Printer is still in beta, you can support a tier on my patreon to see more if you like. Files are not released yet. I will do more videos once the printer has been tested more
I made the mistake of buying this HE for my CR10S Pro. I agree with your opinion. It's been a pain. It is also shorter than the original HE, which resulted in maxing out the Z travel, I had to raise the bed, redo parts cooling fan design, redo BLtouch mount. Put me in a spin and I ended up buying a Prusa MKS3... My next printer will be one of your designs. This weekend I'm installing klipper on my Flsun Q5 based on your training.
I designed a small adapter for my cr10s pro v2. It has worked great. I had to re-tighten it once; might have to do it here and there. Basically, I refused to be a sucker and moving everything around like you were doing seemed like an endless journey to nowhere. So far I've gone through half a reel of petg and am now doing pla. Plan to take my design to a local machine shop and have one or two made out of Aluminum. Seriously don't know why Creality doesn't just toss one in each box; so tired of the inconsistencies between their rigs and their complete failure at understanding nomenclature. One seller told me there are more than one Spider 3.0. Anyway, that's my two bits. Came here to see what settings were used for pla.. got nothin'
Very informative and a great review. You are gonna turn into the MKBHD of 3d printers (his reviews makes or breaks products). Keep up the awesome work.
You do not need high power heaters for high flow hotend, high power heaters can easily cause temperature instability. Ceramic heaters have a much lower power at printing temperatures than advertised, probably less than half
@@Rolohaun I'm talking about your claim that you need more power for the heater, which is incorrect especially in the context of ceramic heaters which claim high power (60-70 watt and more), but are actually only 24 watt at print temperature.Typical resistive heaters like the common 6x20 heaters are 40 watt at printing temperature.
I purchased it on aliexpress a month ago for about $55 AUD ($50 CAD, $38 USD) and for the price I paid, I am quite pleased. The flowrate I've comfortably been achieving with abs is around 25 mm3s without testing and pushing it to the limit. I agree that it would be nice if it had a ceramic heater block instead as it would lighten up the hotend (about 55g without the groove mount). For a hotend with the performance of a Mosquito Magnum (albeit heavier) If you can get it for what I got it for I'd say it's worth it. Edit: Seems to be only when shipped to Australia that the price remains reasonable. My personal opinion is that if you can find it for under 40 USD its absolutely worth it.
@@Rolohaun Sure, www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004754189366.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.5cf41802SsdGyy Price has since gone up a little, must've gotten it on a mini sale.
@@Rolohaun Oh oof, didn't realise the price changed when shipping to different countries, that's rough. Aliexpress Sellers can be a bit cheeky at times.
I was actually considering this as a replacement for my Ender 5 but just as you mention it doesn't really make any sense when you look at other manufacturers. A Revo Cr also bolts directly to an Ender 5 and as an added benefit you also don't need any firmware changes as it has the same thermistor as is used on most Creality printers. I think they missed the target audience with this product, at least have it be a bit cheaper than the competition
Im still using volcanoes for all my printers. The rapido is on my list of upgrades but I see theyre offering volcano style ceramic heaters now so I can just convert these old hotends. Ordered one havent had a chance to try it out yet but it seems like a pretty good option.
I did some work in the advertising business for a couple of years a long long time ago. Copy-writing, ad-design, and I worked with people doing marketing, and the like. On what to call your printers, I'm thinking ROLO-1, 2, 3, etc. "ROLO" embossed in the front somehow, or if you want to tone it down, on a diagonal across one the side panels (maybe tin the middle), would be nice.
Looks like they've gone a bit backwards with the Spider line. I have one of the older ones and it came with a heater cartridge and it was $40 (new. I got it for $30 open box). The 3 probably has more flow and the mounting options are better than the 2 but they've put it in a price bracket with a lot of great competition. Also the proprietary nozzles are just the icing on the 'no thanks' cake.
@@fionoz9586 unless we're talking about different things, the Spider nozzles I have and all of the ones I've seen are significantly longer than standard mk8 nozzles. The thread length is somewhere between mk8 and volcano length.
@@einbit The Spider 3 or Spider pro (I believe are the same thing). it has a red cage around it. the spider 2 has a black cage. The Spider 3 I believe uses standard mk8 nozzles.
Yeah , the nozzle is a no go for me , i have a lots of ed3 , volcano nozzles😊😊😊😊 , but i think this hotend looks pretty good , but its too much expensive , i bougth a Dragonfly Bms , for 35 uss aprox , sooo its very good , anyway the cheap clone Volcano can print very good too😊
1:21 I bought this to throw in my Voron 0.2 but can’t for the life of me get the adapter off to flush mount it. I’ve tried a 14mm wrench and all I’m doing is scratching it all up. Any advice?
It also has a proprietary shaped nozzle. Can the standard nozzle fit and work with this? The cost in the USA is around $70, still steep. I also see lots of reviews on this one, but none that compare the standard Ender style hot end to this. For the price it would have to somehow print much better and not just be able to print at higher temps. Thank you for a nice, honest review.
So, while I embrace all things tech as well as innovation, I disagree that everything should be ceramic. Yeah its fast heating but every single one I've owned which is 4 now including a bambu labs hotend, have failed with ADC out of range when the thermisor gets pulled, torn or displaced. One resulted in thermal runaway. I never. EVER have these problems with a standard heater cart and cylindrical style thermistors. They just work and are dirt cheap. Its a much more expensive affair to have CHC backups on hand. I really, really want to love chc hotends but they've all failed me so far.
a shame you have had so many issues, I have never had any my bambu x1 has over 2000 hours on it and I use ceramic on all my printers without issues. not many TL CHC though mostly bambu stuff
Rook evolution? Where is this amazing printer and what are the specs?
Printer is still in beta, you can support a tier on my patreon to see more if you like. Files are not released yet. I will do more videos once the printer has been tested more
One more Rook for the family. Nice! Have you thought about releasing the print head cad for Andy of hero me?
"it does have a really nice silicone sock"... You're too kind 🤣
I made the mistake of buying this HE for my CR10S Pro. I agree with your opinion. It's been a pain. It is also shorter than the original HE, which resulted in maxing out the Z travel, I had to raise the bed, redo parts cooling fan design, redo BLtouch mount. Put me in a spin and I ended up buying a Prusa MKS3... My next printer will be one of your designs. This weekend I'm installing klipper on my Flsun Q5 based on your training.
I designed a small adapter for my cr10s pro v2. It has worked great. I had to re-tighten it once; might have to do it here and there.
Basically, I refused to be a sucker and moving everything around like you were doing seemed like an endless journey to nowhere.
So far I've gone through half a reel of petg and am now doing pla.
Plan to take my design to a local machine shop and have one or two made out of Aluminum. Seriously don't know why Creality doesn't just toss one in each box; so tired of the inconsistencies between their rigs and their complete failure at understanding nomenclature. One seller told me there are more than one Spider 3.0.
Anyway, that's my two bits. Came here to see what settings were used for pla.. got nothin'
Very informative and a great review. You are gonna turn into the MKBHD of 3d printers (his reviews makes or breaks products). Keep up the awesome work.
Too much money for too less to offer. It seems to me Creality has just became to greedy.
Thanks for the review, and thanks again for your honesty
You do not need high power heaters for high flow hotend, high power heaters can easily cause temperature instability. Ceramic heaters have a much lower power at printing temperatures than advertised, probably less than half
Ceramic circular heaters like the rapido and chc melt the filament more evenly for more flow
@@Rolohaun I'm talking about your claim that you need more power for the heater, which is incorrect especially in the context of ceramic heaters which claim high power (60-70 watt and more), but are actually only 24 watt at print temperature.Typical resistive heaters like the common 6x20 heaters are 40 watt at printing temperature.
@@rondlh20 oh ok
Looks like Creality watched your video: New Spider Speedy Ceramic Hot end. I am new to the idea of ceramic, thanks for the new to me information.
I hope so!
I purchased it on aliexpress a month ago for about $55 AUD ($50 CAD, $38 USD) and for the price I paid, I am quite pleased. The flowrate I've comfortably been achieving with abs is around 25 mm3s without testing and pushing it to the limit. I agree that it would be nice if it had a ceramic heater block instead as it would lighten up the hotend (about 55g without the groove mount). For a hotend with the performance of a Mosquito Magnum (albeit heavier) If you can get it for what I got it for I'd say it's worth it.
Edit: Seems to be only when shipped to Australia that the price remains reasonable. My personal opinion is that if you can find it for under 40 USD its absolutely worth it.
Do you have the link from where you bought it?
@@Rolohaun Sure, www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004754189366.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.5cf41802SsdGyy
Price has since gone up a little, must've gotten it on a mini sale.
@@GreyGuy9 ah ya $84 for me
@@Rolohaun Oh oof, didn't realise the price changed when shipping to different countries, that's rough. Aliexpress Sellers can be a bit cheeky at times.
I was actually considering this as a replacement for my Ender 5 but just as you mention it doesn't really make any sense when you look at other manufacturers. A Revo Cr also bolts directly to an Ender 5 and as an added benefit you also don't need any firmware changes as it has the same thermistor as is used on most Creality printers. I think they missed the target audience with this product, at least have it be a bit cheaper than the competition
Im still using volcanoes for all my printers. The rapido is on my list of upgrades but I see theyre offering volcano style ceramic heaters now so I can just convert these old hotends. Ordered one havent had a chance to try it out yet but it seems like a pretty good option.
I did some work in the advertising business for a couple of years a long long time ago. Copy-writing, ad-design, and I worked with people doing marketing, and the like. On what to call your printers, I'm thinking ROLO-1, 2, 3, etc. "ROLO" embossed in the front somehow, or if you want to tone it down, on a diagonal across one the side panels (maybe tin the middle), would be nice.
some printers might get a name like that
In regards to your comments around the ceramic heater. It looks like they didn't add I in this case as they recently released a ceramic heater spider.
ya I seen there new one
Looks like they've gone a bit backwards with the Spider line. I have one of the older ones and it came with a heater cartridge and it was $40 (new. I got it for $30 open box). The 3 probably has more flow and the mounting options are better than the 2 but they've put it in a price bracket with a lot of great competition. Also the proprietary nozzles are just the icing on the 'no thanks' cake.
Got for 14 dollars... No kidding. Also the nozzles aren't proprietary, they're just copper nickel mk8 nozzles. You can use a normal mk8 nozzle asw.
@@fionoz9586 unless we're talking about different things, the Spider nozzles I have and all of the ones I've seen are significantly longer than standard mk8 nozzles. The thread length is somewhere between mk8 and volcano length.
@@einbit The Spider 3 or Spider pro (I believe are the same thing). it has a red cage around it. the spider 2 has a black cage. The Spider 3 I believe uses standard mk8 nozzles.
Yeah , the nozzle is a no go for me , i have a lots of ed3 , volcano nozzles😊😊😊😊 , but i think this hotend looks pretty good , but its too much expensive , i bougth a Dragonfly Bms , for 35 uss aprox , sooo its very good , anyway the cheap clone Volcano can print very good too😊
Hey Rolo, how are u doing?
Can we scale the Rook MK1? Thanks for the great work!
there are users on the discord that have made taller rooks and larger ones
Thanks for the info.
Hi Dear, Do you have any plans to do a Review for Creality Spider 4.0 Ceramics Hotend? We can provide the sample.
yes sure that would be great, my business e-mail is on my youtube about page
"...not m2.5, not m2..." as I'm at the exact same moment incorparating 2mm holes in my design :D
I never have m2 on hand haha
"Coulda had a V6." ;)
What is your retraction settings and E step on that hot end set up?
I use klipper so I use rotation distance no e steps, retraction was 4mm at 25mm/s I believe
1:21 I bought this to throw in my Voron 0.2 but can’t for the life of me get the adapter off to flush mount it. I’ve tried a 14mm wrench and all I’m doing is scratching it all up. Any advice?
you might need to use some vice grips, sometime they are on they really tight
I can't either, could you help?
It also has a proprietary shaped nozzle. Can the standard nozzle fit and work with this? The cost in the USA is around $70, still steep. I also see lots of reviews on this one, but none that compare the standard Ender style hot end to this. For the price it would have to somehow print much better and not just be able to print at higher temps. Thank you for a nice, honest review.
I believe standard nozzles fit this, they also say higher flow but I did not test that.
The V1 spider used the longer nozzle. The one in this vid and the non high flow middle all take standard mk8 nozzles
It’s a shame that you can’t buy replacement socks
that would be nice
how many times can you say ceramic heater in one video.
Probably more than this
So, while I embrace all things tech as well as innovation, I disagree that everything should be ceramic. Yeah its fast heating but every single one I've owned which is 4 now including a bambu labs hotend, have failed with ADC out of range when the thermisor gets pulled, torn or displaced. One resulted in thermal runaway. I never. EVER have these problems with a standard heater cart and cylindrical style thermistors. They just work and are dirt cheap. Its a much more expensive affair to have CHC backups on hand. I really, really want to love chc hotends but they've all failed me so far.
a shame you have had so many issues, I have never had any my bambu x1 has over 2000 hours on it and I use ceramic on all my printers without issues. not many TL CHC though mostly bambu stuff
What is this printer?
Rook Evo
This is not a review video.
thanks for your opinion
Bad review... Doesn't even turn on the printer! You got to do some tests for a worthy review.
thanks for the input, I didn't feel it was necessary for this hotend, it's bad value, uses a normal heater cartridge nothing to see with it printing