Conspiracy Bill on the Lakers Coaching Job | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the Lakers' head-coaching job.
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I really think the Lakers publicly "low-balled" Hurley to push back on the asks from JJ on salary so they can say to him, "We're not paying you more than we'd pay a back-to-back National Championship coach" while helping out Hurley to get more money at UConn. I don't think they ever planned to get Hurley because I think all parties knew he wasn't leaving. This was a public negotiation with JJ.
Really good theory
Why would they orchestrate themselves being publicly humiliated? Now no matter who they hire they will look like clowns
@@alanfulcher460 cause they never wanted to hire hurley while they had lebron on the team. Something they realized post-interview. They may revisit this topic once they waive bronny after lebron retires so as to remove the possibility of Rob Pelinka and Jeannie Buss guiltripping Hurley into playing Bronny.
@@rabeechowdhury damn man that makes no fucking sense at all lol
@@alanfulcher460 why wouldn't it? Jeannie and Pelinka don't have a backbone. There's no wonder why they're going to waste their first rounder on bronny. They will waive bronny no doubt after lebron retires. Then they can start delving into real talent.
I’ve never seen Woj having breaking news on a team have “talks” with someone.
Why do people in the media insist that the Lakers coaching job is a good job? They seem like a toxic circus of a franchise. There's no stability in coaching the Lakers.
A university that loves you and will keep you for years to come, versus an NBA team that is, at best, 5th in its conference and will fire you for not winning a title. Or even winning a title, if you're Frank Vogel.
I agree with you jbizz80, no one should be surprised by this.
Because media people live on Mars, not in the world that the rest of us do.
The history that franchise has? 70 million dollars? Living in LA, with 70 million dollars? I get you take some heat from the media and you're a scapegoat when it goes wrong, but I doubt Ham wasted one second watching First Take and was happy to get paid out of his contract. And maybe Lakers get better matchups and go on a postseason run next year? Sign a big free agent or make a trade? To act like it's a bad job is what would be ridiculous
70 million, and u get to live in LA. There’s virtually no stability coaching in the NBA at all unless you’re successful, which most aren’t.
Thank you. I'm sick of hearing how everyone's dream job is to be in Los Angeles coaching the Lakers
ryen was right button
oh, I got the left button..wait, what?
@@Shroomdiffnuclear😂
“Conspiracy Bill” sounds a lot like Nick Wright a few days ago 😂😂😂
“Hold on a minute, Brou!” 😂
“The idea….that…”
It was also kind of common sense
@@MateMagyar88 🤣😂😂
Its more than money on Hurley's decision. He is happy at UCONN, he is making good money and the biggest thing? The easy to see history of Lebron and a team, including the Coach. He made the right decision and there is no conspiracy.
Living in LA is only awesome if you’re rich. Otherwise, it’s fucking HORRIBLE
Irrelevant to any discussion pertaining to professional sports.
I’m sure it’s a fine place to visit but I probably wouldn’t want to live there.
Shittt made me laugh
@@emmettkahnert7480it’s relevant bc Bill made it a talking point on why JJ would theoretically want the job in LA
Pretty cool as mid-level income too. Weather is unbelievable in OC.
I'm a Laker fan and I like JJ but I like his podcasts more than I'd like him as the coach. I think he'd hate the job too. He'd start the season with a full head of dark hair and end the season full of grey a few months later. lol.
Monty Willam’s will be available soon
Hurley probably asked the Lakers front office if they were willing to trade LeBron, AD, and role players over 25 to begin a rebuild. The Lakers said no, so Hurley said aight I’mma head out.
Not even 'Trade LeBron', 'am I gonna have to worry about him and Klutch micromanaging every little thing I do and how I coach this team?'. I also wonder if Bronny came up in that chat cause that's a pretty big piece for whoever's next to ponder too. If you thought coaching LeBron is bad, wait until they draft his kid and he goes Choppa Papa out here.
Hurley will coach the Knicks at some point.
Good call
Facts and it’s a better team and opportunity
NYC money is bigger then LA money
Its not an attractive job and he is on the verge of becoming a college ball legend
Back to back champ. He’s already a legend
No serious candidate wants that job when LeBron is going to scapegoat you publicly and get you fired after anywhere from 60-110 games
This
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Did LeBron publicly scapegoat Ham or Vogel? Who broke that story?
@@iang7244 He literally did. Stop talking.
Pretty sure that was dlo and AD throwing Ham under the bus at the end of the season 🤷🏻
So many unexamined assumptions here. In what sense is coaching the Lakers one of the "best jobs in sports?" You can make a stronger case that it's one of the worst, at least in recent years - you'll have a bull's-eye on your ass from the moment you sit in the chair, you'll be blamed for all of the GM's screw ups, and you'll be treated like shit when they inevitably fire you. (To say nothing of other assumptions that all media people seemingly have, like any sane person would kill to live in LA or New York - most sane people would actually rather die than live in either place - and probably the biggest assumption, money is EVERYTHING.)
why is their video in 240p?
It's 144p actually
Because it's a podcast and now one but pedantic weirdos worry about video quality on a podcast.
As a Uconn fan and Celtics fan, I am happy Hurley turned them down.
NOT a conspiracy theory. It was obvious from the last-minute Laker meeting request by Hurley using Woj, that he just wanted a raise form UConn. Raise his profile and get mo money from the small pond that is UConn. 🤷♂
And remind them(uconn) who won the last 2 championships
A lot of "conspiracy theories" are right
As long as Lebron is on the roster, it's a suicide mission.
Lebron made them relevant. Did you forget they were picking top 5 year in and year out before he got there. Couldn’t even get a meeting with KD, lamarcus aldridge clowned their pitch meeting and signed with the spurs. Absolutely dog shit management and Bron still got yall AD and a chip.
@@zurkthajerkgaming And a bleak future.
@@zurkthajerkgaming A chip and contention: LAL made the WCF last year and then ran into DEN again this year or might have made it a round or two further.
@@zurkthajerkgamingWhat does that have to do with the job now? Lebron is playing one or two more years tops. They have no trade capitol, no draft picks, and you'll be the scapegoat if anything goes wrong. It's a shit job.
@@rileyrussell7476average LeBron hater who somehow finds a way to discredit reviving a dead franchise to a championship
Conspiracy bill needs to make a list about worlds most mysterious conspiracies
LeBron on the Lakers was like Tape on a leaky faucet. As Long as He was great and healthy it covered all the ownership and Front Office Problems and incestual Job distribution. Every decision was through a lense of past Lakers success, Not objective at all. He Chose them because of the sunshine and Money, Not because they were well managed. Now Hes too old to Cover Up the shit. Its been Like this for about 15 years now. Jeanie and the buss Family should either sell the team or hire someone outside of the Lakers Family with an objective View. This is embarassing and has been for a decade+ now
Thank you! Magic Johnson should never have been hired. Couldn’t even get a meeting with KD and Lamarcus Aldridge clowned their pitch. Seriously traded subscription for Mike muscala. Picked That over Caruso. Traded kcp and Kuzma for broken Westbrook. 🤢🤮
lebron is part of the shit, how can you cover shit with shit.
@@zurkthajerkgamingI’m hoping you meant fired?
And then Magic did the same thing and caved to the pressure to take Ball when Fox was the better option. It was hyped media narrative.
Hurley is a smart man who saw the writing on the wall that the lakers job is a no win situation. He can’t be his best self and most effective with James on the team who’s notorious for undermining coaches if his ego gets hurt so he can push the blame to them instead of it being obvious that James is the biggest problem on the roster. Will be interesting to see what coach will be brought in to be the sacrificial lamb to appease lebron next. Lakers are destined to be mid at best till they have no choice but to blow it all up, days of being an actual contender are long gone for them.
Any NBA head coaching job nowadays is a crap shoot. You can be a good coach, have a winning record, make the playoffs consistently, and still get fired. If you make it to year 3 it is considered an outlier. Especially with teams allowing their stars to dictate almost everything to them from staff to players to scheme, why take a job like that if money isn’t your driving force.
I think they hit on something important, the Buss family isn't on the richer side when it comes to premier franchise owners, it may be time for the Buss family to sell the team.
All of this should’ve been kept under wraps. Too many loose lips in Klutch & the Lakers Org
Nothing in the nba is a secret. We shouldn’t know udoka cheated with that front office guys wife but we do.
More recent top tier college coaches have passed on the Lakers job. Coach K, Tom Izzo, Dan Hurley. Even with NIL, college coaches can still have more say on personnel and who they recruit versus a salary cap and draft capital limitations.
Hurley simply didn't want to be the next coach fired and thrown under the bus by LeGM.
Ryen Russillostradamus
You know Rusillostradamus predicted all of this
How about he told them he doesn't want to coach le bo bo bo or lebron son because he need some one who would listen to him and not tell him what to do 😂😂
You can win a championship in LA, have the front office make some bad roster moves that no coach could make work, and then get fired two seasons later.
Good job Conspiracy Bill. - from the future
Ryan must not have been to LA in the past 10 years at least. Living in LA is NOT awesome. As someone who has lived in Southern California, my whole life. That’s why more and more are leaving. it’s too expensive. It’s becoming too lawless. The traffic has always been horrific. LA ain’t what it used to be lol
He lives there.
@@frankmaitland1254Well, to each his own then 🤣
The real news here is that Hurley has clearly sent a message to teams with young talent and draft picks that he is willing to coach their team. He has been clear that he is interested in going to the NBA to a team with young talent that he can develop and by this dalliance with the Lakers he is has demonstrated that he is willing to do it next year. Some teams that meet that criteria have good coaches ( OKC, Houston) but let us look at the example of the Nets - East coast team, some young talent, draft picks . There are other east coast teams that can also do be in play next year - Raptors, Magic ( if they stall) , Indiana ( if they disappoint) , Knicks ( it has happened before with Coach T). The big loser is Detroit who gave the ridiculous contract to Monty Williams.
I can't believe JJ is even considering it. His family is happy in Brooklyn. 342 is growing the podcast Buyathon days are over. That chic and her daddy got the last big deal. Unless AMAZON wants to make a crazy offer.
Hurley would’ve signed months ago if it wasn’t for leBum
You guys need to invest in better cameras. The image quality is way below par for a media company like yours.
Monty to the Lakers would be comedy gold 😂
I cant wait 20 years down the road to read the book of Woj vs. Shams its like. Its like the rule of 2 for siths but rule of 1 for top newsbreaker
Lakers have not been a serious franchise since Dr Buss passed.... They messed up the end of Kobe's prime when he probably could have got to 6 or 7 rings if managed properly.... Buss heirs should sell
LET THE JJ RHETORIC TRAIN WRECK BEGIN!
120 for 7 used to buy a Shaq, now it can't even buy a hurley. that's inflation for you
I’ve been a Lakers fan since ‘85…this was a nothing burger. A pure leverage move. And the morons in that front office got played. Again. Rob Pelinker’s only qualification was being Kobe’s lackey. Well he’s dead and so is the idea of legacy. If LeBron didn’t want to be in Los Angeles, we’d be 11 years in to the post Dr Jerry Buss abyss. This team is sunk.
A refreshingly objective take. The Buss kids have been mismanaging this team for decades and Lebron saved them. The ungratefulness I see from this the fan base is astonishing. Less we forget KD wouldn’t even take a meeting and Lamarcus Aldridge laughed at the pitch meeting as he went in to sign with the Spurs. They really let magic johnson and rob Pelinka lose zubac, Caruso and kcp for nothing. Got played by kawahi and wouldn’t pay Ty lue and been hiring scrap heap coaches since.
Pelinka is a better executive than you're saying.
Tbf RP out together one of the better rosters 1-10 , grade A trades as far as I'm concerned & good free agents on the cheap
Really is scary as a Lakers fan to think where we'd be as a franchise if Lebron didn't want to come here
This last minute bid to get a meeting with the Lakers was a scheme to get a raise at UConn. He used Woj, The lakers and the media and it worked.
JJ and le bo bo bo will mash up Lakers origination people watch and see 😂
JJ would be crazy to take that job.
Update. JJ got Lakers job and Hurley got extension. Great job conspiracy Bill!
If the Celtics want to keep the Laker x Celtics rivalry alive & well, they should offer Hurley a number he can't pass on. Can you imagine Hurley in Boston?!
The Lakers coaching decision was only brought up so they can be talked about while the Celtics are in the finals. While the Celtics were running on the court - they were talking about a play-in team.
Conspiracy Bill was just kinda logical Bill on this one. It's pretty clear that's what happened. Maybe the Lakers actually wanted Hurley, but not enough to make him a Ty Lue type offer.
Yeah it was a little underwhelming lol
@@discobassgroove Definitely not his most creative effort.
He rather be a Knicks coach, and I do not blame him.
Dollar Tree, wanna Be Lakers
What a wild time it is where someone would want to coach the Knicks instead of the Lakers.
The Knicks have been a joke for the last 25 years with the exception of like the last two or three
It would be better to coach there right now, because the lame-duck Lakers cannot make any moves until LeBron leaves. I do not see any scenario next season where the Lakers are better than OKC, Den, MN, or Dallas.
@jamesmiller5331 who cares about the last 25 years? Hurley is a god out here (Tri-State Area) Knicks would be a perfect spot for him.
JJ Redick should have to pay people to listen to the nonsense garbage he spews
Look at what happened to Darvin Ham. Would you sign up for that next?
No one wants to take the blame for the next 2 years while balancing LeBron's aging years, drafting Bronny who shouldn't even be in the NBA, a C plus student in Anthony Davis and the media circus that is the Buss family the LA.
No friggin' thank you.
Good take fellas 👍🏾
Conspiracy theorist in me thought this Hurley thing was ultimately to make it easier for them to go hire Redick after Hurley says no. They weren't offering so much more that Hurley would turn away from his cushy job at UConn where he's the boss. And now Lakers can say they tried to give it to an experienced coach and he turned them down so they are left with no choice but give it to Redick. It kinda tones down initial questions from that weird LeBron-Redick podcast dynamic.
is just hard for me to take the NBA seiously when JJ redick is considered for anything more than a ball boy
I think were going to have to agree to disagree on the living in LA thing lol, especially since Dan is also an East coast guy. That being said, I do think it was the way Darvin Ham was treated and the blame and lack of respect. I think it's too much of a circus there with the players having too much of a say.
And JJ is an East coast guy, raised in Virginia and then to Duke. He played 4-5 years in LA and could probably afford to live wherever he wants and he settled in Brooklyn.
It was 70 for 6 and that's really only like 35 which is under 6 per year
He's taking home $3m after taxes in Connecticut. Just said no to an extra $16m. The Lakers offer was almost double what he's making now.
@@mjwbulich no, it wasn't. Of that 70 it would have been maybe 35 after taxes. He signed for 32 at UConn which after taxes is still more than 4 per year
Lebron and AD will scapegoat whoever the next coach is and have him fired after one season with the Lakers lol. Rinse and repeat.
Woj reported that JJ was never formally brought in for an interview, as the other candidates were. Pelinka and JJ had a conversation at an event awhile back. That’s it. The reports he was the front runner were B.S according to Woj.
Shit! Conspiracy Bill is half right! We'll see if the JJ part is right
Mavs in 7.. kyrie will show up at home and turn this into a 3 game series after game 4… I’m taking Luka in a game 7
🤞🏽 David Adelman 🏆
I think Hurley just now returned the Lakers call. Wanted to see if the Lakers would make an offer and did.
AKA Who Wants To Be The Last Coach LBJ Gets Fired?
AKA The Lakers Are The Worst Job People Refuse To Say Is What It Is.
20 years apart, the Lakers have taken big swings at the best coach in the college game. With Coach K, he was having the chance to coach Kobe just off a 4th straight Finals appearance. Coach K opted to stay put. The Lakers went ONE SEASON without Phil, missed the playoffs and got Phil back.
Since Phil left, they've run through SEVEN HCs. This is the 4th different person they've had to hire since they signed LeBron. When you've had to burn through 4 different HCs and you just missed on the best coach in the college game who you ridiculously tried to low ball...
(Seriously Lakers? Your best offer to get Dan to leave a two time reigning and defending National Champion to coach a coach killer playing out his back nine and possibly his kid is THAT??? In a lot of ways, the media is to blame for making that Laker job seem like something it's not and will not be for quite some time.)
What is clear and I'm not sure Lakers brass has this in them is just being real about what this is. Right now it's getting through the end of LeBron however long this goes and then the real work begins. Cause the hard reality here is that they can't expect AD to be the #1 option on the floor, but it's LBJ giving his final say on who gets hired. You're not publicly telling folks he's not involved if we don't have good reason to believe he's involved with these decisions.
Weirdly enough, I think the Pels were smart to kick that pick to the Lakers and wait. Cause you just know they're going to mess this up and in a tougher West next season, that pick may end up in the lottery. (Presuming there's no protection on that thing.) If I'm JJ, I turn that offer down. You can do much better for your first gig than wondering which of your assistants LeBron's going to replace you with a year from now. Once LeBron retires, Pelinka's really gonna have to do his job to figure out how to mitigate this thing from cratering completely cause the roster's going to be in supremely sad shape.
Apparently nobody listens to the Ric Bucher podcast. He laid out everything involved in this Lakers hiring in his last podcast.
Wtf is JJ to demand to get paid? Hell, making Hurley the second paid highest coach in the NBA was crazy as hell.
I feel like JJ would do it even if he has a Steve Nash style coaching career, just to add Head Coach to his resume (which is not nothing)
I'd be curious if the Lakers gave Hurley a real offer if he'd say yes. 70M for 6 years is not nearly enough to get him to move because I'm sure he can get close to that from UCONN.
Imagine if they offered 90M for 6, now _that'd_ be interesting.
conspiracy Bill is best Bill
Why would JJ go straight to head coach? Shouldn't he do some type of assistant role first, seems like a bad move.
Hopefully it comes out that he didn’t want to coach a team with LeBron
Plz help me? When did JJ become Phil Jackson? What did I miss?
The Lakers are a weird reflection of California.
CA has weather, coastline-beaches, natural and commercial attractions, but the state is broke and can't keep the roads and infrastructure from crumbling.
The Lakers have the name, the history, the caché, but the Buss' are modern ownership-poor and can't/won't spend on a real coach. Even the damn Chargers spent on Harbaugh, but the Lakers can't hire a big-time coach like CA can't fix the roads.
Bill would know better than most how much money JJ earns from Podcasting and broadcasting. I think it's at Least as much as he'd make as a Lakers coach.
Coaching is 24/7, 365 days a year and JJ has young kids that he claimed were the reason he retired. I didn't think he would take the Lakers job.
That conspiracy Bill take is the stupidest conspiracy ever. Noone is doing that shit over JJ Redick.
I’m laughing at the lakers and lebron lol
That’s not enough money to live large or even upper class in Los Angeles.
If you want to coach the Lakers job is currently the worst for a first timer. Ham's reputation is damaged and he'll need to work his way back. No way next year's Lakers are as healthy or successful next season than last
As others have said : The Lakers are only hiring a new coach as a "scapegoat", and almost anyone interviewing for that job knows it. But did the Lakers also seriously lie about the contract offer to Dan Hurley? Everyone was saying $120 million, over 7 years, but now it is reportedly $10 million a year - over 40 % different there. As for JJ Redick, the very fact he has not been announced as Lakers coach says they offered him an offensively low salary. I mean does Lakers management not know he played in the league recently, so he knows what a good salary should be. I mean, do Lakers management even know JJ has a podcast with LeBron? The Buss family are cheaping out, just as their player salaries are going through the roof! Don't expect real butter on your popcorn next season Laker fans.
'(; lol
Why would anyone want to leave a great college coaching job for the NBA?
Less work and no NIL/transfer portal + more $.
All the college coached seem miserable now with NIL and the portal plus the future of non football schools might be bleak but UConn is still in a great position
Conspiracy bill's take seems like the most plausible scenario
It doesn't sound crazy at all. It sounds exactly like what Nick Wright said last week though.
They should check whether Amanda Waller is available lol
I can tell you what happened the Lakers are THAT desperate for media attention I mean the day of game 1 of the NBA finals ... Seriously
I wouldn't want to be lebrons scapegoat either.
I dont think its the money. JJ knows what he can get as a new coach with no track record apart from coaching his 10 yo son's team.
I think the Lakers changed their mind in the end or it had to do with agreements around his media presence while he is a head coach.
Single guy with no kids passing judgement on a big family guy. I listen to everything Ryen until he does life coaching for zoomers.
This. He great at Basketball breakdowns. For things outside of this, he fails.
Ryen Russego
"Single guy with no kids" is the perfect guy to give advice to zoomers. TF have u been? Zoomers don't want to have kids.
@@iamnotyourbuddyGUY I like how he brings in world history to his analysis (he's well read). West Coasters (Eisen and Gottlieb - I get they were both NYC) misjudged Hurley. Personally, I can't stand CA, and those that seem to like it are loaded, like these 2. But you aren't living in a real world, if you live like them. Ryen was probably more in touch, when was eating Subway off a upside down milk crate on Long Island and watching a Happy Gilmore VHS for the 25th time. That guy probably was better at life coaching. I credit Bill for keeping grounded, when he is essentially a celebrity media executive. He still hangs with his boys during the Rewatchables, which are addictive.
@@Random-Stranger I have zoomer kids. They want kids, but the can't afford them or a house. Zoomers have issues, but I sympathize with things like this.
He was offered 70M and not 120.
A quick Google search showed the Lakers worth just under $6B...and you can't pay more than what Detroit pays their coach?
I think Conspiracy Bill is right.
THE BOTTOM line is UCONN is a better job than the lakers dumpster 🔥
If you go through 2012 until now... Lakers have been really disfunctionning. Not news. The bubble just erased that shit of our minds
clairvoyant bill!
Montey William and the fifth pick to the Lakers. Do it.
Where the hell did he get $100 mil for seven years?
Actual offer was 6 years/70m
@@goseeaboutagirl umm, yeah
Coaching lebron is like dating a kardashian.Ain’t Gonna last long.
Definitely not worth the trouble, best days behind them
But they'll always put you on the map no matter your past, just like Lebron will always win you a ring (has won a ring for every franchise he's signed to)
@@Rohan_Lhe's 40 and the team sucks. The good old days are over. LeBron is in his "MJ in Washington" phase
@@alanfulcher460 Look at Lebrons numbers and tell me he's in his "MJ in Washington" phase. He just averaged 25, 8 and 7 on 54% FG, 40% 3P percentage as a 40 year old. Meanwhile in MJ in Washington dropped 20PPG on 40% FG and 20% from 3 for an irrelevant team. Lebrons still a top 10 player in a more talented league at age of 40 compared to MJ with the wizards lmao
@@Rohan_L those are impressive number but they're empty stats on a dog ass team that has no chance of beating anybody. Same as it was with MJ
Bill was right and it didn’t even take 24 hours to come true.
Red Aurebach is coming from the geave to coach LA
Is Ryen in a park or something?
Luke Murray assistant head coach UCONN. Check his resume!!!! Actor Bill Murrays son.
The LA lakers coaching job is not an attractive job like it used to be in the past. Too much pressure
Wait, I thought Lebron was already the coach/ GM.
LA is a great place to use as leverage. The actual HC job is a terrible job.