary.
My great uncle Henry Reace was a stroker on Queen Mary too. He never had a chance when she went down. His nephew lost his life in Italy fighting the Germans in WWII.
Battlecruiser captains: There's something wrong with our bloody admiral today.
The problem with the admiral wasn't confined to just that day.
@@PaulfromChicago twue
Great line, especially since Admiral of the Fleet Beatty had the official history of the battle rewritten in his favor.
@@roberthudson1959 How exactly was it rewritten in Beatys favour?
@@harrysmith1070when he found out about the news of historians or journalists? Have published details that do not fit his own.
Queen Mary was the only truly modern, first class, British, capital ship lost that day, and had previously been commanded by Admiral Edward 'Blinker' Hall of Room 40 fame.
I didn't realise how substantially improved she was over the previous splendid cats.
This ship should have achieved so much more, if only they had handled the cordite a bit better.
At least she's part of the proud tradition of british ships showering neighboring friendly ships with debris after a fiery display of unintentional fireworks following enemy fire.
and clossing the bloody ammonition safety doors
Fireworks for the cordite gods
Why did my Brain read the title as RMS Queen Mary? Last time I checked she didn’t get blown in half in combat.
Only in economical warfare
Same name, and she did some wartime service, so, even though she is a passenger liner i can see her appearing here. :D
And she did sink a cruiser by ramming, splitting it in two. Unfortunatly, it was one of her own escort.
HMS Queen Elizabeth to RMS Queen Elizabeth “snap”
I don't know.
@chris younts I believe parts of the city were built over top of what remained of QE’s wreck.
Why do British ships keep the flag up on the stern, and the pennant up on the bow ? When I was in the US Navy, we shifted colors upon leaving the dock and our flag was on the aft part of the forward mast. This way the field of fire isn't obscured. The bow and aft metal posts were then lowered and secured to the deck.
At sea, the ensign is flown from the yardarm of the foremast (in battle you'd probably have a number of battle ensigns, in case that was shot away and you appeared to be striking your colours) the jack was only flown in port, or if "dressing ship"
Drach, why not start a anti Beatty fan club. I would join.
me too
Likewise, what was done to Adm. Jellicoe's reputation after Jutland was despicable.
@@ONECOUNT Have you read Adm. Bacon's book on the subject?
well, on the other hand one should start a pro Hipper fan club. The man who made no mistake at Jutland.
@@iansadler4309 No unfortunately, I haven't.
Never describe a woman by saying she's wider and heavier than someone else! 🤣🤣
I never understood why Beatty did not face court martial over Jutland, in fact he got promoted 🤨
Be was extremely well connected...
F-up and move up. It's a foul military tradition. :-(
Same reason the bankers got bonuses instead of jail time in 2008.
His superiors could not court marital him without making themselves look bad
@@stanleyrogouski Ugh, you brought back painful memories...
The irony is that she survives, in a form, while all the ships that were not sunk have been destroyed; somehow I find that comforting.
In death, she lives on...
Beatty was one of those figures in history who is so easy to detest
IMO Beatty would have been a good commander of a smaller battlecruiser engagement such as the 1914 Battle of the Falkland Islands where his fox-hunting instincts might have worked in his favour.
@@Akm72 - what really turns most people off about Beatty was his subterfuge and treachery after the battle.
@@petersouthernboy6327 Agreed, I was only considering his traits as a commander.
@Russ Gallagher And the Germans had 2 different Deutschland class ships sailing at the same time, one series being Battleship, the other series being pocket-Battleship.
There was a documentary of the two admirals where it was found that Beatty falsified charts. They compared the records to the actual location. Admiral Jellico did all that Britain asked of him, sailing across the North Sea engaging the enemy with no help of his scouting admiral crossing the German fleets T twice and largely bringing his fleet safely home inspite of torpedos, mines and German cannon.
Can’t sleep but drach drops new video...I’ll take it as a win
4:44 "Despite Beatty's handling of the situation, she was actually doing relatively well." Savage - and deservedly so.
Last time I was this early, Horatio Nelson was still in command of a frigate.
Hey Drach, your comments about the changes to the accommodations layout had me wondering more generally about the accommodations/quality of life type stuff for sailors and officers over the years? Just an idea for a future video although you already have years worth of ideas lol :)
@@pointdironie5832 Here is an example (official confidential US Navy documentary) about a Fletcher class destroyer converted to mainly ASW work in the early 1950's, it would be interesting to see how the Royal Navy compared: ua-cam.com/video/8RHcz1KS7F8/v-deo.html
thank you so much for making this video. I have always found the HMS Queen Mary to be an exceptionally good looking battle cruiser. Something about her gives off a dark metallic sleekness. Her loss was such a poignant tragedy.
I had no idea that was why she was named Queen Mary.
Beatty should have been given a court martial not promoted. Negligence rewarded whilst others paid the price.
Hey Drach, I’ve always wondered what those diagonal bars or chains were along the sides on capital ships... what are those for?
Poles to space Torpedo netting off from the hull
Spars for Anti-torpedo nets. They would be extended to hold the nets while moored.
Portable torpedo nets, I believe.
I was wondering that too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_net
I'd love a review of HMS Wellesley, which so far as I know was the only sailing ship of the line to have been sunk by air attack.
Good call. HMS Wellesley had a long and interesting career.
How about a video on the Royal Navy's Emerald Class Light Cruisers? (HMS Emerald and HMS Enterprise)
I wonder if Beatty was this early.....
There was nothing wrong these ships.
Beatty wasn't a clever commander.
These ships were never meant to stand and take punishment.
Other commanders would keep range and win their battles.
Exactly. Perfect use of BC was against von Spee and his East Asia Squadron at Falklands.
That's what makes me sad about HMS Hood. She was fast enough to chase down all the raiding German Battlecrusiers, Heavy Cruisers, Pocket Battleships etc. and also powerful enough to obliterate them. The ONE thing she couldn't do was stand in a battle line against brand new battleships. So that's what the idiot Admirals ordered her to do. They should have been court-martialled but hey it's Britain and the people at the top are invulnerable.
@@Caratacus1 Hood doesn't have a problem facing Bismark and other battleships. Only her deck armour was weak and the penetration received by Bismark was a very lucky shot.
@@Caratacus1 true
@@Caratacus1
The Admiralty had no choice. There were no other forces capable to intercept German ships before entering open Atlantic Ocean. So they sent BC and not finished BS. They eventually made their job. Bismarck was doomed at Denmark Strait.
I wonder how Queen Mary reacted when she learned her ship blow up?
Rumours are she hurried to the toilet and did a giant poop!
May all her sailors rest in piece.
Thanks for the video as always.
Thanks for posting, built by my Mother's relative's yard. PS How about featuring HMVS Cerberus one day? Still surviving, sort of....
The local council plan to fill her with concrete. They describe that as "preserving" her. Whoever thought that up should be similarly preserved.
Great video as always. It would only be 2 seconds longer if you mentioned the yard from which the ship was launched. Queen Mary was from Palmers on the Tyne.
Hmmm. A consort battleship as per Pygmalion / My Fair Lady?
5:20 "Something wrong with our bloody ships today"... But certainly not that pretty balcony on the stern.
What are those for? I’ve spotted them on a few ships and they seem like a bizarre inclusion
@@thomasthornton2002 They are balconies, Drach detailed them in one of the Dry Docks. Recreational, protocol and sometimes installing a light anti-torpedoboat gun or two
@@karlvongazenberg8398 thanks, don’t suppose you remember which dry dock episode?
@@thomasthornton2002 Nope, but in some earlier Dry Dock Drach included a link to an excel table detailing all answered questions - up to DD75 at least...
I believe it is a hold over from the wooden ships of the line, Admiral quarters.
I love your work!!!!! Absolutely brilliant!!!!!! I just finished reading Shattered Sword and I'd love your take or a series on that particular naval battle. Thank you for the amazing videos!
summary: built, lived for a few years, BOOM
Gunnery officer from X turret survived, with 20 odd men, he gave detailed description, after part of the ship, was still going at high speed, with bow completely cut of, incredible story.
It's some sort of karma that history remembers Beatty as a foul back-stabber, despite his post Jutland maneuvers to pump himself up at the expense of Jellicoe.
Great ship & crew, wasted by fools
"Sympathetic Explosion" ... British with their Terminologies is quite humorous.
Apparently the forward magazine on HMS Hood was equally sympathetic.
I'm somewhat surprised that you fall for Beatty's claim that he was commanding the battleruiser "fleet" I'm pretty certain that Corbett restated the truth - it was the battlecruiser "force" and thus part of the Grand Fleet in the same way that the battle squadrons were, not an independant command at all. That, naturally, didn't suit Beatty's hunger for publicity
The 4 dislikes are those of Beatty semour and 2 people who don’t like the ship!
The 3rd Earl Beatty is still living, so he is probably one of the dislikes.
Robert Hudson most likely
Is it just me or Queen Mary was like an inspiration to build Kongo Class Battlecruiser
That would more likely be Tiger
@@fighter_pilot_1698 Been a while since I've read about it but I vaguely remember that the Kongo class was based on an improved Lion class and the Tiger copied the best features of both. So the Queen Mary and Kongo are siblings. Happy to be wrong though. :)
@@Akm72 to be honest it’s me who’s happy to be proved wrong here!
Was just thinking regarding turret layout that they were more alike but I guess it comes down to much more than just that!
Thanks!
@@Akm72 That's the view I was taught - relocating "Q" turret on Tiger was inspired by Kongo. Dates of laying down - QM - 6 March 1911, Kongō - January 1911 and Tiger 6 June 1912.
@@iansadler4309 Thanks for the confirmation.
I was wondering which of the Grand Fleet ships experimented with the Argo Clock instead of the general-issued Dreyer Table.
Working at 4 am has its advantages when new guides are put out by Drach
she´s so beautyful !
Really, an actual five minute guide. I don’t know how to feel about this...
Somehow you almost feel cheated by having a 5 minute guide last "only" 6 minutes.
@@jefferyindorf699 well, is “ more or less”
Finally another 5 minute-ish guide!
And with this the design lineage of Royal Navy battlecruisers is now complete!
What is all that paper seen after the third volley during the opening sequence?
Ice.
Powder charges were in canvas can-shaped sacks, they were placed on the ram behind the shell. When the gun was fired little pieces were ejected with the gasses behind the shell.
Placing your mast behind the funnel has "predictable results"? Wot?!?!?! Heresy Sir!!!
As for this ship and her gallant crew, Rest in Peace.
Atlanta class 25 years later- "Didn't the British already figure out for us that cruiser hulls don't like battleship shells?"
Aft magazine: You call this an explosion? I'll show you an explosion...
Not much is sympathetic about explosions.
Funny how a word can have such a drastic disparity in definition with it's usage.
Just reading about Dogger Bank - in a very controversial article - SMS Blucher - Last Armoured Cruiser or First Battle Cruiser. - I'm gonna go with mostly (70-80%) last armoured one.
All battlecruisers are drednought armored cruisers but not all drednought armored cruisers are battlecruisers
The only drawback of Blucher was her speed.
Third possibility: first heavy cruiser
@@wolffweber7019 heavy cruiser is a somewhat artificial ship class
@@filipzietek5146 To be fair as you know in Polish literature (I am reading article from Special edition of MSiO 6/2014 on "Grand Fleet kontra Hochseeflotte") Battle Cruisers are referred to as Line Cruisers (Krążownik Liniowy) - from Battle Line Cruisers.
And given it's speed and the fact that Weather improved quickly which meant that previously assigned Von der Tann was in repairs. So they used (reluctantly) Blucher as basically filler for the role. It was still the fastest (I think) Triple Expansion engine ship of it's kind.
@@wolffweber7019 There were some new ideas in her - that is definitely true. But I think that compared to Royal Navy designs - she was still behind them. I don't fault Germans for that. They worked with rumours and Intelligence Data to make her. Not to mention that if Beatty order was followed - pursuing the rest of German fleet, she probably would survive - with "only" New Zealand and Indomitable attacking her. Instead whole Beatty's force just attacked her. Problems with communication they say. But with Beatty I am never certain.
Do you have any information or photographs from HMS Tartar from WW2 please
Using call as armour is no more surprising than the coal powered delta wing ram jet designed late in ww2 by Germany that may have been capable of supersonic speeds. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippisch_P.13a#/media/File%3AP13a.jpg
It was actually pretty common for 19th and early 20th century vessels. "Gotta carry a shitload of this black rock to feed our engines, why not use it like sandbags?" Playing a role in the location of many ships' coal bunkers
Does it bother anyone else British scrapped all of their capital ships? I mean they were priceless pieces of history yet they scrapped them. Truly a shame.
We're back to almost 5 minute clip lads.
How about a chapter about HMS Insoluble?
A stupid war over egos of men that never fought, how sad that 1200 died. RIP.
Bless them.
I'm a bit confused... as far as I know Queen Elizabeth II's husband is "only" duke and prince, but not king in title... but King George V's wife Mary had the title of Queen?
Are there different rules for male and female partners of the ruler? Was it a more recent change?
The monarch must always have the highest title, since Queen is held to be one step below King, if the monarch is male then their wife is Queen, but if the monarch is female then Queen must be the highest rank and thus Long cannot be used, the next title below Queen being Prince.
Are you waiting for your US trip to cover the RMS Queen Mary one of WWII's most strategically important ships?
Hurrah for Saturday!
RIP to my girl
1:25 i don't envy the man who had to break that news to the queen!
Regarding the capital ship naming convention to honor a new monarch, it brings up the question of the second King George V class - why wasn't it named for Bertie? Was it due to the abdication crisis?
Precisely, the new class had already been named King Edward VIII provisionally, King George VI didn't want to cause even more drama by grabbing his brothers ships, so he had them renamed after their father instead. This set back the convention by a generation, so a new RN SSBN is going to be named King George VI and presumably eventually King Charles III will named a ship Queen Elizabeth II.
I believe it was initially to be the King Edward VIII class, however when King George VI came to the throne it was to be the King George VI class but the king declined to have the ship named after him and I believe suggested it be named after his father, so we got the King George V class
@@Drachinifel Churchill wanted to name one of the Queen Elizabeths the HMS Cromwell but he got overruled.
@@Drachinifel Believe Charles is going to use his middle name George, due to negative connotations with name Charles, so eventually a KGVII
@@stanleyrogouski During the American Revolution there was more than one ship named Oliver Cromwell just to tweak the Brits IIRC. Some states had their own navies so there were overlapping names.
What was the advantage of midship main armament placement instead of aft super-firing?
What is all that paper seen after the third volley during the opening sequence?
I can't recall off the top of my head which video he answered this question in previously, but he has said that it is most likely that someone had stored something improperly. That wasn't a normal effect of firing.
It's a bitter sailor's reenlistment papers or divorce documents.
Not so much paper as remnants of the bags containing the gun propellant charges, sometimes they didn't completely burn up when the gun was fired, especially in earlier guns though it was occasionally seen even in the Iowa class MK7 16"/50.
Yesterday I was at the wrakkenmuseum in Terschelling. I was very surprised they had 3 portholes on display which came from the wreck of HMS Queen Mary! I touched it and I immediately felt the connection with what happened to this ship and her brave crew.
History is great, and confronting.
1:34 Drach: _… she was longer, wider, and heavier than her predecessors._
Me: (at first puzzled) "Oh! He's talking about the ship _Queen Mary,_ not the Queen Mary _Queen Mary._
Well it looks like I'm going to start this morning off with a bang.
Public opinion mostly. At the time, Britains wanted their officers to be, "Charge into the face of the enemy" types so of course Beatty's brashness won more people over than Jellicoe's cautious and deliberate decision making.
Oof
@@jonskowitz Beatty was portrayed as an avid fox hunter, tally ho and all of that. There is a picture of him in a double breasted uniform with his hands in his pockets ( even schoolboys know better than that) rakish tilt to his cover. Jellico wore his single breasted uniform very properly appeared to be the instructor type. Yeah salesmanship, Beatty was selling himself while Jellico was the real deal. I shudder to think how Jutland would have turned out with Beatty in charge.
Its good to see her grave being protected as opposed to sites elsewhere in the world which have been looted by so called "treasure hunters"
The Germans greatest asset seems to be their incredible luck in constantly hitting turrets at Jutland
The only two big gaps in your excellent BB line up are the Sovetsky Soyuz and the A150 class. Also the Kronshtadt-class BC .
She might have been firing well on Seydlitz but she should have been firing on Derfflinger. Tiger should have been firing on Seydlitz rather than Molke.
I'm pretty sure if Queen Mary had been supplied with effective shells she probably would have sent Seydlitz to the bottom or at least knocked her out of the battle. She was the crack gunnery ship of the battlecruiser squadron. The same could be said of Invincible who too was raining shells down on the German battlecruisers before she blew up. Had the Royal Navy had an effective shell at Jutland, I believe all of Hippers battlecruisers would have been sunk.
A preview of what was going to happen to the Hood. Battlecruisers were a failed class of warships, not fit for actual battle and too large and expensive to be used in tasks like long range patrol or commerce raiding /protecting for which ordinary cruisers were enough.
I wonder why the new accomodations layout (with officers forward) didn't work. The officers and most of the men would all be closer to their respective working areas. Was it just too bumpy nearer the bows for the precious brass hats? 😉
The most visible difference to Lion class was the shape of middle funnel. She had round design while The Lion flat-sided oval. (not sure somebody mentioned that so just in case)
HMS Queen Mary was a fine looking ship. What a sad end. I suppose open flash doors and carelessly stowed propellant charges were to blame.
These things happen when your competence as a gunnery officer is based on the ship's rate of fire.
Sadly, it’s more accurate to refer to her as an UNprotected war grave in the North Sea, considering the European equivalents to the dirtbags in the Far East started plundering her wreck for scrap in the last few years.
Great video, it would be great of you could do something on HMS Janus, there is not much information i can find about it online, one of my mothers uncles was lost on that ship.
Well made video. Still a reminder of the horrors of warfare --specially at sea. Saludos from Uruguay
By god, the ship is under fire/exploding/a battlecruiser/disagreeable
Is their a reason the designers removed the superfiring turret instead of the amidships one? Wouldn't that leave more space for machinery? Or was it something else like top heaviness or another reason?
Forgot to mention that, much like Repulse and Prince of Wales, she was a victim numerous illegal salvaging
How do you get away with funnel before mast in the design in large expensive capital ship?
So is it my bad searching, or is there no guide on Orion yet? It seems such an odd omission, too influential (first superdreadnought) to neglect, not so famous that it needs its own hour long special.
I would like to see a video on the HMS Inflexible (1876)
ahhhhhh Betty again
Is there a video talking about crew placements? I'm wondering why the location of Officers qtrs vs Crew qtrs making a difference to ... whatever it makes a difference to.
In the days of sail, officers were quartered in the stern because it was just nicer; what with those pleasant sternwalks and all. The crew were quartered in the fo'csle and the marines were quartered in-between in case mutiny ever became a popular pastime.
With HMS Dreadnought in 1906, Fisher tried stationing the officers forward so they were close to the control stations, but apparently this never "felt" right, so the RN immediately switched back.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 Thanks for the explanation. Odd that what seems to make sense for modern efficiency took a backseat to tradition (to call it that). My thought watching the video was that forward would be less noisy, since it was farther from the mechanical spaces, and by default, be where the officers would prefer to be located. People be odd, I guess. o7
What a ugly ship.
HMS Queen Mary..divorced at the battle of jutland.
Armor was readjusted? Or was it adjusted from the previous layout?
Adjusted from the layout of the earlier Lion class battlecruisers was what I understood.
I've read that as the Queen Mary exploded her wreck stood on the Sea floor and could be seen to the Grand Fleet as they swept by. Almost like a pair of tombstones to her lost crew.
I think that was "Invincible" some navy crews cheered as they thought it was a German ship at first.
@@TayebMC You are correct. 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron charged out in front of the main battleline while 1st and 2nd never really got in front after the run to the north.
Is it shallow there?
@@Johnnycdrums 55m, so pretty shallow, but not terribly shallow for the area of the battle.
@@UnintentionalSubmarine ; Amazing.
Thanks for the info, I'm always interested in stuff like this.
It's like that in places up around the Berring Sea too.
I know a place on Georges Bank as shallow as 45 ft.
Another place that's wicked shallow is in and around the Spratly Islands off of Palawan, Philippines.
The Hood is also in 3 pieces